RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
I bumped the JVM setting in the CF Admin from 128 to 256 I also allowed 10 sessions vs the default 8. It would seem that the problems seem to be site specific as when I stop the production site in IIS, and then stop/start CFMX AppSrv the CFAdmin works fast and smoothly. When I start the IIS site it starts to bog down. One thing I noticed. This server is not the hardware config I thought it was. I was confused with another server. This is a dual 450/768mb ram. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Stack Trace: --- http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/stack.htm http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/rcga01ts01%20Jun%2030,%202006%2010% 2017%2020%20PM%20%20SeeFusion.htm After a while the processor calmed down and this is a shot of the status: http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/rcga01ts01%20Jun%2030,%202006%2010% 2019%2059%20PM%20%20SeeFusion.htm --- Nice tool. Wish I could read it but I hope this is enough to read into it as I feel it is up and running stable at the moment today. Again folks the JRUN is hanging more than just a slow reboot of CF Services. John: How do you wrap your database calls? I don't get that. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Load in seefusion and see what's happening. www.seefusion.com Remember to wrap your database calls with seefusion so it can see the db calls. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:58 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot JRUN hogging again. Cant get to any CF run pages. JRUN.exe is using almost 180,000k ram. Is this normal? Averaging 50~75% processor resources. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot No virus. All legit processes. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot It boots, and shuts down normally, a bit slow but noting offensive. Once it loads GUI, it takes about 2-3 mins to load a browser and resolve the local home page. Then about 10 mins before the CF built page will load instead of erroring out on JRUN. No browser warnings in event viewer. Not multi homed. It does not load any network critical services. It does run Backup Exec, IIS, Terminal Services, Grisoft AV, MySQL, and MSSQL. I do notice that there are a couple questionable processes running and will google them for potential viruses. DLLHOST.exe CTFMON.exe CSRSS.exe LLSSRV.exe LSASS.exe Pvlsvr.exe Swagent.exe Swsoc.exe Swstrtr.exe All other processes make sense to me. I terminaled in to check things out now that it is running and JRUN was 99-100% again for a duration then let go. Im logged in now running 50-98% idle. Hmmm I'm just now noticing that it is showing the 2 procs in the perf window of the task manager where previously it only showed one... Will look at the logs after the AV file check. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Are you seeing browser warnings on your system event logs? Also is this a multihomed server - does it exist on multiple networks? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot yeah, if its a DC, always takes forever to boot. Robert, is it taking
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
Have you modified the DB recently? I've seen bad SQL and/or DB changes that absolutely kill performance. Are you sure none of your code has a cartesian product from a bad join clause? See http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Cartesian_product for a definition. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy? --Gandhi Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd/ On Jul 1, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Robert Reil wrote: Removed AVG. Rebooted. Services started. Viewed with seefusion. And looked at task manager. 4 requests hit (unprocessed) JRUN at 60-100% continuously Ran up to 10requests. Only 2 of them processed quickly. 10th one hit at 9:25:50am JRUN holding 95~100% Started knocking them out of the processing que at 9:46:57am with 2 strings at 155,702ms Started processing users requests at 9:48:47 in a normal capacity. User requests average 30 seconds. Que steadily brought down to qty 3 at 9:54:48 Maintained 3 in que but processed request in approx 400ms till the request que was brought down to zero at 9:57:28. Maintaining que of zero steadily and JRUN use ZERO resources except for 30% spikes on a quick request as I assume it should be. Im now happy with it's performance but I wonder when and if it will hang again. And I KNOW it will hang again for 20 mins if I reboot again. This behavior is duplicatable. Thanks for all your patience as I rambled, whined, and gave irrelevant data. LOL. Any direction from here? Seems all I have done is identified the symptoms. But without seefusion I would still be whining. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
=8844 -04:16.072.30.102.76[EMAIL PROTECTED],047ms 4,047ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm -04:20.0206.163.236.68 [EMAIL PROTECTED],922ms14,922ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/BRAKE_SHOES_HONDA_333_P6245C286.cfm -06:24.372.30.132.211 [EMAIL PROTECTED],281ms31,297ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/product2.cfm?Product_ID=23 -06:58.472.30.107.88[EMAIL PROTECTED],719ms41,735ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/sendlink.cfm?Product_ID=9039 -07:47.372.30.111.87[EMAIL PROTECTED],421ms 1,437ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_C6.cfm -08:03.8193.47.80.83[EMAIL PROTECTED],061,735ms 1,061,750ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/manual_petcock_replacement_kit_W133.cfm -24:45.868.142.251.144 [EMAIL PROTECTED],812ms 6,766ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows Slow Requests Request Completed FromResponseTotalTime #Queries QryTime Longest Query SQL www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm -01:40.1144.9.8.21 [EMAIL PROTECTED],906ms10,922ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_Carburetors_C8.cfm -01:55.1206.163.236.68 [EMAIL PROTECTED],250ms 8,265ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm -02:03.4144.9.8.21 [EMAIL PROTECTED],079ms10,079ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/KEIHIN_MAIN_JET_99101-357_115_P5431C77.cfm -02:13.568.142.250.93 [EMAIL PROTECTED],765ms 114,765ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm -04:20.1206.163.236.68 [EMAIL PROTECTED],922ms14,922ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/BRAKE_SHOES_HONDA_333_P6245C286.cfm -06:24.472.30.132.211 [EMAIL PROTECTED],281ms31,297ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/product2.cfm?Product_ID=23 -06:58.572.30.107.88[EMAIL PROTECTED],719ms41,735ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_C6.cfm -08:03.8193.47.80.83[EMAIL PROTECTED],061,735ms 1,061,750ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows Help SeeFusion 3.3: Server Status Configuration CountersDebug OutputStack Trace SeeFusion Log SeeFusion 3.3 Copyright (c)2004-2006 Webapper Services, LLC Licensed to: 2hr Time-Limited evaluation version (2 servers) Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Load in seefusion and see what's happening. www.seefusion.com Remember to wrap your database calls with seefusion so it can see the db calls. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:58 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot JRUN hogging again. Cant get to any CF run pages. JRUN.exe is using almost 180,000k ram. Is this normal? Averaging 50~75% processor resources. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot No virus. All legit processes. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot It boots, and shuts down normally, a bit slow but noting offensive. Once it loads GUI, it takes about 2-3 mins to load a browser and resolve the local home page. Then about 10 mins before the CF built page will load instead of erroring out on JRUN. No browser warnings in event viewer. Not multi homed. It does not load any network critical services. It does run Backup Exec, IIS, Terminal Services, Grisoft AV, MySQL, and MSSQL. I do notice that there are a couple questionable processes running and will google them for potential viruses. DLLHOST.exe CTFMON.exe CSRSS.exe LLSSRV.exe LSASS.exe Pvlsvr.exe Swagent.exe Swsoc.exe Swstrtr.exe All other processes make sense to me. I terminaled in to check things out now that it is running and JRUN was 99-100% again for a duration then let
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
Nothing to speak of in there! (further reading makes me understand the logging setting needed to be on) Thanks for these pinpoint things to check. This is the first time I have been in here as someone else set this up for us. I think Cody loaded it but didn't get a chance to come back to it as he got called to Europe for business. Guess Im picking up where we left off... - CORBA Configuration not enabled Is the only thing I see in the Server.log Everything else is just services starting. Timeout was not on. It is now. Log slow pages taking longer than 20 seconds is now enabled I will print this out and put it in the bathroom. That way it WILL be read. I have fortas adv book. Will put that book under the print out. Doug: Great job on pointers again. Thanks for bearing with me. I agree reboot is almost never the answer but sometimes it's a bandaid where a tourniquet is needed and you have nothing. Better something than nothing. Now that I see some of the tools and how they work this may not need rebooting again! Still running clean at the moment. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot you have some really long running requests. As I said before, look in the server log in the cfadmin tool, long running requests are indicated there. Look to the files indicated in these entries as problem spots needing tuning. SeeFusion is a great tool also indicating these things. Also make SURE you have Timeout Requests after (seconds) set to on, its typically best practise to have this set to 30 seconds as a start. Also make SURE you have Log slow running requests longer then __ seconds set to on and set ti to say 20 seconds to start. If this is not set to on, the above log will be useless to you as long running requests will not be logged! Now, go read up on ColdFusion performance topics. This is a great summary blog posting here http://coolskool.blog-city.com/random_collection_of_cfmx_performance_tuning_ resources.htm Especially understand the explanations of request timeouts, simultaneaous threads, and such. Forta's advanced CF book has coverage of this topic also FYI. Your subject line has the word REBOOT in it, hence why we are responding with much about your system. To me this appears to be a ColdFsuin perfomance issue. You are rebooting the server to try and attack this issue, which rarely in my experience will. In most cases, its bad CF code somewhere that causes issues. DK On 7/1/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like it wont let go of some requests. And it pegs out JRUN.exe when that happens - I did KILL's to the Running Requests to keep things from hanging - Using the Counters I found that it takes between 900~2,500,000 ms to process a request. Once the request que is down to 0~1 it only takes 400~2000ms to process and keeps it under control. - Just noticed that AVGW.exe was at 50% and has been active all this time but I didn't think it should ever be that high. Looking into it I found it to be AntiVirusGrisoftWatch file. I'm removing it and rebooting. - SeeFusion 3.3: Server Status Configuration CountersDebug OutputStack Trace SeeFusion Log SeeFusion Server Status Help Server: rcga01ts01 Updated Memory [GC] Uptime Request Averages: Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since Startup Query Averages: Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since Startup Jun 30, 2006 9:59:04 PM 108m/132m 26:33.9 0, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 13 0, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0 8 Running Requests Request Completed FromResponseTotalTime #Queries QryTime Longest (or Active) Query SQL www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_C6.cfm[Stack][KillStop] 193.47.80.89@--ms 1,485,015ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/KEIHIN_MAIN_JET_99101-116_68_P4539C76.cfm[Stack][Kil lStop] 72.30.98.161@--ms 1,428,937ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/AIR_CUT-OFF_VALVE_SET_KAWASAK_P5285.cfm[Stack][KillS top] 72.30.103.147 @--ms 1,417,344ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/VL800_W114.cfm[Stack][KillStop] 72.30.111.147 @--ms 1,383,391ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
CF Tuning sounds like a good topic for a meeting! Pros and cons of different J2EE, and other platforms, Perf settings, etc. Rules, guidelines etc. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot you have some really long running requests. As I said before, look in the server log in the cfadmin tool, long running requests are indicated there. Look to the files indicated in these entries as problem spots needing tuning. SeeFusion is a great tool also indicating these things. Also make SURE you have Timeout Requests after (seconds) set to on, its typically best practise to have this set to 30 seconds as a start. Also make SURE you have Log slow running requests longer then __ seconds set to on and set ti to say 20 seconds to start. If this is not set to on, the above log will be useless to you as long running requests will not be logged! Now, go read up on ColdFusion performance topics. This is a great summary blog posting here http://coolskool.blog-city.com/random_collection_of_cfmx_performance_tuning_ resources.htm Especially understand the explanations of request timeouts, simultaneaous threads, and such. Forta's advanced CF book has coverage of this topic also FYI. Your subject line has the word REBOOT in it, hence why we are responding with much about your system. To me this appears to be a ColdFsuin perfomance issue. You are rebooting the server to try and attack this issue, which rarely in my experience will. In most cases, its bad CF code somewhere that causes issues. DK On 7/1/06, Robert Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like it wont let go of some requests. And it pegs out JRUN.exe when that happens - I did KILL's to the Running Requests to keep things from hanging - Using the Counters I found that it takes between 900~2,500,000 ms to process a request. Once the request que is down to 0~1 it only takes 400~2000ms to process and keeps it under control. - Just noticed that AVGW.exe was at 50% and has been active all this time but I didn't think it should ever be that high. Looking into it I found it to be AntiVirusGrisoftWatch file. I'm removing it and rebooting. - SeeFusion 3.3: Server Status Configuration CountersDebug OutputStack Trace SeeFusion Log SeeFusion Server Status Help Server: rcga01ts01 Updated Memory [GC] Uptime Request Averages: Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since Startup Query Averages: Last SecLast 10 Sec Last 60 Sec Since Startup Jun 30, 2006 9:59:04 PM 108m/132m 26:33.9 0, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 13 0, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0/sec, avg 0ms 0 8 Running Requests Request Completed FromResponseTotalTime #Queries QryTime Longest (or Active) Query SQL www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_C6.cfm[Stack][KillStop] 193.47.80.89@--ms 1,485,015ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/KEIHIN_MAIN_JET_99101-116_68_P4539C76.cfm[Stack][Kil lStop] 72.30.98.161@--ms 1,428,937ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/AIR_CUT-OFF_VALVE_SET_KAWASAK_P5285.cfm[Stack][KillS top] 72.30.103.147 @--ms 1,417,344ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/VL800_W114.cfm[Stack][KillStop] 72.30.111.147 @--ms 1,383,391ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/BRAKE_CALIPER_KIT_SUZUKI_ACS-_P6131C292.cfm[Stack][K illStop] 68.142.249.162 @--ms 1,366,469ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Dellorto_PHM_Carburetor_W19C2.cfm[Stack][KillStop] 68.159.143.14 @--ms 1,349,750ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/sendlink.cfm?Product_ID=2180[Stack][KillStop] 72.30.133.215 @--ms 1,349,734ms -- --ms--ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/MIKUNI_AIR_JET_B42_55_140_P2165C13.cfm[Stack][KillSt op] 72.30.110.93@--ms 93,266ms-- --ms--ms,-- rows Recent Requests Request Completed FromResponseTotalTime #Queries QryTime Longest Query SQL www.motorcyclecarbs.com/index.cfm -01:40.1144.9.8.21 [EMAIL PROTECTED],906ms10,922ms-- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_Carburetors_C8.cfm -01:51.0206.163.236.68 [EMAIL PROTECTED],000ms 4,000ms -- --ms --ms,-- rows www.motorcyclecarbs.com/Mikuni_Carburetors_C8.cfm -01:55.0
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
Is your web server also a domain controller? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:21 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot I have a dual 1GB server with 1GB Ram as our live server using W2K, and MySQL with CF6 Lately we have had to wait a longer and longer duration during reboots to get the CF site working. I just went through a 5 reboot round with the live server trying to get it to host the site. Randomly the WWW Service would hang, or if it would run the CF site would return a JRUN timeout error. Looking at the Event Viewer there were no CF errors and it started properly. The Task Manager Showed 95-100% processor activity and was hung on JRUN.exe that whole time. Finally the 5th reboot took about 10 mins while I was looking around trying to find a pattern to this activity (or inactivity should I say) and suddenly the JRUN.exe let go and the site showed up on a Browser F5 Refresh. You gurus have any idea what gives with this thing? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
So can someone tell me why they make/made Microsoft SBS (Small Business Server, or as I like to call it... SPFS [Single Point of Failure Server]?) Well in response I don't have any of those issues, BUT! I do have a 2k domain with a missing Global catalog which is a mess and we are rolling out a new domain as we speak, but the point is.. This server never was this problematic earlier. At this moment I am moving 12% of data to a new drive to meet the required 15% space for a defrag. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:36 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Ok, first things first... -NEVER use a domain controller as a web server. Specially if it's a production box. Microsoft is very clear about this in their documentation. There are several performance and security issues in running a live site on an AD controller. Even in a development situation this is simply a bad idea. -AD does a lot of work in booting up and shutting down. Hence the delays with that. -If the server is on several networks. Make certain the first network it loads in and sees is the network with the other AD controllers. Go to Network and Dialup Connections - Advance - Advanced Settings - Bindings Make certain the proper network connection is listed first. The server loads this stuff in order from top to down. -Make certain you are time synch. Your AD controllers with NTP. Otherwise, they will get confused in boot up as to the status of the network. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Are you seeing browser warnings on your system event logs? Also is this a multihomed server - does it exist on multiple networks? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot yeah, if its a DC, always takes forever to boot. Robert, is it taking long to boot up or taking long to shutdown? Note a reboot requires both of these actions. I'm guessing its taking along time to shutdown with your description of the CPU load. Could be many things. Load, third-part connections such as databases, or just bad code can cause these things. Check out the logs in the CFAdmin tool. Look in the server one and look for entries with 'request timeout' mentioned. DK On 6/30/06, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your web server also a domain controller? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:21 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot I have a dual 1GB server with 1GB Ram as our live server using W2K, and MySQL with CF6 Lately we have had to wait a longer and longer duration during reboots to get the CF site working. I just went through a 5 reboot round with the live server trying to get it to host the site. Randomly the WWW Service would hang, or if it would run the CF site would return a JRUN timeout error. Looking at the Event Viewer there were no CF errors and it started properly. The Task Manager Showed 95-100% processor activity and was hung on JRUN.exe that whole time. Finally the 5th reboot took about 10 mins while I was looking around trying to find a pattern to this activity (or inactivity should I say) and suddenly the JRUN.exe let go and the site showed up on a Browser F5 Refresh. You gurus have any idea what gives with this thing? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
Missing the global catalog can be very bad. Have one of the other DC's become the global catalog. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:05 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot So can someone tell me why they make/made Microsoft SBS (Small Business Server, or as I like to call it... SPFS [Single Point of Failure Server]?) Well in response I don't have any of those issues, BUT! I do have a 2k domain with a missing Global catalog which is a mess and we are rolling out a new domain as we speak, but the point is.. This server never was this problematic earlier. At this moment I am moving 12% of data to a new drive to meet the required 15% space for a defrag. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:36 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Ok, first things first... -NEVER use a domain controller as a web server. Specially if it's a production box. Microsoft is very clear about this in their documentation. There are several performance and security issues in running a live site on an AD controller. Even in a development situation this is simply a bad idea. -AD does a lot of work in booting up and shutting down. Hence the delays with that. -If the server is on several networks. Make certain the first network it loads in and sees is the network with the other AD controllers. Go to Network and Dialup Connections - Advance - Advanced Settings - Bindings Make certain the proper network connection is listed first. The server loads this stuff in order from top to down. -Make certain you are time synch. Your AD controllers with NTP. Otherwise, they will get confused in boot up as to the status of the network. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Are you seeing browser warnings on your system event logs? Also is this a multihomed server - does it exist on multiple networks? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot yeah, if its a DC, always takes forever to boot. Robert, is it taking long to boot up or taking long to shutdown? Note a reboot requires both of these actions. I'm guessing its taking along time to shutdown with your description of the CPU load. Could be many things. Load, third-part connections such as databases, or just bad code can cause these things. Check out the logs in the CFAdmin tool. Look in the server one and look for entries with 'request timeout' mentioned. DK On 6/30/06, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your web server also a domain controller? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:21 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot I have a dual 1GB server with 1GB Ram as our live server using W2K, and MySQL with CF6 Lately we have had to wait a longer and longer duration during reboots to get the CF site working. I just went through a 5 reboot round with the live server trying to get it to host the site. Randomly the WWW Service would hang, or if it would run the CF site would return a JRUN timeout error. Looking at the Event Viewer there were no CF errors and it started properly. The Task Manager Showed 95-100% processor activity and was hung on JRUN.exe that whole time. Finally the 5th reboot took about 10 mins while I was looking around trying to find a pattern to this activity (or inactivity should I say) and suddenly the JRUN.exe let go and the site showed up on a Browser F5 Refresh. You gurus have any idea what gives with this thing? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
No virus. All legit processes. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot It boots, and shuts down normally, a bit slow but noting offensive. Once it loads GUI, it takes about 2-3 mins to load a browser and resolve the local home page. Then about 10 mins before the CF built page will load instead of erroring out on JRUN. No browser warnings in event viewer. Not multi homed. It does not load any network critical services. It does run Backup Exec, IIS, Terminal Services, Grisoft AV, MySQL, and MSSQL. I do notice that there are a couple questionable processes running and will google them for potential viruses. DLLHOST.exe CTFMON.exe CSRSS.exe LLSSRV.exe LSASS.exe Pvlsvr.exe Swagent.exe Swsoc.exe Swstrtr.exe All other processes make sense to me. I terminaled in to check things out now that it is running and JRUN was 99-100% again for a duration then let go. Im logged in now running 50-98% idle. Hmmm I'm just now noticing that it is showing the 2 procs in the perf window of the task manager where previously it only showed one... Will look at the logs after the AV file check. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Are you seeing browser warnings on your system event logs? Also is this a multihomed server - does it exist on multiple networks? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot yeah, if its a DC, always takes forever to boot. Robert, is it taking long to boot up or taking long to shutdown? Note a reboot requires both of these actions. I'm guessing its taking along time to shutdown with your description of the CPU load. Could be many things. Load, third-part connections such as databases, or just bad code can cause these things. Check out the logs in the CFAdmin tool. Look in the server one and look for entries with 'request timeout' mentioned. DK On 6/30/06, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your web server also a domain controller? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:21 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot I have a dual 1GB server with 1GB Ram as our live server using W2K, and MySQL with CF6 Lately we have had to wait a longer and longer duration during reboots to get the CF site working. I just went through a 5 reboot round with the live server trying to get it to host the site. Randomly the WWW Service would hang, or if it would run the CF site would return a JRUN timeout error. Looking at the Event Viewer there were no CF errors and it started properly. The Task Manager Showed 95-100% processor activity and was hung on JRUN.exe that whole time. Finally the 5th reboot took about 10 mins while I was looking around trying to find a pattern to this activity (or inactivity should I say) and suddenly the JRUN.exe let go and the site showed up on a Browser F5 Refresh. You gurus have any idea what gives with this thing? Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot
Stack Trace: --- http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/stack.htm http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/rcga01ts01%20Jun%2030,%202006%2010% 2017%2020%20PM%20%20SeeFusion.htm After a while the processor calmed down and this is a shot of the status: http://www.motorcyclecarbs.com/remove.me/rcga01ts01%20Jun%2030,%202006%2010% 2019%2059%20PM%20%20SeeFusion.htm --- Nice tool. Wish I could read it but I hope this is enough to read into it as I feel it is up and running stable at the moment today. Again folks the JRUN is hanging more than just a slow reboot of CF Services. John: How do you wrap your database calls? I don't get that. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Load in seefusion and see what's happening. www.seefusion.com Remember to wrap your database calls with seefusion so it can see the db calls. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:58 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot JRUN hogging again. Cant get to any CF run pages. JRUN.exe is using almost 180,000k ram. Is this normal? Averaging 50~75% processor resources. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot No virus. All legit processes. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Robert Reil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot It boots, and shuts down normally, a bit slow but noting offensive. Once it loads GUI, it takes about 2-3 mins to load a browser and resolve the local home page. Then about 10 mins before the CF built page will load instead of erroring out on JRUN. No browser warnings in event viewer. Not multi homed. It does not load any network critical services. It does run Backup Exec, IIS, Terminal Services, Grisoft AV, MySQL, and MSSQL. I do notice that there are a couple questionable processes running and will google them for potential viruses. DLLHOST.exe CTFMON.exe CSRSS.exe LLSSRV.exe LSASS.exe Pvlsvr.exe Swagent.exe Swsoc.exe Swstrtr.exe All other processes make sense to me. I terminaled in to check things out now that it is running and JRUN was 99-100% again for a duration then let go. Im logged in now running 50-98% idle. Hmmm I'm just now noticing that it is showing the 2 procs in the perf window of the task manager where previously it only showed one... Will look at the logs after the AV file check. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot Are you seeing browser warnings on your system event logs? Also is this a multihomed server - does it exist on multiple networks? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:02 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot yeah, if its a DC, always takes forever to boot. Robert, is it taking long to boot up or taking long to shutdown? Note a reboot requires both of these actions. I'm guessing its taking along time to shutdown with your description of the CPU load. Could be many things. Load, third-part connections such as databases, or just bad code can cause these things. Check out the logs in the CFAdmin tool. Look in the server one and look for entries with 'request timeout' mentioned. DK On 6/30/06, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your web server also a domain controller? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:21 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Slow Site Starting on Reboot I have a dual 1GB server with 1GB Ram as our live server using W2K
