Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Thats just LMS transcoding 320kbps Ogg Vorbis to PCM for your > particular player. Not High Res at all Im afraid > Note the smiley :-D ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.2.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Touch-> NAD D7050 -> KEF LS50 + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pablolie wrote: > 36883 > > My LMS shows high rez with Spotty, too... :-D Thats just LMS transcoding 320kbps Ogg Vorbis to PCM for your particular player. Not High Res at all Im afraid Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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36883 My LMS shows high rez with Spotty, too... :-D +---+ |Filename: slim spotify.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36883| +---+ ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.2.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Touch-> NAD D7050 -> KEF LS50 + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > Once it's really available. Right now we have nothing but the > announcement of a plan. And now we have a new status for Spotify HiFi of "Under Consideration": "... we dont have timing details to share yet." https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/All-Platforms-Music-HiFi-Quality-Lossless-Streaming-16bit-44/idc-p/5324421#M238504 Michael "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!" (LMS: Settings/Information) mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > I see. It wasn't April 1st was it? [emoji1787]. I wonder why Spotify > would stream PCM rather than FLAC. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Haha! Maybe it was. Looks like the post is two weeks late in that case. SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > This is from a Facebook group. You need to be a member I think. > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/846387368736533/permalink/5351118688263356/ > > 34194I see. It wasn't April 1st was it? [emoji1787]. I wonder why Spotify would stream PCM rather than FLAC. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Thanks. Interesting thread (Google translate worked perfectly [emoji3]). > The only evidence there appears to be that someone downloaded some files > from Spotify and Qobuz etc and they appeared to be the same. Nobody > actually saw the information on their DAC as far as I can tell. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk This is from a Facebook group. You need to be a member I think. https://www.facebook.com/groups/846387368736533/permalink/5351118688263356/ 34194 +---+ |Filename: 172723779_1843571699125420_2364705636668594366_n.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34194| +---+ SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > https://www.faktiskt.io/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9=71930Thanks. Interesting > thread (Google translate worked perfectly [emoji3]). The only evidence there appears to be that someone downloaded some files from Spotify and Qobuz etc and they appeared to be the same. Nobody actually saw the information on their DAC as far as I can tell. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Do you have a link to the thread? I can try Google translate [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk https://www.faktiskt.io/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9=71930 SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > It shows in the Dac display. Some say it sound better, some have > captured the stream and compared it with Tidal and so on.Do you have a link > to the thread? I can try Google translate [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Maybe Spotify are testing lossless streaming in Sweden. Don't the > discussions say how they know the bitrate? > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk It shows in the Dac display. Some say it sound better, some have captured the stream and compared it with Tidal and so on. SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > Dont know. Its a discussion about it on two different swedish hifi > forums right now. > > > Skickat från min iPhone med TapatalkMaybe Spotify are testing lossless > streaming in Sweden. Don't the discussions say how they know the bitrate? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Ah OK. Which DACs display bitrate then? Most just display sample rate. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Dont know. Its a discussion about it on two different swedish hifi forums right now. Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > Yes, but this is from people that dont use LMS. > > > Skickat från min iPhone med TapatalkAh OK. Which DACs display bitrate then? > Most just display sample rate. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Spotify tracks are transcoded to PCM or FLAC by LMS. Yours must be set > to PCM. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Yes, but this is from people that dont use LMS. Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bernt wrote: > I've seen people reporting that they get 1411 kbps in there DAC:s then > streaming from Spotify (Connect?). > > Anyone else noticing it?Spotify tracks are transcoded to PCM or FLAC by LMS. > Yours must be set to PCM. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I've seen people reporting that they get 1411 kbps in there DAC:s then streaming from Spotify (Connect?). Anyone else noticing it? SB Touch optical to Hegel H90, Speakers Larsen 4.2 Spare SB3 AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro A10 Squeezelite-x connected to home LMS with ZeroTier One. SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pablolie wrote: > Amen, btw. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with > everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant > past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors > of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things > transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known > problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I > could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But > getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs > the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not > reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier > and easier, not unexpectedly. > > I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when > that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I > hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer > 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and > would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. Amen, btw. ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philippe_44 wrote: > I > Again, everybody is perfectly entitled to have fun building or buying > complex and expensive gears. But itÂs about aesthetic and hobbies, what > is incorrect is to claim it is better from a signal theoryÂs point if > view. Perfectly put. The valid analogy is not a 360x240 computer screen (ewww!) but the pixel wars that went on in digital photography for a long time, and which -among many things- contributed to the demise of digital compact cameras by forcing silly upgrade cycles based on a 64mp or more sensor when the fact was the lens didn't provide anywhere near that resolution. Silly marketing. It kind of has started again with some smartphones, but that because of available CPU power and big data algorithms to *mask* the limitations of the original picture... while in audio, with 16/44 there is nothing to mask, an it's actually overkill unless the best recording equipment and know-how was applied to begin with.Now that digital cameras -even full frame- have to compete with smartphones, the megapixel was died and instead the focus is on stuff like dynamic range etc -the stuff that matters. Camera makers know even us ambitioned consumers don't really need more than 12-24mp - you can make a billboard with that, really. Pushing beyond that is cumbersome - just makes it take more time to copy and edit and process with - kinda like 24/192 or beyond audio.The key is to keep real balance between technology capabilities as a source to destination delivery mechanism. Someone mentioned a Ferrari vs a Prius... the relevant question in that scenario is whether you care if your Amazon order is delivered by either. Maybe some prefer the "Ferrari delivery" that in the end is completely irrelevant to the outcome... Disclaimer: I *do* own some 24/192 albums, but I most certainly don't fool myself I can hear the difference, and couldn't and wouldn't care to even with a million dollar music system. At the height of my audiophile powers, I owned a system that was prolly around $80k. It sounded glorious in that room. But honestly, my current system is more "true" and accurate and gives me 200% audio satisfaction at a fraction of that cost. When I really want to obsess I use headphones anyhow (mandatory if you want to truly reliably hear a difference between 320k and CD, but pick your tracks well and use something like a Shure SE535 - strictly neutral stuff). ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true? I can ensure you that 44.1 is enough to mathematically perfectly cover 20kHz on BW which is above humans perception. 16 bits is enough to ensure a SNR and range well inside the 120 dB of human hearing (now I include pain levels). Now, could it be 43 or 48 kHz instead? Yes. That piece is arbitrary but the point is there more does not give you anything. 18 bits? Maybe but computers use bytes and the 16 is enough, so 20 bits will not give you more. Again, everybody is perfectly entitled to have fun building or buying complex and expensive gears. But its about aesthetic and hobbies, what is incorrect is to claim it is better from a signal theorys point if view. LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Since it seems Kees Schouhamer himself answered some points :-D just briefly: The bit depth and sampling rate for the CD format were never a compromise. You can mathematically prove you can *perfectly* reconfigure any analog signal if you sample it at twice the frequency. And the best golden ear human hearing is 20Hz-20kHz. So yes, 44kHz covers it. The 16 bit depth is harder to prove mathematically, but an SNR of 96dB is pretty darn awesome. It wasn't a compromise - they implemented the format when the technology was able to produce practically perfect sound, not earlier - and it was very costly at first. Lots of experts and musicians were also there to make sure the format was "perfect", Herbert von Karajan was notoriously perfectionist, for example. And, while I know the theory, to me what matters is listening to music. I have listened to music long enough to know what sounds good or bad... to *me*, and don't need crutches. I go "this is as good as it will ever sound, and boy is the music sweet" - done. I do recall some DDD CDs in the late 80s that sounded horribly sharp to me, but hey, I was glad to never buy vinyl again, and never looked back. Then, very importantly, when I got my first Squeezebox (I think it was 2004 or 2005) and discovered the awesome convenience of streaming music, and merely using my high end CD player (an Accuphase) as a DAC... I spent many, many hours testing and convincing myself there was zero difference between the CD and the streamed flac. I also established the vast majority of recordings didn't even merit flac. I did rip all my jazz and classical CDs to flac no matter what, though, for archive accuracy and because yes, psychologically it mattered to me there was no loss in any way. Jazz and classical is where I really obsess over sound. I also collected R and salsa and some hip hop, and for those... 320k is plenty and very often overkill. So that's how I ripped them because it made things more universal when it came to listening to music on early MP3 players that were storage constrained. A decision I have never second guessed. I just checked my library, and I own over 4k albums (all legally too, I like to support my favorite artists or their estate). I'd guess only 30% of them are flac, I's be surprised if even 10% truly deserve to be. And it's not because I buy a lot of crap music, but many albums from even great labels are not recorded with the obsessive, meticulous engineering that allows one to really hear differences. And yes, I do have songs where I can quickly and with 100% accuracy tell if I am listening to the CD-quality or the 320k version of it, but that's more of a party trick, it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the music at all, both sound awesome really. Now - give me 192 and I'll start to raise my eyebrows with such well-engineered tracks... So it's not that I am not discerning, it's simply that I know when I am happy. And convenience is a HUGE factor there - it brought the CD (and its superior sound quality to boot), then the Squeezebox of course... and now Spotify, the library is unbeatable. Queue management bothers me as a purist that wants strict control, especially at home. And honestly, other than for listening at home 320k or sometimes in the office (good headphones and good DAC), even 320k is overkill. I certainly don't really need it when I am in the gym or go for a long walk... but hey it's nice to have. Most importantly though - to each their own when it comes to their ways of enjoying music, more power to all music aficionados and their very own ways. I never tell anyone else how they should enjoy their music, but in turn I don't like to be told I should not enjoy listening to music they way I chose to. ;-) ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... I like vinyl because of the aesthetic quality of the product, especially the artwork of the sleeve. And the fact that there's some care required to listen to them. Nowadays most LPs come with a download anyway. And I like the rigmarole around playing the records! Probably my views are coloured by the fact that I grew up with vinyl as the best format. When I digitised all my LPs, I found I could remember the circumstances around their purchase in just about every case. Now, some of this reflects my age and interests at the time, but it also reflects an engagement with the format that I never had with CDs. Most music I buy is as a download, the most common physical format I buy is LP - I very rarely buy CDs these days. I have tried hi-res, but cannot perceive a difference over red book CD resolution. And for the subject of this thread, I doubt I would go for Spotify Lossless streaming over the current format. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Careful. > We will all end up downstairs with the audiofools if we are not careful! Amen! *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder...They also use a different master for SACD > etc to make absolutely sure you can tell the difference [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10 wrote: > Bigger / newer / faster / more isnt always better. > > You can grow a bigger tomato, but that doesnt make it a better tomato. > You can use a newer and technologically advanced HD TV antenna, but > you wont get a better HD TV picture than your grand parents 1948 TV > antenna. > You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris > any faster than a Honda Civic. > You can have a 100,000 song music library, but that doesnt make it > better music than a 1,000 song library. philchillbill wrote: > They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If > people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will > bottle it because there are buyers for it. > > I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear > the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is > abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as > non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... Careful. We will all end up downstairs with the audiofools if we are not careful! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mcduman wrote: > hi philchillbill, > > i remember that even sony and philips recognized the shortcomings of > the cd format and went on to introduce the sacd. why do you think that > happened? > > anyways, i do not need to mention that i will upgrade to spotify hi-fi > when it is available. i have respect for those who find happiness with > 320k or lower, too. They only went on to do SACD for marketing reasons, not technical. If people will buy bottled leprechaun pee then some entrepreneur will bottle it because there are buyers for it. I never understood the fascination with vinyl over CD. Dont people hear the surface noise of the needle in the groove? The noise floor is abysmally high with vinyl. But the golden ears accept that as non-disturbing. Makes one wonder... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PS and it would be much more fun in a Ferrari VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Sorry to be pendantic but you would get there marginally faster in a > Ferrari due to its faster acceleration from 0-60 and better brakes > assuming that both vehicles travel at the maximum permitted speed limit. > > Each time there was a speed limit change the Ferrari would gain a few > milliseconds over its rival.Also as Ferrari owner you are more likely to > don't care / afford speeding tickets [emoji14] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10 wrote: > > You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris > any faster than a Honda Civic. > Sorry to be pendantic but you would get there marginally faster in a Ferrari due to its faster acceleration from 0-60 and better brakes assuming that both vehicles travel at the maximum permitted speed limit. Each time there was a speed limit change the Ferrari would gain a few milliseconds over its rival. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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philchillbill wrote: > I worked as an engineer at Philips CD Lab from 1985-1990 and I can > reassure you that the 74 minutes requirement only directed the choice > for the diameter of the disc (otherwise it would have been a bit smaller > to only handle 60mins of audio like a C60 cassette tape). The desire to > comfortably encode frequencies audible to humans was what drove the > choice for bit-depth and sampling rates, with a little extra headroom > for good measure. The bits/sec put on the actual disc is substantially > higher due to clever techniques like interleaving data and adding > redundancy checksums and such so that errors due to normal scratches can > be completely eradicated. > > Its not that less is good, its that enough is enough. Armstrong didnt > have to shave himself the morning he stepped on the moon because we > couldnt see his stubble from earth when looking up at the moon with our > naked eyes anyway... hi philchillbill, i remember that even sony and philips recognized the shortcomings of the cd format and went on to introduce the sacd. why do you think that happened? anyways, i do not need to mention that i will upgrade to spotify hi-fi when it is available. i have respect for those who find happiness with 320k or lower, too. mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Your link is more about the physical size of the CD to achieve 74 > minutes than the resolution or sampling frequency. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk sorry. 14 -16 bit discussion is in this link. https://www.openculture.com/2018/01/the-story-of-how-beethoven-helped-make-it-so-that-cds-could-play-74-minutes-of-music.html mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Falling down from 3rd floor on head comment [emoji23] maybe bit harsh as one cannot ever perceive other person experiences as we are all limited by our own senses.. (BTW That's why you get so many freaks in talent shows..) Anyway even when I can get around 70-80% of ab blind tests correctly I completely agree its only tiny tiny details I have to almost strain to find. And guess what.. I don't actually listen to music but to some details of hihat or others instrument which gives away this tiny sq improvement.. That's not whats music is for me.. Its like watching 4k tv demo in shops with some paint colours mixing [emoji23] you watch it for a seconds just for sake of quality. You need to appreciate content instead! So as long as you can hear all instruments selectively you are good to go and able to experience musical ecstasy [emoji23] Even heavily compressed 128 radio stream can make your day wonderful.. If you are not excited with your music it's probably music itself not sound quality.. [emoji14] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mcduman wrote: > .. more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen > resolution is good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to > audio resolution, less is good. how can this be true? Bigger / newer / faster / more isnt always better. You can grow a bigger tomato, but that doesnt make it a better tomato. You can use a newer and technologically advanced HD TV antenna, but you wont get a better HD TV picture than your grand parents 1948 TV antenna. You can buy a 200 mph Ferrari, but you wont get from London to Paris any faster than a Honda Civic. You can have a 100,000 song music library, but that doesnt make it better music than a 1,000 song library. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true? I worked as an engineer at Philips CD Lab from 1985-1990 and I can reassure you that the 74 minutes requirement only directed the choice for the diameter of the disc (otherwise it would have been a bit smaller to only handle 60mins of audio like a C60 cassette tape). The desire to comfortably encode frequencies audible to humans was what drove the choice for bit-depth and sampling rates, with a little extra headroom for good measure. The bits/sec put on the actual disc is substantially higher due to clever techniques like interleaving data and adding redundancy checksums and such so that errors due to normal scratches can be completely eradicated. Its not that less is good, its that enough is enough. Armstrong didnt have to shave himself the morning he stepped on the moon because we couldnt see his stubble from earth when looking up at the moon with our naked eyes anyway... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mcduman wrote: > actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to > fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. > (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it > could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am > sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are > surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the > high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. > > more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is > good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, > less is good. how can this be true?Your link is more about the physical size > of the CD to achieve 74 minutes than the resolution or sampling frequency. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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actually, everything about cd format was kind of arbitrary in order to fit Beethoven's 9th in one single portable cd. (https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/). it could have been 14 or 20 bits depending on how much fit in one cd. i am sure all the engineers from sony and philips from those days are surprised that whatever they came up with 40 years ago are still the high watermark of audio technology today. i am, for sure. more of every thing in technology from cpu power to screen resolution is good, whether you need it or not. but when it comes to audio resolution, less is good. how can this be true? mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pablolie wrote:
>
> 320k is awesome sound quality.
I agree with all of this, and I shall be resisting the temptation to
fork out more each month for lossless streaming. I suspect Spotify know
all this too, and have previously resisted the move to lossless not
because of the technical challenges, but because it's not necessary.
But like perfectly rational speaker manufacturers having to add an extra
pair of terminals ('buy wiring'), it's one of those things that people
expect, so to maintain market share they have to offer it.
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mcduman wrote: > when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 > kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 > screen. > fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 > kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 > screen > > so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but > when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution > improved by a factor of 100x. > > Yes, because it's just maths & physics. We hear about 20kHz of BW and that contains much less information than the resolution of the eye can use. Such BW could be perfectly digitized with 44.1kHz sampling rate, so we already reached the max at that time, which was not the case for 2D imaging signal. This no magic, this is math. As well 16 bits is a dynamic range if enough to represent our hearing capabilities (assuming you don't want to cover damaging levels). Anybody is free to use 192kHz @ 24 bits and pay for crazy expensive equipment for that, but telling it's much better from a mathematical point of view is just incorrect. You can buy a 20k$ pen if you want, but it will not improve your writing compared to a 1k$ pen. Still you are free to enjoy the 20k$ pen for reasons that has nothing to do with the technology of the pen and the handwriting result, that your money and choices. LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mcduman wrote: > when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 > kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 > screen. > fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 > kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 > screen > > so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but > when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution > improved by a factor of 100x. > > so, we are told that, you can not _hear__the former, but definitely > _see__the latter. by the way I never saw a test where people are shown > 10 second fragments of a random movie in 2 screens of HD and UHD > resolution and are asked whether they saw any differences. because it > would be almost impossible to the differentiate in a rushed test but > over time with different program material it would show that 2x more > resolution can make for a nice and noticeable improvement. > > when apple and others introduced the ipods way back, the biggest > bottleneck was the hdd capacity. so they compressed the music and fed us > the bullshit that it was not audible anyways. one may care or not, but > it is audible in the long run with the correct music and correct setup > just like computer screens and tvs. > > remember that if we did not have better screens nobody would develop > better games or better movies. likewise when we have hi-res audio, the > record companies will make better sounding music. > > compressed music is based on a lie, but with increased bandwidth and > stuff can have the highest resolution audio possible. and all of us in > these forums want that CD resolution is based on 100% factual science. Look up Nyquist. Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional, frankly. If effing Karajan was 100% happy, and he might have had decent hearing anyhow, anyone is free to listen to their music with whatever compulsive crutch they need to think they have a better experience. I know what I enjoy. :-) ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pablolie wrote: > So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k > stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell > the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few > albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when > you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be > able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail > that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that > claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to > the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on > their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) > > I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but > the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl > addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. > > I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time > obsessing over whether the castanets in Rodriguez' Concierto de Aranjuez > sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently > discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret > closet... :-D when the cd was invented in the 80s it offered a resolution of 1411 kbps. when you bought a computer at that time it came with a 320x240 screen. fast forward to today, and the most popular streaming service offers 320 kbps. when you buy a high end computer it comes with a 4096x2160 screen so when streaming music we are at 1/4 of where we were 40 years ago, but when streaming movies or playing games visually our screen resolution improved by a factor of 100x. so, we are told that, you can not _hear__the former, but definitely _see__the latter. by the way I never saw a test where people are shown 10 second fragments of a random movie in 2 screens of HD and UHD resolution and are asked whether they saw any differences. because it would be almost impossible to the differentiate in a rushed test but over time with different program material it would show that 2x more resolution can make for a nice and noticeable improvement. when apple and others introduced the ipods way back, the biggest bottleneck was the hdd capacity. so they compressed the music and fed us the bullshit that it was not audible anyways. one may care or not, but it is audible in the long run with the correct music and correct setup just like computer screens and tvs. remember that if we did not have better screens nobody would develop better games or better movies. likewise when we have hi-res audio, the record companies will make better sounding music. compressed music is based on a lie, but with increased bandwidth and stuff can have the highest resolution audio possible. and all of us in these forums want that mcduman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Likewise I expect there will be a clamour to get Spotify lossless on board but as far as I am concerned they have missed the boat. Unless its massively cheaper (unlikely) and fully supported here (as you say down to Michael) why would I want the hassle of transferring my library from one to other? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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+1 as well But I pity Michael for having to deal with the likely oncoming demands for what may be a Herculean task. As much credit as Michael gets here, it still is not enough imo. TomAmes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=27792 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: > No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with > everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant > past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors > of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things > transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known > problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I > could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But > getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs > the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not > reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier > and easier, not unexpectedly. > > I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when > that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I > hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer > 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and > would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. I do think a lot of it is subjective but its appropriate that pablolie mentions Concierto as the Miles Davis version on Sketches of Spain is where I really heard the difference. SWMBO had bought me a pair of Bs a few Christmass ago and one of the first things I listened to with them was a 320kbps mp3 rip of Sketches of Spain. I heard stuff Id not heard before - a xylophone deep in the left channel. The following day I re-ripped the CD to FLAC and I swear I heard it more clearly. At that point I decided to re-rip all my CDs to FLAC and to redo any Vinyl rips Id already done as mp3 to FLAC instead. Ive done all the CDS but Ive still got 50 odd LPs to redo. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Generally I am also +1 > But, dont shout at me, I listen a lot using my iPhone, an Audioquest > Dragonfly and a pair of B P7s. I can tell a 320kbps mp3 from a FLAC > and very occasionally I can detect a HiRes FLAC. > However I am not going to replace all my ripped CDs with 24bit downloads > despite the music industry dangling the deluxe edition with new tracks > as the carrot. I do still buy Vinyl but Ive stopped buying CDs since I > signed up with Qobuz and Michael introduced Online Music Library > Integration. My wife thanks you Michael. No shouting on this forum. My favorite forum for getting along with everyone! Regarding transparency of different codecs, In the distant past, I did some ABX (double blind) tests of lossless vs various flavors of mp3 (320kbps down to 64kbps I recall). I found most things transparent down to 192kbps (for most normal music). Certain known problem samples where one could focus on harpsichord, piano, etc. I could detect. Otherwise my choices turned out to be random guesses. But getting lower than about 160kbps I could more often tell the lossless vs the lossy. But even at 128kbps, certain "rock/pop" music was not reliably different from lossless for me. Below 128, I found it easier and easier, not unexpectedly. I rip all my CDs to FLAC, because why not. I purchase hi-res files when that's all that's available, but not because I think they are better. I hate the fact that the Neil Young download store only seems to offer 24/192. Just bought the new "Down in the Rust Bucket" album today, and would have gladly purchased 16/44.1 if it had been available. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
> kidstypike;1011916 Generally I am also +1 But, dont shout at me, I listen a lot using my iPhone, an Audioquest Dragonfly and a pair of B P7s. I can tell a 320kbps mp3 from a FLAC and very occasionally I can detect a HiRes FLAC. However I am not going to replace all my ripped CDs with 24bit downloads despite the music industry dangling the deluxe edition with new tracks as the carrot. I do still buy Vinyl but Ive stopped buying CDs since I signed up with Qobuz and Michael introduced Online Music Library Integration. My wife thanks you Michael. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > I couldnt agree more. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/Hifiberry DAC HAT Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Garage* - Squeezebox Boom + Fostex sub *Dining Room* - Pi3B/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote: > So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k > stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell > the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few > albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when > you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be > able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail > that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that > claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to > the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on > their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) > > I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but > the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl > addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. > > I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time > obsessing over whether the castanets in Roderiguez' Concierto de > Aranjuez sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently > discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret > closet... :-D I couldnt agree more. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
So sue me but I am perfectly happy with the SQ of the current 320k stream. Plenty of listening tests out there show how hard it is to tell the difference between 320k/CD quality/HighRez. There are preciously few albums that are recorded with the required resolution, and even when you're very familiar with them you have to listen to artifacts to be able to tell, and that's with an amount of artificial focus for detail that completely kills the fun of listening to the music. And anyone that claims they can hear additional detail and "airiness" when listening to the 24/192 version of Bill Evans' 1962 "Waltz for Debby" was dropped on their head from a third floor as a baby, really. :-) I know I go against the fashionable "CD quality sucks" these days, but the whole thing about the combined obsession of HighRez with vinyl addiction to boot is laughable, sorry if I offend anyone. I spend time curating my collection and playlists, and little time obsessing over whether the castanets in Roderiguez' Concierto de Aranjuez sound ever so slightly more present in 320k or in the recently discovered 1968 mastertape hidden in a deceased Decca executive's secret closet... :-D ...pablo Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF Reference 1 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > wasn't the original RadioParadise flac stream actually an Ogg/FLAC > stream? (whether that matters, I have no idea) My (currently on pause) radio station had an Ogg/FLAC stream with metadata. It wasnt difficult to put together. The technical issue was with the player software that delivered the stream to the encoder which would crash for no apparent reason. The non technical issue is copyright in a key area. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Ogg/FLAC? Given that they are not (apparently) considering HD might be > doable at 16/44.1 on existing hardware. > Chromecast, Airplay etc devices are all capable enough. wasn't the original RadioParadise flac stream actually an Ogg/FLAC stream? (whether that matters, I have no idea) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mherger wrote: > > Spotify claims it will be compatible with existing Connect speakers, > so > > if we're lucky Spotty will just work ;) > > I seriously doubt it. Their current streams are Ogg. I would be > surprised if _any_ Connect speaker would work without a firmware update. Ogg/FLAC? Given that they are not (apparently) considering HD might be doable at 16/44.1 on existing hardware. Chromecast, Airplay etc devices are all capable enough. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Spotify claims it will be compatible with existing Connect speakers, so if we're lucky Spotty will just work ;) I seriously doubt it. Their current streams are Ogg. I would be surprised if _any_ Connect speaker would work without a firmware update. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
mherger wrote: > I'll repeat what I just wrote in another thread, to hopefully continue > the discussion here. > > Whether Spotify HiFi will ever work with Spotty, I can't say. When that > > would be even less so. It will certainly not be available when HiFi > starts. As Spotty is using an open source implementation of a Spotify > client, that project will need to be updated before I could even think > of implementing it in Spotty. And as they don't have any official > relationship with Spotify, this might take a while. So... don't hold > your breath. But it's certainly something I'd be happy to implement. > > Once it's really available. Right now we have nothing but the > announcement of a plan. Spotify claims it will be compatible with existing Connect speakers, so if we're lucky Spotty will just work ;) Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
I'll repeat what I just wrote in another thread, to hopefully continue the discussion here. Whether Spotify HiFi will ever work with Spotty, I can't say. When that would be even less so. It will certainly not be available when HiFi starts. As Spotty is using an open source implementation of a Spotify client, that project will need to be updated before I could even think of implementing it in Spotty. And as they don't have any official relationship with Spotify, this might take a while. So... don't hold your breath. But it's certainly something I'd be happy to implement. Once it's really available. Right now we have nothing but the announcement of a plan. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
garym wrote: > I haven't seen this posted anywhere on this forum. Interesting > development. > https://9to5google.com/2021/02/22/spotify-hifi-lossless-audio/ Beat me to it :cool: 2 x Touch 2 x Radio 2 x Boom 1 x Intel-NUC server/squeezelite running LMS 7.92 (from nightlies) on Windows 10 1 X Odroid-XU4 server/squeezelite running LMS 7.91 on Ubuntu 16.04 1 x iMac server running macos Hich Sierra WaveIO USB into Lavry DA-10 DAC Starfish Pre-amp : Based on NAIM NAC 72 Heavily modified NAIM NAP 250 Power-amp Behringer DEQ2496 Linn Isobarik DMS bobertuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30376 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
I agree that it will be a real plus for the largest streaming service to finally offer CD quality at least as lossless downloads . Spotify has enough of a lead in this market to withstand the troubled economic times we find ourselves in . This will mean as stated above that should one of the smaller companies like Tidal close there will still be high quality streams available . I have posted in the Spotify Plugin thread asking if there has been any direct contact with Spotify over ensuring that the new service will work with LMS and Squeezelite I hope so as I would be tempted to sign up for this for the first time provided they do not make the price too expensive. System - Concordant Exhilirant Valve Pre , SBT Triode EDO,Toolbox 3.0 , Theta Data Basic II Transport , Perpetual Technology P-1a,P-3a,Anti Mode 2.0 Dual Core,Krell KSA50 MK 1 . bencat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
d6jg wrote: > Too late I feel. My Qobuz library is already 500+ albums. Am I really > going to switch back to Spotify? Probably not (I wouldn't). But I do think it is good news (for lossless streaming) that Spotify will be in that space. I forget the percentages, but Qobuz and Tidal are very tiny in terms of customers relative to the much bigger players like Spotify. So if either Qobuz or Tidal bites the dust, it is nice to think that there will be some CD quality streaming remaining. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Too late I feel. My Qobuz library is already 500+ albums. Am I really going to switch back to Spotify? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
Great news! I hope it will be available in Canada and for only a few dollars more for lossless streaming like Amazon Music HD. I have tried Tidal (too expensive) and AM HD (reasonably priced), but have always reverted back to Spotify because it is best at personalizing playlist. raglencross's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
I haven't seen this posted anywhere on this forum. Interesting development. https://9to5google.com/2021/02/22/spotify-hifi-lossless-audio/ *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
