RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Discernment (was "Learning Cold Fusion")
Charlie and ALL!! Thanks for your great notes and details of each course. I will look into all of these options. I will probably do the book / study group / build a simple app method. I have no interest in building .CFCs at this time. Im not looking for a career change, just attaining some knowledge as a means to an end to build or manage some areas of growth if I do it myself or sub it out. Thanks again. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:59 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Discernment (was "Learning Cold Fusion") As you've hear, Robert, there are a wide variety of opinions of how best to learn about CF. I think it's worthwhile, though, to consider that learning CF is like learning other subjects: the learners (and the teachers) come to their respective tasks with different expectations and of course vastly different backgrounds (I mean within the students, or within the teachers, and of course between the two). Think of learning to paint, or do woodwork, or work on cars. Some just want to tinker and dabble. Others want to become professionals. Clearly, the former shouldn't jump to the latter without adequate training and experience. Similarly, some teach a topic presuming the learner just want to dabble, while others teach like the learner is intending to become a professional (or, still another perspective, a professional teacher). Both the student and the teacher (and those helping either) would do well to remember these distinctions, because some resources will be great for the dabbler (to help them get started and at least get something done), but they could indeed fail to instill the best practices that will help you as a budding professional. I guess it's like learning to walk before we run. Or maybe it's like teaching a child to read. Some will let it occur naturally and with children's books, while others will incite the children to read more advanced texts, because they think it will better train them. I'm really not arguing that either camp is right, in learning to/teaching to read or program. Just putting out there that there are these differences, and that you should be aware that some will argue a topic from a position of staunch advocacy--and with your best interests in their heart. It's up to each of us to be discerning about what resources make the most sense for our stage and intentions, lest we avoid being led into the deep too soon. I suppose we could relate it to learning to swim, too, but that's enough analogies and similes for one day. :-) /charlie - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
[ACFUG Discuss] CFMX 7.01 on Centos 4 (aka RHEL)
Hey,I'm trying to get CFMX 7 running on Centos 4. For the uninitiated, Centos 4 is a Linux distribution compiled from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux sources. Yes, I know this is not an officially supported configuration. I got no errors from the installer other than a warning that it couldn't confirm if I had the libstdc++ compatibility library loaded (I do).
I ran into a problem first with the missing JDBC drivers jar ("java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: macromedia/jdbc/MacromediaDriver" in the log). I fixed that and now the server starts but the CF servlets don't load. I've googled around for others with this issue but they seem to be having problems with things that don't apply to my situation (multiple instances, multiple JVMs, etc.). Can someone point me in the right direction here?
Here's the log:Starting Macromedia JRun 4.0 (Build 92909), coldfusion server06/19 22:47:44 warning Unable to open /opt/coldfusionmx7/runtime/lib/license.properties06/19 22:47:45 info JRun Naming Service listening on *:2920
06/19 22:47:45 warning No sessionSecret has been specified in jrun.xml. Installing a self generated sessionSecret.06/19 22:47:46 info No JDBC data sources have been configured for this server (see jrun-resources.xml
)06/19 22:47:46 info JRun Web Server listening on *:850006/19 22:47:46 info JRun Proxy Server listening on *:5101106/19 22:47:46 info Deploying enterprise application "Macromedia ColdFusion MX" from: file:/opt/coldfusionmx7/
06/19 22:47:46 info Deploying web application "Macromedia Coldfusion MX" from: file:/opt/coldfusionmx7/06/19 22:47:46 error Error loading class for Filter CFCacheFilter: Filter is disabled.java.lang.ClassNotFoundException
: coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilterat jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.findClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:161)at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass
(JRunURLClassLoader.java:77)at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:69)at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.loadFilter(FilterManager.java:184)at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.init
(FilterManager.java:155)at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.create(FilterManager.java:74)at jrun.servlet.WebApplicationService.start(WebApplicationService.java:223)at jrun.ea.EnterpriseApplication.start
(EnterpriseApplication.java:194)at jrun.deployment.DeployerService.initModules(DeployerService.java:710)at jrun.deployment.DeployerService.createWatchedDeployment(DeployerService.java:242)at
jrun.deployment.DeployerService.deploy(DeployerService.java:430)at jrun.deployment.DeployerService.handleEvent(DeployerService.java:381)at jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.fireEvent(JRunServiceDeployer.java
:710)at jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.deployServices(JRunServiceDeployer.java:111)at jrunx.kernel.DeploymentService.loadServices(DeploymentService.java:46)at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0
(Native Method)at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1628)at com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1523)at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startServer(JRun.java
:575)at jrunx.kernel.JRun.(JRun.java:493)at jrunx.kernel.JRun$1.run(JRun.java:346)at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)at jrunx.kernel.JRun.start
(JRun.java:343)at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke
(Unknown Source)at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)at jrunx.kernel.JRun.invoke(JRun.java:180)at jrunx.kernel.JRun.main(JRun.java:168)06/19 22:47:46 user JSPServlet: init
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFMxmlServlet06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: ColdFusionStartUpServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CfmServlet06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFSwfServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFCServlet06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: FlashGateway
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFFormGateway06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet06/19 22:47:47 error Could
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and his advanced book. Some list members have given me a couple links. I am using MySQL 4.1x And Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is loaded. I am a self taught MCSE 4.0, Cisco, and HP certified so self taught is no problem for me and like most have said I basically just started loading software and started using it and making it work per the exercises. So I guess CF will be the same thing. All of my needs for CF are solely to make my AbleCommerce app work better, and for us to create some internal tools like purchasing apps, add columns to the AC framework to hold vendor csv data, create research tools like "Where Used" (we had a LONG discussion on that last week!) etc. So I really don't have time to learn a lot, just enough to get by or even maybe just enough to direct someone to what I want if it's too deep. Based on this info are there any further tidbits? Other than that I guess I am ready to get into the meat of the Web Constuction Kit I would say from reading you all's notes and start playing with our data. Im thinking a relevant project for the company may be good. Something simple like a Phone Support lookup tool (product search)? As far as DB Design, Normalizing etc I don't see I would need that unless I am able to build that Where Used DB as previously discussed. Or if I add that one to many, or many to many as was also dicussed to insert that "Vendor_Products" table into the AC framework but Im afraid of how to rebuild it if AC has an upgrade available later. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion By the way, if you haven't seen it yet I have a little advice on how *not* to write code. The company I work for, Foundstone (A division of McAfee), has just release HacmeShipping. The tool was written by me, along with some support from Jeremy Allen. It shows how *not* to write CFMX 7 code under Model-Glue, though mostly from the perspective of security concerns with CFML. You can download the code from http://www.foundstone.com/resources/s3i_tools.htm along wi
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Gosh... Now I am scared... >From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between 2 tables that are currently using one table. But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :( Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and his advanced book. Some list members have given me a couple links. I am using MySQL 4.1x And Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is loaded. I am a self taught MCSE 4.0, Cisco, and HP certified so self taught is no problem for me and like most have said I basically just started loading software and started using it and making it work per the exercises. So I guess CF will be the same thing. All of my needs for CF are solely to make my AbleCommerce app work better, and for us to create some internal tools like purchasing apps, add columns to the AC framework to hold vendor csv data, create research tools like "Where Used" (we had a LONG discussion on that last week!) etc. So I really don't have time to learn a lot, just enough to get by or even maybe just enough to direct someone to what I want if it's too deep. Based on this info are there any further tidbits? Other than that I guess I am ready to get into the meat of the Web Constuction Kit I would say from reading you all's notes and start playing with our data. Im thinking a relevant project for the company may be good. Something simple like a Phone Support lookup tool (product search)? As far as DB Design, Normalizing etc I don't see I would need that unless I am able to build that Where Used DB as previously discussed. Or if I add that one to many, or many to many as was also dicussed to insert that "Vendor_Products" table into the AC framework but Im afraid of how to rebuild it if AC has an upgrade available later. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW K
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
I couldn't find anything that worked the way my client wanted so I am building my own. Am I nuts for trying? It is complicated, but not overly so. Am I missing something here? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and his advanced book. Some list members have given me a couple links. I am using MySQL 4.1x And Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is loaded. I am a self taught MCSE 4.0, Cisco, and HP certified so self taught is no problem for me and like most have said I basically just started loading software and started using it and making it work per the exercises. So I guess CF will be the same thing. All of my needs for CF are solely to make my AbleCommerce app work better, and for us to create some internal tools like purchasing apps, add columns to the AC framework to hold vendor csv data, create research tools like "Where Used" (we had a LONG discussion on that last week!) etc. So I really don't have time to learn a lot, just enough to get by or even maybe just enough to direct someone to what I want if it's too deep. Based on this info are there any further tidbits? Other than that I guess I am ready to get into the meat of the Web Constuction Kit I would say from reading you all's notes and start playing with our data. Im thinking a relevant project for the company may be good. Something simple like a Phone Support lookup tool (product search)? As far as DB Design, Normalizing etc I don't see I would need that unless I am able to build that Where Used DB as previously discussed. Or if I add that one to many, or many to many as was also dicussed to insert that "Vendor_Products" table into the AC framework but Im afraid of how to rebuild it if AC has an upgrade available later. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion By the way, if you haven't seen it yet I have a little advice on how *not* to
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Well here is the thing. From what I have seen the AbleCommerce product has a lot to offer for a relatively small price tag. That being said, I agree they do not do things the best way, in fact some stuff is down right insane. I think their product is great for the following scenario. Setup your store with the ablecommerce product to generate income while you are developing your own better solution. You are right, it is complicated but not too bad. The thing is you want to take your time and consider all aspects of the project. And the low cost of the ablecommerce product would give you at least on the user side a full featured store to sustain you until you can rollout the home grown store. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lansford Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:44 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I couldn't find anything that worked the way my client wanted so I am building my own. Am I nuts for trying? It is complicated, but not overly so. Am I missing something here? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and his advanced book. Some list members have given me a couple links. I am using MySQL 4.1x And Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is loaded. I am a self taught MCSE 4.0, Cisco, and HP certified so self taught is no problem for me and like most have said I basically just started loading software and started using it and making it work per the exercises. So I guess CF will be the same thing. All of my needs for CF are solely to make my AbleCommerce app work better, and for us to create some internal tools like purchasing apps, add columns to the AC framework to hold vendor csv data, create research tools like "Where Used" (we had a LONG discussion on that last week!) etc. So I really don't have time to learn a lot, just enough to get by or even maybe just enough to direct someone to what I want if it's too deep. Based on this info are there any further tidbits? Other than that I guess I am ready to get into the meat of the Web Constuction Kit I would say from r
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution that works. You will make mistakes. You can always fix them. Much better to try and fail and improve from your failure than to not bother trying because of the perceived complexity of the tasked. If your solution works and has reasonable performance characteristics it is good. You can look back with more experience and ponder how you might have done it better. You will often find that if something works and still performs well the reasons to monkey with it or make it "better" are academic rather than driven by some business need. Anyhow, if you get stuck post your DB Schema (table design) and the business need you are trying to solve and we can help you out. Stop worrying about if you can or can't do it. All you have to do is get your hands dirty. You may feel lost or that you are doing something wrong. Just keep doing it until one of the following happens: it works or it does not work and you have tried everything you can think of to make it work. Shawn no formal courses or training on database design. Just a lot of reading and experience with what works and doesn't work. I realized pretty early on that database design was not just an afterthought to the application development process so I invested a significant amount of time reading, designing and fixing my old (not as good) database designs. MCG I am OK with database design, but I don't think I will be writing a book on it any time soon.Good LuckJeremyOn 6/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gosh... Now I am scared...From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between2 tables that are currently using one table.But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :(Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done...Robert P. ReilManaging Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.4292 Country Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanismsfor customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for,personally.Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, youwill not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classesand most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parametersand datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret theirdocumentation, generated with JavaDocs.I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF,and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improveda bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler(and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to formvalidation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution.The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here:http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards,Steve Drucker CEOFig Leaf Softwarehttp://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.comAdobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cody WehuntSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold FusionI think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughtsbelow:1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how tomake modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future.2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possibleyour changes from their code and database tables.3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion.Cody-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Robert ReilSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce.I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another t
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Shawn: Both college and technical training. Also worked as a consultant for MEAG power as a data architect and for Georgia Pacific as a DBA... Sincerely, Brooks Wilson Golf is an awkward set of bodily contortions designed to produce a graceful result. - Thomas D. Armour (1898-1968) Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta · 1000 Peachtree Street, N.E. · Atlanta Georgia 30309-4470 · 404.498.8178 · fax 404.498.8239 · [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:46 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Sure it isn't an all encompassing book. I think it works well as a place to start for programmers who have probably never taken database design in college or elswhere, which is probably the majority of CF programmers. It will help them to avoid some of the common mistakes that new programmers tend to make, like making a database that is more akin to a spreadsheet. I'm kind of curious. How many of you have taken a formalized course on database design in either college or other technical training? Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't particularly care for that book as the author goes on tangents that didn't seem to belong in a database design book. The author also seems to go to great pains to avoid discussing normalization and the normal forms by their proper names (though the content is buried in there). This was in the 97 version, perhaps it was updated.I am not trying to be picky or anything it is just that I happen to have read that particular title and it could have been a lot better with a maybe one chapter on some more advanced topics referenced by their proper names. That said that book combined with SQL for Smarties (Celko) do make a pretty good pair. Jeremy On 6/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: A good book for learning about normalization (in plain English) is Database Design for Mere Mortals. Shawn Gorrell Web Development Applications Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 "Jeremy Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/2006 12:49 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn SQL in 10 minutes book focuses on SQL Syntax and SQL Queries. That is good... you DO need to know all of that and I suppose a structured approach to learning the syntax and basics is required. I also willingly admit that the Celko book is pretty out there in terms of skill level for a lot of the topics covered. You will save yourself a LOT of pain by understanding proper database design and normalization early on. Its not a difficult thing to get a handle on. If your average developer just knew 1NF, 2NF and 3NF better database designs on the whole would be a lot better. You can probably find enough on the normal forms just by searching the Internet. Once again Wikipedia is a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization . I only bring it up because it is quite often overlooked and it is a critical piece in my mind. Enough on that. Come to the ACFUG meetings as often as you can and get to know people. Look at all of the open source code out there in CF. There is not a ton of open source CF code but there is enough. Get to know the community, you won't find a much better development community than the CF community. When I started with ColdFusion years ago these lists were the best resources out there for learning things and tackling tough and relatively esoteric problems and they still are today. Chances are whatever problem you are having has been solved many times over and you need but ask. You may ask a question that 100 other people have asked and those of us that have seen the question may groan at it and start thinking, "Jeez" RTFM, however, you will find your question is still answered even if it is a link to ColdFusion documentation pointing out that oh so "obvious" function or tag that solves your problem (that is my way of saying "there aren't usually stupid questions only stupid answers"). And if I didn't impress this upon you well enough in my first post: start writing code! It doesn't have to be perfect. Once you start writing code you can start breaking things and we will have more concrete advice to give you ;-) Good night all.. sleep awaits. Jeremy -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group
So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
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If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. > So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else > is interested please let me know. > > > > John > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
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Count me in John. On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
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Both I and Jared Rapp would like to pursue this as well. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Count me in John. On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
DB Schema? You mean the relationships of tables? I can give a link to that. It just seems that from what Cody was saying I have to understand JAVA, and CF, and SQL to get a grip on how to do what needs to be done. My biggest problem is available time. Im working 7 days a week now and have little extra time. So I need to implement a solid method of achieving a goal of getting this modification done. I cant afford to keep stabbing at getting this thing done. Hire this guy, and that guy and no one offering solutions. So for that reason I have a meeting with a professional DBA web project manager next Monday to discuss his developing a plan where I can get some results. I am sure there will be some subcontracting, learning, DIYSing (Do It Your Self), employee delegating, ACFUG list info gleaning etc. Just trying to figure out where to start and have solid direction. But Jeremy thanks for the words of confidence. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution that works. You will make mistakes. You can always fix them. Much better to try and fail and improve from your failure than to not bother trying because of the perceived complexity of the tasked. If your solution works and has reasonable performance characteristics it is good. You can look back with more experience and ponder how you might have done it better. You will often find that if something works and still performs well the reasons to monkey with it or make it "better" are academic rather than driven by some business need. Anyhow, if you get stuck post your DB Schema (table design) and the business need you are trying to solve and we can help you out. Stop worrying about if you can or can't do it. All you have to do is get your hands dirty. You may feel lost or that you are doing something wrong. Just keep doing it until one of the following happens: it works or it does not work and you have tried everything you can think of to make it work. Good Luck Jeremy On 6/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gosh... Now I am scared... >From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between 2 tables that are currently using one table. But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :( Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what m
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
I will say that the $1000 it costs just for the Database, and data recording feature part of it all built up and a place to grow from it is probably worth that to have it as a starting point. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:04 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well here is the thing. From what I have seen the AbleCommerce product has a lot to offer for a relatively small price tag. That being said, I agree they do not do things the best way, in fact some stuff is down right insane. I think their product is great for the following scenario. Setup your store with the ablecommerce product to generate income while you are developing your own better solution. You are right, it is complicated but not too bad. The thing is you want to take your time and consider all aspects of the project. And the low cost of the ablecommerce product would give you at least on the user side a full featured store to sustain you until you can rollout the home grown store. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lansford Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:44 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I couldn't find anything that worked the way my client wanted so I am building my own. Am I nuts for trying? It is complicated, but not overly so. Am I missing something here? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and his advanced book. Some list members have given me a couple links. I am using MySQL 4.1x And Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is loaded. I am a self taught MCSE 4.0, Cisco, and HP certified so self taught is no problem for me and like most have said I basically just started loading software and started using it and making it work per the exercises. So I guess CF will be the same thing. All of my needs for CF are solel
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Database Schema usually refers to the definition and design of your database. You will see acronyms like DDL (Data Defintion Language) or some might refer to it as the Metadata, which simply just means Data about the Data. On 6/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DB Schema? You mean the relationships of tables? I can give a link to that. It just seems that from what Cody was saying I have to understand JAVA, and CF, and SQL to get a grip on how to do what needs to be done. My biggest problem is available time. Im working 7 days a week now and have little extra time. So I need to implement a solid method of achieving a goal of getting this modification done. I cant afford to keep stabbing at getting this thing done. Hire this guy, and that guy and no one offering solutions. So for that reason I have a meeting with a professional DBA web project manager next Monday to discuss his developing a plan where I can get some results. I am sure there will be some subcontracting, learning, DIYSing (Do It Your Self), employee delegating, ACFUG list info gleaning etc. Just trying to figure out where to start and have solid direction. But Jeremy thanks for the words of confidence. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution that works. You will make mistakes. You can always fix them. Much better to try and fail and improve from your failure than to not bother trying because of the perceived complexity of the tasked. If your solution works and has reasonable performance characteristics it is good. You can look back with more experience and ponder how you might have done it better. You will often find that if something works and still performs well the reasons to monkey with it or make it "better" are academic rather than driven by some business need. Anyhow, if you get stuck post your DB Schema (table design) and the business need you are trying to solve and we can help you out. Stop worrying about if you can or can't do it. All you have to do is get your hands dirty. You may feel lost or that you are doing something wrong. Just keep doing it until one of the following happens: it works or it does not work and you have tried everything you can think of to make it work. Good Luck Jeremy On 6/20/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gosh... Now I am scared... >From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between 2 tables that are currently using one table. But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :( Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Messa
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Is this it? www.motorcyclecarbs.com\remove.me\AC55_CustomizationGuide.pdf Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:23 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Database Schema usually refers to the definition and design of your database. You will see acronyms like DDL (Data Defintion Language) or some might refer to it as the Metadata, which simply just means Data about the Data. On 6/20/06, Robert Reil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DB Schema? You mean the relationships of tables? I can give a link to that. It just seems that from what Cody was saying I have to understand JAVA, and CF, and SQL to get a grip on how to do what needs to be done. My biggest problem is available time. Im working 7 days a week now and have little extra time. So I need to implement a solid method of achieving a goal of getting this modification done. I cant afford to keep stabbing at getting this thing done. Hire this guy, and that guy and no one offering solutions. So for that reason I have a meeting with a professional DBA web project manager next Monday to discuss his developing a plan where I can get some results. I am sure there will be some subcontracting, learning, DIYSing (Do It Your Self), employee delegating, ACFUG list info gleaning etc. Just trying to figure out where to start and have solid direction. But Jeremy thanks for the words of confidence. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution that works. You will make mistakes. You can always fix them. Much better to try and fail and improve from your failure than to not bother trying because of the perceived complexity of the tasked. If your solution works and has reasonable performance characteristics it is good. You can look back with more experience and ponder how you might have done it better. You will often find that if something works and still performs well the reasons to monkey with it or make it "better" are academic rather than driven by some business need. Anyhow, if you get stuck post your DB Schema (table design) and the business need you are trying to solve and we can help you out. Stop worrying about if you can or can't do it. All you have to do is get your hands dirty. You may feel lost or that you are doing something wrong. Just keep doing it until one of the following happens: it works or it does not work and you have tried everything you can think of to make it work. Good Luck Jeremy On 6/20/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gosh... Now I am scared... >From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between 2 tables that are currently using one table. But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :( Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF featur
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
Your schema is page 39-85. The rest is how to update, manage and administer the able commerce application itself.On 6/20/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this it? www.motorcyclecarbs.com\remove.me\AC55_CustomizationGuide.pdf Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:23 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Database Schema usually refers to the definition and design of your database. You will see acronyms like DDL (Data Defintion Language) or some might refer to it as the Metadata, which simply just means Data about the Data. On 6/20/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DB Schema? You mean the relationships of tables? I can give a link to that. It just seems that from what Cody was saying I have to understand JAVA, and CF, and SQL to get a grip on how to do what needs to be done. My biggest problem is available time. Im working 7 days a week now and have little extra time. So I need to implement a solid method of achieving a goal of getting this modification done. I cant afford to keep stabbing at getting this thing done. Hire this guy, and that guy and no one offering solutions. So for that reason I have a meeting with a professional DBA web project manager next Monday to discuss his developing a plan where I can get some results. I am sure there will be some subcontracting, learning, DIYSing (Do It Your Self), employee delegating, ACFUG list info gleaning etc. Just trying to figure out where to start and have solid direction. But Jeremy thanks for the words of confidence. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw , Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Jeremy Allen [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution that works. You will make mistakes. You can always fix them. Much better to try and fail and improve from your failure than to not bother trying because of the perceived complexity of the tasked. If your solution works and has reasonable performance characteristics it is good. You can look back with more experience and ponder how you might have done it better. You will often find that if something works and still performs well the reasons to monkey with it or make it "better" are academic rather than driven by some business need. Anyhow, if you get stuck post your DB Schema (table design) and the business need you are trying to solve and we can help you out. Stop worrying about if you can or can't do it. All you have to do is get your hands dirty. You may feel lost or that you are doing something wrong. Just keep doing it until one of the following happens: it works or it does not work and you have tried everything you can think of to make it work. Good Luck Jeremy On 6/20/06, Robert Reil < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gosh... Now I am scared... >From my perspective I have a simple problem (I need a table added in between 2 tables that are currently using one table. But it seems that I either need thousands of dollars to have it done, or years of learning in order to figure out how to do it... :( Maybe I should get another cart that does this thing I need done... Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-ti
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group
is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1? DK On 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. > So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else > is interested please let me know. > > > > John > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group
Wasn't that for 4 to 5?I am not sure it was for 5 to 6 or 6 to 7.On 6/20/06, Douglas Knudsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1?DKOn 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to > get CF 7.>> > So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else> > is interested please let me know.> >> >> >> > John > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > -> To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform>> For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/> List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > ---Douglas Knudsenhttp://www.cubicleman.comthis is my signature, like it? -To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglistsArchive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com--- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group
I would like pursue this as well. Thanks, Ruben Ramirez From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert ReilSent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:51 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Both I and Jared Rapp would like to pursue this as well. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:34 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Count me in John. On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group
So the next question is where, when, how often, using what materials? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Ramirez, Ruben - Curtis 1000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:54 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group I would like pursue this as well. Thanks, Ruben Ramirez From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Both I and Jared Rapp would like to pursue this as well. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Count me in John. On 6/20/06, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CFMX 7.01 on Centos 4 (aka RHEL)
Hi Howard,
Did you go with Centos because of a customer requirement?
tom
Howard Fore wrote:
Hey,
I'm trying to get CFMX 7 running on Centos 4. For the uninitiated,
Centos 4 is a Linux distribution compiled from the Red Hat Enterprise
Linux sources. Yes, I know this is not an officially supported
configuration. I got no errors from the installer other than a warning
that it couldn't confirm if I had the libstdc++ compatibility library
loaded (I do).
I ran into a problem first with the missing JDBC drivers jar
("java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: macromedia/jdbc/MacromediaDriver" in
the log). I fixed that and now the server starts but the CF servlets
don't load. I've googled around for others with this issue but they
seem to be having problems with things that don't apply to my
situation (multiple instances, multiple JVMs, etc.). Can someone point
me in the right direction here?
Here's the log:
Starting Macromedia JRun 4.0 (Build 92909), coldfusion server
06/19 22:47:44 warning Unable to open
/opt/coldfusionmx7/runtime/lib/license.properties
06/19 22:47:45 info JRun Naming Service listening on *:2920
06/19 22:47:45 warning No sessionSecret has been specified in
jrun.xml. Installing a self generated sessionSecret.
06/19 22:47:46 info No JDBC data sources have been configured for this
server (see jrun-resources.xml )
06/19 22:47:46 info JRun Web Server listening on *:8500
06/19 22:47:46 info JRun Proxy Server listening on *:51011
06/19 22:47:46 info Deploying enterprise application "Macromedia
ColdFusion MX" from: file:/opt/coldfusionmx7/
06/19 22:47:46 info Deploying web application "Macromedia Coldfusion
MX" from: file:/opt/coldfusionmx7/
06/19 22:47:46 error Error loading class for Filter CFCacheFilter:
Filter is disabled.
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException : coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter
at
jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.findClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:161)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass
(JRunURLClassLoader.java:77)
at
jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:69)
at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.loadFilter(FilterManager.java:184)
at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.init (FilterManager.java:155)
at jrun.servlet.FilterManager.create(FilterManager.java:74)
at
jrun.servlet.WebApplicationService.start(WebApplicationService.java:223)
at jrun.ea.EnterpriseApplication.start
(EnterpriseApplication.java:194)
at
jrun.deployment.DeployerService.initModules(DeployerService.java:710)
at
jrun.deployment.DeployerService.createWatchedDeployment(DeployerService.java:242)
at
jrun.deployment.DeployerService.deploy(DeployerService.java:430)
at
jrun.deployment.DeployerService.handleEvent(DeployerService.java:381)
at
jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.fireEvent(JRunServiceDeployer.java :710)
at
jrunx.kernel.JRunServiceDeployer.deployServices(JRunServiceDeployer.java:111)
at
jrunx.kernel.DeploymentService.loadServices(DeploymentService.java:46)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0 (Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at
com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1628)
at
com.sun.management.jmx.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:1523)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun.startServer(JRun.java :575)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun.(JRun.java:493)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun$1.run(JRun.java:346)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun.start (JRun.java:343)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke (Unknown
Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun.invoke(JRun.java:180)
at jrunx.kernel.JRun.main(JRun.java:168)
06/19 22:47:46 user JSPServlet: init
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFMxmlServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: ColdFusionStartUpServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CfmServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFSwfServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: CFCServlet
06/19 22:47:47 info coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet
06/19 22:47:47 error Could not pre-load servlet: FlashGateway
06/19
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CFMX 7.01 on Centos 4 (aka RHEL)
Nope, it's my personal server. On 6/20/06, Tom Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Howard, Did you go with Centos because of a customer requirement? -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The less you know, the more you believe." - U2, Last Night On Earth - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion
I agree that it would be good to see how someone else approached the problem. But I personally think there are several issues with their schema and the way they handle certain things. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I will say that the $1000 it costs just for the Database, and data recording feature part of it all built up and a place to grow from it is probably worth that to have it as a starting point. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:04 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well here is the thing. From what I have seen the AbleCommerce product has a lot to offer for a relatively small price tag. That being said, I agree they do not do things the best way, in fact some stuff is down right insane. I think their product is great for the following scenario. Setup your store with the ablecommerce product to generate income while you are developing your own better solution. You are right, it is complicated but not too bad. The thing is you want to take your time and consider all aspects of the project. And the low cost of the ablecommerce product would give you at least on the user side a full featured store to sustain you until you can rollout the home grown store. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lansford Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:44 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I couldn't find anything that worked the way my client wanted so I am building my own. Am I nuts for trying? It is complicated, but not overly so. Am I missing something here? Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce is really and truly a Java business-logic layer with a ColdFusion-based UI tier. That is to say, you will not be able to view the source of any of the AbleCommerce Java classes and most of your CF work will revolve around using or CreateObject() to instantiate the proper classes and pass valid parameters and datatypes (javaCast()). You'll also need to properly interpret their documentation, generated with JavaDocs. I don't even really consider working with AbleCommerce to be CF programming...it's more of an exercise in leveraging Java from within CF, and working with their administrative UI. Hopefully the CF-tier has improved a bit from the last time that I used it (4.32). At that stage it was a really bad port of (obviously) JSP that didn't take advantage of simpler (and more scalable) CF features -- particularly with respect to form validation and caching instantiated components in session scope for faster execution. The site that we developed in Ablecommerce 4.32 is here: http://www.aacu.org/publications/index.cfm Regards, Steve Drucker CEO Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com Adobe / Macromedia / Google / Paperthin Premier Consulting and Training Partner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look at your problem from several angles. Some initial thoughts below: 1) You need to review and read the documentation at ablecommerce on how to make modifications that will not break when doing upgrades to their products in the future. 2) You definitely want to make sure that you abstract as much as possible your changes from their code and database tables. 3) For the project you mentioned you will likely need to know a significant amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all for your comments. I have 6.1 loaded on 2 servers with each running AbleCommerce. I need to at some point consider 7.0 upgrading, but at another time. I have Forta's Construction kit, and h
