Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 4.0 book and status of updating all user guides
Not a bad idea Tom Whoever upgrades the Calc guide, please let me know so I can cast my eagle eye over it ;-( A draft version of Chapter 1 version 3.6 is available at the following link: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/calc-guide/draft-lo3.6/cg-3.6-chap-01-introducing-calc/view This should give you some idea of what to do. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 13 Feb 2013, at 10:26, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Sounds like the Calc Guide would be perfect for new team-members to work on > if PeterS could review it afterwards or give helpful tips if they ask. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > >> ____ >> From: Peter Schofield >> To: Jean Weber >> Cc: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 8:03 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 4.0 book and status >> of updating all user guides >> >> Hello Jean >> >> I can tag the Calc guide onto my list of things to do, but it will be at the >> end of the list after Impress and Draw. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> >> > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.0 - Enjoying it?
Hello John I have been using version 4.0 since the beta developer version on an iMac operating Mac OS 10.7.5 which is the latest version of Lion and an iBook G4 operating Mac OS 10.5. I have had no problems so far with LO 4.0. I cannot use the latest Mac OS which is Mountain Lion because my Mac computers are too old. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 12 Feb 2013, at 20:27, John Robertson wrote: > Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> A message from the Users List that i thought you might like to see >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >>> >>> From: M Henri Day >>> To: Joel Madero Cc: "us...@global.libreoffice.org" >>> Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 14:20 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Version 4.0 - Enjoying it? >>> >>> Haven't yet had the opportunity to test it extensively, but one thing I >>> have noticed is that the new suite seems to launch significantly more >>> quickly than any previous versions (I've been around since OOo 1.1). Kudos >>> to the developers !... >>> >>> Henri >>> >>> >>> > > I am unhappy that 4.0 doesn't seem to support OSX - saw a note that NONE of > the developers have an OSX machine. Tried 4.0 (beta), found many issues (for > OSX users) and went back to 3.6 > > I hope I am wrong, but for now this is my position: disappointed. > > John :-#(# > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 4.0 book and status of updating all user guides
Hello Kieran I did start upgrading Calc to version 3.6 before the Getting Started Guide to version 4.0 became priority. If you go to this link you will be able to download a draft of Calc Chap 1 version 3.6 to give you some idea of what is involved. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/calc-guide/draft-lo3.6/cg-3.6-chap-01-introducing-calc/view Just compare it to earlier versions of the Calc guide and hopefully you get the idea. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 12 Feb 2013, at 19:59, Kieran Peckett wrote: > Hi, > > I know I'm new here, but I wouldn't mind helping update the Calc guide. If > you can give me some pointers, and be prepared to answer questions, I'll be > glad to help out! > > On Tuesday, 12 February 2013, Jean Weber wrote: > >> The awesome duo of JohnS and PeterS have completed updating all >> chapters of the Getting Started book to LO v4.0. I'll go through the >> last few chapters today (review and edit) and, unless I spot some >> problem, I will then compile the full book. Others on the team are >> welcome, and encouraged, to further review the published chapters. >> It's a work in progress: publish early and often! >> >> The first edition will use the old template (page design); we can >> update it to a new template later. It's more important right now to >> get the books updated than to make them visually a bit different from >> the v3.x books, clean up the style names, and so forth. All of that >> will get done! >> >> Meanwhile, JohnS is working on the guides for Writer and Math and >> PeterS is working on Impress and Draw. >> >> The Calc Guide, as usual, is the orphaned book. Anyone who can help >> with updating it, please step up. >> >> Meanwhile, we're still working our way through translating the Base >> Handbook from German, though we'll need to incorporate into the >> translated chapters any changes being made to it for v4.0. >> >> --Jean >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 4.0 book and status of updating all user guides
Hello Jean I can tag the Calc guide onto my list of things to do, but it will be at the end of the list after Impress and Draw. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Questions galore!
Hello Jean I will soon be completing GS Chap 12 and Appendix B to version 4.0. I will then move onto the Impress Guide and upgrade it to version 4.0. Do you want me to do the Draw Guide after I have completed the Impress Guide? Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 Feb 2013, at 22:24, Jean Weber wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Robinson Tryon > wrote: >> >> Given the size of your workforce, is there anything that the rest of >> the volunteers on the project can do to help get the 4.0 documentation >> out? Maybe a "documentation sprint" ? :-) >> >> If there's any work that could be chunked-up, like proofreading or >> feature-confirmation, that might be a good way to offload some of the >> tasks. It also looks like contributors need a separate log-in for the >> odfauthors.org website -- I should reinvestigate SSO and see if that >> could further-reduce hurdles to inter-group participation in the LO >> community. > > > Our biggest need is for people to update chapters from one version to > the next, and preferably to take responsibility for an entire book or > a specific topic area (such as printing or styles or graphics) that is > covered in several books. However, this isn't a one-off commitment and > requires some study of our style guide and template as well as good > writing skills in English. > > The next most important need is for people to review draft and > published chapters for accurancy. Anyone can do this, and it's not a > major commitment of time. It's not even necessary to have an > ODFAuthors login, though that helps by making the process of returning > edited files easier. As an alternative, people can download published > chapters from the wiki, then write an email describing any errors > they've found and post the email to the Docs list. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO set-up options - View options
Hello There is a comment in the Preface about what you see. This does mention how to change the icon set. Look in "What you see may be different" in the Preface for the Getting Started Guide for LO version 4.0. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 4 Feb 2013, at 15:03, Dan Lewis wrote: > On 02/04/2013 08:28 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: >> On 02/04/2013 07:19 AM, John Smith wrote: >>> Hi >>> Could someone with a Linux set-up please confirm, or otherwise, that the >>> Automatic icon style is KDE or Gnome as stated in the documentation. >>> In Windows it is Automatic(Tango). I'm just after confirmation of the >>> Automatic setting. >>> >>> Thanks >>> JohnS >>> >> I can confirm that the statement is true for the Debian version of LO. I >> use Ubuntu 12.04, and can select the icon set that system uses. When KDE is >> selected for the icon set, the Automatic icon style is Galaxy as it is also >> the Default. When Gnome is selected, the Automatic icon style is Tango. When >> I select Oxygen, the Automatic icon style is Oxygen. >> So, it is possible that the Automatic icon style is determined by the >> operating system: change the system icon set, and change the Automatic icon >> style. This should be checked for Windows, Linux (RPM), and Mac. I don't >> know how important this may be for the average person who studies the User >> Guides ... >> >> --Dan > And additional comment based upon some research. While people can change > their system icon set, very few people will do so. Very likely I am one of > the few people who have done this. So, at best, what I have found, could be > placed in a tip for the few people that change their system icon set. Perhaps > Jean could comment about this. > > --Dan > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] headers and footers for new guides
Hello Klaus I like the page style with the Writer icon in the header. Reasonably uncluttered and easy on the eye. Also it gets the user recognising the Writer icon without any wonder of what does it stand for. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Feb 2013, at 00:30, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Hi all, > taking some "deep thoughts" about the designing of headers and footers > for the new 4.0 documentation, playing around and looking on different > technical and graphical guides to see how the headers and footers were > made there, then I made some new proposals. > > Have a look at: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Documentation#Documentation > > Every chapter gets a coulored sign of the module about what the chapter > is talking. > The footer gets a new direction: > - no black line as separator to text > - The chapter's name is on the outer side of page with a separator to > page number > - On the left page I put the chapter (heading0), on the right page the > heading1 to get a better orientation for user. > > If the guide is printed as a book in the current style it is much more > difficult to read the chapter in the footer as it should be a point of > orientation. > > I tried to play with three proposals (for writer only): > - The writer logo; but I don't like it in that way. It looks like > "horns". Maybe it should be put out of page line. But it is difficult > because the icon very high and tall. > > - Only using the symbol of the writer icon. But we don't have good > symbols for all parts, especially not for the general chapter. > > - A triangle. The first idea was to use a rectangle, but to get it > better to Libo maybe we can use a triangle. > When the coloured edge is printed as a whole book you will get a > coloured tab at the outside of the book looking on the top and the right > of the book (don't know how to call that exactly in English). I can send > a photo for private. > > I made a screenshot to have a first look and a pdf to see, how it looks > with some more pages. > > > If you think we shouldn't change anything on header or footer, tell it > please. But I think, the "old" style is an old style from the last century. > > -- > Grüße > k-j > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Google Plus
OK Andrew Send me a request and I shall join your circle. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Feb 2013, at 17:28, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > I long ago deleted my Facebook account. I have retained my google account, > primarily because I use an Android Phone, which integrates well with Google > (obviously). > > One thing that Google+ has that I don't remember facebook having, is that I > can define a "circle", and then I can define what a person in that circle can > see. So, I have an OpenOffice circle, that can see different things than my > family circle or my friend circle; not that I bother to post much of anything > ever, so there is really not much to see. One advantage, however, is that it > does provide a means for me to quickly connect to a particular group. So, > Peter, should I add you to my circle :-) > > > On 02/02/2013 03:08 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Dan >> >> I have had similar sort of emails about Google Plus from people I do not >> know but looking as if they came from people in the Document Foundation. I >> simply deleted the emails straight away as unsolicited emails looking >> genuine can easily be nasty spam. >> >> To me, if people want in the Document Foundation want to join you to join >> their circle, then they should contact you personally first before sending >> out the invite. >> >> >> I have looked at Google Plus, but have not joined. I am still not sure of >> its security and probably get inundated with friend request, just like >> Facebook. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com > > -- > Andrew Pitonyak > My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt > Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Google Plus
Hello Dan I have had similar sort of emails about Google Plus from people I do not know but looking as if they came from people in the Document Foundation. I simply deleted the emails straight away as unsolicited emails looking genuine can easily be nasty spam. To me, if people want in the Document Foundation want to join you to join their circle, then they should contact you personally first before sending out the invite. I have looked at Google Plus, but have not joined. I am still not sure of its security and probably get inundated with friend request, just like Facebook. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Feb 2013, at 06:21, Dan Lewis wrote: > This may seem a little strange topic for this mailing list ... > I received an email from Google Plus stating that Sigrid Carrera had added me > to her circle on Google Plus. I also belong to Google Plus, but I don't quite > know what to think of the email. Does someone know her and perhaps her email > address? Since this came out of the blue, I would like to know why. Also, if > someone knows her, perhaps you could get her to send me an email explaining > why. If it has something to do with discussions about Base, that would be > fine. I could easily add her to my circle as well. > So, could someone help me with this? > > --Dan > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: 4.0 Branding poll was: [libreoffice-documentation] strangeness from the BoD
Agree with Tom. How do we view the branding so we can make a vote? Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 29 Jan 2013, at 11:35, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Arrgh, sorry! How do we view the images proposed? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > >> >> From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol >> To: "documentation@global.libreoffice.org" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013, 7:41 >> Subject: 4.0 Branding poll was: [libreoffice-documentation] strangeness from >> the BoD >> >> Hi all, >> >> there is now a poll about branding [1] and anybody here is invited to wave >> his/her hand. >> >> [1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05281.html >> >> >> -- Grüße >> k-j >> >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> >> > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Formatting
Hello JohnS Standard practice in technical writing is the first mention of a dialog (or any other named item), you put the name in bold, after that the dialog name is in plain text. The name should be always be written in Title Case. These kind of rules have been the same in the many writing standards have I worked to. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 28 Jan 2013, at 23:08, John Smith wrote: > Hi > I'm doing a chapter which has a mix of style formatting ON (Emphasis), and > NOT ON (oooTextbody), for dialog names. What's the correct way to go here? > > Thanks > JohnS > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Marking up graphics
Hello JohnS I use light red for the colour and 0.05 cm for line thickness. This combination seems to work very well. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:12, John Smith wrote: > Hi everyone. > > As I work on different chapters there is a noticeable feature, which to me, > looks quite ugly. > It's the line thickness used in circles, ellipses, arrows and so on, which we > use to mark up the graphics. > Some detract considerably from the quality of the graphic and look downright > amateurish. > The colours used don't bother me so much. > > May I suggest that we decide that lines either do, or don't, use arrow heads, > and that line thickness for all these items is kept to 2 or 3 pixels? > Obviously I can't attach examples, as the list strips out attachments, but > I'm sure most will have come across instances. > > Regards > John Smith > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] My version of proposed covers for LO v4.0 user guides
Hello Klaus After some more thought I have a couple more comments on the design. At the moment, the template used for user guides has coloured headings 1,2 and 3. These do stand out very well on the page and are reasonable easy to locate on a page. Using coloured headers and footers could reduce the visibility of headings, especially if a heading appears at the top of the page just below the header. Some of the colours proposed for the different user guides could clash horribly with the green used for the headings at the moment. To match the colour used for headings with the colour used for headers and footers is not recommended because some of the colours proposed would not stand out on a page and would probably make the page design look very amateurish. Also it would mean having a different template for each user guide if the heading colour is going to be different in each user guide. Using each module logo in the header is a good idea because it would not be detracting from the info on the page, but no colour in the header or footer. Again this idea means different templates for each user guide to accommodate the different icons. Template management then becomes a problem if there are any universal changes required in templates. I think using the LibreOffice logo in all the user guides is the simplest and easiest to maintain when any changes are made to templates. It would also put LibreOffice branding on every page of a user guide. The front and rear covers of each user guide should show the logo (icon) for that LO module. Having a distinct design for LibreOffice is a good idea and would look professional, but catchy design is not so good an idea as it could make the user guides look amateurish. >From my own experience in technical publications, users, especially >inexperienced ones, like simple and clean designs because they are easy to use >and refer to. I have seen too many user guides that look good until you try to >use them. Also, too many user guides and computer books I have come across >have had such a busy page design that it made the books difficult to read. The cover designs and the chapter title page designs look good. It is the page design that I would like to be as simple as possible. Hope my comments help. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 27 Jan 2013, at 15:17, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Hi Peter, > Am 27.01.2013 09:51, schrieb Peter Schofield: >> Hello >> >> I have had a look at the designs, but would like to raise one point. > > The designs are only first proposals for discussing. So I appreciate your > comments. > >> Are the designs going to be used in all types of LO user guides or are >> they only going to be used for the printed user guides that users >> can purchase? > > My intentions were: > to make a unique footer with a graphical sign to show of which module we talk > on this page. First I thought about taking the special logo. But this would > maybe divert from the text in the footer. > The header was following the cover design. When the header will be changed > because of the new branding [1], the header can/should be changed in the same > way. > > [1] http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg05257.html > > There can be some more variations for the header: > white background, simple LibO-logo, logo of module or only a colored > rectangle. > We can leave the header completely and only have the colored footer (and - of > course - we can let it be as it is). > > We can play with the footer to show the informations in a different way. > >> What concerns me is the design for the pages inside a user guide >> - the headers and footers. > > The design at the moment would use too much ink or toner >> if a user printed their ownuser guides they have downloaded. > > I don't know, but do you think that someone who is printing 360 pages (GS > guide) would think about ink or toner? > > > Also, in my opinion, coloured headers and footers will be overpowering > > if used on every page. >> Plain header and footers make a page more >> user eye friendly. > > For this it was only a proposal for talking and finding a catchy design. > > Thanks for your feedback and I hope of more opinions and comments. > > -- > Grüße > k-j > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubsc
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Menu path on a Mac
Hello JohnS For Mac OS use LibreOffice > Preferences > LibreOffice > General and for Windows or Linux use Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General. There you will find the options for using LO dialogs. Regards PeterS On 27/01/2013 12:18, John Smith wrote: Thanks Jean and Peter for replying. Peter makes a further comment; "There is a statement in the Preface about using LibreOffice dialogs for opening, saving and printing. However, printing is only for Linux and Mac OSX. Windows version LO 4.0 does not have LO printing dialogs." I've revisited Preface and will use the same amended text that's used there in my relevant chapter. It now removes the confusion a Windows-only reader could have. As a final question on this, what is the full menu path used to get to "... Preferences > General"? Is it in "Tools > Options > LibreOffice >Preferences ..."? I'd like to put it in full in the document. Thanks John Smith On 26/01/2013 21:23, Jean Weber wrote: Yes, that's correct. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:48 AM, John Smith wrote: Hi Can a Mac user please tell me if this statement is correct, as it appears in a chapter I'm working on. "If you prefer to use the standard Mac Print dialogs, deselect the *Print dialogs – Use LibreOffice dialogs* option in *LibreOffice > Preferences > General*." Thanks in advance JohnS -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: My version of proposed covers for LO v4.0 user guides
Hello I have had a look at the designs, but would like to raise one point. Are the designs going to be used in all types of LO user guides or are they only going to be used for the printed user guides that users can purchase? What concerns me is the design for the pages inside a user guide - the headers and footers. The design at the moment would use too much ink or toner if a user printed their own user guides they have downloaded. Also, in my opinion, coloured headers and footers will be overpowering if used on every page. Plain header and footers make a page more user eye friendly. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 26 Jan 2013, at 15:36, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I like the book-covers as they are. On my current screen some of the colours > look a bit off but that's fairly clearly the monitor i'm using. Draw's > yellow looks a little dull but i'm sure it's usually a heavier, richer golden > (redish gold rather than the cheap bright gold sold at high-street jewellery > stores). Calc's green looks a lot too pale and yet fluorescent. On other > monitors i'm sure it's stronger and darker. Both a lot more like the blue of > Writer or the purple of Base. > > Hmm, now i check the icons off the menus on this machine i see they look the > same. So it is this machine's monitor. > > I've thought a lot about the layout too but finally realised that the way it > is looks quite perfect. I wondered about the title and the main icon being > further up the page but i really like the way the main icon stands on the > smaller icons showing the other modules/apps. Then if the title was much > higher, say halfway between the main icon and the top-bar, then it would be > tooo far away from the main icon. Also moving the smaller icons up a bit > would just look awkward. At the moment they are well grounded on that > footer-bar. > > So, the design made me look at it for a while, which makes it a success imo. > If people think it's a little strange somehow but can't quite put their > finger on it and end up thinking or even better, arguing and discussing it > then it raises the profile and makes even more people aware of the guides. A > definite winner! > > I think i would like to buy these just to be able to physically hold the book > and see how it felt in my hands. So, very much a winner! > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > >> >> From: Jean Weber >> To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013, 1:23 >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: My version of proposed covers for >> LO v4.0 user guides >> >> For reference, K-J's original proposals are here: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:K-j/Drafts/Concept-GIn#Documentation >> >> I am now looking at cover sheets (title pages) for the stand-alone >> chapters. When I have something to show you, I will put samples on the >> same pages linked below. >> >> --Jean >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> I have modified Klaus-Juergen's proposed designs and put my versions here: >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/TemplateForV4 >>> (GS samples in PNG, plus source files in SVG) >>> >>> and here: >>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.0 >>> (GS sample only, PNG) >>> >>> Notes regarding the back cover: I've left quite a bit of blank space >>> at the bottom for the barcode, and I have removed the footer text, >>> which would have been partially obscured by the barcode when the cover >>> is reduced from A4 to 6x9-inch size for the printed books. I may >>> further modify the text. >>> >>> K-J: Please note that the label "Impress" is missing from one of the >>> icons in the row of icons on the back and front cover. I added it on >>> the GS front cover, but I have not yet added it on the other versions >>> of the row of icons because I wasn't sure how to do that where it is >>> greyed. (I'm not very experienced with using Inkscape or other SVG >>> editors.) >>> >>> Yes, I know that decisions regarding v4.0 branding may mean that these >>> covers will be a bit out of date. However, I'm running out of time and >>> wanted to have something to use. It's easy to substitute covers later, >>> if necessary. >>> >>> Comments welcome. >>> >>> --Jean >>
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Menu path on a Mac
Yes JohnS There is a statement in the Preface about using LibreOffice dialogs for opening, saving and printing. However, printing is only for Linux and Mac OSX. Windows version LO 4.0 does not have LO printing dialogs. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 26 Jan 2013, at 18:48, John Smith wrote: > Hi > Can a Mac user please tell me if this statement is correct, as it appears in > a chapter I'm working on. > > "If you prefer to use the standard Mac Print dialogs, deselect the *Print > dialogs – Use LibreOffice dialogs* option in *LibreOffice > Preferences > > General*." > > > Thanks in advance > > JohnS > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 4.0 user guides - Icon set
Hello JohnS again Suggest you add your initials to the filename when you make changes. That way we do not lose versions and can correct errors easier. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 Jan 2013, at 19:51, John Smith wrote: > Hi Peter > I've had a look as I'm also doing the Writer preface. I've commented on all > the suggested changes I've made. These are mostly to bring it into line with > what I've done in Writer. Do let me know if they're ok, as I'll alter Writer > if things are sufficiently different. > > JohnS > On 25/01/2013 10:01, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> A draft version 4.0 of the Getting Started Preface (Chap 00) has been placed >> in the Drafts 4.0 folder on the ODF Authors website. >> >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.0/gs-chap-00-preface/view >> >> Please review and comment. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Getting-Started-Guide-Version-LO-4-0-tp4029065p4031654.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 4.0 user guides - Icon set
Hello JohnS I have edited the Preface chapter and agreed with your comments. The print dialogues do not appear in the Windows version, they are only Linux and Mac OSX only. I have changed the text to show this. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 Jan 2013, at 19:51, John Smith wrote: > Hi Peter > I've had a look as I'm also doing the Writer preface. I've commented on all > the suggested changes I've made. These are mostly to bring it into line with > what I've done in Writer. Do let me know if they're ok, as I'll alter Writer > if things are sufficiently different. > > JohnS > On 25/01/2013 10:01, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> A draft version 4.0 of the Getting Started Preface (Chap 00) has been placed >> in the Drafts 4.0 folder on the ODF Authors website. >> >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.0/gs-chap-00-preface/view >> >> Please review and comment. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Getting-Started-Guide-Version-LO-4-0-tp4029065p4031654.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Button or icon
Hello JohnS I think it should be "Click Save", which is the way it is written in the user guides I have upgraded and Jean suggested. Regards PeterS On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:37, John Smith wrote: Hi all To have a consistent instruction across the documents, do we, for example, say 'Click the Save button' or 'Click the Save icon'? Is button reserved for such items as 'OK', 'Cancel', 'Apply' for example? JohnS -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/ documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Button or icon
Hello I agree with Dan. Those nice pictograms on toolbars should be called icons. Buttons when pressed normally give the impression that you have just pressed a button. When you click an icon, a tool or dialog opens and there is no impression of a button being pressed. Regards PeterS On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:50, Dan Lewis wrote: On 01/24/2013 09:37 AM, John Smith wrote: Hi all To have a consistent instruction across the documents, do we, for example, say 'Click the Save button' or 'Click the Save icon'? Is button reserved for such items as 'OK', 'Cancel', 'Apply' for example? JohnS 1. Or do we refer to the elements of a toolbar as tools? What we see on the toolbar are icons, but they represent tools. 2. I think I would prefer to use the term icon; and when it is clicked, it opens the corresponding tool. 3. Personal opinion: buttons should be reserved for items in the shape of a button such as those already mentioned. One of the icons in the Forms Control toolbar opens a tool to create a button. Anything looking like it possibly ought to be called a button. (my 2 cents worth) --Dan -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/ documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting Started Guide Version LO 4.0
Hello Jean and Tom There is mention in the Preface now that what you see in a user guide may not match what a user sees on their display. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:05, Jean Weber wrote: > Tom, > I think you may have misunderstood what Gary and Dan have said. > > In fact, the differences between the Galaxy and Tango icon sets are > considerable. > > We are certainly NOT going to attempt to cover all of the icon sets. > > --Jean > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> It is good to hear the differences (if any) are not very noticeable. I >> think that's the only bit that is of crucial interest to the Docs Team >> except perhaps in one of the guides if there is a paragraph about icon sets. >> Even there it probably doesn't matter much unless the different sets are >> listed, described and images shown of them. It's interesting to hear about >> especially now that the UI focus is moving to over-all theming through >> "personas". So, it's good to hear that the screen-shots are likely to be >> very consistent if using potentially different versions of the same icon >> sets. >> Thanks and regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >>> >>> From: Gary Schnabl >>> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >>> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 4:56 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting Started Guide Version >>> LO 4.0 >>> >>> On 1/23/2013 11:24 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: >>>> Very likely, there is no difference between the two of them. One way to >>>> test this is to select "Tango" and take several screen shots of the icons. >>>> Then select "Automatic (Tango)" and do the same thing. Then compare the >>>> screen shots. >>>> I have version 4.0.0.1 for 32 bit and 64 bit Debian. (I use Ubuntu.) >>>> There are some differences from what have been mentioned: Automatic is >>>> associated with Oxygen as in "Automatic (Oxygen)". Galaxy is still the >>>> Default selection. And yes, there is a separate "Oxygen" choice which >>>> contains the same icons for the Standard toolbar as "Automatic (Oxygen)". >>>> I checked. >>> >>> Apparently on my Windows 7 4.0.0.1 version, before I made any changes, the >>> Automatic (Tango) listitem was listed on the Options - LibreOffice- VIew >>> dialog box as the icon-theme option and was assumed to be the "first" real, >>> actual default. One way to check that, though, was to press Revert. And >>> then after I did that, Galaxy (default) became listed--and was assumed to >>> be the new (factory?) default at that point. >>> >>> So, my next question is: If Automatic (Tango) is listed as the icon style >>> after a installation (before any mod options were made), what icon theme is >>> the "first" default--the listed Automatic (Tango) or the unlisted Galaxy >>> (default)? >>> >>> Gary >>> >>>> >>>> The 4.0.0.1 version for the Mac has "Automatic (Tango)", "Galaxy >>>> (Default)", and "Tango" (plus a few others). So there are some differences >>>> in what icon sets are available by OS. I don't have access to the RPM >>>> version. >>>> >>>> --Dan >>>> >>>> On 01/23/2013 10:09 PM, Gary Schnabl wrote: >>>>> BTW, what is the difference in the LibreOffice View options for icon >>>>> styles between the "Automatic (Tango)" and the "Tango" listitems? >>>>> >>>>> In addition, it is somewhat confusing to still have Galaxy listed as the >>>>> default for the icon style--worded as "Galaxy (default)"--after the >>>>> factory default was switched from Galaxy to Tango. >>>>> >>>>> The latter--Galaxy mislabeling--obviously seems to be a bug (made way >>>>> back with the introduction of Version 3.6 by the developers due to not >>>>> correctly modifying the wording in the source code for that text string). >>>>> >>>>> Plus, wouldn't it be better to have the icon size and style options >>>>> dimmed (grayed, etc.) in the View options if the following check box is >>>>> selected--for the system icons to override the
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: LO 4.0 user guides - Icon set
Hello Jean The Galaxy icon set does look better and the pictograms used do follow other icon sets fairly closely. Best example is for Bold, Italic and Underline - nearly the same as MS Office - and have been used for a very long time. Even Apple programs uses B, I and U. However, we have to think of the users. The default set when you install LO is the Tango icon set. Also, most Linux distributions that include LO use the Tango set, Ubuntu is the best example I can think of. The majority of users will probably NOT change the icon for LO to Galaxy, so it would be better to continue with Tango so the user guides match the default LO installation. This would make it easier for users, even if there is a dislike for Tango amongst the LO docs team. Another solution to think about. Is it possible to get the default LO installation to automatically use the Galaxy icon set? It would also mean getting the Linux distributions who include LO to use the Galaxy set. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 23 Jan 2013, at 22:20, Jean Weber wrote: > OK, since we all dislike the Tango icons, let's keep using Galaxy in the v4.0 > user guides for now. That will also save some work in identifying and > replacing icon images. > > --Jean > > On 24/01/2013, at 1:46, Peter Schofield wrote: > >> Hello John >> >> I only did this as an experiment. It will be easy enough to change back to >> Galaxy if we can get an agreement to continue with Galaxy. >> >> Thanks for the info about the commenting in Writer. I shall watch out for it. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:04, John Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Peter >>> I've just taken a quick look at your chapter and agree that Tango is not >>> too good an icon set. I've expressed the same opinion to Jean and I hope >>> the decision will be made to stay with Galaxy. >>> >>> With regards to the chapter you've just posted, the copyright page carries >>> the date range 'to 2012'. I've been changing this to 2013. >>> Jean is going to make a decision on how we refer to file types: .odt, >>> *.odt, .ODT, or just ODT etc. This so we have a consistent presentation in >>> the docs. >>> I only wanted to look at the document to see your graphics to see if they >>> reinforced my thoughts on the Tango set, I've not done a read-through so >>> can't comment further. >>> >>> Oh! Speaking of comments. The new Writer allows you to select a range of >>> text and add a comment to it. With my Win XP set-up, on the files in which >>> I did this as a reminder for when I returned to them, LO could not open >>> them, returning a read error. Watch out for that. Could only be Windows. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> JohnS >>> >>> On 23/01/2013 14:04, PeeWee wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have just uploaded a draft copy of Version 4 of the Getting Started Guide >>>> Chapter 1 Introducing LibreOffice to the ODF Authors website. >>>> >>>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.0/gs-chap-1-introducing-libreoffice/view >>>> >>>> It is ready for review and comment. >>>> >>>> Please note that I have used the default Tango set of icons. I will be >>>> honest and say that this is not the best set of icons I have seen for >>>> software. Much prefer the Galaxy set. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> PeterS >>>> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide Version LO 4.0
Hello John I only did this as an experiment. It will be easy enough to change back to Galaxy if we can get an agreement to continue with Galaxy. Thanks for the info about the commenting in Writer. I shall watch out for it. Regards PeterS On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:04, John Smith wrote: > Hi Peter > I've just taken a quick look at your chapter and agree that Tango is not too > good an icon set. I've expressed the same opinion to Jean and I hope the > decision will be made to stay with Galaxy. > > With regards to the chapter you've just posted, the copyright page carries > the date range 'to 2012'. I've been changing this to 2013. > Jean is going to make a decision on how we refer to file types: .odt, *.odt, > .ODT, or just ODT etc. This so we have a consistent presentation in the docs. > I only wanted to look at the document to see your graphics to see if they > reinforced my thoughts on the Tango set, I've not done a read-through so > can't comment further. > > Oh! Speaking of comments. The new Writer allows you to select a range of text > and add a comment to it. With my Win XP set-up, on the files in which I did > this as a reminder for when I returned to them, LO could not open them, > returning a read error. Watch out for that. Could only be Windows. > > > Regards > JohnS > > On 23/01/2013 14:04, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> I have just uploaded a draft copy of Version 4 of the Getting Started Guide >> Chapter 1 Introducing LibreOffice to the ODF Authors website. >> >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.0/gs-chap-1-introducing-libreoffice/view >> >> It is ready for review and comment. >> >> Please note that I have used the default Tango set of icons. I will be >> honest and say that this is not the best set of icons I have seen for >> software. Much prefer the Galaxy set. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in >> context:http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Getting-Started-Guide-Version-LO-4-0-tp4029065p4031288.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide, for the wiki
Hello Tom I was going to do a 3.6 version, but now I shall be going to a 4.0 version. I have already completed the Calc chapter for the Getting Started Guide version 4.0. If time allows, I may put together a 3.6 version of the Calc guide. Ask me in a couple of months. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 21 Jan 2013, at 12:20, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Just out of curiosity is there a version of the Calc Guide almost complete > for either the 3.5.x or 3.6.x branch? > > > If not then can i safely change the heading on the wiki? or do i really need > to make another new section? It would be easier for me if we just skipped > the 3.5.x and 3.6.x for Calc but tbh it's not a huge amount of work either > way (reviewing or proof-reading a single chapter would be far more work). > Skipping the 3.5.x and 3.6.x makes a lot of sense to me now that the focus is > on the 4.0.x > > > Regards from > Tom :) > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icons in LO v4.0 user guides
Hello Jean Not a problem for me. As the GS chapters are reviewed and commented on, I can easily change the screen shots to show the Tango icons. This is the default icon set when you install LibreOffice on all three operating systems that I am using, so one can assume that users would have the same installation setup. Using Tango icons would make it less confusing for users. I am using version 4.0 and deleted version 3.xxx of LibreOffice from all my computers except for one. The exception is my Raspberry Pi, which has its own Linux operating system. The version available for installing LibreOffice is 3.6 in the Raspberry Pi software depository. Despite being a baby computer, I have no problems using LibreOffice on a Raspberry Pi. You just have to be patient as it is not as quick as a grown up computer. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 20 Jan 2013, at 06:06, Jean Weber wrote: > OK, team, now that we're working on LO v4.0 user guides, it's probably > time to make the switch to using the Automatic (Tango) icons in the > books, even though that will mean recapturing some screens that have > not otherwise changed, along with screens that have changed in other > respects. (Many images don't show icons, so won't need to be changed > for that reason.) > > We talked about this last year; I don't recall if we made a decision > regarding the v4.0 books. But if we did, and if the decision was to > not change icon sets, I think it's time to reconsider. There won't be > any convenient time to make this switch, so we might as well do it > now, even though it may delay publication. I suspect publication may > be delayed for other reasons as well, so a slight extra delay probably > won't matter. > > What do you think? Especially JohnS, PeterS, and DanL, who have been > doing most of the work. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with LO 4.0
Hello Jean Getting Started with Calc and draw are now available for review and comment on the ODF Authors website. I have started Chapter 1 Introduction To L:ibreOffice which will not take too long and then it will be onto Getting with Impress. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 18 Jan 2013, at 10:09, Jean Weber wrote: > Work on Getting Started with LO 4.0 is well underway, but more help is needed. > > John Smith and Peter Schofield have done the chapters on Writer, Calc, > and Draw; Peter is working on the chapter on Impress; Dan Lewis has > done Base; John and Peter will do Chapters 1 and 2. > > I'll update the Task List. The other chapters are up for grabs. Don't > be shy, but please do be quick. > > At this point we're using the same interior template as for earlier > versions of LO, although the cover design will be somewhat different. > I had intended to do some work before this on the covers and interior > design (modifying klaus-jurgen's proposals), but I've been otherwise > occupied. I hope to get to it this weekend (but I know I've said that > before). > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide - User's idea.
Hello Tom I shall be looking at them when I start upgrading the Draw User Guide to version 4.0. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 12 Jan 2013, at 17:49, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Would those tips&tricks be good as an extra chapter or would they be better > as additional tips in different places within existing chapters? Are they > already written-up somewhere or could you write them to fit into the guide? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > >> >> From: Bruce Martin >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 6:01 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide - User's idea. >> >> Dear Sirs: >> >> I use Draw fairly extensively, and often like a mechanical CAD system, >> notwithstanding the decimal accuracy of about 3 digits instead of about >> 12 for a real CAD. I am also aware that there is/was an American >> University using this as a CAD tool with their students. >> >> In doing so, there are many extra tricks that can be helpful, such as >> creating a *_library of "components"_* or pre-drawn items that one >> re-uses frequently. >> When I was using Generic CADD, back in the DOS days, one user had made >> and shared an extensive library of Mechanical piece parts, largely U.S. >> machine screw sizes and threads. what he did with a series of macros >> could as easily be done by repeated copy, paste and assemble of the >> threads, heads, etc. >> >> Added to that, I always have at least one "scrap page" at the end of >> each file to save items or groups for reuse as I create. >> >> Since I use LibreOffice in both Windows XP and Linux (Fedora 17 >> x_86-64), I have an extra hard drive on that machine to handle data >> storage and sharing, and 2 NAS boxes on the network for my other machines. >> >>> From this I build electronic and electrical hardware and other >> mechanical conveniences, largely for my own use in retirement. >> >> _*The "zoom rectangle":*_ >> >> One such item is a "zoom rectangle". It is simply a rectangle, named >> something like "zoom rectangle" with no fill and the border of a colour >> that I am not likely to use as part of the actual drawing (by habit, I >> usually use Light Blue). I then copy, paste and size on the active slide >> around the area I am working on at the time. Then I use object zoom to >> get in there quickly, especially if I have to go in and out of that area >> many times in rapid repetition. >> >> On 09/27/2012 04:46 AM, PeeWee wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> I have updated Chapter 3 Working with Objects and Object Points to include >>> zooming, snap functions and guide lines from Chapter 8 Tips & Tricks. The >>> zooming, snap functions and guide lines have been updated before being >>> placed into Chapter 3. >>> >>> Chapter 3 is a more suitable chapter for these topics as they are an >>> integral part of working with objects. >>> >>> This new version is now in the Draw LO3.5 drafts folder for review and >>> comment. >>> >>> Please let me know if you agree with this move. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> PeterS >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-Guide-Chapter-3-New-Version-tp4009537.html >>> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Caution or Attention
As someone who has worked in an industry where warnings, cautions and notes are important, here is the definitions that were used: WARNING - there is a risk of personal injury or death should you not follow instructions correctly and with great diligence. CAUTION - there is a risk of physical damage to equipment if instructions are not followed correctly and in the correct order. NOTE - to bring to attention that something may happen when carrying out instructions if the instructions are not carried out in the correct order. Obviously these definitions do not really apply to software, but it is something worth thinking about when creating warnings, cautions or notes. As you can see for notes, the word "attention" is used in the definition because that is what note should be used for. It should not be used as a replacement for caution. In my opinion, caution just makes into its definition because you do something wrong in software, you can break the software. After all, software could be classified as equipment. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 31 Dec 2012, at 06:06, Gary Schnabl wrote: > On 12/30/2012 5:51 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >>> I don't have a clue about the rules or guidelines but as a native-English >>> speaker ... >>> 1. i agree that "Caution" is less alarming than "Attention" >>> 2. If something doesn't quite match all the criteria required in an >>> "Attention" notice then "Caution" is a good fall-back. >>> >>> I'm not sure if there is any logical reason for "Attention" being more >>> alarming. It seems more militaristic (if that is really a word) whereas >>> "Caution" is somehow softer and friendlier. That could just be my own >>> opinion though because i can't think of a logical reason. >> I don't find "Attention" to be alarming at all and in fact to me it's >> fairly equivalent to Caution, which I don't find any friendlier. >> >> So Tom, it's either a cultural (British vs USAmerican or Australian) >> word-association thing, or just you. :-) >> >> --Jean >> > > Agreed. Warning is more foreboding than caution--at least when regarding harm > to personnel (instead of damage to equipment...) in US English. > > Back in the day, DocBook XML publishing of software documentation used the > term caution differently than warning. Confer: > caution, http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/caution.html > and warning, http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/warning.html > > BTW, OO and LO documentation used only three of those four DocBook terms > (tip, note, caution, and warning)--by not using warning. > > Gary > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping Jean - Base Handbook Chapter 1 translated
Hello Admonition is an old word, but surely we should keep it simple so English and non-English speakers fully understand. Caution or warning are simpler words to use. Not knowing where admonition is supposed to be used, I cannot give a more positive suggestion. A word in another language maybe translated slightly incorrectly into English by a non-English speaker and this is where discussions like this one pop up. I get this problem all the time in Poland where Polish has been translated by a non-English speaker into English. In my opinion, it is always best to let a native English speaker go through a document or software program after there has been a translation into English. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 26 Dec 2012, at 12:29, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > +1 > Admonition is fine. I was surprised to find it really is a proper word as i > normally hear people use "Admonishment" instead but apparently the 1st known > use of "Admonition" was in the 14th century so it's fairly well established! > It's odd that people often tend to try to lengthen words or use longer words > than necessary while simultaneously trying to abbreviate everything (not just > when txtin). > > Also both words are likely to raise a smile or a smirk as they are old > fashioned terms now. The type of thing one might expect from a large > established institution, such as one of the well reputed Universities (Oxford > or Cambridge in the UK). Their use in the handbook might be seen as "tongue > in cheek" humour. A good thing. > > So, it's all good :) > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > >> >> From: Martin Fox >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Wednesday, 26 December 2012, 9:14 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping Jean - Base Handbook Chapter 1 >> translated >> >> Hi Robert and Jean >> This is a problem which arises when multilingual databases are used. What I >> normally do is to use forms with labels instead of field names. That way I >> can >> use what I like for field names, but can programatically change the form >> labels >> depending on which language is in use. >> >> For the purpose of the guide/handbook, what is more important is showing the >> reader the basics of Base (!). So I agree, we should not worry about table >> field names at this stage. The more important thing is to ensure consistency >> across the chapters, so that the readers are given one term throughout - >> whether it be recall notice, overdue notice or whatever in the case of a >> Mahnung. >> >> Enjoy your Boxing Day/Stephanstag usw >> >> regards >> Martin >> >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:21:20 +1000 >> Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Robert Großkopf >>> wrote: >>>> Hello Martin, >>>>> >>>>> note re Mahnung. >>>>> >>>>> A Mahnung is what one receives anytime something is overdue. Typically it >>>>> will be a payment of a bill that you forgot. A polite letter comes >>>>> entitled "First Mahnung". Typically there is no penalty imposed at this >>>>> stage. The second Mahnung and beyond gets messy - nobody wants to go there >>>>> in Switzerland!! >>>>> >>>>> In the case of our library I receive the Mahnung by email telling me it is >>>>> overdue and informing me how much I owe in a fine. >>>>> >>>>> I seem to recall that in the English library system it was called an >>>>> overdue notice. >>>> >>>> Do you think we have to change the term in the databases? In the report >>>> of the database O have called this "Admonition". >>>> If changing is necessary we have to decide, which term I have to use. >>>> In case of this library you get a "Mahnung", when you haven't brought >>>> back the loan media. For every week you have to pay, for example, 0,25 €. >>>> >>>> I'm looking only in the www for the terms. And I don't know, if I will >>>> find the right terms at all. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>> >>> >>> Robert, I think we should leave it the way you have it in the >>> database, and we'll put a note in the Handbook that different terms >>> may be used in different library systems. What that item is called is
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised template for user guides
Hello In my opinion page borders in a user guide should be avoided because it can distract a user when reading. Page borders should only really be used if you are printing more than one page on a sheet of paper and this is can normally be setup in the printing dialog. The only time borders should be used is around illustrations and figures, especially when you have got more than one graphic in the illustration. Tables should also have an outline border. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 6 Dec 2012, at 10:18, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Isn't a black border soemthing to do with funerals and the greiving process? > Like people from some cultures have to wear black, or a black arm-band when > attending a funeral? > > > I think a green border would be nicer but no border might be even better as > it avoids the whole printer issue of not printing anything in the 4mm around > the edge of a page. If people print pages to A3 and then fold or cut then a > border can get messed-up too. When i make posters i try to avoid anything > that could look messy if cut or folded badly. > > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > >> >> From: Jean Weber >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012, 1:00 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised template for user guides >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:39 AM, John Smith wrote: >>> Hi Jean >>> May I suggest a change to the Scenario frame style? A simple change of >>> border colour from Blue to Black. All the instances of this frame style that >>> I've come across in the guides have black borders irrespective of the >>> template. I guess they've all been manually changed. >>> >>> Regards >>> JohnS >> >> >> Yes, definitely. Thanks for the reminder. I'll put it on the wiki page >> for the template revision if you haven't already done so. >> >> --Jean >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> >> > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised template for user guides
Hello Gary Another way is to slightly lessen the spacing above and below list items. For example body text at 12 point above and below then reduce all list items down to 11 or 10 point. This does make a list easy to spot on a page. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 12 Nov 2012, at 07:42, Gary Schnabl wrote: > On 11/6/2012 2:56 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean >> >> I have just picked up my email and would like to make a comment about >> templates. >> >> Is it possible to simplify the number of styles used in the template. For >> example, the list style has three styles - start; cont; end. It would be >> much better to have only two styles - List1 or Number1 for a normal list >> and List2 and Number2 for a sub-list that is indented to start at the text >> for List1 or Number1. >> >> Enjoying my holiday. Plenty of sun, swimming and beer. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS > > The primary purpose for the Start, Cont., and End paragraph styles associated > with the individual List n or Number n paragraph styles is to add some extra > vertical space after the very last list entry, regardless of its level (of > nesting). IOW, the formatting goal is to have only one such "End" entry in a > multilevel list (with the extra space), and that "End" style is assigned to > the very last list item, which could be at any nesting level, depending upon > whatever it was that the author wrote. > > One manner of eliminating those Start, Cont., and End styles for the > individual list nesting levels would be to define the overall list > differently--as a block that applies the extra vertical space automatically > at the end of the "''blocked" list (before the next style following the list). > > > Gary > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Items for revised template for LO user guides
Hello Jean One idea about warnings, cautions and notes is to use a graphic for each type immediately followed by the title WARNING, CAUTION, or NOTE in bold italic upper case. The text in italic then immediately follows the title. This makes it quite distinctive on a page. I have used this method in my past life. Also used it without italic text. All depends on if you like using italic text, which sometimes does not fully convert in some languages. As you can gather, I am now back behind my home office desk slowly recovering from a great vacation. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 Nov 2012, at 23:42, Jean Weber wrote: > Here are some of the items on my list: > * Use built-in styles wherever possible; remove all the custom styles (the > ones that start with OOo). > * Define the formatting of the built-in styles to match the corresponding > custom styles that are being removed. > * Use only these list styles (NOT separate ones for start, continue, and > end of list): List 1, List 2, List 3, Numbering > 1, Numbering 2. Numbering 3. > * Change the Tip/Note/Caution formatting to NOT be in tables, which do not > export well to HTML or ePUB. (For this we need to decide what we want in > place of the tables that will look OK in print and in other formats. This > will take some research and experimentation and can be implemented later; > no need to hold up the revised template for something complicated.) > > I'll add these to the wiki page for the new template, which I will create > unless someone else has already done so. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised template for user guides
Hello Jean I have just picked up my email and would like to make a comment about templates. Is it possible to simplify the number of styles used in the template. For example, the list style has three styles - start; cont; end. It would be much better to have only two styles - List1 or Number1 for a normal list and List2 and Number2 for a sub-list that is indented to start at the text for List1 or Number1. Enjoying my holiday. Plenty of sun, swimming and beer. Regards PeterS On 5 November 2012 20:54, Jean Weber wrote: > Thanks. I recalled the conversation but could not find it. When do you > think you might have this completed? --Jean > > On 06/11/2012, at 6:22, Jean-Francois Nifenecker < > jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net> wrote: > > > Hi Jean, > > > > Le 04/11/2012 01:24, Jean Weber a écrit : > >> Earlier this year we discussed the need for cleaning up our user guide > >> template. I have (probably incomplete) notes on what needs to be done. > Is > >> someone working on this already? If not, I'll get started on it. > > > > I had started mapping the documentation styles, see my message in the > thread "Documentation Template", Tue May 08 10:35:18 2012 > > > > -- > > Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Peter Schofield, MISTC, LCGI psaut...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Draw Guide LO3.5 Full Book
Hello Jean I was using LO version 3.6.2 on my iMac to check the Draw Guide full book. I corrected some missing cross references, ran update all and that is when the TOC appeared after Chap 2 title page. The missing cross references is something that has been happening since I have been using LO on the user guides. You fix the cross reference and the next time you open the file there are more missing cross references. This has also happened on a laptop running Ubuntu so it is not specific to one OS. Needs investigating by the software guys with some urgency. It could put users off from seriously using LO as a replacement for MS version. Regards PeterS On 22 October 2012 11:36, Jean Weber wrote: > On 21/10/2012, at 10:44, PeeWee wrote: > > I have fixed the TOC problem and some more lost cross references and not > the > > same ones as 20 October. These lost cross references means to me that > there > > is a problem in LibreOffice as it does keep happening. > > What version of LO were you using? I saw the problem in the file in > v3.5.x and then v 3.6.1, so I upgraded to v3.6.2 and the problem went > away... or at least I didn't see it any more. Perhaps I was lucky, or > I missed something. > > > I have sent the new > > version to Jean by email because of the following problems. > > > > At the moment I cannot access the ODF Authors website as it keeps > telling me > > there is an error. It was OK yesterday. > > > > Also, cannot access the LO documentation wiki page and log in ... > > > > Can somebody report these problems > > I have now uploaded replacement ODT file to ODFAuthors and both ODT > and PDF files to the wiki. I haven't checked them closely to make sure > that no problems (missing x-refs or whatever) remain, so if you spot > anything, let me know. > > --Jean > -- Peter Schofield, MISTC, LCGI psaut...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Should we skip the guides for v3.6 and do other work, then v3.7?
Hello Jean Version 3.6 for Draw should not take very long. First impressions there is little difference between 3.5 and 3.6. However, the indexing needs to be done and this may slow me down a little. Also I shall be on vacation from Saturday and back at my home desk 12 November. I think Impress 3.6 will be the same as Draw 3.6. I have not looked at the other guides even though I am using LibreOfficxe. I am ones those who skips the guides until I want to do something different. I am willing to tackle any other guide. However, my spreadsheet and database experience is very limited, but do have enough knowledge not to get phased trying to work things out. Just let me know which one to get my teeth into. Regards PeterS On 18 Oct 2012, at 13:12, Jean Weber wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> +1 >> If there is time it would be nice to get the GS done for 3.6.x but since >> that is already available for people for all the other branches i think that >> can be safely left too. >> >> I think i would suggest going even further and make a decision now not to do >> the full run of 3.7.x either! Just the GS in time for Christmas and either >> Writer or Calc to follow? > > Nitpick: v3.7 is scheduled for release in early February, so no need > to attempt to get GS done by Christmas. > > I certainly agree that Writer and Calc guides should be given priority > for v3.7, assuming we can find people to do the work. Perhaps PeterS > can be persuaded to delay work on Draw and Impress and jump into the > Calc or Guide. Perhaps John Smith will come back and work on Writer? > Perhaps someone else will show up? One can hope! > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING PeterS: Draw Guide 3.5 Chapter 10 reviewed
Hello Hazel and Jean Everything is fine and this chapter is ready for publishing. Hazel it is over to your for proofing. The file is in the feedback folder at http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/feedback-lo3.5/dg3.5-ch10-advanced-draw-techniques/view Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 17 Oct 2012, at 15:05, Hazel Russman wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:52:18 +0200 > Jean Weber wrote: > >> Peter, >> I have uploaded here my review of DG 3.5 Chapter 10, for your >> consideration. >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/feedback-lo3.5/dg3.5-ch10-advanced-draw-techniques/view >> >> --Jean >> > I'll hold off until I know this is ready for proofing. > -- > H Russman > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Chap 9 & 10
Hello Hazel and Jean The file uploaded into the Feedback LO3.5 folder is for version Draw LO3.4. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 16 Oct 2012, at 19:02, Hazel Russman wrote: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:44:04 +0200 > Jean Weber wrote: > >> Yes, cheering! I will pick up chapters 9 & 10 when I can get a >> connection other than the phone. I'm sure they will be good (or very >> close) for publishing, though it would be good for Hazel to have a >> look when she has a chance. >> >> Have a great holiday. I'll be at the LibreOffice conference from >> Tuesday and get home to Australia on the 24th. >> >> --Jean >> >> > I have just uploaded Chapter 9 into the feedback folder with one or two small > changes. I couldn't find Chapter 10. Where is it? > > -- > > H Russman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING PeterS: Re: Draw Guide 3.5 Chapter 9 Adding Formatting Text
Hello Jean I have checked Chap 09 and it is OK. It is in the Published LO3.5 folder on the ODF Authors website and I have placed the chapter onto the LO documentation wiki page. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 13 Oct 2012, at 20:49, Jean Weber wrote: > I have put my edited version of this file here: > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/feedback-lo3.5/dg3.5-ch9-adding-formatting-text/view > > Changes were recorded. However, some changes (such paragraph styles > and resizing of images) do not get recorded. > > My edit was fairly quick and dirty, so I may have missed some things. > > Over to you, Peter. > > --Jean > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >> I have good internet access tonight, so I have downloaded DG chapters 9 and >> 10. >> >> I am editing Chapter 9 and will return it later tonight for Peter's >> attention and approval. I'll let you know when that's done. I may or >> may not get to Chapter 10. >> >> --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING PeterS: Draw Guide Preface?
Hello Tom I am not quite on holiday yet so I will have time for the preface and the new section about screen shots and icons, which is now going in the preface. Also, hiding a away in front my computer keeps me from getting in my lovely wife's way while she is buzzing around the house. Regards PeterS On 14 Oct 2012, at 19:55, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think that is an excellent plan but it can wait until you get back, or wait for the next guide. Real-life is sometimes more important and this is one of those times imo. It's a grand plan and might take too much time away from your preparations from your journey. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 14/10/12, Peter Schofield wrote: From: Peter Schofield Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING PeterS: Draw Guide Preface? To: "Jean Weber" Cc: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:52 Hello Jean I had forgotten about the preface. Thanks for the reminder. I shall look at it before I go south of the Equator and try to produce a preface that is generic so it can be used for all the guides. I have already started on version LO3.6 Draw Chap 01. I am going to add a section on screen shots and icons so the user understands why their LO does not quite match what they see in the user guide. I am going to make this generic so it could be used in all the guides. I think positioning this new section after in the introduction in chapter 1 would be the best place as more users will read the chapters and skip the preface. Let me know what you think. I shall send you a draft copy as soon as I have tidied it up a t bit. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 13 Oct 2012, at 20:50, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > > Were you intending to produce a revised version of the Preface for the > Draw Guide and/or the Impress Guide? > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/ documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING PeterS: Draw Guide Preface?
Hello Jean I had forgotten about the preface. Thanks for the reminder. I shall look at it before I go south of the Equator and try to produce a preface that is generic so it can be used for all the guides. I have already started on version LO3.6 Draw Chap 01. I am going to add a section on screen shots and icons so the user understands why their LO does not quite match what they see in the user guide. I am going to make this generic so it could be used in all the guides. I think positioning this new section after in the introduction in chapter 1 would be the best place as more users will read the chapters and skip the preface. Let me know what you think. I shall send you a draft copy as soon as I have tidied it up a t bit. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 13 Oct 2012, at 20:50, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > > Were you intending to produce a revised version of the Preface for the > Draw Guide and/or the Impress Guide? > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Chapter 8 Completely New Version
Hello Jean Chapter 8 now published on ODF Authors website and LibreOffice documentation website. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Oct 2012, at 21:58, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > Good reorganisation. Minor edits: > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/feedback-lo3.5/dg3.5-ch8-connections-flowcharts-orgcharts/view > > --Jean > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:18 AM, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> The original Chap 08 Tips & Tricks in version LO3.4 has been deleted. It did >> not contain any tips or tricks, just instructions that have now been moved >> to the following chapters: >> >> Zoom and snap functions to Chap 03. >> Duplication to Chap 05. >> Color, drawing to scale, multiple layers and pages to Chap 09 Advanced Draw >> Techniques. >> >> With the deletion of Chap 08 Tips & Tricks, Chap 09 is renumbered to Chap 08 >> and Chap 10 is renumbered to Chap 09. File names are changed to reflect this >> change of chapter number. >> >> The name of this new Chapter 8 is now Connections, Flowcharts and >> Organization Charts and the file name is now >> DG3508-ConnectionsFlowchartsOrganizationCharts.odt >> >> I will be correcting cross references in the other chapters to reflect these >> changes. >> >> Please review and comment on these changes. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Chapter 3 New Version
Hello Jean Chapter 3 is published on ODF Authors website and LibreOffice Documentation website. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 3 Oct 2012, at 12:38, Jean Weber wrote: > Feel free to publish! Wiki and ODFAuthors. Thanks, Peter. > > --Jean > > On 03/10/2012, at 10:15, PeeWee wrote: > >> Hello Jean >> >> I deleted one word in the first note and repositioned one figure for better >> layout. >> >> Now ready to be published. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Chapter 5 New Version
Hello Jean Chapter 5 is published on the ODF Authors website and LibreOffice Documentation website. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Oct 2012, at 21:39, Jean Weber wrote: > Trivial edits (some not visible; paragraph style changes). I agree > with your addition of topics from the former Tips chapter. > > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/feedback-lo3.5/dg3.5-ch5-combining-multiple-objects/view > > --Jean > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:28 AM, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> A new version of Draw LO3.5 Chapter 5 has been placed in the Draw LO3.5 >> drafts folder on the ODF Authors website. >> >> Duplication and cross fading has been added to this chapter from Chap 08 >> Tips & Tricks. Duplication and cross fading are procedures the user needs to >> know and are not tips and tricks. >> >> Please review and comment on this new version and let me know if you agree. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Apple mountain lion will not allow libreoffice to be installed.
Hello Jean and Richard It is early morning for me and the coffee is still working its way through. I know LibreOffice installs no problem under Lion, Snow Leopard and Leopard Mac operating systems. You just get the warning when you first run LibreOffice. Richard Is your Mountain Lion an upgrade from Lion or a brand new install? If it an upgrade, then all I can suggest is a downgrade to Lion, install LibreOffice, open and close the program to make sure it works. If everything is OK, trying upgrading to Mountain Lion again. I know there has been one or two incompatible problems with Mountain Lion which is usual for an operating systems. I cannot test this one because I do not have Mountain Lion installed - my Macs are too old. Regards Peter Schofield On 10 Sep 2012, at 08:44, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, the subject line says Apple Mountain Lion. > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Richard >> >> Not knowing which operating system you are using, then it is difficult to >> advise. >> >> Go to http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ and the instructions >> for each major operating system are there. >> >> I know if you are using Windows, you will get a warning message about the >> security when you install LibreOffice. Just carry on installing. With Mac >> OS, you will get a warning message when you first start LibreOffice after >> installation. Again just carry on. >> >> There is nothing wrong with LibreOffice as a developer. Sometimes it is >> other more commercial companies that are a bit slow in recognising a good >> package of office software. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> >> >> On 10 Sep 2012, at 03:25, Richard Lawrence wrote: >> >>> I need assistance in using your program. LibreOffice. >>> Having downloaded your program, attempting to install it I receive a >>> message that it cannot be installed because it is from an unrecognized >>> developer. (sic) >>> >>> What do I do to use this program? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Richard Lawrence >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Apple mountain lion will not allow libreoffice to be installed.
Hello Richard Not knowing which operating system you are using, then it is difficult to advise. Go to http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/ and the instructions for each major operating system are there. I know if you are using Windows, you will get a warning message about the security when you install LibreOffice. Just carry on installing. With Mac OS, you will get a warning message when you first start LibreOffice after installation. Again just carry on. There is nothing wrong with LibreOffice as a developer. Sometimes it is other more commercial companies that are a bit slow in recognising a good package of office software. Regards Peter Schofield On 10 Sep 2012, at 03:25, Richard Lawrence wrote: > I need assistance in using your program. LibreOffice. > Having downloaded your program, attempting to install it I receive a message > that it cannot be installed because it is from an unrecognized developer. > (sic) > > What do I do to use this program? > > Regards > > > Richard Lawrence > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Change LO icon set shown in user guides?
Hello Jean If Tango has become the default set of icons for LO3.6, then I think we should change the user guides to reflect this. In my opinion most LO users will not bother to change the settings of LO to show the Galaxy icon set and it will be better to use screen shots showing the Tango icon set. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 1 Sep 2012, at 12:02, Jean Weber wrote: > In our user guides, we've always used the "default" icon set (theme), > which is Galaxy. On some operating systems, this default was different > from the "automatic" icon set or theme. In recent Ubuntu installs, > Galaxy wasn't even offered to users as a choice unless they knew how > to get it from the software center. > > With LO 3.6, the "automatic" icon set is Tango on all three major o/s > (Windows, Linux, Mac). This means that many (though not all) of the > screenshots in our docs will not match what many users (especially new > users) will see. > > Therefore it is probably time to change our user guides over to the > new icon set and create new screenshots as needed. In many cases, we > will need new screenshots anyway, because of other GUI changes. > > What do you think? Should we change to the Tango icon set at this > point, or keep using the Galaxy set? > > Changing screenshots can be done either by the person making updates > to the text, or by someone else. We prefer that screenshots NOT be > done on Windows, so if you use Linux (preferred) or a Mac, you can be > very helpful by working on images even if you don't want to work on > the text. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating books for v3.6
Hello Jean I have almost finished Chapter 6 of the Draw guide LO3.5 which is proving to be a little () difficult. I have Chapters 7 to 10 to complete to LO3.5. Once finished I shall be immediately moving onto LO3.6 version. From first looks there appears to be little change between LO3.5 and LO3.6. Regards PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 1 Aug 2012, at 18:33, Jean Weber wrote: > LibreOffice v3.6 is scheduled for release very soon. It's past time to > work on updates to the books. This page summarises new features and > fixes. > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes > > If a chapter or book has not yet been updated to v3.5, you'll need to > check the page for v3.5 new features; in some cases (such as Writer) > these may be significant. > > If a chapter or book has already been updated to v3.5, changes for > v3.6 may be relatively minor. > > Please let the list know what chapter(s) you plan to work on. If you > need help to make sure you are starting from the latest available v3.4 > or 3.5 file, please ask on the list. In general, just go to ODFAuthors > and look in the "Published" subfolders. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Eliminate points in Draw
Hello Sorry to disagree with you, but here is how the it works in Draw LO3.5 on all three major operating systems. The delete point is active ALL the time when you select a point on a curve, polygon or free form object, whether it is a curve or a curve converted to a line. Select a point and click on the Delete Point icon on the Edit toolbar or press the Delete key. The point is deleted and a straight line is formed between the two points either side of the deleted points. Eliminate Points only becomes active when a curve has been converted to line. First select a curve and use the Convert to Curve tool on the Edit Toolbar to convert it to a line. Select a point and select the Eliminate Points tool. Click and drag the point until the line becomes a straight line between the two pints either side of the selected point. Release the mouse button and the selected point is eliminated or deleted. The same result can easily be achieved using the Delete Point tool or the Delete key. The Delete Points and the Delete key have one further advantage. You can select more than one point using the Shift key and mouse clicks, then delete the selected points with one click or key press. Eliminate Points tool cannot do this. Conclusion, Eliminate Points tool is an overly complicated method of creating a straight line between two points. In my opinion Eliminate Points should be removed from Draw because the Delete Point and the Delete key serve the same purpose, but in a far simpler way with the above added advantage. This will be described in the Draw user guide for LO3.5. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 4 Jul 2012, at 13:38, kedarnath wrote: > hi, > 1.Using the Curve icon drop down draw a)curve b) polygon c)polygon 45degrees > d)freeform objects. And next draw e) straight line object. The delete point > action icon does not appear at all only eliminate point is active. The > delete point icon becomes active when you convert it to a polygon.Draw from > its Star office / OpenOffice days had intention to be the best Drawing and > Darfting program - Even today it can import AutoCad dxf formats. And Raster > to vector converted dxf files. And recently SVG formats. I think checking > older documentation would help. I strongly believe that programmers develop > amd put together code that definite purpose. > > regards > > > > > ----- > - Original Message -From: Peter Schofield To: > documentation@global.libreoffice.orgCc: Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:32 > PMSubject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Eliminate points in DrawHello > Martin and JKThank you for the hints.I am rewriting the Draw guide for LO3.5 > and using version LO3.4 as a base. The instructions given in version 3.4 are > very poor and difficult to understand.At first I could not get the Eliminate > Points to work, but have now succeeded in getting it to work. In my opinion > this is an overly complicated way of deleting a point.Once a curve has been > converted to a line with more than one point on the line, you select the > point you want to remove and then use the Delete Point tool, which is also on > the Edit Points toolbar. The selected point is deleted and a straight line is > created between the two points either side of the deleted point. This is a > far simpler method of deleting or eliminating a point and > produces exactly the same result.I think that we should remove the Eliminate > Points tool from the Edit Points toolbar as it is unnecessary. Now I need to > know who to contact within the Document Foundation to make this > suggestion.RegardsPeter Schofieldpsauthor@gmail.comOn 3 Jul 2012, at 17:03, > Martin Fox wrote:> Chapter 3 has an example I think.> Martin> > On Tue, 3 Jul > 2012 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT)> PeeWee wrote:> >> On the Edit > Points toolbar there is a tool called Eliminate Points.>> >> The explanation > in LO Draw help and version 3.4 of the guide do not explain>> what this tool > is for. The following is the text extracted from Draw help:>> >> "Marks the > current point or the selected points for deletion. This happens>> in the > event that the point is located on a straight line. If you convert a>> curve > or a polygon with the Convert to Curve icon into a straight line or>> you > change a curve with the mouse so that a point lies on the > straight line,>> it is removed. The angle from which the point reduction is > to take place can>> be set by choosing LibreOffice Draw - Grid in the Options > dialog box">> >> I understand how to convert a curve to a line, but I cannot > get this>> Eliminate Points tool to work.>> &g
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Eliminate points in Draw
Hello Martin and JK Thank you for the hints. I am rewriting the Draw guide for LO3.5 and using version LO3.4 as a base. The instructions given in version 3.4 are very poor and difficult to understand. At first I could not get the Eliminate Points to work, but have now succeeded in getting it to work. In my opinion this is an overly complicated way of deleting a point. Once a curve has been converted to a line with more than one point on the line, you select the point you want to remove and then use the Delete Point tool, which is also on the Edit Points toolbar. The selected point is deleted and a straight line is created between the two points either side of the deleted point. This is a far simpler method of deleting or eliminating a point and produces exactly the same result. I think that we should remove the Eliminate Points tool from the Edit Points toolbar as it is unnecessary. Now I need to know who to contact within the Document Foundation to make this suggestion. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 3 Jul 2012, at 17:03, Martin Fox wrote: > Chapter 3 has an example I think. > Martin > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 05:25:44 -0700 (PDT) > PeeWee wrote: > >> On the Edit Points toolbar there is a tool called Eliminate Points. >> >> The explanation in LO Draw help and version 3.4 of the guide do not explain >> what this tool is for. The following is the text extracted from Draw help: >> >> "Marks the current point or the selected points for deletion. This happens >> in the event that the point is located on a straight line. If you convert a >> curve or a polygon with the Convert to Curve icon into a straight line or >> you change a curve with the mouse so that a point lies on the straight line, >> it is removed. The angle from which the point reduction is to take place can >> be set by choosing LibreOffice Draw - Grid in the Options dialog box" >> >> I understand how to convert a curve to a line, but I cannot get this >> Eliminate Points tool to work. >> >> Also why have an Eliminate Points tool when there is already a tool called >> Delete Points, which is very simple to use. >> >> Can anybody shed some light on this one or point in the right direction to >> find the information. >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Eliminate-points-in-Draw-tp3993440.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting >> guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List >> archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All >> messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >> > > > -- > Martin J Fox > 马丁·福克斯 > mar...@mjfox.ch > buti...@bluewin.ch > Skype: butibum > ___ > QQ 775937674 / MSN buti...@hotmail.com > VK7MM/HB9TQX > Registered as #324626 with the Linux counter, www.counter.li.org > 5 out of 2 people are dyslexic Dyslexics of the world: untie! > Email sent using Axigen Free Mail Server: > http://www.axigen.com/mail-server/free > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
Hello Jean and Tom In my opinion we need a dictionary of terms that everybody has to follow. The dictionary should also include the use on contractions and the apostrophe. I have used this type of dictionary before when I worked with Ericsson in Sweden and Netherlands. A few examples: Log in/log out not login/logout Set up not setup Cannot not can not or can't Do not not don't To not in order to It is not it's It does need a volunteer to do this and the dictionary could be included in the technical writers' guide. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 28 Jun 2012, at 02:57, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > That is why i so often say "i think" or similar things to try to make it > clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of > being a suggestion. The idea is that other people chime in with what they > would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously > or just pertinent information to help the discussion. > > When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and > certainly didn't apply to this thread. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber wrote: > > From: Jean Weber > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17 > > Tom, > You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style. > > Marc, > I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check > on something. > > --Jean > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> I think for documentation it might be good to use. >> log-in >> log-out >> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs. There is probably a list >> of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it. >> I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where >> possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and >> logout. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré wrote: >> >> From: Marc Paré >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06 >> >> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage >> of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking >> for clarification of usage for this: >> >> You will find the _ button here. >> >> Do you (we) use: >> >> log-in >> login >> log in >> log -out >> logout >> log out >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> Marc >> >> >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Setting default page size
Hello Jean/Tom A user in Europe would normally set their locale to the country for LO, so there should be no problem. The LO I am using for screen shots was set US. So it had me a little puzzled until my brain woke up. Is this mentioned in the setting up guide? Braai is short for braaivleis. An Afrikaans word meaning cooking meat using fire. After living in south Africa for many years I am used to using braai, which is much better sounding than barbecue. PeterS Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 18 Jun 2012, at 10:54, Jean Weber wrote: > The short form for barbecue is spelt "barbie" in Australia. > > I think using a new default template is a better solution than > changing the locale, even though I didn't think of it at first. > > --Jean > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Barbie = small doll >> I dunno what is short for barbeque when written down. It sounds the same >> but i guess misses the i. That is weird that A4 is set by locale. Nicely >> found!! >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> --- On Mon, 18/6/12, PeeWee wrote: >> >> From: PeeWee >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Setting default page size >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 9:32 >> >> Hello again >> >> Ignore this request for help. >> >> I have found the setting to make sure Draw opens using A4 page size. >> >> You go to Tools > Options > Language Settings > Locale setting and change it >> to English (UK). >> >> Now why didn't I think of that first. Brain is still asleep after the braai >> yesterday (braai South African for a barbie). >> >> Regards >> >> PeterS >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Setting-default-page-size-tp3990681p3990683.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 3.6 is approaching quickly!
Hello Jean Back from a wonderful holiday in Croatia. Definitely worth visiting again and we are already making tentative plans for next year. Now it is back to work. If you can point me in the right direction to get a reasonably stable version of LO3.6, I can continue with Draw guide LO3.5. Then check LO3.5 guide against LO3.6 after completing each chapter. Make any necessary alterations and we shall be a little ahead when it is a go for publishing LO3.6 guides. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 14 Jun 2012, at 08:21, Jean Weber wrote: > I have now studied the features lists for v3.5 > (http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/) and > v3.6 (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6). > > Numerous important changes were made in v3.5 to Writer and Draw as > well as Impress. Few new or updated features are listed for Draw and > Impress v3.6. > > Updating the Draw Guide to 3.5 should not be a major job for PeterS, > because of the overlap between Draw and Impress. He has already agreed > to do it. Producing a v3.6 book for Draw or Impress should require > very little further work. > > Updating the affected chapters of the Writer Guide to v3.5 will be a > fair bit of work for whoever does it (JohnS?), but then the update to > v3.6 should be relatively minor. > > Calc appears to have numerous important changes in v3.5 and in v3.6, > so perhaps a case can be made for skipping a Calc Guide for v3.5 and > going directly to v3.6... assuming anyone is available to work on it, > given everything else that needs to be done. > > IMO, we should have a Getting Started guide for v3.5 and another for > v3.6. But again, that assumes someone is available to work on it. I > traditionally do that book, other than the chapters extracted from > work others do for other books (Writer, Impress, Draw, Calc). > > So, to summarise: > I think we should NOT skip the v3.5 books (other than, perhaps, Calc), > because of the major changes in v3.5. However, if individual > volunteers prefer to go directly to v3.6 for whatever they are working > on, I won't argue. > > BTW, I intend to work on the remaining chapters of Calc v3.4 over the > next few days, so we can finish that book as soon as Andrew Pitonyak > does his chapters. > > After that, I intend to work on Getting Started v3.5. > > --Jean > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jean Weber wrote: >> Don't know whether 3.6 is usable enough for us to start documenting >> it, but it should be. It's in early beta at the moment. I haven't >> tested it nor even read through the list of updates yet. >> >> Skipping 3.5.x guides: I'll look at the features lists for 3.5 and 3.6 >> and form an opinion today or tomorrow. Skipping a release has both >> advantages and disadvantages, so the pros and cons need to be weighed >> up. Sometimes incremental updating works best; sometimes it's not >> needed. (Others' informed opinions are welcome, of course.) >> >> --Jean >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >>> Hi :) >>> Is the 3.6.x usable enough to completely skip all the remaining 3.5.x >>> guides and go straight to the 3.6.x guides instead? >>> Regards from >>> Tom :) >>> >>> --- On Wed, 13/6/12, Jean Weber wrote: >>> >>> From: Jean Weber >>> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 3.6 is approaching quickly! >>> To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org >>> Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 23:32 >>> >>> This article is a nice summary: >>> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-3-6-0-enters-beta-testing-1616858.html >>> >>> It contains links to relevant LO wiki pages including: >>> * the release plan, >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/3.6#3.6.0_release >>> * the preliminary Release Notes, >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.6 >>> >>> Note that release is scheduled for late July - early August. We need >>> to finish the v3.4 Calc Guide and all the v3.5 books, as well as work >>> on v3.6. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress 3.4 Guide published
Hello Yamini If you are a subscriber to LibreOffice documentation forum then you will receive emails from the forum. If you do not want to receive these emails, then go to http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ and unsubscribe. This forum is used for anything to do with LO documentation and sometimes postings are addressed to a specific person, but is for reading by all subscribers. Hope that helps. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 29 May 2012, at 19:27, Yamini Mehta wrote: > > > > PeterS > > Why are your sending me these emails addressed to somebody named Jean? I am > not jean, so don't send me these kind of emails. > > > > > ** > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:00:33 -0700 >> From: psaut...@gmail.com >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Impress 3.4 Guide published >> >> Hello Jean >> >> Thank you for the compliments about my efforts. >> >> Technical writing is something I enjoy and try to be perfect at it (nobody >> is perfect though). That ethos comes from seeing all those badly written >> manuals that seem to come with every non-food item that you buy nowadays. A >> well written manual saves money on providing support for users who do not >> understand. I just wish that manufacturers would understand that little >> thought. >> >> I have started Draw LO3.5 and I have downloaded all the chapters. However, >> there will be a short interruption until 9th June as we are off to Croatia >> for a short holiday eating good food, drinking Croatian beer and plenty of >> walking in the national park at Plitvice Lakes. That means no computer and >> no internet. >> >> Now switching to holiday mode. >> >> PeterS >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Impress-3-4-Guide-published-tp3986352p3986483.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version LO3.4
Hello Jean The Impress Getting Started chapter is now on my list. I shall have a look at it next week as this weekend has been reserved by lovely Polish wife for some DIY around our home. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 May 2012, at 23:53, Jean Weber wrote: > Thank you! > > Another chapter to do when you have a chance is Getting Started with Impress > 3.5. That should be quick and easy since you are now familiar with the > changes. > > Jean > > On 25/05/2012, at 21:17, Peter Schofield wrote: > >> Hello Jean >> >> Chap 11 and Appendix A are now in the drafts folder on ODF Authors website. >> >> Now to continue updating the Draw guide to LO3.5. >> >> Please note that I shall be on a short holiday in Croatia from about 3rd >> June for about one week. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> On 25 May 2012, at 12:31, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Put on the wiki if you can as well as in the Published folder on >>> ODFAuthors. And let me know which page etc so I can correct it in the >>> print edition as well. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Peter Schofield wrote: >>>> Hello Jean >>>> >>>> I found an cross reference error in Chap 10 LO3.5. I have corrected the >>>> ODT and created another PDF file. Should I put up on the ODF website or >>>> straight intot he wiki page? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Peter Schofield >>>> psaut...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 25 May 2012, at 12:15, Jean Weber wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yay, Peter! I'll process asap. >>>>> >>>>> --Jean >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM, PeeWee wrote: >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> Chapters 6 to 10 for the Impress Guide version LO 3.4 are now in the >>>>>> drafts >>>>>> folder on the ODF Authors site. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chapter 10 has had figures changed for PDF export and the text altered >>>>>> for >>>>>> general PDF options. "Create hybrid file" has been added. This was >>>>>> removed >>>>>> from LO3.5. >>>>>> >>>>>> Only Chap 11 and Appendix A to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>>>> Problems? >>>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>>> deleted >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>>> Problems? >>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version LO3.4
Hello Jean Chap 11 and Appendix A are now in the drafts folder on ODF Authors website. Now to continue updating the Draw guide to LO3.5. Please note that I shall be on a short holiday in Croatia from about 3rd June for about one week. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 May 2012, at 12:31, Jean Weber wrote: > Put on the wiki if you can as well as in the Published folder on > ODFAuthors. And let me know which page etc so I can correct it in the > print edition as well. > > --Jean > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean >> >> I found an cross reference error in Chap 10 LO3.5. I have corrected the ODT >> and created another PDF file. Should I put up on the ODF website or straight >> intot he wiki page? >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> On 25 May 2012, at 12:15, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Yay, Peter! I'll process asap. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM, PeeWee wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> Chapters 6 to 10 for the Impress Guide version LO 3.4 are now in the drafts >>>> folder on the ODF Authors site. >>>> >>>> Chapter 10 has had figures changed for PDF export and the text altered for >>>> general PDF options. "Create hybrid file" has been added. This was removed >>>> from LO3.5. >>>> >>>> Only Chap 11 and Appendix A to do. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version LO3.4
Jean ODT and PDF files of Chap 10 are on the ODF Authors website and I have uploaded to the wiki page. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 May 2012, at 12:31, Jean Weber wrote: > Put on the wiki if you can as well as in the Published folder on > ODFAuthors. And let me know which page etc so I can correct it in the > print edition as well. > > --Jean > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean >> >> I found an cross reference error in Chap 10 LO3.5. I have corrected the ODT >> and created another PDF file. Should I put up on the ODF website or straight >> intot he wiki page? >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> On 25 May 2012, at 12:15, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Yay, Peter! I'll process asap. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM, PeeWee wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> Chapters 6 to 10 for the Impress Guide version LO 3.4 are now in the drafts >>>> folder on the ODF Authors site. >>>> >>>> Chapter 10 has had figures changed for PDF export and the text altered for >>>> general PDF options. "Create hybrid file" has been added. This was removed >>>> from LO3.5. >>>> >>>> Only Chap 11 and Appendix A to do. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version LO3.4
Jean It is on page 4 of Chap 10 in the note at the bottom last sentence. It should read "See “Selecting default print options” on page 7 for more information." Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 May 2012, at 12:31, Jean Weber wrote: > Put on the wiki if you can as well as in the Published folder on > ODFAuthors. And let me know which page etc so I can correct it in the > print edition as well. > > --Jean > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean >> >> I found an cross reference error in Chap 10 LO3.5. I have corrected the ODT >> and created another PDF file. Should I put up on the ODF website or straight >> intot he wiki page? >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> On 25 May 2012, at 12:15, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Yay, Peter! I'll process asap. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM, PeeWee wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> Chapters 6 to 10 for the Impress Guide version LO 3.4 are now in the drafts >>>> folder on the ODF Authors site. >>>> >>>> Chapter 10 has had figures changed for PDF export and the text altered for >>>> general PDF options. "Create hybrid file" has been added. This was removed >>>> from LO3.5. >>>> >>>> Only Chap 11 and Appendix A to do. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version LO3.4
Hello Jean I found an cross reference error in Chap 10 LO3.5. I have corrected the ODT and created another PDF file. Should I put up on the ODF website or straight intot he wiki page? Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 25 May 2012, at 12:15, Jean Weber wrote: > Yay, Peter! I'll process asap. > > --Jean > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> Chapters 6 to 10 for the Impress Guide version LO 3.4 are now in the drafts >> folder on the ODF Authors site. >> >> Chapter 10 has had figures changed for PDF export and the text altered for >> general PDF options. "Create hybrid file" has been added. This was removed >> from LO3.5. >> >> Only Chap 11 and Appendix A to do. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating Draw Guide to v3.5
Jean Is there a LO3.5 template for the guide chapters? Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 20 May 2012, at 23:47, Jean Weber wrote: > In another thread, Tom said, >> getting Draw up to 3.5 would help show off a few of the new features that >> attract a lot of the attention. > > I agree that the v3.5 Draw Guide should be a high priority. > > Draw shares a lot of functionality with Impress, so perhaps PeterS, would you > like to take a lash at some of the Draw Guide? Up to you, of course; you may > have something else in mind for your next LO docs project. Or perhaps a > holiday! > > Jean > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating Draw Guide to v3.5
Hello Jean A short holiday is planned, but does depend on my lovely Polish wife getting holiday. Usual problem of being short handed in her hospital unit and no decision yet from management. I was wondering what to do next to occupy my time. The Draw Guide it will be. I will also downgrade Impress LO3.5 chapters to LO3.4 so we have a complete set. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 20 May 2012, at 23:47, Jean Weber wrote: > In another thread, Tom said, >> getting Draw up to 3.5 would help show off a few of the new features that >> attract a lot of the attention. > > I agree that the v3.5 Draw Guide should be a high priority. > > Draw shares a lot of functionality with Impress, so perhaps PeterS, would you > like to take a lash at some of the Draw Guide? Up to you, of course; you may > have something else in mind for your next LO docs project. Or perhaps a > holiday! > > Jean > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide Chapters 3, 4, and 5
Hello Jean I have never compiled a book so will leave it to you. I will have a practice offline during the week so I have the knowledge for future use. I have not seen the preface for the Getting Started guide, so I shall leave that to you. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 20 May 2012, at 10:59, Jean Weber wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, PeeWee wrote: >> The final chapters (3, 4, and 5) of the Impress Guide LO3.5 are now in the >> drafts folder on the ODF Authors website. >> >> The only major change was in Chap 03. One graphic changed for Asian and CTL >> fonts, and the associated paragraph altered to include CTL fonts. >> >> Now to convert the LO3.5 chapters back into LO3.4, which will not take too >> long. > > > Thanks, Peter. I collected chapters 3 & 4 earlier today, made a few > trivial tweaks (including changing the file name on one) and published > them on wiki and ODFAuthors. I'll do Ch5 soon. > > Shall I compile the book or do you want to? (I'm happy either way.) > > Should we create a preface for it, similar to the preface for Getting Started? > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] More Impress v3.5 chapters published
Hello Jean (again she says) I shall install LO3.4 on my old Toshiba laptop that I use as a test machine and check the 3.5 chapters against it just to make sure everything is OK. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 19 May 2012, at 07:35, Jean Weber wrote: > I've now published to the wiki and to ODFAuthors all the Impress v3.5 > chapters that PeterS has done in the past few weeks. > > Peter, do you think it's worth someone's while to retrofit your v3.5 > chapters 6 through Appendix A for v3.4, so we can have a full v3.4 > book to complete the set of v3.4 books? I still have LO v3.4 on my > machine, and probably others do too. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] More Impress v3.5 chapters published
Hello Jean After converting the first couple of chapters to Impress LO3.5, I think all we need to do is change the publication message at the front from: "Published 26 March 2012. Based on LibreOffice 3.5." to "Published 26 March 2012. Based on LibreOffice 3.4." The earlier 3.4 chapters I upgraded to LO3.5 did not require any major changes. It was just correcting some minor errors that I found whilst reading the chapters and checking against the software. After busy period with personal things I can now get back to converting the remaining 3.4 chapters to LO3.5. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 19 May 2012, at 07:35, Jean Weber wrote: > I've now published to the wiki and to ODFAuthors all the Impress v3.5 > chapters that PeterS has done in the past few weeks. > > Peter, do you think it's worth someone's while to retrofit your v3.5 > chapters 6 through Appendix A for v3.4, so we can have a full v3.4 > book to complete the set of v3.4 books? I still have LO v3.4 on my > machine, and probably others do too. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles for list styles
Hello Gary My comments were thrown in the pot because nobody has yet mentioned making the template simple to use. This would encourage everybody to use it correctly. Simplifying the template would also make it easier to move an LO guide document into an electronic publishing package without having formatting errors appearing in the document. A template should have the minimum number of paragraph and character styles to provide a constant look and feel to LO guide documents. Besides the examples I gave earlier, another example is the Emphasis, Strong Emphasis and Menu character styles. No need for these because it is easier to use the standard bold and italic character styles that come with every word processor. You just have to write the writer instruction set stating what has to be used for what purpose. I knew that Framemaker was a hybrid package and started using it in 1987 to produce documents to government standards. It certainly has a steep learning curve, but it does grow on you once you have mastered the dark secrets. When I have time in a couple of weeks, I shall put together a sample document using my ideas so that everybody can see what I mean when with my suggestion of simplifying the template. Regards Peter On 11 May 2012, at 14:55, Gary Schnabl wrote: On 5/11/2012 3:04 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: Hello I have been following this discussion and found it very interesting. However, I would like to make one suggestion for the paragraph styles - KISS - keep it simple st. One example - why is there three styles for numbers and lists? There should be just one for each, that is OOoNum 123 and OOoList 1. There is no need for Start, Cont and End styles if you set paragraph spacing correctly. Prior to around 2008, OOo docs did not use any special list paragraph styles and primarily used direct formatting (use of manual overrides) for creating their lists--much like using the formatting bar instead of using character styles, etc. The OOo texts suggested the wise advice that manual overrides not be used in general; however, OOoAuthors tended to not always utilize such suggestions in their own writings. Using styles makes any reformatting of the texts much more professional--in addition to saving mucho time and effort afterward. So, using the list paragraph styles was incorporated in OOo writings around four years ago in an attempt for OOoAuthors to "eat their own home cooking" by using styles instead of the manual overrides from the earlier writings in this respect--for lists. Since then, various template designers expanded on them--resulting in what exists today in that regard--some good, some bad, some ugly. Revisiting this issue while still using the list paragraph styles would be my advice for lists. The heavy-lifting work would then would be done by the template designers so that the authors could simply use the predefined (the factory defaults or custom) list paragraph styles in coordination with the list styles themselves-- use the LO (predefined or custom) list styles for the selection of type of the ordered or unordered lists (indentation and bullet symbol used, etc.) and have the other list formatting done by the list paragraph styles. Second example - why do the style names begin with OOo? It would be better to simply name each style as Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on. This would make it easier to import the template into other software because other software normally uses Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on for style names. That usage dates back at least as far as OOo's pre-version 1.x days and was never discarded since. Personally, I prefer using the typical noncustom Heading n style names and creating custom styles only when necessary--e.g., when a factory-default style name does not exist. Another thing that might be considered is adapting the various flavors of the "Emphasis" character styles from MS Word, so that authors migrating over from Word could use them without creating them themselves. My experience comes from working in MS Word to initially create a document and then using Framemaker for the publishing program, which my opinion was one of the best in the market. So easy to compile many chapters into one massive manual. OOo/LO and MS Word are fancy word processors, whereas FrameMaker is a hybrid word processor and DTP application. A DTP app typically utilizes advanced typesetting algorithms, in addition to other DTP functions that word processors often do not do with ease. Adobe's InDesign is much like FrameMaker, especially since InDesign now has most of FrameMaker's capabilities. InDesign is typically used for creating advertising glossies and magazines/newspapers, while FrameMaker is more geared to building books. Myself, I tend to write book chapters with a word processor like OOo/
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles for list styles
Hello I have been following this discussion and found it very interesting. However, I would like to make one suggestion for the paragraph styles - KISS - keep it simple st. One example - why is there three styles for numbers and lists? There should be just one for each, that is OOoNum 123 and OOoList 1. There is no need for Start, Cont and End styles if you set paragraph spacing correctly. Second example - why do the style names begin with OOo? It would be better to simply name each style as Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on. This would make it easier to import the template into other software because other software normally uses Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on for style names. My experience comes from working in MS Word to initially create a document and then using Framemaker for the publishing program, which my opinion was one of the best in the market. So easy to compile many chapters into one massive manual. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 May 2012, at 23:12, Gary Schnabl wrote: > I haven't gotten around to recheck all the list paragraphs styles yet for v. > 3.5.x--easy to do, using the factory-default parameters. However, the older > OOo styles (v. 3.3.x) did not have consistent formatting for all the Ns, in > addition to OOo's having buggy styles that could not properly be reformatted > outside of a narrow indentation range for many Ns. > > IMO, all those list paragraph styles need to be reformatted, according to the > intended purposes for them by users or template designers, anyway. > > > Gary > > On 5/10/2012 3:22 PM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Gary, Carlos said thanks on the Users List. Cheers chap >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Thu, 10/5/12, Carlos Pita wrote: >> >> >> Gary has clarified the issue. Perhaps the styles should all be >> indented the same by default and just control the interline spacing >> and things like that. >> >> Another related issue is the purpose of the "List N" vs "List N Cont" >> paragraph styles. From the indentation in the styles one can infer >> what follows: >> >> | aditional space here >> First item<--- Start style >> >> Internal item<--- base style >>Continuation of internal item<--- Cont style >> >> Last item<--- End style >> | aditional space here >> >> That cont seems to be intended to follow the base style is suggested >> by the default indentation of the manually formatted lists. For >> example: >> >> 2. Iternal item >> More text >> >> Continuation of item 2 >> >> The indentation provided by the Cont style is exactly the indentation >> needed by "Continuation of item 2" in a manually formatted list in >> order to be left aligned with the item text. But this seems misleading >> again, because the guide explains that Start will be usually linked to >> Cont which will be linked to End, for lists where a single style (the >> base style) isn't enough. Briefly, the alternative interpretations >> are: >> >> Start->base(->Cont)->End >> >> vs >> >> Start->Cont->End or base (for simple formatting requirements) >> >> I'll copy the relevant passages of the documentation for this last >> issue asap, but you can see that the problem is essentially the same: >> default style indentation that seems to be at odds with the usage >> described by the guide, maybe because of historical reasons. >> >> Thanks a lot >> -- >> Carlos >> >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The apostrophe
Hello Gary In Simplified English (not simple English), used in the aviation industry, there are rules to follow and one of them is use of the apostrophe. So contractions or possessive apostrophes. You have to recompose your writing to get around using apostrophes. The idea of Simplified English is to help non-English speakers using aviation manuals, which have to be written initially in American English according to ATA rules. If an aviation manual is then going to be translated it becomes easier to translate. Also you have a specific dictionary for all the technical words that have to be used because in English you can have several words for the same item. A good example is empennage, which has to be used and for those who do not know what it means - it is the tail section of the aircraft body. Simplified English is used by Airbus where I spent nearly four happy years in Hamburg. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 24 Apr 2012, at 15:22, Gary Schnabl wrote: > On 4/24/2012 4:35 AM, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jay and Tom >> >> The USA and UK are two countries separated by one language - English - >> and the ne'er the twain shall meet ;-( >> >> Avoiding the use of the apostrophe is one thing we should consider. It does >> help users whose mother tongue is not English because the grammar rules for >> the apostrophe are difficult to understand with the possessive apostrophe >> being the hardest. Comes from personal experience of working in several >> non-English countries. Also, if you work in the aviation industry and use >> Simplified English, the apostrophe is definitely out. > > Out of curiosity, just why is the apostrophe banned from the aviation > industry? Is its use a real risk to safety? > > I have held an FAA Airframe & Powerplant (A&P) Mechanic's certificate since > the 1980s and have been a licensed pilot since 1971 and was unaware of any > aviation dangers attributed to apostrophes--up to now. > > Gary > >> >> I always enjoy discussions like this as it is a break from the serious stuff. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The apostrophe
Hello Jay and Tom The USA and UK are two countries separated by one language - English - and the ne'er the twain shall meet ;-( Avoiding the use of the apostrophe is one thing we should consider. It does help users whose mother tongue is not English because the grammar rules for the apostrophe are difficult to understand with the possessive apostrophe being the hardest. Comes from personal experience of working in several non-English countries. Also, if you work in the aviation industry and use Simplified English, the apostrophe is definitely out. I always enjoy discussions like this as it is a break from the serious stuff. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 23 Apr 2012, at 14:02, Jay Lozier wrote: > Peter > > On 04/23/2012 03:21 AM, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello Gary and Tom >> >> Many people make the mistake about its and it's, even the English. >> >> I have found over the years that it is always best to avoid the apostrophe >> when writing. This makes it better when someone has to translate English >> into another language. >> >> For example: >> >> It's - always write as "it is" >> Can't - always write as "cannot" (please note "cannot" is one word and >> should not be written as "can not" - a quirk of the English language). >> Don't - always write as "do not". > This alleged native speaker of US English cannot remember the correct > contractions to use them. >> >> I think you get my drift. Using word contractions is part of conversation >> and should never be written. That is how I was taught English language by my >> Scottish English teacher many years ago in Yorkshire. You have to remember, >> folk from Yorkshire are famous for missing t'odd word. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Typo-a-weird-sentence-in-ch1-writer-guide-tp3927390p3931720.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > -- > Jay Lozier > jsloz...@gmail.com > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc 3.4
Hello John Alt+up or Alt+down does not adjust row height. Alt+left or right alters the column width. I am using LO 3.5.2. and with an iMac with Mac OS 10.7.3 and a Toshiba laptop using Ubuntu. Same result for both operating systems. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 20 Apr 2012, at 01:05, John Smith wrote: > Hi > I wonder if someone with a non-Windows OS could check something for me? > Could you open a new Calc document, put the focus other than A1 and then > press Alt+Up arrow, and then after that, Alt+Down Arrow. > It's supposed to change the row height in the direction of the arrow. > > Neither 3.4.6 on my Win XP, nor 3.5.2 on a Win 7 system does this. > > Alt plus left/right arrows alters the column width on both machines ok. No > problem there. > > Thanks > John > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping PeterS: Impress Guide Ch7 ready to copyedit
Hello Jean and Tom I have placed Chap 07 into the published folders for Impress LO3.5 on both the ODF Authors and Alfresco sites. If anybody spots any errors, then please let me know. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 Apr 2012, at 13:01, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Just put it in the published folder and see how it goes from there. Jean is > ssaying it is ready but people are picking up on my bad habit of constantly > writing in disclaimers for everything. I'm too used to doing IT Support to > people whose only problem is user-error. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Tue, 10/4/12, Peter Schofield wrote: > > > From: Peter Schofield > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping PeterS: Impress Guide Ch7 ready > to copyedit > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Tuesday, 10 April, 2012, 11:31 > > > Hello Jean > > Had a quick look. > > Made a couple of corrections on the references - wrong format for the > characters. > > I think it is ready for publishing - YES or NO - send it to the published > folder? > > Regards > > Peter Schofield > psaut...@gmail.com > > > On 10 Apr 2012, at 12:21, Jean Weber wrote: > >> Peter, >> I had a very quick look through your update of Impress Guide Chapter 7 >> (Spreadsheets, Charts, Other Objects), attached the v3.4 template, >> updated the formatting of the table of Mac info, and put the result >> into the Feedback folder, >> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/impress-guide/feedback-lo3.5/ig-ch7-spreadsheets-charts-objects/view >> >> I think it's ready for copyediting or even publishing as it is, with >> copyediting to be done when Hazel has time. Up to you. >> >> --Jean >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping PeterS: Impress Guide Ch7 ready to copyedit
Hello Jean Had a quick look. Made a couple of corrections on the references - wrong format for the characters. I think it is ready for publishing - YES or NO - send it to the published folder? Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 10 Apr 2012, at 12:21, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > I had a very quick look through your update of Impress Guide Chapter 7 > (Spreadsheets, Charts, Other Objects), attached the v3.4 template, > updated the formatting of the table of Mac info, and put the result > into the Feedback folder, > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/impress-guide/feedback-lo3.5/ig-ch7-spreadsheets-charts-objects/view > > I think it's ready for copyediting or even publishing as it is, with > copyediting to be done when Hazel has time. Up to you. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Publishing to Wikki
Thank you Klaus Easy when you know how. New versions of Impress Chap 06 now uploaded. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:05, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Hi Peter, > Am 26.03.2012 09:53, schrieb Peter Schofield: >> Hello Jean and Klaus >> >> I am not experienced in uploading files to the Wikki. Only done this once >> before and I cannot remember (old age creeping in). >> >> I need to know how to upload a new file to replace the old one. > > Click one of the links Jean has mentioned. > Login in the Wiki (Right top of the page). > A point "Upload a new version of this file" will appear down the version > table (I don't know the exact sentence because mine is in German ;-) ). > Upload the new file. > > When you are logged in you can click on the second link too. Then you can > upload this file in the same way. > > That's it. > > Hope it helps. > > Am 26.03.2012 09:45, schrieb Jean Weber: > >>> use this link: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:0506IG35-FormatGraphicObjects.odt >>> >>> and this one: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:0506IG35-FormatGraphicObjects.pdf > > -- > Grüße > k-j > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Publishing to Wikki
Hello Jean and Klaus I am not experienced in uploading files to the Wikki. Only done this once before and I cannot remember (old age creeping in). I need to know how to upload a new file to replace the old one. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 26 Mar 2012, at 09:45, Jean Weber wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 17:40, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol > wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> Am 26.03.2012 09:02, schrieb PeeWee: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> Must be getting old. >> >> >> It seems to be a thread of this day that we all get older and more >> forgetful. We have talked this today in work. ;-) >> >> >>> Can somebody send me the link so that I can publish Impress v3.5 Chap 06 >>> to >>> the Wikki. This chapter is published on ODF Authors and Alfresco. >> >> >> Do you mean this link: >> >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide >> ? >> > > > Peter, > Because you will be replacing a file that I uploaded a few days ago, > use this link: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:0506IG35-FormatGraphicObjects.odt > > and this one: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:0506IG35-FormatGraphicObjects.pdf > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Missing Graphics - Again!!!!!!
Thanks Jean Turning off Auto Recovery seems to have done the trick. Testing of Windows and Ubuntu versions of LO will take place shortly so watch this space. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 23 Mar 2012, at 11:18, Jean Weber wrote: > FWIW, I have not had a problem with disappearing graphics since I > turned off AutoRecovery in Options. > > --Jean > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 19:59, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> Just downloaded from ODF authors site Chap 06 Impress Guide that Hazel put >> uploaded on 22 March. >> >> Opened the file on my iMac (Mac OS 10.7.3 and LibreOffice 3.5.1) and nearly >> all the graphics went missing as soon as started to make a few corrections. >> So, I closed the file and opened my version of the file - same problem even >> before I made any changes. The ODT files are in the same directory as the >> PNG graphic files. >> >> I have also checked the same files on my Windows 7 laptop (LibreOffice 3.4) >> and my test laptop that runs Ubuntu (LibreOffice 3.5.1). Same problem of >> graphics missing. >> >> This is the first time it has happened for a few months. >> >> Can someone point me in the right direction to report this re-occurring bug. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Missing-Graphics-Again-tp3851097p3851097.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts
Hello I use a Mac and one thing you have to remember is not to use the key marked Ctrl (control), which Windows uses. Mac OS uses the command key for keyboard shortcuts, that is the one each side of the space bar with the funny little graphic. Sometimes has an apple on it also, but that depends on what age your keyboard is. For example, in MS Office open is Command + O, save as is Shift + Command + S. The MS Office shortcuts follow the Mac OS system and are slightly different to Windows or Linux. Hope that helps. Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com On 2 Mar 2012, at 00:44, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I seem to remember a couple of people here have Macs? Any idea of how to > help this chap with his keyboard issues? > > Sorry i know it's bad for me to post a question like this to this list. If > you don't have time to answer the Users List will probably have an answer > anyway so don't worry about it. > Apols and regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Thu, 1/3/12, Mark Simon wrote: > > From: Mark Simon > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macintosh Custom Keyboard Shortcuts > To: us...@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Thursday, 1 March, 2012, 23:31 > > A few months ago I was happy to acquire a new Macintosh (running OSX 10.7). > When the salesperson suggested I could also buy M$Office for the Mac, I > laughed and said "Why would I want to do that? I've got LibreOffice", or > something like that. > > However I cannot work out how to get those ... keyboard shortcuts going. On > my Windows version, I used the alt key, particularly for my custom styles. > The Mac version seems to use the control key, which is OK, but then > completely ignores my assigned shortcut, which is not OK. > > I have lodged a but, but nobody seems to have noticed. > > Or have I missed something incredibly obvious ...? > > -- > > Mark Simon > > Manngo Net Pty Ltd > > mobile:0411 246 672 > > email:m...@manngo.net <mailto:m...@comparity.net> > web:http://www.manngo.net > > Resume:http://mark.manngo.net > > > -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 3.5 problems and info required
Hello Jean Sorted the problem with the extension. Apparently it had the wrong extension to the filename, which seem to solve it. However, a second try because I re-installed LO3.5 did not work and kept getting the error message that it was not an extension. Solution was to totally remove LO and re-install LO3.4.5. Template changer is now installed, but yet to try LO3.5. However, read my message Big Disaster and still getting over that embarrassment. I shall be trying the graphics problem later. I was installing graphics onto their own paragraph when the extra space appeared at the bottom of the frame below the caption. This was why I was trying to get the 3.4 template into LO3.5 to see if that was the problem. Only tomorrow will tell when I have another go with LO3.5. This time I shall be careful. Regards Peter On 17 Feb 2012, at 12:35, Jean Weber wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 18:21, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> I have just started upgrading Impress Chap 06 to LO 3.5 and have come across >> a couple of problems. >> >> *1st Problem* >> >> Opening the ODT file I get the warning message "Template already exists". >> What does this mean? > > > When I open that file in LO3.5 on my system (Mac OS X Lion), I don't > get that message. > > >> When I used LO3.4 I had template changer extension installed. Installing >> LO3.5 template changer extension has disappeared and now I cannot reinstall >> the template changer extension using the Extension Manager. LO3.5 does not >> recognise the extension. I need this extension so that I can make sure that >> I am using the same template I used for LO3.4 Impress chapters. > > > The extension is available to me, already installed in LO3.5, on my > system. Perhaps LO3.5 is picking it up from the same profile files > that LO3.4 is using? > > I will put a copy of the extension on the ODFAuthors website. > > >> I presume that there is no template available yet for LO guides created in >> LO3.5. > > > That is correct. I don't think we need a new one, do we? Might as well > continue to use the v3.4 template. > > >> *2nd Problem* >> >> When inserting new graphics into frames I am getting extra space below the >> graphic. Why? In LO3.4 this did not happen. Is this happening because I do >> not know what template is being used in LO Writer. > > > Do you mean when replacing the graphics that were in that file? If so, > check to see if there is an extra blank paragraph in the frame, above > the caption. (With end-of-paragraph markers turned on, that should be > easy to see.) I like to anchor graphics "as character" in a separate > paragraph (not the caption paragraph); so when the graphic is deleted, > the paragraph remains. When I put in a replacement graphic, it has the > equivalent of an extra line below it, until I anchor the graphic as > character. That may be what you are seeing; if so, it's nothing to do > with LO3.5. > > If that's not the cause, I don't know what's causing it. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 3.5 release announced
Hello Jean & Tom I shall start at Chap 6 and onward to version 3.5 then come back to Chap 1 to 5. I have had a quick check and there seems to little change for Impress, but the devil is in the detail. Please publish Chap 2 to 5 to the wikki when you have checked them. Chap 1 is already on the wikki. Regards Peter On 15 Feb 2012, at 21:06, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > > Unless there are major differences from 3.4 to 3.5 that would affect > Chs1-5, I suggest you start updating to 3.5 from Ch 6. When Chs 6-11 & > App A are done, then go back to Chs1-5 and update them from 3.4 to > 3.5. > > Meanwhile I will put Chs 1-5 on the wiki in the v3.4 column (unless > you do it first). They probably don't need the "Draft" designation > that Tom mentioned in a later note, with the possible exception of > Ch5. I'll do a quick check of Ch5 which I don't think I've looked at > previously. > > What do you think of that idea? > > --Jean > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 16:09, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean and Tom >> >> I can easily start upgrading 3.4 Impress to 3.5 Impress. >> >> Chapters 1 to 5 Impress 3.4 would have to be upgraded as they are published >> or very close to being published. >> >> I have Chapter 6 Impress 3.4 already downloaded on my iMac ready to start an >> upgrade to version 3.4 or 3.5. >> >> I will download LO3.5 onto my very old Toshiba (my test laptop) to check the >> differences with LO3.4. >> >> Start upgrading to 3.5 - YES or NO? Not a problem for me. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 15 Feb 2012, at 01:44, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Tom. I was thinking much the same thing, which I summarise here: >>> >>> * Finish GS 3.4 and Writer 3.4, both of which are well advanced, and >>> once I get a chance to go through John's work and upload some I've >>> been doing, will be nearly done; then start on v3.5 for both of them. >>> >>> * Skip Calc 3.4, Draw 3.4 and Math 3.4 and go directly to v 3.5, >>> because AFAIK little has been done on those books for v3.4. >>> >>> * Finish Impress 3.4 OR skip and go to v 3.5, whatever Peter prefers >>> (since he's doing the work). I haven't checked yet to see if there are >>> major differences in Impress from 3.4 to 3.5. >>> >>> * Continue with Base Guide for whatever version Dan prefers (since >>> he's doing the work). >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 00:54, Tom Davies wrote: >>>> Hi :) >>>> I think that for most of the guides we should skip the 3.4.x branch >>>> completely and just work on 3.5.x. Exceptions (imo) should be GS, Writer, >>>> Base and possibly Calc. >>>> >>>> I think the GS guide is important for each branch as it covers the most >>>> 'obvious' stuff that people need to know. Similarly for Writer. Writer >>>> is the main app that most people use most of the time so it's important to >>>> get that guide out for each branch too. With Base i don't think it would >>>> even matter if different chapters were for different branches! The >>>> important thing is just to get a first version out there and then worry >>>> about consistency afterwards. I'm not sure about Calc. It's probably the >>>> 2nd most used app but still quite a long way behind Writer. The Users >>>> List almost never hears from people using Impress. So either the Impress >>>> Guide is stunningly good and significantly better than the other guides or >>>> it's the one that people do read before jumping in or Impress is very >>>> intuitive for people or not many people are using it, or some combination >>>> of those. >>>> >>>> So, i think complete GS and Writer for 3.4.x branch, keep going with Base >>>> and skip the rest? What do other people think? Are any of the other >>>> guides (or even 'just' odd chapters) near completion? >>>> >>>> Also don't forget that while 3.3.x and 3.4.x started at almost the same >>>> time and ran alongside each other the 3.5.x and future branches wont run >>>> in the same way. There will be some overlap with one branch ending just >>>> after another has started but not such a huge overlap as the first 2 >>>> branches. >>>> http://wik
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 3.5 release announced
Hello Jean and Tom I can easily start upgrading 3.4 Impress to 3.5 Impress. Chapters 1 to 5 Impress 3.4 would have to be upgraded as they are published or very close to being published. I have Chapter 6 Impress 3.4 already downloaded on my iMac ready to start an upgrade to version 3.4 or 3.5. I will download LO3.5 onto my very old Toshiba (my test laptop) to check the differences with LO3.4. Start upgrading to 3.5 - YES or NO? Not a problem for me. Regards Peter On 15 Feb 2012, at 01:44, Jean Weber wrote: > Thanks, Tom. I was thinking much the same thing, which I summarise here: > > * Finish GS 3.4 and Writer 3.4, both of which are well advanced, and > once I get a chance to go through John's work and upload some I've > been doing, will be nearly done; then start on v3.5 for both of them. > > * Skip Calc 3.4, Draw 3.4 and Math 3.4 and go directly to v 3.5, > because AFAIK little has been done on those books for v3.4. > > * Finish Impress 3.4 OR skip and go to v 3.5, whatever Peter prefers > (since he's doing the work). I haven't checked yet to see if there are > major differences in Impress from 3.4 to 3.5. > > * Continue with Base Guide for whatever version Dan prefers (since > he's doing the work). > > --Jean > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 00:54, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> I think that for most of the guides we should skip the 3.4.x branch >> completely and just work on 3.5.x. Exceptions (imo) should be GS, Writer, >> Base and possibly Calc. >> >> I think the GS guide is important for each branch as it covers the most >> 'obvious' stuff that people need to know. Similarly for Writer. Writer is >> the main app that most people use most of the time so it's important to get >> that guide out for each branch too. With Base i don't think it would even >> matter if different chapters were for different branches! The important >> thing is just to get a first version out there and then worry about >> consistency afterwards. I'm not sure about Calc. It's probably the 2nd >> most used app but still quite a long way behind Writer. The Users List >> almost never hears from people using Impress. So either the Impress Guide >> is stunningly good and significantly better than the other guides or it's >> the one that people do read before jumping in or Impress is very intuitive >> for people or not many people are using it, or some combination of those. >> >> So, i think complete GS and Writer for 3.4.x branch, keep going with Base >> and skip the rest? What do other people think? Are any of the other guides >> (or even 'just' odd chapters) near completion? >> >> Also don't forget that while 3.3.x and 3.4.x started at almost the same time >> and ran alongside each other the 3.5.x and future branches wont run in the >> same way. There will be some overlap with one branch ending just after >> another has started but not such a huge overlap as the first 2 branches. >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Tue, 14/2/12, Jean Weber wrote: >> >> From: Jean Weber >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 3.5 release announced >> To: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Date: Tuesday, 14 February, 2012, 11:36 >> >> The release of LO 3.5 has just been announced. We are falling further >> behind, team! >> >> I've had only a brief look at v3.5, but I could see a few conspicuous >> changes that will need to be written up in the user guides. >> >> When I have a chance, I'll create a page listing the changes that I >> find will need to be made to the guides, similar to the page I did for >> LO 3.4. Or someone else is welcome to do it. Release notes (useful for >> our purposes) are here: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.5 >> >> And an interesting infographic of the highlights is here: >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/116590/lo35-infofinal.pdf >> >> --Jean >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Animation in Impress
Hello Hazel Custom Animation is used to animate objects on the slide. I have already tried this and can see it working. What I cannot understand is why there are two ways of animating objects. The explanations in the help system do not answer this question. Nor do they help me in trying to write the user instructions. I shall soldier on and check another presentation program to see how animation works. Regards Peter On 23 Jan 2012, at 16:41, Hazel Russman wrote: > As far as I can remember, custom animation refers to animated slide > transitions, not animated images within slides. > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:28:55 -0800 (PST) > PeeWee wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I need some help with Animation when using Impress. I am updating the >> Impress Guide and have now reached Animation. >> >> There is Insert > Animated Image, which opens the Animation dialog AND >> Custom Animation on the Tasks pane in Impress. Why does Impress have two >> tools for animations? >> >> The Animation dialog is poorly explained and does not help understand how it >> works. Custom Animation on the Tasks pane has not been explained in the old >> versions of the Impress Guide. >> >> I have tried to create animations, but they appear not to be working even >> though I have allowed sufficient time for each frame to display. >> >> The animated image is supposed to be displayed in the Animation dialog, but >> this is not happening. I have tried this on three computers with different >> operating systems. All with the same result. >> >> Is there a problem with animation in Impress? >> >> If there is anybody out there who has experience with animations, can you >> please write a story that a beginner could understand. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Animation-in-Impress-tp3681470p3681470.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > -- > Hazel Russman > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] wiki: uploading to
Hello Tom Just checked at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications and the file is the one I uploaded for Version 3.4.4. Regards Tom On 18 Jan 2012, at 11:54, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Sorry i missed out that to confirm yoru action you have to scroll right down > the to the bottom of the page to click on the button "Upload file" or "Save > page" depending which thing you are trying to do. > > So i think the 3.4.x GS Ch 06 still seems to be the older version. I am > really sorry about missing that detail! > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 18/1/12, Peter Schofield wrote: > > From: Peter Schofield > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] wiki: uploading to > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 7:53 > > Hello Tom > > I followed your instructions and the GS Chap 06 Impress was uploaded on 17 > Jan 2012 to the wiki > (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications). I have just > done a test download of the ODT file and the PDF file and everything seems to > be working. Please check for me if you have the time. > > Regards > > Peter > > > On 16 Jan 2012, at 11:15, Tom Davies wrote: > >> Hi :) >> Don't worry. We are here to help and there are guides even if i can't find >> them right now. Wikipedia probably has some good pages on how-to do >> wiki-editing. >> >> As usual i have made it sound far trickier than it really is. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Mon, 16/1/12, Peter Schofield wrote: >> >> From: Peter Schofield >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: wiki: uploading to >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Date: Monday, 16 January, 2012, 10:04 >> >> Thanks for the info Tom. >> >> I shall be trying to upload tomorrow and this will be a first. Never >> uploaded to a wiki before. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 16 Jan 2012, at 10:58, Tom wrote: >> >>> Hi :) >>> Sorry, too much petty detail again :( >>> >>> Just get to the page >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >>> Log in / Create account. Then get to this page >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload >>> After uploading get back to this page >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >>> to edit it to add a link to the upload. >>> >>> Regards from >>> Tom :) >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/wiki-uploading-to-tp3662702p3662721.html >>> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] wiki: uploading to
Hello Tom I followed your instructions and the GS Chap 06 Impress was uploaded on 17 Jan 2012 to the wiki (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications). I have just done a test download of the ODT file and the PDF file and everything seems to be working. Please check for me if you have the time. Regards Peter On 16 Jan 2012, at 11:15, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Don't worry. We are here to help and there are guides even if i can't find > them right now. Wikipedia probably has some good pages on how-to do > wiki-editing. > > As usual i have made it sound far trickier than it really is. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Mon, 16/1/12, Peter Schofield wrote: > > From: Peter Schofield > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: wiki: uploading to > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Monday, 16 January, 2012, 10:04 > > Thanks for the info Tom. > > I shall be trying to upload tomorrow and this will be a first. Never uploaded > to a wiki before. > > Regards > > Peter > > > On 16 Jan 2012, at 10:58, Tom wrote: > >> Hi :) >> Sorry, too much petty detail again :( >> >> Just get to the page >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >> Log in / Create account. Then get to this page >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload >> After uploading get back to this page >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications >> to edit it to add a link to the upload. >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/wiki-uploading-to-tp3662702p3662721.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: wiki: uploading to
Thanks for the info Tom. I shall be trying to upload tomorrow and this will be a first. Never uploaded to a wiki before. Regards Peter On 16 Jan 2012, at 10:58, Tom wrote: > Hi :) > Sorry, too much petty detail again :( > > Just get to the page > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications > Log in / Create account. Then get to this page > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload > After uploading get back to this page > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications > to edit it to add a link to the upload. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/wiki-uploading-to-tp3662702p3662721.html > Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] See you in a month
Hello Jean Enjoy Antarctica. I nearly went once when I was with the RAF being 1st reserve as an engineer. I shall publish any completed chapters I am working on, but would like to know how to publish a chapter to the wiki. Never done this before so I need a little guidance. Regards Peter On 16 Jan 2012, at 08:22, Jean Weber wrote: > I'll be unsubscribing soon and will be away for a month, mostly > completely out of touch (Antarctica). > > Have fun, and please get lots of work done in my absence. No need to > wait for my approval for anything, even publishing chapters. > > Others are around who can help with any questions about the ODFAuthors > website. And perhaps when Alfresco comes back online, you may choose > to move back there. > > Cheers, Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping Peter: Impress Guide Chapters 1 through 4
Hello Jean Impress Guide Chap 01 was published. I have a copy dated 28 Dec 2011, but not sure if it is the one that was published. Chap 02 I think I still have to have a look after Hazel did the proof of this chapter. The copy on my iMac is dated 31 Dec 2011. Can you send me a copy of Hazel's work so I can check if everything is OK. Chap 03 and 04 I have downloaded and will look at them later this week. I have also downloaded GS Chap 06 and will check this week. Regards Peter On 15 Jan 2012, at 06:23, Jean Weber wrote: > I have put Chs 1-4 in Feedback, > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/impress-guide/feedback-lo3.4 > > I can't recall for sure, but I think Chapter 1 was ready to publish. > > Chapters 2 includes Hazel's edits. She had sent the file to me after > her problem with the disappearing images. I have restored the images. > I think this chapter is now ready to publish. > > Chapters 3 and 4 have comments, suggestions, and some edits by me > (with change tracking on) in them. I didn't go through them in great > detail, but it looks like you have made some significant improvements. > Thanks! > > I am now looking at Getting Started with Impress. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Accounts available on ODFAuthors site
Hello Jean Got my login details for ODF Authors and everything seems to be working OK. GS Chap 06 Impress Impress Chap 03 and Chap 04 New draft versions of the above three chapters have been uploaded to ODF Authors ready for review. Regards Peter On 12 Jan 2012, at 10:04, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > I've set up your account. You should receive an email from the system > with a link to set your password. > > What we've done at ODFAuthors in the past is append our initials and > the date to the filename, for example > IG3403-AddFormatText_PS_10Jan2012.odt > > We also use a series of subfolders under each book name, which you'll > see when you log in: > To be updated > Draft LO 3.4 > Feedback > Published > > May not be the best system, but it worked for us. As this is (I think) > a temporary measure, I'm not spending the time to revise for LO other > instructions, including how to check out files, which are in the OOo > section under Resources. Dan and other old-timers can also help with > any usage questions. > > Looking forward to getting the three chapters you have ready for > review, especially the Getting Started chapter. > > --Jean > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 18:09, Peter Schofield wrote: >> Hello Jean >> >> I am still working away and some chapters are ready for review: >> >> Impress Ch 03 Adding and Formatting Text >> Impress Ch 04 Adding and Formatting Pictures >> >> Getting Started Ch 06 Impress >> >> Using the ODF site how do we control version numbers so everybody is working >> on the right page? >> >> I have got Impress Ch 05 and 06 and will be starting work on Ch 05 this week. >> >> Please setup an ODF account for me and let me know the details. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 12 Jan 2012, at 03:53, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> If anyone in the LibreOffice Docs team would like an account on the >>> ODFAuthors site, please let me know and I'll set it up. >>> >>> The LibreOffice section of that site is an alternative place for us to >>> keep our docs-in-progress (the LO wiki is another). >>> >>> Because I am going to be away for a month from next week, I am >>> considering uploading all the files I've got, so someone else can get >>> copies and put them back on Alfresco when it's working again... and so >>> people can download files and keep working on revisions for v3.4. >>> >>> I'm concerned that the Alfresco problem may have stopped work on v3.4 >>> chapters, or at least stopped people from making their edited v3.4 >>> chapters available for further review. If you are unable to get >>> chapters to work on, ask! I or someone will have a copy we can send >>> you or make available for download somewhere. If you have revised >>> chapters ready for review, let us know. >>> >>> Let's keep working, even if the website isn't. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Accounts available on ODFAuthors site
Hello Jean I am still working away and some chapters are ready for review: Impress Ch 03 Adding and Formatting Text Impress Ch 04 Adding and Formatting Pictures Getting Started Ch 06 Impress Using the ODF site how do we control version numbers so everybody is working on the right page? I have got Impress Ch 05 and 06 and will be starting work on Ch 05 this week. Please setup an ODF account for me and let me know the details. Regards Peter On 12 Jan 2012, at 03:53, Jean Weber wrote: > If anyone in the LibreOffice Docs team would like an account on the > ODFAuthors site, please let me know and I'll set it up. > > The LibreOffice section of that site is an alternative place for us to > keep our docs-in-progress (the LO wiki is another). > > Because I am going to be away for a month from next week, I am > considering uploading all the files I've got, so someone else can get > copies and put them back on Alfresco when it's working again... and so > people can download files and keep working on revisions for v3.4. > > I'm concerned that the Alfresco problem may have stopped work on v3.4 > chapters, or at least stopped people from making their edited v3.4 > chapters available for further review. If you are unable to get > chapters to work on, ask! I or someone will have a copy we can send > you or make available for download somewhere. If you have revised > chapters ready for review, let us know. > > Let's keep working, even if the website isn't. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Impress Guide: Styles and Templates
Hello All I have created separate folders for each chapter of the Impress guide that I have updated in Impress > Draft > Folders & Screenshots on Alfresco. I did this after the upgrade to Alfresco. All the screenshots are PNG format as separate files and are not zipped. IMO this is the best way so that anybody who has missing graphics can download individual files. Hopefully the way I have named the graphics nobody should have any difficulty in locating a missing graphic. Please let me know your opinions. Also, Alfresco produces thumbnails of each graphic which will also help identifying a graphic. Regards Peter On 2 Jan 2012, at 21:29, Jean Weber wrote: > But only if people who update graphics also update the zip file of > images. I suspect that I am not the only person who often fails to do > this. --Jean > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 01:22, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Ouch. I hadn't thought about the translators teams! Is anyone able to warn >> the global translators list? Keeping a copy of the images in a zip file >> alongside the translated document seems to be a good way of keeping it under >> control. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> --- On Sun, 1/1/12, Lailah wrote: >> >> From: Lailah >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Impress Guide: Styles >> and Templates >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Date: Sunday, 1 January, 2012, 23:46 >> >> >> It happened something like that missing. I'm translating Getting >> Started: Styles and Templates to Spanish and I've found missed icons. >> Other graphics are ok. >> >> >> Sylvia >> >> El jue, 29-12-2011 a las 15:59 +, Hazel Russman escribió: >> >>> I have finished editing this. LO has chewed up the graphics as usual: first >>> it marked most of them as read errors, then it removed the marked ones >>> altogether. Fortunately I had taken the precaution of making a copy and, >>> when I unzipped this, I was able to retrieve and display the graphics >>> independently using feh. >>> >>> The problem seems to be getting worse. This was quite a small chapter and >>> there were only 17 graphics altogether. LO shouldn't have choked on it. >>> >>> When I logged into Alfresco to upload the file, something weird had >>> happened there too. The proofing folder for Impress was empty and there was >>> no possibility of uploading. This isn't my lucky day. >>> >>> I await instructions. >>> -- >>> Hazel Russman >>> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Graphics vanishing
Hello Jean Downloaded the file OK and all the graphics are in place. Now to create a working copy and continue updating the chapter. This missing graphics problem has got me puzzled and not knowing how the Alfresco system works does not help in thinking of solution. Not sure if the way I work has an influence. I use Dropbox to pass files between computers at home as it is very quick and easy to use. Could Dropbox have some effect on the graphic files. I do copy the graphic PNG files into the Write document, then save the Write document directly to Dropbox. I think the next upload to the Repository will be directly from my Desktop on my iMac to see if that creates any problems. Regards Peter On 1 Jan 2012, at 21:38, Jean Weber wrote: > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 19:00, PeeWee wrote: >> >> This morning (yes I am working with a sober head) I opened Chapter 4 of the >> Impress Guide and all the graphics were in place. Made a couple of >> alterations to the text and have the graphics are now showing read error. >> Got me puzzled. I did download this chapter before the Alfresco upgrade. > > > Let's try an experiment. I have put a copy of that file on the > ODFAuthors website, here: > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/impress-guide/draft-lo3.4 > (BTW, I have no idea when I got that copy of the file and whether it > was downloaded from Alfresco or not. My copy is probably the one that > was published back in July.) > > You should be able to download it without having an account on that > website, but let me know if that doesn't work. (Most drafts are set > to be invisible to people without accounts, but I "published" this one > to make it accessible.) > > You will not be able to upload any files without having an account. > Let me know if you want me to create an account for you. > > Another experiment: download the file from the LO wiki and see if that > copy misbehaves as well. > > The results of these experiments will not prove anything, but they > might give us some further clues as to what's going on. If several > people try these, that will give us more data points. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco has changed and there are missing items
Hello David I am updating the Impress Guide and was using the draft versions of chapters that were placed in the Repository > English > Documentation > Impress Guide > Drafts. Yesterday, 29 Dec, all the documents were there and this was before the upgrade to Alfresco as I still had the old green colour scheme when I logged in. This morning, 30 Dec, I logged in to Alfresco to upload a new draft version of Chapter 3 and was greeted by the new black colour scheme. I went to the drafts folder to upload this new version and found the drafts folder empty. It should have contained all the draft versions of the chapters for the Impress Guide with the exception of chapter 1 (published) and chapter 2 (being proofed). This drafts folder would have also indicated the locked chapters that I have already downloaded for updating which are chapters 3, 4, 5, and 6. I have not tried uploading any files because the drafts folder is empty and may upset the version numbering of the chapters. In my opinion, it seems to me the links to all the files have been broken when the upgrade was carried out. Hope this helps solving the problem. Regards Peter Schofield On 30 Dec 2011, at 11:07, David Nelson wrote: > Hi guys, > > Sorry, I have been really busy recently but, as Jean mentioned, direct > mail about problems like this is the fast way to get to me. > > Alfresco has been upgraded to Alfresco 4. The upgrade is finished, > barring some tweaks to the site's theming. The principle reason for > doing the upgrade was that file uploads are much more robust in this > version of Alfresco, whether single-file uploads or multiple. Alfresco > is also running on its own server now (I already mentioned this > recently). > > Now, theoretically, there should have been no data loss. "If any of > the repo is there, it should all be there", so to speak. > > Please could you give more details about exactly what files appear to > have got lost? I will then check the problem out. Please could you > also tell me when they were uploaded? > > You should be able to upload files with no problem now (much better > than before), and all work on the site is now finished (until I get > around to those theming tweaks in January). > > In any case, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience... > > -- > David Nelson > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco has changed and there are missing items
Hello Jean I have sent an email to David outlining the problem. I have a couple of chapters I can continue working on which includes the Impress chapter of the Getting Started guide. Until the problem is fixed I do not want to attempt uploading new versions. Regards Peter On 30 Dec 2011, at 10:48, Jean Weber wrote: > Found David's address: comme...@traduction.biz > > On 30/12/2011, at 19:21, Jean Weber wrote: > >> Somewhere in the archives (last month or 2) is David Nelson's direct email >> address. He's the person to write to about Alfresco problems. (Hazel >> mentioned something similar yesterday.) >> >> Sorry, I can't easily look anything up right now. >> >> --Jean >> >> On 30/12/2011, at 19:08, PeeWee wrote: >> >>> I have just logged into the Repository on Alfresco and found a serious >>> problem. >>> >>> I went English > Documentation > Impress Guide to upload a new draft version >>> and found that the draft folder was empty. >>> >>> Where have all the draft documents gone? I have checked a couple of other >>> guides and they have the same problem. >>> >>> Can someone fix this URGENTLY. >>> >>> Another change also, which made me wonder what has happened, is that the >>> colour has changed from green to black. >>> >>> Has anybody else fouond this problem? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Peter Schofield >>> >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 3.4 Chapter 3 (Adding & Formatting Text) reviewed
Hello Jane In my opinion, captions used for figures should be as short as possible without losing any meaning and this is what I have tried to achieve. When you use a long caption, the user/reader can get confused and miss what the figure is there for. Using short captions is the way I have been trained and guided during my career. Regards Peter On 28 Dec 2011, at 10:41, Jean Weber wrote: > I've put my review of Impress Guide 3.4 Chapter 3 (Adding & Formatting > Text) in the Drafts folder. Changes are tracked, and I left lots of > comments and questions for Peter. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide - Chapter 02 - New Draft
Hello Jean The GS Impress chapter is next on my list now that I am over the flu just in time to be cheerful for Christmas. A new draft of this chapter will be uploaded before the end of December. Happy Christmas to one and all Peter On 21 Dec 2011, at 21:21, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > Thanks for this and for Chapter 3 from yesterday. It's great to see > someone moving right along with the updates. I'll try to look these > over quickly and move them on to Proofing. > > At what point do you plan to do the Getting Started with Impress > chapter? I still have ambitions to publish the Getting Started book by > year's end, though that may not be a very realistic goal at this > point. > > --Jean > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 21:36, PeeWee wrote: >> Hello >> >> New draft version of Chapter 2 has been uploaded along with a zip file >> containing the screen shots. >> >> Jean, your comments have been incorporated. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Ping PeterS: Impress Guide Ch1
Hello Jean Figures 3, 7 and 16 have been edited as per your comments. New version of the chapter is now in Proofing and I think ready for publishing. Regards Peter On 18 Dec 2011, at 12:02, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter, > Hazel sent me the chapter she had trouble with, so I could restore the > images while preserving her edits. I've now done that and returned it > to Repository> English> Documentation> Impress Guide> Proofing. > > I have some suggestions for a few of the images. > Figures 3 & 16: The labels seem a bit small compared with the text on > the page. Could the font be made a bit larger? > Figure 7: This pic was cut off in an earlier version of the book in > order to fit it on the page without kicking the Fig 8 to the next page > and leaving a big gap at the bottom of this one, but it left the > "Notes" area a bit small. On this page, there is room for a bit more > of the dialog to show. > > Otherwise, I think this chapter is ready to publish. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc User Guide chapter 1
Hello Jean Just tried this chapter downloaded onto my iMac and everything looks OK. However, same comment about figures that they should all be numbered so it easier to keep track of them. Regards Peter Schofield On 17 Dec 2011, at 22:40, Jean Weber wrote: > I've put the GS with Calc chapter on the ODFAuthors website as well, > for anyone who cares to test it. > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo3.4/ch5-gs-with-calc/view > > --Jean > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 06:54, Jean Weber wrote: >> Hazel, I notice you have Getting Started with Calc checked out of >> Alfresco. Is that file also giving you trouble? Or is that the file >> you were talking about, not Calc Ch1? You don't have the latter >> checked out. >> >> --Jean >> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 06:41, Jean Weber wrote: >>> I've put the file here: >>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/calc-guide/draft-lo3.4/ch1-introducing-calc/view >>> >>> I think I've made it available so anyone can get it without needing to >>> have an account on the website. If a few people can test it to see if >>> it behaves, that could be useful for diagnosing the problem. The >>> filesize, according to the website, is 1.4MB, the same as on my >>> computer. (I note that the Alfresco site shows the file size as 1MB, >>> but it downloaded to my machine from there at 1.4MB.) >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 05:00, Jean Weber wrote: >>>> Let's try an experiment. I'll put the file on the ODFAuthors website. >>>> Download it from there and see if it behaves itself. >>>> >>>> I'll tell the list when I've done that. >>>> >>>> --Jean >>>> >>>> On 18/12/2011, at 2:38, Hazel Russman wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I downloaded this file, it was 1.2 MB. However many of the pictures >>>>> failed to load properly into LO. They appeared in the navigator but read >>>>> errors prevented them from actually displaying in the text. >>>>> >>>>> I saved the document, then reopened it. Now it is only 283 KB and the >>>>> faulty pictures have disappeared altogether. >>>>> >>>>> I can't reliably judge the text without the illustrations. I don't know >>>>> if the problem lies with the download from AlFresco or with my LO >>>>> installation but I simply cannot edit like this. You will just have to >>>>> continue without me until this problem is cleared up. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Hazel Russman >>>>> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc User Guide chapter 1
Hello Jean and Hazel I have just downloaded and had a quick look using an iMac operating Lion Mac OS 10.7.2. The file size is 1.4Mb and I think all the figures and icons are are there. It is difficult to tell because some of the figures are not numbered. Comments - in my opinion all figures should be numbered so that whoever looks at a document knows if there are any missing figures. Any icons placed in line with text should be preceded by the word "icon" so that the user can expect to see one. Regards Peter Schofield On 17 Dec 2011, at 21:41, Jean Weber wrote: > I've put the file here: > http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/calc-guide/draft-lo3.4/ch1-introducing-calc/view > > I think I've made it available so anyone can get it without needing to > have an account on the website. If a few people can test it to see if > it behaves, that could be useful for diagnosing the problem. The > filesize, according to the website, is 1.4MB, the same as on my > computer. (I note that the Alfresco site shows the file size as 1MB, > but it downloaded to my machine from there at 1.4MB.) > > --Jean > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 05:00, Jean Weber wrote: >> Let's try an experiment. I'll put the file on the ODFAuthors website. >> Download it from there and see if it behaves itself. >> >> I'll tell the list when I've done that. >> >> --Jean >> >> On 18/12/2011, at 2:38, Hazel Russman wrote: >> >>> When I downloaded this file, it was 1.2 MB. However many of the pictures >>> failed to load properly into LO. They appeared in the navigator but read >>> errors prevented them from actually displaying in the text. >>> >>> I saved the document, then reopened it. Now it is only 283 KB and the >>> faulty pictures have disappeared altogether. >>> >>> I can't reliably judge the text without the illustrations. I don't know if >>> the problem lies with the download from AlFresco or with my LO installation >>> but I simply cannot edit like this. You will just have to continue without >>> me until this problem is cleared up. >>> >>> -- >>> Hazel Russman >>> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Absence of graphics in Impress chapter 1
Hello Hazel I have had the same problem with all the Impress chapters that I am working on and I am using the same settings as yourself. This happens on both my iMac and my Toshiba laptop running Ubuntu. All the screen shots were inserted from file and NOT as a link to a graphic. Is this a problem with the system used for LO documents? Regards Peter On 12 Dec 2011, at 13:18, Hazel Russman wrote: > This document has very few full-sized graphics in place (small graphics such > as icons are OK). Some show a Read error, some show nothing at all. I am > using the same memory settings as always: > Number of steps: 20 > Graphics cache > Use for LibreOffice: 256MB > Memory per object: 1.0 MB > Remove from memory after 1:00 hours > Number of objects: 350 > -- > Hazel Russman > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved
Hello Tom It is not written up. This idea only came to me after reading some of the discussion posts this morning. I have never edited or written for a wikki before. It is a step never taken. Some advice would be well received. Regards Peter On 8 Dec 2011, at 12:40, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > It's great that the most unreliable things about LO are it's problems! ;) > Peter is the issue written up in the wiki? I thought it was but if you need > a hand editing the wiki i might be able to help. > Regards from > Tom :) > > --- On Thu, 8/12/11, Jean Weber wrote: > > From: Jean Weber > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: The missing Galaxy icon set: > Solved > To: "documentation@global.libreoffice.org" > > Date: Thursday, 8 December, 2011, 9:54 > > I have never attempted to do the desktop integration and I've not had a > problem with keeping and using two versions of LO on Ubuntu. Not that I've > used it much on v11.10, so I could be missing something. > > --Jean > > On 08/12/2011, at 18:39, PeeWee wrote: > >> Hello Rogerio and Tom >> >> The installation instructions on the Wikki do work, but you have to do a bit >> preparation first when using Ubuntu 11.10. >> >> Use Synaptic and completely remove the Ubuntu version of LibreOffice. >> Download the latest version of LibreOffice from the website. >> Use the installation instructions on the LO website and everything installs >> OK, even Step 4 for desktop-integration. >> The Galaxy icon set also installs using this method. >> >> The obvious problem is between the LO version that comes with Ubuntu 11.10 >> and desktop-integration. This is where the conflict happens if you do NOT >> remove the Ubuntu LO version. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-missing-Galaxy-icon-set-Solved-tp3560666p3569749.html >> Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved
Hello Rogerio I installed Ubuntu 11.10 as a second OS on my toshiba laptop. The standard Ubuntu installation includes LibreOffice, but not the Base program. So, I re-installed LibreOffice from the Ubuntu Software Center to make sure Base was installed. However, the Galaxy set was not installed and only the Human set was available for icons. I downloaded the Linux Debian version from the LibreOffice website and the went to http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ for the installation instructions. Everything went OK using Terminal until I reached Step 4. When I ran the dpkg command again for desktop-integration, a conflict error message appeared. I cannot remember the message and the dpkg command completed. I then checked LibreOffice and found that the Galaxy set had not installed. So I used Synaptic to install the Galaxy set without any problems. Regards Peter On 6 Dec 2011, at 01:41, Rogerio Luz Coelho wrote: > @ Peter and Gabriel: > > I wrote the instructions for Linux install a while back ... so please: > > 1) Where exactly did you follow instructions > > 2) what is exactly the error you see > > Thx > > Rogerio > > 2011/12/5 Peter Schofield > >> Hello Jean >> >> Just tried installing LO into Ubuntu 11.10 following the instructions on >> the LO website - download the DEB package from LO website, unarchive and >> use Terminal. The Galaxy set does not install and using Terminal produces a >> conflict error. Solution was to use Synaptic and install the Galaxy set. I >> definitely now have Galaxy set as default. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 5 Dec 2011, at 09:31, Jean Weber wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 17:35, wrote: >>>> >>>> Jean >>>> not sure if I have it correctly but: >>>> >>>> In Ubuntu 11.10 you have to install the additional libreoffice-style-XXX >>>> packages if you use the default install of Libreoffice. >>>> >>>> Choices for XXX are hicontrast, human, crystal, oxygen, tango and galaxy >>>> - 6 separate packages to install. If you do not install these, you do >>>> not see the options for the various icon sets in the Options dialog of >>>> LO. >>>> >>>> hth >>>> Martin >>>> >>> >>> Martin, I am sure you are right. Aha! They are in >>> Synaptic package manager. Why didn't I think of that? (Probably >>> because I'm using a Mac these days. How quickly I forget Ubuntu >>> things!) >>> >>> So that is another way for Gabriel and others to get the Galaxy icon >>> set. I still think it's best to install LO from the LO website, to >>> avoid any other differences that may exist in the distro versions of >>> LO. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >>> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >>> >> >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >> documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] The missing Galaxy icon set: Solved
Hello Jean Just tried installing LO into Ubuntu 11.10 following the instructions on the LO website - download the DEB package from LO website, unarchive and use Terminal. The Galaxy set does not install and using Terminal produces a conflict error. Solution was to use Synaptic and install the Galaxy set. I definitely now have Galaxy set as default. Regards Peter On 5 Dec 2011, at 09:31, Jean Weber wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 17:35, wrote: >> >> Jean >> not sure if I have it correctly but: >> >> In Ubuntu 11.10 you have to install the additional libreoffice-style-XXX >> packages if you use the default install of Libreoffice. >> >> Choices for XXX are hicontrast, human, crystal, oxygen, tango and galaxy >> - 6 separate packages to install. If you do not install these, you do >> not see the options for the various icon sets in the Options dialog of >> LO. >> >> hth >> Martin >> > > Martin, I am sure you are right. Aha! They are in > Synaptic package manager. Why didn't I think of that? (Probably > because I'm using a Mac these days. How quickly I forget Ubuntu > things!) > > So that is another way for Gabriel and others to get the Galaxy icon > set. I still think it's best to install LO from the LO website, to > avoid any other differences that may exist in the distro versions of > LO. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] PING Peter S: LO icon set for screenshots
Thanks Jean for the comments. I thought I had set my Ubuntu Toshiba to Galaxy, but will check. Regards Peter On 4 Dec 2011, at 22:07, Jean Weber wrote: > Peter (and everyone), > > Please be sure to have LibreOffice set to use the *Galaxy* icon set, > so any screenshots show the default icon set for LO, not the set that > applies to your operating system. Otherwise we'll have a real mix of > icons shown in the screenshots. > > I've checked out Chapter 1 of the Impress Guide and am going through > it. I notice that you have replaced some of the previous screenshots > (which used the Galaxy icon set) with new screenshots using some other > icon set. This doesn't affect many of the pix (most don't show icons), > so you or I can easily restore the previous pix. > > The choice of the LO icon set is found in Tools > Options > > LibreOffice > View; in the User Interface section of that page, under > Icon size and style, choose Galaxy (default). > > Another bit of trivia: on the copyright page, be sure to change the LO > version number with 3.4.4 (or whatever LO 3.4.x version you're using), > and change the publication date to whatever date you upload the > changed copy. > > I'll let you know when I've finished going through the chapter and > have checked it back in. > > --Jean > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Editing Fields - Impress Guide
Hello Tom Maybe check to see if the listing has not been hacked. Immediately after posting the topic I got a spam email saying that I had won £500 000 in the UK. The I am using for LO is only used for business and office work. I just have a suspicious mind sometimes. Regards Peter On 4 Dec 2011, at 12:17, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > We are having a bit of trouble on the documentation list. Can anyone help > with this Impress problem? > Regards from > Tom :) > > --- On Sun, 4/12/11, PeeWee wrote: > > From: PeeWee > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Editing Fields - Impress Guide > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Sunday, 4 December, 2011, 11:15 > > Does anybody know about editing fields in Impress? > > I am updating the Impress Guide and have come across the instructions for > editing fields in the Impress Guide, but I cannot get this to work. When you > go to the Edit menu Fields is greyed out and cannot be used. Is this > something that has been removed from Impress? > > I have checked these instructions in Writer and they work OK, but not > Impress. > > Is this a bug report for the software people to sort out? > > Regards > > Peter > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Editing-Fields-Impress-Guide-tp3558836p3558836.html > Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
