Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
On 18/09/19 15:23, Yuri D'Elia wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16 2019, John Crisp wrote: >>> Same request here: Yuri do you think to have enough time to make a >>> release for TB 68? Thank you for responding. I think people just wanted some clarity on the position so they can then make choices as to direction. > > Due to the current circumstances, I'll have to abandon both the TB and > the Android clients for the time being. TB has proven to be a huge time > sink that I cannot follow reliably anymore, while the original developer > behind the Android client has left (the released Android client still > works, but recent android releases broke it). > On the basis of the following para (that you will support the base DL system) I will continue to try and find someone to look at the TB plugin. If anyone has any suggestions then let me know either here or directly. > I'm still supporting the DL server though, the command line client as > well as the "wx" windows GUI. I'm lagging in terms of available time, > but I'm actively using DL for a variety of reasons, so that's not going > away. > Excellent - that's a start then ;-) Thanks again for what you have done. B. Rgds John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
On Mon, Sep 16 2019, John Crisp wrote: >> Same request here: Yuri do you think to have enough time to make a >> release for TB 68? Due to the current circumstances, I'll have to abandon both the TB and the Android clients for the time being. TB has proven to be a huge time sink that I cannot follow reliably anymore, while the original developer behind the Android client has left (the released Android client still works, but recent android releases broke it). I'm still supporting the DL server though, the command line client as well as the "wx" windows GUI. I'm lagging in terms of available time, but I'm actively using DL for a variety of reasons, so that's not going away. You're all right that the web pages and release notes should reflect that and I'll do an update as soon as possible. I held off too much in the hopes I could get it working again.
Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
I am not going to engage in lengthy discussions on the politics of FSF/GNU or whatever - it is OT really. I'm just interested in this plugin On 17/09/19 22:48, filel...@overbearing.org wrote: > Do you want to run your own pocket server? It's been years. There is > still no code. Did money change hands or does Moz really really love > the pocket corporation, or maybe they're too lazy to put that pocket > code on github ( but not to lazy to rewrite firefox). Just turn it off. Search the interwebs for 'firefox disable pocket' > > I'm thinking about what to do here. It is possible to use the DL > server without Thunderbird integration. That is what I am doing now. > The addon just automates the process of adding a link to your email. Yes, it just makes it very simple to upload to your own file store. Pure and simple. > I haven't written any code since high school but I might try to look > at it. I have a feeling if I don't it will still be in the same state > next year at this time. > Yup - I can't code it. If I could, I would. Not helped by Moz devs completely changing the API etc so it needs a major rewrite. I guess you could take some inspiration from the WeTransfer extension embedded in TB But yes, I don't think anything will now change and TB/DL is a lost cause. > Since Yuri seems to have lost interest in the project, maybe he might > be persuaded to change the web site to reflect the current status of > DL thunderbird addon. I think that might be being unkind. I believe it is due to circumstances beyond his control. But no one should speculate. It's sad. It happens. Yes, the web site/git page should probably be changed. I guess that begs the question as to whether anyone else will take it on/maintain it? I'd happily help, but my coding skills are nowhere near good enough. B. Rgds John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
Did you read today that Richard Stallman has been forced out of the Free Software Foundation? https://www.metafilter.com/183159/Odious-ideas-are-not-entitled-to-hide-from-criticism Stallman always seemed to me to be a principled guy. I don't think that pedantic defense of child rape is a supportable "principle". The entire point of the "Free software movement" was that we were better than the establishment. To my way of thinking Free Software doesn't simply mean free to copy and modify, but free from old ideas about ownership and control. When I see a Amazon logo on the Ubuntu desktop this doesn't bother me exclusively because I think that Amazon is a corrupt organization, but because I think that it flies in the face of the "Ubuntu philosophy". From wikipedia: Ubuntu (Zulu pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼù])[1] is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity." It is often translated as "I am because we are," or "humanity towards others," but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity."[2] In other words if you sell out to Amazon you can't possibly have a "humanist bond of sharing". Everything they do from this point on is suspect. The Mozilla has done a lot of things that I don't like. That API thing has bothered me for a while so recently I switched to Waterfox. The thing that really pissed me off was the pocket integration. Check this out: In June 2015, Pocket integration was added as a default feature to the Mozilla Firefox web browser, via a toolbar button and link to a user's Pocket list in the bookmarks menu. The integration was controversial, as users displayed concerns for the direct integration of a proprietary service into an open source application, and that it could not be completely disabled without editing advanced settings, unlike third-party extensions.[9] A Mozilla spokesperson stated that the feature was meant to leverage the service's popularity among Firefox users and clarified that all code related to the integration was open source.[10][11] The spokesperson added that "[Mozilla had] gotten lots of positive feedback about the integration from users".[10] On February 27, 2017, Pocket announced that it had been acquired by Mozilla Corporation, the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group. Mozilla staff stated that Pocket would continue to operate as an independent subsidiary but that it would be leveraged as part of an ongoing "Context Graph" project.[7] There are plans to open-source the server-side code of Pocket[12][13][14] but that has yet to materialize as of July 2019. Do you want to run your own pocket server? It's been years. There is still no code. Did money change hands or does Moz really really love the pocket corporation, or maybe they're too lazy to put that pocket code on github ( but not to lazy to rewrite firefox). I would like to see a fork, like the waterfox fork. We could call it waterbird or wetbird or ... penguin. Yes the Penguin email program. I'm a marketing genius! I'm thinking about what to do here. It is possible to use the DL server without Thunderbird integration. That is what I am doing now. The addon just automates the process of adding a link to your email. I haven't written any code since high school but I might try to look at it. I have a feeling if I don't it will still be in the same state next year at this time. Since Yuri seems to have lost interest in the project, maybe he might be persuaded to change the web site to reflect the current status of DL thunderbird addon. On 9/16/2019 16:24, John Crisp wrote: On 16/09/19 14:05, Thierry Murgue wrote: Le 23/08/2019 à 15:39, Hofer Konrad a écrit : will there be a new release of DL for thunderbird 68? Same request here: Yuri do you think to have enough time to make a release for TB 68? I think from what I understand due to a variety of circumstances the chances are pretty well zero. I have offered to pay for for it to be updated but no takers. I don't believe that Moz/TB are that bothered as they probably get some form of sponsorship for including WeTransfer. This would just lose them revenue. Ahhh, yes: https://blog.mozil
Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
On 16/09/19 14:05, Thierry Murgue wrote: > Le 23/08/2019 à 15:39, Hofer Konrad a écrit : >> >> will there be a new release of DL for thunderbird 68? > > Same request here: Yuri do you think to have enough time to make a > release for TB 68? > I think from what I understand due to a variety of circumstances the chances are pretty well zero. I have offered to pay for for it to be updated but no takers. I don't believe that Moz/TB are that bothered as they probably get some form of sponsorship for including WeTransfer. This would just lose them revenue. Ahhh, yes: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/ "WeTransfer and Thunderbird are both excited to be able to work together on this great feature for our users. The Thunderbird team thinks that this will really improve the experience of collaboration and and sharing for our users." Follow the smell of money. Seems it is baked in to Thunderbird and you cannot remove it. Shocking. I've added a bug but it will be chinned off as normal. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1581540 Another reason not to use TB. I wish I could code the extension myself but it is way out of my range. If you know anyone interested in working on it then let me know. In the meantime we are starting to look at moving away from TB. The DL plugin was one of the few things that kept us there. Without it we may as well look at alternatives. Sick of being told by Moz devs they know best and we know nothing. Hey ho. B. Rgds John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [dl-ticket-service] thunderbird 68 beta released
Le 23/08/2019 à 15:39, Hofer Konrad a écrit : Hi, will there be a new release of DL for thunderbird 68? thanks a lot konrad Hi! Same request here: Yuri do you think to have enough time to make a release for TB 68? Thanks in advance, Best regards, -- Thierry MURGUE. __ Docteur en Informatique Ingénieur d'études, Université Jean Monnet, DNum Pôle Infrastructures et données 21, rue du docteur Paul Michelon 42023 Saint-Étienne, Cédex 2, France. Tél. : +33.(0)4.69.66.31.22 Fax : +33.(0)4.77.48.50.69
