Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-08-07 Thread Mitch Harding
Well, nobody has tried Transporter yet outside of SD, so of course this is all speculation.On 8/6/06, rhyzome 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you don't already own a TV capable of accepting a PC input $400 would
get a decent 20 monitor retail - cheaper with rebates, etc. Seen FrontRow on 20 monitor (heck, even a 17 monitor)? Blows the snot out of SBvisibility / navigability (sic)My Fireface is mounted around the side of the rack towards the rear as
I don't have to see / otherwise manipulate it. The Mini is plentyeye-pleasing on the rack - and it ships with a remote. I'm guessing tooas regards the Transporter's ultimate audio abilities but jeez, you guys
don't even have any sort of assumption base to even start from. As Isaid if you've never tried it, you won't know I guess.--rhyzome
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-08-02 Thread Jacob Potter

On 8/2/06, rhyzome
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't doubt the Transporter will work for some, but equally I think a
Mac Mini or a silenced MITX machine + RME Fireface 400 will give equally
good audio results combined with a higher degree of flexibility - for
significantly less money, if the Transporter is $1999.


If it has a hard drive, it's not silent. :)

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-08-02 Thread Jacob Potter

On 8/2/06, radish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You say yourself that the La Scala is better
than the mini, it's simply my opinion that whilst the mini may well be
-good enough- (and probably would be for me, given the rest of my
system) I'd be amazed if it were -as good- as the Transporter - or even
an SB3 to be honest.


Er, I don't think anyone's suggesting the Mini's line output...
rhyzome's using an external Firewire DAC.

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-28 Thread kdf


On 27-Jul-06, at 11:16 PM, snarlydwarf wrote:



Heh, was just a joke, kdf..

yup...me too


the year of testing was just too much of a
straight line and Microsoft is always such an easy target.  Slimserver
even keeps most of the planned features.


yeah, but not the only only target.


But, really it's not like Slimserver is being used to guide the space
shuttle...


sean did say there were more surprises.  after all, with those who are 
certain that Transporter will be a flop, there has to be a revenue 
stream somehwere.
I heard Bush wants to get to the moon again.  They'll need music to 
pass the 6 days, surely.



It's certainly not perfect yet, but it has made a lot of
progress and is nearly there.

Won't be perfect on release either. It would be silly to claim 
otherwise. The feature set is more or less frozen already, but that 
doesn't mean the feature set is all announced yet. There is a lot to 
cover with what is already there.



Midseptember seems very feasible to me.  The number of issues that come
up depend really a lot on how many people try to install it in the last
few days before it is official: I expect most of the issues to be in
the install process.

oh yes, tricky issues there. as always with such large scale migration. 
Not to mention a much greater number of plugins in the wild that will 
need some careful rework in order to convert from 6.3.x to 6.5.  
Currently any that are using custom graphics are a sure fire crash.  I 
hope that authors make the effort to try 6.5 and work out the kinks.  
Not good if their all waiting for release.  Lots of people willing to 
help in the Dev forum for anyone who has questions on the new stuff.

-kdf

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-28 Thread Marc Sherman

dangerous_dom wrote:


I thought Aplha was a more advanced stage than beta?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Ben Sandee
On 7/27/06, tamanaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also think the current remote is fine basic remote. What I have beenlooking for is an improvement on the basic. If you're using a Universal
Remote instead of the SB remote then you paid for a remote that you'renot using. (Believe me, SD factored their cost of the remote in thefinal price of the SB)What, like $1? Seriously, that remote control does impact the price of a SB very much at all.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Ben Sandee
On 7/27/06, tamanaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ben Sandee Wrote: What, like $1?Seriously, that remote control does impact the price of
 a SB very much at all. BenUsing real cost analogy... for any of digital circuit components thatmakes up the SB3... not many of the components add up to impact theprice of the SB that much either. Regardless of the components cost, I
think the issue being discussed is about the possibility of a futureremote. A remote that can enhance the usabiltiy of the SB by providinga more natural way of navigating a large music library while allowing
you to control the rest of your AV system.I was responding specifically to your point that people are somehow throwing money down the toilet by being forced to buy a sub-par remote. The truth is that if SD added a higher end remote, people *would* need to pay for it (even if it were optional). However, the current remote is so cheap that you wouldn't see any appreciable price drop if it were dropped off the bundle.
I'm not arguing that there isn't a market for a more advanced remote but I think that if SD were to offer it, it would make the most sense to offer this as a sensibly-priced add-on product rather than creating different SB3 bundles with different remotes. That way all of their existing customers can take advantage of it as well and not feel like they wasted their money buying a $1 remote that they no longer need.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Mitch Harding
If you don't care what anyone says, this will be a dull discussion!On 7/27/06, dangerous_dom 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:break this product is Slimserver. i dont care what anyone says, it's
not looking too hot right now. I have tried some many 6.5's in the
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Mitch Harding
I agree SS has room for improvement. On the other hand, 6.3 is working fine for me. I had assumed that 6.5 was still in beta mode. Given that Transporter doesn't ship until September, I'd say that 6.5 still has some time to mature.
I'd prefer to see SS be more of an application than a web app, but I can understand the OS portability benefits of the current model. I'm on the fence.On 7/27/06, 
dangerous_dom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch Harding Wrote: If you don't care what anyone says, this will be a dull discussion! On 7/27/06, dangerous_dom  dangerous_dom.2bmhvn1154035501 (AT) no-mx (DOT) 
forums.slimdevices.com wrote:break this product is Slimserver. i dont care what anyone says, it's  not looking too hot right now. I have tried some many 
6.5's in the Esspecially with replies like that :PAnyway, you get my point. Or not it seems?--dangerous_dom
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Mitch Harding
It may not be SS job, but I do agree that some people may feel entitled to a slicker UI if they paid $2000 for the player. Whether that is justified or not is, of course, debatable.On 7/27/06, 
tomsi42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch Harding Wrote: I'd prefer to see SS be more of an application than a web app, but I can understand the OS portability benefits of the current model.I'm on the fence.]
OS Portability is a major issue for many people. So for the serveritself, I find the current model find.Another nice feature of the slimserver design is that it is possible toadd different front ends to it.
I will venture a guess that it is a more fancy/sexy/nice frontend thatmost want. Which isn't slimserver's job...Tom--tomsi42SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread Mitch Harding
Based on how I use my SB3, I'd love a UI that is similar to iTunes or WinAmp or such, where searching the library and building playlists is easier and faster. Ideally this would be OS agnostic, and also have a PDA/remote interface.
In practice, I think this is a tall order. And for me, it's not a dealbreaker. But I am head-over-heels in love with the SB3, so I am willing to accept a level of inconvenience with SS. If I was less enamoured of the SB3, I imagine I would be less tolerant of the rough edges of SS.
On 7/27/06, tomsi42 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Mitch Harding Wrote: It may not be SS job, but I do agree that some people may feel entitled
 to a slicker UI if they paid $2000 for the player.Whether that is justified or not is, of course, debatable.No problems with that.I am not sure how to create the slicker UI though. Should it be a fancy
remote (like Sonos), a software frontend (like moose, but OS agnostic)or implemented in the player itself ? In an ideal world it would be allof them.--tomsi42SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-27 Thread kdf


On 27-Jul-06, at 10:11 PM, snarlydwarf wrote:



radish Wrote:

On the other hand, some companies can spend a year or more in public
beta and still produce a sub-par end result.


:: cough :: Vista :: cough ::

just as bad as what ppl are doing here.  can't really slag a release 
that isn't released.


win95: now THAT was harsh after being the most tested software ever 
at the time.


win2k finally got something right (well, after SP1)

linux: always a work in progress.

osx: never crashesexcept when it does.

life still goes on, except for those who lose the will to live over 
minor software issues. I certainly don't

plan to take away a person's right to make that choice.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-26 Thread Mitch Harding
I must be the only one who finds the current SB remote to be fine. It does what it needs to do in order for me to enjoy the SB. Sure, if they made a souped up remote I might be interested, but I have no complaints with the existing one.
On 7/26/06, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:i wonder what music out there actually takes advantage of a $2k piece of
transporting hardware?i wonder if anyone would bother to take a double blind test b4 forkingover that kind of dough?i've been dating my other squeezebox for 5 years, and i'm stillblindly testing the waters.
i listen to a lot of older rock, it was recorded b4 digital.not muchhelp there.and remastering can often do more harm than good,(although the hendrix stuff sounds GREAT)i hope the next SB gets a better remote tho, the current one flat out
sucks.u can get the rca lyra for $20 shipped and it has a universalremote that works from anywhere in the house, (radio i assume).backlit would be nice, and a power button that actually cycles power,and a playlists button.
--MrSinatrawww.LION-Radio.orgUsing:Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.3.1 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-25 Thread Simon Still
Congratulations - this isn't for me (theres no way I could drop that much on a player) but it's a supurb product. With the stable, fast, Slimserver (lets hope) that is promised by 6.5 this will redefine the market.
I've never been a great fan of the industrial design of the squeezebox in either incarnation but this looks great. I love the curves on the case edge and whilst it wouldn't match any of my other kit it is more than any other the item to put on show. The row of identical buttons along the bottom don't suggest 'form follows function' has been the design mantra but look good.
Even the remote looks a cut above (and much more of a match for the SB3 than the current model - after market upgrade anyone?)The knob is cool, the twin displays will be full configurable (a new version of music info screensaver anyone?) and can be switched off for the minimalist look. 
It's a lot of money but not for an audiophile product. Those connections parts and case will have cost a packet. Heres hoping for the trickle down product before too long - same case and controls, standard SB3 parts inside. 300usd ;-) I'll dream on. ... 

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-25 Thread Marc Sherman

EnochLight wrote:

Am I the only one that has a major issue with this equipment costing
$2000?

I'm all about the new design and hardware, but... all of us knowing how
much it costs to build a high-end PC from scratch, even with a quality
soundcard and huge flat panel display... I feel that $2K is killing off
a huge amount of potential buyers.


Obviously, you're nowhere near the target market. I'm not either. I'm 
pretty sure SD's marketing department know what they're doing here.


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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-25 Thread Marc Sherman

CardinalFang wrote:


As I said a clean-looking, uncluttered standard sized audio component
with a graphical remote control. The transport would not have a DAC,
but would have high grade power supplies, components and socketry. With
it I'd want a Sonos-like remote so I can browse music from where I'm
sitting without needing binoculars.


Slim needs to come out with a snap on front plate that locks over top of 
the transporters front panel, hiding the displays, buttons, and the 
knob. All it needs is a logo painted on and an extension lens for the IR 
receiver. Since it's an audiophile accessory, they can charge $500 for 
it. :)


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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jacob Potter

On 7/24/06, Mark Lanctot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

bag|---cat


This is not, in fact, the first time the word Transporter has been
seen here; see the thread entitled SB4 and/or a high-end model,
when?

But it is the first time that pictures and a price tag have shown up. :)

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Mitch Harding
I want one. Any idea on when can we expect an official announcement?On 7/24/06, seanadams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That price is wrong
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Michael Herger

Clearly that's a bogus image... the remote is wrong. ;)


Why? Because it's lacking the tactile screen?

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Mitch Harding
The Audioholics press release has it at $1999:http://www.audioholics.com/news/pressreleases/SlimDevicesTransporter.phpMaybe they meant $19.99.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Mitch Harding
While I do agree that having a SqueezeBoomBox would be great, I'm also somewhat excited about this new product. The price point is the only thing that concerns me -- I'm having a hard time justifying this as a $2000 purchase. Even the $1100 price scares me. :) I think this has officially ruled me out as an audiophile. Part of me is hoping that both sites are off on the price -- if it was under $1000, then I'd have to start counting my pennies.
On 7/24/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, so it kind of looks like this thing's for real.Though I've been a huge Slim fan for years now, I gotta be honest, I'm
deflated. SqueezeBoomBox-- I'd preorder it today. Affordable SB4 withonboard knob--that at least makes my immediate wish list. But anaudiophile product at that price point? Unless I get one gratis, count
me way, way, way out. I couldn't give two licks about gold-platedcircuit boards.#!/ben--bklaasthe Nokia770 skin guy
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Pat Farrell

Mitch Harding wrote:
thing that concerns me -- I'm having a hard time justifying this as a 
$2000 purchase.  Even the $1100 price scares me.  :)  I think this has 
officially ruled me out as an audiophile. 


You bet, of course, listening to anything by vinyl starts excluding you,
as does paying less than $1000 for cables. :-)

But if you search the archives, there are zillions of folks who
want a SqueezeBox with more of an audiophile look or formfactor.

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Mitch Harding
Yeah -- there is definitely demand for this product. And I have to admit, although I am a fan of the current SB look, I think this new product looks pretty slick itself. It definitely has the audio component look that some people have been clamoring for.
On 7/24/06, Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mitch Harding wrote: thing that concerns me -- I'm having a hard time justifying this as a $2000 purchase.Even the $1100 price scares me.:)I think this has officially ruled me out as an audiophile.
You bet, of course, listening to anything by vinyl starts excluding you,as does paying less than $1000 for cables. :-)But if you search the archives, there are zillions of folks whowant a SqueezeBox with more of an audiophile look or formfactor.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Mitch Harding
Yes, but as there's no option to just buy the transporter (yet?), the effective price is still $1999 unless you were already planning to buy a SB3.I guess the 30 day guarantee is still in effect, so if you buy a transporter and don't feel it's worth the $1700 extra cost, then you can always return it.
I'm excited to see the new product, but I'm pretty sure I won't be purchasing one at that price, unless I get lucky in the lottery in the near future (and I'd have to be extremely lucky since I don't even purchase lottery tickets).
On 7/24/06, Michaelwagner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jacob Potter

On 7/24/06, Michaelwagner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 6:20PM EDT, it's on the Slim web site in all it's glory.

And it has a *knob*!


And RS-232 hmm. Wonder if it would be possible to hack RS232 into an SB2 :)

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jack Coates
On 7/24/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michaelwagner Wrote: Your 2 year old likes Beck? As in Jeff Beck?
 Or is there another Beck that appeals to 2 year olds?no no, the other Beck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck#Discography).She literally goes nuts when Que Onda Guero comes over the squeezebox.
My kids like Beck too, FWIW. I'm also not a target market type for this device, these days a car option would get my money in a heartbeat and a boombox would get it in two or three. Still, it's a great move for the company to claim the high-end market.
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jack Coates
On 7/24/06, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/24/06, bklaas 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michaelwagner Wrote: Your 2 year old likes Beck? As in Jeff Beck?
 Or is there another Beck that appeals to 2 year olds?no no, the other Beck (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck#Discography).She literally goes nuts when Que Onda Guero comes over the squeezebox.
My kids like Beck too, FWIW. I'm also not a target market type for this device, these days a car option would get my money in a heartbeat and a boombox would get it in two or three. Still, it's a great move for the company to claim the high-end market.
-- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional

Wow, just went and looked at the picture, that thing is GORGEOUS. Still ain't buying it, but it's really a beauty. Congratulations!-- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jacob Potter

On 7/24/06, Mark Lanctot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I wonder if this means any new capabilities for the SB3?  Maybe yes,
maybe no - the Transporter doesn't have the same CPU as the SB3.  The
specs for the Transporter list a 325 MIPS, 8-way multithreaded
processor.  The Ubicom 3023 in the SB3 is listed as 250 MIPS at 250
MHz.  The top-of-the-line Ubicom StreamEngine 5170 tops out at 270 MIPS
and is 10-way multithreaded.


I remember seeing somewhere that there was a 325 MHz IP3k chip. That's
probably what they're using. In any case, the RAM and Flash are the
same, so there's not that much difference between SB2/3 and
Transporter.


The unit must have fairly extensive firmware, getting away from the
slim device approach somewhat.  The digital input functionality and
dual screens must be controlled by firmware, no?  It would definitely
have different firmware than the SB3 due to its feature set.


The SB2 isn't really slim either - multiple decoders and
visualizers, direct streaming, DNS (Squeezenetwork in general), and so
on. Gone are the days of a pure-assembler firmware :)

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread kdf


On 24-Jul-06, at 7:38 PM, Mark Lanctot wrote:


Now the term Transporter is awfully long to type so it won't be long
before people start abbreviating it.  Let's come up with a suitable
abbreviation right here... TP?  Too much like toilet paper.  TR?
Maybe, but not intuitive enough.  Tporter?  Not enough of an
abbreviation.


trans = X XP?? :)

or perhaps TX

dual displays...
how about now playing info alongside vis.  I think there are a couple 
requests to go back and forth, so why not both at once?

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Jacob Potter

On 7/24/06, Mark Lanctot
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I should remember, the SB3 is not a discontinued product at all,
Transporter will sell beside it for the high-end market, so we can
still look forward to new SB2/3 features and fixes.


There's even some experimental work in 6.5 to improve performance /
reduce dropouts on the SB1.


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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Pat Farrell

EnochLight wrote:

Am I the only one that has a major issue with this equipment costing
$2000?

I'm all about the new design and hardware, but... all of us knowing how
much it costs to build a high-end PC from scratch, even with a quality
soundcard and huge flat panel display... I feel that $2K is killing off
a huge amount of potential buyers.


Not at all. It is aimed at audiophiles and they regularly
spend unimaginable amounts of money.

The Audiophile magazines regularly review turntables that cost
$10,000, and a favorite costs $75,000.

You're just not the target market.

You can't seriously talk about high-end PC and serious audio
in the same breath. As a minimum, serious audio requires
that the DAC be outside the PC chassis, PCs are terrible
places for quality analog stuff. See all the pro audio
gear that uses outboard chassis for their DAC and ADC.
Inside the PC with digital is fine, but analog has no
business inside with all the RF.

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Re: [slim] Re: New Slim Devices Product? The Transporter per 6moons.com??

2006-07-24 Thread Michael Herger

Now the term Transporter is awfully long to type so it won't be long
before people start abbreviating it.  Let's come up with a suitable
abbreviation right here...


Model T? Hmm... was once used for ... the first affordable automobile.

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