Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Marc Sherman wrote:... Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate. - Marc Yeah, same here -- particularly with audiobooks, which come on a brazillion CDs. I just set Album to whatever for the whole pile, then manually redo the track numbers as 1-100 instead of 1-12, 1-11, 1-14, &c. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture... "If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower." -- The Talking Heads ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
Dondi Fusco wrote: If they are different & there is a need to keep them separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in the above example I would name both albums the same, just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important, just make sure that the album name is the same up until the added & unique word/words that are added. Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be treated as such. Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. :) - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
> And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into > multiple albums. > For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet > Sounds, which has the > entire album twice, first in the original mono, and > then a new stereo > remaster. > > > That's why my feature request included the menu > option to jump to the > > second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking > across my library I > > estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as > one". If they are different & there is a need to keep them separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in the above example I would name both albums the same, just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important, just make sure that the album name is the same up until the added & unique word/words that are added. Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be treated as such. -- D __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
NickM wrote: Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album, but NOT always... And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums. For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo remaster. That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as one". Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
I'm with Takashi on this... I have tagged an extensive library (>4500+ albums) and when it comes to multidisc sets, I just keep going with the track number. To me, I don't care what disc number it is from. I treat the entire disc set as a single disc and the track numbers are iterative so no matter what player I am playing from, I am sure to not run into the multidisc issue. Example, Eric Clapton's Crossroads box set has many discs... my track numbers start at #01 and go through to #92. I'm not sure what the value is to start over at track one on the second disc. It is the same album. This method has added greater value to my library as well, and just one of those avoided headaches that I don't have to deal with. Just my $.02, -- Dondi __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/18/05, snarlydwarf
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we're looking in different places, but id3.org shows TPOS.. and
> no 'DISC' or "PARTINSET'... perhaps your labeller is showing different
> names than what it actually uses, but id3 v2.3 should be using TPOS.
>
> (In fact, id3 field names are always 4 characters... [ignoring version
> 2.2 where they were 3...]).
Nope, I think you're right and I'm just lazy :) I should have checked
the standard list.
I'll give it a go with TPOS instead of PARTINSET - it shouldn't be
hard to mass-convert the PARTINSET to an equivalent TPOS tag. It's
still a shame that this differs from tags ("comments") used by Ogg
Vorbis / FLAC, but there's obviously nothing to be done about that
now.
Cheers
Geoff
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Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
TPOS is absolutely a standard tag -- it's DISC that isn't (at least for ID3). See http://www.id3.org/ for more info on these.Ben ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/17/05, NickM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geoff, your work around sounds OK - except, I use JR's MediaCenter to > rip & tag - and for the moment, I can't figure out how to edit the tags > that you suggest. > > Having a quick look up on ID3 formats, I think (someone please correct > me if I understood this) that DISC is a standard tag, whereas PARTINSET > and TPOS are advanced tags. > > I try not to use anything but standard tags so that I will be > compatible with players of the future... > > I guess that SlimServer should work with the standard DISC tags? Hi Nick, I think you're right - PARTINSET and TPOS are not standard tags. I'm guessing, but I would be very surprised if other "players of the future" refused to play your tracks because they didn't recognise all the tags. If you add both DISC and PARTINSET, you should be ok for both scenarios, I would think? At the very least, you could just remove PARTINSET in the future. That said, it would be nice if SlimServer just used the more standard DISC tag :) To answer the question about adding the tags; I'm not familiar with JR's MediaCenter, but you could use MP3Tag for this part of the process; it's free, customisable, and you might find it useful for a bunch of other stuff. If you decide to go that route, let me know if you need any tips. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/15/05, CavesOfTQLT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui > and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though > I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets > even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of > Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs > fixing without a doubt. > > -- > CavesOfTQLT I found that you need to set PARTINSET (it sounds like TPOS also works) - just setting the DISC and DISCC doesn't work. If it's MP3s that you're talking about, try setting the PARTINSET to 1/3, 2/3, 3/3 etc, and running the latest 6.2. That works for me. I use MP3Tag, and have DISC and DISCC already set in my files. MP3Tag allows me to easily set the PARTINSET to %DISC%/%DISCC% with one click. If you don't have DISC and DISCC set, but do have directory names similar to "artist/album/disc 1/file.mp3" or "artist/album (disc 1 of 2)/file.mp3" then it's also easy to extract the DISC tag from the filename. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/11/05, NickM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geoff - you're right (I think), but then so is Takashi. > > So, how about this for a future FEATURE request:- > > 1.If the Group Discs setting is checked, > > -- > NickM Hi Nick, Your post was cut off, but in fact, it's working ok for me at the moment. All I have done is add all three tags to all my files, and it works fine. It would be great if this could be standardised to one tag for number of albums, another tag for total number of albums. Also, I think this enhancement would be entirely worthwhile: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1138 Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
> Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up > mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file > extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight. > > Cheers > Geoff DISCNUMBER works for me in both flac and mp3. To be honest I've never bothered trying to set the total number of discs, I just want to see the albums listed separately. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/11/05, Richie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a bug: > > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 > > and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly > you'll probably find it does what you want. > > Richard Ok, I installed the latest nightly, and this is the summary of what works (for me): MP3 files need PARTINSET, with a string value of 1/2 or 2/2 etc. I.e., you HAVE to include both the disc number and disc count, separated by a forward-slash. You don't need any other disc count tags. Everything else that I tested (FLAC, OGG) needs both DISCNUMBER (set to the disc number within the set, 1, 2, 3 etc) and DISCC (set to the total number of discs in the set). PARTINSET does no good here. This gives me Violent Femmes (Disc 1 of 2) (2002) Violent Femmes (Disc 2 of 2) (2002) (for both MP3 and OGG / FLAC). Caveats: I don't use any of that wacky single-file-album-with-cue-sheet stuff. Most of my stuff is MP3. I only tested MP3, OGG and FLAC. Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight. Cheers Geoff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
> I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last > couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on > updating shortly. > > Cheers > Geoff It was a bug: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly you'll probably find it does what you want. Richard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Multi Disc Sets
On 10/11/05, NickM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Clive - the reason I question whether it's a bug or not, is that > under the Server Settings, Behavior, there is an option to "Group > Discs". So someone has obviously thought about the problem, just not > quite enough for a flexible solution. Hi Nick, You're right (philosophical issues aside) - as I understand it this is supposed to split multi-disc albums into, well, multiple discs. Using 6.2, I don't get this behaviour, but I do get tracks playing in the right order. I.e., I get one album, and if I browse into it I get disc 1's tracks in order followed by disc 2's tracks in order. Adding the album to the playlist gets the correct results. >From what I've read, it's *supposed* to create two album entries, for example if I browse by artist I currently get: David Bowie Best Of Bowie (2002) Disc 1 tracks 1..19 followed by Disc 2 tracks 1..20 It *should* give, I think: David Bowie Best Of Bowie (2002) (Disc 1 of 2) Disc 1 tracks 1..19 Best Of Bowie (2002) (Disc 2 of 2) Disc 2 tracks 1..20 To try to get this to work correctly, I added every tag under the sun. I.e.: DISC, PARTINSET, DISCNUMBER - all set to the disc number DISCC - set to the number of discs in the set (also tried taking this out) I also tried both settings for the "Group Discs" behaviour setting, with complete wipe/rescan each time. Currently it's on "treat multi-disc sets as multiple albums", and I get the behaviour that I describe above, which is perhaps what you are looking for. I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on updating shortly. Cheers Geoff PS: Philosophically, I WANT to identify my discs separately; I'm used to hearing them separately, and sometimes I just want to hear disc 2 of Dylan's 'Masterpieces', dammit. It's completely different to disc 1. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Multi-Disc Sets: DISCNAME Tag?
Christian Pernegger said: > I know, it's what I'm using at the moment. However, I believe the original > poster was referring to cases where there are not only multiple discs in a > set but all of them have a title of their own, besides the title of the > overall album. [snip] Yes, that is precisely what I was looking for. I think I'll begin encoding using the DISNAME tag and hope that SlimServer someday supports it. Thanks. -- Jason Voegele "There is an essential core at the center of each man and woman that remains unaltered no matter how life's externals may be transformed or recombined. But it's smaller than we think." -- Gene Wolfe, The Book of the Long Sun ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: Multi-Disc Sets: DISCNAME Tag?
DISC and DISCC are what SlimServer recognizes currently. DISC is the number of the DISC in a collection. DISCC is the total number of discs in that collection. If you have both of those, and ALBUM is the same on all the tracks, SlimServer gives you the choice if viewing all of those under one album, or will dynamically show you "Album (Disc 1)" or "Album (Disc 1 of 3)". I know, it's what I'm using at the moment. However, I believe the original poster was referring to cases where there are not only multiple discs in a set but all of them have a title of their own, besides the title of the overall album. E.g. I have "Here And There" by Elton John, which consists of discs "London" and "New York", named after the location of the live concert on them. If we could find out what the most widely used tag for this was (probably DISCNAME or DISCTITLE) then slimserver could show: Here And There (Disc 1 - London) Here And There (Disc 1 - New York) in the album list for single mode, and: Here And There for for set mode, as it already does. The track listings would probably have just: ...from Here And There (Disc 1 - New York) in single mode and: ...from Here And There (New York) for set mode. C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
