[discuss] XForms Support in OOo2 - a blog post
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[discuss] Re: New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Peter Kupfer wrote: Enrique wrote: I can imagine that another change that's annoying me can be traced to "make it work as MSO". Now there is no Arrows toolbar in Impress. But PowerPoint *do* have an arrow tool. With this change we have lost "dimension lines " in impress. Have you tried the *Line & Filling* toolbar. I have posted a picture at http://www.openoffice.peschtra.com/line_toolbar.png. The big red arrow points right at it. It is under the standard toolbar. You can do whatever you want with it. For instance, after drawing the red and the turquoise lines (They started as black) I made all of the changes to them with this toolbar! Try it! Hi Peter, of course I know this toolbar. But if you have to add a lot of arrows and other lines without arroheads in a slide , it is more handy to have an icon for Lines (plain lines without decorations and ends), another icon for Arrows and even another for both-ends arrows. 1.1.4 did have separate tools ready to use, and using less screen space!! I am not saying that you cannot change the appearance of a line a posteriori. Simply that the previous interface was better for this particular task. What I *DO* say is that it is impossible to draw a "dimensioning line" within 2.0 Impress. What upset me is that the capacity is thre, Draw can do it. Its simply that UI designers or developers has forgotten the Arrows toolbar within Impress. - Enrique - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: The new OpenOffice Impress: all that glitters is gold?
Peter Kupfer wrote: Enrique wrote: I miss the old long-click toolboxes, this is bloodyly true in Impress and Draw. There are just NO menu items to insert several drawing objects. Where are the menu items to insert drawing shapes in 1.1.4? The point is that as there are no menu items (neither in 1.14 nor 2.0) for that toolbar buttons are absolutely essential. They are the only to actually add some drawing They can be added ONLY from toolbar buttons. And the initial Tools toolbar or Impress is crowded with new Shapes (some as useful for professional work as hearts, pointed stars, rolled papers etc), but some regular items are "lost in translation". What is a *Tools* toolbar? OK, my fault, it is the "Drawing" toolbar Callouts: they are in the Text toolbar, but this Toolbar is not displeyed unless you know it is there. We know most users do not configure interface at all. The new callout shapes has some fancy shapes, but it lacks the old-style line callouts. Actually, both connector (Line callouts I think as you call them) and the callouts with fancy shapes are available in the draw toolbar which is open on the bottom of the screen by default when you open Impress. No, a connector is not a callout. In 1.1.4 "callout" is the third button in the "text" toolbox in teh Drawing toolbar. A callout looks like a box for text with a line that points to somewhere. You can have this line ending as an arrowhead. I know the toolbox you mention. It has several fancy callouts. But it DO NOT have a button for the unique callout object availabel in 1.1.4 (actually, there is a button for this drawing object, but it is included in the Text toolbox). Thsi is at least inconsistent. I am a teacher, so I use those callouts a lot. New "Line 1", "line 2" callouts are useless: The line is actually several lines: if you set an arrow end, you will find several arrow ends in middle of eth lien, not just at line end. (i am filling a bug) I don't understand what you are saying. What are trying to do that you can't? My typing is not very good when I type too fast. I am sorry. I have retry it and the problem appears only with the callout called "Line Callout 2" . This is a text box with a kinked line (a line with an angle) attached. If you select and arrowhead as line end, you will see that the line is not a polygonal line (one start and one end) but actually to lines held together. So you get an arrowhead pointing to the angle. Archs: Again, circle and ellipse archs are now hidden in their own toolbar. Why are those items not callable from teh main toolbar? Both in the draw toolbar. Not at all. In the Basic Shapes toolbox you have filled circles and ellipses, and circel pies. But not arcs. An arc is a line (not a filled area). They are very handy to make round circular arrows (trust me, a lot of processes in chemistry and biology do need circle arcs arrows) Arcs are in the Circles and Ovals toolbar, which is not visible from start. You need to know it exists and make it visible. In 1.1.4 they were availabe as default, in the ellipse toolbox. 3d Objects: The same as Archs Make a shape with the draw toolbar. *Right click > Convert > To 3D* Not sure where it was in 1.1.4, but it took me 4 clicks in 2.0. And could be done with just one click in 1.1.4 and 2.0. In 1.1.4 one of the entries in the Drawing toolbar was the "3d objects". Now in 2.0 we have "Basic Shapes" and the other shapes, why put 3d objects in a separate toolbar? Arrows: There is a toolbar for lines and arrows with diffrent ending, as well as dimension lines. But the amazing thing is that I have not seen a way to actually open that toolbar, even knowing it exists. It is not listed in the View>toolbars menu, nor can be adden to an existing toolbar. The *line and filing* toolbar is open by default under the standard toolbar when Impress opens. Peter, have you tried to draw a "dimensioning line" in OOo 2.0 Impress? It's impossible: there is no toolbutton to do that. If you go to Draw and go to View>toolbars, you will find an "Arrows" toolbar, and there the tools that in 1.1.4 were readily available in both Draw and Impress. Now that toolbar cannot be accesed from Impress. So, the main questions would be: Why the first item in the Tool toolbar (rectangle, ellipse and text) are not toolboxes ? The first one is kind of quick button to just make a quick shape. Right down the line in the *Draw* toolbar (what you call the Tool tool bar) is the toolbox for all shapes, labeled basic shapes, it is a diamond by default. But my point is that there is no point in having separate buttons for "the quick draw shape" and afterwards the "Basic Shapes toolbox". With the 1.1.4 behaviour you had both in the same space. The key point is that 1.1.4 could remember the last item selected in a toolbox. So you had the placeholder for "Rectangle shapes", you selected a Square and that become the icon showed in the toolbar. If you needed to
RE: [discuss] openoffice security
> This security should be on two levels - lower which allows > changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever > being made. If the contents of a document can be decrypted in order to view it theres no way to then lock it against changes, or prevent people printing it etc, using open source code. However it should be relatively easy to automatically compare signed documents (storing the signatures in a database) with newly opened documents, and pop up a message, eg "this document was signed by you on dd/mm/, and is a valid copy" if you didn't get such a message you would know the document had been tampered with. You could even have corporate signature database eg this document was signed by your boss, coworker etc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Ver 2.0 Beta (1.9.79) Mail Merge
On 6 Mar 2005 at 19:26, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Just for information, here is a macro that will merge the mailing > result in only one file. It's only in French, but basically, you just > have to indicate the directory where the file to be merge are. > http://fr.openoffice.org/Documentation/Macros/FusionneDocuments.sxw > Thanks Sophie, I'll give it a try. However, it does not make things easir for the ordinary user of OO.o, who is the person I have in mind. The problem with the new Wizard is that it is the only way to easily get the multi letter file. But there are lots of scenarios, particularly in the business world (which I'm sure we would all like to see OO.o used in) where the Wizard would fall short of what is needed. Here are my particular observations: 1) When you choose a data source that is different from the standard set of items used by the Wizard, you can specify a filter. But when the merge is done you still get the whole data set. The spec does not ask for the filter to be applied - perhaps that is why it is not used, but then why have the filter in the first place. 2) If you have a non-standard data source, you have to still use the standard data items the address block dialog, then relate them to your non-standard items in an arbitrary way. Even the spec says this may be difficult for users to comprehend. 3) The salutation (aka Greeting) dialog misses the point altogether. In my experience I have to decide quite precisely what to use on a person by person basis which cuts across any rules based on gender. People you don't know are quite happy to be adressed as 'Mr Smith' or 'Mrs Jones', but someone you do know would be quite offended by that. They would want you to use their first name, 'John' or 'Jane'. This mixture of formal and informal slutations cannot be handled by the Wizard. 4) There is no help for inserting data other than Address and Greeting in the Wizard. In my case, I would always want to insert the salutation. In business you may want to insert all sorts of data items. If you were the secretary of a club, you may want to insert a membership number. I know you can do it at the Prepare Merge stage by doing Edit Document then using Insert > Fields > Other > Database > Mailmerge fields, but the Wizard could be more helpful somehow. 5) I can get round a lot of the problems with the Wizard by using the standard Mail Merge option (which I have to put on the menu myself), but then I don't get the multi letter document option. These are just a few 'first look' issues. I'm sure there are more. I'm passionate about mail merge (I have used it intensively - it is a great productivity tool) and I'm passionate about OO.o. But as far as I can see, unless we do better, people like me will still keep going back to MS Office. Tony Pursell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Tipping point (Was: Doc Searls' audio)
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 21:31, p cooper wrote: > coming into this a bit late - sorry > its not very straightforward. The first TP will be when the opposition > cant ignore you. With MS this will be when they significantly drop their > business prices. They have already done this in UK schools. > IMO they aren't bothered about piracy for home use - > keeps the workers tied to MS products and keeps the TCO argument in > their favour. > the main TP will be when business users don't give the money to MS. > Thats a much harder battle, particularly when the business price has > come down and the TCO/training issues is tilted towards MS because > business users take software home 'for free' . > Also Where I work MS have a home software initiative and I could buy a > licensed copy of MS office for £18 ( but it doenst run on gentoo linux ;-) And its £18 more expensive tha OO.o. The British Education Communications Technology Agency in the UK will be publishing a TCO research finding s from TCO in schools this month. It shows that their are big savings for schools using FLOSS and that software license costs are the least significant part of that saving. On that basis, even if MS make Windows and Office free to schools, schools would be better off using GNU/Linux and OpenOffice.org. -- Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Tipping point (Was: Doc Searls' audio)
On Sunday 06 March 2005 13:31, p cooper wrote: > coming into this a bit late - sorry > its not very straightforward. The first TP will be when the > opposition cant ignore you. With MS this will be when they > significantly drop their business prices. IMO they aren't > bothered about piracy for home use - keeps the workers tied to > MS products and keeps the TCO argument in their favour. > the main TP will be when business users don't give the money to > MS. Thats a much harder battle, particularly when the business > price has come down and the TCO/training issues is tilted > towards MS because business users take software home 'for free' . > Also Where I work MS have a home software initiative and I could > buy a licensed copy of MS office for £18 ( but it doenst run on > gentoo linux ;-) Could I please post your email on the front page of the Digital Tipping Point website? http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Ver 2.0 Beta (1.9.79) Mail Merge
On 6 Mar 2005 at 16:26, Peter Kupfer wrote: > > > > Before I sound off on all the problems I have found, let me ask if > > this is the correct list to do it on. I really need to discuss my > > ideas of what is wrong and find out to what extent things could be > > changed at this rather late stage of development. > > > > > Better would be the users list, I think. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Having read some of the other posts on this list, they seem to be discussing 2.0 Beta issues. I've subscribed to the users list and that seems more appropriate to users of the current release who want help. I want to try and influence development of a future release. Tony Pursell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Enrique wrote: I can imagine that another change that's annoying me can be traced to "make it work as MSO". Now there is no Arrows toolbar in Impress. But PowerPoint *do* have an arrow tool. With this change we have lost "dimension lines " in impress. Have you tried the *Line & Filling* toolbar. I have posted a picture at http://www.openoffice.peschtra.com/line_toolbar.png. The big red arrow points right at it. It is under the standard toolbar. You can do whatever you want with it. For instance, after drawing the red and the turquoise lines (They started as black) I made all of the changes to them with this toolbar! Try it! Actually, the "expandable" items in MSO Powerpoint Drawing toolbar *DO* remember the last selected item. The "triangle expandable" itehts thers are the fill and font color tools. They do change to reflect the last color selected. In fact, only Shapes toolboxes behave in the "handicapped" way. Why should OOo copy a bad design from MSO if ours is more logical and better? Make sure you know the motivation and rationale before you say we are copying MS Office. I feel that in some ways we are. In some ways this is good, in others, bad. Find out the motivation first, then start saying those things. For now, file issues, raise your voice and be heard. But, first, make sure the functionality that you want is missing. Before you go around saying it isn't there, ask. Try the things I have suggested and see if that stuff is really all "missing." Have a good one, -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Enrique wrote: Ain Vagula wrote: Long click works exactly as before, when you long-click on button, not on arrow. At least here in m83. m83? I have downloaded OOo 2.0 beta and it is labeled 1.9.79. On the other hand, it is not long-click the point, but that old toolboxes remembered the last selected item. Why not the new ones? In addition, why now we only have line, rectagle, ellipse and text tools as the first items of the Drawing toolbar?. With the old behaviour we had also circles and arrows an callouts there, in the same space. - Enrique - I have filed an issue to request remembering. Go vote and comment. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=44262 As for the other things, please look to the right. All of the shapes you want are there, you just need to spend some time and look. -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Ver 2.0 Beta (1.9.79) Mail Merge
Tony Pursell wrote: I have been waiting for this new version to do mail merge with OO.o because of the way 1.1 saves each letter to a different file. (I have on merge I do of 60+ letters, so this is just too unwieldy). So I have leapt at the chance to try mail merge in 2.0 which has the facility to save to a single file (like Word 97 does). However, I cannot say I am impressed by what I have found. I gather from the mail merge specification that the new Mail Merge Wizard is meant to follow the wiizard in Word 2002/3. If that is so, that is a bad move. MS have an unfortunate knack of introducing features to make things easy for simple folk who do simple things while making life very difficult for those who want to do something else, which may still be simple, but isn't what the wizard does. Before I sound off on all the problems I have found, let me ask if this is the correct list to do it on. I really need to discuss my ideas of what is wrong and find out to what extent things could be changed at this rather late stage of development. Tony Pursell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Better would be the users list, I think. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: The new OpenOffice Impress: all that glitters is gold?
Enrique wrote: Peter Kupfer wrote: For me Impress is such a huge improvement, that I tend overlook anything else. Hi, I agree that Impress was the more divergent part of OOo, with respect to MSO and that closing that gap may help OOo by making easier to change to OOo, for instance in business wolrd were "super simple" usage of PowerPoint is like a plague. But I do feel like Byfield and others that Impress redesigners have let themselves drop in the "eye candy" mistake. I feel that some functions that are simple in 1.1.4 are complicated by the new design. I miss the old long-click toolboxes, this is bloodyly true in Impress and Draw. There are just NO menu items to insert several drawing objects. Where are the menu items to insert drawing shapes in 1.1.4? They can be added ONLY from toolbar buttons. And the initial Tools toolbar or Impress is crowded with new Shapes (some as useful for professional work as hearts, pointed stars, rolled papers etc), but some regular items are "lost in translation". What is a *Tools* toolbar? I know of the drawing toolbar which seems to have everything you are asking for. Callouts: they are in the Text toolbar, but this Toolbar is not displeyed unless you know it is there. We know most users do not configure interface at all. The new callout shapes has some fancy shapes, but it lacks the old-style line callouts. Actually, both connector (Line callouts I think as you call them) and the callouts with fancy shapes are available in the draw toolbar which is open on the bottom of the screen by default when you open Impress. I am a teacher, so I use those callouts a lot. New "Line 1", "line 2" callouts are useless: The line is actually several lines: if you set an arrow end, you will find several arrow ends in middle of eth lien, not just at line end. (i am filling a bug) I don't understand what you are saying. What are trying to do that you can't? Archs: Again, circle and ellipse archs are now hidden in their own toolbar. Why are those items not callable from teh main toolbar? Both in the draw toolbar. 3d Objects: The same as Archs Make a shape with the draw toolbar. *Right click > Convert > To 3D* Not sure where it was in 1.1.4, but it took me 4 clicks in 2.0. Arrows: There is a toolbar for lines and arrows with diffrent ending, as well as dimension lines. But the amazing thing is that I have not seen a way to actually open that toolbar, even knowing it exists. It is not listed in the View>toolbars menu, nor can be adden to an existing toolbar. Lines are also available in the draw toolbar. The *line and filing* toolbar is open by default under the standard toolbar when Impress opens. Thus, I have an interface crowded with silly and unused tools, and the tools I do need are hidden. At least I can add some of them by docking hidden toolbars (more space wasted that in 1.1.4), but All of the things you just described are open when you load Impress by default. So, the main questions would be: Why the first item in the Tool toolbar (rectangle, ellipse and text) are not toolboxes ? The first one is kind of quick button to just make a quick shape. Right down the line in the *Draw* toolbar (what you call the Tool tool bar) is the toolbox for all shapes, labeled basic shapes, it is a diamond by default. Why lines and arrows do not have an entry in the toolbar list? See above. In addition: Why toolboxes did not behave as the old long-click toolbars?: they remember the last tool used and you do not need to reopen it again. I think the should remember the last object used, I think I filed and issue on this. But, other than that, they work the same. I have expected a lot from OOo 2.0, but I feel some deception. Every day we see on these lists that developer's time is the real bottleneck, always in shortage. I cannot avoid a feeling of waste od resources, while important things like Database, SVG import or the bibliographic support (that would put OOo miles ahead of any other Office) progress at the slower rate. IMO, bringing Impress up to speed with PPT is critical to OOo's success. Many more people use PPT than Access. In OOo 1.1.4 Impress you could only have one animation style per slide. The default animations had sound in them, the masters were very hard to work with, and the list goes on and on. It is the only component that I could not use of OOo as well as Office. Now, having played a little bit with Impress 2.0, I feel a lot more secure with it. Reading what I have written I might sound upset. I'm not so. I wholeheartly respect the work of all involved in OOo development. But I want to share these feelings. After 2.0 release there must be time for evaluate the direction of the OOo project. I am sure we do not want it bloated with any possible feature and a kitchen sink. That's the model of other guys. We need the simplest thing that works: simplest from the point of usability, not implementation speed. Different peo
[discuss] Re: New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Ain Vagula wrote: Long click works exactly as before, when you long-click on button, not on arrow. At least here in m83. m83? I have downloaded OOo 2.0 beta and it is labeled 1.9.79. On the other hand, it is not long-click the point, but that old toolboxes remembered the last selected item. Why not the new ones? In addition, why now we only have line, rectagle, ellipse and text tools as the first items of the Drawing toolbar?. With the old behaviour we had also circles and arrows an callouts there, in the same space. - Enrique - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Tipping point (Was: Doc Searls' audio)
coming into this a bit late - sorry its not very straightforward. The first TP will be when the opposition cant ignore you. With MS this will be when they significantly drop their business prices. IMO they aren't bothered about piracy for home use - keeps the workers tied to MS products and keeps the TCO argument in their favour. the main TP will be when business users don't give the money to MS. Thats a much harder battle, particularly when the business price has come down and the TCO/training issues is tilted towards MS because business users take software home 'for free' . Also Where I work MS have a home software initiative and I could buy a licensed copy of MS office for £18 ( but it doenst run on gentoo linux ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Andrews wrote: > Thanks for the reply - thought the format could be a problem, I suppose > one could export to PDF and then clear the original sheet - I am not > sure though how easy the PDF format could be edited. PDF is not an editable format. Give me a while to think about this problem you posed. It's an interesting problem, and I like challenges :-) But don't get your hopes up. At first glance, it looks infeasible. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Justin Clift wrote: > Maybe it's just a matter of making it "not possible through OOo2" rather > than just "not possible at all"? The problem is the same as with all other DRM strategies. Once you can *see* the document, it is fundamentally impossible to prohibit changing. The best you can do is make it difficult or inconvenient. The current password locking does that. Or make it possible to *detect* the change. For this, a variation of our current digital signature scheme could be devised. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Good news 2.0 beta
Hi again, My prevous post was a bit bitter. I do not want to give the impression that I do no like OOo. I love it!! There are improvements in v 2.0 beta,a lot of them. The wordcount, format painter, and, not the least, the enhanced PDF export with bookmarks and notes and the new Base. Base alone do make 2.0 a must in many contexts. - Enrique - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Andrews wrote: > * Final complete lock A final and complete lock is not technologically feasible as long as we use an open file format. The best we can do is make it difficult or inconvenient to circunvent the lock, or use some sort of digital signature to let you check the file integrity after the fact. Cheers, -- Daniel Carrera | I don't want it perfect, Join OOoAuthors today! | I want it Tuesday. http://oooauthors.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Enrique wrote: Hi, After playing for a while with version 2.0, I do have the feeling of missing some things that worked in 1.1.x. I do not understand the logic around the changes in toolbar function. In particular, the *lack* of the old long-click behaviour. Long click works exactly as before, when you long-click on button, not on arrow. At least here in m83. ain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] New toolboxes in OOo 2.0 beta
Hi, After playing for a while with version 2.0, I do have the feeling of missing some things that worked in 1.1.x. I do not understand the logic around the changes in toolbar function. In particular, the *lack* of the old long-click behaviour. Now we have toolboxes, they are depicted by the small black triangle meaning they open the toolbox. This is considered "more standard" than the old green triangle. But these toolboxes are less functional: they do not remember the last tool selected. With the old toolboxes, the last tool selected was remembered. I you needed again the same tool, you only needed to clicl again in the tool box item. Now we are forced to always open the toolbox and reselect the tool: a less efficient way to do things. I cannot accept the argument that this is like MSO: if OOo have a better UI I do not see reason to drop it away. There is no "new concept" involved here. In the UI will appear an incon with a small tringle indicating that is an "openable" box with several tools inside, just as in MSO. Remembering the last selected is just added value, not user confusion, in my opinion. I can imagine that another change that's annoying me can be traced to "make it work as MSO". Now there is no Arrows toolbar in Impress. But PowerPoint *do* have an arrow tool. With this change we have lost "dimension lines " in impress. Actually, the "expandable" items in MSO Powerpoint Drawing toolbar *DO* remember the last selected item. The "triangle expandable" itehts thers are the fill and font color tools. They do change to reflect the last color selected. In fact, only Shapes toolboxes behave in the "handicapped" way. Why should OOo copy a bad design from MSO if ours is more logical and better? - Enrique - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Fedora developers discussing OOextras
Greetings, The developers of Fedora Core Linux are discussing right now if they should include oo.o templates in their next release, and if yes how many, which, as a separate download, etc. The thread is here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg00478.html I don't know enough to step into that discussion. But it would be really great, and probably extremely useful to Fedora and OO.o end users, if somebody from OO.o marketing, OOextras "management", somebody in the know that is, could step in and help them: explain OOextras structure/license, the plans for it, compare your assumptions and data on OO.o users against the ones they are doing, etc... If you decide to do so, thank you in advance from yours truly! Just remember that you need to subscribe to that list temporarily at this URL: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fiorettimfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 3 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ In a hundred years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the type of house I lived in, or the kinds of clothes I wore, but the world may be much different because I was important in the life of a child Author unknown - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: The new OpenOffice Impress: all that glitters is gold?
Peter Kupfer wrote: For me Impress is such a huge improvement, that I tend overlook anything else. Hi, I agree that Impress was the more divergent part of OOo, with respect to MSO and that closing that gap may help OOo by making easier to change to OOo, for instance in business wolrd were "super simple" usage of PowerPoint is like a plague. But I do feel like Byfield and others that Impress redesigners have let themselves drop in the "eye candy" mistake. I feel that some functions that are simple in 1.1.4 are complicated by the new design. I miss the old long-click toolboxes, this is bloodyly true in Impress and Draw. There are just NO menu items to insert several drawing objects. They can be added ONLY from toolbar buttons. And the initial Tools toolbar or Impress is crowded with new Shapes (some as useful for professional work as hearts, pointed stars, rolled papers etc), but some regular items are "lost in translation". Callouts: they are in the Text toolbar, but this Toolbar is not displeyed unless you know it is there. We know most users do not configure interface at all. The new callout shapes has some fancy shapes, but it lacks the old-style line callouts. I am a teacher, so I use those callouts a lot. New "Line 1", "line 2" callouts are useless: The line is actually several lines: if you set an arrow end, you will find several arrow ends in middle of eth lien, not just at line end. (i am filling a bug) Archs: Again, circle and ellipse archs are now hidden in their own toolbar. Why are those items not callable from teh main toolbar? 3d Objects: The same as Archs Arrows: There is a toolbar for lines and arrows with diffrent ending, as well as dimension lines. But the amazing thing is that I have not seen a way to actually open that toolbar, even knowing it exists. It is not listed in the View>toolbars menu, nor can be adden to an existing toolbar. Thus, I have an interface crowded with silly and unused tools, and the tools I do need are hidden. At least I can add some of them by docking hidden toolbars (more space wasted that in 1.1.4), but So, the main questions would be: Why the first item in the Tool toolbar (rectangle, ellipse and text) are not toolboxes ? Why lines and arrows do not have an entry in the toolbar list? In addition: Why toolboxes did not behave as the old long-click toolbars?: they remember the last tool used and you do not need to reopen it again. I have expected a lot from OOo 2.0, but I feel some deception. Every day we see on these lists that developer's time is the real bottleneck, always in shortage. I cannot avoid a feeling of waste od resources, while important things like Database, SVG import or the bibliographic support (that would put OOo miles ahead of any other Office) progress at the slower rate. Reading what I have written I might sound upset. I'm not so. I wholeheartly respect the work of all involved in OOo development. But I want to share these feelings. After 2.0 release there must be time for evaluate the direction of the OOo project. I am sure we do not want it bloated with any possible feature and a kitchen sink. That's the model of other guys. We need the simplest thing that works: simplest from the point of usability, not implementation speed. - Enrique - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Ver 2.0 Beta (1.9.79) Mail Merge
Hi Tony, Tony Pursell wrote: I have been waiting for this new version to do mail merge with OO.o because of the way 1.1 saves each letter to a different file. (I have on merge I do of 60+ letters, so this is just too unwieldy). Just for information, here is a macro that will merge the mailing result in only one file. It's only in French, but basically, you just have to indicate the directory where the file to be merge are. http://fr.openoffice.org/Documentation/Macros/FusionneDocuments.sxw Kind regards Sophie So I have leapt at the chance to try mail merge in 2.0 which has the facility to save to a single file (like Word 97 does). However, I cannot say I am impressed by what I have found. I gather from the mail merge specification that the new Mail Merge Wizard is meant to follow the wiizard in Word 2002/3. If that is so, that is a bad move. MS have an unfortunate knack of introducing features to make things easy for simple folk who do simple things while making life very difficult for those who want to do something else, which may still be simple, but isn't what the wizard does. Before I sound off on all the problems I have found, let me ask if this is the correct list to do it on. I really need to discuss my ideas of what is wrong and find out to what extent things could be changed at this rather late stage of development. Tony Pursell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 04/03/2005 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] The house is on fire.
When looking for a CMS I suggest cmsmatrix.org I found a great OSS CMS for a project I'm working on called TYPO3. I suggest making a list of the features you'd like to see included in any new website and then doing a search, putting "Free" in the price text box, as that's the best way to go. Enjoy! Jacob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Ver 2.0 Beta (1.9.79) Mail Merge
I have been waiting for this new version to do mail merge with OO.o because of the way 1.1 saves each letter to a different file. (I have on merge I do of 60+ letters, so this is just too unwieldy). So I have leapt at the chance to try mail merge in 2.0 which has the facility to save to a single file (like Word 97 does). However, I cannot say I am impressed by what I have found. I gather from the mail merge specification that the new Mail Merge Wizard is meant to follow the wiizard in Word 2002/3. If that is so, that is a bad move. MS have an unfortunate knack of introducing features to make things easy for simple folk who do simple things while making life very difficult for those who want to do something else, which may still be simple, but isn't what the wizard does. Before I sound off on all the problems I have found, let me ask if this is the correct list to do it on. I really need to discuss my ideas of what is wrong and find out to what extent things could be changed at this rather late stage of development. Tony Pursell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Thanks for the reply - thought the format could be a problem, I suppose one could export to PDF and then clear the original sheet - I am not sure though how easy the PDF format could be edited. I notice also that whereas Star Office had a PDF reader open office does not seem to have one. I believe it is one of the problems that will have to be solved if we are to become paperless. Jeremy Justin Clift wrote: Andrews wrote: > This security should be on two levels - lower which allows changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever being made._ Hi Jeremy, Good thought. :) After reading the above, and thinking about it for a bit, I'm wondering what kind of direction would have to be taken for making something locked and un-changeable. The OpenDocument file format is in end-user editable XML, so it might not be so easy. Potentially something involving the use of digital certificates may be involved, but even then I'm not coming up with anything that can't be worked around in one way or another. Maybe it's just a matter of making it "not possible through OOo2" rather than just "not possible at all"? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Mensaje citado por Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrews wrote: > > > This security should be on two levels - lower which allows > > changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever > > being made._ > > Hi Jeremy, > > Good thought. :) > > After reading the above, and thinking about it for a bit, I'm wondering > what kind of direction would have to be taken for making something > locked and un-changeable. > > The OpenDocument file format is in end-user editable XML, so it might > not be so easy. Potentially something involving the use of digital > certificates may be involved, but even then I'm not coming up with > anything that can't be worked around in one way or another. > > Maybe it's just a matter of making it "not possible through OOo2" rather > than just "not possible at all"? > > Regards and best wishes, > > Justin Clift > > > > > -- > Executive Director > Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd. > Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers > http://www.digitaldistribution.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was my point when I wanted to implement a GPG bind from OOo to your system GPG system on a similar way you do it on Evolution. Since emails and OpenDocuments are both ASCII based it was possible to sign and/or Encrypt the Document based on your GPG signature. > -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Andrews wrote: > This security should be on two levels - lower which allows changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever being made._ Hi Jeremy, Good thought. :) After reading the above, and thinking about it for a bit, I'm wondering what kind of direction would have to be taken for making something locked and un-changeable. The OpenDocument file format is in end-user editable XML, so it might not be so easy. Potentially something involving the use of digital certificates may be involved, but even then I'm not coming up with anything that can't be worked around in one way or another. Maybe it's just a matter of making it "not possible through OOo2" rather than just "not possible at all"? Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift -- Executive Director Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd. Premier OpenOffice.org and StarOffice Online Training providers http://www.digitaldistribution.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] opening tab delimitted files with a .xls suffix in the OO spreadsheet pgm
I guess a tab choice is more effective than the combo box we have on the navigator. But this would be a big re-engineering effort. However you can always try to implement it on your local computer and do aditional testing. Personally I do consider a nice feature to have but not a priority since the combo box works fine for me too. Usually the tabbed approach doesnt really result very appealing on the Calc / impress interface because the horizontal bar usually 'eats' the tabs and I result on using the slide navigator instead. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Eike Rathke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi doug, > > On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:09:33 -0500, doug pyatt wrote: > > > What I hate is the people that think they know everything - Telling > > someone that wants to learn and possibly improve the software, the > > question wasn't phrased just right is just wrong. > > I didn't do that. I'm not a native English speaker, I wouldn't judge > phrasing. So please don't judge me by my phrasing. No reason to accuse > me the way you do. > > > I think a Google Search for Tab Deliminated info will result in > > 444,000 English hits. Enough for me to know that Tab Deliminated is > > the Right Choice of words for the question. > > That wasn't the point. The point is that from a text file you cannot > reliably tell whether the content is meant to be tab delimited. > > Eike > > -- > GnuPG key 0x293C05FD: 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] opening tab delimitted files with a .xls suffix in the OO spreadsheet pgm
Hi doug, On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 08:09:33 -0500, doug pyatt wrote: > What I hate is the people that think they know everything - Telling > someone that wants to learn and possibly improve the software, the > question wasn't phrased just right is just wrong. I didn't do that. I'm not a native English speaker, I wouldn't judge phrasing. So please don't judge me by my phrasing. No reason to accuse me the way you do. > I think a Google Search for Tab Deliminated info will result in > 444,000 English hits. Enough for me to know that Tab Deliminated is > the Right Choice of words for the question. That wasn't the point. The point is that from a text file you cannot reliably tell whether the content is meant to be tab delimited. Eike -- GnuPG key 0x293C05FD: 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] opening tab delimitted files with a .xls suffix in the OO spreadsheet pgm
Hi Lars, On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 05:18:54 -0500, Lars D. Noodén wrote: > >Sorry, but there's no such thing as a "tab delimited file". There are > >text files that contain tabs, some of them are intended to be used as > >"delimited files", others are not. > > That's what I mean a table where the columns are delimited by tabs. This > is also know as tab delimited. I know this was referred. However, what I wanted to express is, that there is no reliable way to detect whether a text file's content is meant to be of type delimited fields. In some cases it would be just guessing, and maybe wrong. > >.txt has never been an extension to indicate tab-delimited. > > .txt has been an extension to indicate a text file. Correct. > Some of these text files contain a table where the data is organized > in columns which are delimited by tabs. Excactly, _some_ of them. > Around 5 years ago, I also saw a fair number of these > labeled with the .tab file name extension. Most (all?) spreadsheets and > databases that I saw from 1985-1999 saved this kind of file with the .txt > extension. Yes, and many word processors, especially in the 80s and 90s, saved files with a .txt extension, and the extension is also widely used for ASCII text files of any kind. From the extension you can't tell which type of file it is. > I don't have old copies of or even my old manuals from Visicalc, Lotus > 1-2-3, Quattro, Qubecalc, MS-Excel4 & 5, etc. so I can't cite specifics, > but I think you understand what Frank is requesting. Of course. And as Mathias pointed out, quite a few people were requesting this. It's all easy if you _only_ have a spreadsheet application, but in an office suite with several applications things get more complicated. Eike -- GnuPG key 0x293C05FD: 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Ian Lynch wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 10:44, Andrews wrote: > > > > * Final complete lock > > Why not just export as a pdf then? You don't need it in spreadsheet > format if you are never going to edit the cells. As far as I understand the issue it is a final complete lock of all the formular cells so I ordinary user can use the spreadsheet and print out spreadsheet documents with data where you are sure that the ordinary user or a super user has changed the formulars. So it can't be done with by saving it in PDF. The most enjoyable greetings -- Claus Agerskov"Kan jeg, så kan du også" Helper/HjælperHenrik Dahl i DRs Rabatten om OpenOffice.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ooo.chbs.dk/ http://da.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Document language
Robert Lipovsky wrote: Hello everyone! I love the openoffice suite, but I would appreciate if in version two, the setting for changing the document language would be simpler (rather than having to go into the Options and ticking "for this document only" in the language section all the time). A good example is Microsoft Office, where they have this setting conveniently at the bottom of the window in the status bar. I hope my suggestion will be taken into consideration. Thank you, Robert Lipovsky You can change language by changing the font language attribute for default style. ain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Document language
On Saturday 05 March 2005 14:51, + Robert Lipovsky wrote: > [ MODERATED ] *** > Hello everyone! > I love the openoffice suite, but I would appreciate if > in version two, the setting for changing the document > language would be simpler (rather than having to go > into the Options and ticking "for this document only" > in the language section all the time). A good example > is Microsoft Office, where they have this setting > conveniently at the bottom of the window in the status > bar. I hope my suggestion will be taken into Hi Robert, Can you please report this in issuezilla ? ( http://openoffice.org -> "Register", then when you receive a confirmation email, "Login" and "File an issue" ) In this way the relevant developers will see your bug report / suggestion and you will also see the progress of this feature / bug report if it is accepted. Please reply to discuss@openoffice.org only -- CPH : openoffice.org contributor Maybe your question has been answered already? http://user-faq.openoffice.org/#FAQ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:59, Andrews wrote: [snip] > Finally - what you have done, creating free and very useful software, > is a fantastic service to computer users all over the world - I just > have a concern that eventually the lack of financial reward could kill > the project. May I suggest that to help prevent this you create "the > Openoffice user and developer club". Users should pay an annual club fee > and the trustees of the club could then decide how best to apply the > funds to ensure continued rapid development. This is already possible. Have a look at the "contribution" link on the front page of http://openoffice.org. -- CPH : openoffice.org contributor Maybe your question has been answered already? http://user-faq.openoffice.org/#FAQ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: [social] Re: [native-lang] Re: [discuss] IRC Conference logs.
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 00:38, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Jonathon Blake wrote: > > > > I have posted the IRC logs on the conference page: > > > http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/ > > > > Can youpost a link to the slides on the same page as the IRC log? Sorry I missed Daniel's conference, I was committed to play rugby on Saturday, mind freezing weather and driving rain so I would have been much better to stay at home :-) Read the archive though and I think I can develop some of the discussion with my presentation on INGOTs. I have some potential answers for some of the important issues that arose. One suggestion - maybe a summary of the main findings of the session and key issues for action so that its not necessary to read the whole log to get the benefits from the discussion. If the speaker does this for their session I think it might be helpful for people who miss the sessions themselves and for people coming along later. AietKolkhi - if you are reading this drop me an E-mail and I'll explain a couple of features of the INGOTs that are intended to address your Microsoft issues. Or if someone has AietKolkhi's E-mail address I'll contact him/her. Sorry I have no idea about gender and names! -- Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OOo Review
Slashdotted means being putted off-line because the traffic of your site increased terribly that the servers couldn't handle the traffice. The name has todo o with posts on the internet about a specific website in slashdot and becaus slashdot amass a large amount of people that when someone post your site in slashdot, many people go at the same time to your site generating a this traffic. You can also found this geek terms at the wikipedia. www.wikipedia.com -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por Peter Kupfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Bruce Byfield wrote: > > My review for version 2.0 on Newsforge has been Slashdotted. There's a > > few questions and misconceptions flying in the comments, so if anyone > > has any time, they might want to answer them. > > > Hi, I am not totally in touch with my computer self. What does it mean > to be "slashdotted." > > Slashdot seems like a fine web site, but everyone uses the phrase, "I > have been Slashdotted," negatively. > > Help. > > -- > Peter Kupfer > OOo user since 'OO4 > http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 10:44, Andrews wrote: > Harald Schilly wrote: > Thanks have had a look at this and have used it a bit in the past > however it would be nice to see it go a step further in > > * Final complete lock Why not just export as a pdf then? You don't need it in spreadsheet format if you are never going to edit the cells. > * An indication on the printed form that this is a final unchangeable > sheet. > * Automatic highlighting of input cells > > Thanks for the email I will experiment more with the existing facilities. > > Jeremy -- Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZMS Ltd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
Harald Schilly wrote: Thanks have had a look at this and have used it a bit in the past however it would be nice to see it go a step further in * Final complete lock * An indication on the printed form that this is a final unchangeable sheet. * Automatic highlighting of input cells Thanks for the email I will experiment more with the existing facilities. Jeremy On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:59:06 +0200, Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The ability to secure data at cell level, sheet level and workbook level. This security should be on two levels - lower which allows changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever being made._ It would be nice if the sheets could be "watermarked" as "secured" and "final" Well, i don't know if it is exactly what you are searching for, but it is already possible to lock all cells in a spreadsheet except a few ones. Therefore you can jump between those cells and enter data, but you are not able to edit any of the other cells. I don't have an English help available, but i'm sure the keywords "cell protect" can help you. Harald - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] openoffice security
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:59:06 +0200, Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The ability to secure data at cell level, sheet level and workbook > level. This security should be on two levels - lower which allows > changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever > being made._ It would be nice if the sheets could be "watermarked" as > "secured" and "final" Well, i don't know if it is exactly what you are searching for, but it is already possible to lock all cells in a spreadsheet except a few ones. Therefore you can jump between those cells and enter data, but you are not able to edit any of the other cells. I don't have an English help available, but i'm sure the keywords "cell protect" can help you. Harald - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] openoffice security
We have been using Star Office and Openoffice for many years in our accounting practice without the need ever to resort to excel etc. Thank you for developing this product, it has been a great help to us. Version 2 looks like it will be a winner. There are a few things that make the use of spreadsheets potentially dangerous for auditors and I believe it would not be difficult to build features into Openoffice that could limit the risk. I have mentioned two major areas below. The biggest danger that spreadsheets present is the ease with which they can be changed - at any stage - even after the "final" working paper has been printed. The potential problems that this could create are obvious. I would like to suggest the following: The ability to secure data at cell level, sheet level and workbook level. This security should be on two levels - lower which allows changes on entering a password and locked _which prevents changes ever being made._ It would be nice if the sheets could be "watermarked" as "secured" and "final" A lot of our work involves standardized schedules and it would be very nice if we could make templates that are able to control specified input fields. ie the ability to change formulas and layouts would be restricted. In this way one could develop reliable tools which would not have to checked each time a clerk uses them. I do think that this type of feature would be very popular with auditors and accountants. I would like to contribute to this project and although I was involved in software development of accounting programs for many years I feel that I don't have the necessary programming skills at present to contribute at that level but I would be very happy to be involved at a testing/user interface level - let me know if there is anything specific. Finally - what you have done, creating free and very useful software, is a fantastic service to computer users all over the world - I just have a concern that eventually the lack of financial reward could kill the project. May I suggest that to help prevent this you create "the Openoffice user and developer club". Users should pay an annual club fee and the trustees of the club could then decide how best to apply the funds to ensure continued rapid development. Regards Jeremy
Re: [discuss] The new OpenOffice Impress: all that glitters is gold?
First, you should download OOo beta to see if these are still issue, especially #3. Second, the over answers to your questions, is that OOo Impress looks and feels a lot more like PowerPoint. This is good in some respects, and bad in others. I think overall it is good, because the old Impress was missing a lot of features PPT had and was nearly as smooth! More in line. Andrea wrote: Hello everybody, I am testing the Impress module of the OO2 beta (1.9.74). I have tried without success to hide or move the (hideous!) "views bar" (I do not know if this is the correct name, I couldn't find any reference to it in the help system either), that horizontal gray bar with the different views buttons (normal, structure, notes, etc.) that is found immediately above the document page and below the two horizontal symbols bars and the menu commands. I think you are stuck with it. Personally I find this bar definitely worse than the small buttons that performed the same functions in OO1.1.3, which very intelligently used some of the space (the upper part) of the vertical scroll bar without stealing precious "screen real estate". Moreover the present horizontal configuration wastes screen space with 70% of its size on a 1024x768 screen: the 5 buttons use in fact only the leftmost third of the bar, while the remaining 2 thirds are apparently totally useless. Of course I do not pretend everyone agrees with my opinion if others are happy with it that's good, but it should be allowed to be able to go back to OO1.1.4 placement, or simply hide the grey bar, or move it where you want. Hiding the gray bar makes more sense, like hiding any other tool bar or the status bar. You may want to file an issue as a request for enhancement. [snip] Another item that seems to be forcing to waste space in Impress is the new Page pane. I completely agree with Bruce Byfield when he writes that "Another unwelcome change is the removal of page tabs in favor of Page Panes in Draw and Impress. This change reduces free space on the screen without increasing functionality." (http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/02/25/209222.shtml?tid=93&tid=130) While you may be correct, for me when I had slide titles that were very long, the bottom tab was pretty worthless. I find the left side of the screen thing much easier to scroll through, you can move and change the order of slides, and you get a quick thumbnail preview to move between slides faster. Also, you can hide it if you want. The purpose of upgrading software is to give more choices and opportunity to work in the way you find most efficient. So page panes are welcome news as long as they're not forced upon the user. IMHO they are useful at times, when you are reviewing your documents by and large, but not as a continuos navigation tool. To navigate different pages fast and easy page tabs are HUGELY better. And this is even truer on PC that are not top notch powerhouses: draw and refresh of page panes is much, much more memory and processor demanding than the page tabs. Impress does offer more choices. I never fully understood page tabs in Impress, maybe in Draw, but not in Impress. All this without mentioning that the ability to reserve a large space for the document is crucial for another reason: nothing seems to be changed in the screen rendering of math formulas, which is as defective as it was in OO113: small characters and sign are omitted or rendered wrongly. Since this behaviour is less of a problem if the page is visualized in larger size, reserving a large space for it on the screen is VERY important. I attach an image of a formula in OO1.9.74 where some minus singns are not visible at all to show the problem. File an issue. This is the only way to get things fixed. I have run PPT and Impress on less than great computers, and they refresh fine. Any further comments are welcome. Long live OO, best wishes to all To each their own. For me Impress is such a huge improvement, that I tend overlook anything else. -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] A couple of issues
Richard Doherty wrote: As someone who has switched from Mic***oft Office to OpenOffice.org, and is trying to encourage others in my field (environmental engineering) to do the same, I have a "wish list" for some things that would make the switch to Open Office go even more smoothly for folks in my profession: 1) It would be great if there were an easier way to tell Calc what sheets of a spreadsheet were to be printed. Also, when I hit print, I often get the sheet that's on the screen, plus one or more other sheets that I didn't need. Format > Print Range 2) It would be great if there were more border types to choose from in a Calc spreadsheet. Many tables we produce need a double border on the outside, fine lines in the interior, and medium lines to separate the main sections of the table. I don't understand why you can't do this. Select the area that needs to the double border, apply it, then select each subsequent area, and apply the border. 3) It would be great if it were easier to produce mailing labels from a spreadsheet of names and addresses. Mail merge is pretty slick. It might help to run it from Writer. 4) It would be great if you could print envelopes to an addressee of a letter you are writing, just by highlighting the address and making a few clicks. See comment to #3. I love OpenOffice.org, and I want it to be used by everyone, and that is the motivation for my comments. I do not have the programmiing skills to help with the heavy lifting, but I can help spread the word around. Having the features listed above (or some of them anyway) would help alot in "selling" folks in my business on the benefits of OpenOffice. They are all there. Most are explained in the help. If you need more, please visit http://documentation.openoffice.org or www.oooauthors.org. All of this is explained if you read it. Thanks for enjoying and sharing OOo. -- Peter Kupfer OOo user since 'OO4 http://peschtra.tripod.com/open_office/ooo_front.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
