Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-21 Thread Michael Spencer 
I tried SQLite browser yesterday. It's got some nice functionality:

   - GUI for WHERE clauses on columns (think excel filter)
   - SQL composer
   - Can plot query results

I can imagine teaching could be quite powerful. e.g. showing a simple
filter via the GUI and then replicating it in SQL. You can demonstrate same
output in the embedded plot. You can then also show more complex queries in
SQL which you can't do via the GUI, and hence the reason why the SQL code
exists (and is still used).

On 14 November 2017 at 17:01, François Michonneau <
francois.michonn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Amy,
>
>   That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's
> going to happen in the next few weeks. It looks like many addons (including
> some very popular commercial ones) are incompatible with this new version
> of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons are going to catch
> up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to
> be the case for SQLite manager and this thread doesn't seem too promising:
> https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75
>
>   It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly
> recently released a cross-platform database interface named Falcon:
> https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version available from:
> https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest).
> sqlitebrowser (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is
> actively maintained and also cross-platform.
>
>   cheers,
>   -- François
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
> wrote:
>
>> I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite
>> Manager no longer works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the
>> option to Remove it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may
>> need to make a note in the lesson materials about the version people need
>> to use for the SQL lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it
>> easy to access downloads for older versions. I’m not finding it.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Amy
>>
>>
>>
>> Amy E. Hodge, PhD
>> *Science Data Librarian*
>>
>> amyho...@stanford.edu
>>
>> 650.556.5194 <(650)%20556-5194>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Data Management Services
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>> 397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Firefox 
>> *Reply-To: *Mozilla > html-241685816-1065730-...@e.mozilla.org>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
>> *To: *"Amy E. Hodge" 
>> *Subject: *Welcome to the new Firefox
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Firefox Quantum. New. Fast. Fierce.
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>>
>>
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>> the Web today to watch, listen, create and play without limits. We’re
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Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-17 Thread JACKSON Michael 
Hi folks,

I had a quick look at sqlitebrowser 
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser). It provides a Windows binary 
but, for Linux, unless you have Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch Linux, you may need to 
build it, which in turn needs CMake and Qt installed but according to the 
authors its "simple" (of course it is, shudder)

An alternative is sqlitestudio (https://sqlitestudio.pl/) which worked as-is on 
Windows and Ubuntu but rendered a corrupt GUI due to problems with other 
packages on SL7.

I'd agree with Alexey and Mario and vote for using the command-line tool. As 
attendees have to type in SQL commands regardless of whether they are using the 
command-line or a GUI, the only value-added of a GUI is better-rendered tables.

The fewer additional tools students have to download the better, especially 
those who are on slow internet connections, have older or more brittle 
computers, or wait until the morning on the course when internet access may be 
even more problematic.

cheers,
mike


From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org> on behalf of 
Alexey Shiklomanov <ashik...@bu.edu>
Sent: 15 November 2017 14:22
To: ANTONIOLETTI Mario
Cc: discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

I agree that command line SQL is the way to go, and I have seen it taught that 
way successfully. Similarly, I think we could emphasize the SQL APIs provided 
by the languages we teach. For instance, R's `dbplyr` package (part of the 
tidyverse) integrates wonderfully into the general tidyverse ecosystem, and 
requires very little additional cognitive overhead to grasp once the basic 
dplyr, etc. commands have been taught. I'm sure there are similar mature 
interfaces for Python.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Mario Antonioletti 
<m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi,
   I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by just 
using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why should SQL 
get special treatment when we are so purist about git? there are lots of good 
git clients out there but we insist that people do it on the command line yet 
for SQL it is different?

The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of people 
use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to install firefox if 
they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is also more consistent with the 
other lessons: bash, git, ...

Mario



On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:

Hi Amy,
  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next
few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
ones) are incompatible
with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons 
are going to catch
up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be 
the case for SQLite
manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a
cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version
available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). 
sqlitebrowser
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

  I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite 
Manager no longer
  works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.



  Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may 
need to make
  a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL
  lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for
  older versions. I’m not finding it.



  ~ Amy



  Amy E. Hodge, PhD
  Science Data Librarian

  amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

  650.556.5194

  [IMAGE] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<http://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>



Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305



From: Firefox <mozi...@e.mozilla.org<mailto:mozi...@e.mozilla.org>>
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Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
To: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amy

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-16 Thread Tyler Kelly 
Not sure you can download the older version, and when I updated fedora today 
Firefox upgraded to Firefox quantum.
It may not be easy to get students to install the old Firefox, especially if 
they already have a newer version of Firefox already installed.
Pale moon, cyberfox and Firefox ultimate are forks of the old Firefox that may 
be compatible with the sqllite manager.

Sent from my Windows 10 phone


From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org> on behalf of Mark 
Laufersweiler <lauf...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:09:58 AM
To: discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org
Cc: Mario Antonioletti
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

What about DB Browser as alternate tool? 
http://sqlitebrowser.org/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsqlitebrowser.org%2F=02%7C01%7Ctyler.kelly%40outlook.com%7C13244cad546b43f2df8e08d52c3b5dca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636463555849353068=DQfgserUTuD5rsGf0KWfvpjKlio2%2FVmjxRWNqvY49w0%3D=0>

I have is
-mjl


On Nov 15, at 8:53 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

Hi Mario,

For those already familiar with the command line, I think the method you 
describe could work well. However, many of the people who come to the SQL 
stand-alone workshops I teach based on our ecology lesson have never used the 
command line, and I think the overhead here would just be too much for them to 
learn both things simultaneously. If you are used to a GUI for everything, the 
Firefox extension has a much lower barrier to entry.

Even some who are familiar with the command line I think benefit from initial 
instruction in the GUI before shifting over.

And nearly everything requires new software installations, and installing 
Firefox is one of the easier things we ask people to install.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
650.556.5194
 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Forcid.org%2F-0002-5902-3077=02%7C01%7Ctyler.kelly%40outlook.com%7C13244cad546b43f2df8e08d52c3b5dca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636463555849353068=H3w3%2BlwOATymymZ2%2F34J8u%2FEHPRQ%2FAmaoAasPSTCsM0%3D=0>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

From: Mario Antonioletti 
<m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Mario Antonioletti 
<m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:14 AM
To: François Michonneau 
<francois.michonn...@gmail.com<mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>>, 
"discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>"
 
<discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox


Hi,
I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by
just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why
should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git?
there are lots of good git clients out there but we insist that
people do it on the command line yet for SQL it is different?

The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of
people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to
install firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is
also more consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...

Mario


On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:

Hi Amy,
  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next
few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
ones) are incompatible
with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons 
are going to catch
up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be 
the case for SQLite
manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: 
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flazierthanthou%2Fsqlite-manager%2Fissues%2F75=02%7C01%7Ctyler.kelly%40outlook.com%7C13244cad546b43f2df8e08d52c3b5dca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636463555849353068=koD6eyxuoHUCxuaM95OVwf3emjfUAo2Fh%2FDhFFF%2F5%2Bs%3D=0>

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a
cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplot.ly%2

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-16 Thread Alexey Shiklomanov 
I agree that command line SQL is the way to go, and I have seen it taught
that way successfully. Similarly, I think we could emphasize the SQL APIs
provided by the languages we teach. For instance, R's `dbplyr` package
(part of the tidyverse) integrates wonderfully into the general tidyverse
ecosystem, and requires very little additional cognitive overhead to grasp
once the basic dplyr, etc. commands have been taught. I'm sure there are
similar mature interfaces for Python.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Mario Antonioletti <
m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by
> just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why
> should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git? there are
> lots of good git clients out there but we insist that people do it on the
> command line yet for SQL it is different?
>
> The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of
> people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to install
> firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is also more
> consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...
>
> Mario
>
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:
>
> Hi Amy,
>>   That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's
>> going to happen in the next
>> few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular
>> commercial ones) are incompatible
>> with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these
>> addons are going to catch
>> up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going
>> to be the case for SQLite
>> manager and this thread doesn't seem too
>> promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75
>>
>>   It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly
>> recently released a
>> cross-platform database interface named Falcon: https://plot.ly/databa
>> se-connectors/ (Linux version
>> available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/
>> latest). sqlitebrowser
>> (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained
>> and also cross-platform.
>>
>>   cheers,
>>   -- François
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that
>> SQLite Manager no longer
>>   works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to
>> Remove it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but
>> we may need to make
>>   a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use
>> for the SQL
>>   lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to
>> access downloads for
>>   older versions. I’m not finding it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   ~ Amy
>>
>>
>>
>>   Amy E. Hodge, PhD
>>   Science Data Librarian
>>
>>   amyho...@stanford.edu
>>
>>   650.556.5194
>>
>>   [IMAGE] orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077
>>
>>
>>
>> Data Management Services
>> Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
>> 397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
>> Stanford University
>> Stanford, CA 94305
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Firefox 
>> Reply-To: Mozilla > html-241685816-1065730-...@e.mozilla.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
>> To: "Amy E. Hodge" 
>> Subject: Welcome to the new Firefox
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Firefox Quantum. New. Fast. Fierce.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   irefox
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   The new Firefox. Fast for good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Today we’re thrilled to introduce you to our brand new browser —
>> Firefox Quantum.
>>
>>   What you’ll notice first is that the new Firefox is blazing fast.
>> In fact, you’ll enjoy
>>speeds up to twice as fast as a year ago. It’s also more powerful.
>> We’ve rebuilt Firefox from
>>the ground up to focus on how you use the Web today to watch, listen,
>> create and play without
>> limits. We’re excited to deliver a browser that feels completely
>> different — modern, quick
>> and efficient. We think you’ll agree: It’s a quantum leap forward in
>> how you’ll experience
>>the internet.
>>
>>When you use Firefox, you’re also contributing to a movement to ensure
>> the internet remains a
>>global public resource, open and accessible to all. As an
>> independent, not-for-profit
>>organization, we’ve been committed since 2003 to building products
>> that put you in control of
>>  your online life and advancing open technology and public policy
>> that promote a healthier
>>   internet. We put you at the center of everything we
>> do.
>>
>>  On

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-15 Thread Amy E. Hodge 
That looks promising, Mark. I’ll check that out – maybe Friday, as I’m on for 
instructor training today and tomorrow.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
650.556.5194
[cid:image001.png@01D35DE4.E7FEF9D0] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

From: Mark Laufersweiler <lauf...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM
To: "discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org" 
<discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Cc: Mario Antonioletti <m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>, François Michonneau 
<francois.michonn...@gmail.com>, "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

What about DB Browser as alternate tool? http://sqlitebrowser.org/

I have is
-mjl



On Nov 15, at 8:53 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

Hi Mario,

For those already familiar with the command line, I think the method you 
describe could work well. However, many of the people who come to the SQL 
stand-alone workshops I teach based on our ecology lesson have never used the 
command line, and I think the overhead here would just be too much for them to 
learn both things simultaneously. If you are used to a GUI for everything, the 
Firefox extension has a much lower barrier to entry.

Even some who are familiar with the command line I think benefit from initial 
instruction in the GUI before shifting over.

And nearly everything requires new software installations, and installing 
Firefox is one of the easier things we ask people to install.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
650.556.5194
 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

From: Mario Antonioletti 
<m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
Reply-To: Mario Antonioletti 
<m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk<mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:14 AM
To: François Michonneau 
<francois.michonn...@gmail.com<mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>>, 
"discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>"
 
<discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox


Hi,
I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by
just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why
should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git?
there are lots of good git clients out there but we insist that
people do it on the command line yet for SQL it is different?

The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of
people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to
install firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is
also more consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...

Mario


On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:

Hi Amy,
  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next
few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
ones) are incompatible
with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons 
are going to catch
up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be 
the case for SQLite
manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a
cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version
available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). 
sqlitebrowser
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

   I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite 
Manager no longer
   works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.


   Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we 
may need to make
   a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL
   lessons. Right now I’m seeing

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-15 Thread Mark Laufersweiler 
What about DB Browser as alternate tool? http://sqlitebrowser.org/ 
<http://sqlitebrowser.org/>

I have is
-mjl


> On Nov 15, at 8:53 AM, Amy E. Hodge <amyho...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mario,
>  
> For those already familiar with the command line, I think the method you 
> describe could work well. However, many of the people who come to the SQL 
> stand-alone workshops I teach based on our ecology lesson have never used the 
> command line, and I think the overhead here would just be too much for them 
> to learn both things simultaneously. If you are used to a GUI for everything, 
> the Firefox extension has a much lower barrier to entry.
>  
> Even some who are familiar with the command line I think benefit from initial 
> instruction in the GUI before shifting over.
>  
> And nearly everything requires new software installations, and installing 
> Firefox is one of the easier things we ask people to install.
>  
> ~ Amy
>  
> Amy E. Hodge, PhD
> Science Data Librarian
> amyho...@stanford.edu <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
> 650.556.5194
>  orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077 
> <https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>
>  
> Data Management Services
> Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
> 397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
> Stanford University
> Stanford, CA 94305
>  
> From: Mario Antonioletti <m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk 
> <mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
> Reply-To: Mario Antonioletti <m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk 
> <mailto:m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>>
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:14 AM
> To: François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>>, 
> "discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org 
> <mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>" 
> <discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org 
> <mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox
>  
>  
> Hi,
> I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by
> just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why
> should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git?
> there are lots of good git clients out there but we insist that
> people do it on the command line yet for SQL it is different?
>  
> The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of
> people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to
> install firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is
> also more consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...
>  
> Mario
>  
>  
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:
>  
>> Hi Amy,
>>   That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going 
>> to happen in the next
>> few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
>> ones) are incompatible
>> with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these 
>> addons are going to catch
>> up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to 
>> be the case for SQLite
>> manager and this thread doesn't seem too
>> promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75 
>> <https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75>
>>  
>>   It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly 
>> recently released a
>> cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
>> https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ <https://plot.ly/database-connectors/> 
>> (Linux version
>> available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest 
>> <https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest>). sqlitebrowser
>> (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser 
>> <https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser>) is actively maintained and 
>> also cross-platform.
>>  
>>   cheers,
>>   -- François
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge <amyho...@stanford.edu 
>> <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:
>>  
>>I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite 
>> Manager no longer
>>works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
>> Remove it.
>>  
>>  
>>Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we 
>> may need to make
>>a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use 
>> for the SQL
>>

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-15 Thread Amy E. Hodge 
Hi Mario,

For those already familiar with the command line, I think the method you 
describe could work well. However, many of the people who come to the SQL 
stand-alone workshops I teach based on our ecology lesson have never used the 
command line, and I think the overhead here would just be too much for them to 
learn both things simultaneously. If you are used to a GUI for everything, the 
Firefox extension has a much lower barrier to entry.

Even some who are familiar with the command line I think benefit from initial 
instruction in the GUI before shifting over.

And nearly everything requires new software installations, and installing 
Firefox is one of the easier things we ask people to install.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
650.556.5194
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From: Mario Antonioletti <m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Mario Antonioletti <m.antoniole...@epcc.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:14 AM
To: François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu>, 
"discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org" <discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox


Hi,
I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by
just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why
should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git?
there are lots of good git clients out there but we insist that
people do it on the command line yet for SQL it is different?

The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of
people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to
install firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is
also more consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...

Mario


On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:

Hi Amy,
  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next
few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
ones) are incompatible
with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons 
are going to catch
up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be 
the case for SQLite
manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a
cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version
available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). 
sqlitebrowser
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

   I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite 
Manager no longer
   works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.


   Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we 
may need to make
   a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL
   lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for
   older versions. I’m not finding it.


   ~ Amy


   Amy E. Hodge, PhD
   Science Data Librarian

   amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

   650.556.5194

   [IMAGE] orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077

Data Management Services
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397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

From: Firefox <mozi...@e.mozilla.org<mailto:mozi...@e.mozilla.org>>
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Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
To: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>>
Subject: Welcome to the new Firefox

Get Firefox Quantum. New. Fast. Fierce.

   irefox


   The new Firefox. Fast for good.

  Today we’re thrilled to introduce you to our brand new browser — 
Firefox Quantum.

   What you’ll notice first is that the new Firefox is blazing fast. In 
fact, you’ll enjoy
speeds up to twice as fast as a year ago. It’s also more powerful. We’ve 
rebuilt Firefox from
the ground up to

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-15 Thread Mario Antonioletti 


Hi,
   I have previously taught the SQL lesson successfully, I thought, by 
just using the command line. I feel there is an incongruity here - why 
should SQL get special treatment when we are so purist about git? 
there are lots of good git clients out there but we insist that 
people do it on the command line yet for SQL it is different?


The reason why I went with the command line was the fact that lots of 
people use ie (now edge) or chrome - why should we expect people to 
install firefox if they want to learn SQL? Using the command line is 
also more consistent with the other lessons: bash, git, ...


Mario


On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, François Michonneau wrote:


Hi Amy,
  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next
few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very popular commercial 
ones) are incompatible
with this new version of firefox. I assume that the developers of these addons 
are going to catch
up and make them compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be 
the case for SQLite
manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a
cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version
available from: https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). 
sqlitebrowser
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge  wrote:

  I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite 
Manager no longer
  works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.



  Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may 
need to make
  a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL
  lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for
  older versions. I’m not finding it.



  ~ Amy



  Amy E. Hodge, PhD
  Science Data Librarian

  amyho...@stanford.edu

  650.556.5194

  [IMAGE] orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077



Data Management Services
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Stanford University
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Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Raniere Silva 
Hi Amy,

Thanks for the issue.

A pull request to https://github.com/swcarpentry/workshop-template would be 
welcome.

Maneesha,

Sorry to copy on this email. Please redirect my request to the correct person. 
Could you contact the leader instructor of workshops in the short future that 
will teach SQL and mention this thread to
them?

Raniere
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Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Waldman, Simon 
We should definitely not be encouraging learners to use an unsupported version 
of their browser, for security reasons. For now the ESR version is OK, but IIRC 
Firefox doesn't like having multiple versions installed at once - and 
realistically we can't ask all our leaners to stay on the ESR version just for 
the benefit of SQLite Mgr. In any case, the ESR is a temporar solution for 6-7 
months until it leaves support.

From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org] On Behalf 
Of Vilbig, Kevin P
Sent: 14 November 2017 17:13
To: François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com>; Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu>
Cc: discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox


You can also continue using an older version of Firefox. There is no necessary 
reason to upgrade immediately.


From: Discuss 
<discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org>>
 on behalf of François Michonneau 
<francois.michonn...@gmail.com<mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:01:57 AM
To: Amy E. Hodge
Cc: 
discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

Hi Amy,

  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very 
popular commercial ones) are incompatible with this new version of firefox. I 
assume that the developers of these addons are going to catch up and make them 
compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be the case for 
SQLite manager and this thread doesn't seem too promising: 
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version available from: 
https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). sqlitebrowser 
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite Manager no 
longer works - it's automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.



Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may need 
to make a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL lessons. Right now I'm seeing that they haven't made it easy to access 
downloads for older versions. I'm not finding it.



~ Amy



Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian

amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

650.556.5194<tel:(650)%20556-5194>

[cid:image001.png@01D35D71.1CAF3B50] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>



Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305



From: Firefox <mozi...@e.mozilla.org<mailto:mozi...@e.mozilla.org>>
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Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
To: "Amy E. Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>>
Subject: Welcome to the new Firefox



Get Firefox Quantum. New. Fast. Fierce.


[irefox]<https://click.e.mozilla.org/?qs=e6d286535596ede6a22150d0caea6efce0a90bb441be2335ab0e72dbd9f8211da97c982b995b4aff4a40b0c5d9bfe3b51a3a725c31532f87>





The new Firefox. Fast for good.



Today we're thrilled to introduce you to our brand new browser - Firefox 
Quantum.

What you'll notice first is that the new Firefox is blazing fast. In fact, 
you'll enjoy speeds up to twice as fast as a year ago. It's also more powerful. 
We've rebuilt Firefox from the ground up to focus on how you use the Web today 
to watch, listen, create and play without limits. We're excited to deliver a 
browser that feels completely different - modern, quick and efficient. We think 
you'll agree: It's a quantum leap forward in how you'll experience the internet.

When you use Firefox, you're also contributing to a movement to ensure the 
internet remains a global public resource, open and accessible to all. As an 
independent, not-for-profit organization, we've been committed since 2003 to 
building products that put you in control of your online life and advancing 
open technology and public policy that promote a healthier internet. We put you 
at the center of everything we do.

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Rémi E . 

Hi all,

a quick comment: old versions of firefox are well handled and maintained 
(and called ESR), so we are safe for some time (but participants will 
have to download and unzip an additional version.


(another formulation, from the issue)


When Firefox 57 rolls out, people that need a supported browser but 
don't want to lose access to SQLite Manager can probably use Firefox 
ESR (Extended Support Release):


https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/



Cheers,
Rémi


On 14/11/2017 18:36, Amy E. Hodge wrote:


Great. Thanks, Karen.

Kevin, my concern is that I often come across learners that don’t have 
Firefox installed who might have trouble locating a compatible version 
for the SQL lesson, or who use Firefox and won’t know that they 
shouldn’t upgrade and overwrite the version they have, because they 
don’t know they’ll sign up for this workshop next week/month/whatever.


~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
/Science Data Librarian/

amyho...@stanford.edu <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

650.556.5194

orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077 <https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

*From: *Karen Cranston <karen.crans...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 9:21 AM
*To: *"Vilbig, Kevin P" <kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu>
*Cc: *François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com>, "Amy E. 
Hodge" <amyho...@stanford.edu>, "discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org" 
<discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>

*Subject: *Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

Thanks, Amy! I've created an issue in the repo with suggestions for 
short term (updating setup instructions) and long term (finding 
alternatives) solutions.


https://github.com/datacarpentry/sql-ecology-lesson/issues/199

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:14 PM Vilbig, Kevin P 
<kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu <mailto:kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu>> wrote:


You can also continue using an older version of Firefox. There is
no necessary reason to upgrade immediately.



*From:*Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org
<mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org>> on behalf
of François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com
<mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:01:57 AM
*To:* Amy E. Hodge
*Cc:* discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org
    <mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
*Subject:* Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

Hi Amy,

That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor
what's going to happen in the next few weeks. It looks like many
addons (including some very popular commercial ones) are
incompatible with this new version of firefox. I assume that the
developers of these addons are going to catch up and make them
compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be the
case for SQLite manager and this thread doesn't seem too
promising: https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that
plotly recently released a cross-platform database interface named
Falcon: https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version
available from:
https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest).
sqlitebrowser (https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is
actively maintained and also cross-platform.

cheers,

  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge
<amyho...@stanford.edu <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that
SQLite Manager no longer works – it’s automatically disabled
and only gives me the option to Remove it.

Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while,
but we may need to make a note in the lesson materials about
the version people need to use for the SQL lessons. Right now
I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access downloads
for older versions. I’m not finding it.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
/Science Data Librarian/

amyho...@stanford.edu <mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

650.556.5194 <tel:%28650%29%20556-5194>

orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077
<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

*From: *Firefox <mozi...@e.mozilla.org
<mailto:mozi...@e.mozilla.org>>
*Reply-To: *Mozilla
&

Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Amy E. Hodge 
Great. Thanks, Karen.

Kevin, my concern is that I often come across learners that don’t have Firefox 
installed who might have trouble locating a compatible version for the SQL 
lesson, or who use Firefox and won’t know that they shouldn’t upgrade and 
overwrite the version they have, because they don’t know they’ll sign up for 
this workshop next week/month/whatever.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>
650.556.5194
[cid:image001.png@01D35D2C.04046F20] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

From: Karen Cranston <karen.crans...@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 9:21 AM
To: "Vilbig, Kevin P" <kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu>
Cc: François Michonneau <francois.michonn...@gmail.com>, "Amy E. Hodge" 
<amyho...@stanford.edu>, "discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org" 
<discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

Thanks, Amy! I've created an issue in the repo with suggestions for short term 
(updating setup instructions) and long term (finding alternatives) solutions.

https://github.com/datacarpentry/sql-ecology-lesson/issues/199


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:14 PM Vilbig, Kevin P 
<kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu<mailto:kevin.vil...@mavs.uta.edu>> wrote:

You can also continue using an older version of Firefox. There is no necessary 
reason to upgrade immediately.


From: Discuss 
<discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org>>
 on behalf of François Michonneau 
<francois.michonn...@gmail.com<mailto:francois.michonn...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:01:57 AM
To: Amy E. Hodge
Cc: 
discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org<mailto:discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

Hi Amy,

  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very 
popular commercial ones) are incompatible with this new version of firefox. I 
assume that the developers of these addons are going to catch up and make them 
compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be the case for 
SQLite manager and this thread doesn't seem too promising: 
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version available from: 
https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). sqlitebrowser 
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite Manager no 
longer works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.



Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may need 
to make a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for older versions. I’m not finding it.



~ Amy



Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian

amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>

650.556.5194<tel:(650)%20556-5194>

[cid:image001.png@01D35D25.1BA30D00] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077<https://orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077>



Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305



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Re: [Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Vilbig, Kevin P 
You can also continue using an older version of Firefox. There is no necessary 
reason to upgrade immediately.


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Hi Amy,

  That's a good point. It's going to be interesting to monitor what's going to 
happen in the next few weeks. It looks like many addons (including some very 
popular commercial ones) are incompatible with this new version of firefox. I 
assume that the developers of these addons are going to catch up and make them 
compatible. However, it's not clear if it's also going to be the case for 
SQLite manager and this thread doesn't seem too promising: 
https://github.com/lazierthanthou/sqlite-manager/issues/75

  It might be a good idea to explore alternatives. I saw that plotly recently 
released a cross-platform database interface named Falcon: 
https://plot.ly/database-connectors/ (Linux version available from: 
https://github.com/plotly/falcon-sql-client/releases/latest). sqlitebrowser 
(https://github.com/sqlitebrowser/sqlitebrowser) is actively maintained and 
also cross-platform.

  cheers,
  -- François

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Amy E. Hodge 
<amyho...@stanford.edu<mailto:amyho...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite Manager no 
longer works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.



Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may need 
to make a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for older versions. I’m not finding it.



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[Discuss] FW: Welcome to the new Firefox

2017-11-14 Thread Amy E. Hodge 
I just downloaded the new Firefox Quantum and discovered that SQLite Manager no 
longer works – it’s automatically disabled and only gives me the option to 
Remove it.

Hopefully the older version we still be available for a while, but we may need 
to make a note in the lesson materials about the version people need to use for 
the SQL lessons. Right now I’m seeing that they haven’t made it easy to access 
downloads for older versions. I’m not finding it.

~ Amy

Amy E. Hodge, PhD
Science Data Librarian
amyho...@stanford.edu
650.556.5194
[cid:image001.png@01D35D25.1BA30D00] 
orcid.org/-0002-5902-3077

Data Management Services
Branner Earth Sciences Library, 212 Mitchell
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
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Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 8:36 AM
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Subject: Welcome to the new Firefox

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The new Firefox. Fast for good.


Today we’re thrilled to introduce you to our brand new browser — Firefox 
Quantum.

What you’ll notice first is that the new Firefox is blazing fast. In fact, 
you’ll enjoy speeds up to twice as fast as a year ago. It’s also more powerful. 
We’ve rebuilt Firefox from the ground up to focus on how you use the Web today 
to watch, listen, create and play without limits. We’re excited to deliver a 
browser that feels completely different — modern, quick and efficient. We think 
you’ll agree: It’s a quantum leap forward in how you’ll experience the internet.

When you use Firefox, you’re also contributing to a movement to ensure the 
internet remains a global public resource, open and accessible to all. As an 
independent, not-for-profit organization, we’ve been committed since 2003 to 
building products that put you in control of your online life and advancing 
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at the center of everything we do.

On behalf of Mozilla's global community, we're proud to introduce you to the 
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Firefox.
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