Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
I bought a cheap android tab and loaded the app, cheap and very easy Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Using Tapatalk ricky.huyser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
I've had a Transporter since 2006 when I purchased it. I also have 2-SB3s and a Duet. My Transporter has NEVER had a problem and I love how it sounds and looks!! That being said, I could part with it for the right price if anyone were interested#8230; just sayin'. Eric Seaberg - San Diego -A.E.S., S.M.P.T.E., S.P.A.R.S.- e...@seaberg.com Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Hi, maybe i'm the only one, but I wouldn't go for the Transporter! This is why mine died after about 3 years, and of course no service through Logitech! So on the Low End side I'm still going with Touch, Classic, Receiver... On the High End Side I switched to Linn. regards carrera SBClassic, Touch, Receiver eingelagert - Duet, Radio, Boom in Verwendung ansonsten iPeng, SqueezePad Server: Win7, Files: FLAC carrera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
really, you are much better off spending your money on a good external DAC, and feeding it from any SB - Touch or SB3. i used to want to buy a Transporter but all the spots where taken, and as i recently built my new system (see Pics of your system) i got a Benchmark DAC2HGC (which is superb), and used to feed it with the Touch but as of a few days ago connected an old SB3 with the original slim devices logo i had in a box. yes, i know the Touch supports 24/192 and the SB3 only does 48/24, but honestly i can't hear a difference. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine running Ubuntu 12.04 + LMS 7.7.3 on VMware Player System: SB Touch --optical-- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR-- Creek Destiny Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval-- KEF LS50 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic- AudioEngine5 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
I'd almost certainly go with a good async USB DAC as jitter is essentially removed from the equation. So a Touch with the EDO extension installed would be my preferred choice. Although I do quite like those tube displays... Listening Room: Squeezebox Touch (EDO) USB Hub USB Isolator Audiolab M-DAC Cyrus 6a KEF R100 Lounge: Squeezebox Classic Coax Arcam rDAC Marantz PM6002 BW 685 Kitchen: Squeezebox Boom Bedroom: Squeezebox Radio lordgibbness's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33390 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Another use for EDO is USB only DAC's . They are quite common , the idea behind them is to have good computer audio and USB is commonly found on computers . Now you can utilise such a product on a Touch . IMO it is quite silly to not have multiple inputs on a DAC , I like my products practical ie being able to conect all kinds of stuff and have spare inputs etc. But some USB DAC's are a bargain too . But I agree with Gary , it's not much content worthwhile availed exclusively 24/96 . ( if you can buy the 24/192 they often also sells 24/96 ). Another use is DoP files to a DSD capable DAC over USB , but that's even more niche . You basically have to chose file format over content to get a large enough collection of any of these formats . IMO audiophile labels is like putting the cart before the horse :) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
I have a Transporter as my main unit, with a Radio and a Duet servicing auxiliary spaces. I also have two Touches, as yet unused, in their boxes, awaiting deployment. Aside from sound quality issues (I am obviously not qualified from personal experience), I would say go for the Transporter for the build quality and the cool factor -- but if cost is a factor, it 's hard to see the Touch as a bad choice. Ron RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Yesfan70 wrote: I have a 3 Squeeze boxes (two v3 and one original), but have thought about adding a higher end player to my home theater room. I've always wanted the Transporter, but the Touch looks like a great player as well. Is there any advantages of one over the other? On another note, is there a chance another company might pick up the Squeezebox players and continue to sell them? I hate that Logitech pulled the plug on these wonderful players. Thanks everbody. If you can get your fingers in a Transporter then do that. It is build rock solid with high quality components. The Touch is toy electronics compared to the Transporter. The DAC in the Transporter sounds awesome. It is not the newest anymore and there is a lot of DAC's on the market now. Most of them may sound different, but do the sound BETTER ? You shall have a very fine setup before your Transporter will be The weak link. And to me it still looks awesome :) Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: SB-duet, Beresford TC7510 DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Yeah the transporter is high quality , the only thing that would worry me a bit in an old used unit is the VFD displays ( 2 of them ) . But if the price is rigth... A Toy quality thing like Touch can last a while too just wondering a bit about it's display quality . In any case , a hint I many others are using the displays on any squeezebox as little as possible to preserve lifetime . DAC quality , it basically flat-lined a decade ago imo :) I dont buy that high end press hype that you get revolutionary quality improvement every 2 months for a couple of k$ more . (another topic is high end dac's that sound radically -different- than either a tp or a touch ,but thats not hifi ) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Mnyb wrote: In any case , a hint I many others are using the displays on any squeezebox as little as possible to preserve lifetime . Yes, I use the BLANKSAVER plugin so that my Transporter displays are OFF when I'm not playing something. Mnyb wrote: DAC quality , it basically flat-lined a decade ago imo :) Agree and one can now spend much LESS money to get good quality DACs. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.7.2 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Thanks everybody for the replies. I like both, but I'm really sold on the cool factor of the Transporter. That's where I'm leaning. The Touch is cheaper (a plus), but not by much compared to it's price before Logitech stopped producing them. Can someone explain a little more about the EDO plugin on the Touch? What does that do? I'm not exactly PC savvy, so overlook my ignorance please. The biggest thing I worry about with another SB and the ones I have is if/when one of them dies. If I knew of someone or someplace that could repair them, like with the VDF display as mentioned, then I would feel a lot better about buying another one. I really like the looks of that Transporter. Yesfan70's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10314 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Yesfan70 wrote: Thanks everybody for the replies. I like both, but I'm really sold on the cool factor of the Transporter. That's where I'm leaning. The Touch is cheaper (a plus), but not by much compared to it's price before Logitech stopped producing them. Can someone explain a little more about the EDO plugin on the Touch? What does that do? I'm not exactly PC savvy, so overlook my ignorance please. The biggest thing I worry about with another SB and the ones I have is if/when one of them dies. If I knew of someone or someplace that could repair them, like with the VDF display as mentioned, then I would feel a lot better about buying another one. I really like the looks of that Transporter. Re the EDO plugin. It allows a TOUCH to (1) play 24/192 hires files (otherwise limited to 24/96 hires files) and (2) connect to certain DACs using USB out of the TOUCH. I have several touch players too but don't bother with EDO. Out of ~80,000 files I have less than 20 24/96 files and zero 24/192 files. (Note regular CDs are 16/44.1 files). I find the optical and S/PDIF digital outs of the TOUCH to be more than enough. In my opinion, the EDO is *not* a reason to go for the Touch over the Transporter unless you are really interested in the ability to feed a USB DAC or play 24/192 files. If you really like the Transporter, go for it. It's only money! I love mine. It looks great, it is well built with quality components, I really like the sound of the DAC, and it works nicely. Install the BLANKSAVER plugin so that the displays are OFF when not being used, and the thing should last forever. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.7.2 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
Yesfan70 wrote: I have a 3 Squeeze boxes (two v3 and one original), but have thought about adding a higher end player to my home theater room. I've always wanted the Transporter, but the Touch looks like a great player as well. Is there any advantages of one over the other? On another note, is there a chance another company might pick up the Squeezebox players and continue to sell them? I hate that Logitech pulled the plug on these wonderful players. Thanks everbody. I have both. I love the transporter and it is the SB player in my main system. But it is old technology at this point. If/When it dies, I'll replace it with one of my spare TOUCH players and a new DAC. I suspect you'd be better off pairing the TOUCH with a quality DAC of your choice. I use a TOUCH with a Benchmark DAC I (S/PDIF input) in one location and it is quite nice sounding. Regarding comparison: Both can do 24/96 natively. Both support optical, S/PDIF or analog. Touch can do 24/192 with Triode's EDO plugin. Touch can handle some formats natively that the Transporter requires LMS to transcode. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.7.2 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S (iPeng), iPad2 (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
It's just my opinion but previously I always wanted a transporter but in all honesty I'd go for a Touch in preference to the transporter. Mainly for the reasons given above and also for possible future upgrades with a DAC and the EDO plugin. Sent from my HUAWEI Y300-0100 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter or Touch?
I recently purchased a brand new SB Touch at a tidy profit for the seller. It will arrive shortly. I did consider a used Transporter. I think the Transporter has the higher cool factor, but the Touch will do nicely and should sound excellent in my system. I already have a SB or six, so the Touch lets me acquire a bit more extinct SB hardware and improve the sound in my main system, which currently sports a SB3. I started in 2003 with a SliMP3 in that same location. Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
MediaCenter;657379 Wrote: In addition to what's already been said, I like the form factor of TP, it looks nice in my av rack. I love nothing better then a large Av rack. -- jhonsber...@msn.com jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
amcluesent;657267 Wrote: If your amp has balanced inputs that's makes a significant improvement in sound quality when using the TP in my experience. Agreed in spades. IME balanced operation yields far more improvement than any amount of fiddling about with exotic interconnects or jitter reduction. But of course it's perfectly possible to team up a Touch with a DAC that has balanced outputs (Benchmark, Lavry, etc). Don't get me wrong, I love my Transporter, but it is now a legacy product. If it went bang tomorrow, it would be replaced with a Touch + DAC. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
If used as a transport only , the touch is as good or exceeds the TP. It's DAC is mediocre , however the Transporters dac is also not the best thing since sliced bead to some. The biggest problem using the touch is that its screen is not visible from far away , so you got to use a droid or Isomething as a remote control if you actually want to see whats playing etc , or you can also go low tech and use a pair of binoculars I have both , touch and old style transporter , if I think of what I paid for the transporter vs the touch's current price , I did not get great value. -- Rodney_Gold TP/Z-sys RDP1 digital Pre/Meridian DSP5500's Or TP/DSP5500's Touch/Emotiva X-DA1 dac/bryston 4bst/Canton Ergo 120 dc SB3/Meridian DSP5000's TP/ Emotiva X-da1/Woo Audio Wa2 Headphone amp/Sehneisser Hd800's Touch/KrK Ergo/KrK VXT8 actives + 10S sub The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
In addition to what's already been said, I like the form factor of TP, it looks nice in my av rack. -- MediaCenter Source Device: Transporter Room Correction + DAC + Preamp + Amplifiers: HK 990 Speakers: Magnepan 1.7 MediaCenter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32623 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
Soundquality don't evolve as fast as many audiophiles think . If a product was god last year it's still good now. Everybody always inflate , every small or non existent, improvement with superlatives as life changing huge improvements etc . As non one substantiate anything by any sort of structured scientific testing audiophile anecdotes does not have any information about the products performance at all. Somebody's subjective impression does not have any meaning outside that persons own mind. The only thing you can read from such review is that that person had a good or bad experience with the product not why or how. It can be a real improvement or placebo effect, but nobody knows, not even the person claiming this. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
If your amp has balanced inputs that's makes a significant improvement in sound quality when using the TP in my experience. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
amcluesent;657267 Wrote: If your amp has balanced inputs that's makes a significant improvement in sound quality when using the TP in my experience. Yes that has been my experience too. -- jhonsber...@msn.com jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
Thanks for the info. -- IRJ IRJ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7031 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
IRJ;657070 Wrote: Thanks for the info. you need both (at least). ;-) -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter versus Touch
This has been discussed extensively before, although not very recently. Obviously the TP's quality hasn't been eroded, but the Touch has certainly closed the gap between the cheaper SBs and the TP. A lot of people say that a Touch into a good outboard DAC can produce sound quality in the range of the TP, perhaps surpassing the TP with a good enough DAC. Do a forums search and you'll find plenty, mostly flame-free. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90294 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
