Re: [DNG] Devuan lightdm greeter

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-22 09:09, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:

On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?


I found it myown. It is not lightdm, it is slim with theme 
devuan-curve-purpy.


Jochen
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[DNG] Devuan lightdm greeter

[Joachim Fahrner]

On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter 
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?


Jochen


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society

[Jaromil]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Massimo Coppola wrote:

> Please don't ever take things personally, anyone: the boat moves too
> much and may topple, so we should _all_ stay sitting. It really does
> not matter who shook it first or most.

well said Massimo, thanks

it doesn't matter at all who is who. we are looking forward to some
understanding, with the most possible inclusion

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society

[Massimo Coppola]

Dear all

as a usually silent listener, I do understand the exceptional need for 
moderation.

Do not destroy the comunity with noise or completely not relevant topics: beyond 
some point this cannot be ignored, even in spite of useful tecnnical 
contribution, as it drives away more contributions. What Jaromil asked to Miro 
should really be taken seriously by everyone.


I also wish to say that this is not a fight arena or a market: we don't need to 
break even with each other, and if someone ends up moderated because he really 
crossed the line, it does not mean we all automatically gain the right to go in 
the same direction or that much far.


Please don't ever take things personally, anyone: the boat moves too much and 
may topple, so we should _all_ stay sitting. It really does not matter who shook 
it first or most.


Since I like to try and be coherent with what I suggest to you all, I will not 
comment further on the thread: I hope I made myself clear and I did not offend 
anyone. But in case you think I am mistaken and out of topic, feel free to put 
my address on your ignore list. It may be a good start.


Kind regards

Massimo

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Ron]

People,

Please stop replying, just apply the Del key.

Because unless the list gnomes apply the cluestick (or worse), nothing will 
stop those who want to continue with their OT rants, self-righteously claiming 
they can do so because someone else also did.
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Jaromil]

you were warned, now in moderation.

hope we are finished here?

I definitely do not love doing this...

to all newcomers please refer to this guide to understand what is
going on and how to respect this open space for discussion about
Devuan http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt especially the
one-to-many section.


The DNG mailinglist is the first campfire after the debianfork
declaration, it now counts more than 500 subscribers and is almost 4
years old.

Please do keep on topic, avoid personal attacks (also to developers of
systemd!!) and refrain from telling us your world view, because we are
many different people and we are not here to talk just about anything,
but about Devuan.

Any off-topic post accompained by disrespect for the diversity
gathered here won't be tolerated and sadly moderated. Please also
understand we do not love moderation nor have a dedicated staff for
it, so fuzz may happen and is acted upon with a certain delay.

ciao

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Adam Borowski]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 06:07:52PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> My mail was an ironical way to remind of historical facts related to
> Devuan and to repair the incredibly offensive words you wrote here,
> abusing our open space.
> 
> Beware I have zero tolerance on the subject you are now using to
> attack me ad-personam, a subject which is OT on Devuan and most
> importantly, an aggression against minorities, as you are waving the
> right for unconsensual treatment against them.
> 
> You are now moderated. I'm not even sure we'll have time to approve
> your mails. So long for your favorite ranting space and helpdesk.

Please tell me you're going to moderate extreme left views as well.
I for one find both bible-thumping and SJWery to be equally repulsive.
Neither has a place on a list devoted to discussing ways to fix regressions
caused by systemd.

And I hope you won't dismiss me without thinking -- while there's a lot more
I should have been doing, at least I'm not all talk, having contributed to
openrc, de-pulsification or my repository of de-systemdized packages.  I'd
prefer to have a place to ask for advice -- for example, it looks like
there's an important battle coming by related to replacing logind now that
-shim is falling apart (thus letting the systemd crowd claim a reason to
make GUIs systemd-only) -- but if this mailing list is going to turn into an
echo chamber for the extreme left, I don't think I'd be able to stay.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Fungi4All]

> From: goli...@dyne.org
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote:
>>> Meow!
>>
>> I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I
>> got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of
>> the team
>> that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common
>> interest
>> of the system under this specific philosophy . . .
> [political rant]
> Good grief. GET A GRIP! What you"re saying may be very true. BUT THIS
> IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. Please cultivate some restraint and THINK
> before posting if you want to continue to post here.
> golinux

YOU GET A GRIP among other things. I have been bombarded with crypto-nazi
propaganda for days and didn't say a word, and you are going to get strict with 
me!
Seriously, if something else bothered you say so, or get a mental health
advise or exercise restraint for who you choose to threaten of being silenced.
Go and look at the stats of how many emails I have received on the subject
before I chose to make a statement.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[golinux]

On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote:

Meow!


I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I
got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of 
the team
that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common 
interest

of the system under this specific philosophy . . .


[political rant]

Good grief.  GET A GRIP!  What you're saying may be very true.  BUT THIS 
IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT.   Please cultivate some restraint and THINK 
before posting if you want to continue to post here.


golinux




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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Fungi4All]

> Meow!

I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I got from
the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of the team that made
devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common interest of the
system under this specific philosophy (# of bugs is irrelevant if you want to
struggle under the same ideals as those diclared by founders).
Although I totally reject all symbolism as significant, color choices and 
symbols
have little to do with why we are here. On the other hand, and I am 
unfortunately
not gay, if such a rumor goes around and keeps out all kinds of fascists, 
authoritarians,
religious freaks, nationalists and all sorts of fanatic fans of anything, I 
will not
mind at all, nor will I be willing to participate in any such change.
I will have to think about it in more detail, but going to a gay parade with a 
rainbow
flag and a Devuan logo or t-shirt is within the scope of things I do. :)
If it pisses off systemd priesthood, google-nazis, mozilla-nationalists, and 
microsoft
cops, I am all for giving them heartache.
Unfortunately as stated above is that I am socially conditioned to fear to love 
or
be loved by a person of the same gender. It is a psychopathology that lucky gay
people don't have or they have overcome that fear. And I am dedicated to the
struggle of being free. Fortunately I did love my father and love my son, 
comfortably.
But "gender ideology", get a grip of yourselves.
There is nothing more conservative than not having an ideology, from being
middle of the road, or neutral. Were you neutral when the Turks exterminated
Armenians, when the Cypriots were exterminating Turks, when the Nazis
exterminated the Jews, or when the US invaded Serbia, or when Greek authorities
were murdering Syrian refugees trying to reach the coast? What in this world
is it that you don't care about and you are neutral about. 10 centuries of
English apartheid in Ireland maybe?
At least fascists have an alibi of having a belief, you have nothing, whoever 
you
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Jaromil]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

> I don't think, and I believe I speak here for a huge majority of
> people, I don't think they came to Devuan to be in anything like a
> gay club...

noone came here to read you ranting about homosexuals being sick and
in need of cure.

You started this, so now its your choice to end it here.

My mail was an ironical way to remind of historical facts related to
Devuan and to repair the incredibly offensive words you wrote here,
abusing our open space.

Beware I have zero tolerance on the subject you are now using to
attack me ad-personam, a subject which is OT on Devuan and most
importantly, an aggression against minorities, as you are waving the
right for unconsensual treatment against them.

You are now moderated. I'm not even sure we'll have time to approve
your mails. So long for your favorite ranting space and helpdesk.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Adam Borowski]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 03:11:16PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 + Miroslav Rovis 
>  wrote:
>
> I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not
> know when to stop digging ;-)

Actually, at this point I'd say it's Miroslav who's right (even though I
vehemently disagree with ideology he's pushing).  Basically, we have
proponents of two, extremely and about equally vile, worldviews, and one of
these sides doesn't stop hypocritically calling everyone bigots and
demanding them to stop talking while keeping promoting their side.
It's not to say the other is any better -- they have a history of using
violent means to silence opposition, up to and including genocide; I'm just
pointing out that it's the Left that's in force on this list.

And at this time, the Left has a near-monopoly on racism, sexism, and so on,
despite their own rhetoric.  The Right also has massive downsides (like,
keeping a coal plant of 30MV+ running just two days kills one human by
short-term pollution alone, not including long-term global warming), etc.
The total amount of evil on both sides is staggeringly high, and
surprisingly balanced.  I'd elaborate more but such a discussion would be
the worst idea if we want to turn down the flames.

Thus, I'd propose an, at least temporary, ban on issues not related to
getting rid of systemd and other software nastiness, running a distribution,
assorted _tech_ banter.  Even telling us your daughter damaged her bike by
driving onto a porcupine, while OOT, is harmless.

On the other hand, let's forbid discussing _here_ the matters of orange nazi
clowns vs the Mother of Lies, pushing leftist or rightist views of
sexuality, and so on, so on.  It's hard to have sex over a TCP/IP
connection, you see -- thus it's completely irrelevant to people not in your
proximity.

And I'm saying this as someone whose country is undergoing a coup by extreme
Right that's likely to leave us worse than Turkey -- so I don't love them
the slightest bit.  But let's have balance, and if polite discussion doesn't
seem to be possible, let's move such topics elsewhere.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[golinux]

On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote:

Hi there,

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote:


... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ...


Yeah, me too.

Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly,
taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my
time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to
unsubscribe and go back to Debian.  I'll make a note in my diary to
pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things
change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on
their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for.

I'm sorry it didn't work out.




On 2017-07-19 10:00, zap wrote:

I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better
structure for the mailing list...



No. We need more tolerance and compassion for those who are socially 
inept.  And also more self-restraint when the urge to post 
inappropriate, off-topic content to this list arises.


This list is not a chat room.  Or a soapbox.  What has been going on 
lately is not good for the community.  It's driving people away.  So 
please everyone . . . get a grip and THINK before you post.  Make those 
bytes count for something that will advance Devuan.  It is NOT about YOU 
- what you think or feel or believe - but what you can bring to Devuan 
in a constructive, collaborative way.


golinux

PS. Bottom posting is preferred on this list.








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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[zap]

> [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff]
>
> Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting
> long and mainly unrelated material of any sort?
>
> Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their
> heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of
> random rants about gender and conservatorism.
>
> Everything potentially interensting, but probably not that much at all
> for the large majority of the subscribers of *this* *list*, who are
> just focused on getting systemd out of their computers, and developing
> Devuan.
>
> You should probably consider opening a blog for that stuff, and stop
> infesting community mailing lists. 
>
> WithLove
>
> KatolaZ
>

I don't want to sound nasty, but if people want to leave this mailing
list because of problems, this isn't going to solve the problems. 

Instead of unsubscribing, contacting the admins to put a stop to this,
is much more of a solution.

they do say patience is a virtue after all... i see why in my own life...

but yeah... unsubscribing only helps the person who leaves. let's rally
for changes in the mailing list.  If this is an issue which I think it
may be... and i admit, i was guilty too... but i am willing to change
and so should everyone else who is involved.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 01:51:48PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted )
> 

[cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff]

Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting
long and mainly unrelated material of any sort?

Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their
heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of
random rants about gender and conservatorism.

Everything potentially interensting, but probably not that much at all
for the large majority of the subscribers of *this* *list*, who are
just focused on getting systemd out of their computers, and developing
Devuan.

You should probably consider opening a blog for that stuff, and stop
infesting community mailing lists. 

WithLove

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[zap]

I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better
structure for the mailing list...


On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote:
>
>> ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ...
>
> Yeah, me too.
>
> Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly,
> taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my
> time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to
> unsubscribe and go back to Debian.  I'll make a note in my diary to
> pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things
> change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on
> their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for.
>
> I'm sorry it didn't work out.
>

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Evilham]

Am 19/07/2017 um 16:11 schrieb Rowland Penny:
> Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they
> also have little to do with Devuan.

Thank you.

As far as anyone here is concerned, I'm a female humanoid lizzard
married to a human woman. And nobody should care.

Just quickly pointing out to d1g's (almost) no code of conduct; which
should probably apply everywhere:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[G.W. Haywood]

Hi there,

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote:


... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ...


Yeah, me too.

Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly,
taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my
time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to
unsubscribe and go back to Debian.  I'll make a note in my diary to
pop back in a year or so, if I should live that long, and hope things
change for the better - like people getting some sort of a grip on
their personalities and actually remembering what this list is for.

I'm sorry it didn't work out.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Dragan FOSS]

Devuandom


Welcome To The Pleasuredome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnvPCSP6Q8
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Rowland Penny]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 +
Miroslav Rovis  wrote:

> ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted )

Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they
also have little to do with Devuan.

I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not
know when to stop digging ;-)

Rowland
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[DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

[Miroslav Rovis]

( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted )

On 170718-08:31+0200, Jaromil wrote:
( https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170718.062527.b6650d9d.en.html )

> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, Antony Stone wrote:
( https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170716.192004.e25654db.en.html )

> > On Sunday 16 July 2017 at 19:55:21, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
( https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170716.185521.017ad951.en.html )

> > > P.S. I hope no one will produce any hatred of same-sex people out of my
> > > words above. By all means, pls. no!, I only regard those facts to be
> > > truthful as deemed, by a long standing majority, previously to that
> > > medical scientists vote, and false after that vote. IOW that the behavior
> > > of those people is an aberration, is a disease. Such people need help to
> > > get normal. But I don't hate them by any means. And I oppose any
> > > discrimination against them. They are of course human beings as any other
> > > human beings. With all the rights as any other human beings.

> > 1. What does this have to do with Devuan?
> 
> perhaps just one thing, that the first image this project ever
> released was a Valentine present, with attached a love declaration,
> between two men. it may be defined a platonic dev relationship, but
> definitely makes Devuan among the most gay distributions out there -
> and with a certain pride! :^D
> 
> ciao

To what extent is the above statement by one of the unelected-as-yet leaders',
if not _the leader_
(
and that unelectedness is still fine, but I don't think it can remain fine
forever; Jaromil, pls. see the quotes of your own publicly written statement
(of sorts) of intents further below...
)

To what extent is the above statement of one of our leaders' if not the
leader's, explicit support of gender ideology, and to what extent is it --and
if so, to what purpose?-- an lighthearted banter which carries no other meaning
but good-natured teasing?

The question is not irrelevant, and the answer to is is not obvious. There are
lots of places where gender idiology is dominant, there are places on the
internet where any conservative views are banned...

And I sicerely hope Devuan is not going towards adopting a model of such a
transformation for itself, and attempting to pull along all the momentum of the
movement that it started into such a transformation.

People come to Devuan because of its promise of init-freedom, because they are
sick with SystemDestruction and Poetterware.

I don't think, and I believe I speak here for a huge majority of people, I
don't think they came to Devuan to be in anything like a gay club...

It's fine to get an (alegorical) liberal club in Devuan, and make a compartment
in the liberal club for gays. (I sure won't be one of the visitors there, but
it's fine.)

But then it *must* also be fine to get a conservative club, and open, say, a
Bible-study compartment in that conservative club, in this alegorical
Devuandom.

None of that, however, would be fine (not the gay compartment in the liberal
club, neither my preferred alegorical Bible-study compartment in the
conservative club, I admit) if the Devuan Leaders were to be forcing that
club's views, be it liberal or conservative, and especially not the extreme
liberal which is the gender idiology, and neither the steadfast conservative
approach like mine, I agree...

None of that, however, would be fine if the Devuan Leaders would be forcing any
of that, either liberal or conservative views, let alone gender idiology, such
as, just to make a very clear example on both, such as promoting and declaring
Devuan as being something like a gay club, or, say, recommending Bible-study to
all the newbies, God forbid!... [None of that, however, would be fine if the
Devuan Leaders were to force any of that] onto the users/testers/developers!

I don't want to be in the (alegorical) gay club. And I'm just fine you not
wanting to be in my (alegorical) Bible-study group.

But pls. do not impose gender idiology to people who only want the promised
init-freedom and freedom from poetterware. Believe in it if you want, but do
not expect and absolutely do not require me to believe in gender idiology.

As you can see, the rhetorical-to-be question turns out to have been a great
question.
> > 1. What does this have to do with Devuan?

All of this discussion has a lot to do with Devuan. If gay-supporting views are
allowed, for banter and ... pride (sic! ...), my reply page to the question
about Bible translations
(
the question:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170716.171824.9f2d2a33.en.html
the reply:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170716.185521.017ad951.en.html
)
should really not be disallowed and frowned upon either.

For mere sake of neutrality and the always-so-promptly declared, from the
liberal camp, principle of liberty of views, if not for any other reasons.

But the above thread really has to do a lot with Devuan, because these matters
need to be defined in a 

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 with Linux Pro

[Antony Stone]

On Monday 10 July 2017 at 10:04:59, KatolaZ wrote:

> Via @jaromil
> 
> http://www.sparkhaus-shop.com/uk/magazines/linux-magazine-linux-pro-magazin
> e/eh30201.html#

I'm pretty sure Devuan is on that DVD because of the article about Devuan in 
the German lanugage version of the magazine:

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170705.223651.e4bf1129.en.html

They don't automatically translate all the articles, but I think they keep the 
DVD contents the same.


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[DNG] Devuan 1.0 with Linux Pro

[KatolaZ]

Via @jaromil

http://www.sparkhaus-shop.com/uk/magazines/linux-magazine-linux-pro-magazine/eh30201.html#

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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:15:11AM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:

[cut]

> 
> t@gdOv:/home/mr# ls -l /etc/apt/
> total 32
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  283 2017-07-03 18:15 apt.conf
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2017-06-29 19:48 apt.conf.d
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   99 2017-05-15 23:23 listchanges.conf

[cut]

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  build-essential : Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
> libc-dev
>Depends: g++ (>= 4:6.3) but it is not going to be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
> 
> So, I do have issues and broken packages...
> 


Hi Miroslav,

you must have mixed Devuan repos with other sources (either now or in
the past). Please check. If this is the case, one way to get back to a
proper Devuan ASCII is by following the same procedure detailed here:

  https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170628.160400.b98c6ead.en.html

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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170705-01:42+0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 23:22 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> > On 170704-17:40+0200, Gionni FireGarden wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Once these are done some day soon, it will contribute for Devuan
> > becoming such
> > fuzzy purple kind gentle and mighty beautiful beast...
> 
> > And (I had this below and other build-and-compile-necessary packages
> > previously, but lost in so much apt-'ing in this meantime)...
> > 
> > # apt-get install build-essential
> 
> On my ascii box:
> build-essential is already the newest version (12.3).
> build-essential set to manually installed.
> 
> Did you add to /etc/apt/sources.list?
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main 
> 

t@gdOv:/home/mr# ls -l /etc/apt/
total 32
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  283 2017-07-03 18:15 apt.conf
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2017-06-29 19:48 apt.conf.d
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   99 2017-05-15 23:23 listchanges.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  212 2017-06-23 22:41 preferences
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2017-06-23 22:47 preferences.d
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  124 2017-06-29 19:10 sources.list
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2017-06-30 15:54 sources.list.d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2017-06-21 08:40 trusted.gpg.d
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# Devuan repositories
deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
devuan-ascii.list  devuan.listjessie-backports.list  
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list 
# autogenerated by devuan-baseconf
# decomment following lines to  enable the developers devuan repository
deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii main
deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii main
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-ascii.list 
# /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-ascii.list
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jessie-backports.list 
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free
# 

And to get the shorter output (which I had sent to the list) I simply remove
the below, which if it is in place:
# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
Debug::pkgProblemResolver "on";
#Debug::pkgDPkgPM "on";
Debug::Acquire::ftp "on";
Debug::Acquire::http "on";
Debug::Acquire::gpgv "on";
Debug::BuildDeps "on";
Debug::Hashes "on";
InstallProgress::Fancy "off";
Binary::apt::DPkg::Progress-Fancy "off";
AllowInsecureRepositories "off";
#

get's this:

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
Starting pkgProblemResolver with broken count: 2
Starting 2 pkgProblemResolver with broken count: 2
Investigating (0) build-essential:amd64 < none -> 12.3 @un puN Ib >
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc6-dev:amd64 < none | 2.24-11 @un uH 
>
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Reinst Failed early because of libc6:amd64
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc-dev:amd64 < none @un H >
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Investigating (0) libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 < none -> 6.3.0-18 @un uN Ib >
Broken libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 Depends on libc6-dev:amd64 < none | 2.24-11 @un uH 
> (>= 2.13-5)
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 0
  Holding Back libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 rather than change libc6-dev:amd64
Investigating (1) build-essential:amd64 < none -> 12.3 @un puN Ib >
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc6-dev:amd64 < none | 2.24-11 @un uH 
>
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc-dev:amd64 < none @un H >
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Investigating (1) g++-6:amd64 < none -> 6.3.0-18 @un uN Ib >
Broken g++-6:amd64 Depends on libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 < none | 6.3.0-18 @un uH > 
(= 6.3.0-18)
  Considering libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 0 as a solution to g++-6:amd64 0
  Holding Back g++-6:amd64 rather than change libstdc++-6-dev:amd64
Investigating (1) g++:amd64 < none -> 4:6.3.0-4 @un uN Ib >
Broken g++:amd64 Depends on g++-6:amd64 < none | 6.3.0-18 @un uH > (>= 6.3.0-9~)
  Considering g++-6:amd64 0 as a solution to g++:amd64 0
  Holding Back g++:amd64 rather than change g++-6:amd64
Investigating (2) build-essential:amd64 < none -> 12.3 @un puN Ib >
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc6-dev:amd64 < none | 2.24-11 @un uH 
>
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Broken build-essential:amd64 Depends on libc-dev:amd64 < none @un H >
  Considering libc6-dev:amd64 2 as a solution to build-essential:amd64 1
Broken 

Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Svante Signell]

On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 23:22 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> On 170704-17:40+0200, Gionni FireGarden wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Once these are done some day soon, it will contribute for Devuan
> becoming such
> fuzzy purple kind gentle and mighty beautiful beast...

> And (I had this below and other build-and-compile-necessary packages
> previously, but lost in so much apt-'ing in this meantime)...
> 
> # apt-get install build-essential

On my ascii box:
build-essential is already the newest version (12.3).
build-essential set to manually installed.

Did you add to /etc/apt/sources.list?
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main 

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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Gionni FireGarden]

yes!
we are improving that!
i'm updating the testing website every 12 hours so you can see all
improving.
I will add other release and after that i go through your list here.


today: Free search added, with counts of package for section, and release
[by now only jessie], navigation by release or sections.
i create database structure for sources, and fixed [and completed] the
packages one.
I made a bit of bash script to easily dump/move/whatever the application
and all data.

@jaromil: yes i see the script today and i'm forking a bit :D
@golinux: absolutely yes! it's just a testing env and i used that domain
just to quickly show you this thing.


sorry if we are not very fast but we are doing that in our free time.

thanks all for the feedback!


firegarden

2017-07-04 10:22 GMT+02:00 KatolaZ :

> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 01:13:47AM +0200, Gionni FireGarden wrote:
> > hi all!
> > by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org or
> packages.ubuntu.com
> > so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
> > We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a primitive
> > Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are improving day by
> > day.
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > you can find what we have done here
> > http://devuanpackages.viralds.it
> >
> > do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
> > if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)
>
> Hi Firegarden,
>
> thank you very much for your effort, and for this very nice
> proof-of-concept. I think it is definitely a good step in the right
> direction, and something much required by the Devuan community. As I
> told you in private, among the several things that could/should be
> included are:
>
> 0) suite (release) information (and lists by suite)
>
> 1) source package information
>
> 2) actual "Contents" stuff (we should liaise with parazyd/Dan on this
> point)
>
> 3) links to the Devuan/Debian VCS page
>
> 4) maybe a flag to say whether the package is originally from Debian,
> has been forked from Debian, or is a native Devuan one.
>
> Great work, indeed.
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:17:14 -0400, Ismael wrote in message 
:

> First of all, excuse my little knowledge of the subject.
> 
> The next site is not what you are asking for?
> http://packages.devuan.gatuno.mx/

..you would need to drop the Debian graphics and use ours, and, 
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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

First of all, excuse my little knowledge of the subject.

The next site is not what you are asking for?
http://packages.devuan.gatuno.mx/

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Gionni FireGarden 
  To: dng@lists.dyne.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:13 PM
  Subject: [DNG] devuan packages explorer


  hi all!
  by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com 
so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
  We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a primitive 
Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are improving day by day.
  The system is composed by a python parser job that import all packages info 
from apt lists files into a mariadb and a bit of php to render that on web.
  No framework used, no ORM: we create little libs for db and templating [to 
avoid spaghetti code], very KISS & DRY so it will be easy mantain this code... 
i hope :D


  you can find what we have done here
  http://devuanpackages.viralds.it


  do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
  if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)

  thanks to all for the great work with devuan.




  firegarden


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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

First of all, excuse my little knowledge of the subject.

The next site is not what you are asking for?
http://packages.devuan.gatuno.mx/

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Gionni FireGarden 
  To: dng@lists.dyne.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:13 PM
  Subject: [DNG] devuan packages explorer


  hi all!
  by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com 
so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
  We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a primitive 
Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are improving day by day.
  The system is composed by a python parser job that import all packages info 
from apt lists files into a mariadb and a bit of php to render that on web.
  No framework used, no ORM: we create little libs for db and templating [to 
avoid spaghetti code], very KISS & DRY so it will be easy mantain this code... 
i hope :D


  you can find what we have done here
  http://devuanpackages.viralds.it


  do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
  if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)

  thanks to all for the great work with devuan.




  firegarden


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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Jaromil]

many thanks to Firegarden and your hacker friend at Viral DS!

I see it already as a prototype, more than a POC, as I assume the
underlying code doesn't needs to be rewritten

Q: Do you share the python parser code with parazyd's amprolla3?

On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, goli...@dyne.org wrote:

> IMO, it would be better to have that DB on a separate site with its
> own url (good for search engines) that could be linked to from
> devuan.org and other Devuan related sites.

sure, we will do this and once enough concerns and suggestions are
addressed we can have this site on packages.devuan.org

hurray \o/

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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 01:13:47AM +0200, Gionni FireGarden wrote:
> hi all!
> by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com
> so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
> We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a primitive
> Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are improving day by
> day.

[cut]

> 
> you can find what we have done here
> http://devuanpackages.viralds.it
> 
> do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
> if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)

Hi Firegarden,

thank you very much for your effort, and for this very nice
proof-of-concept. I think it is definitely a good step in the right
direction, and something much required by the Devuan community. As I
told you in private, among the several things that could/should be
included are:

0) suite (release) information (and lists by suite)

1) source package information

2) actual "Contents" stuff (we should liaise with parazyd/Dan on this
point)

3) links to the Devuan/Debian VCS page

4) maybe a flag to say whether the package is originally from Debian,
has been forked from Debian, or is a native Devuan one.

Great work, indeed. 

HND

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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[golinux]

On 2017-07-03 18:13, Gionni FireGarden wrote:

hi all!
by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org [1] or
packages.ubuntu.com [2] so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a
primitive Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are
improving day by day.
The system is composed by a python parser job that import all packages
info from apt lists files into a mariadb and a bit of php to render
that on web.
No framework used, no ORM: we create little libs for db and templating
[to avoid spaghetti code], very KISS & DRY so it will be easy mantain
this code... i hope :D

you can find what we have done here
http://devuanpackages.viralds.it [3]

do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)

thanks to all for the great work with devuan.

firegarden

Links:
--
[1] http://packages.debian.org
[2] http://packages.ubuntu.com
[3] http://devuanpackages.viralds.it




I heard that this was in the works.  Yes, it is much needed.  But I 
don't see it as part of the main website.  IMO, it would be better to 
have that DB on a separate site with its own url (good for search 
engines) that could be linked to from devuan.org and other Devuan 
related sites.  I would also vote for a sparser, more compact look with 
the nav bar linking to various aspects of the DB structure.


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Re: [DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Ozi Traveller]

Awesome I've been hoping for this to happen! :)

A filtering function would also be good eg. release=ascii, architecture=i386

ozi

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Evilham  wrote:

> Hey!
>
> Am 04/07/2017 um 1:13 schrieb Gionni FireGarden:
> > The system is composed by a python parser job that import all packages
> > info from apt lists files into a mariadb and a bit of php to render that
> > on web.
> > No framework used, no ORM: we create little libs for db and templating
> > [to avoid spaghetti code], very KISS & DRY so it will be easy mantain
> > this code... i hope :D
> >
> > you can find what we have done here
> > http://devuanpackages.viralds.it
> >
> > do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
> > if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)
> >
> > thanks to all for the great work with devuan.
>
> Quite cool! I was just asking about this yesterday and intended to give
> it a shot at some point ^^.
>
> A couple remarks:
> - Packages are not sorted alphabetically, which makes for a weird
> navigation.
> - It'd be useful to show the package version as well. See:
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/148
> - A search function would also be quite useful :-).
> - Probably showing a box for each page makes not much sense, I think the
> usual solution for this is a few buttons for pages around the current
> one and an input field that allows the user to write which page they
> want to visit.
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[DNG] devuan packages explorer

[Gionni FireGarden]

hi all!
by now we don't have a place like packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com
so i create with a friend a PoC for that.
We work on this idea just two nights, after work: it's really a primitive
Proof of Concept so please be merciful [gh], but we are improving day by
day.
The system is composed by a python parser job that import all packages info
from apt lists files into a mariadb and a bit of php to render that on web.
No framework used, no ORM: we create little libs for db and templating [to
avoid spaghetti code], very KISS & DRY so it will be easy mantain this
code... i hope :D

you can find what we have done here
http://devuanpackages.viralds.it

do you like the idea? and this primitive implementation?
if you have any hints or suggests or bad words: we are here :)

thanks to all for the great work with devuan.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan download mirrors

[golinux]

On 2017-06-26 01:26, KatolaZ wrote:

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:

Hi.

Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting 
up

another official Devuan mirror?



Hi Antony,

if it's an ISO mirror, then the instructions are reported below:

  https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt

If it's a repo mirror you are talking about, then please contact
either jaromil, or Centurion, or me on #devuan-dev (freenet).

HND

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While we're on the subject of mirrors can someone please respond to 
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https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170624.175633.3cc63cea.en.html

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Re: [DNG] Devuan download mirrors

[Antony Stone]

On Monday 26 June 2017 at 08:26:30, KatolaZ wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting up
> > another official Devuan mirror?
> 
> if it's an ISO mirror, then the instructions are reported below:
> 
>   https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt
> 
> If it's a repo mirror you are talking about, then please contact
> either jaromil, or Centurion, or me on #devuan-dev (freenet).

Aha, thanks, just what I needed.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan download mirrors

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting up 
> another official Devuan mirror?
> 

Hi Antony,

if it's an ISO mirror, then the instructions are reported below:

  https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt

If it's a repo mirror you are talking about, then please contact
either jaromil, or Centurion, or me on #devuan-dev (freenet).

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[DNG] Devuan download mirrors

[Antony Stone]

Hi.

Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting up 
another official Devuan mirror?

Thanks,


Antony.

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Re: [DNG] devuan is getting used

[Hendrik Boom]

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 08:21:44AM -0400, Gary Olzeke wrote:
> We have made several relevant modifications in Q4OS Orion to be
> ready for installation under other Debian based operating systems, so
> anyone is now enabled to gain Q4OS Orion based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Xenial
> Xerus as well as Devuan Jessie, see Q4OS based on Ubuntu

Nice they mention Devuan explicitly.  We are starting to be recognised 
as significant instead of just being significant. 

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[DNG] devuan is getting used

[Gary Olzeke]

I followed /installed q4os for about 9 months - it is a TrinityDE - kind of
nice.
here is the announcement on their latest release  -q4os.org ::
will be interesting to see how they put GTK+3 on a non-systemd platform!!
Q4OS 1.8.6, Orion 14 June, 2017 We announce the release of a new Q4OS Orion
version. Q4OS GTK+3 themes has been significantly improved in this version,
supporting Google Chrome 59, which has definitively moved to GTK+3
libraries. We have made several relevant modifications in Q4OS Orion to be
ready for installation under other Debian based operating systems, so
anyone is now enabled to gain Q4OS Orion based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Xenial
Xerus as well as Devuan Jessie, see Q4OS based on Ubuntu
 and Q4OS setup on Devuan
. More under the hood
improvements and Q4OS specific fixes are delivered as well. All the updates
are immediately available for existing Q4OS users from the regular Q4OS
repositories.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

I have finally migrated my first DigitalOcean droplet from Debian 7.11
Wheezy to Devuan 1.0 Jessie, and everything worked like a charm! Thank
folks for encouraging me to do it ;)

A production server on a Tuesday the 13th (it's the Friday the 13th for
Latin Americans), call me crazy.

The only thing I needed to do was to install the right keyboard layout for
the console:

dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- not sure if this was needed but I just
selected my right locale es_AR.UTF-8
apt-get install console-data
loadkeys es

This way I could type correctly inside the serial console.

Thanks for your help and support.

Cheers,
Emiliano.



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> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 01:29:27PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > Interesting, were they Debian 7 or 8?
> >
>
> They must have been Debian 7 (Wheezy).
>
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Hector Gonzalez]

On 06/07/2017 10:43 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian 
using custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos.


Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet?


I have several, some with DO's debian kernel, and others with devuan's 
kernel.


To boot devuan's kernel you just install the kernel package, and grub, 
and then select "DigitalOcean GrubLoader v0.2" from the droplet's kernel 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 01:29:27PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Interesting, were they Debian 7 or 8?
> 

They must have been Debian 7 (Wheezy).

My2Cents

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Interesting, were they Debian 7 or 8?

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:50 PM, KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 12:43:34PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian using
> > custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos.
> >
> > Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet?
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> I did migrate a couple of DO droplets to Devuan, about one year ago
> (maybe more), and have had no problems at all. I don't remember
> whether I have rebooted since the migration (the current uptime in one
> of them is more than 300 days), but I guess it would not be a problem
> since they seem to be using standard Debian kernels.
>
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Jaromil  wrote:

>
> dear Emiliano
>
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
>
>
> AFAIK the "DataCenterLight" by folks at ungleich in Switzerland runs
> completely on Devuan (also the host system), but from their webpage
> there is only Debian 8 offered as guest system on a VM. Not sure what
> is their stage and offer, but good to contact them about details.
>
> https://datacenterlight.ungleich.ch/en-us/datacenterlight
>
> ciao
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Jaromil]

dear Emiliano

On Wed, 07 Jun 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote:

>Hi all,
> 
>I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?


AFAIK the "DataCenterLight" by folks at ungleich in Switzerland runs
completely on Devuan (also the host system), but from their webpage
there is only Debian 8 offered as guest system on a VM. Not sure what
is their stage and offer, but good to contact them about details.

https://datacenterlight.ungleich.ch/en-us/datacenterlight

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 12:43:34PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian using
> custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos.
> 
> Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet?
> 

Hi,

I did migrate a couple of DO droplets to Devuan, about one year ago
(maybe more), and have had no problems at all. I don't remember
whether I have rebooted since the migration (the current uptime in one
of them is more than 300 days), but I guess it would not be a problem
since they seem to be using standard Debian kernels.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

Nice.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mdn  wrote:

>
>
> Le 07/06/2017 16:12, Emiliano Marini a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
> Vikings will probably
> https://store.vikings.net/crowdfunding-infos
> The VPS is a kvm/quemu VM
> >
> > I checked DO this week but they still doesn't support Devuan:
> >
> > https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-
> digitalocean/suggestions/9077653-support-devuan-distro
> >
> > I'm currently using a OpenVZ VPS and I can't migrate to Devuan. I would
> > love to have my VPS running Devuan. Maybe switching to a KVM full
> > virtualization VPS on my current provider (ramnode).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Emiliano.
> >
> >
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[mdn]

Le 07/06/2017 16:12, Emiliano Marini a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
Vikings will probably
https://store.vikings.net/crowdfunding-infos
The VPS is a kvm/quemu VM
> 
> I checked DO this week but they still doesn't support Devuan:
> 
> https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/9077653-support-devuan-distro
> 
> I'm currently using a OpenVZ VPS and I can't migrate to Devuan. I would
> love to have my VPS running Devuan. Maybe switching to a KVM full
> virtualization VPS on my current provider (ramnode).
> 
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

Yep, but often they compile and ship they're own flavours of Debian using
custom kernels, and pointing apt to their own repos.

Have someone tried a migration to Devuan on a DigitalOcean droplet?

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Adam Borowski  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 12:09:54PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > >> I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
> > >
> > > You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this
> guide:
> > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/
> > > wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan
> >
> > Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or custom
> > kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a full
> > virtualisation platform.
>
> Only if you'd want your own kernel.  Debian/Devuan has pretty loose
> requirements for the kernel: for jessie, it needs to be 2.6.32+, and unless
> you run systemd, only a few config options are required.
>
> And then, requirements for a vserver/openvz/lxc guest are way less sharp
> than for the host.
>
> Case in point: my only Devuan install is inside a lxc VM, on kernel
> 4.12.0-rc3 + a crapload of patches, own config, built with a compiler not
> even in jessie (nor in stretch), yet everything seems to work fine.
>
> And Devuan's kernel is bit-for-bit identical to that shipped with Debian:
> it's not even recompiled.
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-07 17:09, schrieb Emiliano Marini:

Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or 
custom kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a 
full virtualisation platform.




Look for a hoster that uses KVM. Here in Germany there are lots of them.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or custom
kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a full
virtualisation platform.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Joachim Fahrner  wrote:

> Am 2017-06-07 16:12, schrieb Emiliano Marini:
>
> Hi all,
>>
>> I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
>>
>
> You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this guide:
> https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/
> wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan
>
> I did this with my VPS.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-07 16:12, schrieb Emiliano Marini:


Hi all,

I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?


You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this 
guide:

https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan

I did this with my VPS.
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[DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Emiliano Marini]

Hi all,

I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?

I checked DO this week but they still doesn't support Devuan:

https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/9077653-support-devuan-distro

I'm currently using a OpenVZ VPS and I can't migrate to Devuan. I would
love to have my VPS running Devuan. Maybe switching to a KVM full
virtualization VPS on my current provider (ramnode).

Cheers,
Emiliano.
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[DNG] Devuan Article

[Vernon Geiszler]

Just read a brief article at It's Foss.

https://itsfoss.com/devuan-1-jessie/

Vernon
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Didier Kryn]

Le 26/05/2017 à 17:56, Joel Roth a écrit :

On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:21:26 +0200
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:


Dear Init Freedom Lovers,

(...)

It has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.

I consider myself fortunate to have a stable Linux
distribution based on Debian offering all the software I need
without the complexities, vagaries and cognitive overhead of
a new, unwanted and invasive init+world framework.

I am grateful for the sustained contributions of Devuan
developers and all those who have participated in the
process of disentangling a Unix model software ecosystem
from an RPC based framework with an opaque developers'
agenda that eviscerates the Unix security model.

I send a big THANK YOU to Devuan community, of which
I am proud to be a part.



Well said.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS]

[Boruch Baum]

Congratulations!

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Joel Roth]

> On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:21:26 +0200
> Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
> 
> > Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
(...)
> > It has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
> > present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.

I consider myself fortunate to have a stable Linux
distribution based on Debian offering all the software I need
without the complexities, vagaries and cognitive overhead of
a new, unwanted and invasive init+world framework. 

I am grateful for the sustained contributions of Devuan
developers and all those who have participated in the
process of disentangling a Unix model software ecosystem
from an RPC based framework with an opaque developers'
agenda that eviscerates the Unix security model.

I send a big THANK YOU to Devuan community, of which 
I am proud to be a part.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:21:26 +0200
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:

> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
> we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
> has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
> present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.

But. But, but...

I was assured by all the journalists and all the practical people that
Devuan was just a bluff by greybeard bragadoccios, and would never
result in a stable distribution.

Now I'm going to need to email my local LUG and my Publishers Mailing
List and tell them that there's a simple to install and admin Linux
with a reasonable architecture. All the work you guys make me do!

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Hleb Valoshka]

On 5/26/17, KatolaZ  wrote:

>> I'm really, really disappointed as no fixes from
>> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.130756.f871600a.en.html
>> are in.
...
> Anyone is more than welcome to contribute patches or new sanitised
> packages following that workflow. Just please double-check since some
> of those packages you were mentioning are already in jessie-proposed.

apt-cacher-ng only actually.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:57:49PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote:
> On 5/25/17, Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
> 
> > Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
> > we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
> > has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
> > present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
> 
> I'm really, really disappointed as no fixes from
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.130756.f871600a.en.html
> are in.

Hi Hleb,

we have a workflow in place to contribute packages, which is briefly
explained here:

  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549

Anyone is more than welcome to contribute patches or new sanitised
packages following that workflow. Just please double-check since some
of those packages you were mentioning are already in jessie-proposed.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[devuanfanboy]

Huzzah! Well done on the stable release.
 
On Thursday, May 25, 2017 6:21 PM, Veteran Unix Admins 
 wrote:

 

Dear Init Freedom Lovers,

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Svante Signell]

On Thu, 2017-05-25 at 20:21 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

Thanks a lot for your effort on this release, jessie. I'm really
looking forward to the next, ascii. I will definitely be part of the
packaging team by then with useful contributions :)

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Jim Murphy]

Congratulations to all involved.  Torrent download went well(under 1hr
15mins
​ via cable​
) for all files(lots of peers).  Seeding now. At the current rate I should
bump my ratio up(again). I'll take that as a good sign. DistroWatch
 was quick to post the update.

Again, congratulations!

Jim
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Gregory Nowak]

Awesome, and great news! The torrent is downloading as I type, and I
plan to seed all of it 24/7. Thanks to all those who made Jessie
possible.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[golinux]

On 2017-05-25 15:27, Nate Bargmann wrote:

Congratulations!

A few months ago I had concluded the project was moribund, if not 
almost

dead.  Nice way to prove me wrong.

- Nate



If you had been in the trenches with us you would have concluded 
otherwise.  Feel free to jump in for the ASCII ride. . .  :)


golinux

PS.  Note about ASCII . . . In the list of minor planets - 
http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.html - ASCII is 
capitalized.  We've been a little sloppy about that but will follow that 
naming in our future communications.  Filenames will still be lower 
case, of course.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Nate Bargmann]

Congratulations!

A few months ago I had concluded the project was moribund, if not almost
dead.  Nice way to prove me wrong.

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Alberto Zuin - Liste]

YEAH!


On 05/25/2017 07:21 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
> we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
> has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
> present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.
>
> There have been no significant bug reports since Devuan Jessie
> RC2 was announced only three weeks ago and the list of release
> critical bugs is now empty. So finally Devuan Jessie Stable is
> ready for release!  As promised, this will also be a
> Long-Term-Support (LTS) release. Our team will participate in
> providing patches, security updates, and release upgrades beyond
> the planned lifespan of Debian Jessie.
>
> A lot of appreciation has been coming our way in the last few
> weeks.  And now with this Stable release we anticipate that even
> the most skeptical among private and enterprise users will
> finally be ready to jump on the Devuan train.
>
> Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable is a major milestone in the new path
> drawn by the Devuan project and its development has provided an
> opportunity to lay down a strong foundation for the Devuan
> community. In the last two years we have put in place a powerful
> infrastructure to support the development and growth of Devuan,
> which now includes:
>
> - Source management 
> - Continuous integration 
> - Bug tracking 
> - User forum 
> - Package statistics and analysis 
>
> During the Jessie release cycle we have strenghtened and
> optimised these services and also migrated to more powerful
> hardware to cope with the increased loads we have experienced.
>
> The ambitious plan to provide a no-nonsense universal GNU+Linux
> distribution does not stop here - it extends beyond this release.
>
> Our main development efforts will now turn to Devuan ASCII (Minor
> Planet #3568), which will be the next stable release. We are
> confident that the preliminary ASCII ISOs could be available for
> testing soon. Beyond ASCII - the saga of Beowulf (Minor Planet
> #38086) appropriately mirrors the path we have taken.  :^)
>
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan
> Jessie 1.0.0 Stable on your computer and to upgrade from Debian
> 7 (Wheezy) or Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan
> Jessie RC2, a simple `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be
> enough to get the latest updates.
>
>
> ## Download (for new installs)
>
> Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
> 
>
> To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of
> the following mirrors
>
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - 
> - ftp://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan
> - ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan
> - rsync: mirror.leaseweb.com::devuan
> - rsync: ftp.nluug.nl::devuan
> - rsync: mirror.alpix.eu::devuan
>
> Note: For off-line installations we recommend using the DVD image
> or the live images, not the /installer-iso images. For on-line
> installations please use the NETINST images.
>
> (The use of the CD image is not recommended, since the iso does
> not contain enough applications to make it useful in any off-line
> circumstance.)
>
> All files offered for download come with their SHA256 hash to
> check the integrity (either in the `SHA256SUMS` or in the .sha
> files) and with a cryptographic signature made using GnuPG by one
> of the Devuan developers in charge of the build, included as .asc
> file.
>
> An understanding of Devuan's script-friendly file naming scheme and
> directory structure will help you find what you need:
> 
>
> ## Upgrade (for existing installations)
>
> Devuan Jessie Stable can be adopted as a flawless upgrade path from
> both Debian 7 (Wheezy) and Debian 8 (Jessie). This is a main goal for
> the Devuan Jessie stable release and has proven to be a very stable
> operation every time it has been performed. Detailed installation and
> upgrade instructions are available including translations:
> 
>
> The Devuan Apt package repositories are:
>
> ```
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged 

[DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

[Veteran Unix Admins]

Dear Init Freedom Lovers,

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

Many of you might remember November 2014 when we announced that
we were going to fork Debian. Well, we have done exactly that. It
has been a long process, but now over two years later, we proudly
present Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable.

There have been no significant bug reports since Devuan Jessie
RC2 was announced only three weeks ago and the list of release
critical bugs is now empty. So finally Devuan Jessie Stable is
ready for release!  As promised, this will also be a
Long-Term-Support (LTS) release. Our team will participate in
providing patches, security updates, and release upgrades beyond
the planned lifespan of Debian Jessie.

A lot of appreciation has been coming our way in the last few
weeks.  And now with this Stable release we anticipate that even
the most skeptical among private and enterprise users will
finally be ready to jump on the Devuan train.

Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable is a major milestone in the new path
drawn by the Devuan project and its development has provided an
opportunity to lay down a strong foundation for the Devuan
community. In the last two years we have put in place a powerful
infrastructure to support the development and growth of Devuan,
which now includes:

- Source management 
- Continuous integration 
- Bug tracking 
- User forum 
- Package statistics and analysis 

During the Jessie release cycle we have strenghtened and
optimised these services and also migrated to more powerful
hardware to cope with the increased loads we have experienced.

The ambitious plan to provide a no-nonsense universal GNU+Linux
distribution does not stop here - it extends beyond this release.

Our main development efforts will now turn to Devuan ASCII (Minor
Planet #3568), which will be the next stable release. We are
confident that the preliminary ASCII ISOs could be available for
testing soon. Beyond ASCII - the saga of Beowulf (Minor Planet
#38086) appropriately mirrors the path we have taken.  :^)

Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan
Jessie 1.0.0 Stable on your computer and to upgrade from Debian
7 (Wheezy) or Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan
Jessie RC2, a simple `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be
enough to get the latest updates.


## Download (for new installs)

Official Devuan images are distributed via the website


To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of
the following mirrors

- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- 
- ftp://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan
- ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan
- rsync: mirror.leaseweb.com::devuan
- rsync: ftp.nluug.nl::devuan
- rsync: mirror.alpix.eu::devuan

Note: For off-line installations we recommend using the DVD image
or the live images, not the /installer-iso images. For on-line
installations please use the NETINST images.

(The use of the CD image is not recommended, since the iso does
not contain enough applications to make it useful in any off-line
circumstance.)

All files offered for download come with their SHA256 hash to
check the integrity (either in the `SHA256SUMS` or in the .sha
files) and with a cryptographic signature made using GnuPG by one
of the Devuan developers in charge of the build, included as .asc
file.

An understanding of Devuan's script-friendly file naming scheme and
directory structure will help you find what you need:


## Upgrade (for existing installations)

Devuan Jessie Stable can be adopted as a flawless upgrade path from
both Debian 7 (Wheezy) and Debian 8 (Jessie). This is a main goal for
the Devuan Jessie stable release and has proven to be a very stable
operation every time it has been performed. Detailed installation and
upgrade instructions are available including translations:


The Devuan Apt package repositories are:

```
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main
```

We provide access to our package repository also via Tor:

```
deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie  main
deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie-updates  main
deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged 

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 09:17:00AM +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote:
> Hi
> 
> - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
>   and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
>   packages from running live images is provided in /root
> 
> Does this also mean that the non-free packages are in the non-free repo?
> 

Hi Ozi,

yes, non-free packages are in the non-free repo.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Ozi Traveller]

Hi

- free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
  and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
  packages from running live images is provided in /root

Does this also mean that the non-free packages are in the non-free repo?

Ozi

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins 
wrote:

>
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
>
> The first RC was well-received in the press and in user reviews:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan\_1\_0\_0\_released/
>
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
>
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan Jessie
> 1.0.0 RC2 on your computer and to upgrade from Debian 7 (Wheezy) or
> Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan Jessie RC, a simple
> `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be enough to get the latest
> updates.
>
> As soon as Devuan Jessie stable is released, we will turn our
> attention to Devuan Ascii, the current development branch.
>
> We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
> development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
> useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
> community.
>
> # What has improved in RC2
>
> - Solved issues with signing keys -- All the keys used to sign
>   installation and live images are now listed at:
>
> https://devuan.org/os/team/
>
> - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
>   and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
>   packages from running live images is provided in /root
>
> - backports (bpo) repos are now correctly pinned at priority 100,
>   meaning that no package from backports will be automatically
>   installed
>
> - Added a systemd-free version of network-manager
>
> - New versions of reportbug, desktop-base, xfce4-panel
>
> - Several more libsystemd0-free packages are now included in the
>   jessie-proposed repo
>
> - Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These
>   three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is
>   complete, but they are known to suffer from some glitches due to the
>   lack of systemd
>
> - Fixed several minor bugs
>
> - A total of 29 different ARM boards are now supported, thanks to the
>   added support for u-boot:
>
> - Currently supported boards are:
>
> - Acer Chromebook (chromeacer)
> - Veyron/Rockchip Chromebook (chromeveyron)
> - Nokia N900 (n900)
> - Odroid XU (odroidxu)
> - Raspberry Pi 0 and 1 (raspi1)
> - Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (raspi2)
> - Raspberry Pi 3 - arm64 (raspi3)
>
> - Allwinner boards are now contained in a single image (sunxi),
>   and their respective U-Boot bootloader downloads are available
>   in the u-boot directory. The currently supported boards are:
>
> - Olimex: Lime (A10), Lime, Lime2, MICRO (A20)
> - Banana Pi: Pi, Pro (A20)
> - CHIP: CHIP (R8), CHIP Pro (GR8)
> - Cubieboard: Cubieboard (A10), Cubieboard2, Cubietruck (A20)
>   Cubieboard4 (A80), Cubietruck Plus (A83t)
> - Lamobo R1 (A20)
> - OrangePi: OrangePi2, OrangePi Lite, OrangePi Plus (H3)
>   OrangePi Zero (H2+), OrangePi, OrangePi Mini (A20)
> - Allwinner-based Tablet (A33)
>
> - More info on these boards can be found in the respective README
> files in the downloads directory
>
>   - Requests for any Allwinner board support can be sent to
>  or the #devuan-arm IRC channel - Preferably
> they should be supported in mainline Linux and mainline U-Boot
>
> # Anyone can help Devuan!
>
> Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from
> different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests.  Anyone
> can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable
> and reliable universal operating system.
>
> Here are some suggestions of how you can help Devuan grow and prosper:
>
> - If you think you have found a bug in a Devuan package, please report
>   it to http://bugs.devuan.org, either by using the `reportbug` tool
>   or directly via email
>
> - If you think you know how to fix an exiting bug, please report the
>   solution in the corresponding page on http://bugs.devuan.org, or,
>   better, roll-up your sleeves, implement the fix, and get in touch
>   with the development team on IRC (`#devuan-dev` on freenode) to have
>   your patch included in the official repos
>
> - If you would like a package to be included in Devuan, please
>   consider joining 

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Dan Purgert]

On 05/04/2017 11:54 PM, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> 
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
> 
Good deal!

Seems the links went a little crazy, and added a backslash to the
underscores ... though could be on my end.





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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:54:32 +0200, Veteran wrote in message 
<20170505035432.htqylwtk7bef35hn@reflex>:

> 
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
> happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
> feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
> step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
> 
> The first RC was well-received in the press and in user reviews:
> 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan\_1\_0\_0\_released/

..https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/devuan_release_candidate_2/

> 
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
> 
> Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan Jessie
> 1.0.0 RC2 on your computer and to upgrade from Debian 7 (Wheezy) or
> Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan Jessie RC, a simple
> `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be enough to get the latest
> updates.
> 
> As soon as Devuan Jessie stable is released, we will turn our
> attention to Devuan Ascii, the current development branch.
> 
> We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
> development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
> useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
> community.
> 
> # What has improved in RC2
> 
> - Solved issues with signing keys -- All the keys used to sign
>   installation and live images are now listed at:
> 
> https://devuan.org/os/team/
> 
> - free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
>   and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
>   packages from running live images is provided in /root
> 
> - backports (bpo) repos are now correctly pinned at priority 100,
>   meaning that no package from backports will be automatically
>   installed
> 
> - Added a systemd-free version of network-manager
> 
> - New versions of reportbug, desktop-base, xfce4-panel
> 
> - Several more libsystemd0-free packages are now included in the
>   jessie-proposed repo
> 
> - Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These
>   three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is
>   complete, but they are known to suffer from some glitches due to the
>   lack of systemd
> 
> - Fixed several minor bugs 
> 
> - A total of 29 different ARM boards are now supported, thanks to the
>   added support for u-boot:
> 
>   - Currently supported boards are:
> 
>   - Acer Chromebook (chromeacer)
> - Veyron/Rockchip Chromebook (chromeveyron)
> - Nokia N900 (n900)
> - Odroid XU (odroidxu)
> - Raspberry Pi 0 and 1 (raspi1)
> - Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (raspi2)
> - Raspberry Pi 3 - arm64 (raspi3)
> 
> - Allwinner boards are now contained in a single image (sunxi),
>   and their respective U-Boot bootloader downloads are available
>   in the u-boot directory. The currently supported boards are:
> 
> - Olimex: Lime (A10), Lime, Lime2, MICRO (A20)
> - Banana Pi: Pi, Pro (A20)
> - CHIP: CHIP (R8), CHIP Pro (GR8)
> - Cubieboard: Cubieboard (A10), Cubieboard2, Cubietruck (A20)
>   Cubieboard4 (A80), Cubietruck Plus (A83t)
> - Lamobo R1 (A20)
> - OrangePi: OrangePi2, OrangePi Lite, OrangePi Plus (H3)
>   OrangePi Zero (H2+), OrangePi, OrangePi Mini (A20)
> - Allwinner-based Tablet (A33)
> 
>   - More info on these boards can be found in the respective
> README files in the downloads directory
>   
>   - Requests for any Allwinner board support can be sent to
>  or the #devuan-arm IRC channel - Preferably
> they should be supported in mainline Linux and mainline U-Boot
> 
> # Anyone can help Devuan!
> 
> Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from
> different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests.  Anyone
> can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable
> and reliable universal operating system.
> 
> Here are some suggestions of how you can help Devuan grow and prosper:
> 
> - If you think you have found a bug in a Devuan package, please report
>   it to http://bugs.devuan.org, either by using the `reportbug` tool
>   or directly via email
> 
> - If you think you know how to fix an exiting bug, please report the
>   solution in the corresponding page on http://bugs.devuan.org, or,
>   better, roll-up your sleeves, implement the fix, and get in touch
>   with the development team on IRC (`#devuan-dev` on freenode) to have
>   your patch included in the official repos
>   
> - If you would like a package to be included in Devuan, please
>   consider joining the development team by taking charge of packaging
>   and maintaining it.  This documentation will guide you through the
>   

[DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2

[Veteran Unix Admins]

Dear Init Freedom Lovers,

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

Just two weeks after the release of Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC, we are
happy to announce Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 RC2. Thanks to the very good
feedback received from the community, this release candidate is one
step closer to our final Devuan stable release and our first long term
support (LTS) release as well.

The first RC was well-received in the press and in user reviews:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan\_1\_0\_0\_released/

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan

Please find below instructions to try out or install Devuan Jessie
1.0.0 RC2 on your computer and to upgrade from Debian 7 (Wheezy) or
Debian 8 (Jessie). If you are already using Devuan Jessie RC, a simple
`apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` will be enough to get the latest
updates.

As soon as Devuan Jessie stable is released, we will turn our
attention to Devuan Ascii, the current development branch.

We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
community.

# What has improved in RC2

- Solved issues with signing keys -- All the keys used to sign
  installation and live images are now listed at:

https://devuan.org/os/team/

- free and non-free firmware packages are now included in desktop-live
  and minimal-live isos. A script to remove all non-free firmware
  packages from running live images is provided in /root

- backports (bpo) repos are now correctly pinned at priority 100,
  meaning that no package from backports will be automatically
  installed

- Added a systemd-free version of network-manager

- New versions of reportbug, desktop-base, xfce4-panel

- Several more libsystemd0-free packages are now included in the
  jessie-proposed repo

- Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These
  three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is
  complete, but they are known to suffer from some glitches due to the
  lack of systemd

- Fixed several minor bugs 

- A total of 29 different ARM boards are now supported, thanks to the
  added support for u-boot:

- Currently supported boards are:

- Acer Chromebook (chromeacer)
- Veyron/Rockchip Chromebook (chromeveyron)
- Nokia N900 (n900)
- Odroid XU (odroidxu)
- Raspberry Pi 0 and 1 (raspi1)
- Raspberry Pi 2 and 3 (raspi2)
- Raspberry Pi 3 - arm64 (raspi3)

- Allwinner boards are now contained in a single image (sunxi),
  and their respective U-Boot bootloader downloads are available
  in the u-boot directory. The currently supported boards are:

- Olimex: Lime (A10), Lime, Lime2, MICRO (A20)
- Banana Pi: Pi, Pro (A20)
- CHIP: CHIP (R8), CHIP Pro (GR8)
- Cubieboard: Cubieboard (A10), Cubieboard2, Cubietruck (A20)
  Cubieboard4 (A80), Cubietruck Plus (A83t)
- Lamobo R1 (A20)
- OrangePi: OrangePi2, OrangePi Lite, OrangePi Plus (H3)
  OrangePi Zero (H2+), OrangePi, OrangePi Mini (A20)
- Allwinner-based Tablet (A33)

- More info on these boards can be found in the respective README
files in the downloads directory
  
  - Requests for any Allwinner board support can be sent to
 or the #devuan-arm IRC channel - Preferably
they should be supported in mainline Linux and mainline U-Boot

# Anyone can help Devuan!

Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from
different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests.  Anyone
can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable
and reliable universal operating system.

Here are some suggestions of how you can help Devuan grow and prosper:

- If you think you have found a bug in a Devuan package, please report
  it to http://bugs.devuan.org, either by using the `reportbug` tool
  or directly via email

- If you think you know how to fix an exiting bug, please report the
  solution in the corresponding page on http://bugs.devuan.org, or,
  better, roll-up your sleeves, implement the fix, and get in touch
  with the development team on IRC (`#devuan-dev` on freenode) to have
  your patch included in the official repos
  
- If you would like a package to be included in Devuan, please
  consider joining the development team by taking charge of packaging
  and maintaining it.  This documentation will guide you through the
  process: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549
  
- If you can provide documentation or translations in any language,
  please have a look at https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-doc
  
- If you have comments about the website and/or other public aspects
  of Devuan, please get in touch (contact jaromil 
  or golinux )
  
- If you have a lot of bandwidth, 

Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[KatolaZ]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:01:11AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:

[cut]

> > ..I disagree on your implied "just fallback", it's good enough as 
> > The Standard for production systems, has anyone seen it fail?
> 
> AFAIK no, but needs more battle-testing and experienced opinions
> before we reach a conclusion. Yours is certainly one more on the
> record. For "fallback" I mean as installed by default and, in absence
> of any other tool, inicated as the way to configure the network in
> Devuan. People may still prefer to use more graphical ways and for
> instance network-manager will also be working in ascii, I think is
> already into jessie-proposed or experimental thanks to CenturionDan.
> 

I agree that we must still battle-test it more extensively. We also
have to decide whether the changes made by setnet have to be
permanent. At this stage they are not, since it was devised as a
stateless network config tool for minimal-live. However, it would be
definitely possible to let it dump the current network configuration
somewhere (/etc/network/interfaces?).

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[Jaromil]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 00:13:43 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message 
> <20170426221343.5xrmd2uyhoxa3mmr@reflex>:
> 
> > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote:
> > 
> > > in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called
> > > "setnet.sh" which helps with basic network setup. It's not yet in
> > > the Devuan repos (and that's mainly my fault: wil put it in
> > > experimental tonight), but you can get the deb package here:
> > > 
> > >   http://kalos.mine.nu/setnet
> > 
> > this dialog based tool gives complete control on network settings
> > without any big requirement.
> > 
> > I'd go as far as saying that setnet should be the new network
> > configuration component for our installer starting from ascii: to be
> > used both in installation phase and as fallback for running systems.
> 
> ..I disagree on your implied "just fallback", it's good enough as 
> The Standard for production systems, has anyone seen it fail?

AFAIK no, but needs more battle-testing and experienced opinions
before we reach a conclusion. Yours is certainly one more on the
record. For "fallback" I mean as installed by default and, in absence
of any other tool, inicated as the way to configure the network in
Devuan. People may still prefer to use more graphical ways and for
instance network-manager will also be working in ascii, I think is
already into jessie-proposed or experimental thanks to CenturionDan.

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Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[Jaromil]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, KatolaZ wrote:

> in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called
> "setnet.sh" which helps with basic network setup. It's not yet in the
> Devuan repos (and that's mainly my fault: wil put it in experimental
> tonight), but you can get the deb package here:
> 
>   http://kalos.mine.nu/setnet

this dialog based tool gives complete control on network settings
without any big requirement.

I'd go as far as saying that setnet should be the new network
configuration component for our installer starting from ascii: to be
used both in installation phase and as fallback for running systems.

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Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[KatolaZ]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:37:13PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19.
> The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install
> any way to handle wifi, and *wicd* doesn't seem ready for prime time as a
> WiFi manager.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> In particular, it's not as easy to use as the WiFi connection subsection in
> the Debian installer, which worked really well, so perhaps someone should
> pull out that logic and make it work standalone.
> 
> The issues I noticed with wicd:
> 
> Doesn't condense separate instances of an SSID into one. This makes it
> difficult to roam around a facility with multiple APs.
> 
> Expects the user to choose a security protocol, without shortening the list
> to only the protocols the AP has offered.
> 
> And then when I chose what I thought was the right protocol (wpa 1/2
> passcode) it didn't work anyway.
> 

Hi Bruce,

in Devuan minimal-live there is a simple dialog tool called
"setnet.sh" which helps with basic network setup. It's not yet in the
Devuan repos (and that's mainly my fault: wil put it in experimental
tonight), but you can get the deb package here:

  http://kalos.mine.nu/setnet

Nothing special, veryt minimal, and it might not be amenable to
everyone's taste, but any feedback is welcome :)

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-26 21:37, schrieb Bruce Perens:

Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook 
CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to 
install any way to handle wifi, and WICD doesn't seem ready for prime 
time as a WiFi manager.


wicd works fine on my thinkpad t61 and x230. The problem with wifi often 
is some firmware missing. Look at dmesg if firmware is loaded for your 
wifi chip.



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[DNG] devuan install experience

[Bruce Perens]

Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-19.
The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to install
any way to handle wifi, and *wicd* doesn't seem ready for prime time as a
WiFi manager.

Am I missing something?

In particular, it's not as easy to use as the WiFi connection subsection in
the Debian installer, which worked really well, so perhaps someone should
pull out that logic and make it work standalone.

The issues I noticed with wicd:

Doesn't condense separate instances of an SSID into one. This makes it
difficult to roam around a facility with multiple APs.

Expects the user to choose a security protocol, without shortening the list
to only the protocols the AP has offered.

And then when I chose what I thought was the right protocol (wpa 1/2
passcode) it didn't work anyway.

Thanks

Bruce
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[golinux]

On 2017-04-24 23:43, Joachim Fahrner wrote:

Am 2017-04-21 18:14, schrieb Veteran Unix Admins:


# Downloads

Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
(https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/)

To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the
following mirrors:


Is there no longer a torrent for download? (That was an easy way to
contribute to Devuan).

Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[メット]

On 2017年4月23日 16:19:10 JST, Jaromil  wrote:
>
>
>On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen 
>>wrote:
>>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
>>>Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
 
>>>
>>
>>
>>>Please advise if there is any difference between this release
>>candidate
>>>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.
>
>there is no difference, only that the RC
>provides a full range of working installers
>
>those who are already running jessie can
>simply continue keeping up with updates
>
>cheers!

10x for the info!

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Jaromil]

On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット"  wrote:
>
>
>On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen 
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
>>Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>>> 
>>
>
>
>>Please advise if there is any difference between this release
>candidate
>>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.

there is no difference, only that the RC
provides a full range of working installers

those who are already running jessie can
simply continue keeping up with updates

cheers!
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[メット]

On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen  wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
>Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:
>
>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
>> 
>> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
>> 
>> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
>> Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
>> this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
>> support (LTS) release as well.
>> 
>


>Please advise if there is any difference between this release candidate
>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.
>   RPTN


Thanks a lot for the wonderful work. 
And same question as above.  

Cheers！

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Thaddeus Nielsen]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200
Veteran Unix Admins  wrote:

> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
> Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
> this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.
> 


Please advise if there is any difference between this release candidate
and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date.
RPTN

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200, Veteran wrote in message 
<20170421161408.ngq4cc7ee2lsy43a@reflex>:

> Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
> (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/)

..er, try a new upload of devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_amd64_DVD.list.gz,
zless output: "
302 Found

302 Found
nginx


devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_amd64_DVD.list.gz (END)" and ll sez:
luther@heads /mnt/home/arnt/devuan/installer-iso % ll \
devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_*_DVD.list.gz 
-rw-r--r-- 1 luther luther   154 Apr 22 03:48 
devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_amd64_DVD.list.gz 
-rw-r--r-- 1 luther luther 42537 Apr 22 03:50 
devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_i386_DVD.list.gz




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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Emiliano Marini]

Great work!!

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Svante Signell 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 18:14 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> > Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> >
> > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> >
> > Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
> > Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
> > this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
> > support (LTS) release as well.
>
> Good work :) Thanks to all of you involved. I'll definitely try to be a
> (more active) contributor to the ascii and ceres releases.
>
> Thanks a lot again. More of my boxes will be moved from Debian to
> Devuan in due time. Keep up the good work!
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Svante Signell]

On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 18:14 +0200, Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
> Dear Init Freedom Lovers,
> 
> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!
> 
> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
> Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
> this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
> support (LTS) release as well.

Good work :) Thanks to all of you involved. I'll definitely try to be a
(more active) contributor to the ascii and ceres releases.

Thanks a lot again. More of my boxes will be moved from Debian to
Devuan in due time. Keep up the good work!
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Don Wright]

Veteran Unix Admins wrote:
>Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
>Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
>this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
>support (LTS) release as well.

\o/ dance-dance-dance \o/ -- Thanks for much hard work.

I see https://devuan.org still shows the old devuan_jessie_beta.torrent
(no longer working) instead of a new .torrent pointing to the RC. The
empty installer-iso/ is sure to get questions as well, as it is
mentioned in the README. 

By the way, http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/devuan/ (listed on
https://devuan.org, not listed on
https://devuan.org/os/mirrors/files.devuan.org) doesn't have the
README.txt files at present.

There is a similar but incomplete list at https://devuan.org/os/mirrors.
Should this link to the same file?

Hope you have a fun weekend anyway.

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[DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate

[Veteran Unix Admins]

Dear Init Freedom Lovers,

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan
Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned,
this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term
support (LTS) release as well.

Two and a half years have passed since our initial Debianfork
declaration (https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/) and not even one year
since our first beta release
(http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/devuan-beta-release).

This Devuan Jessie release candidate is as close as we can get to a
"long term support" universal base distribution free from systemd, in
the original spirit of Debian.

The final Devuan Jessie release will follow shortly and then we will
turn our attention to "Ascii", the current testing branch.

We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this
development effort, and for engaging in the process of making Devuan a
useful and reliable base distro, as well as a pleasant, cooperative
community.


# What has improved in Devuan Jessie

The wifi autodetection problems present in the beta release series
have been fixed.

The problem that prevented samba from installing has been fixed.

Devuan now directly provides different base distribution flavours:
desktop-live (finally the purpy experience), embedded, minimal-live
and installer-iso.

Devuan's Simple Distro Kit (SDK) is rapidly approaching maturity, with
a full set of scripts and documentation to roll your own Devuan-based
distro in any flavor.  (https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551)

The Refracta scripts are now included in Devuan, which makes it easy
to toast a new live distro from the state of a running one.

Devuan's infrastructure is now powered by the 'debbugs' bug tracking
system originally written by Ian Jackson, and the 'reportbug' tool
works as expected.

Package maintenance has been demystified and partially automated with
d1h - the Devuan packaging helper
(https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549) - which simplifies the
task of interacting with the Devuan continuous integration pipeline
and makes it easier for developers to package their projects for
Devuan correctly. Please consider rolling up your sleeves and joining
the development team!

ARM support has improved: Devuan now provides base SD card images for
11 different hardware platforms: raspi1, raspi2, raspi3, chromeacer,
chromeveyron, cubieboard2, cubietruck, lime2, micro, N900,
odroidxu. When applicable (sunxi boards) ARM images are powered by
mainline 4.10.y Linux kernels.

# Downloads

Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
(https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/)

To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the
following mirrors:

- http://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan
- http://devuan.ksx4system.net
- http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan
- http://nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan
- http://devuan.c3l.lu
- http://neo900.files.dev-1.org
- http://devuan.4isp.it
- http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/devuan/
- http://devuan.mirror.k0nsl.org/
- ftp://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan
- ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan

All files offered for download come with their SHA256 hash to check
the integrity (either in the SHA256SUMS or in the .sha files) and with
a cryptographic signature made using GnuPG by one of the Devuan
developers in charge of the build, included as .asc file.

An understanding of Devuan's script-friendly file naming scheme and
directory structure will help you find what you
need. (https://devuan.org/os/filenaming)

# Related projects

Here is a short list of projects which use Devuan as a base OS for
their research and development:

Dowse - the IoT awareness Hub which won the ISOC NL Innovation prize
2016 is based on Devuan and just released its 1.0 beta:
https://dowse.eu

DECODE - An R project on data sovereignty and blockchain technology
financed with 5M EUR by the EU Commission is based on Devuan:
http://decocodeproject.eu

heads - a live distro focused on privacy, security, and freedoms,
experimenting with Devuan Ascii, and having a workshop @
http://2017.rmll.info: https://heads.dyne.org

## Distributions based on Devuan

In chronological order of appearance:

- Gnuinos  (linux-libre 100% free, GNU review pending)
- Refracta 
- Exe GNU/Linux 
- Nelum-dev1 
- Star 
- heads  (linux-libre 100% free, GNU review pending)
- good-life-linux 
- Crowz 

# Upgrade

Devuan can be adopted as a flawless upgrade path from both Debian
Wheezy and Jessie. This is a main goal for the Devuan Jessie stable
release and has proven to be a very stable operation every time it has
been 

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 RC and DistroWatch

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

How can you advertise to Devuan 1.0 RC in DistroWatch?

Best Regrards

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Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:21:27AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100
> KatolaZ  wrote:
> 
> >  
> > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz
> 
> Would it run on the RP-2 ?
>  

Nope, since that one is an arm64 image. For the rpi2 you should use:

  devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_armhf_raspi2.img.xz

which is an armhf image. Otherwise, the armel image for rpi1:

  devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_armel_raspi1.img.xz

should work on all of them, but with soft FP.

HND

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Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

[Ron]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

>  
> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz

Would it run on the RP-2 ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

[Stefan Mark]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100
KatolaZ  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:12:11AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry
> > Pi, and cannot find where to download it  ;-3(
> > 
> > Does it still exist ?  
> 
> Hi Renaud, 
> 
> It should still be there:
> 
>  
> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz
> 
It was there yesterday, although it seems that the device tree overlay
stuff does not work. At least, i did not get it to work.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

[KatolaZ]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 09:12:11AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and 
> cannot find where to download it  ;-3(
> 
> Does it still exist ?

Hi Renaud, 

It should still be there:

 
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz

HH

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[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

[Ron]

ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and 
cannot find where to download it  ;-3(

Does it still exist ?
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

[Ralph Ronnquist]

Steve Litt wrote on 2017-03-23 06:02:

[snip]

NETWORKING DOESN'T WORK
---
[snip]


I've found it easiest to set up a host "tap", owned by user, for 
networking, with a couple of iptables rules, and a dnsmasq for dhcp 
service (not dns) on the tap. Then I can run my qemu VM as user (i.e. 
not root), with full networking, including ssh into the VM from the host.


And when I need multiple qemu VMs concurrently, I rather put a 
vde_switch on the tap and run the qemu with vde networking instead. The 
host setup for the tap stays the same.


Ralph.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

[Miroslav Rovis]

On 170322-18:35-1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Thanks for the pointers.
> 
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every
> > setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine,
> > running Devuan as a Qemu guest VM is difficult. So let me tell you two
> > must-know difficulties I've learned, and the workaround for each:
> > 
> > 1. Mouse pointer won't leave VM window, even if you press Right+Ctrl
> 
> When I run qemu, Ctrl+Alt is the key combination to leave the VM.
> 
> The option '-usbdevice tablet' permits the guest to get the

I remember I did try, but couldn't get '-usbdevice tablet' to work.
Otherwise, I mostly managed to get the mouse working in my tentatives:

Devuan image in Qemu
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161015-qemu-devuan/

But I never managed to solve the networking, with stock Devuan in VM
that is, in all my tries above!

(BTW, I'm stealing time from urgent obligations that I have now, bear
with me if I don't reply soon to further discussion.)

Not with stock Devuan in VM, but yes, I did solve in with Refracta, I
even posted on Refracta forums, from within Refracta in VM:

http://refracta.freeforums.org/refractasnapshot-10-0-0-arrived-t615-20.html#p5885

Here's the screencast and the network trace of that which was, for me, a
huge success story (I was so happy when I made it!):
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161015-qemu-devuan/#No5

I'm now regularly using Refracta as rescue CD, of course, not from VM. I
boot it from USB stick, load it in RAM, and I clone my systems (because
I build Gentoo, and will eventually install and build Devuan, in
Air-Gapped, and clone my systems btwn two, one Air-Gapped, the other
online, same-model-hardware machines: very secure!), and I do other stuff.

And as per:
> > 2. Networking doesn't work
> 
> "By default QEMU acts as a firewall and does not permit any
> incoming traffic. It also doesn't support protocols other
> than TCP and UDP. This means that ping and other ICMP
> utilities won't work."
> 
> For details see:
> 
> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Networking#User_mode_networking
>  
> I believe you can avoid these limitations if you configure QEMU in
> bridge mode, which is introduced in the same reference.

I do have a network bridge set up, like this:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/index.php?title=Network_bridge=613162
(
that's with my updates, the references there to:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Netifrc/Brctl_Migration
and other stuff, are correctly set, IMO.
BTW the bridge and things can be set the new, better way, from sysfs,
without brctl, in Devuan as well, can it?
)
[I do have a network bridge set up] for that purpose, and it works with
Refracta, but I don't know how to get stock Devuan to use it for
networking.

> 
> HTH,
> 
> Joel
> 

> > NETWORKING DOESN'T WORK
> > ---
> > This is usually discovered as an apt-get install or apt-get upgrade
> > failure. The first thing to remember is the following:
> > 
> > ***Ping from a Qemu guest to an Internet machine ALWAYS fails***
> > 
> > Always, every time, by design, it fails. Without jumping through a lot
> > of hoops, you can't send IMCP packets from a Qemu guest all the way to
> > an Internet host. So save yourself a fortune in time and don't test
> > with ping. Instead, test with dig and elinks, or equivalents. Start
> > with the following command:
> > 
> > dig @8.8.8.8 devuan.org

Great to know that you can use dig or elinks. I'll bear it in mind when
I need it in the future.

Just, you're right, no Schmoog the Schmoogle, thanx a bunch for the
world's top spying agency, friends of all the Stasi's of the world, who
made all their moneys snitching on everybody! No way!

I chose:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC

and I have, generally, no issues with DNS.

> > 
> > HTH,
> >  
> > SteveT
> > 
> > Steve Litt
> > March 2017 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother?
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb
> > ___
...
> -- 
> Joel Roth
>   

BTW, I'm also so happy to be on the Debian Escapees list:

http://troubleshooters.com/linux/debian_escapees.html

23. Miroslav Rovis: to Devuan, Refracta and Head

;-

Regards!

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Zagreb, Croatia
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr


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Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

[Joel Roth]

Joel Roth wrote:
> > 1. Mouse pointer won't leave VM window, even if you press Right+Ctrl
> 
> When I run qemu, Ctrl+Alt is the key combination to leave the VM.
> 
> The option '-usbdevice tablet' permits the guest to get the
> cursor position without grabbing the mouse.  In practice, I
> can click on other windows and change focus without having
> to use Ctrl+Alt. 

That helps with using the pointer to change apps, but key
combinations for navigating among windows will be captured
when the guest is in focus, needing Ctrl+Alt to escape.



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