RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who offered advice and suggestions related to this topic of doing CF on MAC. I am making plans now to purchase a MacBook Pro and also decided to purchase the lease on the dell gear I have which also included licensed versions of the CS2 web bundle double suite. Adobe will upgrade me to the CS3 Master suite for $1390 under the Windows version then I have to get a platform change on that license which will only cost the price of shipping. During the transition, I still have the Dell notebook to get me by if I get in trouble with the MAC. So that's the plan. Thanks again to all. Dusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ford Sent: 04/13/2008 1:27 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC Being in a stereotypical corporate environment, I have to use a Windows machine at work but I've used nothing but Macs at home for years. There is nothing I can't do on my Mac that I can't do on my Windows PC, though as some have mentioned there are some things in a corporate world that are a little more efficiently geared towards Windows. Here are some of the things I use daily on my Mac for development and work-a-day activities: * Eclipse with Flex Builder, CFEclipse, Adobe's ColdFusion extensions and various other plug-ins. * TextMate (my programmers text editor of choice). BBEdit, TextWrangler (a free editor by the makers of BBEdit), and Smultron are also good. * ColdFusion 8. Since Mac OSX has Apache built-in, I was able to integrate CF with it fairly easily. * Cisco VPN (for connecting to work). I also use Shimo, a fantastic free front-end for Cisco VPN that makes connecting/disconnecting a breeze. * Microsoft Office, in particular Entourage for working with Exchange. * Remote Desktop Connection (Microsoft's RDP client). * Terminal (OSX's command-line). * Safari, Firefox, and Opera for testing. * Aqua Data Studio (I use this versus Microsoft's Enterprise Manager and Oracle's tools) * MySQL (for occasional light-weight projects, otherwise I use SQL Server on our development servers at work) * CSSEdit (a great shareware CSS editor) * Plaxo (a great free service that I have installed on both my Exchange calendars and contacts in sync with my home's Address Book and iCal programs). * X-Mind or Freemind (for the occasional mindmap). * OmniGraffle (similar to Visio, but in my opinion produces nicer looking results). * Snapz Pro X (I mainly use it for making demos). * Yummy FTP (my FTP client of choice, though there are a ton of great FTP clients for OSX). * Adobe Creative Suite. Some of the above is commercial, some shareware, and some freeware. The most expensive items were Microsoft Office, Adobe's Creative Suite, and Aqua Data Studio. Most others are either free or I got through shareware bundles from macheist.com or macupdate.com. Flex Builder 3 licenses are fully cross-platform now, greatly simplifying things there. Hope this helps some. Kevin - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Being in a stereotypical corporate environment, I have to use a Windows machine at work but I've used nothing but Macs at home for years. There is nothing I can't do on my Mac that I can't do on my Windows PC, though as some have mentioned there are some things in a corporate world that are a little more efficiently geared towards Windows. Here are some of the things I use daily on my Mac for development and work-a-day activities: - Eclipse with Flex Builder, CFEclipse, Adobe's ColdFusion extensions and various other plug-ins. - TextMate (my programmers text editor of choice). BBEdit, TextWrangler (a free editor by the makers of BBEdit), and Smultron are also good. - ColdFusion 8. Since Mac OSX has Apache built-in, I was able to integrate CF with it fairly easily. - Cisco VPN (for connecting to work). I also use Shimo, a fantastic free front-end for Cisco VPN that makes connecting/disconnecting a breeze. - Microsoft Office, in particular Entourage for working with Exchange. - Remote Desktop Connection (Microsoft's RDP client). - Terminal (OSX's command-line). - Safari, Firefox, and Opera for testing. - Aqua Data Studio (I use this versus Microsoft's Enterprise Manager and Oracle's tools) - MySQL (for occasional light-weight projects, otherwise I use SQL Server on our development servers at work) - CSSEdit (a great shareware CSS editor) - Plaxo (a great free service that I have installed on both my Exchange calendars and contacts in sync with my home's Address Book and iCal programs). - X-Mind or Freemind (for the occasional mindmap). - OmniGraffle (similar to Visio, but in my opinion produces nicer looking results). - Snapz Pro X (I mainly use it for making demos). - Yummy FTP (my FTP client of choice, though there are a ton of great FTP clients for OSX). - Adobe Creative Suite. Some of the above is commercial, some shareware, and some freeware. The most expensive items were Microsoft Office, Adobe's Creative Suite, and Aqua Data Studio. Most others are either free or I got through shareware bundles from macheist.com or macupdate.com. Flex Builder 3 licenses are fully cross-platform now, greatly simplifying things there. Hope this helps some. Kevin - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Hm. Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops? Looks like the thread has some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My bad. Matrox's Dual Head 2 Go product will work on a MacBook Pro just fine. You need to use the included DVI to VGA adaptor, then plug the Matrox box into that, then plug your monitors into the Matrox box. With their digital (DVI) version, you can even run two Apple 23 displays off it. (Or any pair of DVI monitors with a resolution up to 1920x1200 each.) With the analog version, it can run two monitors of up to 1280x1024 each. (A 17-19 LCD, or a 17 CRT.) _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: ha! a non-mac d00d clearly. been a C64, Amiga, to PC guy. I know the mac desktops do dualies and far more certainly! But I am speaking to the lappies. Sure, a external monitor and the internal one is cool and all, but I'm talking of two equal sized external ones. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269658 thread discussing this...speaks of the HW Howard mentioned . DK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Derrick Peavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMfG! Who wrote this? mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the late 90's without external hardware. _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac? Though I suppose with the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon. On 4/11/08, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty, The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an extensive review. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list,
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
I bought a laptop stand and use my 17 macbook pro with a wireless keyboard and mouse. No complaints here. 17 is plenty big enough for hacking out CF etc. It would be nice to have a 20+ inch widescreen but, honestly who needs dual monitors with a desktop manager? On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the dual monitor support on most non-Apple laptops comes through a docking station. At least that's how I've done it on the last three Windows laptops I've used (Dell, HP, IBM). The docking station had both VGA and DVI and the video chipset would support driving both (although not the built-in screen as well :-( ). In the Mac world Bo0okEndz is the only docking station I know of. They do have both VGA and DVI on their docks but the manual is mum on whether or not you can drive two monitors with it. Honestly I don't miss it at home though. I've got a 20 widescreen Dell 2005FPW and the 17 inch display in the PowerBook (still rockin' the OG PowerPC) and have my PowerBook setup so that it's at roughly the same viewing height when it's on the desk (which isn't really that often). At work (Windows-world) the two monitors are non-widescreen 17 inchers. Howard On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Derrick Peavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops? Looks like the thread has some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My bad. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Steven Ross web application interface developer http://blog.stevensross.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] (404) 592-6885 [ AIM / Yahoo! : zeriumsteven ] [googleTalk : nowhiding ] - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
alt-tab On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Steven Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a laptop stand and use my 17 macbook pro with a wireless keyboard and mouse. No complaints here. 17 is plenty big enough for hacking out CF etc. It would be nice to have a 20+ inch widescreen but, honestly who needs dual monitors with a desktop manager? On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the dual monitor support on most non-Apple laptops comes through a docking station. At least that's how I've done it on the last three Windows laptops I've used (Dell, HP, IBM). The docking station had both VGA and DVI and the video chipset would support driving both (although not the built-in screen as well :-( ). In the Mac world Bo0okEndz is the only docking station I know of. They do have both VGA and DVI on their docks but the manual is mum on whether or not you can drive two monitors with it. Honestly I don't miss it at home though. I've got a 20 widescreen Dell 2005FPW and the 17 inch display in the PowerBook (still rockin' the OG PowerPC) and have my PowerBook setup so that it's at roughly the same viewing height when it's on the desk (which isn't really that often). At work (Windows-world) the two monitors are non-widescreen 17 inchers. Howard On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Derrick Peavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. Ok, I see. Wasn't thinking that way. Yes, the laptops can mirror to any size display, but there is only one video out port, so you would have to split. Isn't that the case with --most-- laptops? Looks like the thread has some good info about how the hardware works and what is does/does not do. My bad. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Steven Ross web application interface developer http://blog.stevensross.com [mobile] 404-488-4364 [fax] (404) 592-6885 [ AIM / Yahoo! : zeriumsteven ] [googleTalk : nowhiding ] - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Darin Kohles RIA Application Developer - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
I've been reading this thread with some amusement. I have used a Mac OS X machine for CF development for a very long time. There's absolutely no reason why you can't use a Mac OS X machine as your primary CF development machine. Your mileage might vary a little, as Howard pointed out, depending on the environment that you are developing for. I've actually had better experiences developing on my Mac OS X machine for Linux deployments than I have had on Windows machines for those same deployments. What will you miss? In my experience, not very much. You will, however pay a price of efficiency while learning your new desktop setup. Aside form that, there's not much of a difference between the two now for development, aside from the fact that my Mac OS X machine asks me for permission to do something about 1/10 the amount of times that Vista does. Robert Occhialini - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC version. I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with little success b/c they're so resource intensive. Just my two cents. ap On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
This a great question, and one I'll be interested in following. I don't have a Mac myself, but after flailing with Vista on my dell laptop my friend got a Mac Book Pro, and watching how quickly and easily it runs definitely makes me jealous. Granted they are just a casual user, so I just keep telling myself, its ok, you can't develop very easily on a Mac (which I know must be a lie). On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Hey I would also be interested to here from anyone else who develops CF on a mac. I'm just curious how many members of this list are doing it. Dusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Powell Sent: 04/11/2008 12:36 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC version. I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with little success b/c they're so resource intensive. Just my two cents. ap On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Dusty: The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac. I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/ firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just my approach). _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink -
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Off the top of my head, I know Howard Fore is using one at home, and then also Josh Adams just got a Mac starting over at Adobe, so that should be a good sign I would think. I know Ben Forta was on Vista, but he may have even been on a Mac at CFunited Europe, although I can't remember for sure. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey I would also be interested to here from anyone else who develops CF on a mac. I'm just curious how many members of this list are doing it. Dusty -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Powell *Sent:* 04/11/2008 12:36 PM *To:* discussion@acfug.org *Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC When you upgrade, I believe you can upgrade to the mac version from PC version. I've heard of people trying to run these apps in VMs, with little success b/c they're so resource intensive. Just my two cents. ap On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserformhttp://www.acfug.org/?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com/ - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Dusty- If you are going to switch to a mac I'd try to run everything on the native mac OS that you can. IIRC, Adobe will allow you to switch your PC based licenses to mac based ones, but there may be a catch or two attached. Seems I remember something about only being able to do that once per license. Currently there is very little that you can't do on a mac, so unless there is a program not available for mac or one which you can't move the license on - I'd try to keep it all running on the mac os if possible. -Cameron On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that today. I'll share the outcome. Dusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC Dusty: The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac. I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just my approach). _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
I've been on Macs since before I worked with Cheyenne, and being able to test between multiple systems and browsers helps highlight bothersome code much faster, and by doing it in more compliant browsers (Safari, FF, even IE7) first then makes the hacks for IE6 more manageable. As far as using both environments, I actually use Parallels right now, testing VMware, to host multiple instances of Windows XP Vista as well as Ubuntu. That way I can open whatever environment I need to test in. I start with a nice clean imaged install and add on top of that. You can use less instances if you are not testing secure sites by using the stand-alone versions of IE. However, if you run say a WinXP vm with IE6 installed, the IE7 standalone can not run over https. That's why you might end up with more instances than ya thought at first. Definitely try out all the Native mac software first though, the integration is much better and things like QuickView in the finder to make sure you're really opening the correct huge file is nice (click on a file, hit spacebar, it shows you contents quickly via the Desktop, Leopard/10.5 only). Textmate and BBedit are great editors when you aren't in Eclipse. You'll want Adium for messaging, Fugu is a free sftp client from the UMich folks. VLC will play any of your video files you want to check out (including wmvs without Flip4Mac for Quicktime). The Adobe license will switch, you may just need to call them up to do it for the cross-grade/upgrade option. There's also some good Dashboard widgets for quick status checks on your servers and remote sites being up. I also usually put full released browser updates in my /Applications folder and any betas in my user/Applications so that I can have multiple versions easily without renaming anything--like when I need FF2 extensions like webdev versus speed and app testing which I can perform in FF3 betas. And of course you can get the CF8 dev edition working on your mac side, so makes local debugging very easy if you aren't connected to push to a stage server (quick overview at http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/27/Running-ColdFusion-8-on-Leopard) **Michael On Apr 11, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: I suppose all the Mac users still test there apps on Windows based machines (since that is what most of the target audience uses)? I would assume I would do this using the VMWare? Is the what the developers that use Mac do? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Singer Sent: 04/11/2008 1:46 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC I'm using iMac at work and MacBook at home. No need for a PC anymore. --Sam Singer On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Derrick Peavy wrote: Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking awesome! In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Python, Perl ready to use out of the box. I believe the basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I might be wrong there. I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too. Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity far outweighs any costs. Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a good text editor anyway. What may throw you however, is that when you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to show on a regular basis, etc., Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac or Windows can touch it. _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that today. I'll share the outcome. Dusty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
I just spoke with Adobe directly and you can switch your license from pc to mac. However, they claim they no longer have CS2 products to distribute so you can only do this if you're already using CS3 products. Dusty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Childress Sent: 04/11/2008 12:56 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC Dusty- If you are going to switch to a mac I'd try to run everything on the native mac OS that you can. IIRC, Adobe will allow you to switch your PC based licenses to mac based ones, but there may be a catch or two attached. Seems I remember something about only being able to do that once per license. Currently there is very little that you can't do on a mac, so unless there is a program not available for mac or one which you can't move the license on - I'd try to keep it all running on the mac os if possible. -Cameron On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink - -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Along these lines, I'll point out that Shannon Hicks has an ongoing series he started last month on the very subject of moving to Mac as a CFer. Check out the dozen or so he's done to this point at: http://www.iotashan.com/blog/index.cfm/Mac /charlie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:09 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC Don't know about the license switch - if you can, that's freaking awesome! In short, I see no draw back to developing on the mac for any language aside from ASP (simply because you can't run and IIS/ASP server on your mac natively). The mac even has Ruby, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Python, Perl ready to use out of the box. I believe the basic OS comes with developer tools as well (X Code), though I might be wrong there. I agree with the comments here and based on experience in helping other switch - run it all on the native OS you are switching too. Makes the most sense and trust me - the gain you get in productivity far outweighs any costs. Some app tips - best text editor hands down is BBEdit. If you actually know the language you are coding in, you probably like a good text editor anyway. What may throw you however, is that when you first launch it it looks like a simple, plain blank document and you wonder, WTF? But the program, like the Mac OS follows a philosophy of getting everything out of your way except for the document. So, it's up to you to decide which palates you want to show on a regular basis, etc., Best FTP - Transmit. Yes, it costs $30 (I think). But nothing on mac or Windows can touch it. _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: Derrick yes that is exactly the kind of information I need. My hope was that I would not have to run all the Adobe software on the Windows OS and it sounds like that is the case but I guess I need to get the Mac version of all the software. So the question might be can I upgrade my CS2 products to Mac Version CS3 products? Andrew's response indicated I might be able to do that so I am going to do more research and/or contact Adobe about that today. I'll share the outcome. Dusty _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derrick Peavy Sent: 04/11/2008 12:44 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC Dusty: The software will NOT install on both. You can run it all under Windows through VMWare, but it sounds like what you will end up doing is running everything on the PC and nothing on the mac. I develop on a mac. I use BBEdit (text editor) for code, safari/firefox for browser testing, and either 1) upload CFM files to stage server (mimic of production server) or 2) Run locally under CF or Blue Dragon. So, where is the need for the PC? (BTW - that's not flame bait, that's just my approach). _ Derrick Peavy Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
Dusty, The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an extensive review. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
You don't have to miss it. Without external hardware you can run an external monitor at the same time as using the onboard LCD (mirrored or not). If you buy a Matrox DualHead2Go you can run two external monitors with the onboard. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac? Though I suppose with the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon. On 4/11/08, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty, The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an extensive review. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
OMfG! Who wrote this? mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the late 90's without external hardware. _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac? Though I suppose with the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon. On 4/11/08, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty, The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an extensive review. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Doing CF development on a MAC
ha! a non-mac d00d clearly. been a C64, Amiga, to PC guy. I know the mac desktops do dualies and far more certainly! But I am speaking to the lappies. Sure, a external monitor and the internal one is cool and all, but I'm talking of two equal sized external ones. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=269658 thread discussing this...speaks of the HW Howard mentioned . DK On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Derrick Peavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMfG! Who wrote this? mac have been doing dual monitors since the early 90's. Since the late 90's without external hardware. _ Derrick Peavy 404-786-5036 Sales and Web Services CollegeClassifieds.com http://www.collegeclassifieds.com A Service of Universal Advertising, inc. ___ On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Douglas Knudsen wrote: Thing I'd miss is dual monitor support. The dell I have has a dock with dual outs for actual dual monitors. Mac? Though I suppose with the dropping LCD prices this maybe moot soon. On 4/11/08, Howard Fore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dusty, The only thing you'll really miss is SQL Server. Everything else that you will use will either have a Mac install or there will be a Mac program that does the same thing. I use Windows for CF development at work and at home I use Macs for my freelance development. I use Eclipse as my IDE so that's the same on both sides. Database work is the only fly in the ointment. I do miss Beyond Compare on the Mac but there are some Mac programs (DeltaWalker and Araxis Merge) that are supposed to as good though I haven't tried an extensive review. Howard On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Dusty Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK this is probably a good question for Dean! I am now highly considering getting a mac to further develop the creative aspects of what I do. I understand that some developers have moved to Mac and use the VMWare to run windows applications. My questions are: If developing on a Mac would I install things like Photoshop and Illustrator on the Mac OS or would I be doing it through the VMWare on Windows. I currently have the Adobe CS2 Web Bundle suite running on my pc under Win XP so I am not even sure yet that the software I have will run on the Mac OS (I have to check on that). I plan to upgrade to the full Adobe Master Collection with all the great new CS3 tools so I wonder if I have to order it for Mac or Windows or if the software package will install on either. I am hoping either :-) ... I am researching now but would appreciate any quick answers if any one has time. Thanks, Dusty - Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by FusionLink http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. - Jeff Atwood - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com - -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? - Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -
