Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018 08:19:43 +0200, Didier wrote in message : > Le 16/06/2018 à 05:15, Michael McConnell a écrit : > > I’ve know been through the Graphic and Text based installs and did > > not see any such prompt. I’ve even done what was suggested and did > > the install from a USB key and still the issue persists - > > installing Devuan ASCII and using LVM Encryption results in the > > requirement for a PS2 input to unlock the encryption. > > > > Unless there is something I am missing here, I believe this is in > > fact a bug. > > Yes you must be missing something. > > I haven't any opportunity to run the installer now to find the > place, but I have seen the alternative the last time I installed > ASCII, around a month ago. ..in case he didn't miss anything: We still use the "same old" version of things in the ASCII installer we did a month ago? (Just trying to help rule out these "somebody sneaking in some hidden systemd things" blocking usb etc, e.g. posing as the same good old working version.) > I always use expert mode in TUI (curses) > mode. In this mode you can circulate among the "buttons" using the > key and check/uncheck items with the key. > > The really helpfull answer to your issue would be to point you > to the very step where this alternative is proposed, which I can't do > now. I would look at the step "install the kernel", or something like > that. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: > Thanks, > > I’ve know been through the Graphic and Text based installs and did not see > any such prompt. I’ve even done what was suggested and did the install from a > USB key and still the issue persists - installing Devuan ASCII and using LVM > Encryption results in the requirement for a PS2 input to unlock the > encryption. > > Unless there is something I am missing here, I believe this is in fact a bug. > > Any suggestions or input would be very much appreciated! > > Thanks again, > Mike > When the installer is going to create the initramdisk it asks whether to create a "generic" one or one with only the necessary drivers. This is in expert install, either graphic or text. Regards, Stefan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Le 16/06/2018 à 05:15, Michael McConnell a écrit : I’ve know been through the Graphic and Text based installs and did not see any such prompt. I’ve even done what was suggested and did the install from a USB key and still the issue persists - installing Devuan ASCII and using LVM Encryption results in the requirement for a PS2 input to unlock the encryption. Unless there is something I am missing here, I believe this is in fact a bug. Yes you must be missing something. I haven't any opportunity to run the installer now to find the place, but I have seen the alternative the last time I installed ASCII, around a month ago. I always use expert mode in TUI (curses) mode. In this mode you can circulate among the "buttons" using the key and check/uncheck items with the key. The really helpfull answer to your issue would be to point you to the very step where this alternative is proposed, which I can't do now. I would look at the step "install the kernel", or something like that. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Thanks, I’ve know been through the Graphic and Text based installs and did not see any such prompt. I’ve even done what was suggested and did the install from a USB key and still the issue persists - installing Devuan ASCII and using LVM Encryption results in the requirement for a PS2 input to unlock the encryption. Unless there is something I am missing here, I believe this is in fact a bug. Any suggestions or input would be very much appreciated! Thanks again, Mike -- Michael McConnell WINK Streaming; email: mich...@winkstreaming.com toll free: 877-GO-4-WINK x 7400 direct: +1 312 281-5434 cell: +506 8706-2389 skype: wink-michael web: http://winkstreaming.com > On Jun 15, 2018, at 2:37 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 15/06/2018 à 02:05, Michael McConnell a écrit : >> Thanks for the reply, but at no point during the install do I see an option >> to install the “necessary” drivers? I just ran through the install once more >> and still don’t see any prompt or indication asking about supporting USB >> drivers. I did the install using a USB keyboard on both the VM instance and >> the dedicated hardware. >> > AFAIR, this choice has been present in Debian installer for at least a > decade and I confirm it's still present in Devuan-ASCII - I don't remember in > which step though. > > The choice is rather radical and the option to only install the drivers > for devices present at install time is mostly meant for industrial SBCs and > hand-held devices which don't accept any hot-pluggable device. It is also > interesting for security reasons. > > It would be nice to have an intermediate choice including all common > hot-pluggable devices, but, there isn't. It might help to install from a USB > stick, or just pug one in during install. > > Didier > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Am Freitag 15 Juni 2018 schrieb KatolaZ: > Hi Stefan, > > if you choose to install only the necessary drivers, you will be > guaranteed to have only the drivers needed for the hardware present in > the system at install time. That's the reason why you don't get USB > modules in the initrd (which is exactly what I would expect to happen > if I asked to include only the necessary drivers, TBH). > > I guess there is genuinely no bug here, just a feature ;) I am sure > you get the point. > > HND > > KatolaZ > Yeah, certainly, the installer did as advertised ;-) as I surprisingly found out. Regards, Stefan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Le 15/06/2018 à 02:05, Michael McConnell a écrit : Thanks for the reply, but at no point during the install do I see an option to install the “necessary” drivers? I just ran through the install once more and still don’t see any prompt or indication asking about supporting USB drivers. I did the install using a USB keyboard on both the VM instance and the dedicated hardware. AFAIR, this choice has been present in Debian installer for at least a decade and I confirm it's still present in Devuan-ASCII - I don't remember in which step though. The choice is rather radical and the option to only install the drivers for devices present at install time is mostly meant for industrial SBCs and hand-held devices which don't accept any hot-pluggable device. It is also interesting for security reasons. It would be nice to have an intermediate choice including all common hot-pluggable devices, but, there isn't. It might help to install from a USB stick, or just pug one in during install. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Thanks for the reply, but at no point during the install do I see an option to install the “necessary” drivers? I just ran through the install once more and still don’t see any prompt or indication asking about supporting USB drivers. I did the install using a USB keyboard on both the VM instance and the dedicated hardware. Thanks again, Mike > On Jun 14, 2018, at 5:04 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:44:10PM +0200, Stefan Krusche wrote: >> Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: >>> Thanks for confirming I am not going crazy (: I've been googling around >>> to see if USB is a non-free firmware element and from what I can tell >>> since loading firmware via USB seems to be the recommended way to load >>> non-free drivers I doubt this is a licensing issue. From what I've read >>> it appears intel and a few others gave USB 100% license free. Sooo is >>> this just an overlooked driver from the release? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mike >> >> The driver for USB is in the standard kernel. It just wasn't included in the >> initrd created during my installation, at least not the one for the USB >> keyboard, as I did the installation with another, old PS2 keyboard *and* >> chose "only necessary drivers", not "generic", which includes all the >> available drivers into the initrd, if I understand correctly. So, as no USB >> was being used during install the installer included no USB drivers in >> initrd, I think. In my case the problem didn't have anything to do with >> licensing or non-available non-free software or something like that. >> > > Hi Stefan, > > if you choose to install only the necessary drivers, you will be > guaranteed to have only the drivers needed for the hardware present in > the system at install time. That's the reason why you don't get USB > modules in the initrd (which is exactly what I would expect to happen > if I asked to include only the necessary drivers, TBH). > > I guess there is genuinely no bug here, just a feature ;) I am sure > you get the point. > > HND > > KatolaZ > > -- > [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:44:10PM +0200, Stefan Krusche wrote: > Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: > > Thanks for confirming I am not going crazy (: I've been googling around > > to see if USB is a non-free firmware element and from what I can tell > > since loading firmware via USB seems to be the recommended way to load > > non-free drivers I doubt this is a licensing issue. From what I've read > > it appears intel and a few others gave USB 100% license free. Sooo is > > this just an overlooked driver from the release? > > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > The driver for USB is in the standard kernel. It just wasn't included in the > initrd created during my installation, at least not the one for the USB > keyboard, as I did the installation with another, old PS2 keyboard *and* > chose "only necessary drivers", not "generic", which includes all the > available drivers into the initrd, if I understand correctly. So, as no USB > was being used during install the installer included no USB drivers in > initrd, I think. In my case the problem didn't have anything to do with > licensing or non-available non-free software or something like that. > Hi Stefan, if you choose to install only the necessary drivers, you will be guaranteed to have only the drivers needed for the hardware present in the system at install time. That's the reason why you don't get USB modules in the initrd (which is exactly what I would expect to happen if I asked to include only the necessary drivers, TBH). I guess there is genuinely no bug here, just a feature ;) I am sure you get the point. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: > Thanks for confirming I am not going crazy (: I've been googling around > to see if USB is a non-free firmware element and from what I can tell > since loading firmware via USB seems to be the recommended way to load > non-free drivers I doubt this is a licensing issue. From what I've read > it appears intel and a few others gave USB 100% license free. Sooo is > this just an overlooked driver from the release? > > Cheers, > Mike The driver for USB is in the standard kernel. It just wasn't included in the initrd created during my installation, at least not the one for the USB keyboard, as I did the installation with another, old PS2 keyboard *and* chose "only necessary drivers", not "generic", which includes all the available drivers into the initrd, if I understand correctly. So, as no USB was being used during install the installer included no USB drivers in initrd, I think. In my case the problem didn't have anything to do with licensing or non-available non-free software or something like that. Regards, Stefan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Thanks for confirming I am not going crazy (: I've been googling around to see if USB is a non-free firmware element and from what I can tell since loading firmware via USB seems to be the recommended way to load non-free drivers I doubt this is a licensing issue. From what I've read it appears intel and a few others gave USB 100% license free. Sooo is this just an overlooked driver from the release? Cheers, Mike On 06/14/2018 02:15 AM, Stefan Krusche wrote: Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: Hello All, I've run this test both on Hyper-V VM install and a dedicated hardware install using a Dell R210ii, and the results are the same. If I do a new install using ASCII and use the default full disk encryption with LVM option - everything goes good, until the initial first boot. Upon boot up no matter what I do key presses don't register and no way to unlock the disk. I am using a USB keyboard, and I’ve tried a couple different models and the keyboard and configs i’m using have been fine going as far back as Ubuntu 12.04. I will try this with a legacy PS2 device if I can track one down this week, but my guess is no USB support from the busybox side. Cheers, Mike -- Michael McConnell WINK Streaming; email: mich...@winkstreaming.com toll free: 877-GO-4-WINK x 7400 direct: +1 312 281-5434 cell: +506 8706-2389 skype: wink-michael web: http://winkstreaming.com Hello Michael, I had this very same phenomenon. The reason in my case was, that the USB driver (general or for the keyboard I don't know) wasn't included in the initrd as I had used an old PS2 keyboard during installation. When the installer was about to generate initrd and asked wether to create a "generic" ramdisk or to use only the necessary drivers, I chose the latter. When later I restarted the machine with my plugged in shiny USB keyboard it wouldn't work as you described. With the old keyboard again I could enter crypt passphrase etc. and start the machine. I Plugged in the USB keyboard and recreated the initrd which solved the issue for me. Hope this helps, Stefan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Am Donnerstag 14 Juni 2018 schrieb Michael McConnell: > Hello All, > I've run this test both on Hyper-V VM install and a dedicated hardware > install using a Dell R210ii, and the results are the same. If I do a new > install using ASCII and use the default full disk encryption with LVM option > - everything goes good, until the initial first boot. Upon boot up no matter > what I do key presses don't register and no way to unlock the disk. I am > using a USB keyboard, and I’ve tried a couple different models and the > keyboard and configs i’m using have been fine going as far back as Ubuntu > 12.04. > I will try this with a legacy PS2 device if I can track one down this week, > but my guess is no USB support from the busybox side. > Cheers, > Mike > > -- > Michael McConnell > WINK Streaming; > email: mich...@winkstreaming.com > toll free: 877-GO-4-WINK x 7400 > direct: +1 312 281-5434 > cell: +506 8706-2389 > skype: wink-michael > web: http://winkstreaming.com > > Hello Michael, I had this very same phenomenon. The reason in my case was, that the USB driver (general or for the keyboard I don't know) wasn't included in the initrd as I had used an old PS2 keyboard during installation. When the installer was about to generate initrd and asked wether to create a "generic" ramdisk or to use only the necessary drivers, I chose the latter. When later I restarted the machine with my plugged in shiny USB keyboard it wouldn't work as you described. With the old keyboard again I could enter crypt passphrase etc. and start the machine. I Plugged in the USB keyboard and recreated the initrd which solved the issue for me. Hope this helps, Stefan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ascii LVM Encrypted Issue
Hello All, I've run this test both on Hyper-V VM install and a dedicated hardware install using a Dell R210ii, and the results are the same. If I do a new install using ASCII and use the default full disk encryption with LVM option - everything goes good, until the initial first boot. Upon boot up no matter what I do key presses don't register and no way to unlock the disk. I am using a USB keyboard, and I’ve tried a couple different models and the keyboard and configs i’m using have been fine going as far back as Ubuntu 12.04. I will try this with a legacy PS2 device if I can track one down this week, but my guess is no USB support from the busybox side. Cheers, Mike -- Michael McConnell WINK Streaming; email: mich...@winkstreaming.com toll free: 877-GO-4-WINK x 7400 direct: +1 312 281-5434 cell: +506 8706-2389 skype: wink-michael web: http://winkstreaming.com ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
