Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
garym wrote: > yes, Sonos has 65,000 limit (and could be even lower depending on the > number/length of tags). There are also some issues with album art over > a certain size. I bought a SONOS just to see what I thought (and as a > backup for easily streaming internet radio, siriusXM, etc. should > mysb.com disappear. Sonos is perfectly fine. But after using > Squeezeboxes and LMS all these years, it is amazing how "basic" it is in > terms of options regarding managing your music library. I've not used it > much with my music library (mine is too big > 80k). I just added a small > library to play with it. Sonos dealing with music library leaves a lot > to be desired if used to LMS. The discussion on this forum about ways > to search for music (album artist vs artist vs track artist, tags with > multiple fields, etc. etc.) would be quite funny at SONOS forums, as the > SONOS tag handling is very, very basic. Probably seems fine if one was > never used to anything else. And there's no way to backup or save > playlists. They reside on the SONOS players themselves and if one ever > does a factory reset, they are lost with no option for "downloading" the > playlists. > > Another odd thing to me, is that I use my BOOM and Radios as bedside > radios. Nothing in the SONOS line is equivalent. Every player requires > the use of a separate controller (e.g., smart phone with app). There is > nothing with physical controls or a screen that reports info. When I > wake at 5:00am and want to turn on internet radio via my bedside BOOM to > play via headphones (to not wake my wife), I simply push a button and > get to the station I want. With a SONOS, I'd have to have my smart phone > by the bed, pick it up, turn it on (and the light would likely bother my > wife), then control things via the smart phone. > > p.s. Don't take these remarks as knocking SONOS. Seems fine for doing > what it does. And it appears that many of the forum regulars come from > the point of view that most users now and in the future only care about > streaming music from services rather than their own libraries. (They're > probably right of course; but for old school guys like me, I want my OWN > music library). > > From reading the forums there a couple of months, it seems that it is > similar to Squeezeboxes. If they work in one's local network, it just > works. If it doesn't, there are all sorts of issues (routers, switches, > network storms created by mulitple wired SONOS devices (an odd problem > caused by the interaction of SonosNet with LAN that doesn't affect > squeezeboxes). And users have the same sort of complaints about SPOTIFY > options in SONOS not being as good as the native, web spotify app, > certain services being down too much (spotify), lack of access to other > services due to lack of cooperation with SONOS, etc. That is, the same > sort of things we squeezebox users complain about. > > And overall, I say that most problems people report at the Sonos forums > are really related to modem/router/LAN issues (and not Sonos), just like > most problems people report with Squeezeboxes over the years have been > related to modem/router/LAN issues! Excellent post, thanks. kidstypike 1x SB3 - 1x Boom - 1x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2x Touch - 1x piCorePlayer kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
norderney wrote: > jfalk I was interested to read your experience with Sonos. I'm currently > still using my Transporter and probably will continue using it until it > fails. But you never know when that might happen. > I have 55,000 tracks in my music database and that grows month by month > due to my addiction to buying CDs!!! > > Does Sonos still have a restriction on the maximum size of the music > database? I think it used to be 60,000 tracks? > Does it allow you to search on track artist, album artist and composer? > One Of the Plugins I would really miss would be TrackStat. > I have also been looking at NAIM and Cyrus streamers but they are quite > expensive - although the Cyrus Stream X2 is at the same price as I paid > for my Transporter. yes, Sonos has 65,000 limit (and could be even lower depending on the number/length of tags). There are also some issues with album art over a certain size. I bought a SONOS just to see what I thought (and as a backup for easily streaming internet radio, siriusXM, etc. should mysb.com disappear. Sonos is perfectly fine. But after using Squeezeboxes and LMS all these years, it is amazing how "basic" it is in terms of options regarding managing your music library. I've not used it much with my music library (mine is too big > 80k). I just added a small library to play with it. Sonos dealing with music library leaves a lot to be desired if used to LMS. The discussion on this forum about ways to search for music (album artist vs artist vs track artist, tags with multiple fields, etc. etc.) would be quite funny at SONOS forums, as the SONOS tag handling is very, very basic. Probably seems fine if one was never used to anything else. And there's no way to backup or save playlists. They reside on the SONOS players themselves and if one ever does a factory reset, they are lost with no option for "downloading" the playlists. Another odd thing to me, is that I use my BOOM and Radios as bedside radios. Nothing in the SONOS line is equivalent. Every player requires the use of a separate controller (e.g., smart phone with app). There is nothing with physical controls or a screen that reports info. When I wake at 5:00am and want to turn on internet radio via my bedside BOOM to play via headphones (to not wake my wife), I simply push a button and get to the station I want. With a SONOS, I'd have to have my smart phone by the bed, pick it up, turn it on (and the light would likely bother my wife), then control things via the smart phone. p.s. Don't take these remarks as knocking SONOS. Seems fine for doing what it does. And it appears that many of the forum regulars come from the point of view that most users now and in the future only care about streaming music from services rather than their own libraries. (They're probably right of course; but for old school guys like me, I want my OWN music library). >From reading the forums there a couple of months, it seems that it is similar to Squeezeboxes. If they work in one's local network, it just works. If it doesn't, there are all sorts of issues (routers, switches, network storms created by mulitple wired SONOS devices (an odd problem caused by the interaction of SonosNet with LAN that doesn't affect squeezeboxes). And users have the same sort of complaints about SPOTIFY options in SONOS not being as good as the native, web spotify app, certain services being down too much (spotify), lack of access to other services due to lack of cooperation with SONOS, etc. That is, the same sort of things we squeezebox users complain about. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.8 > Squeezelite *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S & iPad2 (iPeng7 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
jfalk I was interested to read your experience with Sonos. I'm currently still using my Transporter and probably will continue using it until it fails. But you never know when that might happen. I have 55,000 tracks in my music database and that grows month by month due to my addiction to buying CDs!!! Does Sonos still have a restriction on the maximum size of the music database? I think it used to be 60,000 tracks? Does it allow you to search on track artist, album artist and composer? One Of the Plugins I would really miss would be TrackStat. I have also been looking at NAIM and Cyrus streamers but they are quite expensive - although the Cyrus Stream X2 is at the same price as I paid for my Transporter. Transporter (Black) > Cyrus 8XPd QX > B&W CDM1NT Speakers CD/HDD Recorder: Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 http://www.last.fm/user/norderney1962 norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
audiomuze wrote: > ^^^ yawn. Ahh, not that much fun then. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Classic-SB3-/111428146976?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item19f1a29720 trautigan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17162 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
^^^ yawn. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
Just unplugged my Squeezeboxes & will be putting them on eBay at the end of the month, been listening to music without them for a month and, to be frank, it's been liberating. I've gone down a mixed route - Apple Airplay/Bluetooth/Cambridge Minx/Chemical Minirig Speaker (a wonderful rugged little device)...there are some great apps out there for syncing (Airfoil) and queue playing. So thanks to everyone on this forum for support, fixes and info - I know I was a pain from time to time, mainly due to frustration with being reliant on the time priorities of a developer. With my current setup I'm not reliant in a similar way, I use Apple Cloud but still have all the music on HD, backed up too. Of course there will be bugs but I have alternatives now. Big #fail to Logitech Corp. who could have owned this space & done a better job than Sonos if they'd made some bold design decisions and made some decent investments a few years ago... trautigan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17162 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
audiomuze wrote: > What makes you think sync is an issue when using squeezelite? Other folks stating they were having issues at the time. Keep in mind that I posted that over a month ago. I've seen quite a few statements since then of people having better experiences with sync. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
GeeJay wrote: > Actually, if I didn't have to worry about sync, then I wouldn't even buy > another dedicated streamer, at least for awhile. I'd try out one of the > software or DIY solutions that so many people on this board are > experimenting with these days.What makes you think sync is an issue when > using squeezelite? SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
Not that anybody asked, but I thought I'd give my one month experience with Sonos. I have to say, other than the loss of a public display, it's been great. Almost completely seamless.. The bundling with 6 months free of Google Play Music has been a revelation as well -- now my 12,000 tracks also live in the Cloud and are all available anywhere (at 320kbps, true, but that's not bad; of course telling Google every track I own would be problematic for some, I recognize) What was constantly fiddling with parameters and upgrades has become a very polished experience. The sad part, of course, is that Logitech could have done all this as well... but they chose not to. I also switched last month from Blackberry to Android (more Google intrusiveness!) and the parallels are clear, with the difference that Blackberry seemed to be trying... jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
If I wasn't worried about syncing players, which is one of my have-to-haves, I would really look hard at some of the other alternatives to Sonos. Actually, if I didn't have to worry about sync, then I wouldn't even buy another dedicated streamer, at least for awhile. I'd try out one of the software or DIY solutions that so many people on this board are experimenting with these days. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
Sorry to hear that. Sonos will never be the answer for me; hope it works out for you. I know others that gave it a shot and regretted it. And it's why I've got several backup Squeezeboxen to make sure I don't have to be concerned, at least for a while. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 -> Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 -> Cambridge Audio DacMagic -> NAD C160 -> 2 x NAD C272 -> Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
I intend to use the Squeezebox system for several more years, since my SB2 went wrong I haven't owned an actual Logitech device, there's plenty of alternatives but I guess it depends which features of LMS you use as to whether Sonos is a suitable replacement. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] So Long -- It's been Fun
So my SB Classic display went dark two days ago. Went to the store today and bought a Sonos Bridge and Connect. Seems to work, though I'll miss the hardware display. I loved the SB and this community, but Logitech wouldn't play along. Thanks to all who helped me since August 2006, when I got my SB. I guess 8 years is all you're supposed to expect a piece of gear to work nowadays jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101683 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
