Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
Hi, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 14:05, Hal Parker wrote: > I've got a wiki account and can put chapters on the wiki when they are > ready, no problem. I'm not sure I can do whatever is needed to link to them > from the Documentation page on the website, when the time comes for that. OK, I can help with that, but you'll see it's really easy. > I suspect the Writer Guide chapters won't all be otherwise "done" before the > 20th, so I'm sure we can put you to work doing screenshots at that time. :-) No problemo. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:18 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > > On the same principle, I don't think we should delay the first edition of > > the Writer Guide only to update the screenshots; IMO we should publish > the > > chapters ASAP and move on, returning to fiddle with pix when we're doing > > other updates and revisions. > > I'm not sure what to say about this. Personally, I don't have a > problem with Windows screenshots but, anticipating what certain others > might say, it might be better to hold back a little longer and do > those screenshots so as to put the problem to rest... > > > I'd like to see the WG chapters available to the public on the wiki as > soon > > as we're verified that the facts are correct. So far, the work Barbara's > > done that I've checked looks very close to first publication (by my > > standards); I'm hoping to quickly get through the other chapters she's > done, > > though I may be overly optimistic about my time available. > > Apart from the screenshots thing above, I'd agree it would be best to > get it out as quickly as possible. Are you guys OK with working the > wiki pages, or would you like me, or someone else, to deal with that? > > Do you guys have wiki accounts already? If not, tell me and I'll > create them for you. > > > Of course, if several people with non-Windows boxes can tackle the pix > > quickly enough, publication would not be delayed. > > I certainly can't jump in before Feb 20, but I'll be happy to help out > as from that date. If that helps, please tell me and I'll put aside > time for that, and work under your coordination on it. > > David Nelson > > I've got a wiki account and can put chapters on the wiki when they are ready, no problem. I'm not sure I can do whatever is needed to link to them from the Documentation page on the website, when the time comes for that. I suspect the Writer Guide chapters won't all be otherwise "done" before the 20th, so I'm sure we can put you to work doing screenshots at that time. :-) Hal -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
Hi, :-) > On the same principle, I don't think we should delay the first edition of > the Writer Guide only to update the screenshots; IMO we should publish the > chapters ASAP and move on, returning to fiddle with pix when we're doing > other updates and revisions. I'm not sure what to say about this. Personally, I don't have a problem with Windows screenshots but, anticipating what certain others might say, it might be better to hold back a little longer and do those screenshots so as to put the problem to rest... > I'd like to see the WG chapters available to the public on the wiki as soon > as we're verified that the facts are correct. So far, the work Barbara's > done that I've checked looks very close to first publication (by my > standards); I'm hoping to quickly get through the other chapters she's done, > though I may be overly optimistic about my time available. Apart from the screenshots thing above, I'd agree it would be best to get it out as quickly as possible. Are you guys OK with working the wiki pages, or would you like me, or someone else, to deal with that? Do you guys have wiki accounts already? If not, tell me and I'll create them for you. > Of course, if several people with non-Windows boxes can tackle the pix > quickly enough, publication would not be delayed. I certainly can't jump in before Feb 20, but I'll be happy to help out as from that date. If that helps, please tell me and I'll put aside time for that, and work under your coordination on it. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:10, Hal Parker wrote: > > Fortunately, many of the screenshots are already from Linux (usually > > Ubuntu), and many others are o/s neutral (for example, bits of a > spreadsheet > > that don't show the window decoration), but yes there are quite a few > > clearly from Windows -- though old WinXP pix look to me more like Ubuntu > > than WinVista or Win7. > > > > When I am retaking pix for other reasons, I'm taking them on Ubuntu, but > I > > haven't been retaking all the pix just to get them out of Windows. > > > > Do we have a requirement to get rid of all the Windows pix in the Writer > > Guide before publishing the first edition? > > Well, given the firm opposition to Windows screenshots I've read in > the recent past, I'd say it would be a good idea... > > > The Getting Started book certainly hasn't had all the Windows pix > replaced. > > I guess it would be an issue to be addressed, hopefully with > preparation of a revised edition for lulu.com... > > Again, this is just my 2 cents based on previous discussions in the lists. > > David Nelson > > Certainly a revised Getting Started book (which needs other corrections and updates, not just the pix) should have the screenshots replaced. I rather jumped the gun shoving out the book before it was fully reviewed and edited, on the theory that it's more efficient to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission. ;-) On the same principle, I don't think we should delay the first edition of the Writer Guide only to update the screenshots; IMO we should publish the chapters ASAP and move on, returning to fiddle with pix when we're doing other updates and revisions. I'd like to see the WG chapters available to the public on the wiki as soon as we're verified that the facts are correct. So far, the work Barbara's done that I've checked looks very close to first publication (by my standards); I'm hoping to quickly get through the other chapters she's done, though I may be overly optimistic about my time available. Of course, if several people with non-Windows boxes can tackle the pix quickly enough, publication would not be delayed. Hal -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
Hi, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:10, Hal Parker wrote: > Fortunately, many of the screenshots are already from Linux (usually > Ubuntu), and many others are o/s neutral (for example, bits of a spreadsheet > that don't show the window decoration), but yes there are quite a few > clearly from Windows -- though old WinXP pix look to me more like Ubuntu > than WinVista or Win7. > > When I am retaking pix for other reasons, I'm taking them on Ubuntu, but I > haven't been retaking all the pix just to get them out of Windows. > > Do we have a requirement to get rid of all the Windows pix in the Writer > Guide before publishing the first edition? Well, given the firm opposition to Windows screenshots I've read in the recent past, I'd say it would be a good idea... > The Getting Started book certainly hasn't had all the Windows pix replaced. I guess it would be an issue to be addressed, hopefully with preparation of a revised edition for lulu.com... Again, this is just my 2 cents based on previous discussions in the lists. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:44, Barbara Duprey wrote: > > I'm on Windows 7, David. There are probably going to be a large number of > > graphics replacements needed -- even beyond the OOo refs, there appear to > be > > significant differences in icons, and so on. Gonna be fun, huh? > > It sounds like a major rework of all the graphic content in all the > docs is going to be an upcoming task... Most of the screenshots will > have to be taken on Linux (obviously, there will be a certain number > needed for Mac and Windows). > > Fortunately, many of the screenshots are already from Linux (usually Ubuntu), and many others are o/s neutral (for example, bits of a spreadsheet that don't show the window decoration), but yes there are quite a few clearly from Windows -- though old WinXP pix look to me more like Ubuntu than WinVista or Win7. When I am retaking pix for other reasons, I'm taking them on Ubuntu, but I haven't been retaking all the pix just to get them out of Windows. Do we have a requirement to get rid of all the Windows pix in the Writer Guide before publishing the first edition? The Getting Started book certainly hasn't had all the Windows pix replaced. Hal -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
Hi, :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 02:44, Barbara Duprey wrote: > I'm on Windows 7, David. There are probably going to be a large number of > graphics replacements needed -- even beyond the OOo refs, there appear to be > significant differences in icons, and so on. Gonna be fun, huh? It sounds like a major rework of all the graphic content in all the docs is going to be an upcoming task... Most of the screenshots will have to be taken on Linux (obviously, there will be a certain number needed for Mac and Windows). It's going to be a busy year. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] New Installation Instructions for Linux - Chapter Formated
So an update, I have just uploaded to Alfresco the new re-formatted (following the Chapters template) "Installation Guide for Linux" as an .odt called " Install-Linux-guide-formatted.odt " It is in the en > Various folder. Needs o be put into the workflow. On a more personal note: We are experiencing here in Brasil a crisis of sorts, the NGO BrOffice.org and the community are not seeing eye to eye. Until we define the future of our focus, and until we decide where to go from here, I will be halting my contributions, and leaving this mailing list. Wish you all the best, but this is the time for some in-house cleaning up, so ... hope to see you all soon :) It has been a privilege to work with all of you. Rogerio PS: from now on please send e-mails to my personal account if the need arises. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
On 2/14/2011 11:35 AM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I haven't looked, I must admit. Are you on Windows, Mac or Linux, Barbara? David Nelson I'm on Windows 7, David. There are probably going to be a large number of graphics replacements needed -- even beyond the OOo refs, there appear to be significant differences in icons, and so on. Gonna be fun, huh? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
Hi, :-) I haven't looked, I must admit. Are you on Windows, Mac or Linux, Barbara? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] First pass complete
On 2/13/2011 10:01 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi Barbara, :-) If you look in the Various space, you'll see that there's a zip file containing screenshots done by Ron Faile... Maybe they can be useful? David Nelson As I understand it, those screenshots were for a couple of early Writer chapters -- and done with Windows, which we are not using now for legal reasons. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Chapter 2 Mysteries
On 2/14/2011 10:07 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: On 2/14/2011 6:11 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 03:34 -0800, JDługosz wrote: Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I have several tricks to get the pix visible again; if I find my notes, I'll post them. How about grabbing the Writer chapter I kicked back to drafts: One of them has serious missing image issues, and you could give that a shake and update. That copy of Writer Guide Chapter 1 is, in fact, missing images; they aren't just hidden. You can tell from the unusually small file size, and by unzipping the file and looking in the Pictures folder. I don't know what causes that to happen, although I've seen it a few times. David Nelson, how does one pull up an older version of a file from Alfresco? A lot of the pix in this chapter can be resurrected from the OOo counterpart or from Ron Faile's pix, but otherwise copying them from a previous version of the chapter might be faster and easier. I'll leave it to Hal or someone to do the actual restoration work. --Jean I'll do that. To answer that "how" question -- if you go to the version history and click on an older version, that should be the one downloaded. Done. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Chapter 2 Mysteries
On 2/14/2011 6:11 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 03:34 -0800, JDługosz wrote: Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I have several tricks to get the pix visible again; if I find my notes, I'll post them. How about grabbing the Writer chapter I kicked back to drafts: One of them has serious missing image issues, and you could give that a shake and update. That copy of Writer Guide Chapter 1 is, in fact, missing images; they aren't just hidden. You can tell from the unusually small file size, and by unzipping the file and looking in the Pictures folder. I don't know what causes that to happen, although I've seen it a few times. David Nelson, how does one pull up an older version of a file from Alfresco? A lot of the pix in this chapter can be resurrected from the OOo counterpart or from Ron Faile's pix, but otherwise copying them from a previous version of the chapter might be faster and easier. I'll leave it to Hal or someone to do the actual restoration work. --Jean I'll do that. To answer that "how" question -- if you go to the version history and click on an older version, that should be the one downloaded. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] uploaded "LibO Docs.dic"
When working on the docs, I addressed red waivies by adding them to a custom dict. This will ensure consistency in terminology across all the docs. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/uploaded-LibO-Docs-dic-tp2492523p2492523.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Icon differences con or pro?
Le 14/02/11 12:31, JDługosz a écrit : Hi all, > > I think many of the differences are due to using "Tango" instead of the older > set. > > It's kind of pointless to show a picture and say "this icon does this" when > they don't match. I have to count the position to find the right one on > mine. > > As I noted in the parts I've updated, many other things on the screen shots > are out of date too, so they still need to be redone. I might add that on Mac at least, the question appears moot, for there appears to be only one possible set anyway. Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Chapter 2 Mysteries
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 03:34 -0800, JDługosz wrote: > > Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > > > > I have several tricks to get the pix visible again; if I find my notes, > > I'll post them. > > How about grabbing the Writer chapter I kicked back to drafts: One of them > has serious missing image issues, and you could give that a shake and > update. That copy of Writer Guide Chapter 1 is, in fact, missing images; they aren't just hidden. You can tell from the unusually small file size, and by unzipping the file and looking in the Pictures folder. I don't know what causes that to happen, although I've seen it a few times. David Nelson, how does one pull up an older version of a file from Alfresco? A lot of the pix in this chapter can be resurrected from the OOo counterpart or from Ron Faile's pix, but otherwise copying them from a previous version of the chapter might be faster and easier. I'll leave it to Hal or someone to do the actual restoration work. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Fonts, highlighting etc in user guides
Larry Gusaas wrote: > > We are referring to LibreOffice, not Adobe. I do not see any options to > not embed fonts when > exporting a document to PDF. The usual advice for OOo, and I expect this > applies to LibreOffice > as well is to send PDFs to people so they can read them as you formatted > them regardless even > if they can not read the original file type you created them in. > That is an advertised feature for OOo 3.3, and I presume LibO has the same feature. I don't see a checkbox for it, though, so I don't know what the deal is. Previously, I used export to PDF/A-1a to make sure the fonts were embedded. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fonts-highlighting-etc-in-user-guides-tp2478792p2491965.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Calc Chapter 2 Mysteries
Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > > I have several tricks to get the pix visible again; if I find my notes, > I'll post them. How about grabbing the Writer chapter I kicked back to drafts: One of them has serious missing image issues, and you could give that a shake and update. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-Chapter-2-Mysteries-tp2487601p2491929.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Icon differences con or pro?
I think many of the differences are due to using "Tango" instead of the older set. It's kind of pointless to show a picture and say "this icon does this" when they don't match. I have to count the position to find the right one on mine. As I noted in the parts I've updated, many other things on the screen shots are out of date too, so they still need to be redone. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Icon-differences-tp2489760p2491912.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Icon differences con or pro?
Hi :) The icon sets seem to be really easy to switch/skin and are getting updated by the design team anyway. Rare but great for an OpenSource project! I think that a simple disclaimer as Barbara has been doing is the best work-around. I guess it might be good to use an icon set that is not the default for OOo. However, i think OOo icons are copy-left'ed rather than copyrighted so it is not the same as the issue about screen-shots in Windows. So, while getting the icons sets 'right' is a level of perfection that would be nice i think that it is unattainable and not really necessary. One work-around is to get creative and deliberately use a different icon set for each screen-shot on a page. The disclaimer should have a clickable link to the page about how to change the icon set and/or a page with examples of several different icon sets and/or the design teams page about icon sets. This would neatly cover any discrepancies and turn them into a bonus rather than a problem. Normal policy of aiming at consistency should be followed unless we agree to deliberately 'get creative'. Regards from Tom :) From: Hal Parker To: documentation@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 14 February, 2011 6:03:18 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Icon differences On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 15:05 +1000, Hal Parker wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Hal Parker > wrote: > > > > > I'm going through the Writer Guide chapter on graphics, and I notice > that > > > Barbara has commented in several places about the icons in the file > being > > > different from the ones you see. The most likely cause is that the > options > > > are set to use the "automatic" set of icons, which varies with the > operating > > > system. This selection is found in Tools > Options > LibreOffice > > View. > > > > > > The OOo user guides use the "Galaxy (default)" set, and we should > probably > > > stick with that for the time being. > > > > > > Of course, some figures and icons in the OOo guides are in fact out of > date > > > and will need to be changed. > > > > > > > > Upon looking more closely at the chapter, I can see a lot more changed > icons > > than I first thought, even within the Galaxy set. And they have changed > in > > OOo also. My apologies, Barbara. > > > > Hal > > > > You guys are driving me nuts, finding things that need to be changed in > the OOo docs because we failed to notice them before. You're as good as > the translators that way. ;-) > > But seriously, thank you. > > --Jean > > While I'm going through the Writer Guide, I'm finding lots of things that also need to be changed in the Getting Started guide that I missed before in my enthusiasm to publish a book in time for the product release. When I finish working on Writer Guide chapters, I plan to fix up the Getting Started book. Probably the OOo Getting Started book needs similar changes. Hal -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
