Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread JJZolx

ModelCitizen;280295 Wrote: 
> I followed your instructions and a service was created that called
> C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe, not
> softsqueezeHeadless.exe as it should. I've corrected the path in the
> regsitry but the service won't start. I'm about to delete the service
> and try setting it up from scratch.

That's exactly what it's supposed to do.  The program that runs as a
service is srvany.exe ("Serve Any").  It's a wrapper that is used to
run other programs as Windows services.  Normally, in order for a
program to run as a service it has to be designed to do so.

So you install this little wrapper program that in turn runs your
desired program.  That's what the 'Parameters' key in the registry is
for.  It tells srvany what program to run.  When the service is running
you should see both processes running under Windows Task Manager -
srvany.exe and softsqueezeheadless.exe (or squeezeslave.exe).

SoftsqueezeHeadless is a good bit harder to run as a service than
Squeezeslave, since you must somehow first configure all the connection
parameters that it will use (normally done from the gui interface),
while with Squeezeslave you just pass the connection data on the
command line.  I have them both configured as services ony my work PC,
but usually use Squeezeslave.  I'd try it again and see if you can't
fix the volume issue.

One other thing... In investigating where Softqueeze stores its
settings (haven't found them yet) I see that I created a local user
(called "Squeeze", what else?) on my PC used to run the services.  That
may be necessary to pull this off.  So create a new user and give it a
password, then go into the Services manager and have the service log on
using that account.


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread Zaragon

ModelCitizen;280295 Wrote: 
> I followed your instructions and a service was created that called
> C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe, not
> softsqueezeHeadless.exe as it should. I've corrected the path in the
> regsitry but the service won't start. I'm about to delete the service
> and try setting it up from scratch.
> MC
> 
> I uninstalled the service, and installed it again. The dos texxt:
> 
> C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>Instsrv SoftSqueeze
> "C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe"
> 
> The service was successfuly added!
> --
> 
> But again the service would not start (did not respond in a timely
> manner as Windows put it). I changed it to run under an administrator
> account but no joy either. I noticed that the path in the registry had
> installed it without including the quote marks so added those. Still no
> joy.
> 

Although I haven't played with services I think there is a little
confusion here.

What I think you are doing here is setting up a service that when run
starts softsqueeze.

The Instsrv command installs a new service. That service runs the
srvany.exe application. What you then need to so is to edit the
registry entry for the new service that you created to point it as
softsqueeze. I'm assuming that srvany.exe gets a parameter which is the
path of softsqueeze when it runs on startup.

Here is a link to a Microsoft Support article
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137890 which also describes what Jim
mentioned.


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread ModelCitizen

Robin Bowes;280309 Wrote: 
> 
> Er, colour me stupid but, it sounds to me like you need another
> Squeezebox!
Somehow it would feel a bit wasteful to run one in my study, right next
to my computer.  :-)

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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread Robin Bowes
ModelCitizen wrote:
> Hello,
> In my quest for true whole-house audio it's struck me that I need a
> Windows-based low footprint player, integrated with SlimCenter, that
> does not show on my PC (is this headless?). I only need to control it
> via the SlimCenter web interface and the jive controller.

Er, colour me stupid but, it sounds to me like you need another Squeezebox!

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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread ModelCitizen

Hmmm.. this is not working. I seems so simple too that it's hard to see
what could be wrong.

I uninstalled the service, and installed it again. The dos texxt:

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>Instsrv SoftSqueeze
"C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe"

The service was successfuly added!
--

But again the service would not start (did not respond in a timely
manner as Windows put it). I changed it to run under an administrator
account but no joy either. I noticed that the path in the registry had
installed it without including the quote marks so added those. Still no
joy.

If I go to My Computer and add the path:
C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe to the location
bar and hit enter the process is started and all works fine, so why
can't the service start it?

Flummoxed.

MC


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread ModelCitizen

JJZolx;280264 Wrote: 
> Try:
> C:\>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze "C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
> Kits\Tools\srvany.exe"

I followed your instructions and a service was created that called
C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe, not
softsqueezeHeadless.exe as it should. I've corrected the path in the
regsitry but the service won't start. I'm about to delete the service
and try setting it up from scratch.

MC


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread ModelCitizen

hunta;280292 Wrote: 
> 
> Sorry, possibly missing the point as that seems a bit too
> straightforward a solution.
Yup, I want it to run as a service, i.e. to run without me being logged
in at the computer.

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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread hunta

The version of SoftSqueeze I have (3.2.1?) also installs
SoftSqueezeHeadless.exe. I just have a shortcut to that in my start-up
folder. Simple as that, and works perfectly with SqueezeCenter. I'm not
even sure that Java is running as it has no graphical interface.

Sorry, possibly missing the point as that seems a bit too
straightforward a solution.


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread Zaragon

As JJZolx has corrected the suggested command I thought I'd just add for
anyone else that in general, for windows, if a filename or a directory
name contains spaces then you have to place the whole string within
double quotes. Otherwise the spaces look like separators between a
command an its parameters.

ie c:\program files\myprog.exe would like like you are trying to run
c:\program with a parameter of files\myprog.exe

So c:\program files\myprog.exe would be:
"c:\program files\myprog.exe"

You may also have to do this if you are trying to pass a path to
another programme.
eg myprog c:\all my music\musicfiles
to avoid it looking like three parameters to myprog enclose the
parameter in double quotes as in:
myprog "c:\all my music\musicfiles"


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread JJZolx

ModelCitizen;280251 Wrote: 
> Jim,
> 
> thanks for your useful reply.
> 
> I have given up attemptimng anything with SqueezeSlave for two
> reasons:
> 
> 1) It's volume output is extremely low (almost inaudible)

I've never noticed this.  Seems to be about the same as Softsqueeze to
me.

> 2) When synced it causes my other players to stop emitting any sound
> whatsoever (even though to all intents and purposes they look like they
> are playing music)

I've never tried synching a software player to any hardware players,
since I've only used it remotely from work.

> C:\>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
> Kits\Tools\srvany.exe

Sorry. I just tested this and it requires double quotes arount the full
path to srvany.exe.  Try:

C:\>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze "C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
Kits\Tools\srvany.exe"


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-16 Thread ModelCitizen

Jim,

thanks for your useful reply.

I have given up attemptimng anything with SqueezeSlave for two
reasons:

1) It's volume output is extremely low (almost inaudible)
2) When synced it causes my other players to stop emitting any sound
whatsoever (even though to all intents and purposes they look like they
are playing music)

I have realised (mainly through reading one of your old posts) that a
file called softsqueezeheadless.exe is included in the SoftSqueeze
installation. This does exactly what I want. However, I have failed to
manage to install it as a Windows service. I've downloaded the Windows
Tools and used your instructions but it would not install. Then I read
the Windows Tools helpfile and tried a lot of other paths. None of
which worked. You seem quite experienced at this sort of thing. Can you
tell at a glance what I am doing wrong? I've copied the commands I've
tried below. All installations are in default paths and all the paths
I've used are verifyably correct. All the files I am referencing are
installed.

Thanks for any help.

MC


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze
C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>cd\

C:\>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
Kits\Tools\srvany.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\>cd INSTSRV SoftSqueeze C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
Kits\Tools\
The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.

C:\>cd INSTSRV SoftSqueeze C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
Kits\Tools\
The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.

C:\>
C:\>cd C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>INSTSRV SoftSqueeze
C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>cd\

C:\>cd C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze

C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze>instsrv SoftSqueeze
softsqueezeHeadless.exe

- The fully qualified path to the .EXE must be given

C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze>instsrv SoftSqueeze C:\Program
Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze>instsrv SoftSqueeze srvany.exe

- The fully qualified path to the .EXE must be given

C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze>cd\

C:\>instsrv SoftSqueeze srvany.exe

- The fully qualified path to the .EXE must be given

C:\>instsrv SoftSqueeze C:\Program Files\Windows Resource
Kits\Tools\srvany.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\>instsrv SoftSqueeze C:\Program
Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

C:\>cd C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools

C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools>instsrv SoftSqueeze
C:\Program Files\Softsqueeze\softsqueezeHeadless.exe

Unable to find the file at the given path.

ah!


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread robbin

ModelCitizen;279992 Wrote: 
> I think the confusion comes from my use of the word "headless". I was
> referring to using Softsqueeze in headless mode (See title "headless
> player"). I was hoping that this meant using it without any sort of
> graphical interfaceI think SoftSqueeze will do what you want. Try this. Run 
> SoftSqueeze.
Now minimize it using the __ next to the X on the SoftSqueeze graphical
interface (warning -- do not minimize using the task bar). SoftSqueeze
will not just minimize but disappear with the only thing left showing
it is running being an icon in the right side of the task bar (near the
clock). If you want the graphical interface back click on that icon.
Otherwise just control it from SqueezeCenter and forget that icon is
even there!


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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread Peter
ModelCitizen wrote:
> Peter;279910 Wrote: 
>   
>> You have a PC dedicated for this stuff? What PC, bought in the last 5
>> years, is incapable of running  SoftSqueeze/Java and Squeezecenter
>> simultaneously?
>> 
> No I don't. I have one PC (as stated above) that is always on. This is
> my deskop machine and a SlimCenter server. Of course, it is capable of
> running SoftSqueeze as is... it's just that it is entirely unnecessary
> for me to do that and it'll get in the way.
>   

I understood you had one PC that's always on and others that are not 
always on.

> Peter;279910 Wrote: 
>   
>> You're running Windows already, which means you're pretty much stuck
>> with the graphic interface.
>> 
> I was taking about the graphical interface of Softsqueeze.
> Peter;279910 Wrote: 
>   
>> VNC is a very minimal tool that allows you to control your 
>> headless/always on PC from a non-headless/not-always-on PC. You must
>> control the thing someway, right? Remote Desktop is fine as well of
>> course.
>> 
> I have used VNC for years at work, but it is not much use for me when I
> only have one PC at home! I think the confusion comes from my use of the
> word "headless". I was referring to using Softsqueeze in headless mode
> (See title "headless player"). I was hoping that this meant using it
> without any sort of graphical interface (and my doubt is illustrated by
> the way I phrased it as a question in the post). Sorry it wasn't clear.
> BTW. I now prefer to use Windows intergrated remote desktop (Terminal
> Server as was) in preference to VNC.
>   

That's it, I think we got confused about the headless issue. I thought 
there was some switch to run SoftSqueeze without the GUI, though... 
(still needs Java obviously) Try the -Dskins=headless
option.
> Peter;279910 Wrote: 
>   
>> I didn't say you had to learn it [Linux], just run it. You don't have
>> to be a Linux expert to run a few programs.
>> 
> I've tried to install various flavours of Linux at various times since
> I first dived into the world of Slimdevices. The result was always
> failure (even with Michael Herger's SlimCD). Setting up Linux and
> maintaining it is not a process without a certain time-cost. Anyway
> it's daft thing to have to run a minority OS solely to service one
> consumer-orientated software package.
>   
I'm not trying to push Linux on people who don't want or need it, but 
for a (headless) server it's hard to beat.

> Anyway. Thanks for your help.
>   

Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread ModelCitizen

Peter;279910 Wrote: 
> You have a PC dedicated for this stuff? What PC, bought in the last 5
> years, is incapable of running  SoftSqueeze/Java and Squeezecenter
> simultaneously?
No I don't. I have one PC (as stated above) that is always on. This is
my deskop machine and a SlimCenter server. Of course, it is capable of
running SoftSqueeze as is... it's just that it is entirely unnecessary
for me to do that and it'll get in the way.
Peter;279910 Wrote: 
> 
> You're running Windows already, which means you're pretty much stuck
> with the graphic interface.
I was taking about the graphical interface of Softsqueeze.
Peter;279910 Wrote: 
> 
> VNC is a very minimal tool that allows you to control your 
> headless/always on PC from a non-headless/not-always-on PC. You must
> control the thing someway, right? Remote Desktop is fine as well of
> course.
I have used VNC for years at work, but it is not much use for me when I
only have one PC at home! I think the confusion comes from my use of the
word "headless". I was referring to using Softsqueeze in headless mode
(See title "headless player"). I was hoping that this meant using it
without any sort of graphical interface (and my doubt is illustrated by
the way I phrased it as a question in the post). Sorry it wasn't clear.
BTW. I now prefer to use Windows intergrated remote desktop (Terminal
Server as was) in preference to VNC.
Peter;279910 Wrote: 
> 
> I didn't say you had to learn it [Linux], just run it. You don't have
> to be a Linux expert to run a few programs.
I've tried to install various flavours of Linux at various times since
I first dived into the world of Slimdevices. The result was always
failure (even with Michael Herger's SlimCD). Setting up Linux and
maintaining it is not a process without a certain time-cost. Anyway
it's daft thing to have to run a minority OS solely to service one
consumer-orientated software package.
Peter;279910 Wrote: 
> ModelCitizen wrote:
> It's all a bit immaterial at the moment though. Syncing Squeezeslave
> appears to have destroyed the sound output from all my players.
> That's Windows for ya ;)
I'm more inclined to think it's a bug in SlimCenter or Squeezeslave.
:-)

Anyway. Thanks for your help.

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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread Peter
ModelCitizen wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Peter but all you advise is a bit over the top for
> me. 
>
> * Run Softqueeze (& java - unnecessary permanent overhead. Do not want
> graphic interface either) 
>   

You have a PC dedicated for this stuff? What PC, bought in the last 5 
years, is incapable of running  SoftSqueeze/Java and Squeezecenter 
simultaneously?

You're running Windows already, which means you're pretty much stuck 
with the graphic interface.

> * Run VNC (I only have one permanently on PC, it runs SlimCenter? Now I
> want it to be an audio source too)
>   

VNC is a very minimal tool that allows you to control your 
headless/always on PC from a non-headless/not-always-on PC. You must 
control the thing someway, right? Remote Desktop is fine as well of course.

> * Run a Linux PC (learn a new OS for one app? I have children)
>   

I didn't say you had to learn it, just run it. You don't have to be a 
Linux expert to run a few programs. BTW, what you want runs fine under 
Windows, it's just that *I* would prefer Linux for this application. 
SqueezeCenter just runs better on it.

> For my immediate requirements it looks like all I need to do is get
> Squeezeslave to run as a service (or put up with the permanently open
> dos box and the fact that it only starts at login).
>   

I feel you have the wrong end of the stick on this whole headless thing.

> It's all a bit immaterial at the moment though. Syncing Squeezeslave
> appears to have destroyed the sound output from all my players.
>   

That's Windows for ya ;)

Good luck.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread JJZolx

You can run squeezeslave.exe as a service on Windows.  I do this on my
work PC.

First, you'll need the Windows Resource Kit Tools for XP/Win2k3. 
Download it 'here'
(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9D467A69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en).
(Despite the page heading, these tools are for XP as well as Windows
Server 2003.  Verify this by looking on the page under Sytem
Requirements.)

Install the Resource Kit Tools on the server.  You only need two of the
tools, so after intalling the kit you can, if you like, safely delete
everything except:

instsrv.exe
srvany.exe

Then from a command prompt install the service using:


Code:

instsrv Squeezeslave C:\Program Files\Windows Resource Kits\Tools\srvany.exe



Then run regedit to edit the service entry in the registry.  Start >
Run > enter 'regedit'.  Go to 

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Squeezeslave

Right-click 'Squeezeslave' and select New > Key.  Name it 'Parameters'.
Right-click 'Parameters' and select New > String.  Name this
'Application'.  Double-click 'Application' and set its value to the
full path to squeezeslave.exe.  On my system I have it at

C:\Program Files\Squeezeslave\squeezeslave.exe

Then create another New > String in Parameters called 'AppParameters'. 
Set its value to the IP address of your SqueezeCenter server.  This
entry passes that address to squeezeslave.exe as a command-line
argument.

Then go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools >
Servics and find the Squeezeslave service.  Double-click it and set its
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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread ModelCitizen

Thanks for your reply Peter but all you advise is a bit over the top for
me. 

* Run Softqueeze (& java - unnecessary permanent overhead. Do not want
graphic interface either) 
* Run VNC (I only have one permanently on PC, it runs SlimCenter? Now I
want it to be an audio source too)
* Run a Linux PC (learn a new OS for one app? I have children)

For my immediate requirements it looks like all I need to do is get
Squeezeslave to run as a service (or put up with the permanently open
dos box and the fact that it only starts at login).

It's all a bit immaterial at the moment though. Syncing Squeezeslave
appears to have destroyed the sound output from all my players.

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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread Peter

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:49:35 -0700, "ModelCitizen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> Hello,
> In my quest for true whole-house audio it's struck me that I need a
> Windows-based low footprint player, integrated with SlimCenter, that
> does not show on my PC (is this headless?). I only need to control it
> via the SlimCenter web interface and the jive controller.

If you want a windows based PC, I'd control it over VNC or Remote
Desktop if I were you. 

> Softsqueeze appears no good (large java footprint) and no headless
> capability.

Just keep it logged in and keep SoftSqueeze running. It can (also) be
controlled with the Controller and the web interface (of course). How
much does a megabyte of RAM cost these days? That's enough to run
Softsqueeze and Squeezecenter. There's no reason a headless (no display)
box couldn't run a virtual display.

> Squeezeslave seems to be almost there but the latest version on
> Sourceforge (0.7.4.2:
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105169) is not
> integrated with SlimServer, opens up a dos box when run and does not
> run as a windows service (so requires me to be logged on at the PC for
> it to run).
> 
> If I could work out how to run Squeezeslave as a Windows Service and
> this meant that the dos box did not open it would be fine.
> 
> Then all it needs to is to be seemlessly integrated into SlimCenter
> 7.0!  :-)

All players (including SoftSqueeze and squeezeslave) are seemlessly
integrated in SC7.0 and can be conveniently controlled with the
controller.

Personally, I'd use something like Ubuntu for such an application. It's
free, Squeezecenter runs better on it and it needs less resources.

Regards,
Peter
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Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required

2008-03-15 Thread ModelCitizen

Hmmm.. should have actually tried Squeezeslave before posting this... I
get a very, very low volume sound and the dos box reads:

Output devices:
0: Primary Sound Driver
1: DMX 6fire Wave
2: Primary Sound Capture Driver
3: DMX 6fire Wave
PortAudio on DirectSound - Latency = 5376 frames, 121 msec
http_recv: error reading from socket
decoding error
decoding error
decoding error
decoding error
http_recv: error reading from socket
decoding error
decoding error
decoding error
decoding error


This on SlimCenter 7
:-(

MC


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