Re: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-02 Thread Michael Herger

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That would be the most important improvement for me :-)

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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-02 Thread deadkenny

I can very highly recommend the Home Theater Master MX-500 univeral
remote as a substitute. Only got my SB3 yesterday and the first thing I
did was to teach the MX-500 the SB remote and I'll pack the SB remote
away.


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RE: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-02 Thread Iain Shaw


I know Mark, I apologise for that.  That was rude.

I think the rest of it was fair.

Ironically, I actually like the Slim remote.  Does the job, snappy
enough, feels OK.  I'm stil using my SliMP3s and I love them to bits.

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Iain Shaw Wrote: 
 counterpoint to the Sonos remote - in your dreams.

You're right, it does look like flame bait.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-02 Thread Mark Lanctot

Iain Shaw Wrote: 
 I know Mark, I apologise for that.  That was rude.

Apology accepted.

 I think the rest of it was fair.

I tend to agree, that's what I have heard regarding Sonos.  I still
like Slim's price structure, philosophy, quick introduction of new
features and sound quality.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread tomsi42

Seineseeker Wrote: 
 I love my squeezebox, but really the little remote is one piece of cheap
 kit. The plastic coating on it got all scuffed in a couple of days for a
 start. I hope that transporter thing comes with a decent one for the
 price.

Probably a stupid question, but have you remembered to remove the
plastic protective film...


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jonheal

tomsi42 Wrote: 
 Probably a stupid question, but have you remembered to remove the
 plastic protective film...
It is a bit crappy, in my opinion. If you remove the plastic film on
the black one, eventually, your fingers will dull the glossy finish
around the buttons.

I'm hoping the Transporter remote is of higher quality and that it
works with the SB.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jonheal

Craig, James (IT) Wrote: 
 I have to defend the remote...
 It's great and the only one of mine that ever comes out of the cabinet
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 I use it frequently enough to not want to use my Pronto instead!
 
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Just because it's useful does not negate the facts that it is flimsy
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RE: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Craig, James (IT)
 Just because it's useful does not negate the facts that it is flimsy
and damage-prone.

It is? I've had mine for over 2 years and it's neither broken or worn!

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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread fathom39

Seineseeker Wrote: 
 but really the little remote is one piece of cheap kit.

I'll take your crappy one any day over my lost one!


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread fairyliquidizer

tomsi42 Wrote: 
 Probably a stupid question, but have you remembered to remove the
 plastic protective film...

*cough* I must admit I had my plastic film on for about a month until I
pealed it back and thought that looks better :-D


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Seineseeker

I cant get the plastic film off. I'm going to have another go.

Its still going to be a bit lightweight and crappy tho!


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jonheal

fathom39 Wrote: 
 I'll take your crappy one any day over my lost one!
You can buy a replacement:

https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Seineseeker

Wow I got the plastic film off and what an amazing high tech,
incredibly cool remote. OK not really. Its an improvement, I now have a
shiny, lightweight crappy remote.

Good job the SB makes up for it!


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jonheal

Craig, James (IT) Wrote: 
  Just because it's useful does not negate the facts that it is flimsy
 and damage-prone.
 
 It is? I've had mine for over 2 years and it's neither broken or worn!
 
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RE: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Craig, James (IT)
Yes, it's all this typing that does it.

But seriously does anyone think that the new transporter remote is going
to be an improvement - in shape at least?
It looks rather like a brick to me, and therefore I can't imagine it
being nicer to hold in the hand than the current one.

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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread shabbs

I've still got my original SB1 remote and it's neither damaged nor worn
and has seen consistent use. It has survived a move too. I too was of
the impression that the remote was flimsy and looked cheap, but at the
end of the day, it gets the job done just fine. I'd rather SD keep the
cost of the SB low by supplying a minimal remote and focusing efforts
on the SB internals. Also, the SB can be easily controlled via a
Universal remote. I now have a Harmony 880 that I use to control my SB
and barely touch the original remote, unless it's closer to me than the
Harmony. ;) Heh heh.

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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Mark Lanctot

shabbs Wrote: 
 I'd rather SD keep the cost of the SB low by supplying a minimal remote
 and focusing efforts on the SB internals.

I agree.

It's the SB internals I can't do anything about.  The remote I can
always do something about - replacing it with a universal remote, for
example, which I've done (my Marantz RC1400 that came with my receiver
handles it just fine).

Some have suggested that SB offer upgraded remotes as an optional
accessory.  I'm all for this, if you want/need an upgraded remote, pay
for it.

Offer SD-customized Nokia 770s, for instance.  That would give a nice
counterpoint to the Sonos remote, and it can be used for general web
browsing and as a PDA too.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jtfields

I don't understand everyone's complaints about the remote.  It's not
that much worse than most of the remotes I've gotten with any other
$300 piece of audio equipment.  It is kind of lightweight but I haven't
seen many posts complaining that theirs broke in anyway.  The button
layout isn't half bad (I've seen a lot of remotes with just a bunch of
square buttons evenly distributed across the remote where it takes
forever to find the button you want.)

I guess I'm just curious to know what kind of remote you think a piece
of equipment at this price point should come with.  Some examples would
be nice.

Now I would agree that the transporter remote should be nicer and
apparently it is (backlit.)  It's not the nicest looking remote but
often it seems that the more expensive something gets in the audio
world the more of a minimalist approach the design seems to take on.


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Re: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread dean blackketter


On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:25 AM, jonheal wrote:

Just because it's useful does not negate the facts that it is flimsy
and damage-prone.


I'll agree that it's not the most attractive remote in the world, but  
despite years of abuse, I haven't seen one of the remotes break.


The new remote that comes with Transporter has some improvements  
including:


- More attractive
- More solid feel
- Backlighting
- Browse button
- AA batteries for longer life

We'll be offering these new remotes for sale as an accessory on our  
web site as soon as they come in.  I'll post here when that happens.


Further down the road I expect some of these improvements to trickle  
down to an upgraded remote for Squeezebox.


-dean

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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread fathom39

jonheal Wrote: 
 You can buy a replacement:
 
 https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi

Oh, I know.  But I was hoping to save $19 if Seineseeker would agree to
flush his my way for the cost of shipping :-)


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Seineseeker

fathom39 Wrote: 
 Oh, I know.  But I was hoping to save $19 if Seineseeker would agree to
 flush his my way for the cost of shipping :-)

I'm learning to love it ;)


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RE: [slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Iain Shaw
I'm a long time fan of Slim - owning SliMP3 x 3 and a couple of
squeezeboxes.  I stopped posting here after I got a cr**py response from
a long -standing list stalwart suggesting that I shouldn't post negative
posts for fear of upsetting the developers.  Thanks Jack, it really
helped that.  Shut me up anyway.

I've lurked ever since.

But I can no longer keep quiet.  Slim stuff is cool, Slim stuff sounds
great and Slim stuff doesn't compete with Sonos.

A Nokia 770 is a really nice bit of kit and it's really clever that you
can control Slim with it...and I've got a 770 and I really like it.  But
the Sonos controller is an awesome way to control music on a Sonos
system and the two things do not compare.  The 770 can control your
windows and your sprinklers and that's really clever.  The Sonos
Controller can't because all it does is do a really good job, as in a
better job, of controlling music on the system that it was built for.

counterpoint to the Sonos remote - in your dreams.

I'll buy a couple of Transporters because I want one for our Showroom
and I've got a client who is going to love it but I can't get too
sentimental about this product.  It's still too geeky to put into most
of my customers.  I sell a load of Sonos and I get NO service requests
on them.  Like NEVER.

I've just reread this and I know it read like flamebait but it wan't
meant to be.  It's a great product, I really like it.  Multiroom audio
is both a passion for me and something that pays the mortgage.  The Slim
product and the SlimServer software is not ready to be included in our
range of customer offerings.

Kudos to Sean and Dean and the team for the Transporter.  Can't wait for
mine 



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shabbs Wrote: 
 I'd rather SD keep the cost of the SB low by supplying a minimal
remote
 and focusing efforts on the SB internals.

I agree.

It's the SB internals I can't do anything about.  The remote I can
always do something about - replacing it with a universal remote, for
example, which I've done (my Marantz RC1400 that came with my receiver
handles it just fine).

Some have suggested that SB offer upgraded remotes as an optional
accessory.  I'm all for this, if you want/need an upgraded remote, pay
for it.

Offer SD-customized Nokia 770s, for instance.  That would give a nice
counterpoint to the Sonos remote, and it can be used for general web
browsing and as a PDA too.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Mark Lanctot

Iain Shaw Wrote: 
 counterpoint to the Sonos remote - in your dreams.

You're right, it does look like flame bait.


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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread Kyle

Mark Lanctot Wrote: 
 You're right, it does look like flame bait.

I think the poster is spot on vis-a-vis the Sonos remote.  It looks
like a fine piece of equipment.  I wish it worked with a Squeezebox. 
Part of the amazing success of the Ipod is its system of accessing
songs.  I would like to think Slim Devices is paying attention.  I also
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[slim] Re: The remote is crap!

2006-08-01 Thread jtfields

Iain Shaw Wrote: 
 and I've got a client who is going to love it but I can't get too
 sentimental about this product.  It's still too geeky to put into most
 of my customers.  I sell a load of Sonos and I get NO service requests
 on them.  Like NEVER

It seems to me the SB is only as geeky as you want to make it.  I'm no
techno wiz and I found it to be pretty much plug and play.  Set up and
use is pretty simple if all you want to do is point it to a music
collection (one that is natively supported), browse and listen.  My
wife can't turn on a computer and she has no problems with the SB.

That said, I would be lying if I said I didn't think it would be cool
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