Re: [discuss] Open Source Software
Christian Einfeldt wrote: ... For myself, I use SuSE 9.2 for my legal work, and Linspire 5.0 for audio ripping and editing. The audio editor there is audacity. to be counted - slackware :) oops, sorry, didn't get this. How is slackware involved with Audacity? I ask this question out of pure ignorance. I tried to install Minislack once, and it wasn't pretty. I hear lots of true geeks singing the praises of Slackware, so I have lots of respect for it, but it is out of my reach as a simple end user. oh, this was just meant as a response to usage of suse :) audacity... well, it can be installed on slackware box =) slackware definitely isn't easy to set up (compared to suse - or knoppix :) ), so i would not recommend it to anybody who is not interested in tweaking things -- Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Auto-completion in Writer
Caleb Marcus wrote: When I am typing, Writer sometimes suggests words by showing them highlighted in blue. There are two things I would like to know: 1. What is this feature called? word completion 2. How do I use it? (how do I insert the suggested word) open tools | AutoCorrect/AutoFormat and select the far right tab to adjust your settings. I use enter for mine, but there are a number of choices. (Note: This is a re-post. I was unsubscribed for a day, but the problem seems to be fixed.) hth ingo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 21:43 -0400, Caleb Marcus wrote: I bought MS Office with my computer, but at the time I didn't know about OOo. I'm wondering what peoples' reasons for using OOo are. 10 reasons why people use OOo 1. Saves money 2. Lack of tie in to MS/dislike of MS etc 3. Some features better implemented than MS as far as they are concerned 4. OOo Draw 5. More compact files and Open Format 6. MS Office doesn't run on their GNU/Linux platform 7. Free and regular up dates easily available over the Internet 8. No security codes and other anti-piracy paraphenalia 9. Take part in the community to help with development 10. Less vulnerable to macro viruses I'll add to that: 11. Much more reliable, especially with large documents (nearly 100% where MS-Office simply went on strike every five minute) 12. Easier to navigate and format large documents 13. Footnotes can be variables that may be interreferenced ingo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Randomthots wrote: I guess the workaround for this is to save as xls for those spreadsheets that deal with a lot of data that you're manipulating statistically. It's not ideal but it's a lot faster. For your situation, that might be best. But please make backups. If you are going to use .xls for your work, it's very important that you do backups. The same thing that makes OpenDocument slow (XML, zip) also make it very reliable and less likely to get corrupted. The same thing that .xls fast (binary dump) also makes it unreliable, and easily damanged. It's a trade-off. Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 09:02 +0200, blabla wrote: 10 reasons why people use OOo 1. Saves money 2. Lack of tie in to MS/dislike of MS etc 3. Some features better implemented than MS as far as they are concerned 4. OOo Draw 5. More compact files and Open Format 6. MS Office doesn't run on their GNU/Linux platform 7. Free and regular up dates easily available over the Internet 8. No security codes and other anti-piracy paraphenalia 9. Take part in the community to help with development 10. Less vulnerable to macro viruses I'll add to that: 11. Much more reliable, especially with large documents (nearly 100% where MS-Office simply went on strike every five minute) 12. Easier to navigate and format large documents 13. Footnotes can be variables that may be interreferenced I'd say 12 and 13 were specific examples of 3 :-) -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Daniel Carrera wrote: Randomthots wrote: I guess the workaround for this is to save as xls for those spreadsheets that deal with a lot of data that you're manipulating statistically. It's not ideal but it's a lot faster. For your situation, that might be best. But please make backups. If you are going to use .xls for your work, it's very important that you do backups. The same thing that makes OpenDocument slow (XML, zip) also make it very reliable and less likely to get corrupted. The same thing that .xls fast (binary dump) also makes it unreliable, and easily damanged. It's a trade-off. Cheers, Daniel. I was thinking the exact same thing after I hit the send key. Sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain - especially at 2:30 am. ;) A long-ish file save at the end of the day is a small insurance against data loss. Now I just need to find a text editor that can open a file that big -- Wordpad choked on it and I know Notepad isn't designed for files that big. Heh! Just on a lark, I opened that content.xml file in Writer. SEVERAL minutes later the page counter (Page 1/x in the status bar) stopped spinning and settled at 10893 pages. 36 MB is a BIG text file. I honestly have no idea how I would go about recovering data from something like that. I suppose you could just start out with some global find-and-replaces to get rid of the tags and try to get closer to something that looked like a csv. I guess an xml editor would be handy. Maybe you could use some of the infamous *nix tools like grep and sed to pull stuff out. Not a trivial task in any case. BTW, here's what just one row looks like: table:table-row table:style-name=ro1table:table-cell office:value-type=stringtext:parin/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=stringtext:pUS/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=stringtext:pipv6/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=stringtext:p2001:4880::/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=float office:value=32text:p32/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=date office:date-value=2005-04-04text:p04/04/05/text:p/table:table-celltable:table-cell office:value-type=stringtext:pallocated/text:p/table:table-cell/table:table-row Later, Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Randomthots wrote: I honestly have no idea how I would go about recovering data from something like that. Even if you don't, the file format itself is less prone to damage. Because XML is well structured and clearly defined, when damage /does/ occur, it is often possible to *guess* what the data should have been. That's part of the beauty of XML. Consider this example. Say the origial texst is: table:table-cell office:value-type=string text:pCell content/text:p /table:table-cell Suppose we lose a few bytes: table:table-cell ofxfice:valuetype=string text:pCell content/text: /table:table-cell You can still reconstruct the original XML. For that matter, so can OOo (to some degree). Compare this with a binary data structure. It will, in some way or another, have the form of an n-ary tree (they all do). Suppose that a node gets deletted. Now you've lost everything below that node (possibly a few paragraphs). Or wose, it might make the file impossible to parse. Now look at the XML again. Think of how many bytes you'd have to lose (and lose _sequentially_) for you to lose a node. Ain't it cool? :-) I suppose you could just start out with some global find-and-replaces to get rid of the tags and try to get closer to something that looked like a csv. I guess an xml editor would be handy. Yes. XML Tidy is your friend. It can spot errors in the XML structure. That's your first line of defence. I've repaired damaged OOo files by hand (not many). One of them was a book by an Italian writer. It took him months to write, it was a few hundred pages. One day, as OOo was writing to the disk the power went and and the file got corrupted. He sent me the file. I unzipped it and ran it through XML Tidy. Tidy complained about a mal-formed tag on row x column y. I went there, fixed the tag, and zipped it again. Voila, the file was fixed. This took me 5min of work, and it saved months of work from this writer. Maybe you could use some of the infamous *nix tools like grep and sed to pull stuff out. Not a trivial task in any case. Tidy made it very easy. :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Randomthots wrote: Maybe you could use some of the infamous *nix tools like grep and sed to pull stuff out. Not a trivial task in any case. Oh, one more thing: perl -pe 's/.*?/ /g;' content.xml myfile.txt That will extract most of all of the _data_ in your file. Sure, you will lose all the formatting, and the like. But it's conforting to know that the absolute worst case scenario is not the end of the world. If you want to be a little more complicated: perl -pe 's/.*?table-row\n/; s/.*?/ /g;' content.xml myfile.txt That will preserve row breaks too. :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Microsoft XML patent
Graham wrote: NZ Patent app no 525484. Word processing document stored in a single xml file The NZ Open Source Society has produced an objection to the above pile of bovine excrement. A draft has been uploaded to http://nzoss.org.nz/resources/MS Patent Opposition.pdf This URL works better with underscores, rather than spaces between MS, Patent and Opposition. I assume a typo. Peter HB - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Impress in Oo2
Harald Krahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am using Oo2 1.9.95 besides 1.1.4 In Open Impress of Oo2 slide transition using the fade option goes in visible short steps and not smoothly as it should. Hi Harald, please give 1.9.101 a try, once that's out. Some of the slide transitions should be significantly improved, starting from that version. Generally, if you have Linux on your laptop, running a recent Xorg or XFree version also improves transition speed at lot, at least if the display driver uses hardware acceleration and holds Pixmaps in VRAM (typically, vendor-provided drivers tend to do that). HTH, -- Thorsten If you're not failing some of the time, you're not trying hard enough. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 En/La Caleb Marcus ha escrit, a 07/05/05 03:43: | I bought MS Office with my computer, but at the time I didn't know about | OOo. I'm wondering what peoples' reasons for using OOo are. Albanian language support of course. ;-) Mirupafshim, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCfzIl64+f0AXUe+4RAmbCAJ9pmhiK5/uX8CI+JihS7TKVaCUWGwCcCwZU DkQpC8kzZTwZDor2tdVV0n4= =1Lyh -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
On 09/05/2005, at 10:02, blabla wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 21:43 -0400, Caleb Marcus wrote: I bought MS Office with my computer, but at the time I didn't know about OOo. I'm wondering what peoples' reasons for using OOo are. 10 reasons why people use OOo 1. Saves money 2. Lack of tie in to MS/dislike of MS etc 3. Some features better implemented than MS as far as they are concerned 4. OOo Draw 5. More compact files and Open Format 6. MS Office doesn't run on their GNU/Linux platform 7. Free and regular up dates easily available over the Internet 8. No security codes and other anti-piracy paraphenalia 9. Take part in the community to help with development 10. Less vulnerable to macro viruses I'll add to that: 11. Much more reliable, especially with large documents (nearly 100% where MS-Office simply went on strike every five minute) 12. Easier to navigate and format large documents 13. Footnotes can be variables that may be interreferenced Well, you missed the most important reason for me: 0. It is cross platform- you can work on the same files regardless if you are using Windows, Mac Linux or Solaris (and you can move between them without a problem). --- Shoshannah Forbes http://www.xslf.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 12:53 +0300, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On 09/05/2005, at 10:02, blabla wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 21:43 -0400, Caleb Marcus wrote: I bought MS Office with my computer, but at the time I didn't know about OOo. I'm wondering what peoples' reasons for using OOo are. 10 reasons why people use OOo 1. Saves money 2. Lack of tie in to MS/dislike of MS etc 3. Some features better implemented than MS as far as they are concerned 4. OOo Draw 5. More compact files and Open Format 6. MS Office doesn't run on their GNU/Linux platform 7. Free and regular up dates easily available over the Internet 8. No security codes and other anti-piracy paraphenalia 9. Take part in the community to help with development 10. Less vulnerable to macro viruses I'll add to that: 11. Much more reliable, especially with large documents (nearly 100% where MS-Office simply went on strike every five minute) 12. Easier to navigate and format large documents 13. Footnotes can be variables that may be interreferenced Well, you missed the most important reason for me: 0. It is cross platform- you can work on the same files regardless if you are using Windows, Mac Linux or Solaris (and you can move between them without a problem). Covered really by 6. Ok maybe I should have included Solaris :-) MSO is cross platform for the PC and Mac so its the Linux/Solaris bit that really differentiates OOo. Language localisation is an important one I missed. -- Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZMSL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reasons for using OOo
On 09/05/2005, at 13:39, Ian Lynch wrote: MSO is cross platform for the PC and Mac Not if you need Hebrew or Arabic (Office Mac does not support those languages- you need to use OpenOffice/NeoOffice). IMO, in order for an application to be considered cross platform, it cannot have major features or language support only available on a certain platform. Thus I don't consider MS Office to be truly cross platform (there is actually rather a big difference between the Mac and PC versions features). --- Shoshannah Forbes http://www.xslf.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] On the acceptance of an OO.o extension installer
Hi all, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Great. In that case the only thing we need to do rpm packaging is a way to specify an installation prefix (basically you tell your utility to install for the local OO.o installation, prepending a specific root. rpm then compresses the contents of this root, checksums and signs it. rpm invocation on the result unpacks this root contents on / on as many systems as you want.) This is a gross oversimplification, but gives you an idea of how rpm works It seems that I forgot to react on this, sorry for that. To cut a long story short, we will discuss how we can support the creation of rpm packages for UNO components deployment. Details, proposals etc. will be dicussed on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer - OpenOffice.org Application Framework Project Lead Please reply to the list only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a spam sink. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Microsoft XML patent
Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: Graham wrote: NZ Patent app no 525484. Word processing document stored in a single xml file The NZ Open Source Society has produced an objection to the above pile of bovine excrement. A draft has been uploaded to http://nzoss.org.nz/resources/MS_Patent_Opposition.pdf This URL works better with underscores, rather than spaces between MS, Patent and Opposition. I assume a typo. Peter HB Works better with underscores as well. ;) Thanks Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Access help from QuickStarter
Thanks. I thought maybe the general help box should be tabbed, as well as the options box. I just feel that although standard, opening a document to change settings and get help isn't effective. A more useful, intuitive way is to access it through the control panel (in OOo this is the QuickStarter) than from the documents. Elizabeth Matthis wrote: Hi Caleb, I answered your first post already, but for some reason it apparently didn't get posted to the list, so here is my reply again: Original Message Subject: Re: [discuss] Access Help from QuickStarter Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:13:29 +0200 From: Elizabeth Matthis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: openoffice.discuss Hi Caleb, Caleb Marcus wrote: I'd like to be able to access Help and Options from the QuickStarter. Any thoughts? I like your idea of adding OpenOffice.org Help to the Quickstarter menu. (But I'm not a developer, so I don't know if it is possible) I suggest you create an Enhancement in IssueTracker for that idea. I'm not sure what you mean by Options though. Can you explain your idea in a bit more detail for me? If you mean the Tools - Options pages with the tree hierarchy, then I can tell you already that those options are in many cases application-specific and therefore must be opened out of one of the applications (Writer, Impress, Calc, etc) and cannot stand-alone like the Help viewer can. (i.e. Tools - Options cannot be accessed via Quickstarter) Elizabeth - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Normal people
So maybe this is just an inside gig for those with some background in computers. If it is, then you won't be interested in the rest of this email. But, if you would like these programs to branch out into the larger world of people, you may want to try to think like again like a human and not a programmer. Even withen the program itself there are things I don't understand, such as when trying to open something from another processor, it says filter selection- a pair of words with mean absolutely nothing to someone who doesn't work with computers. Would there be something wrong with writing what you mean? Why not: Choose the program this file was created in. Also, during the installation there was something about Java environments. I have never worked with Java. This does not mean I am an idiot. It merely means my job does not involve computers. So, all I am saying is, instead of putting, in the help section for that section of the install, a bunch of useless things such as select a java environment here, or look for one somewhere else or if you don't have a java environment available, the program won't run completely how about a sentence on what a java enviroment is or where it can be found. Many of the help buttons prove useless for someone who doesn't know how to programs themselves. So basically I am saying that this whole thing struck me as a by-computer-guys-for-computer-guys kind of thing, and I found myself embarrassed about not knowing what certain things meant that I would never, in reality, be faced with knowing. So if you want this to be a wider success it will need to make more apparent sense on a human level. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Randomthots [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this: Go to ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest. This is a bunch of statistics on Internet number registries for the American Registry of Internet Numbers. It's a character-delimited text file -- like a csv but the delimiting character is a pipe |. It has 52670 rows. Save it on your hd with an extension of .csv. Open it in Excel. I got this far on my WinXP system and I had issues. In order to open this file correctly in Excel 2003 - i.e. using | as a separator - it is necessary to make a *global* change to the system, as follows: Click the Windows Start menu. Click Control Panel. Open the Regional and Language Options dialog box. Click the Regional Options Tab. Click Customize. Type a new separator in the List separator box. Click OK twice. This changes the list separator for *all* applications. When I open with OOo, by contrast (1.9m100), it asks me what the separator character is, then loads the file correctly into multiple columns. Add the fact that in order to find out how to deal with the situation in Excel, I had to use MS online help. At this point, I think my MS Office CD would be assisting in experiments in the microwave :-). Performance becomes less relevant in this particular case. Incidentally, having saved it as an .ods file, reloading it took 1m26s on my Inspiron 1150 notebook. I really couldn't be bothered to carry on the experiment with Excel. How much memory on your system, BTW? Regards -- Martin Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Normal people
Daniel Carrera wrote: Where do you see filter selection ? I see the word file type. You get that if you try to open a file type that it doesn't recognize (based on the file extension). Remember in another thread where I mentioned opening the content.xml in Writer? That dialog came up then. There's a good chance she's trying to open a file that isn't supported, like Lotus Word Pro (lwp) for example. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Daniel Carrera wrote: Even if you don't, the file format itself is less prone to damage. I'm not trying to start an argument, Daniel, but I'm wondering what you're basing that statement on. AFAIK, a file is a file is a file. Bits flip, hard drives fail, crap happens. It's hard to see how one file type would be less vulnerable than any others. Because XML is well structured and clearly defined, when damage /does/ occur, it is often possible to *guess* what the data should have been. That's part of the beauty of XML. Example snipped. You can still reconstruct the original XML. For that matter, so can OOo (to some degree). Compare this with a binary data structure. It will, in some way or another, have the form of an n-ary tree (they all do). Suppose that a node gets deletted. Now you've lost everything below that node (possibly a few paragraphs). Or wose, it might make the file impossible to parse. Now look at the XML again. Think of how many bytes you'd have to lose (and lose _sequentially_) for you to lose a node. Ain't it cool? :-) Except for one little problem: the file isn't actually stored as XML. It's stored as a compressed ZIP. The ability to reconstruct a file like you illustrated is dependent on the low information density of the xml file. IOW, if a few bytes go missing or get garbled, you can interpolate based on context. It takes several bytes to convey each concept and the language has superfluous characters in each word. For example, the difference between tough and tuf. In zip files each repetitive byte sequence (e.g. a tag like table: cell ) gets replaced by a single-byte stand-in. IINM, the process is recursive to a degree as well. This dramatically increases the information density. This would seem to me to make a zip every bit as vulnerable to damage as any binary file. I've repaired damaged OOo files by hand (not many). One of them was a book by an Italian writer. It took him months to write, it was a few hundred pages. One day, as OOo was writing to the disk the power went and and the file got corrupted. He sent me the file. I unzipped it and ran it through XML Tidy. Tidy complained about a mal-formed tag on row x column y. I went there, fixed the tag, and zipped it again. Voila, the file was fixed. This took me 5min of work, and it saved months of work from this writer. I think your friend was very lucky. Not only to have a knowledgable friend such as yourself who could help, but also that the file wasn't damaged more extensively or in a different manner. I'm also very surprised the zip was usable at all if the incident occurred as you said. The file handle would have been open and there likely would have been bytes in the buffer stream that didn't get committed to disk. It's more likely that the power blipped. We get that a lot here during thunderstorm season. The screen will flash off for a second, but there's enough juice in the capacitors to keep things running through it. Sometimes it reboots and sometimes it doesn't. I REALLY need to get a good UPS. ;) In complex systems there are many potential points of failure and you rarely if ever get to pick and choose which point of failure is going to affect you. A usable zip file implies either very minor damage or damage in a non-critical location. A corrupted replacement table will fry the file totally. If I understand how all this works, saving a file in OOo is like a pipeline in *nix. (file construction process) | (zip process | (file write to disk) The ability to reconstruct a bad file will depend a lot on where and how the damage occurs. In one regard, the OOo process may actually be *more* dangerous simply because a lot more processing has to happen on the way to the hard drive. It must, otherwise why does it take longer? Hard drives themselves are very reliable nowadays; the most likely points of failure are the transit points (e.g. file downloads and transfers). Just my $0.02 worth. I would be interested in hearing your take on it, since I recognize that you probably know more about this than me. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Christian draws out a Sun Microsystems guy
Martin Taylor wrote: I got this far on my WinXP system and I had issues. In order to open this file correctly in Excel 2003 - i.e. using | as a separator - it is necessary to make a *global* change to the system, as follows: Click the Windows Start menu. Click Control Panel. Open the Regional and Language Options dialog box. Click the Regional Options Tab. Click Customize. Type a new separator in the List separator box. Click OK twice. This changes the list separator for *all* applications. When I open with OOo, by contrast (1.9m100), it asks me what the separator character is, then loads the file correctly into multiple columns. That's interesting. I'm using MSO 2000 and the import process was almost identical to OOo. Even the dialogs looked remarkably similar. Sounds like a regression to me. I wonder what the hell inspired them to make that particular change? I could understand (and appreciate) an application level option that would set it to a particular character as the default. The way it is with either MSO 2000 or OOo, you have to specify each time. Rod - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?
Johan Vromans wrote: Ken Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 10:15 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: So the question remains: will OOo be released 'built correctly' (not requiring _any_ Java), in multiple forms (with/without Java), or just with Java leaving the 'built correctly' version as an exercise to the community? I believe that the question is moot. The packagers for your brand Linux will provide a package that works, this is enough for 90% of our users. Sigh. It seems to be very hard to get a simple answer to a simple question. For the time being I'll assume that OOo 2 will require Java. You always needed Java to build OOo *completely*. That didn't change with OOo2.0. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer - OpenOffice.org Application Framework Project Lead Please reply to the list only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a spam sink. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
