Re: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation
Very much interested in sunday --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: July 1, 2014 2:19 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation synhak.org is about to go offline. In the interim: synhak.net Although not setup, it is functional and will stay online for the foreseeable future, please make an account. synhak.com Our groupspaces site, mature and also will stay on for the forseeable future. Both will be accessible from the new synhak.org The announce list will be recreated this weekend (with it's usual 10 emails a year frequency) As for other lists, they too will be recreated within the week, but general discussion I hope to shift to the forums as there are pictures and it is easy to catchup on a specific topic without sifting through unrelatedes. eMail notifications can reasonably reproduce the feel. Synhak.org may be down for propogation when it does die before being pointed to a wordpress host. There are good things in the pipes. Anyone free this Sunday for a day of writing, designing, coding? There will be pizza. Make the ringing stop, Craig P.S. In before the lock! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Another Mac Workstation!!
Hey guys, Just brought in and setup my PowerMac G5 with Dual 2.0GHz PPC G5, 6GB DDR RAM, about 500GB HDD space. It is currently using the iMac to access the internet as I do not have an antenna for the airport card, so if you are having issues connecting to the internet on it please make sure the iMac is connected to the wifi and is on. The PowerMac G5 is running OS X 10.5.8, has some games loaded as well as iWork '09, iLife '09, and the latest tenfourfox. There are 2 accounts on the computer, one is my own personal account, and the other is synhak, it uses our wifi password for the login and is only a standard user not administrator. Just like the iMac this is one of my personal computers that I am setting up for use as a public workstation, feel free to use it for whatever you want just do not destroy it. I am looking at obtaining Final Cut Studio 2 to install on it for those who want to do/learn some video editing. Enjoy, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Another Mac Workstation!!
The PowerMac G5 has Garage Band and I would love to put Logic on it however I do not have a copy of it and can not afford one. On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:38 PM, William Schaffer wrote: Hey Steve, do either of those macs have either Garage Band or Logic on them? I'm not a mac person but I'm trying to get into MIDI. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Hey guys, Just brought in and setup my PowerMac G5 with Dual 2.0GHz PPC G5, 6GB DDR RAM, about 500GB HDD space. It is currently using the iMac to access the internet as I do not have an antenna for the airport card, so if you are having issues connecting to the internet on it please make sure the iMac is connected to the wifi and is on. The PowerMac G5 is running OS X 10.5.8, has some games loaded as well as iWork '09, iLife '09, and the latest tenfourfox. There are 2 accounts on the computer, one is my own personal account, and the other is synhak, it uses our wifi password for the login and is only a standard user not administrator. Just like the iMac this is one of my personal computers that I am setting up for use as a public workstation, feel free to use it for whatever you want just do not destroy it. I am looking at obtaining Final Cut Studio 2 to install on it for those who want to do/learn some video editing. Enjoy, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Very Respectfully, William G. Schaffer 330-752-3328 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives
Some of those were personal property of former members of SynHak and the others I'm not sure of. However Becca and I are working to get some desktops up and running as public workstations. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 24, 2014 5:19 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives I have been reminded that at 21 W North we had 8 working desktop computers. Are they buried? Or are we trying to restore every computer shell in SynHak? regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:25 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It might be helpful come tax season if we had either 1) a pile of donation forms there since depending on the vintage HDDs are worth $$ 2) If we just had a big sheet for people to write their name and the serial numbers of the HDDs they've donated. regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Down at the space right now, but not for much longer, and wanted to get some computers up and running for SynHak use but we have no hard drives. If you have any spare IDE/SATA laptop or desktop HDD that you are no longer using please consider donating them to the space. You can leave them on the table in the EE Lab and I'll put them to good use in the computers downstairs. Just a disclaimer that depending on the amount of drives received they may be put in units to be sold to raise funds for SynHak, so please don't donate one that you might want back in a few months. Thanks, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives
IDE works fine with the desktops. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: June 24, 2014 9:45 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives if IDE would work for now, afaik nothing down there is too good *a-hem, too new to support at least 1 channel (could always ghost over to a better hard drive later) I have some 80g drives from an ide based raid setup (ya, i laughed too. (here is a similar card - http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1026364866.jpg)) I can lay my hands on 3, there are more around here. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Some of those were personal property of former members of SynHak and the others I'm not sure of. However Becca and I are working to get some desktops up and running as public workstations. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 24, 2014 5:19 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives I have been reminded that at 21 W North we had 8 working desktop computers. Are they buried? Or are we trying to restore every computer shell in SynHak? regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:25 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It might be helpful come tax season if we had either 1) a pile of donation forms there since depending on the vintage HDDs are worth $$ 2) If we just had a big sheet for people to write their name and the serial numbers of the HDDs they've donated. regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Down at the space right now, but not for much longer, and wanted to get some computers up and running for SynHak use but we have no hard drives. If you have any spare IDE/SATA laptop or desktop HDD that you are no longer using please consider donating them to the space. You can leave them on the table in the EE Lab and I'll put them to good use in the computers downstairs. Just a disclaimer that depending on the amount of drives received they may be put in units to be sold to raise funds for SynHak, so please don't donate one that you might want back in a few months. Thanks, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] amazon prime account?
I do --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: June 19, 2014 3:51 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] amazon prime account? Anybody have an Amazon Prime account that I can use to buy some tools for me and/or the new Bike Shop at SH? If yes, let me know and I will be in touch with order details. Can transfer funds to the account holder by PayPal immediately. Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] amazon prime account?
I have a PayPal however I wouldn't be able to order the items until it was in my bank account --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: June 19, 2014 4:08 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] amazon prime account? Steve, Do you also have a PayPal account or do you want me to pay you another way? I will get of list of stuff to buy and contact you soon. Thanks, Philip On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I do --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: June 19, 2014 3:51 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] amazon prime account? Anybody have an Amazon Prime account that I can use to buy some tools for me and/or the new Bike Shop at SH? If yes, let me know and I will be in touch with order details. Can transfer funds to the account holder by PayPal immediately. Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives
Down at the space right now, but not for much longer, and wanted to get some computers up and running for SynHak use but we have no hard drives. If you have any spare IDE/SATA laptop or desktop HDD that you are no longer using please consider donating them to the space. You can leave them on the table in the EE Lab and I'll put them to good use in the computers downstairs. Just a disclaimer that depending on the amount of drives received they may be put in units to be sold to raise funds for SynHak, so please don't donate one that you might want back in a few months. Thanks,Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] RAM
If someone has a spare 1GB DDR (just plain DDR) stick of desktop RAM that they aren't using and are willing to give away could you bring it tonight. Got a PowerMac G5 and want to max out the ram at 8GB but was 1 stick short and needs installed in pairs . Thanks, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings
Yea I just got to say that I am against a time limit for proposals at a meeting. As just said, a huge issue is getting people in turn when instead a question should be asked and then answered. Lets not limit any discussion that could help us grow. -Steve From: just...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:26:19 -0400 To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings The issue I see is that a meeting is not well moderated. When rebuttals occur we need to keep the conversation on point and focused. I stand behind the idea of rebuttals occurring and a response allowed by the sponsor of the proposal. Party A proposed idea. Party B ask a questionParty A gets to respondParty C can ask a new question or ask for clarificationParty A can clarify. So often the moderator starts with who had their hands raised first. A then B then C then D then E then A then C then A then F. (see the difficulty?) We are all waiting our turn for our own point instead of handling our points in order. Presenting and idea in 10 mins is easy. Answering all questions and debates in 10 mins is very hard. Motions to vote, table, close meeting, etc are standard procedures that any member can initialize and 2nd. We have used them in the past. They work very well. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM, alex kot ak47...@gmail.com wrote: Never heard about the create a motion to vote or motion to table until today. Either way they reason I brought this up, people dread the meetings due to the length of them. I have been to many Start Up pitches where you have only 5 mins to convey the whole concept of your company. I feel if you cannot present your topic of proposal within 10 minutes you should probably create a more clarified version of what you are trying to convey. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: IMO we don't need to set a time max. Under our current operation. When someone has felt the discussion has gone long enough they can create a motion to vote or motion to table the discussion. With a 2nd person 2nd the motion a vote occurs. The moderator's job is to keep discussion on point and for those who want to speak the opportunity to speak. Justin On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: PM: -I thought we did a way with blocking and consensus with your straight voting proposal? -- Forwarded message -- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:40 AM Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Time Limit proposals during meetings To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Problem: Meetings get drawn out too long when proposals are brought up. Solution: Mandatorily when a proposal is brought up during the meeting it can be only discussed for 10 minutes max. The person who created the proposal will become the moderator at that time; to insure that time is justified for the discussion. Other: Current proposals rules Proposals are discussed for one meeting, and decided upon at the meeting that immediately follows. Proposals may be brought up at any time, but must be discussed for at least one week before any decision is made. During that week, discussion must happen during a regular weekly meeting. Proposals are decided upon at the first meeting that immediately follows that one week discussion period. You need to be at the deciding meeting to block consensus or otherwise contribute to the decision. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
I'm all for SMF or phpbb --- Original Message --- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 6:41 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
Craig, I have quite a bit of experience admining forums and would be up to doing it so long as there wlis someone else willing to help from time to time. Steve --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 10:07 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. I am for SMF but hope someone else can help admin it (who has experience how much daily work that is). Perhaps most could be mitigated by requiring an invite from an admin with a direct email, and having no automated sign up system of any kind. I have a whm/cpanel host that can run it with a few clicks, shall I set it up? Tonight I can setup synhak.net to point to it (synhak.org is still in transfer) On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I'm all for SMF or phpbb --- Original Message --- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 6:41 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes.
Andrew, We are going to start using Google drive for taking notes so the chance of a HD failure causing lost minutes will be virtually none. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 6, 2014 2:38 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes. I would like some clarification on the dues payment: By forgiving dues debt aren't we simply postponing work that needs to be done anyways? How detailed does our tax return need to be, I can't imagine the IRS being content with a simple account balance. Especially AFAIK dues are considered donations and tax deductable. Second: I am confused about when the minutes are saying payment is due. I have been under the impression, and distinctly remember many meetings stating that, dues for a month are due at the -beginning- of the month. That is June dues are expected at the end of May, or the first 10(?) days of June. A point about member suspension or removal. The dated letter, email, or conversation transcript used to inform the member of their possible suspension and subsequent board meeting discussion is something that needs to be on file with the secretary in the event the suspension or removal is challenged. a minor note, is the technical delay behind minutes distribution being handled so it doesn't happen habitually? regards, Andrew L On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: --Meeting at 48 S Summit St on June 3rd 2014-- *Note Taker:* Craig and Steve *Moderator:* Alex *Intro:* Alex: IT Work Craig: take notes Steve: alternate note taker Justin: eats Panera bread Jim: wife saw in newspaper, jack of all trades, jack of none Andy: electronics and build ddr pads James: software dev, isp, laser and more Chris: completes electric moped Theresa: found from welding class, Learns Angelo: bicycle repair and design Phillip: today is a secretary for himself Adam: likes to party *Announcements:* Phillip: Akron art walk 5-10pm this Saturday – call for volunteers 1@6 2@8 2@9 Bring your projects P: will show it off. Justin: Cleveland b sides (Free) Sunday July 19th @ Grog shop – more than IT (impromptu security and technology meet) bsidescle.com Call for talks Devin: new keys to the space, if you still need the updated key contact Devin: Welding class this Wednesday – signup sheet up front Alex: wireless mesh hackathon this weekend, more info @ meetup% Will be building wireless mesh nodes complete with food, presenters and nice things. Build your own ISP. Bring an old wifi router if you have one. Akron art walk will be stopping by. Doors open Noon to Midnight - 1-5 mainly Andy: Trotcon in Columbus June 20th to the 22nd Justin: The board meeting from yesterday’s notes will be available soon. Looking into change of IRS documents, minor changes to bylaws. Because of the lack of financial records we will be starting clean with membersip dues. As of this month all previous membership dues are forgiven. If you have prepaid contact the treasurer for credit, otherwise dues are due at the end of the month as normal G is our new communications officerCommunications officer Mailing list being maintained by Craig, migration in progress away from AWS Torrie has been removed from synhak for 90days, more details in board minutes. A technical glitch is preventing the notes from that meeting from being released, it will be sent shortly *Membership:* no new applications *Financial:* *Proposals:* Phillip: PROPOSAL This is a formal Proposal to remodel and equip the space now known as the Bike Shop at SYN/HAK and to purchase bike-specific and general-use tools. The project requires a lot of work, lots of tools, and some equipment to actually become a functioning bicycle maintenance and repair station. The estimated cost for paint, lighting, electrical upgrades, workbenches, equipment, and tools is $1100. An in-progress list of things to buy with the allocated funds is included at the end of this message. Note that it is subject to revision. The Proposal is to be funded by SYN/HAK. (full text on the mailing list) OBJECTIVE A working Bike Shop at SYN/HAK, with the proper tools and necessary equipment, will be a valuable addition to the list of services, activities, and opportunities already available at the space. It will be an investment in the future of SYN/HAK, in that it will serve as a major point of interest and activity for both members and non-members. A Bike Shop will provide users with everything needed to perform bike maintenance, do repairs, restore old bikes, repaint bikes, and fabricate new bikes, trikes, and carriers. SYN/HAK will be able to provide users access to the tools and equipment in the Bike Shop most any day of the week, depending on the Open Hours schedule. It will be the only Bike Shop in the Akron area
Re: [SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes.
Andrew, Last time I was there it was hit and miss but it worked for what I needed. When I'm done with the board meeting notes summary it will be sent to the board for approval as accurate then posted to the list. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 6, 2014 3:39 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes. Sounds good to me Steve! Is the synhak router still giving you problems? Justin, my main concern was making sure proposals didn't get delayed due to clerical errors causing failures to adhere to protocol. Having an informed community is central to following our mission. regards, Andrew L On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Andrew, We are going to start using Google drive for taking notes so the chance of a HD failure causing lost minutes will be virtually none. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 6, 2014 2:38 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes. I would like some clarification on the dues payment: By forgiving dues debt aren't we simply postponing work that needs to be done anyways? How detailed does our tax return need to be, I can't imagine the IRS being content with a simple account balance. Especially AFAIK dues are considered donations and tax deductable. Second: I am confused about when the minutes are saying payment is due. I have been under the impression, and distinctly remember many meetings stating that, dues for a month are due at the -beginning- of the month. That is June dues are expected at the end of May, or the first 10(?) days of June. A point about member suspension or removal. The dated letter, email, or conversation transcript used to inform the member of their possible suspension and subsequent board meeting discussion is something that needs to be on file with the secretary in the event the suspension or removal is challenged. a minor note, is the technical delay behind minutes distribution being handled so it doesn't happen habitually? regards, Andrew L On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: --Meeting at 48 S Summit St on June 3rd 2014-- *Note Taker:* Craig and Steve *Moderator:* Alex *Intro:* Alex: IT Work Craig: take notes Steve: alternate note taker Justin: eats Panera bread Jim: wife saw in newspaper, jack of all trades, jack of none Andy: electronics and build ddr pads James: software dev, isp, laser and more Chris: completes electric moped Theresa: found from welding class, Learns Angelo: bicycle repair and design Phillip: today is a secretary for himself Adam: likes to party *Announcements:* Phillip: Akron art walk 5-10pm this Saturday – call for volunteers 1@6 2@8 2@9 Bring your projects P: will show it off. Justin: Cleveland b sides (Free) Sunday July 19th @ Grog shop – more than IT (impromptu security and technology meet) bsidescle.com Call for talks Devin: new keys to the space, if you still need the updated key contact Devin: Welding class this Wednesday – signup sheet up front Alex: wireless mesh hackathon this weekend, more info @ meetup% Will be building wireless mesh nodes complete with food, presenters and nice things. Build your own ISP. Bring an old wifi router if you have one. Akron art walk will be stopping by. Doors open Noon to Midnight - 1-5 mainly Andy: Trotcon in Columbus June 20th to the 22nd Justin: The board meeting from yesterday’s notes will be available soon. Looking into change of IRS documents, minor changes to bylaws. Because of the lack of financial records we will be starting clean with membersip dues. As of this month all previous membership dues are forgiven. If you have prepaid contact the treasurer for credit, otherwise dues are due at the end of the month as normal G is our new communications officerCommunications officer Mailing list being maintained by Craig, migration in progress away from AWS Torrie has been removed from synhak for 90days, more details in board minutes. A technical glitch is preventing the notes from that meeting from being released, it will be sent shortly *Membership:* no new applications *Financial:* *Proposals:* Phillip: PROPOSAL This is a formal Proposal to remodel and equip the space now known as the Bike Shop at SYN/HAK and to purchase bike-specific and general-use tools. The project requires a lot of work, lots of tools, and some equipment to actually become a functioning bicycle maintenance and repair station. The estimated cost for paint, lighting, electrical upgrades, workbenches, equipment, and tools is $1100. An in-progress list of things to buy with the allocated funds is included at the end of this message. Note that it is subject to revision. The Proposal
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
I'll take a look at it --- Original Message --- From: Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com Sent: June 5, 2014 1:24 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Justin Can you try to fix it please? Rob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like we are still missing from the http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces page On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: as for google maps, i went here (to the about tab on the google+ page) and clicked not true. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Hackerspaces.org is currently updated. I removed or modified some of the comments depending on how inflammatory or useful they were. To edit you need to create an account and answer a 'prove you're human question' regards, Andrew L On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Space doesn't belong to anyone. the moon doesn't belong to anyone. these are really beautiful principles in life and as soon as a country figures out a way to get control of them, it disappears. I am an optimist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnghGBBP2Q#t=486 Sounded similar to how I felt right about now, thought I'd share. Woz is an optimist for net neutrality, I'm an optimist for Syn/Hak. There is always a way dammit. fist bump On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I tried editing the hackerspaces wiki but it won't let me save the changes. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:55:39 -0400 From: de...@midnight30products.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Hackerspaces.org was changed as well On Jun 2, 2014 2:40 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I am going to issues a statement on facebook stating that SYNHAK is not closed and that it is in fact Open with quite a few events scheduled for the upcoming weeks On Jun 2, 2014 2:36 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: The thing is Torrie is the one with access to our Google account according to everyone I know. I have been asking for access but no one else has it. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:36:03 -0400 From: just...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Who ever has ownership should change this. Until that is complete... Everyone should make the info as inaccurate and say that the space is open. On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I reported it, saying that the information is wrong. Google has to review it though, maybe something from the board could speed this along? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:27:11 -0400 From: blsalc...@yahoo.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Should we release a statement saying we arent . how do we change this? On Jun 2, 2014 2:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I show permanently closed On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: It says closed or moved. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https
[SH-Discuss] Computers in Basement
To anyone who has a computer in the basement, If you have a personal computer in the basement can you please take it, or put your name on it, so that it does not end up in the inventory of computers that I am putting together. If by next Tuesday, 9 June 2014, it isn't set aside/labeled then there is a possibility of it ending up in the inventory, if one of your computers are already in there, send me an email with the # and model on the sticky note. Thanks, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
It says closed or moved. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
I reported it, saying that the information is wrong. Google has to review it though, maybe something from the board could speed this along? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:27:11 -0400 From: blsalc...@yahoo.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Should we release a statement saying we arent . how do we change this? On Jun 2, 2014 2:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I show permanently closed On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: It says closed or moved. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
The thing is Torrie is the one with access to our Google account according to everyone I know. I have been asking for access but no one else has it. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:36:03 -0400 From: just...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Who ever has ownership should change this. Until that is complete... Everyone should make the info as inaccurate and say that the space is open. On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I reported it, saying that the information is wrong. Google has to review it though, maybe something from the board could speed this along? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:27:11 -0400 From: blsalc...@yahoo.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Should we release a statement saying we arent . how do we change this? On Jun 2, 2014 2:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I show permanently closed On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: It says closed or moved. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
I tried editing the hackerspaces wiki but it won't let me save the changes. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:55:39 -0400 From: de...@midnight30products.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Hackerspaces.org was changed as well On Jun 2, 2014 2:40 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I am going to issues a statement on facebook stating that SYNHAK is not closed and that it is in fact Open with quite a few events scheduled for the upcoming weeks On Jun 2, 2014 2:36 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: The thing is Torrie is the one with access to our Google account according to everyone I know. I have been asking for access but no one else has it. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:36:03 -0400 From: just...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Who ever has ownership should change this. Until that is complete... Everyone should make the info as inaccurate and say that the space is open. On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I reported it, saying that the information is wrong. Google has to review it though, maybe something from the board could speed this along? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:27:11 -0400 From: blsalc...@yahoo.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Should we release a statement saying we arent . how do we change this? On Jun 2, 2014 2:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I show permanently closed On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: It says closed or moved. Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] thursday is trash day
Philip, We are all aware that Thursday is trash night, however open hours were canceled last night and we were all there for maybe 5 mins tops. I wasn't aware that we even had much trash to even worry about taking out as we don't make much to begin with. Remember that SYNHAK is a volunteer organization and that people probably aren't going to or just won't think of driving down just to take out the trash. I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm to keep SYNHAK functioning and clean, I just feel that you might be going about it the wrong way. Steve --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 23, 2014 5:06 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] thursday is trash day Thursday is the night to fill up the two big brown trash cans and put them on the curb. SH pays a monthly fee for trash service, whether the cans are put out or not. For the third time in the last eight weeks, nobody moved the cans to the curb. Maybe next week? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest
Philip, I don't think there was a lack of enthusiasm for the contest. A lot of members, myself included, were reluctant to commit SynHak to the contest without the details of it finalized for a review. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 21, 2014 8:39 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest TWIMC at SH Short version = The contest has been cancelled. Long version = Because I was feeling like I did not have sufficient support and enthusiasm from the members of SYN/HAK for the garage door design contest I created, I brought up the subject at last night's weekly meeting. Since the contest requires considerable time to create the individual entries and marketing materials, plus requires an initial outlay of personal funds, I wanted to get a quick Yes or No vote from the 14 SH members present at the meeting. If a majority of members voted to continue working on the contest or abandon the contest immediately, I would have been able to end the discussion during the meeting within two minutes. A positive outcome would have prompted further discussion after the meeting or, online, through email. Unfortunately, the simple request for a quick vote turned to the usual chaos we have all seen at the weekly meetings over the past few months when new subjects and issues are presented. What should have been a two minute exercise in group democracy rapidly descended into the all-too-common middle-school playground fight, with petty bickering, silly suggestions, frivolous warnings against undesirable images, and outright stupid comments. There were a few good ideas about improving the contest, but it was hard to concentrate with all the noise. Just because the contest winner would get 1/3 of the entry fees collected is not a valid reason the make the entry fee evenly divisible by 3. As the contest originator, why should I have to appeal to the math-challenged contestant? Anybody who progressed past 6th grade should not have a problem with a decimal or fractional reminder after performing a numerical division. Several members brought up the apparently real possibility of lurking artistic trolls who are just waiting for an opportunity to mess with a contest and produce results in line with their anti-social agenda. I am still waiting for the video or still photos of the anonymous trolls. I even had to defend the use of paint and/or decals as a safe medium that would not interfere with the functionality of the garage door. I wonder about such an imagination that ponders a winning design that might require 35 coats of paint, weighing over 100 lbs. Or, maybe they thought the use of a decal would somehow prevent the door from bending at the hinges? After careful consideration and a willingness to accept a minor financial loss, I have decided to end the contest before it ever got started. The $55 collected from five people, from a total of eleven entries purchased even before the final details were worked out, will be returned to them in full. The $30 gift certificate for the contest winner that was made available by Urban Eats Cafe and Patnode Photography will be converted to cash and distributed back to the sponsors. The conversation about contest co-sponsorship with another downtown business will be terminated. From a personal standpoint, I am withdrawing from any involvement in the repair or repainting of the SH garage door. It is not my project and I will not spend any time, money, or energy on it. Someone else can take it on as a project, if they are so inclined. I also don't want to be involved in any project concerning the exterior of the building, such as signage, mailbox location, installing a RFID door entry system, use of a garage door opener, CFLs for lighting, etc. Don't ask me for my opinion about what the garage door should look like or what kind of signage should be on the building or where to install the mailbox. I really don't care about any of the possibilities. This incident has definitely had an adverse effect on my morale and attitude about SYN/HAK and some of the members. I will be way more cautious in the future before I try to do something positive for the organization. There is a limit to the artificial drama, negativity, and pettiness I am willing to tolerate. Sincerely, Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] nomination for Champion
I'll second/third that as well Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 12:00:03 -0400 From: de...@midnight30products.com To: discuss@synhak.org CC: bo...@synhak.org; memb...@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] nomination for Champion I second that nomination. On May 19, 2014 11:51 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I wish to nominate Becca for Champion. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Board Meeting Minutes 19 May 2014
Board Meeting 19 May 2014 Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Moderator: Devin Wolfe AJ9 Xander Steve G - Board Philip Devin - champion Justin - Board Becca - Board Purpose: Elect 3 champions from the following nominations: Steve Radonich IV, Philip, Craig, Justin, G, and Becca. Steve - 5 Philip - 1 Craig - 3 Justin - 4 G - 2 Becca - 3 Tie Breaker: Becca - 3 Craig - 2 Can't reach Craig for proxy vote. He was reached before the time was up for the meeting. Devin: Everyone ok with a hand raise? All: Yes Devin: All for Becca? All: Raises their hands. New Champions: Steve Justin Becca Meeting Ends: 16:59 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall?
Haha I remember that guy taking the picture --- Original Message --- From: gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com Sent: May 15, 2014 12:35 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] How was oddmall? I couldn't go, how was oddmall this year? Btw.. this picture literally made me jump off my seat and I was like it is so appropriate!!! /cc Steve R. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=726202270736330set=a.726781774011713type=1theater For those who can't see the photo, there's a label on a door that says 'games out the wazoo' and Steve's passing by and fixing his shirt... rofl (but in a good way) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to manage proposal approval.
You can add me to those who endorse this --- Original Message --- From: Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com Sent: May 14, 2014 11:11 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to manage proposal approval. from Wikipedia: A *filibuster* is a parliamentary procedurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_procedurewhere debate is extended, allowing one or more members to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a given proposal. It is sometimes referred to as *talking out a bill*,[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster#cite_note-1 and characterized as a form of obstruction in a legislaturehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislatureor other decision-making body. so, is this to supersede Steve's proposal process? I see no mention of blocking, which I don't think I really understood anyways, seemed like just a more overt form of filibustering. Not against dropping that usage, I just want to make sure I understand. -also, this seems pretty simple and easy to understand. I like simple On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Issue being resolved: As SynHak has grown larger, SynHak has undergone some growing pains. Valuable individuals have come and been scared off by our elaborate procedures and processes. Browbeating has become all too common. When motions with members are seconded and modified voting has occurred decisions have been able to be made without long fruitless tirades. A clear proposal and decision making strategy would help us avoid 3 hour meetings where everyone feels like they went though a battle. Voting treats all members present at the meeting and members who announce a proxy before meetings to have an equal voice. In addition voting will allow us to move forward and return to the meetings of the past. Our meetings could be quick and productive, instead of long and tiresome. It will curb grandstanding, soap-boxing, meandering of topics, and filibustering. IMO discussion is vital to hash out ideas but not all discussion needs to occur during public meetings. In addition voting does not need to be used at all times. example: A member motions to close the meeting, someone seconds it. No one speaks up for opposition. The motion passes.) (2nd example: A proposal is presented do do X.Y.Z. A discussion occurs. During the discussion members and non members voice their opinions. Some members agree with the proposal while others don't. A member calls for a vote. A verbal vote of the members in good standing and their selected proxy. A majority of more than 50% of the total votes cast and the proposal passes, 50% (or less) and the proposal fails with the option to be resubmitted and reapplied later. Proposal: SynHak will follow the organization's by-laws, and use discussion and if necessary, voting of the members present, in good standing, at the membership meeting (including proxies) to handle all proposals that public meeting discussion has show to have opposing voices. Any member can call for a silent ballot but verbal ballots will be the default. For a proposal to pass, more than 50% of the votes cast must agree with the proposal. Submitted By: Justin Herman Proposal Endorsed by: Devin Wolfe Chris Neer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
Following the events at last nights meeting, and discussion with many different members, I've decided to move forward with my proposal to have Torrie removed from the SYNHAK community. I am going to make some slight modifications to it below and please give your feedback, this will be concensed (Spelling?) on next Tuesday. The proposal is as follows: To revoke Torrie Fisher's membership, with the option to reapply, and forbidding her from being at SYNHAK, or any event SYNHAK is providing, for a period of 180 days. End Proposal. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
Chris, Maybe I'm not explaining it right, but we will consense on the original proposal that has been up for 2 1/2 weeks on Tuesday. Discuss the new proposal to amend it Tuesday, and consense on the second meeting. There is no violation of that rule there and therefore isn't valid. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:55:23 -0400 From: ch...@chrisegeland.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK Steve, After proposals are modified, they are considered new proposals. Per the meeting on February 25, 2014, which you were present at: ** “ Proposals must be sent in full to discuss@synhak.org, with the exact wording that will be decided upon. Any modifications to the text must be considered as a wholly new proposal.” This was approved by the membership. Your convoluted if-thens system does not change this. So, yes, this is a new proposal. It's gotta be discussed at next week's meeting. Sincerely, Chris Egeland PS: Is the NES in the basement mine or yours? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Chris, Following the rules is technically impossible as they contradict themselves, but I am going to amend this proposal as follows: To change the wording of the original proposal to remove Torrie from SynHak to read as follows: To revoke Torrie Fisher's membership, with the option to reapply, and forbidding her from being at SYNHAK, or any event SYNHAK is providing, for a period of 180 days. End Proposal. So Tuesday May 20th we will consense on the proposal that I proposed on April 30th that reads: I am proposing the following: The removal of Torrie Fischer from the SYNHAK community for the following reasons. * Negatively talking about SYNHAK affecting the public opinion of the community on the mailing lists, examples being: * Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 * Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and Andy's persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in the San Francisco because SYNHAK is dead to me. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to remove Justin from the board. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the hacker communities. - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 * RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. - Wed, April 30 2014 14:29 * Publicly attacking Steve Radonich IV and Andy B. on the mailing list by unjustly calling them names, examples being: * Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the board :) - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Andy * Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all decided to go along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop someone from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel completely unsafe! - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Steve * A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 - Directed towards Steve * Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: - Wed, April 30 2014 16:12 - Directed towards Steve * Using her position of Treasurer to target those she has a disagreement with: * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and Andy have been told no on reimbursements and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because it is discriminatory. - Tue, April 29 2014 - Meeting Minutes It is with these issues, and others that I may not even be aware of, that I feel Torrie Fischer is no longer someone SYNHAK can afford to have around. Causing division and strife within the community, then refusing to take responsibility for it. She has shown that she can't be trusted in a position of power within SYNHAK as she uses it as a weapon on her personal enemies. Personally attacking members, calling them transphobes when there is no evidence of such, talking negatively about SYNHAK, and saying that SYNHAK is dead are all reasons for removal. Plus if she thinks it's dead then there is no reason for her to be here any ways as it will just cause trouble. This proposal has been on the table for a few weeks, and has been discussed at 2 meetings now. The proposal that I proposed today would just amend it to read as stated above. Certainly that does not violate any rules. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:40:46 -0400 From: ch...@chrisegeland.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK Steve, Keep it professional. I'm not insulting you, so I demand
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
The NES in the basement is mine, with SMB2 From: nesfr...@outlook.com To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:57:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK Chris, Maybe I'm not explaining it right, but we will consense on the original proposal that has been up for 2 1/2 weeks on Tuesday. Discuss the new proposal to amend it Tuesday, and consense on the second meeting. There is no violation of that rule there and therefore isn't valid. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:55:23 -0400 From: ch...@chrisegeland.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK Steve, After proposals are modified, they are considered new proposals. Per the meeting on February 25, 2014, which you were present at: ** “ Proposals must be sent in full to discuss@synhak.org, with the exact wording that will be decided upon. Any modifications to the text must be considered as a wholly new proposal.” This was approved by the membership. Your convoluted if-thens system does not change this. So, yes, this is a new proposal. It's gotta be discussed at next week's meeting. Sincerely, Chris Egeland PS: Is the NES in the basement mine or yours? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Chris, Following the rules is technically impossible as they contradict themselves, but I am going to amend this proposal as follows: To change the wording of the original proposal to remove Torrie from SynHak to read as follows: To revoke Torrie Fisher's membership, with the option to reapply, and forbidding her from being at SYNHAK, or any event SYNHAK is providing, for a period of 180 days. End Proposal. So Tuesday May 20th we will consense on the proposal that I proposed on April 30th that reads: I am proposing the following: The removal of Torrie Fischer from the SYNHAK community for the following reasons. * Negatively talking about SYNHAK affecting the public opinion of the community on the mailing lists, examples being: * Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 * Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and Andy's persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in the San Francisco because SYNHAK is dead to me. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to remove Justin from the board. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the hacker communities. - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 * RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. - Wed, April 30 2014 14:29 * Publicly attacking Steve Radonich IV and Andy B. on the mailing list by unjustly calling them names, examples being: * Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the board :) - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Andy * Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all decided to go along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop someone from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel completely unsafe! - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Steve * A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 - Directed towards Steve * Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: - Wed, April 30 2014 16:12 - Directed towards Steve * Using her position of Treasurer to target those she has a disagreement with: * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and Andy have been told no on reimbursements and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because it is discriminatory. - Tue, April 29 2014 - Meeting Minutes It is with these issues, and others that I may not even be aware of, that I feel Torrie Fischer is no longer someone SYNHAK can afford to have around. Causing division and strife within the community, then refusing to take responsibility for it. She has shown that she can't be trusted in a position of power within SYNHAK as she uses it as a weapon on her personal enemies. Personally attacking members, calling them transphobes when there is no evidence of such, talking negatively about SYNHAK, and saying that SYNHAK is dead are all reasons for removal. Plus if she thinks it's dead then there is no reason for her to be here any ways as it will just cause trouble. This proposal has been on the table for a few weeks, and has been discussed at 2 meetings now. The proposal that I proposed today would just amend it to read as stated above. Certainly that does not violate any rules. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
Craig, No doubt, I didn't hear him say that and was just asking. If he said that he was then I would have believed him right there, but hadn't heard a thing. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:04:14 -0400 From: mm1...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I also have doubts about a CWG's ability to resolve this particular situation, but that's too long of an email to write today. Xander mentioned he had prepaid for a year, and said he would block the proposal. This, having never had any reason to doubt what he says, means to me he is still a member. This is an example of exactly what some are worried about. You just met him two weeks ago, Why the doubt? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Xander, I really am not meaning to be rude in asking, but are you even still a member? You showed up a couple weeks ago for the first time since I've been at SYNHAK and everyone I talked to said that you were no long a part of SYNHAK. I'm glad you're back, I'm just confused and wondering if you have any right to block the proposal. I've said many times, and I think Torrie has demonstrated, that until she takes a break from the community and uses the time to reflect and realize that she has been causing some serious issues dividing the community there is no working it out. After last night she has shown me that she isn't truly sorry or even understands what it is that she has done or said, and I am not the only one that feels this way. A Community Working Group will only work if both parties are willing to be truthful and work it out, and I know Torrie says that she is, but she has continually shown that she isn't and always feels like she is being attacked. This is not meant as a way to attack or punish her, but address the issues she has caused. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 18:22:24 -0400 From: coinspel...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I will block this proposal if it is put up to a vote this Tuesday. It also saddens me that this is coming up once again and the discussion on the CWG has been silent. Torrie is leaving for two weeks. I agree with Chris that it is not fair for us to try to push something like this through while she is away. Let's get the CWG moving if we want to resolve this. A meeting where five or more of us gang up on one person is not productive. Hell, we could even stage an intervention of sorts so that way the parties that need to discuss this can be present and no one else needs to be bothered by this because, frankly, the people who are not involved in this conflict are tired of hearing about it and tired of having our meetings involving discussion about this. Believing that we could do any sort of conflict resolution in the discussion section of our meetings was a failure on all of our parts. If someone has problems with another member, they should be part of the solution and help with the CWG. The methods proposed for the CWG to use are mature, effective methods for conflict resolution. I feel creating opportunities for us to discuss these personal conflicts all at once is terribly ineffective and it airs all of synhak's dirty laundry on the mailing list. Not only that but no one listens to each other when we discuss this stuff at meetings. I see a lot of wrong on every side of this issue. No one is blameless in this scenario. Removing Torrie from synhak won't improve our culture. It just sets a precedent of us taking the easy way out of conflict resolution. I would be proud to be the bigger person and set a great example in our entire community by resolving this conflict in a polite, non argumentative manner so everyone is satisfied. I am hoping others strive for that sort of pride. I am begging all of our members to *please* give the CWG a chance. I really believe that we can make a big difference and improve the future of synhak. No issue is too big or complicated that it can't be sorted out by those willing to sit down and discuss it. Torrie said multiple times last night that she would love to discuss this in a safe place with a mediator. Let's slowly put down our pitchforks and raise our methods of effective, non violent communication! It'll be super fun! Alright, no it won't be but I think we'll all be a lot happier with ourselves if we do. -Xander On May 14, 2014 4:57 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Chris, Maybe I'm not explaining it right, but we will consense on the original proposal that has been up for 2 1/2 weeks on Tuesday. Discuss the new proposal to amend it Tuesday, and consense on the second meeting. There is no violation of that rule there and therefore isn't valid. -Steve Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:55:23 -0400 From: ch...@chrisegeland.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to manage proposal approval.
the copy online is out of date Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 21:57:46 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to manage proposal approval. Static.synhak.org should have bylaws On May 14, 2014 11:50 AM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Where is there the most up to date version of or bylaws? So those of us who need to do some research can ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
Andrew, I know we have discussed this, and I want to make this point once again. If the board is to remove someone I, and many others, feel that a proposal passed by the membership asking for her removal should be passed. It doesn't have to be that way, but if the community as a whole, roughly, passes a proposal then the board will have more reason to look at it and see just why others want her removed. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: May 15, 2014 12:56 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I will again remind everyone that removal of a member of SynHak is NOT possible through proposals. Removal or suspension of a member from SynHak is clearly and explicitly spelled out under section 5.8 of the Bylaws. Given how the majority of the board of directors have outstanding personal disputes with Torrie that are now spilling over into everyday operation. I require that if punitive measures are to be taken they be conducted by a committee so authorized as allowable under section 5.8. This committee should its creation be deemed necessary needs to be comprised of people who aren't in dispute with Torrie. Keep in mind whatever actions are taken set the precedent for our conduct. I think that the CWG deserves a chance at this. http://static.synhak.org/documents/bylaws.pdf regards, Andrew L On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Steve, I will BLOCK this proposal to evict Torrie Fishcher from SH as strongly as I opposed her attempt to block Anna-Jeannine Herman from membership at the recent meeting. You may think that this may be a solution to some of the current problems at SH, but it is not the best approach to solving them. It would be a very good day for me if I opened my email inbox in the morning to find that Torrie had voluntarily withdrawn her block to membership for AJ9 and you had withdrawn your planned proposal to dispose of Torrie by any bureaucratic means available. Torrie is a valuable member of SH and brings lots of experience, knowledge, and excellent ideas for operating and building the organization. Sure, she has her faults, but who at SH is perfect? She might have some serious personal issues with one or more members/non-members, but I sincerely believe that all the issues can be worked out - if the parties involved are willing to discuss the issues and agree in advance to accept a final solution so all can move on. Torrie has not sought out my advice, but if she did, I would suggest that she go to CA as planned and enjoy the time away from Akron and SH. When she returns, she should consider taking at least a month off from all things at SH. Thirty days is not a long time and the break would benefit everybody at SH, members and non-members. With the recent change in her employment situation, I am sure she has some priority items to deal with. Her focus should be on her new business and not the ongoing squabbles at SH. After the break of 30 or more days, I would like to see Torrie return to SH as a member, involved in her own projects and sharing her technical expertise and knowledge with others. It is way past time to stop the bickering and in-fighting that has almost brought SH to the brink of dissolution and failure. We need to work together and get back to the projects and activities that brought each of us to SH in the first place. Sincerely, Philip On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Craig, No doubt, I didn't hear him say that and was just asking. If he said that he was then I would have believed him right there, but hadn't heard a thing. -Steve -- Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:04:14 -0400 From: mm1...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I also have doubts about a CWG's ability to resolve this particular situation, but that's too long of an email to write today. Xander mentioned he had prepaid for a year, and said he would block the proposal. This, having never had any reason to doubt what he says, means to me he is still a member. This is an example of exactly what some are worried about. You just met him two weeks ago, Why the doubt? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Xander, I really am not meaning to be rude in asking, but are you even still a member? You showed up a couple weeks ago for the first time since I've been at SYNHAK and everyone I talked to said that you were no long a part of SYNHAK. I'm glad you're back, I'm just confused and wondering if you have any right to block the proposal. I've said many times, and I think Torrie has demonstrated, that until she takes a break from the community and uses the time to reflect and realize that she has been causing
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes 5/13/14
, May 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the minutes so no one has to download them to read. Moderator: Becca Salchak Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Introductions: Andy - Electronic Tech G - Organize civic hacking events Andrew - student Mike - Motorola Maxx doesn't float Justin - eat delicious stew AJ9 - fix things Philip - bicycles Linda - librarian Xander - make blankets Torrie - build the api for the internet of things Steve - I take notes Alex - IT specialist Chris Neer - thats it Dave - hope to be a part of synhak Heard about us once before then at the oddmall Craig - drowns in flooded computers Martha - likes these rolls Devin - I like dem rolls Dave2 - working on a tv script Becca - works overtime Announcements: * Dave - presentation since I'm new. I have an interest in historic preservation, I am currently involved in an effort to save the keyser farmstead in Cuyahoga Falls. Over the last few years been trying to make it more interesting to get younger people involved. What I'm looking forward to do is to take it to the next level, looking for someone with skills in robotics to help make a robotic horse, that would make people excited in history through a different approach. ** Dave2 - What do you want from us? **Dave - trying to get a smaller sized horse or pig ** Alex - robotics club on saturday ** Becca - GARC functions out of here on the 2nd saturday's where they work on robots associated with CVCA * Philip - I have 2 ** Last Saturday was the Akron Art Walk and I wound up being the only member here for 5 hours, nobody else showed up, June 7th is the next one. So next time we need to get things running for it, to get people into SYNHAK. When people come here they need to see stuff happening instead of looking at static objects. I think we need a much more active demonstration going on. So I'm setting up a signup sheet for the next walk. People had no idea what to expect because we didn't have a paragraph in the papers handed out by the city of Akron. I want to take over the art walk as far as doing something. *** Torrie - so that's a really amazing idea, but I'm leaving for San Francisco thursday but I'm coming back in 2 weeks. Can we meet thursday to work out a plan *** Philip - I need people *** Alex - Hackathon on June 7th for it *** Becca - We discussed last week to do our hackathon with the Akron Art Walk so we will have at least something going on. *** Philip - I appreciate that but we need people to explain what SYNHAK is and does so we can get people interested. *** Alex - I'll help you with the handouts if you want to work with me sometime. With info on what we do, events going on, hackathon *** Philip - Excellent ** Friend of mine owns Urban Eats, they're personal friends of mine, I talked to Devin last week that I wanted to do something about the crappy garage door. So no what I'm going to do is I have a one man business Patnode Photography so we are going to co-sponsor a jurried contest, so I'm going to make 11x17 color prints of the front of the building where people pay $5 to submit a picture with what they want to see the front door to look like. Winner will get $40 gift card, and 1/3 of the money raised Rest goes to costs. Those who submit designes and the members vote on the designs. Whoever wins by the most votes wins. *** Xander - Only comment I have is that someone would submit one great one and a bunch of meh ones *** Philip - we are going to repair the garage door, because it is bleh *** Becca - is this something we have to get approval by the landlord *** Philip - Why? *** Becca - Because it's his property *** Justin - yes we do *** Torrie - I will be submitting entries *** Justin - We need to get approval from the land lord because the lease says we can't put external signage without prior approval *** Becca - I think it's a great idea *** Philip - If we could get it done by the art walk that'd be great *** Will - are you making a requirement to say SYNHAK on it *** Xander - I asked for a copy of the lease, for the record * G - Just one: Akron Civic Hackathon, part of the national day of civic hacking, list of people making it happen, scheduled MAy 31st - June 1st, it's a vehicle for managers who have IT Problems to provide the opprotunity of volunteers to solve the problem. I'm hosting the event hoping for some press. Please RSVP on meetup if interested * Andy - Soap box derby race is starting up soon, I went last year it was really fun, check the website for a list of races * Torrie - So I started my robotics company full time phrobo.net * Alex - Doing a monthly hackathon june 7th this will be for the wireless mesh, I will be providing food. G if you could setup a meetup for that. It's basically going to be from learning how to build it to getting it built and benchmarked * Alex - Sundown rundown I'm doing a pitch there * Philip - Friday night 7
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes from 5/6/2014
Just a few things I have to say in response to this.
I skipped over a small section, I should have gone in and added it back but I
forgot about it as things were going by so fast in the discussion. I also try
my hardest to keep as close to verbatim notes as I can, and have had no one
complain about them before. Considering the notes I took for the board meeting
were praised by the manager at BFG as being more concise than their board
meetings I'm pretty confident in my note taking skills.
As Xander stated it was a discussion, as that really was my intent with the
proposal. There was however overwhelming support for some time period of
suspension of membership, though I don't think it affects much because I feel
that Torrie won't be showing up much at all anymore.
-Steve
Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 00:36:12 -0400
From: leit...@gmail.com
To: discuss@synhak.org
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes from 5/6/2014
A few things:
1) When you copy the template copy it from the page for that date. If you must
copy the meeting template from the template page be sure to remove ALL of the
formatting otherwise it is not only ugly to read but I'm sure it's a pain to
get onto the website.
2) When did Will submit his application? It was not announced to the discuss
list. Membership is a proposal you, cannot pass a membership application or any
other proposal without announcing it on the discuss list.
3) I appreciate that many people have long winded talks but please if you must
paraphrase or summarize include their main talking points in the minutes.
Though we try to have a relaxed atmosphere and avoid being official, taking
accurate minutes not only helps us remember who said what and why but these are
legal documents required to be kept as part of our incorporation. Something
like why a person wishes to join SynHak is a very important fact about them.
4) Banning, removing, suspending, or otherwise disenfranchising ANY member
without at least attempting to utilize the already proposed community working
group is beyond disappointing. These past few months have been tense and have
seen lots of unexcellent behavior out of more than a few people who know how to
conduct themselves in a civilized manner. Removing a person or persons does not
solve the problem when the issues have spilled over so completely into meetings
and mailing lists as they have here. There are some deep-seated issues that
need addressing.
Once again please read and provide input on the community working group
proposal if you note any deficiencies.
regards,
Andrew L
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote:
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes
They're on the wiki and phony should have posted it to discuss. I'm not home right now but can check it when I get there --- Original Message --- From: Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com Sent: May 7, 2014 2:39 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes Will someone please post the meeting minutes from last night on the wiki and discuss list? Thank you Rob Sent from my iPhone ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes from 5/6/2014
The meeting minutes were posted to the wiki but isn't showing up on the page.
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* Pick a moderator and note-taker
== Note-taker ==
* Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes.
** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened.
* Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting
* Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the appropriate time.
* Tell treasu...@synhak.org and secret...@synhak.org if there are new members.
If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email them.
== Moderator ==
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
* Speak minimally yourself
* Keep the meeting moving
* Handle the membership voting process
* Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, as the
template may occasionally change without warning.
** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to
proposals, so that they too may have a say in things.
== Participants ==
* Say your name the first time you speak
* Remain on-topic
* Remain respectful of other participants
= Agenda =
* '''Note Taker:''' Xander Golightley
* '''Moderator:''' Steve Radonich IV
== Introduction and Names ==
Chris - Do things
Mark Howard - Systems engineer IT dept. learning 3D printing, restore cars
Heard about us through brother in-law
Andy - Do electronics
Mike - tech support
Chris N. Aubrey - break things
Devin - fix his broken things
Steve - take notes
Will - play with numbers
Craig - play with letters
Justin - sysadmin
AJ9 - help other people express themselves
Alex - eats stew
Becca - Forgets to make bread
Matt - independent IT consultant, curry hacker
Xander - dissappear
== Announcements ==
* Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know?
* Any happenings that people should be aware of?
Chris - Yesterday I resigned as champion so don't come to me with problems
anymore
Craig - Oddmall 10 May
Alex - Derbycon, already got tickets
Devin - I am now interim treasurer, and have help from the group
Matt - Apartment across the hall from me is available
Becca - Still collecting old t-shirts, they will be destroyed and made into
something new
Alex - Sundown rundown is May 15, I'm actually going to do a talk there
G - National day of civic hacking, not planned for Akron yet but
gsvolt.wordpress.com call for help, May 31 - June 1 Knight Foundation wants to
know if SYNHAK has something we'd want to do.
G - Next akron linux user group meeting is an important one, maintainer of bash
is going to be there giving a speech, I'm commiting to schedule language
meetings, for those who want to learn or share information. June 5th
Justin - Cleveland B-sides July 19th
== Membership ==
Anna-Jeannine Herman
Why: REALLY, REALLY LONG
Sponsors: Rebecca Salchak
Andy Buczko
Craig - About Time
Devin - Mention Torchbearer's?
AJ9 - I'm a torchbearer :D Created to attract and retain young professionals in
Akron
Name: Will Schaffer
Why: Have a voice and be a tangible part of SYNHAK's future, also be eligible
to hold a key.
Sponsors: Becca Salchak
Omar Rassi
Becca - What makes you happy?
Will - Summer, excited to be done with school. Playing with computers, need to
be around people that actually know about computers.
Craig - Dog or Cat?
Will - Cat in the winter, dog summer
Mike - are you of drinking age?
Will - No.
Alex - What do you want synhak to do for you?
Will - Mostly the infrastructure, and a knowledge resource
Chris - What's your favorite beer?
Will - rootbeer
Becca - Whats your favorite dessert?
Will - Ice cream
Justin - What do you think you could help teach us?
Will - Taking digital logic design, so I know a lot. Would love to teach stuff
about that
Mike - Interested in applying for a key, whats the biggest thing that would
facilitate for you?
Will - Closed a lot
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
Hey Craig, Thanks for the advice, but I already have a 3C509B-TX and even with the original drivers installed I couldn't get a response from the DHCP server. However I popped in Windows 95C did a fresh install, and installed the 95 drivers and got it working. Figured I'll just copy over the network in 95 then boot to MS-DOS mode and go from there. I was having trouble getting it working in WFW 3.11 as well error upon boot. If you could help me getting it working in MS-DOS 6.22/WFW3.11 that would be much preferred over 95. -Steve Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 00:48:28 -0400 From: mm1...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Have you considered laplink? (being in public atm, i'm subconsciously guarding my control and alt keys as a trained side-effect of typing that name again). I could come up with isa pci scsi cards for an external half-height or a jaz drive? Whats wrong with good'ol'tcpip? I still have a few 3c509s and can probably lay my mouse on the drivers tonight, after that it's just an ftp server on yer daily driver and done. im assuming the target is dos5 or newer? On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I brought that disk for you today but you didn't show up. --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 5, 2014 4:43 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, Sorry, not available today. Now at Main library, going to SH for the 7pm board meeting. Having late dinner with a friend after the meeting. The soonest you can pick up the drive and disks would be tomorrow morning. I can meet you at McDs at Wallhaven anytime after 8am. Let me know what you want to do. Philip On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Philip, Is there anyway I can get it today? I'm willing to drive to where ever you are. -Steve Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:58:23 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, I will bring a 250 MB USB ZIP drive and two NEW 100 MB disks with me tomorrow night. You can have the box of stuff (on loan, of course) if you bring me the recovery disk for my locked up-won't run Windows XP MCE computer. No disk for me means no drive and no Zip disks for you. The loan period is ONE WEEK. I want the drive and both discs returned next week. Philip On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I would like the 250 drive and a few 100mb disks. Where can I meet you to pick them up? Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:40:09 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk SR4 I have both 100s and 250s available. How many do you want to borrow? Also have a 250 USB drive you may borrow. Let me know what you want. PPP Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
If you'll just bring them to the meeting I'll have that disc for you --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 5, 2014 4:43 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, Sorry, not available today. Now at Main library, going to SH for the 7pm board meeting. Having late dinner with a friend after the meeting. The soonest you can pick up the drive and disks would be tomorrow morning. I can meet you at McDs at Wallhaven anytime after 8am. Let me know what you want to do. Philip On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Philip, Is there anyway I can get it today? I'm willing to drive to where ever you are. -Steve -- Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:58:23 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, I will bring a 250 MB USB ZIP drive and two NEW 100 MB disks with me tomorrow night. You can have the box of stuff (on loan, of course) if you bring me the recovery disk for my locked up-won't run Windows XP MCE computer. No disk for me means no drive and no Zip disks for you. The loan period is ONE WEEK. I want the drive and both discs returned next week. Philip On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: I would like the 250 drive and a few 100mb disks. Where can I meet you to pick them up? -- Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:40:09 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk SR4 I have both 100s and 250s available. How many do you want to borrow? Also have a 250 USB drive you may borrow. Let me know what you want. PPP Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Board Meeting Minutes from 5/5/2014
Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Moderating: Becca Salchak 1917hours 5, May 2014 Introductions: Becca - Moderating - Board Matt - you know Mike - Andy - Board Steve Justin - Board Devin - Champion Chris Neer Chris - Champion Alex Craig - Board James Philip Becca- One agenda item. Proposal brought by Devin to remove Torrie Fischer from treasurer. Devin - As per request by the membership in attendance at the meeting last week there was unanimous, one ommited, support for the removal of Torrie from the position. A lot of us don't feel it is in SYNHAK's best interest to not be in charge of our money. Justin - Let's start with the grounds for removal in the bylaws. Devin - Removal of Officers Section 7.4: In the green folder, dated unknown, assuming they are the most recent. *Fill in Section 7.4* No consensus on the cards, was brought up as discussion item, some for it and some against it. No decision on this at all, but was to relieve the treasurer of the issues of being the only person handling money. James - Definition of a champion Devin - Reads from bylaws Section 7.7.1 Champions The Champions of this Corporation shall be the general managers of the corporation and shall supervise, direct, and control the Corporation's activities, affairs, and lesser officers. Additionally, Champions shall supervise and direct each other in a manner consistent with this corporation's purpose. Each Champion shall receive a full vote on the board of directors Becca - Go by to Torrie saying I want to do less. What date is that? Steve - April 29 Devin - Definition of Chief Financial Officer Section 7.7.3 The office of Treasurer shall be responsible for managing financial assets and liabilities and collecting membership dues, donations, and other revenue. All I wanted to add. Justin - What duties were expected to perform. Chris - Has anyone heard anything of any bill or financial obligation that has gone unpaid? To my knowledge they are all paid. Devin - Not off hand Chris - Informed me that she has continued to pay bills. If we have any financial obligation that is unmet I would like to hear about it. Mike - I would add to that besides the statment of intent do we have any evidence of her becoming less involved of her duties. Devin - On hiatus I forwarded a water bill to bizops? Justin - I saw it Devin - Beginning of the month. I never heard anything back. Andy - Still a lot of confusion about dues, and what people owe. Devin - Hard to say since spiff isn't working right now. I know someone has asked about their account to see where they are Mike - That was me, and said that I was fine. Besides not being officially being past due due to not being given notice. Devin - I've been paying because I don't know if I have any credit. Andy - I do know where Im at because I have stuff that needs reimbursed for the lights and she said she'd get back to me on that. Alex - Said go to spiff and reset my password, I have 2 accounts and no information. Still haven't heard been over a month since heard. Philip - Holding membership dues for May, June, July because of the senior discount proposal. I'm current as of April. I'm going to be paying 3 months at a time. If a member has not paid their dues, and they're aware of it, not only should that be transparent to everybody, and should take themselves out of contributing. Craig - I haven't paid my dues, because I don't know how much I do, and I have a pile of receipts that should be member credit. Justin - Asked about expenses for build out budget for the next few months, setup 3 month payment, asked what was going on and I was told I would be getting not reimbursed. The check sent for membership dues was never received though it said it was cashed. I am still waiting to hear about what I am owed or owe. Bank got my money back. Becca - Still haven't consensed on family membership Mike - Stalled when one of the items was questioned and it was split. Becca- Supposed to be consensed on this week and then I will pay my dues. Devin - Receipt fiasco, during the build out within reason thing for the space we would be reimbursed, and it might take some time. Might come back as cash or membership credit verbal agreement with multiple parties. I was flat out told no you spent too much so I was giving my receipts to other people so they could keep the money themselves. 77$ receipt given to Chris Neer to redeem and he got the money no problem for him. Chris Neer - Drain out front, electrical boxed, and conduit. Winter time in the flood. Becca - Do you know how much you were denied. Devin - $77 given to Chris N. The point of I don't like you so no but others were fine, How do you run a corporation like that. Philip - Hasn't been denied as we proceed here with office of the treasurer that a lot of the details about the financial structure haven't been addressed, and the treasurer being the only person authorized to spend money. We
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
I brought that disk for you today but you didn't show up. --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 5, 2014 4:43 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, Sorry, not available today. Now at Main library, going to SH for the 7pm board meeting. Having late dinner with a friend after the meeting. The soonest you can pick up the drive and disks would be tomorrow morning. I can meet you at McDs at Wallhaven anytime after 8am. Let me know what you want to do. Philip On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Philip, Is there anyway I can get it today? I'm willing to drive to where ever you are. -Steve -- Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:58:23 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, I will bring a 250 MB USB ZIP drive and two NEW 100 MB disks with me tomorrow night. You can have the box of stuff (on loan, of course) if you bring me the recovery disk for my locked up-won't run Windows XP MCE computer. No disk for me means no drive and no Zip disks for you. The loan period is ONE WEEK. I want the drive and both discs returned next week. Philip On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: I would like the 250 drive and a few 100mb disks. Where can I meet you to pick them up? -- Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:40:09 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk SR4 I have both 100s and 250s available. How many do you want to borrow? Also have a 250 USB drive you may borrow. Let me know what you want. PPP Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
Philip, Is there anyway I can get it today? I'm willing to drive to where ever you are. -Steve Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:58:23 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk Steve, I will bring a 250 MB USB ZIP drive and two NEW 100 MB disks with me tomorrow night. You can have the box of stuff (on loan, of course) if you bring me the recovery disk for my locked up-won't run Windows XP MCE computer. No disk for me means no drive and no Zip disks for you. The loan period is ONE WEEK. I want the drive and both discs returned next week. Philip On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I would like the 250 drive and a few 100mb disks. Where can I meet you to pick them up? Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:40:09 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk SR4 I have both 100s and 250s available. How many do you want to borrow? Also have a 250 USB drive you may borrow. Let me know what you want. PPP Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
Thanks for the quick reply Justin. I'll take a look later today or tomorrow. Would anyone know where they are? From: just...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 11:13:16 -0400 To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk I think I dontated a few with drives. I have no idea where they are now sry. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] anyone around?
Is anyone going to be around the space today? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk
I would like the 250 drive and a few 100mb disks. Where can I meet you to pick them up? Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 17:40:09 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] ZIP Disk SR4 I have both 100s and 250s available. How many do you want to borrow? Also have a 250 USB drive you may borrow. Let me know what you want. PPP Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss Just wondering if anyone has some old 100MB Zip disks laying around. Working on an old computer and have 2 internal drives that would make transferring software between 2 computers much easier than my 31/2 and 51/4 floppies. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] c-bog
I love this idea Craig. I would definitely second it. Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 01:12:54 -0400 From: mm1...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] c-bog I am working on a proposal for a C-BOG (community build-out group, (hyphen added for awesomeness when saying out loud))In neo-synhak fashion I'm trying to talk with groups of people individually before making a proposal that someone would go as far as to block. As with the last one I researched (laptop-gate era), I'm willing to drop if it will start a civil war. I feel most of our drama comes from too many cooks in the kitchen; the sooner many of us can feel like they can do their own projects again without feeling selfish if they are at the space and not working on infrastructure, the better. It has breed entitlement, countless disagreements on how things must be done, and the worst: fights on who the space owes more. (hint: the answer should be nobody, ever.) The idea of the proposal is to create a separate and temporary standard forman/project-lead/helper organizational structure of volunteers working towards a build-out goal consensed by the membership, funded by a cash-on-card budget (in the area of $2-4k). The treasurer would be instrumental in this process. In my head, this is little more than walls, details, and purchasing of tools so many members who have walked away (during this struggle) have de-donated. Other than the piles of stuff being where the racks were, the place looks mostly the same since March. Thoughts? p.s.If we had a guideline that: don't say anything you wouldn't say to someone's face. I'm guessing the bulk of the last few days email would not have been sent thanks to knowledge of what responses words can have when your not looking at your target through a computer screen. We will all see each other again, we live in the same community and share the same love of something that exists at a single physical location. Why people would use such strong words over email instead of directly to their adversary's face I must not grasp. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Website under for maintenance?
Not working for me or Becca either Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 19:15:57 -0400 From: ppatn...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Website under for maintenance? MG, Is your computer plugged in and turned on? Just checking, because the website is working fine for me. Now at SH and the site is accessible from the kiosk and from my laptop. No apparent problems. Try a 20oz hammer upside the right side of the case. PPP On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: Having trouble getting onto the website, is someone working on the server? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community
Of course you ignore all points I have made in the email. I have no idea what your motivations are, but you obviously started this. I love how even you can't defend what you've said. -Steve Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 11:31:51 -0400 From: mgriesac...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community I don't know how Steve or any of us can guess your motivation at times, not sure that is even a fair question, or relevant. Perhaps you would enlighten us on your motivation, but some of your behavior doesn't seem justifiable to me in any context. In this respect I will not block this proposal, however I would like to see how the rest of the members choose to deal with this, and feel that protecting/enabling abusive behavior is not really a solution that any of us should be comfortable with. I can't say I know how all of this started, as it seems that some actions are actually reactions to prior events, but we have to start making it better. I want a community that I can be proud of. regards, On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Steve, if I started things as you suggest, whats my motivation? On Thursday, May 01, 2014 04:37:33 Steve Radonich IV wrote: I understand that there is going to be a lot of resistance to such a proposal, and in fact believe that the most likely outcome is having the proposal rejected by the membership. However, I do hope that we can have a productive conversation addressing an issue that we are having that is typically left to be discussed about little groups. I do feel that Torrie has been acting in a manner that is very detrimental to the community and has caused SYNHAK to start to tear itself apart. I personally don't like my name being publicly tarnished by someone who's accusations about me are unfounded. I have admitted that my wording was not acceptable and , if I haven't already I certainly meant to, apologise to Torrie for saying those unexcellent things. What I said though does not deserve me being continually called a transphobe on the public discuss list, especially after I have addressed this before I believe multiple times. How anyone can defend her comments on the discuss list the last 24 hours really baffles my mind. Not only have I tried to discuss some of these issues on the mailing list, I have not once responded to anything Torrie has said in a nasty manner. While in comparison Torrie goes into other threads in the public mail list and trashes me there as well. On top of that after no one else on the discuss list comes to my defence when I have been the civil one in this whole affair, instead I get champions and others going to the defence of Torrie. Then when I make a proposal to have her removed from the community, because not many on the list were completely fine with her comments and sat idle, multiple people express their intentions to block it, some without any reasons as to why they're going to block it. People may not want to admit it, but there are those in the group that will not criticise Torrie no matter what she says or does, I guess because either they are very good friends with her, or because she came up with the idea of SYNHAK. I honestly had a lot of respect for her in the past, as well as enjoyed hanging out with her at and outside of SYNHAK. Up until the last 24 hours I had hope that me and her could still remain friends, however she burned that bridge as she intended to with her initial email under the Hiatus Hiatus thread. Quote from her initial email: I'm also aware of a board vote to remove me from my office of Treasurer, so I figure that I might as well join the fun and burn some bridges while I go down in beautiful crimson flames. Can someone please explain to me why I am the unreasonable one because I feel that someone who acts like that has no place in a community that is supposed to be open to everyone? Is it because I feel that she has become the center of such a big issue involving many members of SYNHAK? Ask yourself the following: Has her response to many of the emails today been in line with our Code of Conduct Be excellent to each other? I really want to have a discussion on this issue, and I thought the discuss list was a place where we all are supposed to discuss things, so as not to exclude anyone who can not make it to a Tuesday meeting. Instead when I put time into a reply that really wants to get deep into the issue and truly solve it most of my points or questions go unaddressed in responses. To sum this all up as simply as I can: The biggest problem I see is that Torrie preaches how we should all be open minded to other view points and ideas, at least giving them some serious thought, and I can totally agree with that. However, open mindedness is not a one-way street but she seems
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus
I agree with your comment that: Part of being excellent to each other is being respectful while disagreeing with a persons actions. Except that people are defending Torrie when her actions are completely opposite of this. -Steve Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 13:36:19 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus Regardless of the intended viewer intentional improper use of pronouns and various other inflammatory comments about a persons life style are not ok. Part of being excellent to each other is being respectful while disagreeing with a persons actions. Regards, Andrew L On May 1, 2014 3:51 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: My complaint about you Torie was built up over time from all of the things that I was trying to work out, deal with or just let slide. But as you can see by the complaint it has added up to a point that it was to much for me as a member to deal with. At the time, I was not a board member so I sent the complaint to what would be my superiors, the champions. It was never meant for you or anyone else to see. You really need to stop with the name calling. I agree with Steve it is you, Torrie. You are either delusional, or just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting in a manner that is not constructive to the community and are the root of a lot of problems here at SYNHAK. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, what did Justin do? All I've seen from him is a willingness to help and a voice of reason. Is this about the storage racks again? Or was there something else? On Apr 30, 2014 6:52 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. I find the above comment repulsive. I know of no one that is defining you by your genitals except for you constantly bringing it up. -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:09:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 16:40:36 Omar Rassi wrote: That email was meant to be sent to members@ as was requested. By those who were present. I asked the room if there was issues with it. No one said anything, it was even suggested to me by another member (not Chris or Torrie) that I add the preface I wrote at the beginning of it. This confused me because we are always talking about how we don't want the dirty laundry out in the open but when steps are taken to handle particular issues without escalation to the public, the champions get intentionally ignored and its viewed as as a backdoor gang up on someone else that suddenly needs transparency. It isn't mine or the champions or Torrie's fault if people don't listen to each other. I've been trying rather unsuccessfully to help people see issues differently and to encourage discussion between individuals. The biggest issue i'm seeing is that people just aren't listening each other, just simply waiting for their turn to speak. These issues won't go away no matter who comes, goes, or gets removed so long as we aren't willing to hear each other and process what is said. This is evidenced by people criticizing lengthy emails, criticizing people who take more time to complete their thoughts in a sentence, ignoring solutions that don't involve punishing people or pointing fingers and outright dismissal of ideas because they don't like the individual presenting it or the premise without presenting a solution of their own going forward. I honestly wanted to make another push along with Andrew L, its still a draft email I'm polishing. But I challenge each of you to look at yourselves in the mirror today and ask yourselves, what makes me happy? And what could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? Don't think about what other people can do differently, remember that you can only control what you do as an individual, so start there. What makes me happy? A safe space that I feel comfortable visiting. A place where I don't feel like I'm going to get my head bitten off for asking where to put the vacuum former. A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. A group of people who can judge people based on the value of their contributions and not the quantity of them or their personal perception of the balance of power. A mailing list where I can write complete thoughts and not be told that I'm trying to cause drama or that my mails are too long to consider reading, or maybe actually get the issue at hand addressed. What could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? Encouraged campaigning among the officer and board candidates to figure out what they /really/ want. Ignored any semblance
Re: [SH-Discuss] 4/29 meeting minutes
Here are the unformatted minutes, along with the text file: Moderator: Alex K. Note Taker: Steve R. Introduction: Andy - Work alot Andrew - Eats doritos Steve - Take Notes Craig - also dorito eating Mike - added more beans Philip - change career to plumber Becca - when off work still bakes a lot Omar - annilate birds with car Devin - be devin Angelo - bicycle repair Phillip - looking to join Synhak, does anything that makes money * Heard about us at last years minimaker faire Dave - Drive phillip * Heard through Phillip Will - back, plays with numbers Alex - wondering where all these noises are coming from Announcements: Craig - Cupcakes are reall really good, Mike seconds that Mike - plans on moving the screen so we can actually read it * Philip - since we are building a wall can we put the screen on the back wall and make a meeting room * Devin - was in the corner so people could read it throughout the space Devin - me and Craig are working on subarus Alex - bought ticket for derbycon, cost a lot of money, in september. It's a hacker convention Devin - After this going down to nuevo, since yesterday was his birthday Omar - After 2 cleanups the Windows 8 laptop is still not found, officially list it as MIA Devin - What are you working on? * Omar - Urinal planter * Phillip - Raspberry Pi turning it into a media frontend and SNES/NES emulator Angelo - Bike party at Lock 3 May 16th Devin - Oddmall is Saturday May 10th at John S. Knight Center Financial Report: Nothing to say Proposals: Andrew - No new membership applications * Will - Do the sponsors have to know you? * Devin - Just come and get to know people. Philip - 6 months of conversation but never proposed: Synhak establish a senior membership fee at a fixed rate, age 62 or older. Several reasons being it is in-line with other organizations and businesses, and it will be an incentive to get seniors to join synhak and bring wisdom and experience. A lot of people out there that can be approached to join. Some seniors are on limited incomes. Devin - Second the proposal Philip - I will write a formal final wording. * Alex - How are we going to prove it? * Philip - ID, Proof of age * Alex - $20 is reasonable Becca - Family proposal didn't pass but was discussed last week. * Becca read the proposal out loud * Andrew - we are making a rule for an issue that we have had no problems with at all, with the possibility of minors not being supervised. * Mike - No reason to restrict minors for having a key * Andrew - No just exclusively making an exception for Robert * Omar - Who signed the key application page? * Andrew - A parent * Becca - I think since we have to consens on a key application then we shouldn't need to restrict it based on age * Steve - I will re-write it Discuss: Will - Can we get flare on subredit * Omar - Yes Mike - Projector Screen * Andy - Big ladder to hold in different spots to try it, or move the post (j/k) * Philip - Suspend the projector from a rail * Devin - 4 point drop down with chains to hang it anywhere * Mike - wanted to suspend from the ceiling Omar - Philip brought to my attention that the kitchen fund and the beverage fund have been ignored so just a reminder if you use it drop something in please. * Philip - Rob brought in a case of 24 cans of pop last week and it's gone and not contributing * Devin - Can we glue the donation jar to the fridge, I have no problem with it seeing as it is my fridge * Omar - Put $30 worth of items in * Philip - if you get a pop put a quarter in, get a beer put a buck, sounds good to me * Andy - Got a lot of people coming in now, we need someone emptying the jars now, why not go back to devins idea and get a vending machine * Phillip - Makerspace used one for snacks as well as electronic components * Devin - Nickel slot with just random things * Becca - going along the lines, we need to start talking about more fundraising ideas. I'm planning a silent auction going down to OSC to talk to nick about using their place as a location. I don't have a problem doing it here if we can make it presentable. So I'm suggesting we go elsewhere. Torrie and I were tossing around ideas of fundraising, I suggest bumper stickers even if you don't have a car you can still slap it to other places. As well as a 50/50 raffle. * Andy - love the idea of the raffle, the family readiness group use it to support functions and it works great as well as it is very enjoyable. Weekly seems a bit much. * Becca - how do we keep track of people with the money and tickets? * Angelo - Meet once a month and always close a meeting with a 50/50 raffle, tickets are given out there at the event * Steve - someone responsible for open hours keeps track of it ** Philip - That's what I was going to say * Omar - one person on FRG commity was responsible for the raffle * Becca - I will do it the month of May * Phillip - Synhak money, synhak owes several members money for build-out of the space, I
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus
I feel that I have to reply to this as I was specifically named. One I have to say that if you were truly on hiatus then you would have delegated your duties to someone else as you would have no dealings with SYNHAK during the hiatus. I find it quite childish that you would act this way when no one has officially proposed that you be removed from SYNHAK but just from your office as treasurer. Seeing as it is quite obvious that you have not been performing your duties and specifically targeting those you have a rocky relationship with from receiving reimbursement for expenses they've taken on in order to improve SYNHAK because it takes too long to obtain the funds upfront through the treasurer. That in and of itself is grounds from being removed from the position. There are people who would like to apply for membership but feel that you, Torrie, would personally target and block their application based on personal reasons that have no affect on whether they should be a member or not. Also going out and calling Andy B. a mental midget is quite unexcellent and something SYNHAK should not tolerate. I also find it unexcellent that that email was made public as it was sent under the assumption that it was to remain private. Next comes your specifically naming me, which I find quite ridiculous. Not only were you unaware of my personal beliefs for 7/8 months, we have had meals together, hung out outside of SYNHAK, and have helped me and Matt out at OSC for which we are very thankful for. I find it quite sad that you can't get over the fact that some people have different life experiences, beliefs, values, thoughts, etc than you do and treat them with respect, as I have treated you. Not once has anyone at SYNHAK, to my knowledge, treated you differently or horribly based on the fact that you are transgendering, and neither have I. Bring up a what I admit was horribly worded as evidence as such is pathetic. Also in response to the proposal that I posted and was passed by the membership, you removed your block of it saying that you wanted to see how it would work, under the condition that I would keep track of proposals for a few months to monitor the procedures. If you had such serious issues with it, to the point where you go on slack and say that you are just going to completely ignore them and do-ocracy everything until it becomes a problem is something that I have serious issue with. Instead of trying to understand how they work, ask me or others questions of issues with the new procedure you just completely ignore them. Very unexcellent. Seeing as this has not been an issue, and is only an issue because you continue to make it so I don't see any valid reason to feel unsafe as again no one has threatened or treated you differently, and doing so would be unexcellent as well. Should you notify those outside of the issues we've had I think that it would be very unfair to the whole situation as you would be showing only one side, not to mention they could access the website and get any details they would need regarding it, and come to a meeting and ask the membership about it. Plus if you are really so tired of the issue then PLEASE stop bringing up the past, it has been settled and should no longer be an issue. Seeing as in the past we've had drugs left on a ledge in an open truck dock available for anyone passing by to see is a serious issue that should be addressed and failing to do so does not help SYNHAK as a community. I feel that a drug policy would be a plus and have a feeling other organizations would not see it as a negative either. Personally, with the way you've responded in the past and to this I would want you removed from the community completely, but would prefer to at least wait until the board meeting Monday so that you may have a chance to speak and hopefully have these issues resolved so it wouldn't come to that. I do not know who you talk to, but last night I talked to at least half of the membership and the name that kept popping up as causing an issue at SYNHAK is not mine, nor is it Andy, it is you, Torrie. You are either delusional, or just fail to accept the obvious that you have been acting in a manner that is not constructive to the community and are the root of a lot of problems here at SYNHAK. I agree that we can fix it and we are trying to, I just feel that the solution is one that you are not going to like, especially if you feel the need to keep calling people out and personally attacking them. I am quite sad that it has come to this, as I considered you a friend but I can not any longer. I can certainly get a long with you at the space, and act civilly but I have lost a tremendous amount of respect for you and see no way of that changing unless you change your attitude. -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:29:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus On
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Family Dues Structure
Not a problem Mike, it needed done as the original proposal was very vague and used strange wording. Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:40:10 -0400 From: mgriesac...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Family Dues Structure thanks for splitting this off of the original proposal and cleaning up the language, pretty much the exact thing we discussed originally in our subcommittee On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: A family is defined as those living in the same household. With the 1st Adult family member paying the standard single member rate, currently at $35/mo. With additional Adult family members paying a rate of $15/mo. Any children under the age of 18 paying a rate of $5/mo. The rewritten proposal as promised, any and all feedback is welcomed. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors
Any minor that is a member before the date that this proposal is approved shall be exempt from the following rule. No minors will be permitted to have a key, or apply for one. The proposal re-written, any and all feed back is welcome. I would like to make it known that I am not in support of this proposal just rewriting them into better wording as they were originally intended. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Minors at SYNHAK policy ammendment
Yea this one is pretty much a no-brainer From: rob...@robertrybicki.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 21:32:25 -0400 To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Minors at SYNHAK policy ammendment Love it! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Minors under the age of 18 are not permitted to visit SYNHAK without the supervision of a Parent, Legal Guardian, or Family member over the age of 18. The rewritten proposal as promised, any and all feedback is welcomed. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors
If you read the e-mail Torrie you would know that I am not in support of this proposal, but was in fact one that you made in the first place. I was just asked to rewrite them and separate them into 3 different proposals so that they could all be addressed individually as they have nothing to do with each other. Please continue to act unexcellent towards other members of SYNHAK, it really solves the problem and helps your situation. :) -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:12:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:09:17 Robert Rybicki wrote: With the very well worded proposal of minors and coming to the space, I do not see how this proposal is necessary or even a good idea. I would like to think that my family has made a good example as to why. The issue has always been apparent to me of liability. This proposal does not solve this issue. It only bars minors from keys. Why do this? Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: https://hackerbots.net/~tdfischer/BlockingProcedureProposal.pdf (Copied to my server in case its deleted from ubuntuone) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Any minor that is a member before the date that this proposal is approved shall be exempt from the following rule. No minors will be permitted to have a key, or apply for one. The proposal re-written, any and all feed back is welcome. I would like to make it known that I am not in support of this proposal just rewriting them into better wording as they were originally intended. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors
You are correct in remembering that there was no agreed upon rewording, but I volunteered to do so as it needed done. Everyone was invited to sit down with me after to meeting to help rewrite the proposal in a manner that was kept with the original intention of the proposal. It was reposted as I was not the one that originally posted it and it has not been withdrawn by the person who did so. The only people who sat down and discussed these issues with me in rewriting the proposals was Mike, and Philip. As for keeping the discussion contructive I would love to and have been trying to, but as I am personally attacked I can't be expected to just sit here idly and accept it. -Steve Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:28:43 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors As I remember it, the discussion last night was generally against this wording why repost it. I don't recall if alternate wording was agreed on. Tangentially related to Torrie's comment: do we have something already on the books that addresses this? I'll get the exact wording of the liability waiver to double check. Please keep discussion constructive towards the proposal. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 30, 2014 4:14 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: If you read the e-mail Torrie you would know that I am not in support of this proposal, but was in fact one that you made in the first place. I was just asked to rewrite them and separate them into 3 different proposals so that they could all be addressed individually as they have nothing to do with each other. Please continue to act unexcellent towards other members of SYNHAK, it really solves the problem and helps your situation. :) -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:12:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Key Policy in Relation to Minors On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 15:09:17 Robert Rybicki wrote: With the very well worded proposal of minors and coming to the space, I do not see how this proposal is necessary or even a good idea. I would like to think that my family has made a good example as to why. The issue has always been apparent to me of liability. This proposal does not solve this issue. It only bars minors from keys. Why do this? Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: https://hackerbots.net/~tdfischer/BlockingProcedureProposal.pdf (Copied to my server in case its deleted from ubuntuone) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Any minor that is a member before the date that this proposal is approved shall be exempt from the following rule. No minors will be permitted to have a key, or apply for one. The proposal re-written, any and all feed back is welcome. I would like to make it known that I am not in support of this proposal just rewriting them into better wording as they were originally intended. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus
A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. I find the above comment repulsive. I know of no one that is defining you by your genitals except for you constantly bringing it up. -Steve From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:09:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Hiatus Hiatus On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 16:40:36 Omar Rassi wrote: That email was meant to be sent to members@ as was requested. By those who were present. I asked the room if there was issues with it. No one said anything, it was even suggested to me by another member (not Chris or Torrie) that I add the preface I wrote at the beginning of it. This confused me because we are always talking about how we don't want the dirty laundry out in the open but when steps are taken to handle particular issues without escalation to the public, the champions get intentionally ignored and its viewed as as a backdoor gang up on someone else that suddenly needs transparency. It isn't mine or the champions or Torrie's fault if people don't listen to each other. I've been trying rather unsuccessfully to help people see issues differently and to encourage discussion between individuals. The biggest issue i'm seeing is that people just aren't listening each other, just simply waiting for their turn to speak. These issues won't go away no matter who comes, goes, or gets removed so long as we aren't willing to hear each other and process what is said. This is evidenced by people criticizing lengthy emails, criticizing people who take more time to complete their thoughts in a sentence, ignoring solutions that don't involve punishing people or pointing fingers and outright dismissal of ideas because they don't like the individual presenting it or the premise without presenting a solution of their own going forward. I honestly wanted to make another push along with Andrew L, its still a draft email I'm polishing. But I challenge each of you to look at yourselves in the mirror today and ask yourselves, what makes me happy? And what could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? Don't think about what other people can do differently, remember that you can only control what you do as an individual, so start there. What makes me happy? A safe space that I feel comfortable visiting. A place where I don't feel like I'm going to get my head bitten off for asking where to put the vacuum former. A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. A group of people who can judge people based on the value of their contributions and not the quantity of them or their personal perception of the balance of power. A mailing list where I can write complete thoughts and not be told that I'm trying to cause drama or that my mails are too long to consider reading, or maybe actually get the issue at hand addressed. What could I have done differently for a more excellent outcome? Encouraged campaigning among the officer and board candidates to figure out what they /really/ want. Ignored any semblance of transparency, since I got the same result in the end. Never sponsored Justin. Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. On Apr 30, 2014 3:51 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I feel that I have to reply to this as I was specifically named. One I have to say that if you were truly on hiatus then you would have delegated your duties to someone else as you would have no dealings with SYNHAK during the hiatus. I find it quite childish that you would act this way when no one has officially proposed that you be removed from SYNHAK but just from your office as treasurer. Seeing as it is quite obvious that you have not been performing your duties and specifically targeting those you have a rocky relationship with from receiving reimbursement for expenses they've taken on in order to improve SYNHAK because it takes too long to obtain the funds upfront through the treasurer. That in and of itself is grounds from being removed from the position. There are people who would like to apply for membership but feel that you, Torrie, would personally target and block their application based on personal reasons that have no affect on whether they should be a member or not. Also going out and calling Andy B. a mental midget is quite unexcellent and something SYNHAK should not tolerate. I also find it unexcellent that that email was made public as it was sent under the assumption that it was to remain private. Next comes your specifically naming me, which I find quite ridiculous. Not only were you unaware of my personal beliefs for 7/8 months, we have had meals together, hung out outside of SYNHAK, and have helped me and Matt out at OSC for which we are very thankful for. I find it quite sad that you
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community
Proposal: Removal Torrie from the SYNHAK Community I am proposing the following: The removal of Torrie Fischer from the SYNHAK community for the following reasons. * Negatively talking about SYNHAK affecting the public opinion of the community on the mailing lists, examples being: * Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 * Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and Andy's persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in the San Francisco because SYNHAK is dead to me. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to remove Justin from the board. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the hacker communities. - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 * RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. - Wed, April 30 2014 14:29 * Publicly attacking Steve Radonich IV and Andy B. on the mailing list by unjustly calling them names, examples being: * Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the board :) - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Andy * Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all decided to go along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop someone from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel completely unsafe! - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Steve * A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 - Directed towards Steve * Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: - Wed, April 30 2014 16:12 - Directed towards Steve * Using her position of Treasurer to target those she has a disagreement with: * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and Andy have been told no on reimbursements and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because it is discriminatory. - Tue, April 29 2014 - Meeting Minutes It is with these issues, and others that I may not even be aware of, that I feel Torrie Fischer is no longer someone SYNHAK can afford to have around. Causing division and strife within the community, then refusing to take responsibility for it. She has shown that she can't be trusted in a position of power within SYNHAK as she uses it as a weapon on her personal enemies. Personally attacking members, calling them transphobes when there is no evidence of such, talking negatively about SYNHAK, and saying that SYNHAK is dead are all reasons for removal. Plus if she thinks it's dead then there is no reason for her to be here any ways as it will just cause trouble. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community
I'm sorry but we do not have time to set up a CWG with all of the procedures and such they are supposed to follow while this type of treatment is going on. These are all publicly available on the email list and the quotes are in no way altered. I really am failing to see your logic in defending Torrie's actions today on the discuss list when she has been nothing but vile towards others. -Steve Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:45:41 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Removal of Torrie from the SYNHAK Community I'm not sure we have enough facts to back up the claims made in some of these quotes. Until such time that we get the community working group involved and have all the facts rather than partial quotes and hurt feelings I cannot support this proposal. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 30, 2014 7:26 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Proposal: Removal Torrie from the SYNHAK Community I am proposing the following: The removal of Torrie Fischer from the SYNHAK community for the following reasons. * Negatively talking about SYNHAK affecting the public opinion of the community on the mailing lists, examples being: * Never started SYNHAK, the Akron Hackerspace. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 * Then I hear that I'm being removed as Treasurer due to Devin and Andy's persecution complex, so I started looking for housing in the San Francisco because SYNHAK is dead to me. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * It died months ago when I was convinced to rescind my proposal to remove Justin from the board. - Wed, April 30 2014 15:59 * Congrats! I'm so proud of everyone. We are now (in)famous within the hacker communities. - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 * RIP SYNHAK. Killed by bystander apathy. - Wed, April 30 2014 14:29 * Publicly attacking Steve Radonich IV and Andy B. on the mailing list by unjustly calling them names, examples being: * Remember, folks: you voted this mental midget of a person onto the board :) - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Andy * Remember, folks: I'm someone who should be put up with! You all decided to go along with his plan to introduce more rules and bureaucracy to stop someone from forcing the community to address a situation where they feel completely unsafe! - Wed, April 30 2014 12:49 - Directed towards Steve * A community that doesn't treat me like some strange sexual fascination as if my genitals define who I am. - Wed, April 30 2014 17:09 - Directed towards Steve * Steve loves rules and has an authoritarian stance on everything. Thats the only reasonable answer that can explain this majestic piece of legalese: - Wed, April 30 2014 16:12 - Directed towards Steve * Using her position of Treasurer to target those she has a disagreement with: * Devin - It will be reimbursed just not now, but me and Andy have been told no on reimbursements and just only us. Given reciepts to others to get the money. Someone took something the wrong way, and they are attacking back using the position as treasurer. But this needs to stop right now, because it is discriminatory. - Tue, April 29 2014 - Meeting Minutes It is with these issues, and others that I may not even be aware of, that I feel Torrie Fischer is no longer someone SYNHAK can afford to have around. Causing division and strife within the community, then refusing to take responsibility for it. She has shown that she can't be trusted in a position of power within SYNHAK as she uses it as a weapon on her personal enemies. Personally attacking members, calling them transphobes when there is no evidence of such, talking negatively about SYNHAK, and saying that SYNHAK is dead are all reasons for removal. Plus if she thinks it's dead then there is no reason for her to be here any ways as it will just cause trouble. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Family Dues Structure
A family is defined as those living in the same household. With the 1st Adult family member paying the standard single member rate, currently at $35/mo. With additional Adult family members paying a rate of $15/mo. Any children under the age of 18 paying a rate of $5/mo. The rewritten proposal as promised, any and all feedback is welcomed. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Minors at SYNHAK policy ammendment
Minors under the age of 18 are not permitted to visit SYNHAK without the supervision of a Parent, Legal Guardian, or Family member over the age of 18. The rewritten proposal as promised, any and all feedback is welcomed. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] tonights meeting
Just got down here for the meeting that is supposed to be happening right about now and no one is here. Doors are locked, anyone coming? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting
We set a meeting for Monday at 7pm for the consensus discussion. Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:21:53 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting What meeting? Board meeting is the 16th and regular meeting is tomorrow. Sorry no one is there! Regards, Andrew L On Apr 14, 2014 7:00 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just got down here for the meeting that is supposed to be happening right about now and no one is here. Doors are locked, anyone coming? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting
I would rather have this discussion face to face. There has been too much misunderstanding and miscommunication over the virtual space. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting On Monday, April 14, 2014 19:22:47 Steve Radonich IV wrote: We set a meeting for Monday at 7pm for the consensus discussion. Oh crap, I'm super sorry! It was the end of the day, I was on autopilot, and I was dumb and didn't put it into my calendar to remind me even though I was totally at the space until 6:25. Think we could hash it out in slack? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:21:53 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting What meeting? Board meeting is the 16th and regular meeting is tomorrow. Sorry no one is there! Regards, Andrew L On Apr 14, 2014 7:00 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just got down here for the meeting that is supposed to be happening right about now and no one is here. Doors are locked, anyone coming? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting
I would be up for meeting you at the space tonight if you're up to it. --- Original Message --- From: Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com Sent: April 14, 2014 8:47 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting I would rather have this discussion face to face. There has been too much misunderstanding and miscommunication over the virtual space. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting On Monday, April 14, 2014 19:22:47 Steve Radonich IV wrote: We set a meeting for Monday at 7pm for the consensus discussion. Oh crap, I'm super sorry! It was the end of the day, I was on autopilot, and I was dumb and didn't put it into my calendar to remind me even though I was totally at the space until 6:25. Think we could hash it out in slack? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:21:53 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting What meeting? Board meeting is the 16th and regular meeting is tomorrow. Sorry no one is there! Regards, Andrew L On Apr 14, 2014 7:00 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just got down here for the meeting that is supposed to be happening right about now and no one is here. Doors are locked, anyone coming? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting
I guess you're not as interested in this topic as I thought. Discussion tomorrow at the meeting then. --- Original Message --- From: Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com Sent: April 14, 2014 8:52 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting I would be up for meeting you at the space tonight if you're up to it. --- Original Message --- From: Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com Sent: April 14, 2014 8:47 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting I would rather have this discussion face to face. There has been too much misunderstanding and miscommunication over the virtual space. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting On Monday, April 14, 2014 19:22:47 Steve Radonich IV wrote: We set a meeting for Monday at 7pm for the consensus discussion. Oh crap, I'm super sorry! It was the end of the day, I was on autopilot, and I was dumb and didn't put it into my calendar to remind me even though I was totally at the space until 6:25. Think we could hash it out in slack? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:21:53 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] tonights meeting What meeting? Board meeting is the 16th and regular meeting is tomorrow. Sorry no one is there! Regards, Andrew L On Apr 14, 2014 7:00 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Just got down here for the meeting that is supposed to be happening right about now and no one is here. Doors are locked, anyone coming? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
Monday night at 7 then? From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:10:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting On Friday, April 11, 2014 07:40:26 Michael Griesacker wrote: I'd have a better chance of making it if it were monday night With Notacon, it kinda sounds like that might be better. I'd be available for that too. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on my blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 PM). Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on my blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 PM). Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] One Last Time
I am aware that there is already separate thread about this, but seeing as it has been up for so long without a single word of input from anyone I had to bring it up again. I pretty much addressed Torrie's concerns but I will do it again, even though most of them are not really valid. Which concerns did you address? And which ones are invalid and why? I addressed all of them right here. I exaggerated a bit saying most are invalid, as only 1 was completely, for that I apologize. Bylaws don't say anything about proposals. Sure they say we've got the right to vote on membership applications, but I'm no longer comfortable with that route. The questions asked interview process have the possibility of having no real impact. First, it doesn't really matter if you are no longer comfortable with voting on a membership application since the proper way of gaining or getting rejected for membership is by a vote as outlined in section 5.2 of the bylaws, and Section 5.1 Membership Qualifications states having been proposed by a current member in good standing, and having been approved by a vote of the membership. If you really don't want to vote than you need to have an amendment to the bylaws, since as far as I'm concerned voting is the only way we can confirm a member of SYNHAK, even if you don't like it. Right. Thats what the rules say. We can change the rules. Thats the point of our governance process. The mechanism in this case is to get a bylaw amendment. If we feel that this is warranted, it'll go there. Are we not currently discussing making more rules and bureaucracy because the current rules are perceived as not compatible with our desired end state? I am unaware of any discussion to change the rules, I was under the impression that you didn't like the way we have been doing it since I first came to SYNHAK and just unilaterally changed them. Before you say that we had always used consensus I would argue that as would many people that I talk to. We had been voting on things for quite a while before you through that little fit about consensus a few weeks ago. I don't feel we need to change from voting, it works and do not see it conflicting with our goals. Second, the questions in the interview process have a huge impact on whether someone would be voted in or out of SYNHAK membership, I don't see how having a vote really changes that at all, kind of confused on this point. I imagine asking someone questions and finding out that they're a raging transphobe, but the majority of the people present at the meeting who fail to understand the gravity of my concerns think haha, they're funny. Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't think it really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or not as long as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or beliefs keep them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with someone who might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think that is funny and find it offensive that you would even think that. How would they know? Probably because I'm transgender and can easily pick out transphobic behaviors. Lets not talk about that though. For this I really have no comment. not let their personal feelings or beliefs You really don't think this matters? People can forget all about their prejudices and irrational hate and not let it out in some way? You think that I wouldn't feel incredibly uncomfortable at the space if I knew that there was someone there who thinks of me as less than human? I do think people can put what they personally feel about someone's sexual identity, sexual orientation, religion, etc., etc., away and get along with people that they may have disagreements with on their lifestyles or feelings. Just because someone disagrees with something, be it based on religion or something else, does not mean that they think of anyone as less than human. Sure, there are many that do, but I have to tell you that they are a small slice of a larger group. Take me for example, I believe that if you are born a certain sex than you will always be that sex, no matter what you do change your appearance on the outside. Yet not once could you claim that I've ever been disrespectful towards you, or purposefully used the wrong gender pronoun in conversation with you. I've always had good conversations with you, and hope to do so in the future. Just because I believe something doesn't mean that I hate you just because you believe the opposite. at the very least putting up with someone who might be transexual. Ah, thanks for that. I can see how I am something to be put up with. In no way could being every day in the presence of someone who feels this ever get to me and cut deep emotional gouges and cause me to think that SYNHAK is no longer a safe place. Please understand that you have said some things
Re: [SH-Discuss] One Last Time
Yes I would love to keep it that way but since it was brought up there was no way around of not addressing it. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 12:59:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] One Last Time Since I guess we need a second and a third for any kind of discussion during the meeting, I'm seconding this proposal. I do not support the proposal, but I'd rather see it make it to the meeting for discussion. On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 20:12:07 Steve Radonich IV wrote: I've brought this up on the discuss list a couple times and even brought it up at last weeks meeting to make the proposal idea known and it was left out of the meeting minutes somehow. I just walked in late for the meeting and it was at the very end and over before I could even figure out where we were or what was going on so I'm bringing it up again. It seemed like there was a lot of interest in this topic last week and the last 2 months over how we went about blocking a proposal or membership application, so I set out to come up with an idea that would make both parties happy of those who wanted to vote vs reaching a consensus. Everyone that I have talked to in person about my idea has received it quite well, with just a few questions on why I've chosen certain procedures. This is an issue that I feel we really need to get worked out before blocking becomes a serious issue and causes more division in the group. Please if you have any questions, suggestions, concerns or anything about this ask them, this is a discussion list after all but discussion has been non-existent on this and I can not understand why. Here is a link to the PDF: http://ubuntuone.com/2FaD11sRVOEzUOObTDvq0P And here is the format ruined copy/paste of the proposal: 1.) Membership applications or Proposals may be accepted by the Membership of SYNHAK as long as no Member, in good standing, blocks any such action. If a SYNHAK Member, in good standing, wishes to block a Membership application or Proposal the reason to block must fall under one of the following categories: A.) Make a specific reference to any violation of SYNHAK Code, Policy or By-Laws that the Proposal or potential Member might be in conflict with B.) Make a specific reference to any violations of 26 US Code Section 501(c)(3) or Section 509(a)(2) C.) Make a specific reference to any violations of Federal, State, or Local law or regulations that are applicable D.) If it is a Proposal, make an alternate Proposal, or modification to the Proposal in question, that aims to correct any issues with the current one E.) If it is a Membership application, explain verifiable evidence as to why that person does not deserve to be a Member based on any personal or professional experience you have with the person in question Failure to meet any of the criteria above would result in the Proposal or Membership application process to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. 2.) Should the preceding criteria be met the issues should be discussed among the attending membership at the meeting until no further constructive comments/opinions are made, and the discussion continued on the member mail list in the week leading up to the next meeting. 3.) During the following meeting (the “2 nd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meeting were not properly addressed. The Membership application or Proposal will be blocked for another week with further discussion at the meeting with the Members in attendance, and on the members mail list. 4.) During the following meeting (the “3 rd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meetings were not properly addressed the following will take place: I.) A final discussion period will take place where all further issues will bediscussed until either: a.) A consensus is met in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. or b.) 15% or more of the attending Membership move to have a show of hands of those in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. The following can happen based on the show of hands: i.) If 86% or more of the Membership in attendance is in favor of the Membership
[SH-Discuss] Proxy
Becca is my proxy until I can make it to the meeting. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] One Last Time
I've brought this up on the discuss list a couple times and even brought it up at last weeks meeting to make the proposal idea known and it was left out of the meeting minutes somehow. I just walked in late for the meeting and it was at the very end and over before I could even figure out where we were or what was going on so I'm bringing it up again. It seemed like there was a lot of interest in this topic last week and the last 2 months over how we went about blocking a proposal or membership application, so I set out to come up with an idea that would make both parties happy of those who wanted to vote vs reaching a consensus. Everyone that I have talked to in person about my idea has received it quite well, with just a few questions on why I've chosen certain procedures. This is an issue that I feel we really need to get worked out before blocking becomes a serious issue and causes more division in the group. Please if you have any questions, suggestions, concerns or anything about this ask them, this is a discussion list after all but discussion has been non-existent on this and I can not understand why. Here is a link to the PDF: http://ubuntuone.com/2FaD11sRVOEzUOObTDvq0P And here is the format ruined copy/paste of the proposal: 1.) Membership applications or Proposals may be accepted by the Membership of SYNHAK as long as no Member, in good standing, blocks any such action. If a SYNHAK Member, in good standing, wishes to block a Membership application or Proposal the reason to block must fall under one of the following categories: A.) Make a specific reference to any violation of SYNHAK Code, Policy or By-Laws that the Proposal or potential Member might be in conflict with B.) Make a specific reference to any violations of 26 US Code Section 501(c)(3) or Section 509(a)(2) C.) Make a specific reference to any violations of Federal, State, or Local law or regulations that are applicable D.) If it is a Proposal, make an alternate Proposal, or modification to the Proposal in question, that aims to correct any issues with the current one E.) If it is a Membership application, explain verifiable evidence as to why that person does not deserve to be a Member based on any personal or professional experience you have with the person in question Failure to meet any of the criteria above would result in the Proposal or Membership application process to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. 2.) Should the preceding criteria be met the issues should be discussed among the attending membership at the meeting until no further constructive comments/opinions are made, and the discussion continued on the member mail list in the week leading up to the next meeting. 3.) During the following meeting (the “2 nd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meeting were not properly addressed. The Membership application or Proposal will be blocked for another week with further discussion at the meeting with the Members in attendance, and on the members mail list. 4.) During the following meeting (the “3 rd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meetings were not properly addressed the following will take place: I.) A final discussion period will take place where all further issues will bediscussed until either: a.) A consensus is met in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. or b.) 15% or more of the attending Membership move to have a show of hands of those in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. The following can happen based on the show of hands: i.) If 86% or more of the Membership in attendance is in favor of the Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. ii.) If 15% or more of the Membership in attendance is against the Membership application or Proposal then it is blocked for one more week. II.) The decision of the Membership in attendance is carried out with no further argument or discussion on the topic at hand. 5.) If the Membership application or Proposal is blocked again with a 15% or more vote of the Membership in attendance then the issue will be discussed in the meeting, and on the member mail list, for a maximum of
Re: [SH-Discuss] One Last Time
I am aware that there is already separate thread about this, but seeing as it has been up for so long without a single word of input from anyone I had to bring it up again. I pretty much addressed Torrie's concerns but I will do it again, even though most of them are not really valid. Bylaws don't say anything about proposals. Sure they say we've got the right to vote on membership applications, but I'm no longer comfortable with that route. The questions asked interview process have the possibility of having no real impact. First, it doesn't really matter if you are no longer comfortable with voting on a membership application since the proper way of gaining or getting rejected for membership is by a vote as outlined in section 5.2 of the bylaws, and Section 5.1 Membership Qualifications states having been proposed by a current member in good standing, and having been approved by a vote of the membership. If you really don't want to vote than you need to have an amendment to the bylaws, since as far as I'm concerned voting is the only way we can confirm a member of SYNHAK, even if you don't like it. Second, the questions in the interview process have a huge impact on whether someone would be voted in or out of SYNHAK membership, I don't see how having a vote really changes that at all, kind of confused on this point. I imagine asking someone questions and finding out that they're a raging transphobe, but the majority of the people present at the meeting who fail to understand the gravity of my concerns think haha, they're funny. Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't think it really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or not as long as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or beliefs keep them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with someone who might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think that is funny and find it offensive that you would even think that. I certainly would not be comfortable with their membership without being able to block and then further getting to know them. I'm still not convinced that voting is an effective method of getting the support of everyone. You would have the opportunity to make your reservations known to the community as a whole, and even block that membership by yourself for 2 whole weeks, of which if you couldn't convince a small 15% of those at the meeting to your side then you didn't make your point good enough. One person should not have the power to indefinitely hold up a proposal or membership application just because they don't like it. Might I ask what is so effective about using a system that requires us to go back and forth over the same issues and talking points to reach 100% consensus and never get anything done, than just having a super majority vote of the membership in attendance and getting the issues resolved? I'm not saying everything has to be made fast, but if consensus can not be made in 6 weeks I highly doubt it will ever be made and there is no reason to drag the membership through that for so long. Again, if 50% support a decision for something such as replacing the ceiling in the palm room (you know, the crappy half), 49% vote against it, and the only people able or willing to invest any effort into replacing the ceiling and seeing the job through vote against it, how does the ceiling get replaced? I have to ask but did you even read my proposal? You would clearly see that there is no way a 51% - 49% vote could get anything passed in it, this point is completely invalid and doesn't deserve any more response. Again, sorry for a second reply; I should start using drafts... I think that I understand the concerns of choosing Voting over Consensus, and that it boils down to a perception that we need to make decisions quickly. I feel that it is in SYNHAK's best interest to make high quality decisions that practically everyone can support instead of fast decisions that only some people can support. There is absolutely nothing keeping a member from leaving if they feel that the space is in a rush to ignore their concerns. A suggestion or list of suggestions of when these quick decisions are needed would help me understand better. ---Torrie You do not understand the concern of the choice between voting over consensus then. It's main purpose is not for us to be able to make a decision quickly but revolves around the idea that we do not live in a perfect world. There are going to be many times where we won't be able to reach a consensus and talking about the same things week after week, month after month, is just not going to change that. We need a system in place that will allow us to keep moving forward even when 100% of the membership does no agree on a particular issue, and this proposal goes so far as to automatically failing a proposal or membership application if it can't get 76% of
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proxy
Not sure what you mean justin Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 00:27:24 -0400 From: just...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proxy Doesn't hurt right? On Tuesday, April 1, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: quite but she was going to be there before I was. So felt it was necessary From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 23:58:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proxy On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 19:29:30 Steve Radonich IV wrote: Becca is my proxy until I can make it to the meeting. You sent this 30 minutes into a 45 minute meeting, FYI. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Blocking of a Proposal/Membership Application
So no discussion on my proposal at all? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Blocking of a Proposal/Membership Application
This is an idea I came up with and posted originally in Torrie's thread, but I feel that it will get more attention and feed back if in it's own topic. I am looking for any feedback from the membership, or those who are interested, on how I can improve it or re-word it to get rid of any vague areas. I will copy/paste it as well as link to the PDF. You can find the better formatted and easier to read PDF version here: http://ubuntuone.com/2FaD11sRVOEzUOObTDvq0P 1.) Membership applications or Proposals may be accepted by the Membership of SYNHAK aslong as no Member, in good standing, blocks any such action. If a SYNHAK Member, in good standing, wishes to block a Membership application or Proposal the reason to block must fall under one of the following categories: A.) Make a specific reference to any violation of SYNHAK Code, Policy or By-Laws that the Proposal or potential Member might be in conflict with B.) Make a specific reference to any violations of 26 US Code Section 501(c)(3) or Section 509(a)(2) C.) Make a specific reference to any violations of Federal, State, or Local law or regulations that are applicable D.) If it is a Proposal, make an alternate Proposal, or modification to the Proposal in question, that aims to correct any issues with the current one E.) If it is a Membership application, explain verifiable evidence as to why that person does not deserve to be a Member based on any personal or professionalexperience you have with the person in question Failure to meet any of the criteria above would result in the Proposal or Membership applicationprocess to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. 2.) Should the preceding criteria be met the issues should be discussed among the attending membership at the meeting until no further constructive comments/opinions are made, and the discussion continued on the member mail list in the week leading up to the next meeting. 3.) During the following meeting (the “2nd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meeting were not properlyaddressed. The Membership application or Proposal will be blocked for another week with further discussion at the meeting with the Members in attendance, and on the members mail list. 4.) During the following meeting (the “3rd meeting”) the issue will be brought up again: A.) If all issues or complaints have been properly dealt with, and the Member or Members, in good standing, withdraw their block on a Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws. B.) If however, the Member or Members, in good standing, do not withdraw their block due to their belief their reasons stated in the previous meetings were not properlyaddressed the following will take place: I.) A final discussion period will take place where all further issues will be discussed until either: 1.) A consensus is met in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. or 2.) 15% or more of the attending Membership move to have a show of hands of those in favor of, or against, the Membership application or Proposal. The following can happen based on the show of hands: a.) If 86% or more of the Membership in attendance is in favor of the Membership application or Proposal then the process is to continue as stated in the SYNHAK By-Laws.
Re: [SH-Discuss] Robotics club meet question
I believe it was noon From: martinpinks...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:22:11 -0400 To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Robotics club meet question Hey, What time does the robotics club meeting start tomorrow ? Please reply to my email. martinpinks...@gmail.com Thanks. Take Care Have fun Always. Martin Pinkston RN ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Family and Sponsorship Plans
That makes a whole Lotta sense to me. --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: January 30, 2014 6:26 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Family and Sponsorship Plans Hi, all. I've been thinking of how we could accomplish the family rate for memberships, and at the same time how we could accomodate corporate sponsorships. First, we should change the discount. Currently, it is a 10% discount on the total when you buy at least three months at a time. I suggest that we change it to 15% off the total when you buy 2-6 months, and a 20% discount for 7-12. Second, the discount should only apply to certain blocks of membership. You couldn't directly buy 5 months, but you could buy a block of 3 and a block of 2. This is to encourage groups to contribute extra memberships to those who need/want monetary sponsorships while cutting down on the impact of the discount elsewhere. Suggested packages: * 2 months: $59.50 instead of $70, discount of $10.50 * 4 months: $119 instead of $140, discount of $21 * 6 months: $178.50 instead of $210, discount of $31.50 * 9 months: $252 instead of $315, discount of $63 * 12 months: $336 instead of $420, discount of $84 My idea is that entities (human or otherwise) can buy a block of months at a time and decide how they want to allocate the purchased months. For most people, they would only ever buy one month at a time and apply it to their own membership. Still $35. A family with two members could have one person buy a block of two months and apply each month to each person's membership. Their bill would be $59.50. Adding a kid would make it a pack of two plus a single for $94.50 instead of $105. A company that wishes to pay for a number of employees could buy some months and apply them to their employees. For example, they could have five employees and decide to sponsor 4+1 memberships per month for $154, or 6 for $178. 5 regular memberships is $175. This also somewhat plays into the hacker-in-residence idea. If someone wanted to sponsor another member, they would only need to pay another $24.50. Feedback and suggestions welcome. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] DIY 10 tablet with RasberryPi
I've already decided to make one --- Original Message --- From: Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com Sent: January 24, 2014 7:03 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] DIY 10 tablet with RasberryPi Pretty cool stuff if anyone is interested: http://www.zdnet.com/pipad-build-your-own-raspberry-pi-tablet-725403/?s_cid=e540ttag=e540 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] rental truck
Does anyone have experience hauling a loaded trailer? If not I am willing to volunteer my expertise in hauling a trailer. --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: January 20, 2014 6:26 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] rental truck BDM Yes, I take the #1 from Fairlawn to the Main Library and then cut through the library to High St, then through two or three parking lots to get to 48. Only takes about 20 minutes or so. Cranky geezers like me pay 50 cents each way. Younger ones pay $1.25 per ride. If you are disabled, you also pay 50 cents each way. Take the bus - don't drive in this crappy weather! Just imagine yourself in a $300,000 vehicle with soft seats and a driver. Only thing missing is free wifi or a good FM radio station. PPP On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Phillip this is slightly off-topic but do you take the #1 bus from Fairlawn? I live in Highland Square and work in Fairlawn, that's the bus I take. I'm wondering if it goes all the way down and where you get off? On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Torrie is astutely correct in observing that nothing beats FREE. If somebody can tell me when you need another warm body to help out for a few hours, I will be glad to come to 48 and spend some time doing whatever needs to be done. I am available on Thursday and Friday and Saturday for at least four hours each day. Only one bus is required for me to get to 48, unlike the two buses required for 21. Much cheaper, much more convenient. If special tools are needed, let me know and I will see if I can bring them. Philip On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2014 16:28:30 Chris Egeland wrote: Philip, We certainly appreciate the offer of the rental truck. I'm offering alternatives that wouldn't require direct out-of-pocket expenses simply because I don't feel that the expense of renting a truck is quite worth it for moving the remaining dozen or so large items. If Martin or someone else with a pickup truck is willing to allow us to use their vehicle for one last day, we should be able to get everything moved without a problem. Additionally, we have offers of trailers, vans and other cargo-carrying vehicles that we can utilize. The majority of the stuff that was at 21 has been moved over without a moving truck, I think we should be able to get the last few bits and pieces (albeit big bits and pieces), moved over without the truck. Yeah, its looking like using Rick Neemer's trailer with a loading ramp combined with Justin's trailer hitch would be the best option for getting those super heavy items over here in addition to whatever else is left. I mean, whats better than free? :) HOWEVER: If anyone disagrees with me, please feel free to speak up. As I understand, we only need the truck to move the remaining dozen or so items mentioned in my previous email (some of which is probably gone already). Anything else could be stuffed into small vehicles. Chris On 1/20/2014 3:48 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: TWIMC @ SH If the size of the truck or the cost of the rental are an issue or cause for concern, I will be happy to get a quote for a smaller and less expensive truck. With a big truck, it would only have to be loaded one time, driven from 21 to 48, unloaded one time, then on to eating pizza. I always have a box or two of hot pizza in every Penske truck I rent, just to make the work seem more worthwhile when I done. If I can be of help, let me know. PPP On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com mailto:just...@gmail.com wrote: I have a previous engagement for Sunday BUT I would be willing to load my Van to someone (that I know) for use of moving. Its a 4 Wheel Drive Astro Van with no seats and Towing Package. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com mailto:mm1...@gmail.com wrote: We? Phillip: Thank you for finding out all the details and offering a solution. I agree with others that a pickup is probably sufficient for all that's left with multiple trips. The 3d printer cart included, everything left needs two people to move unless disasembled. Justin: A flat trailer would 3x the capacity per trip if you can tow it, just a matter of when a few people willing to move stuff can be there at once during daylight. Sunday? As far as I know, the only items that are left that would require trucking would be: - Desks (2) - Mill (almost certainly needs a dedicated run and a good-sized
Re: [SH-Discuss] rental truck
I will update the directions either tonight or tomorrow. And OK Torrie just figured that'd I'd offer. --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: January 20, 2014 9:50 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] rental truck On Monday, January 20, 2014 18:26:44 Philip P. Patnode wrote: BDM Yes, I take the #1 from Fairlawn to the Main Library and then cut through the library to High St, then through two or three parking lots to get to 48. Only takes about 20 minutes or so. Cranky geezers like me pay 50 cents each way. Younger ones pay $1.25 per ride. If you are disabled, you also pay 50 cents each way. Take the bus - don't drive in this crappy weather! Just imagine yourself in a $300,000 vehicle with soft seats and a driver. Only thing missing is free wifi or a good FM radio station. PPP Earlier today Chris was going through the wiki and updating our address in places. Sometime tomorrow I plan on updating our metro access: https://synhak.org/wiki/Visit_Us#Via_Akron_Metro_.F0.9F.9A.8C Everything else on that page needs updated as well if someone wants to hack away at it. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Phillip this is slightly off-topic but do you take the #1 bus from Fairlawn? I live in Highland Square and work in Fairlawn, that's the bus I take. I'm wondering if it goes all the way down and where you get off? On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Torrie is astutely correct in observing that nothing beats FREE. If somebody can tell me when you need another warm body to help out for a few hours, I will be glad to come to 48 and spend some time doing whatever needs to be done. I am available on Thursday and Friday and Saturday for at least four hours each day. Only one bus is required for me to get to 48, unlike the two buses required for 21. Much cheaper, much more convenient. If special tools are needed, let me know and I will see if I can bring them. Philip On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, January 20, 2014 16:28:30 Chris Egeland wrote: Philip, We certainly appreciate the offer of the rental truck. I'm offering alternatives that wouldn't require direct out-of-pocket expenses simply because I don't feel that the expense of renting a truck is quite worth it for moving the remaining dozen or so large items. If Martin or someone else with a pickup truck is willing to allow us to use their vehicle for one last day, we should be able to get everything moved without a problem. Additionally, we have offers of trailers, vans and other cargo-carrying vehicles that we can utilize. The majority of the stuff that was at 21 has been moved over without a moving truck, I think we should be able to get the last few bits and pieces (albeit big bits and pieces), moved over without the truck. Yeah, its looking like using Rick Neemer's trailer with a loading ramp combined with Justin's trailer hitch would be the best option for getting those super heavy items over here in addition to whatever else is left. I mean, whats better than free? :) HOWEVER: If anyone disagrees with me, please feel free to speak up. As I understand, we only need the truck to move the remaining dozen or so items mentioned in my previous email (some of which is probably gone already). Anything else could be stuffed into small vehicles. Chris On 1/20/2014 3:48 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: TWIMC @ SH If the size of the truck or the cost of the rental are an issue or cause for concern, I will be happy to get a quote for a smaller and less expensive truck. With a big truck, it would only have to be loaded one time, driven from 21 to 48, unloaded one time, then on to eating pizza. I always have a box or two of hot pizza in every Penske truck I rent, just to make the work seem more worthwhile when I done. If I can be of help, let me know. PPP On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com mailto:just...@gmail.com wrote: I have a previous engagement for Sunday BUT I would be willing to load my Van to someone (that I know) for use of moving. Its a 4 Wheel Drive Astro Van with no seats and Towing Package. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com mailto:mm1...@gmail.com wrote: We? Phillip: Thank you for finding out all the details and offering a solution. I agree with others that a pickup is probably sufficient for all that's left with multiple trips. The 3d printer cart included, everything left needs two people
Re: [SH-Discuss] beer kegs, with beer
I'll get it sending an email to you --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: January 15, 2014 9:50 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] beer kegs, with beer FYI *1/6 BBL (5.16 Gallons) Fills about 55 12oz cups* On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: How can you resist FIVE gallons of FREE Canadian beer? First warm body to commit to a pickup day and time gets the beer. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Sorry didn't look at the pictures. --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: January 15, 2014 9:45 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] beer kegs, with beer Just like the label on the kegs say - MOLSON. It's Canadian! On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:43 PM, J. F. Corner j...@5n4k3.com wrote: The free kind! On 1/15/2014 21:42, Steve Radicchio IV wrote: What kind of beer is it? --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: January 15, 2014 9:36 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] beer kegs, with beer Help! I am in possession of two, 5.16 gallon, stainless steel beer kegs and I don't know what to do with them. See three photos posted at this link = http://imgur.com/a/UF35Y They were recovered by me from the dumpster at a rental apartment complex after a tenant was evicted. He is now in prison, having been tried and found guilty on a domestic abuse charge. It is unlikely that he will be coming back for them, ever. My attempt to return them to the local distributor for the value of the original deposit ($60) was met with cold derision by the abrasive receptionist at the distributor. She told me that I could bring them to the warehouse and collect ten dollars. I told her I would not get out of bed for a mere ten dollars, let alone drag two kegs onto a bus and then roll them down the sidewalk to the warehouse. All things considered, I would like to sell them both for at least the deposit value, if not a little more. Similar kegs sell on eBay in the range of $40 to $115, depending on condition. Since one of the kegs is still full of beer and the other with just a little left in it (and I don't have a beer tap), they can't be sold on eBay and shipped to a buyer at a reasonable shipping cost. Five gallons of beer weighs about 42.5 pounds, which puts the shipping cost for the full keg at the unreasonable level. Perhaps, I can sell them to a local home-brew beer maker or a novice moonshiner who wants to make a small still. There may be other uses for a beer keg that I am unaware of too. Pickup can be arranged for most any day of the week. Anybody have any other ideas that will result in cash for me and the movement of the kegs out of my storage unit? If anybody at SH or a reader of this email list has a beer tap, I am very willing to give away the remaining beer at no cost. If you pick up the kegs, take them somewhere else, remove the beer (good excuse for a party!), and return the kegs to me to sell, you get the beer for free. Of course, you will have to leave one of your children or two tires off your car with me to insure you return the kegs. Hopefully, a reader will contact me and get the party going. Again, remember, the beer is FREE. PPP ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Computers for Synhak... a work in progress, needs your assistance!
I would love to see one running Ubuntu or Linux Mint. And if you need any help just get a hold of me, would love to do it. --- Original Message --- From: Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com Sent: January 13, 2014 9:47 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Computers for Synhak... a work in progress, needs your assistance! They do but for Windows XP and Vista and most of the OEM license stickers are unreadable. If someone wants windows installed, I'll find the one with a readable license first. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Many of these computers have OEM licenses for windows. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Alright so there has been some considerable time since all those computers came in and not much has happened with them, so I came up with an idea for them that would be very nice to have at the new space. I love doing computer stuff for Synhak, I really can't stop myself even if I try... I'd like to set up one laptop per area (i.e. one laptop for the craft room, one for the machine shop, one for the electonics lab, etc.) This way you won't need to stop and walk away to go to the computers if you need to look up something, they don't need a large area for set up and aren't tethered to one corner. I still plan to set up at least two desktops in a common area for public use with our current Windows licenses installed so anyone that uses them will be comfortable. I will install on these laptops Fedora 20 KDE unless a different OS is requested by at least 3 different members. The reason for this OS choice is the Synhak sysadmins are most familiar with Fedora and Windows. If a Windows OS is requested, we'll have to vote on a proposal to spend the cash on that ($12 Admin fee from techsoup.org per license, and before you ask, yes the company checks out and its legit). As far as the laptops go, they need 2.5 SATA hard drives. I have two I can give to synhak, AND, the big kicker here is power supplies for them. They are a little less than $30 new at Tigerdirect http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7847505CatId=608 Tomorrow I'll be getting together a list of how many hard drives and power adapters we'll actually need to accomplish this goal. If it can met by donations that would be great, if not as stated earlier, a proposal to spend the money would need to be voted on. I'm estimating it would take me about 3 to 6 months to complete this since that's how long it took me to get things set up the last time I did this with the desktops. Or if no one likes this idea or finds it redundant since we have a computer lab with desktops, then no movement will take place on this. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space
Cool. And yes that is exactly what I was thinking, will have to take a look and see what else I'll need if any. Is there a format I can save for everyone to view or do they have a viewer, for the revit format? Want it as easily accessible to everyone as possible. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: January 7, 2014 3:38 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space Everything that was measured is in there, (other than the toilet), Thanks to Devin and Tiki for help measuring. If your thinking 3d model of the space, that would be wonderful. Most of the recorded measurements are in the draft drawing (and at least 7 sheets of paper with conflicting numbers). On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Can't wait to take a look at this. Do you have more measurements written down? I have a legit copy of Autodesk Revit 2008 that I'd love to put to use. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: January 7, 2014 2:52 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space Resent due to not being able to attach the file, so here it is: http://calculais.com/syn/jan_syn.zip Attached (hopefully) is a zip of various formats of a rough scale drawing of the new space. I haven't had any time lately, so... sorry, but hey it beats pen on napkin right? It should make routing wires and pipes much easier too. :a few notes: The measurements aren't perfect, and corners were cut for things to line up without having to pay attention to wall thickness and various wall angles (the basement is slightly narrower at one end irl). It's a bit sloppy, but everything is within an inch or three. Files: Native format is .des (Designer after Corel ruined the series) The pdf files are formatted for a single page for easy printing/clipboard attaching/writing on/angrily pointing at while talking to others. It is drawn in 1 to 1' scale (not by choice) ,but there is a 1' cal box in the top right if it's an issue. New version: (not important) I'm sick of having to run my ol' trusty program in an XP VM, so i'm learning a 10-year newer version, and it kinda sucks i'm still learning where everything was moved to. Drawings are over simplified (no sinks, waterheater, layers, gradients, etc), but if I don't send this out right now I may actually do it right, and deliver sometime in June when nobody needs it anymore. With the 1 to 1' scale, in syncalled, some are actual inches, some are 12/1, again - must be emailed now. Also on syncalled, they are what the program saw after lining stuff up, not as measured, so when designing, just round down and add an inch or two for jello (there's always room) Also: Blue is a doorway, and the number inside of it is the max width that can go through it, including removing trim where possible. If you want another format, or a sandwich, let me know, 3 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] update on the piano available as a donation
Philip, I know we talked about this a couple weeks ago. I can make room in my storage unit when this snow let's up and come get it to hold for SH. I will get back to you asap. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: January 2, 2014 2:39 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] update on the piano available as a donation To be clear on the matter of the piano I can donate, it is available to any person or any organization on Planet Earth. The first entity to (1) confirm acceptance *and* (2) give me a specific day and time to pick it up will be the lucky recipient of the piano. I can't hold it for anybody on the assumption that it may be accepted or it might be picked up at some time in the near future. If somebody at SH, who is authorized to make a decision on the matter, emails me with a yes and a time and date for the pickup, I will be happy to hold it for SH. Same terms apply to anybody else who may want the piano. First come, first to make music with it! The only glitch that may arise is the status of the storage unit where it is resting comfortably on the concrete floor. The unit is subject to being emptied and closed by the original renter at any time. If he shows up on a Saturday morning and takes what he wants, the piano will have to be moved suddenly, with very little notice. Otherwise, I can hold it for a week or so for SH or a member or anybody else. I was hired by the out-of-state renter to dispose of most of the contents, by sale or donation or discard. The piano was one of the items designated as unwanted and available to donate. Email me if you have questions. Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Last night's meeting minutes
I'm not sure what happened cause I posted the minutes from the file and saved it but I'll have to change it later assuming the file was saved on the computer at the space. Don't know when I can get down there so if someone can fix it before me that would be awesome. -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-12-10
Some of them meet those specs. I want to pick one up for use but have been holding off until so!e consensus is formed about what to do with them --- Original Message --- From: Joshua Csepegi joshcsep...@gmail.com Sent: December 11, 2013 2:53 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-12-10 I'm looking to make a media server something i may be able to ftp into to store some videos of other Mechanical proJects I'm worKing on. like a how to server. I need a pc laptop or otherwise that is 2ghz dual core or core duo i have a 2.5 sata hdd . These laptops i have been hearing so much about do they meet these specs? Sorry if this it's the wrong place just responding to e mail On Dec 11, 2013 1:57 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Having one or two people have to vote on what to do with donations... I wouldn't call it a vote, its more of a sorting task than a decision task. For example, someone donates a broken welder. Devin pokes at it with a stick until he magically finds that the piece to fix the other broken welder we've had. Welder gets fixed, the donated piece is then placed back in the donations pile. Result is: Welder access is restored to everyone (who has gone through proper safety training) and the broken donated piece is still available to those who want to use it in a project. It arrived broken, was recycled to repair the infrastructure, its still broken and now available to anyone that can hack it. A bunch of 4 year old cisco switches arrives, Craig and Chris go through them, half are working. Synhak Inc. only needs one to complete the networking infrastructure for the PBX project, another is kept as a spare, the rest are placed back in the hack pile. One gets fixed and then is placed on craigslist for sale to fund replacements for the consumables used to make a new workbench in someone else's project. There's a big picture here that can be circular. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:43 AM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with this though we would need more maintainers. Having one or two people have to vote on what to do with donations is kind of limited. In all honesty when something gets dropped off we should take a picture of it and email it to memb...@synhak.org to discuss what to do with it. We should get a proposal together for the next meeting. On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:30 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I 2nd the idea Omar has presented. It seems fair and allows the space to meet its needs so it can complete its mission. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't be at the meeting due to a school event with my daughter, my thoughts on a donation process: A quick self-help form for donations should be filled out when dropping off materials. It should ask things like * Would you like a receipt for tax purposes? ** If yes, send email to treasurer/secretary/appropriate maintainer with contact info * Is there an intended purpose for this donation or is it a free for all? * Would you like more info about Synhak and what we do? * *Legal Disclaimer about what donating means, i.e. you lose property rights to the materials donated, it becomes property of Synhak Inc. or public domain. It may be reduced reused recycled blown up for laughs, etc.* *IF* the donation is being given specifically to Synhak Inc. then it should be off-limits to everyone (member and non-member alike) for a finite reasonable period of time, (48 hours? 1 Week?) until the appropriate maintainer (i.e. Devin for workshop related materials, Alex or Craig for computers, Chris or Craig for server/networking) can look at it and determine if its salvageable, can be integrated in the infrastructure available to everyone, or if there is just too much excess of that type be sold to help close gaps in the budget. Once the time period elapses or the maintainer has sorted through the donation, its released for everyone (member and non-member alike). If we just leave everything that makes its way to space in an open bin, it will quickly become a free for all mad dash to see who can get to it first. This doesn't require a change in powers (the maintainer is doing what they said they would do, maintain), its a fair process that doesn't single any one group out. It addresses the needs of both the infrastructure and the general public. Too many times I've seen people pull money out their own pockets to pay for heating fuel at the space, a trunk line for the PBX system, consumable materials, etc. There is enough stuff that makes its way to Synhak now that we can both get raw material for projects and give Synhak Inc. extra petty cash to use things that benefit everybody. It would be nice to if Synhak could sell the processor out of the water damaged IBM (provided it works) for $30, BAM! Thats a new roll of filament for the 3D
Re: [SH-Discuss] The elephant laptop in the room
I'm all for that --- Original Message --- From: Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com Sent: December 11, 2013 5:07 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] The elephant laptop in the room Lets get this consensus out of the way. People want to take or use these laptops that have come in. It wouldn't be fair if one person gets to take a laptop but not anyone else has to wait until the rest are sorted/assigned. I say let it rain laptops up in here, you want it, take it, first come first serve. Any nays? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-Giving Part Two
I can pick it up later today. --- Original Message --- From: Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com Sent: December 5, 2013 12:08 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-Giving Part Two Justin, How big is the pot? I probably won't be able to pick it up (I need to pick up Tiki from Lorain after work today), but if it would be big enough, I'm sure we could find someone to volunteer to pick it up. For reference, our turkey is either 10 or 12 lbs. I can't remember which. Chris On 12/5/2013 11:51 AM, Justin Herman wrote: I have a pot but I am not available to come for dinner tonight. If someone wants to stop by my house and pick it up it would be available. I would pick it up later tonight. I live near Highland Square. Let me know with a private email and Ill get you the address. Justin Herman On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:37 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com mailto:leit...@gmail.com wrote: hope fully this find someone in time to do anything about it. I had intended to fry the turkey got space giving. having never done it before i thought it best to read up on it. This revealed the need for a taller pot than the one i have. So i will be unable to fry the turkey and thus unable to cook it in 45 min. I do not have the turkey out i would their it in the oven now. So if whom ever has the turkey could get it cooking. that'd be amazing. Another option is if someone has a 18 30qt put we could borrow please respond immediately I will pay for my miscalculation in Christmas ale and cranberry sauce in dust we trust, Andrew L On Dec 4, 2013 2:40 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com mailto:beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: The McPherson's will be bringing Green Bean Casserole. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12:41 Chris Egeland wrote: Beth, Let me know when you want the turkey, and I can bring it to the space this week. It's currently frozen, so it probably needs to thaw for a few days. I'd just stick it in your fridge right now. The space might be too cold for it to thaw. Chris On 12/2/2013 11:42 AM, Bethany Munyan wrote: Hello everyone! So I just want to remind you all that the spacegiving is this Thursday, 12/5. I am going to go ahead and say be there around seven. So far this is the list of people I have that will be there and what they are bringing. Beth-Pumpkin Pie Craig-Candles, biscuits Tiki- Apple Crisp Becca- Cupcakes Steve- Potatoes Phil- Salad Devin- Dressings Utensils Omar- Cinnamon something Andrew Andy -I think you said you would be there? Garrett Chris- Turkey Zuzu Torrie Chris, when will I be able to get the turkey? And who will help cook the turkey? I know a bit of you want to fry it, and I am okay with that, only I don't know how to do that, or even where to begin. Would anyone who isn't signed up to bring anything be willing to bring some food? Possibly gravy, veggies, stuffing, sweet potatoes? I am not saying we need to have all of these things, but it seems we have a lot of people and I don't want to run out of food. :) Best wishes everyone! I can't wait to see you on Thursday! -Beth ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org mailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org mailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org mailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org mailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-Giving Part Two
Did we ever decide on a time for this? Need to find a baby sitter --- Original Message --- From: Edward Bowen ebo...@kent.edu Sent: December 4, 2013 7:26 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-Giving Part Two I could cook some rice! I know it's not a traditional Thanksgiving dish, but it's what I know how to do. I'd need someone to give me a ride to Space-Giving though, cause I'd prefer to cook it tomorrow (Thursday) and bring it fresh! Let me know if anyone wants to give me a ride there and back! On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.comwrote: The McPherson's will be bringing Green Bean Casserole. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12:41 Chris Egeland wrote: Beth, Let me know when you want the turkey, and I can bring it to the space this week. It's currently frozen, so it probably needs to thaw for a few days. I'd just stick it in your fridge right now. The space might be too cold for it to thaw. Chris On 12/2/2013 11:42 AM, Bethany Munyan wrote: Hello everyone! So I just want to remind you all that the spacegiving is this Thursday, 12/5. I am going to go ahead and say be there around seven. So far this is the list of people I have that will be there and what they are bringing. Beth-Pumpkin Pie Craig-Candles, biscuits Tiki- Apple Crisp Becca- Cupcakes Steve- Potatoes Phil- Salad Devin- Dressings Utensils Omar- Cinnamon something Andrew Andy -I think you said you would be there? Garrett Chris- Turkey Zuzu Torrie Chris, when will I be able to get the turkey? And who will help cook the turkey? I know a bit of you want to fry it, and I am okay with that, only I don't know how to do that, or even where to begin. Would anyone who isn't signed up to bring anything be willing to bring some food? Possibly gravy, veggies, stuffing, sweet potatoes? I am not saying we need to have all of these things, but it seems we have a lot of people and I don't want to run out of food. :) Best wishes everyone! I can't wait to see you on Thursday! -Beth ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] donations available this week from ppp
I'd be willing to take the chair for home use if you don't mind. I'll catch up with you today or at the dinner Thursday. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com Sent: December 3, 2013 12:08 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] donations available this week from ppp Philip: Responses inline. On 12/3/2013 12:02 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: Chris, Beth is getting the *wine case*, by request. Should I bring the *brown tall wastebasket* to the meeting tonight or to the dinner on Thursday? I can cram it in a big trash bag and drag it on the stagecoach with me, as I make my way from Fairlawn to Akron. Not sure if I am coming tonight, but I will be at the dinner on the 5th. Feel free to bring it when it is convenient to you. Hopefully, more members will take a look at the photos and make a decision on the other items. More stuff will be available next week. There is almost no end to the pile of stuff that I have available now and in the future. For the past forty+ years, I have been obsessively active in recycling, re-purposing, refurbishing, and reusing all kinds of good stuff. It is against my genetic code to throw away anything that might be useful to me or someone else. Understandable, we as a group seem to have that trait as well, as I'm sure you've seen at the space. Thanks for the tip to upload images to imgur.com http://imgur.com. It is not the image host I normally use, but I will use it for all future image hosting needs for anything regarding SH. Should I continue to reduce the image size from 16 MP to 1024x768 or just post the original, big ones? Uploading them at 16MP is fine, Imgur automatically resizes images on the backend for bandwidth optimization purposes. Just looked at the photos you uploaded. I think I will add some text to the next set of photos of stuff to donate so everybody knows what they are looking at and are better informed about the item. BTW, the offer to donate this week's pile of good stuff will expire on Thursday, but that does not mean that anything has to be picked up by the deadline. If an item is claimed, it will be held for pickup or delivery at a mutually convenient time. If anybody reading this has any questions about any of the items still available, please send me an email and I will try to answer them promptly. Philip Chris On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com mailto:ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Yes, it is made of wood. Not sure what kind, probably pine for the exterior and some kind of thin, multi-layer paneling for the compartments. In spite of your whining about It isn't fair..., you can have the wine case. Don't be upset, as my action was not an intentional diss to you or any other member. The four members who got the original email were /*picked at random*/ form a list of email address I have collected over the past few weeks. Also, I have met at least three of them in person, maybe four. Plus, they all agreed to buy me McDoubles whenever they see me at a McDonalds restaurant in the Akron area. Maybe you could send me the email address for EVERY current, living member? Maybe you could publish the list of email addresses in an email to discuss@synhak.org mailto:discuss@synhak.org or annou...@synhak.org mailto:annou...@synhak.org or on Facebook or on Twitter or post it on a telephone pole near the bus stop? I will bring the wine case/36-hole case to you either tonight or on Thursday. Have a day! PPP On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com mailto:ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Philip, Thanks for the offer. I would like to think that we can find a purpose for the trash can and perhaps the wine case, but I'm not 100% sure. If anyone else can think of anything from Philip's list, please let him know on-list. Also, for future reference, if you wish to send emails to the discuss list with photos, you can upload the pictures to a web-based image host like imgur.com http://imgur.com and paste the links into the email. This relieves everyone of having to download large emails (and only view the pictures if they wish) and keeps our server from having to send the same 3MB email out 100 times. As an example, I have uploaded the images you sent to me to imgur and made them available in the following album: http://imgur.com/a/UMb5R Chris On 12/2/2013 9:59 PM, Philip P. Patnode wrote: All at SH, Just sent an email to Torrie, Devin, Chris, and Omar of items available for donation to SH this week. They got photos, you didn't. Contact one of them if you think you
Re: [SH-Discuss] angie's list
This is who I go to been going for years --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: December 2, 2013 10:35 AM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] angie's list Maybe I'm crazy, but didn't someone at SYNHAK have a subscription to Angie's List? I'm looking for a good local dentist so I can go through the motions of being a grownup and taking care of her own teeth. I also have a cavity now. And dental insurance for the next one. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-11-26
That and who sponsored who. I believe Chris and Torrie sponsored me lol.
-Steve
--- Original Message ---
From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net
Sent: November 30, 2013 2:20 AM
To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2013-11-26
On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 08:26:08 Phong wrote:
Namaste, hakkers!
I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2013-11-26 and that the minutes are
posted. They are visible on the web at
https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-11-26. I've also included them in
this mail for reading at your leisure:
{{Infobox_meeting
|time=7PM
|date=2013-11-26
|venue=21 West North
|next=Meetings/2013-12-3
|previous=Meetings/2013-11-19
}}
= Agenda =
* '''Note Taker:''' G
* '''Moderator:''' Torrie
== Introduction and Names ==
* Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if
anyone new is present:
blockquoteSYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want
to make things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to
help others learn new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists
through and depends on membership dues, donations, and the hard work
of individuals such as ourselves. Our code of conduct is Be excellent
to each other./blockquote
* Round of introductions
** What is your name?
** What do you do?
** If this is your first time, how did you hear about SYNHAK?
* Torrie - Gets pierced
* Andrew - Tired of cleaning snow of his car
* Chris - Never gets tired of cleaning snow off his car
* Tim Seely - Coach robotics
* Mike - Likes to Ski
* Becca - Make santa cakes for christmas
* Bethany - Plays with fire
* Steve - Play old skool video games
* Lea - Knits scarf - first time - heared about synhak in newspaper
* David - Fiddle around with Software
* Andy - Works on electronics
* Andy - Tinkers with everything; mom told him about synhak!
* Justin - Plays with robots and automation
* Ben - Likes to learn; learned about us from Drew
* Alex - Does IT support
* David - Invited by Tim Seely; physician assistant - sees nuts and
bolts
* Devin - Machinist
* Philip - Sells stuff online; interests in technology; wants to
convert nook to something; read about synhak in his email
* G - Write a software for a living
* Omar - Thinks wishfully
== Announcements ==
* Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know?
* Any happenings that people should be aware of?
* Devin - Power wheels racing:
** Tig load of aluminum
** Meeting after the frame is constructed
* Andy - Mythbusters are coming in town
** wants to get a booth
** Andrew - protolab - approached the organizers and missed their
boat?
* Torrie - protolab wants to use spiff. good luck!
* Devin - Hartville hackerspace - We can potentially benefit them
** They are talking about it
** Wishes we were like Hartville .. at their price!
* G - Geauga county makerspace (homestead style). Have a meetup.com
account to plan the makerspace. Damon Ramsey.
* Devin - property available around Summit street - a little high in
price - vacant for 2 years.. agent is owner 3000sq ft ground floor
* G - Receives call from Kevin. 12/3 6pm we meet at floor 8 in his
office to see the space he has.
* Omar - CompTIA partner -
*benefits
** able to get student discounts on testing
** instructors get free testing - can become CompTIA+ testing
** have to be able to buy $500 vouchers in one year (not required,
only for instructor testing and promo materials)
** 6 weeks is plenty time to get familiarised
* Phil brought us:
** ultrasonic cleaner
** commercial soldering machine
* Someone below got us:
** video equipment - cameras, video mixer, tripod and video stuff
* G got us (from Steve Smith at Sherwin Williams):
** 4 feet level
** Black and Decker non-functional miter saw
* Torrie - Stereo system replaces the turntable
** has better audio quality
** smaller uses less electrons
* Torrie - OpenSCAD class last week
** People enjoyed it
** Next week (Wed) is Devins class on shop safety; can get safety
trained! G will video tape as well
** Social media class at Office Space Coworking
== Membership ==
* Read off any names open for application
* Anyone eligible should:
** Introduce yourself
** Answer any questions
** Leave the area
* Members present should reach consensus on whether or not they join
* Applicants may return
* Steve
** Works with computers and stuff
** working on a game; plays them, builds them
** Beth: Who makes you happy?
*** Fresh installs of linux; Losing a game of Super Metroid
*** Looking forward to python class - Torrie
*** Chris: What can you add to synhak?
** Beth: fav beer; Yuengling
** Beth: fav takeout place: South plaza House of Hunan - its near
Marcs
** Andy: Profession?: IT field - getting CDL license.
** Torrie: Prog languages?: Assembly, Qbasic,
** Alex: Fav game of all time?: Megaman2
** Torrie: what are you
Re: [SH-Discuss] synhak on facebook
Philip it is more than likely of someone not using the checkin feature correctly nothing to worry about --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: November 29, 2013 4:13 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] synhak on facebook Omar, It is NOT fine. I searched for synhak from my FB page and found the two non-genuine pages for SH and no mention or referral to the real SH group page. I suspect that anybody who does the same - a search from a FB page - will wind up at the wrong page, as I did. It does a little bit of harm because new people who search will be sent to the incorrect page and not the official group page for SH. The two pages need to be removed promptly. Philip On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I assure you it is fine. All the links on our website and reference material points to our facebook page. There is no need for us to hunt down another page that so far has only served to promote us at best, does us no harm at worst. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Bethany, Will send you screen prints of the two synhak pages I found when I searched for the Facebook page for the organization. Note that one has the address for SH as 21 W North St and the other shows it as 27 W North St They are being sent to your Gmail address, not discuss@synhak.org due to the message size restriction at SH. If the two pages shown in the screen prings are not authentic FB pages or were created due to check-ins/posts, I suggest that you or another member contact FB and have them deleted. There is enough confusion in the world as it is and three FB pages are not necessary, especially when two are not maintained or edited or monitored by SH. Philip On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.comwrote: This is the CURRENT facebook page, other than this one, I know of no others :) https://www.facebook.com/groups/260919133957886/ -Beth On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Chris Faircloth cnf2...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Look like locations created for check-ins/posts with that tagged as the location. Anyone can do that so sometimes you'll wind up with 2 or 3 extras with miscellaneous spellings from people trying to tag the location on their phones. -- *From:* Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:13 PM *Subject:* [SH-Discuss] synhak on facebook TWIMC Who is responsible for creating and maintaining the Facebook page(s) for SH? Why are there two almost identical pages? FYI - one of the pages has the SH address as 27 N West St. See attached image. I suggest that the page in error be deleted and the remaining page be updated with pertinent and current information. Lack of basic information about SH, including SH links, is almost as bad as no information at all. Also, a nice photo or the SH logo should be added to the page. If a new photos of the work spaces at SH or the exterior of the building is wanted, I will be happy to wander down to the facility during a day when SH is open and take some photos for the FB page. If you need/want me involved in the FB page, feel free to contact me by email. PPP ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving
It is Thursday the time is TBA --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: November 29, 2013 4:09 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Space-giving TWIMC Somebody make a FINAL decision on the day/date/time - please. I was planning on delivering a group salad next Thursday evening, December 5th. Now the dinner may be on Friday, December 6th? Send a wave to all and don't back down. Hope nobody shows up on the wrong evening because they did not follow the confusion to the final decision. I am only bringing one group salad and I am only coming to one dinner at SH next week. Either day is fine with me. I cancelled speed bingo with the blue hairs to be able to attend the dinner. PPP On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: On Nov 29, 2013, at 14:27, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all! Sorry I was away visiting my Grandmother in Michigan for a few days. It turned out to be an interesting visit due to the fact that she is Italian and everything is always interesting when an old Italian woman is in the room. Anywhoozle, so Spacegiving is next Thursday 12/6. Thursday 12/5 or Friday 12/6? As an FYI, if it is happening on Thursday, that's the same day that Mythbusters are in town at EJT. Chris If we do fry the turkey, we should be able to do that at the space, so Torrie kitchen won't be needed. Phil. please bring the salad since you are the only one to offer any veggies so far, it would be much appreciated. I am going to try and go through the emails and jot down what everyone is bringing so that way I can pick up what we are lacking. I would expect about 15-20 people I think, it anyone thinks the number might be different, please correct me, but I figure between the regulars who hangout at the space, new members, and any add-ons of possible new members that we will have A LOT of people there. I will get back to you with a list soon. I hope everyone had a fantastic Thanksgiving with family, friends or possibly with your cats. :) Oh and Torrie, Merry Christmas! (Not many of you know, it has been the x-mas season for a week now in my small world. I live in a small town and work in a different small town and both towns had there x-mas season opening last week.) Best wishes! -Beth On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Nicholas Petroski nicholaspetro...@gmail.com wrote: A Thanksgiving miracle!!! On Nov 29, 2013 9:08 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 09:39:40 Torrie Fischer wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 23:38:19 Bethany Munyan wrote: Hello all! So tonight, after the meeting, I was talking with a bunch of people at the space and we want to have a SYNHAK Thanksgiving, or Spacegiving. I think we are going to do it next week on Wednesday 12/4, before/during/after the safety class. I'm not sure. Chris said he has a turkey that if someone cooks we can eat. I believe Torrie said she will cook that. I can bring pie. Who else wants to come and bring food? I do ask that if you do attend, you bring something for everyone. Best wishes, happy hacking, merry thanksgiving. :) -Beth I'm...not entirely sure how we could stuff (har) a whole second Thanksgiving dinner into the space while people are trying to learn shop safety, or have a meeting. Thats a lot of food with potentially a lot of people. I think Monday, Thursday, or especially Friday would be the best option. Nothing ever happens on a Friday night. I'm not in favor of thanksgiving happening on such a busy night, can it happen on such an off night? Semi-related: I might be cancelling next week's trip to SF due to having paid a $300 vet bill for Boots the Cat, which means I likely can't contribute towards a second thanksgiving dinner, though I'd be free on Friday. I'm still figuring out whats up with Boots. Preventing liver failure could be exorbitantly expensive, and no pet insurance I can find covers pre-existing conditions. Good news, everybody. Boots is getting better and it isn't liver failure; just a kidney infection. I also cancelled my trip for that week and rescheduled it for dec 26th-jan 2nd, so I can help out with spacegiving. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list
Re: [SH-Discuss] webcam gone down
Yea I haven't been able to see it the last few days --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: November 24, 2013 9:00 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] webcam gone down Howdy, all. Some people have told me that the webcam isn't reachable on live.synhak.org. My guess is that our IP address changed again. Craig (or anyone else), is there a way to fix that? I'm pretty sure our business class internet comes with 5 static IPs. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Programming Classes
I'd be interested. Tired of trying to learn myself and ending up getting no where --- Original Message --- From: Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net Sent: November 23, 2013 10:59 AM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Programming Classes Who would be interested in a series of weekly hour-long programming classes taught at the space this summer? They'd be limited in scope to a particiular language or domain. Here's what I'm able to teach: * GStreamer (C) * Python * Django (Python) * Qt (C++) * Javascript ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Offtopic List?
I personally would love to see forums where we could all post and have a thread for projects we are working on --- Original Message --- From: Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com Sent: November 13, 2013 4:52 PM To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Offtopic List? *watches the subscriber count jump by two* Yeah, the subreddit exists. Nothing really gets posted to it due to its low subscriber count. We usually post stuff to /r/Akron and /r/Cleveland rather than to the subreddit itself. However, if you really value your precious interweb points, feel free to post something there and ask for up-phongs to the negative x-axis. At least I'll upvote you. Chris On 11/13/2013 4:40 PM, Ben Lippincott wrote: WHAT?! WHY WAS I NOT TOLD ABOUT THIS? aaa reddit i love you On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com mailto:ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Forums were discussed a couple of years ago in the beginning. The opposition to them was that people would have to register in order to use them, and then it's another web app that we have to maintain, apply security patches to, and everyone else would have to remember credentials for. Personally, I don't think the community (members, friends of the space, people interested in us, etc) is large enough to justify running something like vBulletin, SMF or phpBB. Reddit is kinda already implemented (we have a SYN/HAK subreddit), but I think only a handful of us actually use the site. The subreddit has something like six posts in 8 months. More mailing lists appeals to me because it makes it possible for people to subscribe to channels of discussion that are relevant to them. For example, if we were to start making mailing lists that are specific to individual projects (for example, the Power Racing Series cars), someone who is uninterested in the project could browse the pipermail archives if they wanted to see what was going on with the project. If they were then interested in the project, they could join the list and become active that way. Sure, it's nice to have one big massive list that everyone subscribes to, but eventually you start to get the people that are overwhelmed with the amount of email they are receiving. Chris On 11/13/2013 4:20 PM, Ben Lippincott wrote: We could make a private subreddit On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com mailto:just...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like a different medium might work better. I fear that different people will have different opinions about what is off-topic. Maybe instead Fourm Reddit etc. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Ben Lippincott benji.lippinc...@gmail.com mailto:benji.lippinc...@gmail.com wrote: Wooot! Let's do it! On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com mailto:beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. I like the idea of having an 'off-topic' mailing list. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com mailto:ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Hey hackers! I've been watching the mailing lists very closely for some time now, and have noticed a general uptrend in the volume of email sent to the discuss list. Sometimes we get offtopic and go off on tangents about toast, or other topics which are fun to talk about, but are ultimately irrelevant to the space itself. Usually, this isn't a problem, but for someone who is interested in the space, but not the minutiae of every little bit of day-to-day operations, it can quickly turn into an overwhelming amount of email. Today, I'm asking for input on how we should proceed with the mailing lists. As you may know, we currently have 5 lists, two of which are public, one semipublic, and two private. discuss@synhak.org mailto:discuss@synhak.org and annou...@synhak.org mailto:annou...@synhak.org are the two that everyone knows about. Members may know that they are automatically subscribed to memb...@synhak.org mailto:memb...@synhak.org. Board members are subscribed to bo...@synhak.org mailto:bo...@synhak.org and us sysadmin folk are members of
