Re: [discuss] Big OO idea!

[Adrian Try]

Hi DJ Steve

 Just thinking, why don't you guys make Writer OO for Handheld PCs?  This
> way we won't have to use Word :)


By handheld, I assume you mean a Pocket PC. At the moment, the best word
processor for the Pocket PC platform is TextMaker, which is also available
for Windows and Linux. You can learn more about TextMaker for Pocket PC at
http://www.softmaker.de/tmp_en.htm. I've been using it for a few years, and
I love it (although I don't do that much "real" word processing on my Pocket
PC).

I think it's unlikely we'll see OOo on a handheld, at least for some time.
We're still working on getting it leaner and meaner on real computers!

Also, is there a Windows Mobile OS replacement?  Like, Linux Mobile or
> anything?


Yes, but your Pocket PC needs to have a flashable ROM, like an Ipaq.

There are two different versions of Linux that work on handhelds:

- Opie (see screenshots at
http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=ipaq). This
is a cut down version of Linux that operates like a PDA type of operating
system. It is based on the system designed for the Sharp Zaurus.

- There is another version of Linux for handhelds that is more full featured
(like desktop Linux), but I can't think of its name now.

Both of these are GUIs that go on top of a command line version of Linux
designed for Pocket PCs.

You can learn more about running Linux on Ipaqs at http://www.ipaqlinux.com/
.

You can learn more about handheld devices that support Linux at
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html.

I hope this gives you enough links to get you started!

Adrian

Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Alexandro Colorado]

Again people confusing email with calendar functionality, and actually by  
calendar they mean backend support for a fat client distributed  
calendaring system. We already have rich clients that deal with this  
problem with Kolab2/Kontact and Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/


On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:51:12 -, Randomthots  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Chad Smith wrote:


Article entitled "E-mail 'crucial' to future of desktop Linux"
 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9590_22-5978465.html?tag=nl.e589
 E-mail will be the most significant factor governing the uptake of  
Linux on



the desktop, according to a new study.

The Desktop Linux Client Survey 2005, released this week by the Open
Source Development  
Labs,

found that the lack of a powerful e-mail application could hinder the
adoption of Linux on the desktop.


  It mentions Evolution as the top contender, and Lightning (a planned
combination of Thunderbird and Sunbird - the Mozilla email client and
calendar respectively) as a distant second.  A OOo-based email  
client/PIM

could fill his void.
 What do you all think?
 --
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http://www.gimpshop.net/
Because everyone loves free software!



I sort of agree with you... in that I don't really care how it happens  
or who does it, as long as the functionality matches Outlook.


I think it's been talked to death on this forum and a lot of the *nix  
crowd simply doesn't get it. How you can trash-talk a program like  
Outlook without knowing what it does is beyond me. But the suggestion  
that you can simply replace Outlook with Thunderbird is ludicrous.  
Outlook Express, sure. But Outlook, no way.


The other thing that I think is that there isn't a real clear vision for  
OOo post-2.0. On the one hand, you have the "disruptive technology"  
paradigm that Mr. Enfeldt has been touting lo these many months (years).  
You know, the whole Clay Christiansen thing, where Linux, OOo, and  
open-source in general is supposed to erode the market leader's position  
for the bottom. Linux, OOo, etc. is supposed to be "good enough" and it  
wasn't important now to have all the bells and whistles provided by the  
market leader.


But now we have this whole ODF thing. THAT'S being marketed to the  
upper-tier (government and enterprise) as a means to ensure  
inter-operability, data archival, and a whole lot of other things that  
don't mean as much to the lower and middle tier customers. Problem is,  
we don't have the upper tier applications to utilize the format. OOo 2.0  
is good... very good, but it doesn't yet meet the functionality of my 5  
year old copy of MSO 2000, much less the current product offerings.


So what's the strategy? Is there one?





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Re: [discuss] Big OO idea!

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:11:14 -, DJ Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

Just thinking, why don't you guys make Writer OO for Handheld PCs?  This  
way we won't have to use Word :)


Also, is there a Windows Mobile OS replacement?  Like, Linux Mobile or  
anything?


Many thanks



OOo is too bulky for this. We would need to either change the framework or  
modify the ammount of interfaces. We have been asked this continiously  
right next to an on-line version of OOo.


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Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Ian Lynch]

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 23:51 -0600, Randomthots wrote:

> I think it's been talked to death on this forum and a lot of the *nix 
> crowd simply doesn't get it. How you can trash-talk a program like 
> Outlook without knowing what it does is beyond me. 

I use Outlook on Windows XP and Evolution on Linux side by side. I can't
say I use any feature in Outlook that is not in Evolution with the
advantage that Evolution files are all much easier to deal with because
they are plain text. No doubt there are some features in Outlook that
some people think they must have and as resources become available these
will be addressed.

> The other thing that I think is that there isn't a real clear vision for 
> OOo post-2.0. On the one hand, you have the "disruptive technology" 
> paradigm that Mr. Enfeldt has been touting lo these many months (years). 
> You know, the whole Clay Christiansen thing, where Linux, OOo, and 
> open-source in general is supposed to erode the market leader's position 
> for the bottom. 

They vave been soing for years. Certainly the last 10 but accelerating
over the last 3. These things take time. It took 30 years for Bell to
take over Western Union.

> Linux, OOo, etc. is supposed to be "good enough"

It is for many people, it certainly is for me and a growing number of
others. I'm going to Spain for the second time in a couple of months
because they seem to think its good enough for them. It'll never be good
enough for die-hard Windowsphiles.

> But now we have this whole ODF thing. THAT'S being marketed to the 
> upper-tier (government and enterprise) 

The upper tier is worth tackling when it has a reasonable prospect of
success. Governments in developing countries are not upper tier though
and a lot of the basic government institutions eg schools are not
either.

> as a means to ensure 
> inter-operability, data archival, and a whole lot of other things that 
> don't mean as much to the lower and middle tier customers.

So we have some advantages over classic disruptive technologies as well
as some disadvantages ie piracy helping maintain the status quo.

>  Problem is, 
> we don't have the upper tier applications to utilize the format. OOo 2.0 
> is good... very good, but it doesn't yet meet the functionality of my 5 
> year old copy of MSO 2000, much less the current product offerings.

So your 5 year old MSO2000 can do pdf export then? Your 5 year old
MSO2000 has an XML file format? You can selectively choose features to
prove just about anything, What matters is whether or not the "upper
tier" people adopt the software. With each improvement more do but
improvement takes time. If you want to go and do the work or pay someone
to do it fine, otherwise like the rest of us you are going to have to be
patient.

> So what's the strategy? Is there one?

That is a good question, and it would have been a better focus to start
with. My personal preference would be to make the code more efficient,
and capable of running on PDAs etc. before starting on major projects
like an E-mail client that others are already working on. Better to
contribute to those projects if you think they are the key.

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[discuss] Re: Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Andrew Brown]

Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> It is for many people, it certainly is for me and a growing number of
> others. I'm going to Spain for the second time in a couple of months
> because they seem to think its good enough for them. It'll never be good
> enough for die-hard Windowsphiles.
> 

It's got nothing to do with the operating system. It's simply a question of 
functionality. I'd use linux if it did anything that I need better than 
Windows does. But it doesn't. What's on offer is a large collection of 
"good enough" apps which almost imitate what I can get on Windows. So I 
woul go through a huge opportunity cost in retraining and futzing around to 
end up with something neither better nor quicker than what I have now, 
which is also importantly lacking the software ecology that I presently 
have. 

This isn't perversion. It isn't becaseu I'm paid by Bill Gates. It's just a 
realistic assessment of what an operating system can do for me. It can't 
change my life, get my girls, make part of a cool new crusade or anything 
like that. It can get out of my way and let me work, and it can sometimes 
give me harmless, hobbyist fun, like fly-tying. Since most people have 
interest in that kind of fun, all they want of an operating system is that 
it should be invisible. 

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[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Andrew Brown]

Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> It mentions Evolution as the top contender, and Lightning (a planned
> combination of Thunderbird and Sunbird - the Mozilla email client and
> calendar respectively) as a distant second.  A OOo-based email client/PIM
> could fill his void.
> 

I have no idea what such a beast might look like. It's obviously a very 
difficult and only partially understood task to write mail and scheduling 
apps -- whatever happened to chandler? -- and we have few enough 
programmers who understand OOo as it is, let alone as it might be.


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[discuss] Re: how to have non-localized interface?

[Olivier Ripoll]

Sigrid Kronenberger wrote:


Yes, there is definitely a simple way to do this. You can download the
language-file from the place, you've already found. 


I noticed there is no "en_US" package there. Well, there are two with 
close names, but they are 28 MiB ("en_US_km" and "en_US_rw").


But before you start the download check the following: 
Go in the menu bar to "Extras - Optionen" and choose in the following

window "Spracheinstellungen", click on the "+" and select "Sprachen".
Click on the first list-feld (Benutzeroberfläche) and have a look, if
"English" is already there. (I'm using a german version and there is
also the english version added there, so I guess, you have it already).
It might be possible, that you have to close OOo (incl. the
quick-starter) and reopen it again. Then the UI should be changed. 


Unfortunately, I only have "standard" and "deutsch (deutschland)" and 
standard which was selected by default makes the interface in German.


I guess the "chip" magazine has suppressed the real "standard" from the 
CD to gain space.
Hope, this helps. 


I have downloaded the en_GB. I do not want the French package, because I 
want my computer to be usable by collegues (some are geramn, some are 
spanish, some are french, some are japanese, so the standard en_US is 
our lingua franca)


Thanks for the answer.

Best regards,

Olivier.


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[discuss] Calc: summing column while filter is active

[Chuck]

Can this be done? I want a cell to be the sum() of a column. If there's
an active filter I only want the sum of the visible rows. If there's no
active filter I want it to be the sum of all rows.

TIA

Chuck


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[discuss] Re: Calc: summing column while filter is active

[David Chapman]

Use the SUBTOTAL function. See attached...

http://www.openofficetips.com/blog/archives/2005/03/basic_functions_9.html

On 12/1/05, Chuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can this be done? I want a cell to be the sum() of a column. If there's
> an active filter I only want the sum of the visible rows. If there's no
> active filter I want it to be the sum of all rows.
>
> TIA
>
> Chuck
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[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Randomthots]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Again people confusing email with calendar functionality, and actually 
by  calendar they mean backend support for a fat client distributed  
calendaring system. 


I'm not. I was sort of surprised when I read Chad's quote, "...lack of a 
powerful e-mail application...". Because purely for email, the 
open-source apps like T-bird are easily the equal or better of the 
proprietary pure email clients.


The problem is I don't know a good name for the category of sw that's a 
calendar/pim/email such as Outlook or the old Lotus Organizer.


The backend server stuff is important, but it doesn't necessarily need 
to have the OOo name on it. But even for just one guy on one computer, 
Outlook offers more functionality and ease-of-use than Evolution, 
depending on what your needs are.


We already have rich clients that deal with this

problem with Kolab2/Kontact and Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/



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[discuss] Re: Calc: summing column while filter is active

[Chuck]

That was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

Now I have just one more question. My column headers are not on row 1.
They are on row 2. This is because I wanted to have a sum/subtotal cell
*above* one of the columns. It makes sense to me because that way I can
have the total above the freeze line so that when I'm scrolling through
a spreadsheet I can always see the total for that column. Plus I never
have to move the total cell as I add additional rows. Is there a way to
permanently tell Calc that line 2 will always contain the headers for
filtering purposes? Or do I have to reselect the range, starting at row
2, every time I want to apply a filter?

TIA again.

Chuck



David Chapman wrote:
> Use the SUBTOTAL function. See attached...
> 
> http://www.openofficetips.com/blog/archives/2005/03/basic_functions_9.html
> 
> On 12/1/05, Chuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Can this be done? I want a cell to be the sum() of a column. If there's
>>an active filter I only want the sum of the visible rows. If there's no
>>active filter I want it to be the sum of all rows.
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Chuck
>>
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Re: [discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:25:29 -, Randomthots  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The backend server stuff is important, but it doesn't necessarily need  
to have the OOo name on it. But even for just one guy on one computer,  
Outlook offers more functionality and ease-

of-use than Evolution, depending on what your needs are.
 We already have rich clients that deal with this
problem with Kolab2/Kontact and Zimbra http://www.zimbra.com/


I don´t really know what you mean with more ease of use. Evolution is  
almost the same as far as the UI is concern. Also Evolution is extendable,  
which means it has plug-ins (E-plugs) so a plain evolution install is like  
a firefox install.


Again, for example, Thunderbird has lots of plug-ins including calendar, I  
guess working on the calendar extension might bring the same level of  
integration than outlook.


For example I see that Evolution has RSS integrated, also thunderbird has  
some weather reports, powerful anti-spam (much better than evolution),  
skins, and all the group fo plug-ins that outlook simply lacks.


So saying that Outlook has more functionality is clearly a lie.

In linux world we have a lot of Personal information managers like Kontact  
which includes Kmail which is even better email client, Kalendar, Kontact,  
News (RSS), Journal (blog), Multy-sinc, also you got a higher level of  
integration with Kalarm and other smaller programs. This is by far more  
functional than outlook.


Again this is a sign that people are more tied to the application than the  
solution and usually is just suitable to ignore them. Specially since well  
we already have something available, why duplicate the efforts.


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Re: [discuss] Re: Calc: summing column while filter is active

[Niklas Nebel]

Chuck wrote:

Now I have just one more question. My column headers are not on row 1.
They are on row 2. This is because I wanted to have a sum/subtotal cell
*above* one of the columns. It makes sense to me because that way I can
have the total above the freeze line so that when I'm scrolling through
a spreadsheet I can always see the total for that column. Plus I never
have to move the total cell as I add additional rows. Is there a way to
permanently tell Calc that line 2 will always contain the headers for
filtering purposes? Or do I have to reselect the range, starting at row
2, every time I want to apply a filter?


You can define a database range (Data/Define Range). Just keep in mind 
that anything you add below the range won't automatically be included, 
you'll have to manually extend the database range (but the same is true 
for the formulas anyway).


Niklas

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[discuss] Re: Email vital for Desktop Linux adoption, prime role available for OOo

[Randomthots]

Ian Lynch wrote:





Linux, OOo, etc. is supposed to be "good enough"



It is for many people, it certainly is for me and a growing number of
others. I'm going to Spain for the second time in a couple of months
because they seem to think its good enough for them. It'll never be good
enough for die-hard Windowsphiles.



OOo is certainly good enough for me; I don't use half the features 
already. How Linux works out for you depends entirely on what hardware 
you have and what software you need to use.





So your 5 year old MSO2000 can do pdf export then?


No, but I can get a free program for Windows that gives me pdf export 
from the print dialog. Much the same as sending a document by fax.



Your 5 year old
MSO2000 has an XML file format? 


If I'm not actively concerned about cross-platform and/or 
cross-application compatibility, then XML is mostly meaningless to me.



You can selectively choose features to
prove just about anything, What matters is whether or not the "upper
tier" people adopt the software. With each improvement more do but
improvement takes time. If you want to go and do the work or pay someone
to do it fine, otherwise like the rest of us you are going to have to be
patient.



I'm not so much concerned that the upper-tier software isn't here now. 
What concerns me is the attitude that certain features of upper-tier 
software shouldn't even be on the radar for the future.





So what's the strategy? Is there one?



That is a good question, and it would have been a better focus to start
with. My personal preference would be to make the code more efficient,
and capable of running on PDAs etc. before starting on major projects
like an E-mail client that others are already working on. Better to
contribute to those projects if you think they are the key.



Not if they aren't going in the right direction.

Let me give you an example of what I mean: Gnucash. Gnucash is 
supposedly the leading personal finance software for Linux.


I despise that program, and I'm not real crazy about the developer team, 
either. Why? The program is advertised as being targeted to Windows 
refugees needing a replacement for Quicken or MSMoney. But the interface 
is something only an accountant could love and totally foreign to anyone 
familiar with those other programs. There's zero interest in making a 
Windows port. Important features are broken or non-existent. So maybe 
it's not really meant for personal use; perhaps it's more intended for 
business? Not really; important features for that market are also missing.


And it's not just that the features are missing or don't work right now; 
what's worse is that they have no intention of adding or fixing them.


Compare that to KMyMoney. That program is shaping up very nicely. If 
they only had a Windows port, it would be perfect.


Being cross-platform is incredibly important for open-source migration. 
That's the beauty of OOo, Mozilla, Gimp, etc. If, over time, one-by-one, 
you adopt these open-source apps on Windows, eventually you can get to 
the point where you realize you don't really need Windows. I'm not at 
that point yet; so I dual-boot to get the best of both worlds.


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[discuss] Re: Big OO idea!

[Chuck]

DJ Steve wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just thinking, why don't you guys make Writer OO for Handheld PCs?  This
> way we won't have to use Word :)
> 
> Also, is there a Windows Mobile OS replacement?  Like, Linux Mobile or
> anything?
> 
> Many thanks

Assuming you're talking about Pocket PC, just save to your synchronized
folder in .doc format and active sync will take care of the rest. You
can then open your document on the PPC with Pocket Word.


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[discuss] Re: Calc: summing column while filter is active

[Chuck]

Never mind. I found what I was looking for by saving a defined range. It
also looks like that if you have a defined range saved, the autofilter
automatically picks that up.

I love this program!

Chuck


Chuck wrote:
> That was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
> 
> Now I have just one more question. My column headers are not on row 1.
> They are on row 2. This is because I wanted to have a sum/subtotal cell
> *above* one of the columns. It makes sense to me because that way I can
> have the total above the freeze line so that when I'm scrolling through
> a spreadsheet I can always see the total for that column. Plus I never
> have to move the total cell as I add additional rows. Is there a way to
> permanently tell Calc that line 2 will always contain the headers for
> filtering purposes? Or do I have to reselect the range, starting at row
> 2, every time I want to apply a filter?
> 
> TIA again.
> 
>   Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> David Chapman wrote:
> 
>>Use the SUBTOTAL function. See attached...
>>
>>http://www.openofficetips.com/blog/archives/2005/03/basic_functions_9.html
>>
>>On 12/1/05, Chuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can this be done? I want a cell to be the sum() of a column. If there's
>>>an active filter I only want the sum of the visible rows. If there's no
>>>active filter I want it to be the sum of all rows.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Chuck
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Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Web Browser plugins :-)

[Mathias Bauer]

John Thompson wrote:
> On 2005-11-30, Dennis Catt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> OpenOffice.org Team,
>>
>> Hello... it would be great to have some web browser plugins to be  
>> able to view OpenOffice.org documents from various web browsers.
> 
> The linux version at least comes with Mozilla plugins for this (they work 
> with Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape -- not sure if the Win version has these, 
> or if IE plugins are available).

The Windows version has both. But the ActiveX control and the Mozilla
Plugin both need a local installation of OOo, they just redirect the
created window into a browser window instead of having it placed on the
desktop. They do not render OOo documents by themselves.

Best regards,
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Re: [discuss] "Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings ..."

[Mathias Bauer]

Wesley Parish wrote:
> This is an error message I am getting on a MS Win98SE box in an MS Win98SE
> network I attempt to manage.
> 
> "OpenOffice.org 2.0
> 
> Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings 
> or
> our personal settings are locked.
> Simultaneous access can lead to inconsistencies in you personal setings.  
> Before
> continuing, you should make sure user '' closes OpenOffice.org on host 
> 'WINTON'.
> 
> Continue?" 
> 
> I've looked at the Tools/Options and can't find the appropriate area in the
> personal settings section.  What should I be doing?

This is a result of an OOo crash you seem to have had the last time you
sued OOo. Just ignore the message, it should disappear after you have
successfully closed OOo.

Best regards,
Mathias

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[discuss] Who should care about open XML, was: Email vital for Desktop Linux/OO.o...

[M. Fioretti]

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 09:58:55 AM -0600, Randomthots
> 
> >Your 5 year old MSO2000 has an XML file format?
> 
> If I'm not actively concerned about cross-platform and/or
> cross-application compatibility, then XML is mostly meaningless to
> me.
 
You and everybody else *already* are "actively concerned in
cross-platform and/or cross-application compatibility through
XML". Even if you do not use any computer at all.

>From my "What on Earth is OpenDocument?" on LinuxFormat # 75:

###

...the real reason to require OpenDocument universal support is to
guarantee that your data will always be completely [accessible]
indexable and searchable. Both today [when shared by] different
applications, and fifty years from now.

Q.: So I can safely forget about it, right? None of my files is that
valuable

A.: Wrong. Who ever said that your only files are those in your hard
disk? Think to your pension or mortgage payments [which *are* being
already stored in some XML format]. What if, sometimes between now and
2040 when you will need them, the only paper copies get lost?

Q.: No problem, of course. My bank and pension department keep digital
copies in Office XP format... oh, wait...

###

Ciao,
Marco F.

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[discuss] Re: Calc: summing column while filter is active

[Chuck]

Niklas Nebel wrote:
> Chuck wrote:
> 
>> Now I have just one more question. My column headers are not on row 1.
>> They are on row 2. This is because I wanted to have a sum/subtotal cell
>> *above* one of the columns. It makes sense to me because that way I can
>> have the total above the freeze line so that when I'm scrolling through
>> a spreadsheet I can always see the total for that column. Plus I never
>> have to move the total cell as I add additional rows. Is there a way to
>> permanently tell Calc that line 2 will always contain the headers for
>> filtering purposes? Or do I have to reselect the range, starting at row
>> 2, every time I want to apply a filter?
> 
> 
> You can define a database range (Data/Define Range). Just keep in mind
> that anything you add below the range won't automatically be included,
> you'll have to manually extend the database range (but the same is true
> for the formulas anyway).
> 
> Niklas

I'll just define the range with more rows than I'll ever need. I'll do
the same with the formula.

Thanks.


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Re: [discuss] Big OO idea!

[Robert Derman]

DJ Steve wrote:


Hi,

Just thinking, why don't you guys make Writer OO for Handheld PCs?  
This way we won't have to use Word :)


Also, is there a Windows Mobile OS replacement?  Like, Linux Mobile or 
anything?


Many thanks
  


There is a Linux release called Linspire which does have a version 
specifically for laptop computers, with the special power saving 
features and appropriate driver support.  It is not free, but it is a 
lot cheaper than M$. 


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Re: [discuss] Who should care about open XML, was: Email vital for Desktop Linux/OO.o...

[Chad Smith]

On 12/2/05, M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You and everybody else *already* are "actively concerned in
> cross-platform and/or cross-application compatibility through
> XML". Even if you do not use any computer at all.
>

None of that has anything to do with *his* personal choice of an office
suite.  I've been using OpenOffice.org for over 2 years now - that has had
*zero* impact on what format my bank keeps track of my records in.

There is another format that has been used for at least 25 years for
databases and spreadsheets - it's still in use today,
OOo/Excel/FileMakerPro/AppleWorks/etc. all support it.  It's called CSV or
TSV, coma separated varibles and tab seperated variables.  If you are
worried about formulas not being transfers, I'm pretty sure the formulas
existed before computers, and can be looked up and plugged into whatever
form of computer spreadsheets are in use then.

The point is, what Rod was saying was that the file format had nothing to do
with *his* using OpenOffice.org - nor does it mine.  The only formats I use
are the ones that *OTHER* programs can use, like PDF, RTF, Flash, DOC, XLS,
and PPT.

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[discuss] Re: Thesaurus

[G. Roderick Singleton]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:49:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I notice that the thesaurus is only active when the default language is
> USA.  Is there a work around that it can be used as well for the English
> UK?
> 
> Thanks a lot for sure consideration.

Edit /share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst and add
a line that should be similar to
THES en GB th_en_US_v2

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Re: [discuss] Big OO idea!

[Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg]

I don't think it is too bulky, at least that is going to be solved 
automatically in the near future, cause of hardware improvements. 
Embedded devices seems to already have 64mb of RAM and 128mb - 1gb of 
flash. Biggest problem seems to be to adapt the user interface to 
support really small displays, e.g. as 300x200.


Kay


Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:11:14 -, DJ Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

Just thinking, why don't you guys make Writer OO for Handheld PCs?  
This  way we won't have to use Word :)


Also, is there a Windows Mobile OS replacement?  Like, Linux Mobile 
or  anything?


Many thanks



OOo is too bulky for this. We would need to either change the framework 
or  modify the ammount of interfaces. We have been asked this 
continiously  right next to an on-line version of OOo.




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[discuss] Re: multi_key for accents no longer works

[G. Roderick Singleton]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:04:40 -0800, John Norvell wrote:

> In the move from OO Writer 1.9 to 2.0 (Linux) the multi_key compose method
> of accenting characters, loaded from .Xmodmap, no longer works in OO. It
> is still working unchanged in all other X windows and applications (and
> also in the 1.9 installation I have still on my system). Any ideas about
> this? Thanks for any tips.
> 
> John

I suspect that you have upgraded X11 at some point and this is affecting
your usage. I can tell you that using the method described in 
http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/various_topics/Howto_special_char.pdf
for Linux does work even when the X server is Xorg.

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[discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Web Browser plugins :-)

[John Thompson]

On 2005-12-02, Mathias Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Thompson wrote:
>> 
>> The linux version at least comes with Mozilla plugins for this (they work 
>> with Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape -- not sure if the Win version has these, 
>> or if IE plugins are available).

> The Windows version has both. But the ActiveX control and the Mozilla
> Plugin both need a local installation of OOo, they just redirect the
> created window into a browser window instead of having it placed on the
> desktop. They do not render OOo documents by themselves.

Ok. But is that a problem? IIRC, that's how the Acrobat Reader and other 
plugins work as well.

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[discuss] Re: Who should care about open XML, was: Email vital for Desktop Linux/OO.o...

[Randomthots]

M. Fioretti wrote:

On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 09:58:55 AM -0600, Randomthots


Your 5 year old MSO2000 has an XML file format?


If I'm not actively concerned about cross-platform and/or
cross-application compatibility, then XML is mostly meaningless to
me.


 
You and everybody else *already* are "actively concerned in

cross-platform and/or cross-application compatibility through
XML". Even if you do not use any computer at all.

From my "What on Earth is OpenDocument?" on LinuxFormat # 75:

###

the real reason to require OpenDocument universal support is to
guarantee that your data will always be completely [accessible]
indexable and searchable. Both today [when shared by] different
applications, and fifty years from now.

Q.: So I can safely forget about it, right? None of my files is that
valuable

A.: Wrong. Who ever said that your only files are those in your hard
disk? Think to your pension or mortgage payments [which *are* being
already stored in some XML format]. What if, sometimes between now and
2040 when you will need them, the only paper copies get lost?

Q.: No problem, of course. My bank and pension department keep digital
copies in Office XP format... oh, wait...

###

Ciao,
Marco F.



Marco, I understand and buy into the importance of ODF in the big 
picture. That doesn't mean it's particularly relevant to me, today, with 
the files that *I* create on *my* hard drive.


As an analogy: I support gay rights even though I'm heterosexual and 
married for 21 years. I support the reformation of marijuana laws even 
though I quit smoking dope a long time ago. I support AIDS research even 
though I don't personally know anyone with AIDS. The list goes on.


So I use OOo and I keep my files in ODF format. That and a dollar will 
buy me a cup of coffee. I'm sure the titans of industry are taking notice.


Meanwhile, until the big guys make the switch, *practical* file 
compatibility means being able to read and write MSO files, as much as I 
despise that situation.


--

Rod


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Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org Web Browser plugins :-)

[Chad Smith]

On 12/2/05, John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Plugin both need a local installation of OOo, they just redirect the
> > created window into a browser window instead of having it placed on the
> > desktop. They do not render OOo documents by themselves.
>
> Ok. But is that a problem? IIRC, that's how the Acrobat Reader and other
> plugins work as well.
>

You are technically right - that's how the Adobe Reader works.  However, the
Adobe Reader isn't a 50 MB + download, and a massive 100 MB + install, and
doesn't take a lot of time to load or a lot of RAM to run.

If there was a *SMALL* ODF-Reader that could work like the Adobe Reader
plugin, that would work.  but having to have the whole office suite on the
computer kinda defeats the purpose of viewing the file in the browser.

Instaed of comparing the OOo browser plugins to Adobe Reader, it would be
more like if you had to have the entire Adobe Creative Suite, or at least
the Adobe Acrobat running in order to view a PDF in the browser.

AbiWord is about the smallest thing out there that renders ODF files - and
that's only Word Processing files- not spreadsheets or presentationsor
anything, and to my knowledge, it doesn't have a browser plugin.

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Because everyone loves free software!

[discuss] Problem with OOO

[Oliver Eckle]

Hi OOO Team,
I regconize a Problem with the OpenOffice,
When I'm createing a formula with the FormulaTool in OpenOfficeWriter 
and copy this createt formula into the OODraw, add there some Grapics 
and copy them back into OOOWriter,

then it is impossible to save my Textdocument anymore.
I repeat this some times to verifiy the failure and if I past the Formel 
inte OOODraw as GDI Metafile then it works.

Maybe its interesting to read for you.

I'm useing OpenOffice.org 2.0 with Windows XP :-(

Best regards
O.Eckle



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[discuss] Att: no.openoffice.org

[labanjunk]

This message is written in Norwegian. Please forward this to the 
Norwegian Openoffice.org team.


Hei.
Gentoo Linux benytter en pakkebehandler (portage) som tidligere har lagt 
til openoffice.org i sine ebuilds-lister på en sånn måte at 
openoffice.org blir innstallert med det språket som er foretrukket 
forøvrig på datamaskinen. Dette forutsetter at man kan få tak i 
openoffice.org i en tar.gz fil eller annet som er mulig å pakke ut med 
generelle gnu/linux verktøy. RPM og DEB-pakker er ikke støttet av denne 
pakkebehandleren, og det gjør at norsk utgave av Openoffice.org 2.0 ikke 
er tilgjengelig for Gentoo-brukere. Kun Openoffice.org 1.5 er 
tilgjengelig på norsk for Gentoo-brukere. Det er heller ikke mulig å 
installere Openoffice.org 2.0 manuelt, uten å installere RPM eller 
DEB-pakkebehandler først.


Hvorfor er den norske utgaven av OpenOffice.org 2.0 kun lagt ut i rpm og 
deb-varianter, og ingen i tar.gz format eller annet som ikke krever 
spesielle pakke-behandlere?


Vennlig hilsen / Kind regards
OpenOffice.org bruker/user


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Re: [discuss] "Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings ..."

[Wesley Parish]

Thanks.

Wesley Praish

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:09, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> Wesley Parish wrote:
> > This is an error message I am getting on a MS Win98SE box in an MS
> > Win98SE network I attempt to manage.
> >
> > "OpenOffice.org 2.0
> >
> > Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal
> > settings or our personal settings are locked.
> > Simultaneous access can lead to inconsistencies in you personal setings. 
> > Before continuing, you should make sure user '' closes OpenOffice.org on
> > host 'WINTON'.
> >
> > Continue?"
> >
> > I've looked at the Tools/Options and can't find the appropriate area in
> > the personal settings section.  What should I be doing?
>
> This is a result of an OOo crash you seem to have had the last time you
> sued OOo. Just ignore the message, it should disappear after you have
> successfully closed OOo.
>
> Best regards,
> Mathias

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Re: [discuss] "Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings ..."

[Wesley Parish]

Thanks.  Will do.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:08, Joerg Barfurth wrote:
> Hi Wesley,
>
> Consider using the users@openoffice.org mailing list for gettting
> support for using the OpenOffice.org application.
>
> Wesley Parish wrote:
> > This is an error message I am getting on a MS Win98SE box in an MS
> > Win98SE network I attempt to manage.
> >
> > "OpenOffice.org 2.0
> >
> > Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal
> > settings or our personal settings are locked.
> > Simultaneous access can lead to inconsistencies in you personal setings. 
> > Before continuing, you should make sure user '' closes OpenOffice.org on
> > host 'WINTON'.
> >
> > Continue?"
> >
> > I've looked at the Tools/Options and can't find the appropriate area in
> > the personal settings section.  What should I be doing?
>
> There appears to be a computer called 'WINTON', where an OpenOffice.org
> process is (or was) your networked profile directory for personal
> settings. Apparently the computer on which you are running
> OpenOffice.org has a different name. The OpenOffice.org process on
> WINTON either is still running or terminated abnormally (i.e. it
> crashed). In the former case you should quit the instance on WINTON
> before running OOo on your machine. If that instance has crashed, you
> are safe to 'continue' - in which case the message won't appear again.
>
> But I do wonder: if you are not logged in as a named user ("user ''"),
> then how can networked profile directories work?
>
> Ciao, Joerg

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