Re: [DNG] libc very old - and bugged?
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:00:02AM +, asbesto wrote: -- SNIP -- > > so... you need to upgrade your libc or patch it. Devuan jessie is updated as debian jessie, so, upgrade libc version isn't something we can consider right now. Of course you can use devuan ascii ( same upgrade level as debian testing ) or ceres ( same as sid ), but of course this isn't a solution for you. The actual libc in devuan is directly included from debian without devuan changes, so, probably the issue is in debian jessie too. Anyway, the patch can be included, and i'm to include it, but maybe it can be included in debian too, so, we can avoid to fork glibc package for the moment? > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T46111; > > So it happens that Devuan use a libc that's old like the corpse > of Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ (cit.) > > Any plan to update / patch it? > > > > p.s. the patch to solve this problem is: > > > --- a/sysdeps/generic/ldsodefs.h 2015-02-06 > --- 17:40:18.0 +1100 > +++ b/sysdeps/generic/ldsodefs.h 2016-09-26 > 13:17:14.228874529 +1000 > @@ -389,7 +389,7 @@ > #define TLS_SLOTINFO_SURPLUS (62) > > /* Number of additional slots in the dtv allocated. */ > -#define DTV_SURPLUS (14) > +#define DTV_SURPLUS (32) > >/* Initial dtv of the main thread, not allocated with normal > * malloc. */ >EXTERN void *_dl_initial_dtv; > > > > > -- > [ : 73 de IW9HGS : http://freaknet.org/asbesto ::: ] > [ Freaknet Medialab :: Poetry Hacklab : Dyne.Org :: Radio Cybernet ] > [ NON SCRIVERMI USANDO LETTERE ACCENTATE - NON MANDARMI ALLEGATI ] > [ *I DELETE* EMAIL > 100K, ATTACHMENTS, HTML, M$-WORD DOC and SPAM ] > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuan-ascii: apt-get warning re weak key
Amprolla has just been updated to manage SHA256 signatures. From the next update of the repo contents, all repos will be signed with SHA256 cipher, so, the issue is closed. On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 09:01:38PM +0200, Fred DC wrote: > > On 06/04/2016 20:36, Rob wrote: > > > > Debian intend to shut off SHA1 completely on January 1, 2017. > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal > > > Ok, I don't need to panic. Thanks Rob. > > Fred > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ian Murdock
I think we should release a communicate about Ian to celebrate him and mourn he's death. R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] APT pinning no longer works
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 11:17:53AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > Are there alternatives for preventing packages to be installed? > > We need to decide if to incorporate this change also into Devuan. This is not an issue for devuan at all. Devuan doesn't rely on apt pinning anymore, we now have our own repository and, even if our repository is a merge of our packages with many packages coming from debian without any change, we control how packages are prioritized in devuan thanks to override support in amprolla, so, we can "pin" packages from the "server side" in our repository and we don't need to rely on the pinning on the "client" side. In fact for the beta the pinning excluding systemd to be installed is scheduled for removal in any case as it isn't needed anymore. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Mirror
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 04:34:00PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: > I sent an e-mail about a week ago to the list. I'm willing to mirror > Devuan, I just do not have the information I need to do it. > > If anyone wants another mirror. It would be in Dallas, US. I just need > to know how much space and bandwidth it will need, plus instructions on > how to set up the mirror. It's early to mirror devuan repositories, please stand on and wait for when we will release the beta. After the beta, we will start talking about mirroring repositories too. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] About the issues on the devuan repositories
Hi all, after the last days issues with devuan repositories, i have deeply investigated what broke our amprolla merged repo. First issue: debian mirror auto geolocation Until some days ago we were using http://http.debian.net as auto geolocation redirect for debian mirrors to be merged. Sadly those were having issues, and then i've changed it pointing to the OVH mirror, and then to the httpredir.debian.org mirrors. They seems to work, but amprolla wasn't yet able to work as expected, so, tonight i have deeply investigated our issue... and i discovered a change in the debian mirror structure. They were used to have both an InRelease file AND a Release ( with Release.gpg ) as main indices for repositories. Amprolla was ignoring Release and Release.gpg files, and it was using exclusively InRelease file, as it was signed and downloading 1 file instead of 2 is more efficient. Apparently something is changed in debian, and now debian mirrors doesn't have InRelease anymore, they instead have only Release and Release.gpg files. For this reason, amprolla was assuming the debian repos were empty, and then it was mergin the devuan repos with "nothing". I've just patched amprolla with a work around to solve this issue, anyway, as the debian repos aren't so stable in structure as i was expecting, a major rewrite of amprolla will be rescheduled to be anticipate, and it will perform a full mirror instead of using only redirects. This would say more bandwidth and disk space for us, but at least we can be sure to not be affected from debian changes like in those days. Thanks for your patience, in few hours the devuan repositories will be up -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Problem with the repository of Devuan
On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 08:30:27PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > we can regard this situation as the sort of testing needed for our > server side of things, I'm confident in the future such glitches can be > avoided. Technically this is what happened: - we update amprolla at fixed interval ( 30 mins ), when it checks if something is changed on a configured debian mirror AND to the devuan package repository, suite by suite. If something is changed in a suite on one of the mirror monitored, it rebuild the /dists/ directory for this suite. - As the server running amprolla is hosted in OVH, France, we use the OVH hosted debian mirror has it's (of course) fast and with very low latence for us. - It seems that the OVH mirror is down, and amprolla doesn't manage this situation well, so, it take the unavailable files from the down mirror as a change where all packages aren't available anymore, and then it rebuild the merged repo with only the packages from other mirrors. Actually i've manually reconfigured amprolla to use another debian mirror and then start to rebuild the repo forcing the total rebuild, in few minutes all will work as usual and expected. In the long run, to avoid the repeating on the same issue, i will fix amprolla to fallback to a secondary mirror in case the first one fail, and then to abort operations if also the secondary is failing, maybe dropping a notice/warning email to let us know immediatly that something is going wrong. Thanks to report the issue. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net paypal: https://paypal.me/nexlab NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] proposed changes: the results
Previously i was proposing a change of the default editor and the default MTA. Well, my proposition get a lot of traction in the list, and i'm really happy of that, it would mean that you care about devuan, and this IS a great thing. As for what i can undertand, there is no full consensus about which one editor should be the default one, and the same apply to MTA. So, for jessie, i think that the best way is to let things be the same as they are. Jessie will have nano and vim-tiny in the default install, vim-tiny as to preserve vi requirement to be posix/unix compliant, and nano cause it seems to be more easy for all guys that doesn't use vi. Same apply to MTA, in jessie the default would remain exim. Anyway, i propose to change this for ascii in this way: INSTALLING FROM THE INSTALLER: If you choose standard (quiet) install, you will get nano as $EDITOR and vim-tiny installed too. If you choose advanced install you can choose between vim-tiny, nano, and maybe others too. If you choose vim-tiny, you will have only vim-tiny. If you choose another editor, you will get the other editor in $EDITOR, and vim-tiny installed too for posix compatibility. --- INSTALLING FROM DEBOOTRAP -- We have two choices: 1- install just vim-tiny 2- install a meta package default-editor that let you choose like in the installer, having vim-tiny as default and installing it in any case for posix compliancy. --- For the MTA, there is already a virtual package called mail-transport-agent, we can make it a meta package that let you choose which MTA you prefer, which one will be the default to be discussed. All those changes are in the direction to let the user choose, and will be applied on ascii only AFTER the jessie release. What do you think about moving this way? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:55:59AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: May I suggest that at this point, changes of this significance should be planned for the next cycle rather than thrown in at the last moment? Well, we are not exactly at the last moment as my proposition is that such changes are for the beta. Anyway, it's ok for the next cycle. Yes, that makes sense. What is the next cycle? Alpha 1? On the other We are already at alpha 3 and close to beta :D Next cycle is to be intended as for ascii, the testing or Devuan 2.0. Anyway, for all other pointing on big changes and so on, i don't mean to change anything other than: when in debian we have nano and vim-tiny installed by default and $EDITOR pointing to nano, i suggest to remove nano and point $EDITOR to vim-tiny. When in debian exim is installed as default MTA, we should choose postfix instead. So, not such a biug change at all -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: Which is Devuan intended to be? 1) Debian without systemd 2) A Debian-like distro Nor 1 or 2. Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect: 1- freedom of choice 2- UNIX philosophy 3- KISS philosophy Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable. But saying that devuan is just debian withous systemd is riductive. traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. No packages needs to be changed at all for this eventual switch, and anyway, as devuan respect the users, this choice isn't an imposition from the hight, but it's a question to the whole ml userbase to listen pro/cons. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan road map
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:13:00AM -0400, richard white wrote: Subject: [DNG] Devuan road map Does Devuan have a place where a road map is tracked/shown? It would be nice to have a central place to plan releases and features. -Rich Not yet enough documented, but the place you are searching is: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/home other projects wiki are relevant too and needs to be linked on the main one, there is a huge work to do for docs ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:44:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect: 1- freedom of choice 2- UNIX philosophy 3- KISS philosophy Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable. I'd say the second and third points also make systemd unacceptable. Three strikes and you're out. Well, sorry for my bad english, what i was meaning is the first effect of those 3 points, all 3, is systemd become unacceptable :D -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Answering in the list
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 05:29:22PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Hi guys, is it to much to ask not to include me in the To: when answering my posts? Obviously I read the list so the discussion should stay here. And another plea, please don't post TOFU[0]. Regards Klaus Well, did your client support reply to list? It should, and the headers says: Precedence: list List-Id: The first mailinglist after debianfork.org dng.lists.dyne.org List-Post: mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org so reply to list works, this is the correct beaviour of a mailing list -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: In that case, my next question would be Do we want to cater to those who are new to Linux/Unix? If yes, then nano is a good choice. If no, then vi is a good choice. Well, in my personal opinion devuan should not focus on new users, as nor debian does. For new users there are plenty of distros, most notable ubuntu, and we should not compete with it. We should focus on moderately expert to professional sysadmins and geeks, so, after some years of ubuntu if a user want to go to a more UNIX compliant distro, should switch to devuan. Second focus is to be a base framework for derivates, and then derivates can of course choose to focus on users, and to do that switch to a more easy to learn editor maybe, or maybe switch to a GUI editor for newbies. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Proposed defaults changes
More than the already know switch from gnome to xcfe4 as the default desktop and the oblovious change to sysvinit instead of systemd, i would to propose some other default changes in the standard install: nano - vim exim - postfix what do you guys think about that? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Call for devuan 1.0 jessie beta
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:41:04PM +0300, Dima Krasner wrote: We need to re-import xfce4-power-manager (as we did with xfce4-session) - it recommends libpam-systemd, which pulls in systemd in the default installation. Dima, if the issue with xfce4-power-manager ( or other package ) is just a line in Recommends: but it doesn't really need any other change in the code and/or package build, we can just set an extra-override line in amprolla to modify the Recommends attribute of the package on the fly without even import the package and using the one from debian as-is If this is the case, just open an issue on https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/Indices indicating with package need which override -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Call for devuan 1.0 jessie beta
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 01:10:35PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: * Security repository and team. * Email accounts for teams (for packaging and BTS support) * Bug Tracking System (and integration for creating issues on gitlab) Good points, but i think we can set those goals for release candidate and proceed with a beta before, except maybe for a better bug tracking -- Franco Lanza My blog: http://www.nexlab.it email: next...@nexlab.it Fax/Tel: +39 0331 682151 Cell: +39 339 8125940 Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy --- NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Call for devuan 1.0 jessie beta
Hello all. I think is time to draw a line and list what we have and what we miss to release a beta for jessie I ask all active developers/contributors to fix any error in my list and to comment if anything isn't as i write. first a couple of things about jessie in devuan: - default DE will be xfce4 - default DM is slim - no systemd components should be present in the default install. systemd-shim and libsystemd0 can be accepted only for non-default DE installs, and only for 1.0, we will work to remove any trace in 1.1 if any ( i'm thinking about gnome in particular ) - packages from debian that suggest to install systemd components but aren't really built to use it can be just forced using override, without rebuild them - no other changes except for rebranding will be done for 1.0 - we will use udev, vdev is expected to be enough mature for ascii ( thanks Jude for your excellent work! ) - no other changes are required for release except of course rebranding - we will release for: amd64, i386, armhf, armel, arm64. More architectures will be added for 1.1 - 1.1 will be jessie r1, ascii will be 2.0 What we have working: - - Many packages are already disinfected - the iso installer is almost ready, for beta we must finish rebranding and test for any major bug - amprolla needs a rewrite for performances, but it can be done after release, for the moment it just works. - the build infrastructure is working, everything can be improved, but it's enough for release What we miss for beta?: --- - many packages depends on libsystemd0 or other components. We need to use override and/or rebuild them to remove systemd dependency, at least for default install and commonly used daemons. - finish the rebrand of the installer - build the full netinstall iso Is there anything i missed to list? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] download repository
On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 10:49:20AM -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: because he did not put the http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/Release Codename: jessie? That would solve the problem No, this cannot solve anything, as the devuan archive has only few packages, the ones we modify to remove systemd, but it doesn't have all overrides and, more important, it doesn't have a LOT of packages devuan use. The merged archive, on the other side, has the /pool/ directory empty cause it's just a stub directory for a 302 redirect structure where you have to parse the /merged/dists/ Packages files and then call download by using things like /merged/poll/DEVUAN/... or /merged/poll/DEBIAN/... and you will be redirect to the right repository byt an HTTP 302 redirection. In other words, debmirror isn't the right tool as it isn't built over how amprolla build our repository, and anyway, it's too early to mirror the repos at this stage. Soon i will start to write a specific tool to mirror devuan repositories. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 03:58:05PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: I recently noticed that the module for plip remains in the kernel, about twenty years after it was last useful to anyone. Good riddance to that, I Hey! I used the plip module no more than few months ago last time. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:04:33PM +, Noel Torres wrote: Maybe a compromise solution is to do this for all init systems but sysvinit, for Jessie, and work on the fully hairy dependency chain for Jessie+1 a.k.a Ascii. Devuan jessie will not see anything like that. For jessie we need to focus to release as early as possible and to stay more close to debian as we can, just removing systemd and using sysvinit and few other non critical changes. We can think about change anything we want to do starting from ascii, so, amy proposition is welcome to be experimented and tested following the usual path experimental - if accepted going to ceres - after 10 day in ceres with no critical bugs can migrate to ascii. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Jenkins build failures on build002
Anyway, it was a logrotate not running cleanly and a /var/log fill-up the root fs. Now it's fixed -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Jenkins build failures on build002
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 03:02:21PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: For future reference, I'm not sure where to report errors like on GitLab. Is there a preferred issue tracker for Jenkins-related bugs? Report it on the devuan-infrastructure project Thanks, Jude ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Readiness notification (was: One issue with ongoing depoetterization)
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 07:37:21PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: Please don't do this. The more you bend to the systemd interfaces, the more it gets a foot in the door. By implementing a dummy sd_notify, you acknowledge the validity of the interface; you accept that the systemd people have created something worth using, and you validate the existence of (a part of) systemd. If systemd has some good parts but systemd is bad cause it has a lot of other bad parts, and even the good parts are bad implemented, i don't see why we can't get only the good parts and reimplement them in a better way. For example, in this specific sd_notify, i can see a good thing to have a little do only one thing little daemon+library that implement the sd_notify call and the open compile an ascii text pseudofile somewhere in /sys with a list of ready to use daemons, and maybe also a unix socket where other daemons, a script, an init can connect to to have real time notifications of daemon getting ready. This way we have a great feature, one of the few good features of systemd, but implemented in a unix, kiss and indipendent (and good) way. So, why not? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] upgrade problem
I upgraded and let bash-completion go, lost completion on package names, and then I installed 1:2.1-4.1 from ascii on Irrwahn's recommendation, and it seems to be working fine. fsr Actually the issue is fixed as i have upgraded the bash-completion package in jessie. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers
I think we can draw a line in this discussion this way: Daniel will implement the installer in the way he was saying, adding non-free firmwares limited to the ones that if missed are blocking for the installer ( so, nothing more than few firmwares for things like network cards or wifi, for example ), with the choice for the user to select them but disabled by default, and making the user knowing that he is selecting a non-free firmware. This will be our default installer. When our infrastructure will use that installer to build the iso images, a script will also build another image with all those non-free firmware removed, and this will be our free image. Both will be marked as official, and the name of the generated isos will be something like devuan-jessie-...-full.iso and devuan-jessie-...-free.iso This way i hope we will make all happy. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: Hi, I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in our installers by default. It's a deviation from Debians traditional position, but a pragmatic one that shows we care about the end users. Keen for feedback. Maybe we can think about having 2 images for every iso/installer, the default onw as usual without any non-free package, and another one, under a non-free directory structure with some large readme, with non-free drivers bundled. This should not be a so huge additional effort, and will give even more freedom of choice. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 06:19:27PM -0500, APT Gatuno MX wrote: Sorry for reviving this, but I don't know where to mount the Devuan Packages Page. For the packages page I need a apache server. It uses perl and other things. The url for the repo or if the repo is local the local dir. Full ssh access to the server, because it needs many configs here and there. Also, it needs a cron to be run in a daily basis (To pull the new packages from the repo). I still have intentions to donate a 1 year VPS for these services. If have time, I also want to setup a Debian BTS (Bug Tracking System) and Debian screenshots. So, if you have a server, I will install on it. If you want the VPS, the only condition is I choose the server name (on the devuan.org domain). -- Atte. Félix Arreola Hello Felix, if you can also donate a VPS to the project, this would be great. So, if you can do that, please do it and just let me know the ip address and the hostname you want to have and i will setup the devuan.org subdomain on our dns. If you can't do that or you think is better we host this machine, in few days i will give you a machine with ssh access to do the work. The repository to be used is packages.devuan.org/merged [suite] main [contrib] [non-free] as suites, we have: jessie|stable jessie-updates|stable-updates jessie-proposed-updates|stable-proposed-updates jessie-backports|stable-backports jessie-security|stable-security ascii|testing ascii-updates|testing-updates ascii-proposed-updates|testing-proposed-updates ascii-security|testing-security ceres|unstable ceres-proposed-updates|unstable-proposed-updates|incoming experimental Let me know if you will setup a machine or you prefer to have one from us -- Franco Lanza My blog: http://www.nexlab.it email: next...@nexlab.it Fax/Tel: +39 0331 682151 Cell: +39 339 8125940 Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy --- NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 02:02:57PM -0500, APT Gatuno MX wrote: Well then, what about the packages page? It doesn't need the wanna-build system, just a repo to pull packages. The packages page is a well welcomed contribution! What do you need to setting up it for devuan? -- Franco Lanza My blog: http://www.nexlab.it email: next...@nexlab.it Fax/Tel: +39 0331 682151 Cell: +39 339 8125940 Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy --- NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] test
-- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 04:18:00PM +, Edward Bartolo wrote: I am using the Devuan patched debootstrap in Debian Testing. debootstrap failed with the following message: patched in debian testing would say the devuan debootstrao or the debian one + patch? dpkg -l | grep debootstrap please # debootstrap --arch amd64 stable /mnt/sda8 http://packages.devuan.org/devuan I: Retrieving Release I: Retrieving Release.gpg I: Checking Release signature E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 94532124541922FB) Any helpful pointers are much appreciated. Thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] acpi and systemd
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 05:16:42PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: acpid and acpi-support-base have already been removed from tasksel. We already forked tasksel, so, it should not be an issue for us as long as those two packages are maintained, or we will need to fork both acpid and acpi-support-base too. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] apt-get update error
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 04:50:34PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: You're welcome. :) I think we just have to wait for the Devuan tech staff to update the release files in their repositories. So, from our user perspective, the problem will simply go away eventually. The same actually happened a few weeks ago (hence I knew about the workaround) and it was resolved in a matter of days, if not hours. The issue was caused by a down debian mirror repository from where amprolla was requesting files to update the merged repo that was causing amprolla to fail. It's now fixed, and in a matter of 20 mins from now ( 01:24am italy time) the repos will be updated. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Warning: jessie seems to be going stable soom.
It has to be sayd also that who will continue to have testing in the sources file will automagically use devuan ascii, that initially is identical to jessie, but will track down debian testing and not jessie as package versions. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Live ISO's (Jessie with no systemd)
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 01:44:00AM +0100, David Hare wrote: Thanks to all others who have compiled sytemd-free debs. What about being devuan maintainers and contribute those packages to devuan? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] dev-list
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and from the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people running the project. dyne.org != devun dyne.org != VUAs dyne.org is helping VUAs and devuan with services, work, resources, some vuas are also in dyne ( notabily Jaromil ), but please let separate things remain separate. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?
Personally on debian i was using from date APT:Install-Recommends 0; APT:Install-Suggests 0; in all my install apt.conf. I don't like apt downloading and installing things that are not required but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded envs, but also on my desktop. What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greets
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 06:57:57PM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote: Is there a reason this git repo is not publicly viewable without a login? The gitlab repositories are publicly viewable, it's just that the standard interface of gitlab isn't exactly friendly or immediate in that, and it's hard to modify (it's in the todo but with low priority to modify it ). From the homepage presenting the login form, please look at the little link explore, following it you can see all repos without login. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIV - Where no toy has gone before
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:19:06AM -0300, hellekin wrote: ## Editorial It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of your keyboard, but the intensity of this week's conversations, and @golinux's [penguins][0] made thinking about cold easier. Cold reigns in deep space as well and Devuan users will appreciate the identity moving away from toyland: although Debian Jessie refers to an adventurous toy cowgirl with an attitude, Devuan's Jessie refers to a place no toy has ever gone before. Exit the naughty `Sid` brat, welcome `Ceres`, largest object in the asteroid belt, and the first minor planet discovered in the 19th Century. That's right, [Devuan release codenames][1] will be named after minor planets of our solar system. As far as visual identity goes, and although the logo still consumes a significant bit of attention, it won't be revealed before the code: part of the distro's publishing policy is to deliver working code before a shiny image. Welcome to Issue XIV of the DWN, cooked _al dente_ by your interim editor, @hellekin, with the invaluable help of @golinux and @joerg_rw. Thanks hellekin and all DWN contributors, with this editorial you made my day, i love it :D As we have such naming and as where no toy has gone before is so close to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard Nimoy? -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Upgrade paths
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:05:04PM +, Noel Torres wrote: I've been thinking around the upgrade paths we need to provide for Devuan 1 Jessie without systemd (I'd still like ancient site names or computing people names, so for me it is Devuan اَلْحَمْرَاء (put it on sources.list as Devuan Alhambra) or Devuan Aiken). To let the upgrade path more easy and transparent, devuan 1 will be called jessie. From post devuan 1 release, we will choose our codenames... We must support users coming from Debian. That's why we are here. But which Debian? I think we should provide upgrade paths both for Jessie and for Wheezy. yes, of course! Moving from Jessie to Aiken is not really an upgrade, and should be pretty straightforward if the computer used the provided means at Debian to not have systemd, and a bit harder, but not too much, if it is a Jessie with systemd and the work is to free it. Moving from Wheezy to Aiken is really an upgrade, but most of the work would have been done at Debian already, so it should not be so hard. Moving from debian jessie to devuan jessie it's matter to execute a script or manually install a package and then fix dependencies. it should be fairly trivial, except for complex gnome based configs probably. Moving from debian wheezy to devuan jessie should be as easy as dist-upgrade to debian jessie, except we will need to choose what to do with complex gnome based installs. In both case we will probably stick on systemd-shim for devuan jessie, and then move on loginkit or something like that in future. Any other paths we should think about? Only one another path should be officially supported: the install from scratch using devuan installer Regards er Envite ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] package submission
On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Hi folks, do we already have defined workflows for package submission ? I'm usually maintaining everything in git repos, where each distro has a separate branch, which directly adds ./debian/ directory and all necessary changes - no additional patches etc. For example: https://github.com/metux/fskit/tree/jessie/master I'd prefer consequently using that approach for Devuan (we could also mirror everything to github, etc) Devuan have a workflow driven by the autobuild infrastructure based on gitlab + jenkins + dak Basically, every package in devuan has to have a project on our gitlab, where for devuan native packages all sources are on the gitlab repository, and for external hosted sources the devuan gitlab project will have just the debian directory and a devuan specific script similar to the watch script used in debian. Anyone who want to contribute to devuan with a package maintaining it, will have to open a devuan gitlab account, create a project, propose it as official package. If accepted, the repository will be added to the jenkins autobuild infrastructure where we are using branches for autobuilding. Basically any push to a pre-defined branch names will be autobuilded and, if lintian doesn't complain, pushed automagically to the main repository. Pre-defined names are: 1- experimental 2- unstable 3- devuan version numbering or codenames The point 3 has yet to be choosen. So, for devuan jessie, assuming we will use codenames, you will have for an example package a repository named example where master branch is the one where you will develop, and when you merge/push changes to experimental branch, the package will be autobuilded and pushed on the experimental repository, the unstable to the unstable repository, and jessie to the jessie / 1.0 repository. For native devuan packages, jenkins will just clone the repository and send to buildhosts to build and then on the package repository, for externally hosted sources, jenkins will execute the devuan specific script that will have to: - clone/download sources - remove eventually existant debian directory - clone the gitlab debian directory - build the package And then push to repository like for the native one. When branching for packaging external source hosted packages, a tarball of the specific version has to be built will be copied on the gitlab repo to permit package reproducibility. This will be all documented on our gitlab wiki for the devuan/devuan-project repository. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] ./debian/ and ./devuan/
On Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 08:56:39PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: Poerhaps we should also have a ./devuan/ directory. We'd use the ./debian/ directiry if the ./devuan/ directory were missing, but it just might make it easier to track changes in debian, and if debian were ever to cooperate, it might occasionally be possible to have common source packages. -- hendrik ___ We will have a devuan directory, but not as sobstitute for the debian one, it will just for puth a devuan script for externally hosted sources and the tarball of the source downloaded, and/or eventually other things specific to devuan we will want to add in future. -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] package submission
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 07:06:19PM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: and for external hosted sources the devuan gitlab project will have just the debian directory and a devuan specific script similar to the watch script used in debian. I'd strongly suggest NOT doing it that way, but instead have a full clone of the upstream repo (at least the relevant branches), and directly apply our local changes (including the ./debian/ directory) ontop of that. The idea is to have that for release branches but not for master so we can easily integrate new upstream releases, considering not all sources are on an (external) git repo and we cannot just merge changes on every new upstream release The idea behind is _not_ having any additional logic for applying the our local changes (eg. patch queues, etc) anymore, but instead having the complete tree in our git repo. IMHO, this makes maintanance _much_ easier and gives us independence from upstream sites. Yes, but it make harder to follow upstream new releases in future, as it sounds like a fork for every package that needs to be rebased at any upstream release Yes, it requires more storage space, but storage is pretty cheap. And we dont need to have _full_ clones, just the relevant branches/tags, even just the recent part of the history (aka shallow clones) Storage isn't an issue at all When branching for packaging external source hosted packages, a tarball of the specific version has to be built will be copied on the gitlab repo to permit package reproducibility. Tarballs in git repos are not a good idea ... Well, this was just for convenience, but another way can be used as long as it's standardized to manage externally hosted upstream source and doesn't make harder to maintain packages in sync with upstream -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Release roadmap
As many already known, i will be unreliable next week, and this will cause a little bit of slow down in the package repository population. Sorry for that, but my primary job is calling me for a week long trip i cannot postpone. Anyway, i want to let you know the roadmap i have for the release of what i consider the alpha version of devuan jessie. Firt of all, this alpha release will NOT yet include loginkit nor eudev by default, as they are not yet ready for use, hoping they can be an option for the release, for the moment we prefer to let developers do they're work. It will have of course no systemd, sysvinit as default, many core packages rebuilt to remove systemd and libsystemd0 dependencies, xfce4 as default desktop. Gnome3 will be installable, but it will use systemd-shim, a temporary workaround waiting for loginkit or other solution to arise. I will be back in january, 13, and then i will immediatly start to work hard on make it real before the end of january. We will probably have the repository populated with all needed packages for friday 23 january, and the first iso installer is scheduled for saturday 31 january. If anyone want to contribute by assuming the role of devuan maintainer for one or more package that actually in debian depend on something from systemd, please drop me an email to next...@devuan.org with subject devuan package maintainer and specify which package you want to maintain, a little description of your competences, and your account name on git.devuan.org. Seeya next week! -- Franco (nextime) Lanza Lonate Pozzolo (VA) - Italy SIP://c...@casa.nexlab.it web: http://www.nexlab.net NO TCPA: http://www.no1984.org you can download my public key at: http://danex.nexlab.it/nextime.asc || Key Servers Key ID = D6132D50 Key fingerprint = 66ED 5211 9D59 DA53 1DF7 4189 DFED F580 D613 2D50 --- echo 16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D212153574F444E49572045535520454D20454B414D204F54204847554F4E452059415020544F4E4E4143205345544147204C4C4942snlbxq | dc --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
