[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Minutes of Documentation Team Meeting, July 27th 2016, 20:00 UTC.
I wonder if/how the LibreOffice documentation could take benefit from DITA. Has this been considered/discussed already? Nino On 28.07.2016 01:59, Olivier Hallot wrote: Documentation Team Meeting, July 27th 2016, 20:00 UTC. [...] -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Tracking documentation content gap
Am 15.03.2016 um 21:08 schrieb Olivier Hallot: > Hi > > I visited several documentation pages in the wiki and I have a question. > > Assuming I am a skilled LO writer user, if I have to start producing > content, where do I look to start? What are the missing contents in the > guides vis-a-vis of the developments of the latest LO versions? Am I understanding you right: you are searching for a list of missing content in the User Guides? Why not starting from the original Release Notes pages?[1] Or do you think that Release Notes are written too freaky for most of the authors (who are bare users mostly)? Regards, Nino [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Category:ReleaseNotes -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Sorry for the noise :( (was: Tasche)
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tasche
Moin K-J, Am 13.11.2015 um 07:48 schrieb K-J LibreOffice: > Am 08.11.2015 um 14:55 schrieb Nino Novak: >> s.A. > > What do you want to tell us? ;-) Hatte meiner Tochter ein Foto von einer Tasche geschickt, aber offensichtlich hat mein Thunderbird die Mail auch noch an die Liste geschickt. Wie das genau zustande kam, weiß ich nun auch nicht. Sorry :-( Grüßle aus'm Südwesten, Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Tasche
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: libre office 4.0 base handbook
On 29.07.2015 12:48, Gordon wrote: Hi I was unable to buy the above hand book A problem occurred while loading the URL https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/tos/plain/ Where can one download it look here: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ Regards, Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: New version of Publishing_extensions.odt
Dave, On 23.11.2014 at 11:33, Dave Barton wrote: The links from the website are: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/84/Publishing_extensions.odt http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/14/Publishing_extensions.pdf I logged into the wiki, but could not find the location of these files to upload the replacements. Pointers anyone? to find a document's wiki page starting from the download link you just need to put File: in front of the filename. So putting File:Publishing_extensions.odt into the search field should do the trick. Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: New version of Publishing_extensions.odt
Am 23.11.2014 um 13:35 schrieb Nino Novak: Dave, On 23.11.2014 at 11:33, Dave Barton wrote: The links from the website are: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/84/Publishing_extensions.odt http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/14/Publishing_extensions.pdf I logged into the wiki, but could not find the location of these files to upload the replacements. Pointers anyone? to find a document's wiki page starting from the download link you just need to put File: in front of the filename. So putting File:Publishing_extensions.odt into the search field should do the trick. Note: you even could replace the download path directly with File: e.g. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Publishing_extensions.odt :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer 4.2 Guide now compiled and published
On Oct 07, 2014 at 08:49 CET, Jean Weber wrote: 4. Repeat for each chapter. My usual error is to typo the filename in the browser address bar, so if you get a back that says the file does not exist, that's likely what happened. When this happens, it might be usefull to browse the Prefix Index (Wiki Sidebar: Tools Special pages List of pages All pages with prefix) There you can enter the prefix e.g. WG to find all pages starting with WG. Don't forget to change the namespace to File to see only files. Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Five chapters of Writer 4.2 Guide awaiting review
Am 20.09.2014 um 22:11 schrieb Kevin O'Brien: Writer Chapter 14 - Fields I have run into something that looks like a problem, but on Page 17, Keyboard Shortcuts, I am not getting that working on any machine with KDE (in this case, Kubuntu 14.04). On Windows and Ubuntu 14.04 they seem to work fine. Ctrl+F2 should bring up the Insert Fields window, but it isn't doing that. Should I ignore this? Is it unique to me? Kevin, AFAIK in KDE Ctrl+Fx brings up Desktop #X - so these keys are intercepted by the OS and not passed through to the application (i.e. LibreOffice). (If you learn how to disable temporarily this interception I'd like to know it as I have been googling it several times but did never find a working solution) Regards, Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer FAQ: section on charts
Am 23.10.2013 18:53, schrieb Hazel Russman: There are only three questions in this section. The second two are my translations from the French. They will need checking for correct rendering as well as updating with proper English screenshots. And I would appreciate it if someone would tell me how to do cross-links, because mine never work! What do you mean by cross-links? The only link I found not working was the 'annotation' in Q.140. There was a missing references / tag which I added at the bottom of the article. Regards, Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Was; Digest of annou...@documentfoundation.org issue 145 (160) - Now Speaking on LibreOffice conference in Milan
Am 28.08.2013 22:49, schrieb Jean Weber: I'll send you my summary, but others are welcome to suggest topics as well. My personal interest is always to know, if there is a (sensible) trend in contributions. So I'd be glad if you could give some numbers or estimations about how sane the documentation project has been (or feels) in the past year, if possible with comparison to the years before. (just as an idea) Nino -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Where to put information about internal processing?
Regina, did you think to start a blog of your own? Your average contribution is of such high quality, that putting it into a chaos wiki like the TDF wiki could/would devaluate it IMHO. (Please do not bash me for the chaos feeling with our wiki. Just think of a Joe Average user who wants to search something in the wiki. It's not comfortable, in many cases you get results from different languages, draft pages, deprecated stuff etc. It's far from being usable, at least IMHO.) Regards, Nino Am 26.04.2013 20:14, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi, please have a look at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Regina/DraftColorAndToneAdjustment It contains information how the color and tone adjustments are calculated internally. That does neither fit to a user guide nor to informations for core developers. Is there a suitable place in the Wiki, where I can put it? Fileformat is a similar topic for which I don't know a suitable place. Kind regards Regina -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Info on this list concerning new DOCUMENTATION Bugs in Bugzilla
Hi Rainer, Am 04.10.2012 14:10 schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: I believe an info on this list for any new DOCUMENTATION Bug in Bugzilla might be useful . +1 (though I'm not very active in the doc project) A small problem I see is that Online Help bugs are also reported against the Documentation component, but I don't know if anybody here has the power to edit the Online Help. So it might still be necessary to find a proper owner for Online Help related bugs. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Info on this list concerning new DOCUMENTATION Bugs in Bugzilla
Hi Rainer, Am 04.10.2012 14:10 schrieb Rainer Bielefeld: I believe an info on this list for any new DOCUMENTATION Bug in Bugzilla might be useful . +1 (though I'm not very active in the doc project) A small problem I see is that Online Help bugs are also reported against the Documentation component, but I don't know if anybody here has the power to edit the Online Help. So it might still be necessary to find a proper owner for Online Help related bugs. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Info on this list concerning new DOCUMENTATION Bugs in Bugzilla
Hi Tom, Am 05.10.2012 11:43 schrieb Tom Davies: Nino, sounds like you know more about the bug-tracker than most people. is it something you would want to do? Is there likely to be much involved? I'm trying to keep up with QA but unfortunately have not enough spare time to contribute regularly. So I just write the one or the other 5-minute-mail if I think I can add some value to a subject. It's (hopefully) better than nothing. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] OT: when documentation found documentFOUNDation (was: RE: Questions re media.lo.org)
Am 25.08.2012 20:36 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: [BUG REPORT] On the page http://media.libreoffice.org/, there is a link with title The Documentation Foundation. It links to TDF though. (I make cognitive errors like that too. I always have. And my increasing years have led to more and different ones lately. The strangest recently was saying October when I meant Oregon.) Heh - sounds as if the found is a bit difficult to remember: Look at the marekting list archives at Gmane (there the found also lacks): http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing :-) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] ODT Metadata viewer (was: Re: brainstorming about the LibreOffice docs team workflow)
Hi, On 23.08.2012 15:10, David Nelson wrote (in doc list): ... It's a pity that there are no extensions to file managers like Windows Explorer and Nautilus, etc., that allow reading of ODF file meta data without having to load a program to do so. There are various small, quick-loading utilities for reading MS Office file meta data without much hassle, but I'm not aware of any for LibreOffice and its ODF files. Sure? Anybody knowing an odf meta data viewer? Does not KDE have a 'show meta data' option (at least on mouseover)? (if not - could that be a GSoC 2013 idea?) Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
Hi Jean-François, On Tuesday 01 May 2012, 08:24:20 Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 26/04/2012 23:24, Jean Weber a écrit : I'm sure it will require starting from scratch, with a totally new and clean template (not modified from an existing template) and files, pasting in everything in unformatted text, reformatting, the works... just to find out if it's a bug in our files (which I'm convinced it is) or a bug in LO itself. We've talked a bit about creating a new template, dropping the custom styles in favour of using the built-in styles, and doing other clean-up stuff, which could be part of the same exercise. But the prospect of the work involved is daunting, and it will take away so much time that could be spent keeping info up to date... even though I know that, if it works, it should make compiling and debugging a book so much less time-consuming. Could we first establish a table summarizing the guides styles? We could list: current style, parent style, stock style replacement (if any), style settings, notes I'm willing to help into creating that list. +1 Maybe you can find a Macro which does exactly this? Perhaps Andrew can help? I assume, the styles reside all in the Document Template. So what you propose is cleaning up the Document template, I'd say. Go ahead! Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
On Tuesday 01 May 2012, 16:42:05 Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 01/05/2012 16:24, Nino Novak a écrit : Maybe you can find a Macro which does exactly this? Perhaps Andrew can help? Well... I'm doing this by hand :) :-) That's ok for one document. But remember, there are lots of template based documents in the Documentation area! E.g. the German translations are based on somewhat different styles with completely different names. With a macro one could quickly list all the styles used in that particular document, so comparison would be a lot quicker/easier. I assume, the styles reside all in the Document Template. So what you propose is cleaning up the Document template, I'd say. I didn't remember of the existence of that template (and dunno where it template lies), so I'm using the Getting Started Guide for LibO 3.4. (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/00/GS3400-GettingStartedLibO.od t). I think/hope that document has most if not all the styles needed. If someone can point me in the right direction, I'll happily get my hands on the template. I think, Jean knows where the most recent User Guide Template resides. I'm currently working on a Calc spreadsheet that summarizes the styles and their settings (when different from the defaults). Great! Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
Jean-Francois, first, I did not mean to distract you from work! Please go ahead, all the ideas are just suggestions for nice2have long term improvements. But nothing should prevent you from sorting out Documentaton styles. On Tuesday 01 May 2012, 17:49:32 Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Yes, sure (I have a zero-knowledge wrt to macros and don't want to put my toes into that; some kind of an allergy I'd say). I also know the FR community have their own styles when they translate the guides (eg, they convert OOoXxxx into LibOXxxx). Anyway, we have to start somewhere and, to me, the basis is the international documentation. Full agreement. 1. Create a catalog of the styles present in the documentation There are (a) stock styles (very few) (b) custom styles (many) 2. Analyse the naming (a) collisions-like (b) names too close between categories (c) ambiguous names (d) non-fonctional names 3. Analyse the uses for styles (including properties and inheritance) 4. Propose a move (a) Styles that would go from custom to stock (b) Custom styles to rename for better understanding (c) Custom styles to leave alone 5. Document the move So that documentation writers know what's up. 6. Do the move. (a) Create the new template-s (b) Convert the guides Ouch. 1. Every long journey starts with the first step. 2. You are not alone. Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] QA considerations [was: Re: Calc Guide corrections]
On Saturday 28 April 2012, 16:45:45 Jean Weber wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 21:08, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: On Friday 27 April 2012, 07:24:14 Jean Weber wrote: [buggered-up x-refs] (Just some suggestions) [...] The problem occurs when I combine the individual chapters into a full document. Doesn't matter whether I use a master (global) document or start with one file and use insert file to add the other files to it. Some x-refs in most chapters, usually starting around half-way through each chapter, then go wrong. I don't know if there is a minimum number of chapters that causes the problem to occur. In the German Doc Team we are producing global documents, too - maybe this will lead to new insights. If/when I have time to do some testing, I would do much what you suggest. It was not meant as a separate testing activity but rather what to do if encountering such issues during normal productive work, thus no (or little) extra work intended - just freeze a snapshot of all documents in question. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Bugzilla Documentation Bugs
Don't know if somebody watches Bugzilla for Documentation Bugs entered by arbitrary people. I've just stumbled upon them, so I thought it might help mentioning them here? This query shows some of them (but excludes WIKIHELP and LOCALHELP issues for conveniance): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc=%28LOCAL| WIKI%29HELPbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=NEEDINFOshort_desc_type=notregexpcomponent=Documentationproduct=LibreOffice (If the link is broken by line wrapping, you'll need to reassamble the parts) There are a few which look reasonable IMHO. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] QA considerations [was: Re: Calc Guide corrections]
On Friday 27 April 2012, 07:24:14 Jean Weber wrote: As an aside, it's really getting to the point where we will have to do something drastic about these buggered-up x-refs. How exactly does it happen? What steps are you performing to produce the final document? (It's a global document, right?) The way I'd suggest to try to narrow down the cause of the problem should not be pragmatic in the sense of what can we do to avoid/work around the problem?. I'd rather suggest to think QA, what's just the opposite: What can we do to make it break? - What is the minimum set of essential steps to reproduce the failure?. (It's not natural thinking, it's rather some kind of devil's advocating.) Therefore: could you try to save increasing intermediate parts of the growing document after each single step you perform? And examine them carefully to find out, which step breaks the references? A next step could be: Is it reproducible if you strip almost all text from the documents in question and just leave the refs and the pictures in place? I keep avoiding this, because I'm sure it will require starting from scratch, with a totally new and clean template (not modified from an existing template) and files, pasting in everything in unformatted text, reformatting, the works... just to find out if it's a bug in our files (which I'm convinced it is) or a bug in LO itself. IMHO it'd be rather interesting to find out if it's really a LO (or OOo/AOO) bug or some kind of broken document template. (Just some suggestions) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] RC1 of Draw Guide 3.4 ready for checking
Hi, sorry, I've not been following the list for a longer period but have one question acutally: On Tuesday 24 April 2012, 18:22:15 Jean Weber wrote: Grab a copy of the full Draw Guide v3.4 to check for missing figures, missing or incorrect references, other problems and errors. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/published-lo-3.4/dg 3.4-draw-guide-full-book-pdf/view or https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/eb/DG3400-DrawGuideLO34.pdf Is it correct that Draw Guide has been updated to 3.4 but no activities have been started yet to lift it to 3.5? (I have to make some drawings so I've thought it'd be fine to have a look at the most recent DG) Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] RC1 of Draw Guide 3.4 ready for checking
On Tuesday 24 April 2012, 20:41:13 Jean Weber wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 20:20, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: A few trivial changes were made (such as correcting typos), but nothing of importance in the content. Reviewing chapters won't catch problems with incorrect or missing x-refs in the full book, however; those get introduced during compilation. But you may find some factual errors or wrong explanations by reading the chapters. Both are helpful. Ok, I'll take the chapters then. Don't know how far I will get (as I'm a fractal worker, not a systematic one), but if I find important issues, I'll report them back. Thanks, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] FAQ-structure. Was: Wiki
On Monday 05 March 2012, 14:38:14 Tom Davies wrote: I think having the 2-letter language-code at the end of urls is really painful but it's what has been used in the rest of LO's wiki. It's less about how it has been used but rather how the wiki is set up. You might want to read the instructions[1] if you want to learn how it is intended. Nino [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Multilingual_Wiki -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hi all, On Saturday 03 March 2012, 09:15:31 Jean Weber wrote: I will do some testing, as this is a topic of interest to me as a Mac user. And once we have an answer, I think we should put it into the user guide chapters about customising and perhaps an FAQ (unless it turns out to be something weird about the OP's setup). Maybe such a question or Q/A pair is are also something for the new askBot (http://ask.libreoffice.org)? Did you check already? Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Alfresco site update
Hi, Am Samstag, 25. Februar 2012, 16:05:44 schrieb David Nelson: I'll start work on Monday on revising the Alfresco section of the contributor's guide, with screenshots and explanations. I'll be finished by Wednesday latest. Where is it / will it be kept? Wiki or ODT? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Maybe you should NOT use LO 3.5...
On Thursday 16 February 2012, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I was editing a simple document for about 30 minutes and then some of the figures started to disappear with an error message stating that the graphic could not be read. Andrew, if you could reproduce such behavior, it'd be of great value for the developers I'd suppose. Not constantly reproducible failures are very difficult to pin down. I'd suggest to write a bug (or contact the qa list first) and then to try to reproduce the failure with debugging enabled. I'm not an expert but IMHO this could help to find the root cause of this occasional figure loss. It also would help to save the original document (before the loss) for investigations on its (maybe unvisibly broken) structure, and of course, the broken document, too. Just an 2¢ opinion Nino -- Better be part of the solution than of the problem ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: wiki: uploading to
On Monday 16 January 2012, Tom wrote: After uploading get back to this page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications to edit it to add a link to the upload. and be sure to use the [[Media:...]] syntax for the link, not a [http://...] syntax (as the latter points to a cached document instance and can change with time). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some v 3.4.4 OOO340m1 and Template Changer observations
Hi, On Wednesday 14 December 2011, Gary Schnabl wrote: ... Downloading version 1.2.6 from this URL: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/template-changer, I downloaded the file. However, the downloaded file had no file extension and the Extensions Manager would not recognize the file. So, I appended the .ZIP file extension to the filename, and it seemed to install OK. Gary, maybe you should mention this on the website list as this seems to be a website related problem? Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Just a side-note...
Am Sonntag, 11. September 2011, um 03:02:02 schrieb Harold Schreckengost: I have the next 3 days off, so I am going to try to get this all figured out. If anyone can be around to help, I would appreciate it! Just ask your questions here in the list, so anybody who can help will do so. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Linux/Ubuntu user using KDE/kdm KickOff..
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 8. September 2011, um 07:24:46 schrieb David Nelson: Hi, On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been hoping to hear from David Nelson, who may know more than I about the state of the docs about installing on Linux. Here is a wiki page, which may or may not be the one currently under development: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_LibreOffice_on_Linux I also have a copy of this in ODT; I'm not sure if both are in sync, but I believe so. I don't see it on the wiki (though it may be there and I can't find it), so I will send a copy directly to your gmail address if you like. The last person who did work on the Linux installation guide was Nino Nokak, to the best of my knowledge. No, that's not true ;-) (I've been editing the parallel installation instructions[1] which adresses advanced users) [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel Cheers, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Linux/Ubuntu user using KDE/kdm KickOff..
Am Donnerstag, 8. September 2011, um 09:32:59 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) Ahh, excellent. The Install in Parallel page is often needed by the Users List Thanks Nino Note that you should always mention that installing in parallel needs you to know what you are doing, so it's meant for advanced users only. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Data Pilot UI glitch (was: Re: Anyone working on 3.4.x updates?)
Hi, Am Montag, 5. September 2011, um 10:38:13 schrieb Jean Weber: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 18:09, Martin Fox i...@mjfox.ch wrote: ... There will be quite some confusion as not all the strings have been changed from DP to PT - for example the first layout screen still says DataPilot while all the help screns have Pivot Tables. ... Oh joy (not!) regarding the DP/PT confusion... I hope that gets sorted in the next bugfix release, due in (I think) October. see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39744 My interpretation/suggestion: - seems to be fixed in master - but don't know if backported to 3.4.x - should be carefully/repeatedly tested in master at least (Martin?) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Broken links to documentation on documentation Wiki Page
Am Montag, 5. September 2011, um 13:12:00 schrieb Ian Leyton: I just had a look at the http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation page and all the document links seem to be Page does not exist or end up on blank pages. Thanks for catching. User Sanyii seems to have removed the Media: namespace identifier at the beginning of the links. I reverted his edits as they did not seem to contain valuable changes. Must have been a RTE glitch (or wrong RTE usage?). Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Broken links to documentation on documentation Wiki Page
Am Montag, 5. September 2011, um 13:22:51 schrieb Jean Weber: Thanks for the heads-up. I'll revert some recent edits (by someone with the username Sanyii) and I hope then it will be okay. --Jean Oops, sorry for interference :( Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Broken links to documentation on documentation Wiki Page
Am Montag, 5. September 2011, um 13:30:12 schrieb Jean Weber: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 21:26, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Am Montag, 5. September 2011, um 13:22:51 schrieb Jean Weber: Thanks for the heads-up. I'll revert some recent edits (by someone with the username Sanyii) and I hope then it will be okay. --Jean Oops, sorry for interference :( Nino Not interference! Thank you for getting to it first. I've been sitting in front of my desk until now doing some boring financial calculations, so I was glad to have a little distraction :) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] OT: users list (was: Re: GS Macro Chapter replacement (NiNo Novak))
Hi Tom, Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, um 12:28:57 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) Weird. Exactly this issue (i think) has just cropped up on the users list for the first time ever. could you point (URL) to the mentioned mail or thread in the users list? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating user guides to LibO 3.4.2
Am Mittwoch, 3. August 2011, um 05:55:02 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) I'm sure there is some confusion somewhere. The 3.3.x series is not older and the 3.4.x new. Both series are being developed alongside each other. Tom, that's definitively wrong. The 3.3 codeline is definitvely older than the 3.4. Code development happens from one minor version to the next. Inside of a minor version code line there are only bugfixes, no feature development. The question is, how much and what exactly has changed between 3.3 and 3.4, and how these changes are reflected best in the documentation. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating user guides to LibO 3.4.2
Am Mittwoch, 3. August 2011, um 12:11:25 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) But the 3.3.x series is still being worked on and new releases are due in it's series? It's only *bugfix* releases, no feature changes. Therefore, such releases are irrelevant for documentation. *Feature* changes are indicated in the second place (3.X), while bugfixes happen thereafter in the third place for each code line independantly (3.3.X or 3.4.X). Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] wiki page
Am Dienstag, 2. August 2011, um 01:12:42 schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: align=top or similar, it's valign=top, I just added it. Looks a bit better now :) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating user guides to LibO 3.4.2
Am Dienstag, 2. August 2011, um 11:14:22 schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: David, I'll respond to the rest of your note later, but for now I want to address just one item: We can then copy those files into the Drafts spaces, update them, and save them under different names -- to avoid confusion and to enable us to put them on wiki along with the 3.3.x files. For example, 0101GS34-ChapterTitle.odt instead of 0101GS3-ChapterTitle.odt. I'd love to get the versioning info out of the file name and into the document's meta data, so that - for instance - 0101GS34-ChapterTitle.odt would become ChapterTitle.odt and that doc's meta data contains all the info we want to store about that doc. AFAIK, unless the filenames are different between the 3.3.x and 3.4.x versions of a chapter, they cannot both be stored on the wiki. Sorry my ignorance, but ... what exactly was the rationale of storing the files in the wiki? Couldn't you/we keep the files in Alfresco and just linking them from the wiki? So the problem of identical filenames should be solvable. 2¢ from Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: More Documentation online
Hi Jean, Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, um 13:13:56 schrieb Jean Weber: As the person who usually uploads new and changed user guide chapters and books to the wiki, I am happy to email Tim and Drew at the time. I don't know a way to automate this. Do you upload changed chapters via the Wiki upload function? Then anybody interested could just watch the File page, they should get informed by e-mail when a new version is uploaded. At least in theory, this should be tested before, of course ;-) Which chapter will be uploaded next? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fw: More Documentation online
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, um 17:43:47 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi Nino How to watch the page? Do you mean subscribe or something like that so they get emailed when a change occurs? Exactly. Registered and email-confirmed users can choose in their preferences to get email notified on page changes. I might make my adjustments first and then suggest that as i'm not exactly sophisticated when editing a wiki and usually notice problems just after hitting confirm (or whatever). You just have to check E-mail me when a page on my watchlist is changend in the User profile tab of the preferences. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Parallel install
On Saturday, 2. July 2011 11:25:11 Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 10:21 +0200, Nino Novak wrote: On Saturday, 2. July 2011 02:11:46 Jean Weber wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:29, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 14:32 +0200, Nino Novak wrote: On Monday, 20. June 2011 13:33:45 Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:16 +0200, Nino Novak wrote: ... [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel ... I've got the parallel installs ( LibO 3.3.3, LibO 3.4.1, and the LibO 3.2 that comes with Ubuntu) working now on Ubuntu 11.04. Fine. Did you follow the steps described above? No, that was much too geeky for me. I did a simpler (for me) variation. I have no idea why I had problems at first, because it later started working and I didn't change anything. Could you tell how yo did it? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Improving devs-helpers-collaboration (was: Re: Need HELP texts for changed feature)
Hi André, just a few thoughts on certain aspects of this interesting-looking subject... On Saturday, 2. July 2011 09:54:21 André Schnabel wrote: Am 02.07.2011 01:05, schrieb Richard: Some of these tasks even *should* not be done by developers, I'd suggest to change the wording here to a positive form, like... Some of these tasks *should* be done by non-developers or even better avoid the negative form completely: ... done by a mixed team of (advanced?) documenters/end- users/designers/ux'ers/whatever ... ... We need to come to a point, where non-developers help with all these things and collaborate with developers (code hackers). (what I don't like here is the word help, as it suggests doing minor- value work, so the problem or part of the problem might be the at least somewhat looking down attitude of the developers?) For this, we need to make people aware (what I did was just a test of what people are already aware). I like the idea to make aware as a first step. However... If you mean: How to make implementing new features more attractive to mixed teams instead of one-person-only? then I think, this might be a very sensible area as one of the major motivations of at least part of the developers might be to be the one who implements a feature. So your question might be who is willing to pioneer a mixed development approach? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 16:13:56 Marc Paré wrote: We are essentially saying the same thing. For necessary files where the ODF cannot be read due to the inability of having LibreOffice installed to read ODF files then falling back on .pdf's is fine. PDF has a different purpose: to show a document in identical layout on any output media. ODF in contrast is the preferred data format for supporting all kinds of documents needed in an office environment. To support office productivity is a substantially different aspect from supporting media independant layout. If there is a need to create a quick and dirty ODF reader, then we should put this to the dev's as a project -- a LibreOffice Reader. We should not be advocating the use of any other format unless we really have to. If our documents are so important for a user to want to read, then they should download our product to read our wonderful manuals. This ist questionable, sorry. To use a complex software, you need as much help and support as possible. This is true on any level of skill. So no software supplier would leave out e.g. online help and state that anybody should read only ODF/PDF/whatever Manuals. Nobody would ignore wikis when trying to solve a problem because they are not ODF formatted. Or forums or mailinglists or whatever. Where do you live? We have to help the users to use the software best possible (and not to force them to use a certain output format if seeking help, what strange ideas do you people have?!)! For that, IMHO our ambition should be to offer the Manuals in as many formats as possible, so a user can decide which suites best his/her actual needs. So my statement would be: Stay with ODF as master (as long as there is not a more conveniant solution) and try to offer PDF /and/ HTML in addition. Ideally, the PDF and HTML conversion should be done as automatically as possible, so no need for additional manpower. Otherwise, we relegate the ODF (and LibreOffice) to a secondary position -- there will always be individuals inside our group who will clamour for a .pdf version to add universality to our product line. This is completely counter-productive. The request for .pdf will never cease and all of our documentation will be in ODF/PDF versions with no real reason to fully adopt the ODF format by any user. Worse, corporate adoption of our product will be hard to get if they will never see the benefits of using our products if they only read it through .pdf formats for their convenience. ODF does have different advantages. Competing with PDF is not among them. Or at least, not yet. If the ESC decides to take that challenge, it might be an option in the future. But ATM it's out of scope IMHO. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
Hi Gary, On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:35:27 Gary Schnabl wrote: Therefore, I suggest that every OOo/LO PDF file be so converted by Adobe Acrobat Professional afterward, prior to release so that OOo/LO users will have that extra functionality. What purpose do you want this functionality for? ... It seems foolish not to so enable them for the Comment and Review function, considering its ease to do so with no added cost or real time and effort... But for what purpose? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:53:12 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 12:44 PM, Nino Novak wrote: Hi Gary, On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:35:27 Gary Schnabl wrote: Therefore, I suggest that every OOo/LO PDF file be so converted by Adobe Acrobat Professional afterward, prior to release so that OOo/LO users will have that extra functionality. What purpose do you want this functionality for? ... It seems foolish not to so enable them for the Comment and Review function, considering its ease to do so with no added cost or real time and effort... But for what purpose? Nino DUH! For any users wanting to add any highlighting and such--a thing typically done by millions of students and others over the past few decades on their printed material and books by (usually yellow-colored) magic markers. Sorry, Gary, for my ignorance ;-) I myself have never had the idea to use PDF and highlight something therein, so I just did not know / could not imagine that this is done by so many people today. I remember how happy we have been some decades ago when PDF was invented and everybody could read a document with the same layout all over the world. So I just did not recognize the interactive capabilities of PDF today. That highlighting functionality can also be done now electronically on PDFs (as it is commonly done on such converted PDFs) and even carried over to printed hard copy, if users so desire to print them out afterward. In addition to highlighting, editorial comments and the like by users could also be added directly to the PDF documents, among other capabilities. From these facts I'd say: There is a grain of truth in your arguments ;-) But - however - I'd still say, if we provide a User Manual, then we do this for one reason: to enable more users to use our software in a better way. So primary goal is to attract/ enable/ empower /educate software users. If some of them really want to highlight the manual or enter comments, ok, maybe. But this is too far from the original purpose in my humble eyes. So it might be good to offer it as a service from someone who believes it makes the difference. But not for us, who are offering primarily the core services. Just like many Extensions are built by external persons. However, if they really provide a substantial surplus, then people will love them and call for integration into core. So the way to go is, at least for the moment, find someone to implement the functionality, offer it publicly, and wait :-) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 19:50:49 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 1:44 PM, Nino Novak wrote: On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:53:12 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 12:44 PM, Nino Novak wrote: Hi Gary, On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:35:27 Gary Schnabl wrote: Therefore, I suggest that every OOo/LO PDF file be so converted by Adobe Acrobat Professional afterward, prior to release so that OOo/LO users will have that extra functionality. What purpose do you want this functionality for? ... It seems foolish not to so enable them for the Comment and Review function, considering its ease to do so with no added cost or real time and effort... But for what purpose? Nino DUH! For any users wanting to add any highlighting and such--a thing typically done by millions of students and others over the past few decades on their printed material and books by (usually yellow-colored) magic markers. Sorry, Gary, for my ignorance ;-) I myself have never had the idea to use PDF and highlight something therein, so I just did not know / could not imagine that this is done by so many people today. I remember how happy we have been some decades ago when PDF was invented and everybody could read a document with the same layout all over the world. So I just did not recognize the interactive capabilities of PDF today. That highlighting functionality can also be done now electronically on PDFs (as it is commonly done on such converted PDFs) and even carried over to printed hard copy, if users so desire to print them out afterward. In addition to highlighting, editorial comments and the like by users could also be added directly to the PDF documents, among other capabilities. From these facts I'd say: There is a grain of truth in your arguments ;-) But - however - I'd still say, if we provide a User Manual, then we do this for one reason: to enable more users to use our software in a better way. So primary goal is to attract/ enable/ empower /educate software users. If some of them really want to highlight the manual or enter comments, ok, maybe. But this is too far from the original purpose in my humble eyes. So it might be good to offer it as a service from someone who believes it makes the difference. But not for us, who are offering primarily the core services. Just like many Extensions are built by external persons. However, if they really provide a substantial surplus, then people will love them and call for integration into core. So the way to go is, at least for the moment, find someone to implement the functionality, offer it publicly, and wait :-) Nino You can easily try it out. Try the Adobe website. They probably have such enabled PDFs for users to practice on. Otherwise, email me, and I will send you as an attachment an enabled Writer Guide PDF. Thanks for the offer :) However, this will have to wait a bit because at the moment my brain is too full that I can't think about even more things to busy myself with. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] User Guides - Bleeding edge versions?
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 10:25:36 David Nelson wrote: Hi Nino, Sorry I got there late. If you need any help with Alfresco, please do feel free to buzz me. Thanks, David. At first glance, all seems self-explaining, so I'll return to you (or the list) if I can't solve something myself. All the latest and greatest Engish docs stuff is on Alfresco, as Jean explained, but the wiki is being used as the final drop point for user-downloadable product. That's the reason I wanted access to Alfresco: to be able to inform myself about the status quo without asking :-) I'm busy working on workflows on Alfresco at this time, so things will get better organized soon. Fine. If the German community wants to test Alfresco as a working platform, please do give a heads-up and I'll be pleased to give you any help possible. We are just starting to explore working environments for translation/authoring in fine granular portions. The first tool to test was/is wiki, which - as far as I notice - seems to be well accepted by the majority of contributors. So the first choice was the best in this case. At least for the moment ;) BTW: What we are looking for is a collaborative editing tool. Does Alfresco provide such a tool? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] User Guides - Bleeding edge versions?
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 22:26:34 David Nelson wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: BTW: What we are looking for is a collaborative editing tool. Does Alfresco provide such a tool? Well, if you count the ability for a document to be checked out by a team member and marked as such until checked in, then yes. Plus, workflows can be developed to extend this kind of collaboration. no, what I meant was the second: But, if you're thinking of a tool that lets several people work on a doc - within LibreOffice Writer, for example - and have edits incorporated into a document from several contributors working in parallel, then Alfresco does not go that far for the moment. Yep, that was the question. There is a dormant plugin project on Alfresco Forge for OOo that allows/allowed something somewhat akin to this, although it is still at an early stage of development. I've been in contact with Jeff Potts of the Alfresco project to see if we can't revive development of this plugin, and a phone meeting is planned to take place sometime next week. One of the LibreOffice devs should be attending the meeting, as will the original project admin, as will I, and the idea is to see where the code base is at, and what can be done about getting things rolling again so that we get it functional for LibreOffice. So maybe we'll have some news about that soon? It would be interesting functionality. Does this answer your query? Thanks, that was exactly my impression after speed-scanning the Alfresco Homepage. So for the moment, we will continue to work with the wiki. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
On Thursday, 23. June 2011 20:29:38 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 1:44 PM, Nino Novak wrote: On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:53:12 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 12:44 PM, Nino Novak wrote: Hi Gary, On Thursday, 23. June 2011 18:35:27 Gary Schnabl wrote: Therefore, I suggest that every OOo/LO PDF file be so converted by Adobe Acrobat Professional afterward, prior to release so that OOo/LO users will have that extra functionality. What purpose do you want this functionality for? ... It seems foolish not to so enable them for the Comment and Review function, considering its ease to do so with no added cost or real time and effort... But for what purpose? Nino DUH! For any users wanting to add any highlighting and such--a thing typically done by millions of students and others over the past few decades on their printed material and books by (usually yellow-colored) magic markers. Sorry, Gary, for my ignorance ;-) I myself have never had the idea to use PDF and highlight something therein, so I just did not know / could not imagine that this is done by so many people today. I remember how happy we have been some decades ago when PDF was invented and everybody could read a document with the same layout all over the world. So I just did not recognize the interactive capabilities of PDF today. That highlighting functionality can also be done now electronically on PDFs (as it is commonly done on such converted PDFs) and even carried over to printed hard copy, if users so desire to print them out afterward. In addition to highlighting, editorial comments and the like by users could also be added directly to the PDF documents, among other capabilities. From these facts I'd say: There is a grain of truth in your arguments ;-) But - however - I'd still say, if we provide a User Manual, then we do this for one reason: to enable more users to use our software in a better way. So primary goal is to attract/ enable/ empower /educate software users. If some of them really want to highlight the manual or enter comments, ok, maybe. But this is too far from the original purpose in my humble eyes. So it might be good to offer it as a service from someone who believes it makes the difference. But not for us, who are offering primarily the core services. Just like many Extensions are built by external persons. However, if they really provide a substantial surplus, then people will love them and call for integration into core. So the way to go is, at least for the moment, find someone to implement the functionality, offer it publicly, and wait :-) Nino GM (whose HQ is five miles from here...) sells vehicles that they build and equip some of them with options, some (most?) of which they do not manufacture themselves. Most buyers prefer having options being available (especially if they are thrown it at no extra cost), even though they may not use them, right away. OnStar is one of them that was used so much that GM bought the company that made it. sure ;-) But we are not GM, however. If we could take money and initiate a project, this would be fine. But all we can do is be so attractive that volunteers deliberately spring in and do the necessary work. So while GM has to pay regard mainly to the external market, we have to sell our ideas even to our internal fellows. This works partly by sparking enthusiasm in their hearts. But it works better by just doing it oneself and giving the result back to the community (if it is successfull, of course). So finally, why don't you just do it yourself? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
It's pretty after midnight local time here, so a last answer for today... On Friday, 24. June 2011 01:00:38 Gary Schnabl wrote: On 6/23/2011 5:16 PM, Nino Novak wrote: ... [Offering enhanced PDF Manuals] So finally, why don't you just do it yourself? Duh! I did that--while I was making my lunch today: downloaded the Writer UG PDF from the LO site, enabled it with Acrobat, and test ran it with Adobe Reader. Time spent: Less than ten minutes, including time for posting emails, cooking, eating, a phone call, etc. No, I meant, why don't you offer the service yourself? You did one conversion, ok - but for the service you need to - explore legal issues - set up a work flow - market the enhanced version - offer them on a appropriate website - ensure at least as well es possible that the service will be continued when you are ill, unwilling or whatever ... (might be I'm overseeing parts, so pls bare with me) So, there's much more work to do than to just prototypically show that it's possible. My point is some LO personnel should put aside any biases with regard to restrictive tendencies to avoid using proprietary software and the like. I realize that open-source exclusivity is nearly akin to be like a religion, for a few... But a major goal of Free + Open Source Software is to give people more personal freedom. So why do you think they should put aside biases - if they just use their freedom they are offered by FLOSS philosphy. Here, they are allowed to use whatever tool they want, so - let them enjoy doing so. You might be right that indeed some people behave kind of rather fundamentalistic. But - that's their choice. If you want them to behave differently the only thing is to argue and sell them your ideas. And indeed, that's what you are doing, so if nobody bites into the lure, it might be the wrong moment, not enough persuasing arguments, the wrong people, or I don't know what else. Try again later? Choose a different audience? Do it yourself? (I mean the whole thing, not just showing that it works in principle) Late in my work career, I spent a few years teaching at both public and private K-12 schools in metro Detroit. Many of the brighter, college-oriented kids would, on their own, employ their magic markers for highlighting items in their books or other printed documents, much the same that we did decades earlier--both at school and afterward. Highlighting is actually very common; otherwise firms would not sell billions of Sharpies and the like. Ok, so your experience predestinates you to speak in favor of offering enhanced PDF, but still you have to persuade people here to follow your argumentation. But now, PDF editing/reviewing functionality can be effortlessly imparted to any and all PDFs, once enabled by a simple, one-time conversion by Acrobat for use for anybody with the ubiquitous Adobe Reader afterward. Yes, I see the point that it might be an - let's say - interesting possibility. But speaking fo myself personnaly, I'm contributing to this project here just because I enjoy doing things I love and decide myself to do. So I might have catched up with your idea and helping you to propagate it. But alas, I haven't. For whatever reason - I just haven't. It's not attractive enough for me to put energy into it. Not even a small amount (as testing the enhanced PDF). This is absolutely not meant to offend you or to discredit your opinion or intention - in no way. But it is just not attractive enough for me to catch fire. At least not at the moment. And, obviously it did not attract many other people either. Now (if you did not receive tens of private mails speaking in favor of your idea) I'd say, well - did not work this time, with this audience, with these arguments - so let's try later. Or a slightly different idea. Or with new arguments. Or what else. But it's up to you, how you decide. That's freedom :-) Nino definitely falling asleep in a few moments ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] HTML versions of the Guides
On Wednesday, 22. June 2011 09:15:52 Gary Schnabl wrote: A DTD (say, a DocBook 4.5 DTD--the last normative version, 03 Oct 2006) only deals with document structure--not formatting a document. So, you would have to employ something else for formatting purposes, much like CSS formats XHTML code. [lots of technical stuff snipped] (Sorry, I'm really not an expert here, I just wanted to share the idea.) Gary, my point was not to *use* DocBook but to take ODT and provide export filters to generate HTML *like* DocBook does. OOo really never did much with its so-called DocBook XML. But - at least from a non-expert view like mine - DocBook seems to be XML with chapters, paragraphs and so on, and ODT is XML with chapters, paragraphs and so on. So at least in theory they should be mutually convertable, shouldn't they? So hypothetically, the DocBook-to-HTML converter should be easliy tweakable to take ODT as input. Ok, by an advanced developer ;-) Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] User Guides - Bleeding edge versions?
Hi, as the Germanophone project is starting to update + translate the localized Versions of the User Guides (beginning with Getting Started), I'd like to know if there are some newer versions (or drafts) available than those found in the wiki[1]. And if there are some, where can find them without asking? Thanks, Nino [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] User Guides - Bleeding edge versions?
On Wednesday, 22. June 2011 00:17:52 Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think Alfresco might be an excellent place to do the translations. I think part of the set-up for it included space for translation work? I thought translations teams had already chosen whether to work within the Alfresco framework or to carry on with whatever system they are already familiar with. We are testing odfauthors and wiki for translation work. Maybe if the tooling will not satisfy our (growing?) needs, we will test Alfresco in future. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Proposed book on styles and templates.
On Monday, 20. June 2011 00:06:04 Gary Schnabl wrote: Perhaps, these might have been fixed since I last recently used them. However, I would strongly doubt that because they have remained that way from the OOo version 2 days, possibly even earlier. I noticed around five years ago that somebody complained about them also, on a blog or whatever. But, I only came upon the OOo scene right when version 2 was being introduced back during early 2006. I never brought it up myself, though, until today. I don't know about this special case but my impression with LibO is that such things get very very quickly fixed once they are clearly reported as a bug and do have an accepted solution. So the way to go is, first verify the behavior in the latest dev release, and if still present, report a bug as adequately as possible and be prepared to give additional infos when requested. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] What I'm doing with LibO and Apache OOo
On Monday, 20. June 2011 08:55:45 Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I have accepted an invitation to join the Apache PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) for OpenOffice.org. Good luck! I continue to believe that the more the LibO and OOo docs teams can work together, the better off we'll all be, +1 my full support for this belief. Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Rewrote Linux part of Parallel Install Instructions, please review
Hi documenters, whoever wants to install a new LibreOffice version in parallel in order to test it or to try out new features: I rewrote the intstructions for Linux to make them more comprehensible[1]. Feedback welcome (I'm not a native English speaker). Please be aware that installing developmental, beta or RC releases might screw up your system. Therefore, it is recommended to install them on testing machines only. Nino [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Proposed book on styles and templates.
Hi Gary, On Sunday, 19. June 2011 20:11:57 Gary Schnabl wrote: I could add a few items: (1) The predefined List and Numbering paragraph styles are inconsistent among its various levels, making them less useful. This is an implementation issue that the developers need to fix themselves, assuming that they would care to... Hey, but that's their job ;-) Do you have a bug ID? Regards, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Collecting small things in the Wiki
Hi Regina, all, (I don't know if it's good to involve myself into this discussion as I probably won't have enough time to add/translate content to the wiki, but, however) On Monday, 13. June 2011 11:58:27 Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Nino, here the answer from Martin Bayer. It is in German. Thank you. I'm trying to translate Martin's main points and to add my comments. Maybe you can forward this posting to Martin, I don't know if he is subscribed here. Das LibreOfficeWiki ist schon jetzt komplett zweisprachig, was Systemtexte und Hilfeseiten anbelangt. Die Auswahl erfolgt nach Browser-Einstellungen oder - bei angemeldeten Benutzern - über die Einstellungen im Profil. His point here is, that the GUI is already international (with browser detection). Nice - but it does not help to have an English Wiki GUI if the Content is German ;-) Damit die einzelnen Seiten (topics) aber bei Namensgleichheit nicht in Konflikt zueinander geraten, könnte man das Wiki z.B. so umorganisieren: de.libreofficewiki.de en.libreofficewiki.de ... The idea is to keep the different Language versions in separate Wikis. That's fine, I'd say. We should go for it, or better Martin, please do it ;-) Maybe a domain like libreofficewiki.org could better serve the i18n idea? Technisch gesehen wären das dann zwar getrennte Wikis, aber man kann natürlich für eine Verlinkung verwandter Themen untereinander sorgen und auch ein einheitliches Erscheinungsbild (Logo, Name usw.) schaffen. The lookfeel of each language wiki should be adapted. Ok :-) Diese Verlinkung kann aber nur dann automatisch geschehen, wenn die jeweiligen Seiten in den unterschiedlichen Sprachversionen den selben Namen haben. In der Praxis heißt dies, eine automatische Verlinkung wäre nur bei Seiten zu Eigennamen wie LibreOffice oder OpenDocument möglich, bei allen anderen wäre eine Verlinkung Handarbeit (was sich aber nicht wesentlich von der Lage z.B. bei MediaWiki unterscheidet). Automatic interlinking works only for identical Page Titles. My suggestion would be to go for manual interlinking first but to keep the possibility open to switch to automatic interlinking later or - if possible - for a certain section of the Wiki. I.e. if the different languages have completely different content, there is no need for automatic linking. But if the amount of direct translations rises, automation can help a lot. Wichtig ist natürlich, dass es ausreichend Beteiligung gibt, d.h. dass das neue Wiki dann auch mit Inhalten gefüllt wird. Heavy contribution is desired :-) (Aggreed) In diesem Zusammenhang sollte man sich auch Gedanken über die Lizenz machen: Der deutschsprachige Altbestand ist unter GFDL lizenziert. TDF/LO hat sich jedoch für eine CC-Lizenz entschieden. Für ein englischsprachiges Wiki könnte man sich also entscheiden für GFDL, CC oder GFDL+CC (oder etwas ganz anderes). Licensing question should be solved. (What is the best Licence for LibO documentation? I'm not an expert here.) Natürlich müsste man für das neue Wiki auch noch ein neues Logo entwerfen und dieses von der TDF absegnen lassen, da die allgemeinen Regeln für die Verwendung des Namens LibreOffice und des Logos eine Lösung ähnlich wie die für das alte OpenOffice.org-Wiki nicht decken. Logo + Theme should be negotiated with TDF. (Who can do this? Martin?) Ansonsten ließe sich die hier angerissene Lösung in relativ kurzer Zeit realisieren, d.h. innerhalb von ungefähr einem Tag bis einer Woche. Was die Ressourcen anbelangt, so ist der Betrieb dank der großzügigen Unterstützung durch WikiWikiWeb.de und Freies Office Deutschland e.V. bereits bis Mai 2013 gesichert. Wenn man Anderes/Besseres wollte, müsste man das jetzt klar formulieren, um weitere Möglichkeiten auszuloten. The above solution could be realized in short time and the server hosting is granted for the next two years. I'd say, this is a good starting point for English/international Tips Tricks or similar collections. But nobody can know if it will be accepted and filled by the community. But it's good to offer this possibility. After a year or two, we will know better. Apropos, when set up, maybe the internationalisation of libreofficewiki.de should be announced on the website and i18n lists? Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Collecting small things in the Wiki
On Sunday, 12. June 2011 00:54:25 Jean Weber wrote: [libreofficewiki vs tdf wiki] Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the LibO wiki, and when I replied I was referring to the LibO wiki. I agree that the docs info and knowledge base should be on the LibO wiki, not the TDF wiki. In fact, I don't think I knew there was an TDF wiki. Ok, so probably we have to agree upon nicknaming the different wikis: (A) By TDF Wiki I thought of http://wiki.documentfoundation.org . This wiki serves - according to its main page - many needs simultaneously[1, see below], but at present in my eyes mainly for project coordination. (B) By libreofficewiki I thought of http://www.libreofficewiki.de, which is just an alias for the old http://www.ooowiki.de - a very good source of specific information bits and Howtos about OpenOffice.org (but only in German language). (C) I don't know of other public dedicated wikis at present. However, there are libreoffice wiki sections in e.g. the German Ubuntu Wiki [2] and probably other, non-LibO Wikis of course. (D) Finally, to complete the list, the wiki on http://help.libreoffice.org is not a public (i.e. community writable) wiki at the moment, it is just the wikified content of the online help from the LibO software. But it is sometimes referred to as LibO Wiki as well. So what I've suggested to do is setting up libreofficewiki.de (see B) as multilanguage version and translate the contents (I'd suggest starting with English and then followed by other languages) Out of usability reasons I'd not suggest to put such little bits of end user information into the TDF wiki (A). At least not at present. In times of OOo, the argumentation for using the wiki was different: They suggested to put as much as possible information into the OOo Wiki (here I mean: wiki.services.ooo..., not ooowiki.de) to make it the biggest and best possible all-purpose knowledge base. Which is a good argument, of course, but the problem is that for not-so-advanced users there is too much information so the average user does get too much search results and does not know where to start. All-in-one is only good for advanced people, and if it can be filtered efficiently (e.g. show results in one or a desired set of languages only). Nino [1] This wiki is currently work in progress and will subsequently provide information on our ideas, projects, visions, goals and products, and everyone can contribute. [2] http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LibreOffice -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Collecting small things in the Wiki
one small correction: On Sunday, 12. June 2011 14:45:53 Nino Novak wrote: (B) By libreofficewiki I thought of http://www.libreofficewiki.de, which is just an alias for the old http://www.ooowiki.de - a very good source of specific information bits and Howtos about OpenOffice.org (but only in German language). ...about OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice of course. N. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Online help online?
On Saturday 29 January 2011 10:30, Hal Parker wrote: I'm sure I read recently that the online help is available online (wiki, perhaps?) but I've lost track of where it is. Can someone remind me where to find it, please? Thanks. http://help.libreoffice.org/ Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
Hi, On Wednesday 26 January 2011 22:43, Hal Parker wrote: I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial, but I'm good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only we can find some database people to write an initial draft! For me personally, the best Base introduction was a little tutorial called base_entwurf_einer_datenbank.odt[1] (translated back to English it might read Base - creating a sample database). It claims to be a German polished translation of issue 28136 [2]. As my impression of the doc team here around is rather good ;) I just want to suggest you to think also of a tutorial-like Guide. Lerning by doing is Not Bad(TM). Of course, the tutorial only covers a very little section of the Base functionality but it enables the reader to work with Base better than any other doc I found. So the first idea could be to extend this tutorial (e.g. how n:m relations are handled in queries, forms and reports). Another idea might be to add some background chapters about database theory, but there are plenty of them around so this does not really seem necessary. Of course, only if you want to take this little tutorial as starting point - it's just a suggestion. Nino [1] http://www.oooauthors.org/deutsch/base [2] http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28136 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] help with wiki math syntax
Hi, On Thursday 20 January 2011 12:19, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, I (or we FR project) need help on writing formulas on the wiki. I've asked for the MathJax extension to be added, but Manuel told me that a LateX framework was already there: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula Maybe it's not enabled? quote To have math rendered, you have to set $wgUseTeX = true; in LocalSettings.php. /quote Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Readme - sys requirements missing for windows and mac
On Tuesday 28 December 2010 13:37, Sophie Gautier wrote: Guess what? I was lazy enough to take them from our OOo3.3 .po files ;) ok, thanks for the reply. I was just wondering where they do appear first :-) it was usually defined by Martin Hollmichel for each version just after features freeze and in time for our last translation handoff. Now we should take care of the version that will be uploaded on the documentation wiki. (And also how far we can go with back compatibility) I'm working on a checklist for coordinating dates and tasks as we had for OOo, it will be easier to track all this for the next time. Nice :-) Regards, Nino (PS: I unfortunately hit the wrong button, so my original mail will hopefully appear in the list in a couple of time units) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Readme - sys requirements missing for windows and mac
On Tuesday 28 December 2010 12:58, Sophie Gautier wrote: It will be too late for 3.3, but could it be possible at least to add the sys requirements for Mac and Windows on the website readme page and keep it for the next .sdf file? Sophie, all, where does one know the exact sys requirements from? Who does define them at what time? Thanks, Nino -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
