Re: I am interested. +2348162698617 Github: fosajeffRe: Exciting Opportunity: Join Our Django WhatsApp Bulk Messaging Project!

[Raphael Polanco]

I would like to take the opportunity to warn the users against information
sharing with strangers. Check LinkedIn profiles, email dresses, etc...and
never send money!

Best Regards,

R. Polanco

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:20 AM Efosa Jeffrey Okooboh <
okoobohef...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am interested
> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 4:47:39 PM UTC+1 july quintero wrote:
>
>> Hello, I would like to be part of this work team and thus strengthen my
>> knowledge with this great team of enthusiastic people with a lot of
>> experience in this field of web development. Thank you very much for your
>> attention and I will be waiting for a response.
>>
>>
>> El dom, 18 feb 2024 a la(s) 11:48 a.m., SURAJ TIWARI (suraj1...@gmail.com)
>> escribió:
>>
>>>  Join Our Django WhatsApp Bulk Messaging Project!
>>>
>>>  Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Are you looking for an exciting opportunity to gain hands-on experience
>>> in Django development? Do you want to work on a meaningful project that
>>> leverages WhatsApp for bulk messaging? We're thrilled to invite you to join
>>> our dynamic team!
>>>
>>>  Benefits:
>>>
>>>- Get hands-on experience working on a real-world Django project.
>>>- Learn how to leverage WhatsApp for bulk messaging, a valuable
>>>skill in today's digital landscape.
>>>- Opportunities for hybrid work, allowing flexibility in your
>>>schedule.
>>>- Collaborate with experienced developers and gain valuable
>>>mentorship.
>>>- Access to cutting-edge tools and technologies.
>>>
>>>  Opportunities Available:
>>>
>>>- Django developers
>>>- Frontend developers
>>>- UI/UX designers
>>>- Quality assurance testers
>>>
>>> 欄 How to Join: Simply reply to this message expressing your interest,
>>> and we'll provide you with all the necessary details to get started on our
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Let's work together to create something amazing and gain valuable
>>> experience along the way! ✨
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Suraj Tiwari
>>>
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Re: My first project

[kpogomou Raphael]

Un très bon design...Coté focntionalité j'ai pas trop exploré mais je
trouve waouh .
Félicitation


Le sam. 16 déc. 2023 à 20:44, Om Khade  a écrit :

> Hi Daniel,
>
> Nice app. I think you also need to show security questions after we click
> on forget password.
>
> I have attached screenshot for your reference.
>
> Thank you
> Om khade
>
> On Sat, 16 Dec, 2023, 11:39 Daniel Martinez,  wrote:
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>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm Daniel, a recent college graduate as of July 2023. Since then, I've
>> been actively seeking job opportunities as a Django developer. During my
>> job search, I took the initiative to start my first project in Django. I'm
>> excited to share with you my debut as a full-stack developer: a telehealth
>> app that leverages AI to predict diseases.
>>
>> The app https://telehealthconnex.com is designed to enhance healthcare
>> delivery by integrating advanced AI algorithms. I would greatly appreciate
>> any feedback or suggestions you might have!
>>
>> Thank you for your support!
>>
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Re: Looking to help recruiters and job candidates

[Raphael Polanco]

Hello, Django-Users.

Just a reminder that disclosing personal information can expose you to
real-world risks. Divulging even small amounts of personal information in
an unsecured forum may render you vulnerable to identity theft,
financial attacks, and even online grooming if you share it with
individuals that may harbor malicious intentions.

Thank you.

R. Polanco
@raphaelpolanco
#zerotrust


On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 2:48 PM Andrew Wang  wrote:

> Hey Djangonaughts! I'm looking to build a tool for recruiters to get
> candidates interviews faster by streamlining recruiters' processes. Would
> greatly appreciate any connects. Also, if you're looking for a software
> engineering role (with at least 1 prior company experience for validation),
> would also love to chat.
>
> acwangpyt...@gmail.com
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Re: it is very hard to find both email and phone number as username to login

[Raphael Polanco]

The username would be both a security risk and too damn long.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 9:20 AM Adeyemi Deji  wrote:

> Y do u need both?
>
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023, 15:13 Manobhav Joshi,  wrote:
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>> is there any way to use both email and phone number as username to login
>> safely which we can use authenticate() function.
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Re: Re:

[Raphael Polanco]

Abdulfarid, please include me: 917-304-3414.

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 12:59 PM Phantom Witch 
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> Hi, add me too. My number is +923237620106
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 9:34 PM Zziwa Abdurahman <
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>> +25675404234
>>
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>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, 4:02 PM Bhuvnesh Sharma 
>> wrote:
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>>> Send the link here so that others can join too.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, 6:29 PM Makrand  wrote:
>>>
 Any cloud related work ask me

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 On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 3:53 PM Abdulfarid Olakunle <
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 Hello fellow developers, I will be creating a WhatsApp group chat later
 in the day, So I will like my fellow Python Django Developers to join the
 group. It will be much easier to discuss there and I will sacrifice myself
 out for anyone who need my service.

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 Enjoy your day
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Re: Looking for support in optimizing mobile www... tips or someone would like to do that for $ ?

[Raphael Jonard]

Hello that's my speciality. I'm working as "Web Performances Accelerator"
especially on Django.
You can send me the url of your app in order that I execute a test/audit on
it.

Best regards, I'm looking forward to help you 

Le mar. 20 sept. 2022, 15:56, DJANGO DEVELOPER  a
écrit :

> Can you please tell me that how many users do you have in your app? What
> is the current performance of your app and what is the expected performance
> in your mind?
>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022, 6:38 pm Krzysztof Krawczyk, <
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Re: Please remove me from this user group.

[Raphael Polanco]

Farewell.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 22:16 Shirley Nelson  wrote:

> Please remove me from this user group. Thank you.
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Re: Job opportunity - San Diego

[Raphael Polanco]

Hello, Django-users.

Please reconsider posting resumes on public lists.

Regards,

@RaphaelPolanco

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 16:21 vishal sharma  wrote:

> I am interested in the position.
>
> Please find attached my resume.
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 5:11 AM Leah Blalock 
> wrote:
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>> This small and mighty start-up company in San Diego is seeking a senior
>> software engineer. The company's passion and mission is connecting Seniors
>> with their family and friends through innovative, easy to use technology.
>> Now is a time of rapid growth of the company, and this key role will be to
>> continue to advance the product. Currently the position is remote, but
>> seeking a candidate local (or within commute distance) to San Diego for
>> in-person meetings as needed when it is safe to do so.
>>
>> *DESCRIPTION:*
>>
>> You will be developing code that is improving and enriching the lives of
>> seniors and making a difference in the world. By joining the team, you
>> become part of a community of incredibly talented and dedicated people
>> fueled by passion for what they do.
>>
>> You must be interested in the design and *development of web, mobile,
>> and set-top box based applications*. Among our interests are: experience
>> in Android, Java, and their related IDEs (Android Studio, Eclipse, IntelliJ
>> IDEA) as well as familiarity with the integration of network services.
>> Experience with HTML, CSS, and Front End Javascript Frameworks (Vue,
>> Angular, and Backbone) as well as web application programming in a
>> *Django/Python* environment. Experience with SQL and relational
>> databases, strong documentation skills, knowledge of object oriented
>> programming concepts, and the ability to work independently and handle
>> multiple concurrent projects. Candidates should have a desire to be
>> challenged and to have their efforts rewarded as the company grows.
>>
>> *QUALIFICATIONS:*
>>
>>- 4+ years of professional experience.
>>- Bachelor’s degree or equivalent experience desired.
>>- Very strong JavaScript experience. A good understanding of the
>>power and limitations of JS and integrations with other technologies.
>>- Proven working experience with VueJS, Angular, Backbone, or other
>>JavaScript frameworks.
>>- Proven working experience with Python.
>>- Experience with Django or Flask
>>- Experience developing RESTful Web Services
>>- Experience with mobile apps. Hybrid mobile apps like Cordova, a
>>plus.
>>- Experience in Android development and/or Java, a plus.
>>- Experience with Databases design (SQL and/or ORM).
>>- Experience with deploying code using Git and/or using CI tools such
>>as Jenkins.
>>- Experience with cloud services, such as AWS or Google Cloud.
>>- Comfortable working in a Linux environment.
>>- Understanding of object-oriented programming concepts, algorithms,
>>and data structures.
>>- Ability to utilize best practices in writing scalable and well
>>documented code.
>>- Highly motivated and proactive.
>>- Possesses strong problem solving and analytical skills.
>>- Ability to work effectively in a fast paced environment with high
>>adaptability and flexibility.
>>- Ability to communicate effectively with both technical and
>>non-technical people.
>>
>> The Recruiting Spa has been exclusively engaged to fill this search. This
>> is a direct-hire position with benefits and stock options.
>>
>>
>> Send resume and inquiries to Leah Blalock - lblal...@therecruitingspa.com
>>
>>
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Re: Job related query

[Raphael Polanco]

Dear Group Members.

Leaving personnel information on public forums is a security risk. Perhaps
it's best to share directly with the interested party,

Regards,

R. Polanco



On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 10:32 PM neha bhurke  wrote:

> If your are from mumbai location just mail me your resume
> *Regard,*
> *Neha Bhurke*
>
>
>
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>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:16 PM mubashar ilyas 
> wrote:
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>> how to apply for this job?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 10:02 AM neha bhurke 
>> wrote:
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>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> We are looking for a python Django web app developer should have the
>>> total knowledge about python Django and should be experienced person at
>>> least for 2-3 years..
>>> If anyone  interested …
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Re: Ransomeware

[Raphael Polanco]

Hey, Musatafa.

Can you give more details on this project of yours?

R.. Polanco

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Gabriel Araya Garcia <
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> You are an unethical person if you are thinking of doing that
> the world is more rotten with people like you.
>
> Gabriel Araya Garcia
> GMI - Desarrollo de Sistemas Informáticos
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>
>
>
> El sáb., 5 sept. 2020 a las 13:33, Mustafa Mahmoud (<
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>> Who know how Much Ransomeware sell it I can make it and i will sell it
>> enyone know I can sell it and how much
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 6:50 PM Yogendra Yadav 
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>>> Please suggest open source projects to learn subject combination
>>>
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Re: Django i18n design rationale

[Raphael Michel]

Hi,

Am Fri, 1 Jan 2016 15:29:16 -0800 (PST)
schrieb Jure Erznožnik <jure.erznoz...@gmail.com>:
> 1. Expressions gathering vs declaring: Django has utilities to gather 
> expressions from sources, txt files and also javascript files. While
> that by itself is a design choice, it also presents us with problems
> such as (possibly very) long expression keys, random .po file layout,
> etc. Are there any serious advantages that favor this approach vs
> declarative one?
> 
> 2. What's the point of .po / .mo files? Their structure is not really
> far from standard Python code, so why all the work with compilation?

I wasn't around Django at that time, but to mee it seems pretty
clear that those two aren't explicit design decisions made by Django but
instead Django just decided to use gettext[1], the de-facto standard for
internationalization in the Unix world instead of implementing an own
system and both the gathering and the .mo files are old design
decisions of gettext.

Cheers
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Best practice for two variants of a language

[Raphael Michel]

Hello,

I develop an open source web application in Django that is available in
multiple languages, translated using Django's gettext features. However,
in my native language German (and many others, too), there are strong
differences between formal and informal style (in German there is even
a formal and an informal word for "you").

Some of my users need to use formal language and others need to use
informal language and both have good reasons for that. So my question
is: Is there a best practice on how to implement this?

Contextual markers[1] are not an option, because you'd have to scatter
the decision all over the code base, so you need to have different
translation files for the different styles.

I could use different gettext domains, but this would be pretty
non-standard as Django normally uses only the "django" and "djangojs"
domains. 

I could also abuse language code by using "de-formal" and "de-informal"
instead of "de", but this would break Django's own translations (e.g.
of validation error messages).

Has anyone solved this problem in an elegant way before?

Cheers,
Raphael


[1]
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/translation/#contextual-markers

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Re: Django multiple application with common users

[Raphael Michel]

Hi,

Am Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb Domagoj Kovač <doctorko...@gmail.com>:
> I would like to have separate databases for every application
> including user management.

I can think of:

(a) You put all the application in the same database and share a user
model (look up 'reusable django apps')

(b) You let all applications have their own database but share one
common user database (look up 'django multiple databases')

(c) You set up the apps completely separated and use an external,
independent authentication provider (look up 'django ldap', 'django
openid', …)

For 'small home apps', I'd absolutely go for (a).

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Re: Django structure

[Raphael Michel]

Hi,

I'll leave it to others to give recommendations on how you SHOULD
organizer your project. However, I can help you with the technical
question.

Am Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb Gabriel Klein <gabriel.klein...@gmail.com>:
> My question is how to shared models across apps? 

You can use models across apps without any problems, just as you would
inside the same app:

from otherapp.models import MyModel

Raphael

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Re: Getting error 500 when using jquery/ajax

[Raphael]

@ Dex,

So you want to store the actual game state in the db to recover
game-session-data after a period of time
and/or to perform game logic on the server side.

well I am sure you already know it, but there are approaches to handle
array fields within the django ORM. 
example: http://www.djangopackages.com/grids/g/arrayfield/landscape/
or: https://github.com/ecometrica/django-dbarray

but I have never tried one of them. 
could be of interest one day!

I am interested in your final solution. Maybe you can send me an email
once you decided a way to go.

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Re: Getting error 500 when using jquery/ajax

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game.creator_target_board[int(spot)] = "X"


Exception Type: TypeError at /target_spot/1/0/
Exception Value: 'unicode' object does not support item assignment

So your trouble is that game.creator_target_board[int(spot)] is an immutable 
str object.
so you have to rethink your strategy.

create new str object or handle it completely different.


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Re: Getting error 500 when using jquery/ajax

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Hello Dex,

forget my story about Chrome/Chromium issue if you have been testing
with FF.
This was a first shot into the dark. sorry.

Concerning your error message:
'unicode' object does not support item assignment

This error pops up when you try to alter immutable string objects.

Please check your code if you do so and tell us.
+add traceback and view code.

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Re: Getting error 500 when using jquery/ajax

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hello Dex,

you did not tell us what browser you are testing your AJAX request on.
Maybe you experience this Chrome behavior:
http://develissimo.com/blog/2013/ajax-not-working-chrome-ie8/

Good luck
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Re: Happy new year

[Raphael]

Happy New Year from Austria to all of you! You are awesome guys and
girls!


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Re: Handling millions of rows + large bulk processing (now 700+ mil rows)

[Raphael]

Hello Derek,

they (doodle) do not mention which time scheme they use. But I guess its
UTC. 
In the upper right corner of the doodle poll your location gets targeted
via Geo IP - you can change this preselection manually.


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> On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 23:41 -0700, Derek wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Finding a developer

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Hello Bob,

I think its easier to find a RR developer than a django developer
(definitely in my region / and I think this is international)
In terms of costs both should be quite similar - Experience will set the
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On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 13:35 -0700, Bob Carlson wrote:
> I have been planning to implement my backend server in Django/Python
> but I am still in the early phases. I thought I ought to look into
> Ruby on Rails as well. The technical articles comparing them come out
> pretty even. It appears that there is perhaps three times as much RR
> activity out there as Django/Python. I am doing prototype work myself
> right now, but I will need professional help eventually. That led me
> to my question.
> 
>  
> 
> Is it easier to find a Django developer or a Rails developer? Despite
> there being more activity around Rails, the availability of developers
> may not follow. Also, is there any difference in cost?
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers, Bob
> 
>  
> 
> Bob Carlson | +1 719 571 9228 (office)  | +1 541 521 9525 (mobile)
> 
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Re: Working Django forums code for integration?

[Raphael]

we do work with DjangoBB http://djangobb.org/ and it performce well.
You can see the forum at: http://develissimo.com/forum/

Bug talk: http://support.djangobb.org/

It is quite bug-free.

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On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 22:05 -0700, brycenesbitt wrote:

> I've had the same problem.
> 
> AskBot : not a real forum, and a lot of dependencies.
> 
> PyBBM: install instructions incomplete, no community to speak of,
> buggy.  I had problems with csrf, and could not get any help.
> Cnprog: dead
> PyBB: dead
> DjangoBB: website reads "Documentation will be soon..."
> 
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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

LAST CALL 2 contribution.

Hello djangos - once again:

one last call to contribute. After this message almost enough people
should have been notified about our try to collect worldwide django
development project
data to being able to publish useful statistics.

We even are going to create statistics with the rare data we already
have collected + Try to get some comparison to other well known
development territories
such as Java, Java-Spring, Web-Engineering, Programming, SAP, C#,
Server Administration... (open source and proprietary fields).

Thanks again to those willing to contribute.
We already got some good feedback - and there are people out there
looking positively into the future with the confidence that such
statistics and 
comparisons will boost the average income/hourly rates.

Contribution link: http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Cheers,
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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

Now after some days, I have the feeling that we are not able to collect
enough data to really get useful stats.
Google tools or ServeyMonkey ok why not.

On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 15:08 -0300, George Silva wrote:

> This is interesting but I think the media for the poll is a little
> off.
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe we could use Google tools to collect data? Or SurveyMonkey?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> In the mean while it would be useful if you could provide more
> data :-)
> The more project data we get, the more significant the end
> result will be.
> This should be a task - no more than five minutes to you guys.
> 
> so thanks to everyone who is contributing:
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/
> 
> Kind regards,
> Raphael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 17:50 +0200, Derek wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I may have missed some key apect of this discussion, but
> > isn't djangosite a tool fo show-casing websites; not a
> > financial-statistics-gathering website?  Is it not better to
> > have one dedicated to this purpose; or perhaps extend
> > http://www.djangojobs.org/ as this as least deals with
> > employment-related issues?
> > 
> > 
> > On 7 May 2012 17:19, Daniel Sokolowski
> > <daniel.sokolow...@klinsight.com> wrote:
> > 
> > That’ is a great idea! 
> >   
> > Dear djangosite Team 
> >   
> > Would you please consider gathering basic
> > costs/hours spent during submission that could be
> > used to generate world wide statics? Please see
> > below or see
> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-users/-/mA8tMUzy8FUJ 
> for full discussion. 
> >   
> > Thank you. 
> >   
> > From: Caio Oliveira 
> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:30 AM 
> > To: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates -
> > Hourly Income - location and project duration
> > specific 
> >   
> > Nice work! Wouldn't be nice to do an automatic
> >     statistic generation? Like a website with a form,
> > that anyone could just input the data and it'd
> > automatically update the statistics.
> > 
> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de abril de 2012 10h31min56s
> > UTC-3, Raphael escreveu: 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello djangos, 
> > 
> > I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a
> > good idea to update the django developer
> > rates for 2012.
> > 
> > So we are going to do some worldwide
> > statistics on the average hourly rates on
> > django related projects in consideration of
> > project specific parameters. (details below)
> > As we think this is going to boost
> > developers income worldwide. Know what you
> > are worth! 
> > 
> > But before we do those statistics - we need
> > you to provide some project data under the
> > following URL:
> > 
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943
> > 
> > Contributors - please declare the following
> > information: 
> >   * project - location/country (Great
> > Britain, USA, China, ...) 
> > project - beginning year
> > (2010, ...) 
> > project - duration (1 month, 3
> > months, 12 months, ...) 
> >

Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

In the mean while it would be useful if you could provide more data :-)
The more project data we get, the more significant the end result will
be.
This should be a task - no more than five minutes to you guys.

so thanks to everyone who is contributing:
http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Kind regards,
Raphael


On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 17:50 +0200, Derek wrote:

> 
> I may have missed some key apect of this discussion, but isn't
> djangosite a tool fo show-casing websites; not a
> financial-statistics-gathering website?  Is it not better to have one
> dedicated to this purpose; or perhaps extend
> http://www.djangojobs.org/ as this as least deals with
> employment-related issues?
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 May 2012 17:19, Daniel Sokolowski
> <daniel.sokolow...@klinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> That’ is a great idea!
>  
> Dear djangosite Team
>  
> Would you please consider gathering basic costs/hours spent
> during submission that could be used to generate world wide
> statics? Please see below or see
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-users/-/mA8tMUzy8FUJ
> for full discussion. 
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> From: Caio Oliveira 
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly
> Income - location and project duration specific
>  
> Nice work! Wouldn't be nice to do an automatic statistic
> generation? Like a website with a form, that anyone could just
> input the data and it'd automatically update the statistics.
> 
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de abril de 2012 10h31min56s UTC-3,
> Raphael escreveu: 
> 
> 
> Hello djangos, 
> 
> I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a good idea
> to update the django developer rates for 2012.
> 
> So we are going to do some worldwide statistics on the
> average hourly rates on django related projects in
> consideration of project specific parameters. (details
> below)
> As we think this is going to boost developers income
> worldwide. Know what you are worth! 
> 
> But before we do those statistics - we need you to
> provide some project data under the following URL:
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943
> 
> Contributors - please declare the following
> information: 
>   * project - location/country (Great Britain,
> USA, China, ...) 
> project - beginning year (2010, ...) 
> project - duration (1 month, 3 months, 12
> months, ...) 
> project- description - short/one line
> (Examples: eCommerce, Forum, Parcel-API,
> Music-Store, Search Results Page, ERP,
> Real-Estate,...) 
> project- team-size (Examples: One person,
> Group of 2, 3, 4... ) 
> agent/middleman Is there an agent/middleman
> between you (the developer) and the client
> YES|NO 
> agent-margin If middleman - what do you think
> is his margin? (Examples: 15%, 25%, ...) 
> $ Hourly Rate - in US-Dollar (we are located
> in Europe - but lets do this in USD please) 
> Additional Information - please feel free to
> provide additional information 
> 
> If your project was/is payed via a total system cost,
> please calculate the hourly rate. Thank you. 
> 
> As soon as there is enough information provided we
> will publish the data with neat statistics, graphics
> and analysis in the blog section under the following
> URL Blog - Here you will find the results page in some
> days/weeks 
> [develissimo.com] - so hopefully a lot of django and
> web-developers out there will be able to advance in
> prices. 
> Such information has helped developers in the past

Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

In German language there is a platform called GULP http://www.gulp.de/
which is doing such data analysis on freelance projects.
i am not aware of any similar English one, but i am pretty sure they
exist.

If not, than an open source version could be an interesting project.

On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 11:37 -0300, Caio Oliveira wrote:

> I know that, thats why it would be an interesting project involving
> data analysis. And I'm sure that, if you manage to do it as an open
> source, it'd have a lot of interested people from data mining fields
> ready to join the project, as many of them use Python and it's
> libraries.
> 
> 
> 2012/5/6 Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com>
> 
> Hello Caio,
> 
> yes this could be nice, but in the end the statistics are in
> the need of a more powerful interpretion than simple math
> could do it.
> 
> Contribution-Link: http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/
> 
> regards,
> Raphael
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 06:30 -0700, Caio Oliveira wrote:
> 
> > Nice work! Wouldn't be nice to do an automatic statistic
> > generation? Like a website with a form, that anyone could
> > just input the data and it'd automatically update the
> > statistics.
> > 
> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de abril de 2012 10h31min56s UTC-3,
> > Raphael escreveu:
> > 
> > 
> > Hello djangos, 
> > 
> > I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a good
> > idea to update the django developer rates for 2012.
> > 
> > So we are going to do some worldwide statistics on
> > the average hourly rates on django related projects
> > in consideration of project specific parameters.
> > (details below)
> > As we think this is going to boost developers income
> > worldwide. Know what you are worth! 
> > 
> > But before we do those statistics - we need you to
> > provide some project data under the following URL:
> > 
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943
> > 
> > Contributors - please declare the following
> > information: 
> >   * project - location/country (Great Britain,
> > USA, China, ...) 
> > project - beginning year (2010, ...) 
> > project - duration (1 month, 3 months, 12
> > months, ...) 
> > project- description - short/one line
> > (Examples: eCommerce, Forum, Parcel-API,
> > Music-Store, Search Results Page, ERP,
> > Real-Estate,...) 
> > project- team-size (Examples: One person,
> > Group of 2, 3, 4... ) 
> > agent/middleman Is there an agent/middleman
> > between you (the developer) and the client
> > YES|NO 
> > agent-margin If middleman - what do you
> > think is his margin? (Examples: 15%,
> > 25%, ...) 
> > $ Hourly Rate - in US-Dollar (we are located
> > in Europe - but lets do this in USD please) 
> > Additional Information - please feel free to
> > provide additional information 
> > 
> > If your project was/is payed via a total system
> > cost, please calculate the hourly rate. Thank you. 
> > 
> > As soon as there is enough information provided we
> > will publish the data with neat statistics, graphics
> > and analysis in the blog section under the following
> > URL Blog - Here you will find the results page in
> > some days/weeks 
> > [develissimo.com] - so hopefully a lot of django and
> > web-developers out there will be able to advance in
> > prices. 
> > Such information has helped developers in the past
> > to know what they ar

Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

Hello Caio,

yes this could be nice, but in the end the statistics are in the need of
a more powerful interpretion than simple math could do it.

Contribution-Link: http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

regards,
Raphael

On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 06:30 -0700, Caio Oliveira wrote:

> Nice work! Wouldn't be nice to do an automatic statistic generation?
> Like a website with a form, that anyone could just input the data and
> it'd automatically update the statistics.
> 
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de abril de 2012 10h31min56s UTC-3, Raphael
> escreveu:
> 
> 
> Hello djangos, 
> 
> I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a good idea to
> update the django developer rates for 2012.
> 
> So we are going to do some worldwide statistics on the average
> hourly rates on django related projects in consideration of
> project specific parameters. (details below)
> As we think this is going to boost developers income
> worldwide. Know what you are worth! 
> 
> But before we do those statistics - we need you to provide
> some project data under the following URL:
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943
> 
> Contributors - please declare the following information: 
>   * project - location/country (Great Britain, USA,
> China, ...) 
> project - beginning year (2010, ...) 
> project - duration (1 month, 3 months, 12
> months, ...) 
> project- description - short/one line (Examples:
> eCommerce, Forum, Parcel-API, Music-Store, Search
> Results Page, ERP, Real-Estate,...) 
> project- team-size (Examples: One person, Group of 2,
> 3, 4... ) 
> agent/middleman Is there an agent/middleman between
> you (the developer) and the client YES|NO 
> agent-margin If middleman - what do you think is his
> margin? (Examples: 15%, 25%, ...) 
> $ Hourly Rate - in US-Dollar (we are located in Europe
> - but lets do this in USD please) 
> Additional Information - please feel free to provide
> additional information 
> 
> If your project was/is payed via a total system cost, please
> calculate the hourly rate. Thank you. 
> 
> As soon as there is enough information provided we will
> publish the data with neat statistics, graphics and analysis
> in the blog section under the following URL Blog - Here you
> will find the results page in some days/weeks 
> [develissimo.com] - so hopefully a lot of django and
> web-developers out there will be able to advance in prices. 
> Such information has helped developers in the past to know
> what they are worth - those statistics have to get updated
> from time to time and definitely will help our professional
> guild in the future as well. 
> 
> Thank you for participating! 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Raphael
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

But don't forget => do not do your job too professional, keep in mind
there should be some work left in the future ;-)
Just kidding...

I think another source of low developer-income (and there are multiples
reasons) lies a bit in another way. Non IT people often do not know -
that its quite a lot of work and time to create something software
related.
Such people, sometimes Non-Tech business-managers, do know
white-hat/black-hat hackers from "Bruce Willis movies" only, where they
create something stunning or hack the whole planet withing minutes. 
While this is awesome to watch in a movie, this misbelief really turns
down payed project hours worldwide.
There even exist IT-guys (non programmers) who are far not able to
estimate the developing time of software-solutions and calculate far not
enough time for their wishes.

I am not afraid of unprofessionals or newbie programmers - if the hours
to fix the problem are payed accordingly. 
Much more I go with Marcin and extend his saying: "TOO MANY creative
professionals (artists, programmers, developers, SW- architects,...)
sell themselves short, and so drive down the going rate for all of us."

Its a fact that the hourly rates on IT services must rise - compared to
education and expenditure of time. Lets fight for it.

http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/
Thanks for participating

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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

I already like the discussion and I think over time we really will be
able to grab some useful data.
@ Kurtis
"As for the $2800/month being a great starting wage for a web developer
-- I sure hope they don't have kids :)"

Well Kurtis, 
now we are at the region specific details.

2800$/month in the US is as you say, if you have kids not the best
starting point.
2800$/month in Europe/Austria, which is about 2100€/mo is not that bad
even with kids, because AFTER tax means, that 
you do not have to pay further bills on things such as health insurance
coverage,... because this is already included in the taxes by duty.
Not so in the USA - as far as i know, the social insurance in the US is
keeping a big part of the decision what to pay and how much in private
hands, with the known
advantages and disadvantages of that kind of system.

So 2800$/month (after tax) in Europe/Austria is a good start for a
web-engineer.
while 2800$/month (after tax) in the US is not a great deal, because
people in the US have to pay health insurance, school fees etc... extra,
those things are already included in taxes in most European countries
and compared to the US kind of "free".

We give our best to respect all those little region specific differences
in the end summary of the "hourly rates - report".
http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Kind regards,
Raphael


On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 15:30 -0400, Kurtis Mullins wrote:

> Another variable in the equation is that independent developers do not
> have a guaranteed job every day. You have to compensate for that
> difference. So, for example, if I were to take on a project that might
> last two weeks -- I need to make up that other two weeks unless I have
> another job waiting on me. On the other hand, if someone offers me a
> 6-month contract -- then I'm happy taking a bit less because I know
> the money will be coming in for the duration. Regardless, I know what
> I need to make each month to survive and try to charge accordingly. I
> imagine others might follow the same approach.
> 
> 
> 
> As for the $2800/month being a great starting wage for a web developer
> -- I sure hope they don't have kids :)
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Sokolowski
> <daniel.sokolow...@klinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> >>A plumber is mostly manual labour which will take a toll on
> the body over the years.
> 
> >>I've seen quite a few people making these comparisons to
> manual labour jobs and, in my opinion, they are completely
> irrelevant.
> 
> >>A plumber also has travel costs, fuel, cost in lost time
> travelling, covering free quotations etc.
>  
> They are absolutely relevant, an expert spends time and money
> to improve his or her skills – continually -- be it a plumber
> or a programmer it's no difference if it’s manual or mental
> labour. I don’t know if you are attempting to prove a point
> against good rates for django developers or simply stating
> your opinion; I will assume the latter.
>  
>  
> From: Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:26 AM
> To: django-users@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly
> Income - location and project duration specific
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Daniel Sokolowski
> <elg...@danols.com> wrote:
> 
> Did the math here and that works out to about
> $2700/month. I would say that would be the bare
> minimum considering my NOT lavish life style - family,
> house, car etc.
>  
> It completely depends on the cost of living in your
> country/area/circumstances. 
>  
> Perhaps sweet spot was the wrong choice of words, as I meant
> for it to mean "typical minimum" take home salary every month.
>  
> Furthermore these 'charlatans' driving the price up is
> a GREAT thing because talent and skill is not cheap  -
> these people know what they are worth and charge
> accordingly - sure some are better sales people then
> programmers.
>  
> 
> Time and time again I am reminded that anyone can call
> themselves a web designer - but only a few can do what
> we can - that I am a web engineer.
> 
> Django strengths lies in customization and ability t

Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

I agree very much with Daniel.
And Cal is right £1700/month (which is approximately ~2100EUR and
~2750USD) really is a good starting goal for a (web) developer (AFTER
tax!!!).
The problem is a lot of us (developers) - we are very poor business
economics. And why? Well this is simple:
we spend our day-time and night-time MO-FR and weekend SA-SU (even
holiday) with IT-subjects,
new programming techniques, operating systems, new high tech trends
etc... 
Don't get me wrong, this is really good. There is only missing one
single point - we should investigate a minimum of our time in business
economics and stop underselling ourselves.

This should be at least a 4hours talk on every single Tech-University or
Engineering-School before the final exams. A lot of highly qualified
engineers graduate from Tech-Schools and Universities worldwide with no
idea
how much the hourly rate is in their business sector. And this is what
really brings wages down. I don't want to be them experts, just to know
a minimum would be sufficient. I remember myself, its not far back in
time, I had no idea... ;-)

Thanks for participating
http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Raphael



On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 09:47 -0400, Daniel Sokolowski wrote:

> Did the math here and that works out to about $2700/month. I would say
> that would be the bare minimum considering my NOT lavish life style -
> family, house, car etc. Furthermore these 'charlatans' driving the
> price up is a GREAT thing because talent and skill is not cheap  -
> these people know what they are worth and charge accordingly - sure
> some are better sales people then programmers.
> 
> Time and time again I am reminded that anyone can call themselves a
> web designer - but only a few can do what we can - that I am a web
> engineer.
> 
> Django strengths lies in customization and ability to deliver exactly
> when the client wants while saving us some a small amount of time on
> the basics, it's easy to put up a pretty $15 dollar template based
> static site - damn I had clients thinking they were good web designer
> and just wanted hosting - but not everyone can deliver exactly what is
> required, that does not use a purchased rigid piece of code out there,
> or code something innovative from scratch to solve a need.
> 
> I'll repeat not everyone can do what we can do so charge accordingly,
> be proud, confident and call your self a web engineer. If you talk
> big, appear big, deliver big you will attract those big projects - of
> course if people Google you or your business you better be on first
> page to justify that.
> 
> The company I work for as an employee charges $65/hour - after all
> expenses, down time, employee wages, not billable tasks the profit
> margins are not that great I recon - I would guess target being
> business making $20 an hour I doubt that happens often though. 
> 
> Final food for thought - a plumber service here starts at $60-100 /
> hour.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Sokolowski
> Web Engineer
> Danols Web Engineering
> http://webdesign.danols.com/
> Office: 613-817-6833
> Fax: 613-817-4553
> Toll Free: 1-855-5DANOLS 
> Kingston, ON K7L 1H3, Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/05/2012 06:31, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote: 
> 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Just my two cents worth on this (albeit slightly off topic) - it's
> > not all about technical ability or the industry you are working in.
> > 
> > 
> > Most clients are willing to pay that extra premium for contractors
> > who are able to manage expectations and go above and beyond.
> > 
> > 
> > I've seen many great developers with amazing skills go unnoticed,
> > primarily because they don't know how to handle clients, clear and
> > concise communication plays a huge part in pricing.
> > 
> > 
> > The other problem is that the market is flooded with charlatans, who
> > are driving the prices up and make it even more diluted for the rest
> > of us.
> > 
> > 
> > You also have to remember that many people don't factor in project
> > management and sales/phone calls into the hourly rate - they simply
> > absorb the costs - which further drives it down.
> > 
> > 
> > Cut a long story short though, I personally think that around
> > £1700/month after tax is the 'sweet spot' for any developer
> > (assuming you're not in the city). Anything beyond that is a
> > bonus :)
> > 
> > 
> > Cal
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Raphael
> > <developm...@develissimo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Kurtis,
> > 
> > thank you for letting is know about C. Lemmings po

Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

Hello Kurtis,

thank you for letting is know about C. Lemmings post, we are going to
use all the information we are able to grab.
Got project data via email - but anyway till now its far not enough.

http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Kind regards,
Raphael


On Tue, 2012-05-01 at 10:44 -0400, Kurtis Mullins wrote:

> Raphael,
> 
> 
> 
> According to another topic -- some developers are being paid roughly
> $20/hour. It's under a post by Cal Lemmings where he is trying to hire
> some entry level developer(s). You might be able to use that
> information as well. I just thought I'd let you know.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Raphael <developm...@develissimo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Dear djangos,
> 
> if you want to hand-in your data anonymously - just send us an
> email to django[at]develissimo.com
> we really need more data to achieve some meaningful results.
> 
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/
> 
> Cheers,
> Raphael
> 
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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

Dear djangos,

if you want to hand-in your data anonymously - just send us an email to
django[at]develissimo.com
we really need more data to achieve some meaningful results.

http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Cheers,
Raphael


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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael Reumayr]

hello Kenneth,

your way is a common practice - so do a lot of others even in Europe.
But please extract the hourly rate in USD depending on project sum and
spent hours.
So you will be able to calculate the hourly rate.

Link:
http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

Thank you very much for participating
Raphael


On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 19:38 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: >
 thanks for sharing your project data - this should boost developers

> > income worldwide. Know what you are worth! 
> 
> In my country we do not charge by the hour - we try to guess how much
> the client is willing to pay, and quote a sum higher than that. Then we
> bargain - how would you factor this into your survey?
> -- 
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
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Re: Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael Reumayr]

hello djangos,

we have extended the django project information list to report by:

+ $ Working Hours per Day: xx hours (payed project working hours per
day)
+ $ Project Total Cost: x USD (project total cost)

Contribution Link: http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/

thanks for sharing your project data - this should boost developers
income worldwide. Know what you are worth! 

Regards,
Raphael


On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 15:31 +0200, Raphael wrote:

> 
> Hello djangos, 
> 
> I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a good idea to update the
> django developer rates for 2012.
> 
> So we are going to do some worldwide statistics on the average hourly
> rates on django related projects in consideration of project specific
> parameters. (details below)
> As we think this is going to boost developers income worldwide. Know
> what you are worth! 
> 
> But before we do those statistics - we need you to provide some
> project data under the following URL:
> http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943
> 
> Contributors - please declare the following information: 
>   * project - location/country (Great Britain, USA, China, ...) 
> project - beginning year (2010, ...) 
> project - duration (1 month, 3 months, 12 months, ...) 
> project- description - short/one line (Examples: eCommerce,
> Forum, Parcel-API, Music-Store, Search Results Page, ERP,
> Real-Estate,...) 
> project- team-size (Examples: One person, Group of 2, 3,
> 4... ) 
> agent/middleman Is there an agent/middleman between you (the
> developer) and the client YES|NO 
> agent-margin If middleman - what do you think is his margin?
> (Examples: 15%, 25%, ...) 
> $ Hourly Rate - in US-Dollar (we are located in Europe - but
> lets do this in USD please) 
> Additional Information - please feel free to provide
> additional information 
> 
> If your project was/is payed via a total system cost, please calculate
> the hourly rate. Thank you. 
> 
> As soon as there is enough information provided we will publish the
> data with neat statistics, graphics and analysis in the blog section
> under the following URL Blog - Here you will find the results page in
> some days/weeks 
> [develissimo.com] - so hopefully a lot of django and web-developers
> out there will be able to advance in prices. 
> Such information has helped developers in the past to know what they
> are worth - those statistics have to get updated from time to time and
> definitely will help our professional guild in the future as well. 
> 
> Thank you for participating! 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Raphael
> 
> 
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Django - Worldwide Developer Rates - Hourly Income - location and project duration specific

[Raphael]

Hello djangos, 

I have talked to Kurtis and he thinks its a good idea to update the
django developer rates for 2012.

So we are going to do some worldwide statistics on the average hourly
rates on django related projects in consideration of project specific
parameters. (details below)
As we think this is going to boost developers income worldwide. Know
what you are worth! 

But before we do those statistics - we need you to provide some project
data under the following URL:
http://develissimo.com/forum/topic/107887/?page=1#post-257943

Contributors - please declare the following information: 

  * project - location/country (Great Britain, USA, China, ...) 
project - beginning year (2010, ...) 
project - duration (1 month, 3 months, 12 months, ...) 
project- description - short/one line (Examples: eCommerce,
Forum, Parcel-API, Music-Store, Search Results Page, ERP,
Real-Estate,...) 
project- team-size (Examples: One person, Group of 2, 3, 4... ) 
agent/middleman Is there an agent/middleman between you (the
developer) and the client YES|NO 
agent-margin If middleman - what do you think is his margin?
(Examples: 15%, 25%, ...) 
$ Hourly Rate - in US-Dollar (we are located in Europe - but
lets do this in USD please) 
Additional Information - please feel free to provide additional
information 


If your project was/is payed via a total system cost, please calculate
the hourly rate. Thank you. 

As soon as there is enough information provided we will publish the data
with neat statistics, graphics and analysis in the blog section under
the following URL Blog - Here you will find the results page in some
days/weeks 
[develissimo.com] - so hopefully a lot of django and web-developers out
there will be able to advance in prices. 
Such information has helped developers in the past to know what they are
worth - those statistics have to get updated from time to time and
definitely will help our professional guild in the future as well. 

Thank you for participating! 

Kind regards, 
Raphael

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Re: starting django

[Raphael Reumayr]

hello Kikozzza,

if you say ubuntu 10 I give a shot into the dark and tip on ubuntu
version 10_04 LTS (long term support).
After installation you can open a terminal an type:
python

the python console will open and responding with version Python 2.6.5 as
this is the default version on ubuntu 10.04

After your friend has installed django on your system - the version is
system independent, do the following:
again run the command "python" in terminal:
python
and then type
import django 
print django.VERSION

this could look similar to this approach:
Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr 16 2010, 13:57:41) 
[GCC 4.4.3] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import django
>>> print django.VERSION
(1, 2, 3, 'final', 0)
>>> 

so you see on this machine I am running Django version 1.2.3 final

Good luck on improving your skills!

-- Raphael
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On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 23:00 -0700, Kikozzza wrote:

> I'm starting learning django? that's why I ask my friend to install me
> python and all distrib for my projects.
> I have very silly question- how can I discover what version of python
> and  Django i get?
> he installs me ubuntu 10
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Re: How to add a javascript calendar to date textboxes

[Noam Raphael]

It looks great, thanks!

Noam

On 8/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've done that, and it's not hard, but there's quite a few good js
> datepickers out there, and on my most recent one I used one of
> those gives me a bit more control over how I want it to look on
> the public-facing part, and I'm not making 5 http calls to do it.
>
> Here's the one I went with:
> http://www.frequency-decoder.com/demo/date-picker-v2/
>
> And again, it's just adding a class to the input.
>
> On Aug 7, 5:45 pm, Noam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to add a javascript calendar (like the one you have in
> > Django's admin) to a date textbox in a form.
> > I found this post, which says how to do 
> > it:http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_frm/thread/3328829...
> >
> > I thought I might share with you how I did it - I think that it's
> > simpler than what's described there.
> >
> > To add the calendar, you only need to:
> >
> > 1. Make sure that the admin interface is enabled.
> > 2. Add this to the  element in your HTML template:
> >
> >  >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Note that this assumes that your admin media sits in "/media". If it's
> > not the case, you need to replace "/media" with your admin media path.
> >
> > 3. Add an attribute class="vDateField" to your 
> > element.
> > If you're using the newforms library, you can do it by using a line
> > like this in your form definition:
> > date =
> > forms.DateField(widget=forms.TextInput(attrs={'class':"vDateField"}))
> >
> > Have a good day,
> > Noam
>
>
> >
>

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Re: ANN: DMigrate - A Django Database Migration Tool

[Noam Raphael]

On 7/18/07, Ben Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just out of interest have you explored using SQLAlchemy directly with the 
> django model..? I mean mapping the SA Table onto the django Model..? I had a 
> play with that a while back and it seems a very straightforward way of 
> achieving SA - django integration...
> Ben
>

No, I haven't tried it. In the script DMigrate creates, there are SA
classes which interact with the source database, and Django classes
which interact with the destination database. They don't touch one
another.

Noam

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ANN: DMigrate - A Django Database Migration Tool

[Noam Raphael]

Hello,

I'm happy to let you know about DMigrate. DMigrate is a simple tool
which lets you migrate Django databases easily. With DMigrate:
 * You don't have to use any SQL.
 * You don't need to learn any command for changing database structure.
 * You can do whatever transformations you like.
 * You can do the migration as many times as you like, until you get
it right, without fear of data loss.

There's one drawback: DMigrate is not as efficient as other migration
tools, which means that it's probably suitable only for small to
medium sites.

The idea is simple: DMigrate writes for you a script which takes all
the data from the current database and copies it to a newly created
database. You then edit the script to make any transformations you
like on your data, and then run the script. If you're not satisfied
with the result, you re-edit the script, and run it again. When you
are satisfied, make your website use your newly created database.
That's all!

DMigrate can also be used to migrate your data from one database
engine to another.

For more information about DMigrate, including examples, look at
http://code.google.com/p/dmigrate/wiki/Help

I would really like to hear what you think about it (especially if
it's good things...) Tell me!

Have a good day,
Noam

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Re: An idea on DB migration

[Noam Raphael]

On 7/6/07, SmileyChris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you haven't already, check out http://www.aswmc.com/dbmigration/
>
> It's quite a good solution for migration.
> I've been writing a wrapper on top of that to handle auto-migration,
> which I'm mostly happy with. Just have to tie some loose ends and I'll
> put it up somewhere to share.

Thanks for the link!

My main concern about this method: I have to use SQL. I don't really
understand SQL, and I'm very happy to let Django write it up for me.
When I write it, I'm never sure if it will exactly fit what Django
expects, or if it will be efficient (Should I define some columns as
indices? As relations?) If my method was available, I wouldn't have to
write a single line of SQL, and I would still be able to do whatever I
want.

Have a good day,
Noam

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Re: An idea on DB migration

[Noam Raphael]

On 7/4/07, Carl Karsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem I see is maintaining the generated file.  This process will often
> start before the target system is stable, so as soon as you start making 
> changes
> to the target model, the converter will need to be updated too.  If the
> transformation formulas are part of one of the models, then there isn't 
> anything
> to keep in sync.
>
You don't have to maintain the generated file. After you've updated
the database, there's no need to keep it. When you want another update
to the database, you create a new file and change there what you want.

>
> >
> >> Also, along the lines of slow... you are going to love this one: how about
> >> making it use the web server as the source which would allow migrating 
> >> between 2
> >> servers where http is the only exposed protocol?   it would also take care 
> >> of
> >> migrating between systems where I don't have both db stacks installed on 
> >> one box
> >> - consider win/mssql -> linux/SqlLite.  yeah yeah, django/mssql doesn't 
> >> exist
> >> yet... but it makes a good example :)
> >
> > I think that for this you can use "./manage.py dumpdata" and
> > "./manage.py loaddata". See
> > http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/msg/02f5447f41207a65
>
> But then you don't get any of the nifty transformations which is kinda the 
> point
> of your idea.
>
Well, you can separate nifty transformations (which will be done on
one computer) and system migration.

Noam

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Re: An idea on DB migration

[Noam Raphael]

On 7/4/07, nick feng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The django has already provided the way to use SQL, I don't think this is 
> needed.

Well, I'm not a SQL expert, and I don't feel comfortable with adding
fields manually. I'm never sure whether my SQL statement is what
Django would have issued when creating the table - not to mention
relations and indices. If I don't need to know SQL to use Django, why
should I need to learn SQL to modify my models?

Noam

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Re: An idea on DB migration

[Noam Raphael]

On 7/4/07, Carl Karsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't like the "edit the file" part.  I can think of 2 alternatives:
>
> 1. add an attribute to one/both of the models.  something like
>
> class Book(models.Model):
>  name = models.CharField(blank=True, "migrate_to"="book_name" )
>
> 2. a 3rd file that defines those kind of translations, which might be about 
> the
> same by just subclassing the existing models.
>
> class Book(models.Book):
>  book_name = Book.name()
>
> (I am totally winging it here, so forgiveme if my brain storm has some 
> turbulence.)
>

What I like about my idea is that you don't need to learn new syntax
for migration. And syntax like this will never be enough - for
example, how would you convert a field with a full name into two
fields, the first name and last name? Using my idea, it will simply
be:

n.first_name, n.last_name = o.name.split()

(Well, you would have to add some error handling, but it won't be a
lot more complicated.)

> Also, along the lines of slow... you are going to love this one: how about
> making it use the web server as the source which would allow migrating 
> between 2
> servers where http is the only exposed protocol?   it would also take care of
> migrating between systems where I don't have both db stacks installed on one 
> box
> - consider win/mssql -> linux/SqlLite.  yeah yeah, django/mssql doesn't exist
> yet... but it makes a good example :)

I think that for this you can use "./manage.py dumpdata" and
"./manage.py loaddata". See
http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/msg/02f5447f41207a65

Noam

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Re: How does Django handle Model Inheritance?

[Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales]

On 4/17/07, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/17/07, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm a newcomer to this list, so be patient if this is a dumb
> > question. I'd like to know how does DJango handle Model Inheritance.
>
> Model inheritance is not currently supported in Django. It will be at
> some as-yet-uncertain point in the future, but for the moment it is
> not supported.
>

Thanks for the response, James.

Humm, note to self, possible Summer of Code project :P

Regards.

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How does Django handle Model Inheritance?

[Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales]

Hi everyone,

I'm a newcomer to this list, so be patient if this is a dumb
question. I'd like to know how does DJango handle Model Inheritance.

For example, if I do something like this and use PostgreSQL:

class BaseModel( models.Model ):
base_attribute = models.CharField()

class ChildModel( BaseModel ):
child_attribute = models.CharField()

does it create two completely separate tables or does it use
Postgre's Table Inheritance feature?

Regards,

Raphael

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