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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-09 Thread flywire

There are missing pdf bookmarks for headings, eg Ch2 SQLite Databases

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-08 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hello Dev
Thanks for the heads-up.
Fixed
Olivier
PS: cut and paste in small font and low contrast web editor.

Em 08/06/2022 01:08, Vasudev Narayanan escreveu:

Greetings Olivier

The link to Base 7.3 image (Books Section: 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/) is 
pointing to Draw v7.3 guide. It might need your intervention.


Regards

-Dev


On 07/06/22 23:44, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hello Team

The Base Guide 7.3 Revision 0 is now published and available for 
download.


https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/

The book is an update from the Base Guide 7.2, reviewed and enhanced 
by Steve Fanning, Robert Großkopf, Vasudev Narayanan and flywire.


The book was created using a master document and chapters were 
adjusted to fit the master document specifics. In particular, we 
wrapped the copyright section and the Table of Contents of each 
chapter is a section that is hidden when build in the master document. 
The PDF and the ODT file were exported directly from the master document.


The Base Guide team reviewed and updated the Guide in a continuous 
mode (time based) and the Revision 1 (7.3 final) is scheduled for end 
of July 2022. After that, the Base Guide team will continue the work 
under the title Base Guide 7.4.


The team and the volunteers are now invited to pick the published 
chapter and update, following the standard rules of revision 
(track-changes, file naming convention, etc...) and upload it in the 
folder /Published-Rev1/) for later publication. By end of July, I'll 
pick the updates and rebuild the book.


The control sŕeadsheet is now Guide Status BG73-Rev1.ods

Kind regards





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-07 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi Olivier,

Thank you for publishing this version of the document.

I am interested in reviewing / updating Chapter 3 (Tables) and have put 
my initials against it in the tracking spreadsheet. This chapter makes 
use of the Media_without_Macros.odb database and, in case it needs some 
updates for better figures or any other reason, I have added that item 
to the spreadsheet and placed my initials against it.


I'm not sure how long my work on these two items will take and have 
reflected that in the spreadsheet too.


Regards,

Steve


On 07/06/2022 19:14, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hello Team

The Base Guide 7.3 Revision 0 is now published and available for 
download.


https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/

The book is an update from the Base Guide 7.2, reviewed and enhanced 
by Steve Fanning, Robert Großkopf, Vasudev Narayanan and flywire.


The book was created using a master document and chapters were 
adjusted to fit the master document specifics. In particular, we 
wrapped the copyright section and the Table of Contents of each 
chapter is a section that is hidden when build in the master document. 
The PDF and the ODT file were exported directly from the master document.


The Base Guide team reviewed and updated the Guide in a continuous 
mode (time based) and the Revision 1 (7.3 final) is scheduled for end 
of July 2022. After that, the Base Guide team will continue the work 
under the title Base Guide 7.4.


The team and the volunteers are now invited to pick the published 
chapter and update, following the standard rules of revision 
(track-changes, file naming convention, etc...) and upload it in the 
folder /Published-Rev1/) for later publication. By end of July, I'll 
pick the updates and rebuild the book.


The control sŕeadsheet is now Guide Status BG73-Rev1.ods

Kind regards



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Olivier Hallot


Fixed
Thanks for the Heads-up
Regards
Olivier

Em 30/05/2022 05:56, Robert Großkopf escreveu:

Hi Steve,


Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a 
list item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text 
"List box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 
3 style.


Exactly. I have seen this while there was a post for Listboxes in 
ask.libreoffice and couldn't find this header, special in online version 
of Base Guide 7.2.
See https://books.libreoffice.org/en/BG72/BG7204-Forms.html on the left 
- no list box appears.


Regards

Robert


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Robert Großkopf


Hi Steve,


Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a list 
item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text "List 
box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 3 style.


Exactly. I have seen this while there was a post for Listboxes in 
ask.libreoffice and couldn't find this header, special in online version 
of Base Guide 7.2.
See https://books.libreoffice.org/en/BG72/BG7204-Forms.html on the left 
- no list box appears.


Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi All,

Thanks for that Robert.

Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a list 
item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text "List 
box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 3 style.


Olivier, this problem still exists in the file in the Published folder. 
Would it be possible to correct it before final publication?


Regards,

Steve


On 29/05/2022 16:08, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi *,

looking or the chapter "List Box" (Forms → Form Properties → 
Properties of controls → List Box).
Content is there, but header appers at the end of chapter "Formatted 
field" in Base Guide 7.2. So it won't appear as separate entry.

Hope it will be corrected in Base Guide 7.3

Regards

Robert


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-15 Thread Olivier Hallot


HI Flywire

We will let readers check SQLite and report if anything goes bad.

Regards
Olivier


Em 14/05/2022 11:37, flywire escreveu:

Requesting again someone other than Steve or myself (ideally a typical
uninformed user) to test the SQLite install on a clean Windows system (ie
without an ODBC driver installed or any ODBC Data Source Names configured).
There are no instructions given in the linked Windows driver documentation
to create an ODBC Data Source Name (DSN).

Wiki reference:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/Base/Connect_to_SQLite



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide BG7309 - Macros

2022-05-15 Thread flywire

Tweaking the template can resolve almost all code colorization presentation
issues as explained below. (Process issues can be worked on separately.)

Key findings:
* Process is a bit of a black art
* LibreOffice_7.x_Template.ott has no Character Styles for colored computer
code
* Code Colorizer Formatter
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/71 is used but an
extension bug ignores the configuration dialog Font name, Text sizes and
Tab width
* Fortunately, the extension does not define styles defined in a document
* The Getting Started Guide 7.3 code looks good but Character Styles for
colored code seem to have been manually reformatted
* Adhoc processes will continue to occur in the absence of a standard
process as demonstrated in the Getting Started Guide 7.3 which essentially
duplicates character style trees with _LOCodeBase and OOoComputerCode

Suggested template workaround changes for existing extension:
* Use Paragraph Style Code Font Size of 10pt (extension mixes sizes and end
of line comment bug affects following line)
* Use Paragraph Style Code Spacing Do not add spacing to paragraphs of the
same style (reduces BG7309 page count by 15% and looks better)
* Use Character Style OOoComputerCode parent of Code (to carry style
through as intended)
* Character Style Code descendants must only configure color

Furthermore, define the following Character Styles in the Documentation
template instead of the extension:
OOoComputerCode
_OOoComputerBase
_OOoComputerComment  Grey
_OOoComputerBaseNoLocale
_OOoComputerSpecial
_OOoComputerLiteral  Red
_OOoComputerNumber   Red
_OOoComputerKeyWord  Blue
_OOoComputerAltKeyWord   Blue
_OOoComputerIdentGreen

The LibreOffice color palette should be used, for example, assuming no
color shades: (Grey), Orange Accent, Blue 1, Green 1. Other styles might be
needed for Bash, SQL, Java, and XML.

>
On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 9:23 AM Olivier Hallot <
> olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:
>
>> Documentation Team Meeting Minutes March 31st 2022 at 18:00 UTC.
>> ... Code Colorizing:
>>  [3/31 - VN]: -
>> As the developer community uses Writer and Impress to communicate code
>> snippets with their peers, code highlighting or colorizing is a
>> beneficial feature.
>> Enhancing existing features in Writer (Styles -> Source Text) to include
>> colorizing and indentation can be the starting point. However, this
>> requires UI and Engineering team to take it forward.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-14 Thread flywire

Requesting again someone other than Steve or myself (ideally a typical
uninformed user) to test the SQLite install on a clean Windows system (ie
without an ODBC driver installed or any ODBC Data Source Names configured).
There are no instructions given in the linked Windows driver documentation
to create an ODBC Data Source Name (DSN).

Wiki reference:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/Base/Connect_to_SQLite

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-07 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi flywire,

Thanks for the comments, which I have reviewed and actioned as appropriate.

I have rejected:

•    Some comments that seem to be simply changing the order of words in 
sentences that already seem reasonably well structured and clear.


•    Comments that propose adding more detail about the process of 
downloading and installing an ODBC driver, and then creating an ODBC 
data source name (DSN). I have deliberately assumed that this has little 
to do with Base and is, or should be, described in the documentation for 
the relevant ODBC driver. If these actions are not described adequately 
in a particular example of a driver’s documentation, then it might be 
better to propose improvements there rather than trying to rectify the 
problem in the Base Guide.


I have updated the date in the file name and returned the chapter to the 
NextCloud WIP folder, moving previous versions to the Archived folder.


Having spent a fair amount of time already on this chapter, I will leave 
others to process any further comments raised by any reviewers.


Regards,

Steve


On 04/05/2022 12:54, flywire wrote:

This is the first opportunity for feedback on the chapter -
BG7402-CreatingADatabase_SF_FW_04May2022.odt in WIP folder.

The revised chapter is well written and much easier to read with a lot of
good information. It's good to see it links the Getting Started Guide and
includes the SQLite database.

I'm most familiar with SQLite after working through it in detail to create
this section for the current guide so I've focused on it as an example.
Issues are noted in the comments and indicative text is given with tracked
changes. The intention is for discussion.

My overall view is the guide is too confusing for creating a simple SQLite
database. The SQLite process is fairly simple but it is confused by being
guided through a complicated install with links to many other places with
exceptions to follow. I'm very familiar with the process but I couldn't
keep track of the SQLite process using a pdf on a PC. Options should really
be tested with a few typical users, especially the likes of SQLite which is
well down the list.

I suggest a summary after each heading where other parts of the guide are
referred to for the details. This would likely be enough for many users
leaving the references for additional guidance as required. The alternative
would be to start with creating the simplest database and work through to
the more complex.

The connecting with ODBC Initial preparation has two clearly separate parts
which, to make it easier to navigate, need to be split under headings for
Install ODBC Driver and Configure database ODBC connection. ODBC driver
installation is generally well done but configuring database ODBC
connection refers to installation instructions that don't exist and vary by
OS.

Regards



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-04 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hi Steve
Yes please.
Kind regards
Olivier

Em 04/05/2022 20:07, Steve Fanning escreveu:

Hello all.

Olivier, would you like me to take assess these comments?

Regards,

Steve


On 04/05/2022 12:54, flywire wrote:

This is the first opportunity for feedback on the chapter -
BG7402-CreatingADatabase_SF_FW_04May2022.odt in WIP folder.

The revised chapter is well written and much easier to read with a lot of
good information. It's good to see it links the Getting Started Guide and
includes the SQLite database.

I'm most familiar with SQLite after working through it in detail to 
create

this section for the current guide so I've focused on it as an example.
Issues are noted in the comments and indicative text is given with 
tracked

changes. The intention is for discussion.

My overall view is the guide is too confusing for creating a simple 
SQLite

database. The SQLite process is fairly simple but it is confused by being
guided through a complicated install with links to many other places with
exceptions to follow. I'm very familiar with the process but I couldn't
keep track of the SQLite process using a pdf on a PC. Options should 
really
be tested with a few typical users, especially the likes of SQLite 
which is

well down the list.

I suggest a summary after each heading where other parts of the guide are
referred to for the details. This would likely be enough for many users
leaving the references for additional guidance as required. The 
alternative

would be to start with creating the simplest database and work through to
the more complex.

The connecting with ODBC Initial preparation has two clearly separate 
parts

which, to make it easier to navigate, need to be split under headings for
Install ODBC Driver and Configure database ODBC connection. ODBC driver
installation is generally well done but configuring database ODBC
connection refers to installation instructions that don't exist and 
vary by

OS.

Regards





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-04 Thread Steve Fanning


Hello all.

Olivier, would you like me to take assess these comments?

Regards,

Steve


On 04/05/2022 12:54, flywire wrote:

This is the first opportunity for feedback on the chapter -
BG7402-CreatingADatabase_SF_FW_04May2022.odt in WIP folder.

The revised chapter is well written and much easier to read with a lot of
good information. It's good to see it links the Getting Started Guide and
includes the SQLite database.

I'm most familiar with SQLite after working through it in detail to create
this section for the current guide so I've focused on it as an example.
Issues are noted in the comments and indicative text is given with tracked
changes. The intention is for discussion.

My overall view is the guide is too confusing for creating a simple SQLite
database. The SQLite process is fairly simple but it is confused by being
guided through a complicated install with links to many other places with
exceptions to follow. I'm very familiar with the process but I couldn't
keep track of the SQLite process using a pdf on a PC. Options should really
be tested with a few typical users, especially the likes of SQLite which is
well down the list.

I suggest a summary after each heading where other parts of the guide are
referred to for the details. This would likely be enough for many users
leaving the references for additional guidance as required. The alternative
would be to start with creating the simplest database and work through to
the more complex.

The connecting with ODBC Initial preparation has two clearly separate parts
which, to make it easier to navigate, need to be split under headings for
Install ODBC Driver and Configure database ODBC connection. ODBC driver
installation is generally well done but configuring database ODBC
connection refers to installation instructions that don't exist and vary by
OS.

Regards



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-04 Thread flywire

This is the first opportunity for feedback on the chapter -
BG7402-CreatingADatabase_SF_FW_04May2022.odt in WIP folder.

The revised chapter is well written and much easier to read with a lot of
good information. It's good to see it links the Getting Started Guide and
includes the SQLite database.

I'm most familiar with SQLite after working through it in detail to create
this section for the current guide so I've focused on it as an example.
Issues are noted in the comments and indicative text is given with tracked
changes. The intention is for discussion.

My overall view is the guide is too confusing for creating a simple SQLite
database. The SQLite process is fairly simple but it is confused by being
guided through a complicated install with links to many other places with
exceptions to follow. I'm very familiar with the process but I couldn't
keep track of the SQLite process using a pdf on a PC. Options should really
be tested with a few typical users, especially the likes of SQLite which is
well down the list.

I suggest a summary after each heading where other parts of the guide are
referred to for the details. This would likely be enough for many users
leaving the references for additional guidance as required. The alternative
would be to start with creating the simplest database and work through to
the more complex.

The connecting with ODBC Initial preparation has two clearly separate parts
which, to make it easier to navigate, need to be split under headings for
Install ODBC Driver and Configure database ODBC connection. ODBC driver
installation is generally well done but configuring database ODBC
connection refers to installation instructions that don't exist and vary by
OS.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-03 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi All,

I have placed a proposed new version of Chapter 2 in the WIP folder, 
moving all previous versions of the chapter to the Archived folder. I 
hope it is an improvement.


The chapter has essentially been re-written and so I recommend that it 
be given a thorough review before issue. Because of the level of change 
throughout the chapter since the previous draft, changes are not tracked 
in the document.


I wasn't sure how to handle the reviews that have already been done on 
the previous version of the chapter within the tracking spreadsheet and 
so I did nothing. Perhaps Olivier could handle that as he sees fit.


Many thanks to Robert Großkopf for his assistance and advice during my 
work on this chapter.


Regards,

Steve


On 03/05/2022 22:43, Olivier Hallot wrote:

HI Steve

PLease add it to the WIP folder, as usual.

Regards
Olivier

Em 03/05/2022 17:13, Steve Fanning escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

I have at last finished the time-consuming task of (hopefully) 
improving Chapter 2!


Where in NextCloud would you prefer me to place the updated file for 
its review? If I place it in the Base Guide > 7.3 folder then there 
might be an expectation that we will include this new file in the 
first iteration of the 7.3 BG. A proper review of the chapter (which 
has essentially been re-written) could take some time. Shall I put it 
in a new folder structure called something like Base Guide > 7.3 R2?


Regards,

Steve







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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - New Chapter 2

2022-05-03 Thread Olivier Hallot


HI Steve

PLease add it to the WIP folder, as usual.

Regards
Olivier

Em 03/05/2022 17:13, Steve Fanning escreveu:

Hi Olivier,

I have at last finished the time-consuming task of (hopefully) improving 
Chapter 2!


Where in NextCloud would you prefer me to place the updated file for its 
review? If I place it in the Base Guide > 7.3 folder then there might be 
an expectation that we will include this new file in the first iteration 
of the 7.3 BG. A proper review of the chapter (which has essentially 
been re-written) could take some time. Shall I put it in a new folder 
structure called something like Base Guide > 7.3 R2?


Regards,

Steve





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide BG7309 - Macros

2022-05-03 Thread Olivier Hallot


HI Team

I have accepted all suggestions from flywire and udpated the 
Published-Rev0 folder.


- Code lines are now with "code" style (no need to overcomplicate things)
- Extra LiBo* paragraph styles removed.
- Fixes here and there.

Regards
Olivier


Em 13/04/2022 11:05, flywire escreveu:

I've updated the Base Guide Macro chapter BG7309, with the following
changes:
- resolved outstanding ScriptForge Demo python coding issues and
accompanying text
- reran syntax highlighting code
- updated to LibreOffice_7.x_Template

I couldn't resolve these template issues which need to be fixed:
- All code has extra space between the lines, template Paragraph style
"Code" seems to need "Do not add space between paragraphs of the same
style" option selected
- html renders code lines with coloured background but extra space between
lines as white (contrary to writer and pdf), setting above should fix
- all the code comments and text in strings are in size 10pt font and the
other code is 11pt
- will need a final check for orphan paragraphs which should be considered
within template styles

Inconsistencies in GS7313-GettingStartedWithMacros.odt with template:
- Basic code commonly (inconsistently) uses 10pt instead of 11pt in template
- code blocks have captions

The file is in WIP folder for further review with track changes enabled.

BG7309-Macros_SF_OH_FW_24Jan2022_13Apr2022.odt



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide BG7309 - Macros

2022-05-02 Thread Olivier Hallot


HI Team

I have accepted all suggestions from flywire and udpated the 
Published-Rev0 folder.


- Code lines are now with "code" style (no need to overcomplicate things)
- Extra LiBo* paragraph styles removed.
- Fixes here and there.

Regards
Olivier


Em 13/04/2022 11:05, flywire escreveu:

I've updated the Base Guide Macro chapter BG7309, with the following
changes:
- resolved outstanding ScriptForge Demo python coding issues and
accompanying text
- reran syntax highlighting code
- updated to LibreOffice_7.x_Template

I couldn't resolve these template issues which need to be fixed:
- All code has extra space between the lines, template Paragraph style
"Code" seems to need "Do not add space between paragraphs of the same
style" option selected
- html renders code lines with coloured background but extra space between
lines as white (contrary to writer and pdf), setting above should fix
- all the code comments and text in strings are in size 10pt font and the
other code is 11pt
- will need a final check for orphan paragraphs which should be considered
within template styles

Inconsistencies in GS7313-GettingStartedWithMacros.odt with template:
- Basic code commonly (inconsistently) uses 10pt instead of 11pt in template
- code blocks have captions

The file is in WIP folder for further review with track changes enabled.

BG7309-Macros_SF_OH_FW_24Jan2022_13Apr2022.odt



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide: Current Status?

2022-04-21 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hello Pulkit

Welcome back !

Em 21/04/2022 08:25, Pulkit Krishna escreveu:

Hello Everybody,
For those of you who do not know me, I am Pulkit Krishna, the previous Base
Guide coordinator. I was unable to contribute anything for some time due to
some personal problems, but now I am back.

I had suggested a rewrite of Base Guide a few days before disappearing but
it seems the idea was abandoned due to lack of contributors. Reading the
mailing archive, I see that Steve took the role of coordinator (Thanks) and
proposed another plan, the one of step by step updating the guide. I think
that is a very good plan.


Steve is working on the chapter 2 of the Base Guide and I took the lead 
of the book. However I admit I have been flooded by other demands and I 
am late. Some of the chapters are published and I set a Master document 
to assemble the book continuously.


A lot has changed in the Documentation team since my last contributions and
I am confused by some changes and how they work. I will try to read the
mailing list archive and see what I can do. A new folder structure seems to
be used in Nextcloud and the tracking spreadsheet has also changed. The
template used for chapters was changing by the time I left and it has
changed completely. One thing that has not changed much is Base
itself . I will try to understand everything but I would be thankful if
someone would guide me if I do something wrong.


I don't think we did so many changes, the edit-revision process is still 
the same however we want to test if we publish our guides (Base being 
the first) in a continuous manner, "as is" and update it  indicating 
"revisions" in a periodic basis.


Like "Base Guide 7.3 Rev 1"
"Base Guide 7.3 Rev 2"
...



For now, I have taken BG7305-Queries for second review and the expected
return date is 26 April.


Thanks for that.


Side Note: I am getting a notice on Nextcloud - Group folder "LibreOffice
Documentation" is almost full (93%). I think this should go to infra but I
just added it here if somebody knows anything about it.


I also noticed that. It may require a housekeeping job by ourselves or 
it may also be a setting in Nextcloud installation. I'll jump in.


Pulkit Krishna


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide BG7309 - Macros

2022-04-13 Thread flywire

I've updated the Base Guide Macro chapter BG7309, with the following
changes:
- resolved outstanding ScriptForge Demo python coding issues and
accompanying text
- reran syntax highlighting code
- updated to LibreOffice_7.x_Template

I couldn't resolve these template issues which need to be fixed:
- All code has extra space between the lines, template Paragraph style
"Code" seems to need "Do not add space between paragraphs of the same
style" option selected
- html renders code lines with coloured background but extra space between
lines as white (contrary to writer and pdf), setting above should fix
- all the code comments and text in strings are in size 10pt font and the
other code is 11pt
- will need a final check for orphan paragraphs which should be considered
within template styles

Inconsistencies in GS7313-GettingStartedWithMacros.odt with template:
- Basic code commonly (inconsistently) uses 10pt instead of 11pt in template
- code blocks have captions

The file is in WIP folder for further review with track changes enabled.

BG7309-Macros_SF_OH_FW_24Jan2022_13Apr2022.odt

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 chapter 3

2022-03-26 Thread Olivier Hallot


HI Vikram

I reviewed your changes and updated the published chapter. My remarks 
were added to the file you uploaded. The master document and PDF are 
updated.


Thanks for the review and suggestions for better wording.

Kind regards
OLivier


Em 24/03/2022 23:31, Vikram Ghangurde escreveu:

Hello,

I have reviewed chapter 3 of Base Guide 7.3. I made some edits to the text
to improve clarity and fixed a few minor spelling/grammar errors.

Best,
Vikram



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - sample databases provided with the book

2022-01-10 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi Robert,

I don't believe that there is a problem.

We are just making sure that the two databases that we've updated (for 
the new Chapter 1 screenshots etc) are properly controlled.


I will liaise with him and let you know if any assistance is needed.

Regards,

Steve


On 10/01/2022 19:38, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi *,


I am uploading the updated version of "Media_without_Macros.odb" 
database file. I have addressed Task#1 and Task#5.


After looking at the database file, I understood you have taken care 
of #2, #3, #4 tasks. Thank you for that.


Du I understand it right? You wan't to correct the database like task 
2, 3 and 4 but don't know how?

Where have you uploaded the database? I will have a look at this problem.

Regards

Robert


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - sample databases provided with the book

2022-01-10 Thread Robert Großkopf


Hi *,


I am uploading the updated version of "Media_without_Macros.odb" 
database file. I have addressed Task#1 and Task#5.


After looking at the database file, I understood you have taken care of 
#2, #3, #4 tasks. Thank you for that.


Du I understand it right? You wan't to correct the database like task 2, 
3 and 4 but don't know how?

Where have you uploaded the database? I will have a look at this problem.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-06 Thread Jean Weber

Steve,
Looks okay to me.
Jean

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:43 PM Steve Fanning
 wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have compiled the 7.2 Base Guide into one ODT file, and generated the
> PDF for the book. All files are in the Published folder in NextCloud.
>
> All is ready for final checking before publication and hopefully Jean
> will still have time available to look at this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 05/12/2021 13:44, Steve Fanning wrote:
> > Hello everybody.
> >
> > I have moved the ODT and PDF files for all chapters of the 7.2 Base
> > Guide to the Published folder.
> >
> > Next I will collate the full book.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 04/12/2021 11:24, Jean Weber wrote:
> >> Hi Steve,
> >> Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
> >> Jean
> >>
> >> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Jean,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
> >>> regards to your question about the description of how the software
> >>> behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
> >>> description to match that in the other books.
> >>>
> >>> I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter,
> >>> generate
> >>> chapter PDFs and compile the book.
> >>>
> >>> Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
> >>> finished?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-06 Thread Steve Fanning


Hello All,

I have compiled the 7.2 Base Guide into one ODT file, and generated the 
PDF for the book. All files are in the Published folder in NextCloud.


All is ready for final checking before publication and hopefully Jean 
will still have time available to look at this.


Regards,

Steve


On 05/12/2021 13:44, Steve Fanning wrote:

Hello everybody.

I have moved the ODT and PDF files for all chapters of the 7.2 Base 
Guide to the Published folder.


Next I will collate the full book.

Regards,

Steve


On 04/12/2021 11:24, Jean Weber wrote:

Hi Steve,
Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
Jean

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
wrote:


Hi Jean,

Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
regards to your question about the description of how the software
behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
description to match that in the other books.

I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter, 
generate

chapter PDFs and compile the book.

Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
finished?

Regards,

Steve


On 03/12/2021 23:43, Jean Weber wrote:

Steve,
I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
Jean

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

I’ll do it. -Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 


wrote:

Hi All,

Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for

Base
Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - 
and has

lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.

It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.

Regards,

Steve







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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-05 Thread Steve Fanning


Hello everybody.

I have moved the ODT and PDF files for all chapters of the 7.2 Base 
Guide to the Published folder.


Next I will collate the full book.

Regards,

Steve


On 04/12/2021 11:24, Jean Weber wrote:

Hi Steve,
Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
Jean

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
wrote:


Hi Jean,

Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
regards to your question about the description of how the software
behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
description to match that in the other books.

I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter, generate
chapter PDFs and compile the book.

Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
finished?

Regards,

Steve


On 03/12/2021 23:43, Jean Weber wrote:

Steve,
I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
Jean

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

I’ll do it. -Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 

wrote:

Hi All,

Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for

Base

Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.

It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.

Regards,

Steve





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-04 Thread Jean Weber

Hi Steve,
Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
Jean

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
> Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
> regards to your question about the description of how the software
> behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
> description to match that in the other books.
>
> I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter, generate
> chapter PDFs and compile the book.
>
> Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
> finished?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 03/12/2021 23:43, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Steve,
> > I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
> > filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
> > Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
> > Jean
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >> I’ll do it. -Jean
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 
> wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for
> Base
> >>> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
> >>> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
> >>>
> >>> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
> >>> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-04 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi Jean,

Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With 
regards to your question about the description of how the software 
behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the 
description to match that in the other books.


I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter, generate 
chapter PDFs and compile the book.


Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am 
finished?


Regards,

Steve


On 03/12/2021 23:43, Jean Weber wrote:

Steve,
I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
Jean

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

I’ll do it. -Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning  wrote:

Hi All,

Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for Base
Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.

It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.

Regards,

Steve



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-03 Thread Jean Weber

Steve,
I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
Jean

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I’ll do it. -Jean
>
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for Base
>> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
>> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
>>
>> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
>> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

2021-12-03 Thread Jean Weber

I’ll do it. -Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for Base
> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
>
> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Preface v7.0 Review

2020-07-14 Thread Dan Lewis

Make sure that  Edit > Track Changes > Record is checked. Then make the 
changes you want to make. You can also explain why you think the change 
should be made in comment-forms of the document. When you save the 
document, it will contain the original text and your changes. The author 
can then check what you have done and either accept or reject your changes.


Dan

On 7/14/20 14:57, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hello, LO Docs Team,

A quick question. I've read through the V7.0 Base guide revision (as per
Annie Nguyen's email, found in the Feedback folder), and I have some
syntactic and copyediting suggestions. Since this is my first official
document contribution, I was wondering if you prefer having edits sent
directly to this email? or in comment-form on the document?

Thank you!
Regards,
Sam

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

    




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.4 & EPUB of v6.2

2020-05-24 Thread Jean Weber

Done. In Feedback folder.
Jean

On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 14:46 Jean Weber  wrote:

> Yes, I will look at The formatting of Chapter 2.
> Jean
>
> On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 13:15 Pulkit Krishna 
> wrote:
>
>> I have accepted all changes
>> made by Dan to chapter 2 and moved the file back to Drafts folder.
>>
>> Jean: Can you see to the formatting of chapter 2?
>>
>> Pulkit Krishna
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.4 & EPUB of v6.2

2020-05-20 Thread Jean Weber

Yes, I will look at The formatting of Chapter 2.
Jean

On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 13:15 Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> Hello Everybody,
> I have uploaded the first drafts of all the remaining chapters
> (7,8,10,11&12) of Base Guide 6.4 to the Drafts folder. For last few days I
> did not had good Internet connection, so I was unable to upload them. I
> have moved chapter 0,1 & 9 to Published folder. I have accepted all changes
> made by Dan to chapter 2 and moved the file back to Drafts folder.
>
> Jean: Can you see to the formatting of chapter 2?
>
> As for the EPUB file of Base Guide 6.2, I have moved it to the published
> folder and have uploaded it to the wiki. Maybe it should also be linked in
> the main Documentation website(I am not sure if EPUB versions are linked
> there).
>
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.4 - Reviewer Needed

2020-05-17 Thread Jean Weber

I have checked (and corrected, as needed) the formatting in the
Preface and Chapters 1 and 9. The files are in the Feedback folder.
Jean

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:54 PM Pulkit Krishna
 wrote:
>
> Hello Everybody,
> The base Guide 6.4 is progressing well. I have updated chapter 0-6 ad chapter 
> 9. I am working on chapter 7. Dan has done the review of chapter 0 & 1. He is 
> currently working on the epub version of base guide 6.2. It would be best if 
> someone will review the rest chapters. The sooner we complete the 6.4 
> version, we will get more time for v7.0.
>
> Pulkit Krisha

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.2 Published!

2020-05-04 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hello Team, Pulkit

Congrats for the achievement !

I have added the Base Guide to the documentation website:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org

Regards
Olivier

Em 04/05/2020 02:49, Pulkit Krishna escreveu:
> Hello Everybody,
> At last Base Guide 6.2 has been published. I have uploaded the complete
> book as well as the separate chapters to the wiki. They can be downloaded
> from:-
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide
> 
> Oliver, Can you put the book on the main LibreOffice website?
> Pulkit Krishna
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.2 Published!

2020-05-04 Thread Mike Saunders

Hi everyone,

Great work! I've blogged about it here:

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/05/04/announcing-the-libreoffice-base-guide-6-2/

I'll spread the word on social media, Reddit, Telegram etc. now too.

Cheers,
Mike


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> Hello Everybody,
> At last Base Guide 6.2 has been published. I have uploaded the complete
> book as well as the separate chapters to the wiki. They can be downloaded
> from:-
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide
> 
> Oliver, Can you put the book on the main LibreOffice website?
> Pulkit Krishna
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide ch 7 report and more

2020-04-29 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Dan,

>
>> > I have also downloaded chapter 8, Getting Started with Base. I
>> > should finish this by Tuesday evening (2000UTC). I did not find any
>> > place in the Status spreadsheet to place this information.
>>
>>  You should add your info on the row under the one for that chapter. The
chapter has gone through a review process, but someone said that it should
go through the process again. I will take it for second review after you
are done with it.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide ch 7 report and more

2020-04-29 Thread Pulkit Krishna

There is a bug. It does not work on ubuntu also.

On 30 Apr 2020 2:23 a.m., "Jean Weber"  wrote:

> Comments below.
>
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 03:42 Dan Lewis  wrote:
>
> > I have gone as far as I can go with mail merge. The only problem
> > that I can not solve is with Step 4 of the mail merge wizard, Create a
> > salutation. As long as I uncheck the box for a personal salutation, it
> > works fine. Otherwise I get an two lines when there should only be one:
> >
> > Dear Mr. x,
> > Dear Mrs. x,
> >
>
> This happened to me, too, using 6.4 on MacOS. I didn’t try hidden
> paragraphs.
> Jean
>
>
> > Hidden paragraphs do not work either. This is for LibreOffice 6.2, 6.3,
> > and 6.4 (6.4.3.2). There is a bug #118861 that involves this problem. I
> > wonder if using the Debian version has anything to do with this.
> >
> > So, I have uploaded the file into the feedback folder with a comment in
> > that section. The Guide Status file has been updated. Someone else needs
> > to look through all of the recorded changes I have made to this file.
> >
> > I have also downloaded chapter 8, Getting Started with Base. I
> > should finish this by Tuesday evening (2000UTC). I did not find any
> > place in the Status spreadsheet to place this information.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide ch 7 report and more

2020-04-29 Thread Jean Weber

Comments below.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 03:42 Dan Lewis  wrote:

> I have gone as far as I can go with mail merge. The only problem
> that I can not solve is with Step 4 of the mail merge wizard, Create a
> salutation. As long as I uncheck the box for a personal salutation, it
> works fine. Otherwise I get an two lines when there should only be one:
>
> Dear Mr. x,
> Dear Mrs. x,
>

This happened to me, too, using 6.4 on MacOS. I didn’t try hidden
paragraphs.
Jean


> Hidden paragraphs do not work either. This is for LibreOffice 6.2, 6.3,
> and 6.4 (6.4.3.2). There is a bug #118861 that involves this problem. I
> wonder if using the Debian version has anything to do with this.
>
> So, I have uploaded the file into the feedback folder with a comment in
> that section. The Guide Status file has been updated. Someone else needs
> to look through all of the recorded changes I have made to this file.
>
> I have also downloaded chapter 8, Getting Started with Base. I
> should finish this by Tuesday evening (2000UTC). I did not find any
> place in the Status spreadsheet to place this information.
>
> Dan
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.2 Chapter 01 IntroductiontoBase: missing table in sample Database

2020-04-12 Thread Rob Westein


Hi,

I found it (I think): table "Preferences" is the "Settings" table 
mentioned in the text.

This has to be corrected in the Guide.

/Rob


On 12-04-2020 13:38, Rob Westein wrote:

Hi,

For the dutch documentation team I'm reading the into dutch translated 
chapter "Introduction to Base". I use the English translation as 
reference.


Now, on top of page 9 (of the english translation) it says "The 
Extension field contains information about extensions of the loan for 
an item. The meaning of the values 1, 2... is explained later. The 
database contains a separate table with the label Settings."


In the sample databases  Media_without_macros.odb and 
Media_with_macros.odb I cannot find the Table Settings.


When I look into the german sample Database "Medien_Ohne_Makros.odb"  
I find table "Einstellungen" but this table "Settings" is not 
available in the English sample databases


Did I mis something?

/Rob






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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] BASE GUIDE CORDINATOR

2020-04-12 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Oliver,
Thank you for your message. Currently, the base guide has been translated
from its german version. I have translated all the chapters. I think now
that we will have a base guide 6.2, we english contributors can update it
for version 6.4 and further versions by ourselves. We do not need to
translate from german anymore. We can take content from german
handbauch time to time as Robert is much better than me in base but I do no
think that we should be completely dependent on only the german version of
base guide for translating into English. 4 chapters are left to be
reviewed for version 6.2. After that it would be ready to be published. Out
of those two, Dan and Drew have taken 2 for their review. Randolph, a new
volunteer, has agreed to review the left two. So I think that base guide
6.2 is going to be published soon. After that we can update it to version
6.4. There is not much to do as base has not changed much but I have
decided to add some more information to it and update all the screenshots
(the screenshots are a bit old) with the help of Rob.
Pulkit Krishna

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> Everyone in the team is eligible.
>
> It will be nice to know your visions and plans for the Base guide.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Em 10/04/2020 04:51, Pulkit Krishna escreveu:
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> >
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> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] BASE GUIDE CORDINATOR

2020-04-11 Thread Olivier Hallot

Hi Pulkit

Everyone in the team is eligible.

It will be nice to know your visions and plans for the Base guide.

Kind regards

Em 10/04/2020 04:51, Pulkit Krishna escreveu:
> I don't know if I am eligible  but I can be the base guide cordinator.
> 
> Pulkit Krishna
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-05 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Everybody,
Can anyone take Appendix A and B for their respective second reviews? I
don't think they need much editing now. But a second review is necessary.
Pulkit Krishna


On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:07 AM Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> Hello Jean,
> You should take chapter 9 for second review not first. That way you can
> make sure everything is in correct formatting. Let anyone else with a
> knowledge of macros take it for first review.
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
>> I have time to fix the styles and formatting in chapter 9, Macros, but I
>> don’t know enough about macros to review the content.
>>
>> Jean
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 15:20  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Pulkit
>> >
>> > I do not have much knowlegde of Base and also no affinity with it.
>> > So I do not no if I am the one to review a chapter of the Base Guide.
>> >
>> > Greetings, Kees
>> >
>> > Pulkit Krishna schreef op 04.04.2020 12:50:
>> > > Hello Kees,
>> > > Steve said that he can't take macros chapter of base guide for review.
>> > > I
>> > > hope you can take it. (See my previous email).
>> > > Pulkit Krishna
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:54 PM Pulkit Krishna
>> > > 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I know that Robert but Drew has taken the file for around 20-25 days
>> > >> and
>> > >> he is not answering to any of my emails. I think he is busy.
>> > >> Pulkit Krishna
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:52 PM Robert Großkopf
>> > >> 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi Pulkit,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have
>> the
>> > >>> > review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done
>> the
>> > >>> first
>> > >>> > and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started
>> guide.
>> > >>> Can
>> > >>> > you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
>> > >>> written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros,
>> > >>> because
>> > >>> I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> don't need to use this feature.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Robert
>> > >>> --
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>> > >>>
>> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Jean Weber

I have time to fix the styles and formatting in chapter 9, Macros, but I
don’t know enough about macros to review the content.

Jean

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 at 15:20  wrote:

> Hi Pulkit
>
> I do not have much knowlegde of Base and also no affinity with it.
> So I do not no if I am the one to review a chapter of the Base Guide.
>
> Greetings, Kees
>
> Pulkit Krishna schreef op 04.04.2020 12:50:
> > Hello Kees,
> > Steve said that he can't take macros chapter of base guide for review.
> > I
> > hope you can take it. (See my previous email).
> > Pulkit Krishna
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:54 PM Pulkit Krishna
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I know that Robert but Drew has taken the file for around 20-25 days
> >> and
> >> he is not answering to any of my emails. I think he is busy.
> >> Pulkit Krishna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:52 PM Robert Großkopf
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Pulkit,
> >>>
> >>> > I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
> >>> > review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the
> >>> first
> >>> > and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide.
> >>> Can
> >>> > you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?
> >>>
> >>> Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
> >>> written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros,
> >>> because
> >>> I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access
> >>> and
> >>> don't need to use this feature.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>> --
> >>> Homepage: https://www.familiegrosskopf.de/robert
> >>>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread kees538

Hi Pulkit

I do not have much knowlegde of Base and also no affinity with it.
So I do not no if I am the one to review a chapter of the Base Guide.

Greetings, Kees

Pulkit Krishna schreef op 04.04.2020 12:50:

Hello Kees,
Steve said that he can't take macros chapter of base guide for review. 
I

hope you can take it. (See my previous email).
Pulkit Krishna

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:54 PM Pulkit Krishna 

wrote:

I know that Robert but Drew has taken the file for around 20-25 days 
and

he is not answering to any of my emails. I think he is busy.
Pulkit Krishna

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:52 PM Robert Großkopf 

wrote:

Hi Pulkit,

> I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
> review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the
first
> and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide.
Can
> you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?

Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros, 
because
I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access 
and

don't need to use this feature.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Robert,
I know that but Drew has taken the file for around 20-25 days and he is not
answering to any of my emails. I think he is busy.
Pulkit Krishna


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:52 PM Robert Großkopf 
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> Hi Pulkit,
>
> > I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
> > review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the
> first
> > and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide. Can
> > you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?
>
> Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
> written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros, because
> I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access and
> don't need to use this feature.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Kees,
Steve said that he can't take macros chapter of base guide for review. I
hope you can take it. (See my previous email).
Pulkit Krishna


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:54 PM Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> I know that Robert but Drew has taken the file for around 20-25 days and
> he is not answering to any of my emails. I think he is busy.
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:52 PM Robert Großkopf 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pulkit,
>>
>> > I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
>> > review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the
>> first
>> > and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide.
>> Can
>> > you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?
>>
>> Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
>> written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros, because
>> I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access and
>> don't need to use this feature.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
>> --
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>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Steve,
No problem. Hope Kees can do it.
Pulkit Krishna


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Pulkit,
>
> I'm sorry but I am not able to take on that task at present.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pulkit Krishna
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 8:41 AM
> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
>
> Hello Every body,
> I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
> review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the first
> and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide. Can
> you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?
>
> @Dan:
> Have you completed the second review of chapter DB connections? If you have
> then you can upload it to feedback folder. Or else if you have not
> completed the kindly update the spreadsheet as you have given 31st march as
> expected return date and today is 4th April.
>
> @Everybody:
> Can anyone have a second review of Appendix A and B?
>
> Thank You
> Pulkit Krishna
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hi Pulkit,

> I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
> review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the first
> and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide. Can
> you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?

Drew wanted to add content to the chapter about Access2Base. I have
written only a few rows about this possibility to create macros, because
I don't know anything about macros in Windows and macros in Access and
don't need to use this feature.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2020-04-04 Thread Steve Fanning


Pulkit,

I'm sorry but I am not able to take on that task at present.

Regards,

Steve


-Original Message- 
From: Pulkit Krishna

Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 8:41 AM
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

Hello Every body,
I think that Drew is extremely busy at the moment and cannot have the
review of chapter 9 macros. I see that Stephen and Kees had done the first
and second review of the macros chapter of the getting started guide. Can
you both please also review the macros chapter of Base guide?

@Dan:
Have you completed the second review of chapter DB connections? If you have
then you can upload it to feedback folder. Or else if you have not
completed the kindly update the spreadsheet as you have given 31st march as
expected return date and today is 4th April.

@Everybody:
Can anyone have a second review of Appendix A and B?

Thank You
Pulkit Krishna

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide WiP

2020-03-23 Thread Drew Jensen

WiP = Work in Progress

and that is under Macros, not Base, btw

Anyway, looks like *Alain R. is scratching an itch. Nice, he is the guy for
this!*

*Wish him well,*

*Drew*



On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:32 AM Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> What is Base Guide WiP?
> There is a folder by this name inside the English Folder on Nextcloud.
> Inside this folder, there is a folder named Related Materials.
> Inside that folder there is a document named BG70nn-SyntaxDiagrams.
> The document is just a renamed chapter template with the title changed.
> The version number in the file is 7.0.
> We have not completed Base Guide 6.2 and not even started version 6.4. The
> version 7.0 is to be released in August. Shouldn't we focus on version 6.2
> and 6.4. Whoever has written this chapter should add his initials in the
> file name.
> The release note page of version 7.0 does not state any changes in bas,
> then why are we including this new chapter in version 7.0? Does this
> chapter apply to version 6.4 or 6.2? If so then we should include it in
> those guides too.
>
> Pulkit Krishna
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 9 Macros; Expanding section on Access2Base

2020-03-16 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Everybody,
I have moved chapter 6 to published folder. I have changed some structure
in the spreadsheet. Before this there was a column called Actual Return
Date. I did not understand the use of that column. The return date of
reviews are written after the respective review by column. So there was no
need of that column. I have deleted it. I have also made two columns -
"First Draft uploaded by" and "First Draft uploaded on". The checked out by
and Expected Return Date would act as common columns for First Draft, First
Review and Second Review and the information in it can be deleted
afterwards. If anyone has any questions they can ask me. This change is
only for Base Guide 6.2.

Pulkit Krishna

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 9 Macros; Expanding section on Access2Base

2020-03-16 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hi Drew,
> 
> By far the largest would be to expand the section on the Access2Base
> standard basic library.
> 
> What is there now is inadequate IMO.

It's a good idea. I don't know anything about Access2Base. So I have
written only that there is such an extension.

This chapter should be written by somebody who has used Access and used
macros in Access. I have never used Access, never used MSOffice, used
only StarOffice/OpenOffice/LibreOffice under Linux. So I couldn't know
what should be the reason for the extension Access2Base.

I will translate your chapter to the German Base Handbuch later.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello

I am having to do screenshots using Mac OS as I no longer have a reliable 
Windows/Linux computer. I know there is slight differences between the 
operating systems, but a user should be able to work things out as the pictures 
are almost the same.

Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com



> On 29 Feb 2020, at 10:58, Jean Weber  wrote:
> 
> My opinion, FWIW: I think it's a waste of time to redo the screenshots
> in Windows, though I have no objection to doing so. Some of the
> sections in Chapter 2 may be Linux-only; I'm not sure. And a chapter
> with new screenshots will need a quick review to make sure they are
> all okay, correctly anchored, and so on.
> 
> Jean
> 
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 7:03 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> On 28-02-2020 10:32, Pulkit Krishna wrote:
>>> Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they meet the
>>> current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so that
>>> it does not include the german title.
>>> 
>>> To Rob:
>>> I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the chapter
>>> from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
>>> inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as there
>>> are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all of the
>>> needed ones.
>> 
>> Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
>> screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
>> chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
>> So I redo all screenshots in Windows??
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> /Rob
>> 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread kees538

Jean Weber schreef op 29.02.2020 11:13:

Some time recently, I think Olivier said the English guides should have
screenshots from Windows. I was surprised because a few years ago
everything was supposed to be Linux, and I do not recall why this 
happened.

I think it is because most of the LO users are still Windows users.

Kees

Jean

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 20:05 Robert Großkopf 

wrote:

Hi Rob,
>
> Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
> screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
> chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
> So I redo all screenshots in Windows??

Don't know where to get the chapters of the Base guide you are working
on, but the original Base Handbook and the published version for LO 
5.0
contains only Linux-screenshots. There are 2 resons for this 
screenshots:

- avoid to get trouble with copyrights (the German documentation team
decided to take all screenshots in a special Linux-GTK-design ...)
- no Windows system available for me, the author of the Base Handbuch.

Regards

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Jean Weber

Some time recently, I think Olivier said the English guides should have
screenshots from Windows. I was surprised because a few years ago
everything was supposed to be Linux, and I do not recall why this happened.

Jean

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 20:05 Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi Rob,
> >
> > Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
> > screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
> > chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
> > So I redo all screenshots in Windows??
>
> Don't know where to get the chapters of the Base guide you are working
> on, but the original Base Handbook and the published version for LO 5.0
> contains only Linux-screenshots. There are 2 resons for this screenshots:
> - avoid to get trouble with copyrights (the German documentation team
> decided to take all screenshots in a special Linux-GTK-design ...)
> - no Windows system available for me, the author of the Base Handbuch.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Jean Weber

OTOH, doing new screenshots is a great way to check whether the text makes
sense, is missing no important info, and is correct.

Jean

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 19:58 Jean Weber  wrote:

> My opinion, FWIW: I think it's a waste of time to redo the screenshots
> in Windows, though I have no objection to doing so. Some of the
> sections in Chapter 2 may be Linux-only; I'm not sure. And a chapter
> with new screenshots will need a quick review to make sure they are
> all okay, correctly anchored, and so on.
>
> Jean
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 7:03 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > On 28-02-2020 10:32, Pulkit Krishna wrote:
> > > Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they
> meet the
> > > current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so
> that
> > > it does not include the german title.
> > >
> > > To Rob:
> > > I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the
> chapter
> > > from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
> > > inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as
> there
> > > are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all
> of the
> > > needed ones.
> >
> > Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
> > screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
> > chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
> > So I redo all screenshots in Windows??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > /Rob
> >
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hi Rob,
> 
> Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
> screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
> chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
> So I redo all screenshots in Windows??

Don't know where to get the chapters of the Base guide you are working
on, but the original Base Handbook and the published version for LO 5.0
contains only Linux-screenshots. There are 2 resons for this screenshots:
- avoid to get trouble with copyrights (the German documentation team
decided to take all screenshots in a special Linux-GTK-design ...)
- no Windows system available for me, the author of the Base Handbuch.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Jean Weber

My opinion, FWIW: I think it's a waste of time to redo the screenshots
in Windows, though I have no objection to doing so. Some of the
sections in Chapter 2 may be Linux-only; I'm not sure. And a chapter
with new screenshots will need a quick review to make sure they are
all okay, correctly anchored, and so on.

Jean

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 7:03 PM Rob Westein  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> On 28-02-2020 10:32, Pulkit Krishna wrote:
> > Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,
> >
> >
> > I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they meet the
> > current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so that
> > it does not include the german title.
> >
> > To Rob:
> > I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the chapter
> > from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
> > inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as there
> > are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all of the
> > needed ones.
>
> Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the
> screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in
> chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...
> So I redo all screenshots in Windows??
>
> Thanks,
>
> /Rob
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-29 Thread Rob Westein


Hi All,

On 28-02-2020 10:32, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,


I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they meet the
current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so that
it does not include the german title.

To Rob:
I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the chapter
from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as there
are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all of the
needed ones.


Just to be clear... I thought we agreed to use Windows OS to create the 
screendumps... (Dan told us to use Windows OS) The first Image in 
chapter 1 does not looks like Windows at all...

So I redo all screenshots in Windows??

Thanks,

/Rob



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-28 Thread Jean Weber

The wrong date on the file and the spreadsheet was my mistake. I was not
paying attention and I thought Friday was the 29th! 

BTW, I am “she” not “he”. I know Jean is a man’s name in France and other
countries, so people often make that mistake.

Jean

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 19:33 Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,
> I have compared chapter 1 before and after being edited by Jean. I have
> accepted all the changes. I have adjusted some screenshots so that they
> meet the current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the
> figure so that it does not include the german title). I have placed the
> chapter in Published folder and updated the spreadsheet.
>
> To Jean:
> I have added the name of the databases Media without macros and media with
> macros to the preface. I dit not used track changes as the change was
> necessary and the database name should be mentioned there.
>
> To Dan:
> Jean has commented that it would be too complicated to name the table
> "Athletes". He has changed the sentences accordingly so that the readers
> can understand that starters anre athletes. I agree with him.
>
> I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they meet the
> current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so that
> it does not include the german title.
>
> To Rob:
> I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the chapter
> from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
> inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as there
> are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all of the
> needed ones.
>
> To Everybody:
> There is a date problem. I think Jean being from Australia has added 29th
> Feb to the date in the Spreadsheet but it is 28th in India (where I live)
> at time of writing this mail. I think we should not use local dates and use
> the Universal time.
>
> Pulkit Krishna
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:23 AM Rob Westein  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jean,
> >
> > On 28-02-2020 02:00, Jean Weber wrote:
> > > Rob, if you are doing screenshots for Chapter 2 this week, I'll skip
> > > that chapter for now and work on Chapter 3.
> >
> > I did not have time this week to work on the screenshots
> > Last week I've downloaded all drafts, so I can prepare the screenshots
> > coming weekend.
> > Next week I will (hopefully) add them to the documents. No need to wait
> > for me.
> >
> > Rob
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-28 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hello Jean, Dan and Rob,
I have compared chapter 1 before and after being edited by Jean. I have
accepted all the changes. I have adjusted some screenshots so that they
meet the current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the
figure so that it does not include the german title). I have placed the
chapter in Published folder and updated the spreadsheet.

To Jean:
I have added the name of the databases Media without macros and media with
macros to the preface. I dit not used track changes as the change was
necessary and the database name should be mentioned there.

To Dan:
Jean has commented that it would be too complicated to name the table
"Athletes". He has changed the sentences accordingly so that the readers
can understand that starters anre athletes. I agree with him.

I have adjusted the screenshots that you commented on so that they meet the
current standard (For example on page 24, I have cropped the figure so that
it does not include the german title.

To Rob:
I have adjusted the screenshots but if you want you can take the chapter
from the published, replace the screenshots and put it back there and
inform the mailing list.But I would advice you to skip chapter 1 as there
are not many needs of screenshot replacement and I have adjusted all of the
needed ones.

To Everybody:
There is a date problem. I think Jean being from Australia has added 29th
Feb to the date in the Spreadsheet but it is 28th in India (where I live)
at time of writing this mail. I think we should not use local dates and use
the Universal time.

Pulkit Krishna

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:23 AM Rob Westein  wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
> On 28-02-2020 02:00, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Rob, if you are doing screenshots for Chapter 2 this week, I'll skip
> > that chapter for now and work on Chapter 3.
>
> I did not have time this week to work on the screenshots
> Last week I've downloaded all drafts, so I can prepare the screenshots
> coming weekend.
> Next week I will (hopefully) add them to the documents. No need to wait
> for me.
>
> Rob
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-27 Thread Rob Westein


Hi Jean,

On 28-02-2020 02:00, Jean Weber wrote:

Rob, if you are doing screenshots for Chapter 2 this week, I'll skip
that chapter for now and work on Chapter 3.


I did not have time this week to work on the screenshots
Last week I've downloaded all drafts, so I can prepare the screenshots 
coming weekend.
Next week I will (hopefully) add them to the documents. No need to wait 
for me.


Rob


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapters 1 & 2 & 3

2020-02-27 Thread Jean Weber

Pulkit, Dan, and Rob:

I have returned Chapter 1, heavily edited, to the Feedback folder. I
left notes in it about what I did, and some questions that I could not
answer. I have updated the Status spreadsheet.

Rob, if you are doing screenshots for Chapter 2 this week, I'll skip
that chapter for now and work on Chapter 3.

Jean

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:37 AM Rob Westein  wrote:
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> No problem. I'm planning to redo chapter 2 screenshots this week.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On 23-02-2020 21:30, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Rob,
> >
> > I checked out Ch 1 & 2 for review but would prefer to do my review after
> > you replace the screenshots, and I’m a bit busy on other projects at
> > the moment. Rather than delay you, if you have time this week, I’ll let you
> > work on them first. Would that work for you?
> >
> > Regards, Jean
> >

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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-21 Thread Lailah



Or may be to create a separate document explaining those details about
databases back-ends?

Is just an idea...



El mar, 20-03-2012 a las 11:17 +, Tom Davies escribió:

 Hi :)
 I think Dan's plan is a good one and it's very ambitious.  it's good to have 
 input from new people but would it be possible to complete the 1st Base Guide 
 according to Dan's plan first.  After that would be the ideal time to discuss 
 restructuring it and perhaps add in an Advanced guide.  
 
 From discussions on the Users List it seems there is a gap in the market for 
  an extremely simplistic and single purpose guide to help people create a 
 contacts database and/or read a Thunderbird one.  I think linking to an 
 Evolution/Outlook one would make it too complex.
 
 I agree that the Base Guide that Dan has planned needs to avoid using the 
 embedded back-end.  When we first discussed the plan for the Base Guide most 
 of us didn't realise quite how appalling the embedded one is.  Using HSqlDb 
 as an external back-end after downloading the proper HSqlDb from their 
 website is a huge improvement but the embedded one seems to create too many 
 weird problems.  
 
 I think we have to avoid to much mission creep or the guide will never get 
 done.  It might be best to to keep comparisons between the various different 
 back-ends to a reasonable minimum.  The work Dan has done seems to have 
 kick-started greater interest in work on Base generally.  A completed Guide 
 might draw more new people in.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Tue, 20/3/12, Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 From: Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net
 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Tuesday, 20 March, 2012, 4:50
 
 Mark,
 
 This is another problem with using HSQLDB as an example that I overlooked.
 It is cumbersome. And to be honest I would use a MySQL DB on localhost if
 I wanted to create a database. Although PHPmyAdmin is better, Base is more
 visual and seems to work well. Of course anyone with DB experience will want
 to use their preferred DB.
 
 And, there has been some discussion of losing much of the Java dependancies,
 especially since Sun and Oracle aren't in the picture any longer. So HSQLDB
 may someday be replaced with something like SQLite.
 
 
 Rick B
 
 --
 For every ailment under the sun
 There is a remedy, or there is none;
 If there be one, try to find it;
 If there be none, never mind it.
 
 --W.W. Bartley
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Stanton [mailto:m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk] 
 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:18 AM
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
 
 Particularly because it's the cause of so much trouble, I'd suggest it would
 be good not to focus on the native HSQLDB setup, though I agree it would
 be good to show it.
 
 I'd suggest using all sorts of example backends.  A Here's how you'd do x
 with the native HSQLDB and here's how you'd do it with 
 a.n.other engine.  A couple side-by-side like that, and then just vary
 engines in the examples.
 
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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-21 Thread Lailah

 suggesting that we essentially begin from scratch?
 No, but I am pointing out the differences the Base guide from the other 
 already published guides.
 
  The differences come in the viewpoint of the developers.
 Although I am a very good developer, I am here to be a technical writer.
 
  A plan for the Base Guide is similar to a plan for a database.
 I disagree. But we should continue this discussion as I would like to get 
 busy and write.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Rick B
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 Still in all, every night we does the tell, so that we 'member who we was and 
 where we came from... And we lights the city, not just for him, but for all 
 of them that are still out there. 'Cause we knows there come a night, when 
 they sees the distant light, and they'll be comin' home.
 
 -- Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:43 AM
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
 
 On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 23:46 -0700, Mail Dump wrote:
  Hi all,
  
   
  
  I know that I am the new guy here, but I have been thinking about a 
  Base guide for awhile now. The current layout looks vague to me and 
  doesn't seem to address the basic idea of a user guide; to show how to use 
  the software.
  Database concepts are not simple and we should focus on how to use 
  Base and leave tutorials and concepts for the appendices. With too 
  much basic (or
  remedial) instruction on design theory and such, we lose the attention 
  of users who know about databases at various levels. I don't think 
  this is how a guide should be written. Below you can see how we worked 
  out the Calc guide. It has minimal explanations of spreadsheet concepts and 
  design.
  
  I really don't see what the vague look of the Base outline is that you 
 mention, nor do I understand what you mean by basic idea of a user guide.
 What database concepts are not simple? What are you referring to when 
 mentioning tutorials?
  My problem centers around who is the Base Guide for? What is the 
 expected level of database knowledge of the user? How many of them have a 
 background in database theory? How many do not? How can we know the answer to 
 these questions? How do we write the guide to cover both groups without 
 seemingly too elementary for some and too difficult for others? (Some have 
 stated that an address book type database is as complex as the Base Guide 
 should get. Others have mentioned that even relational databases should be 
 kept as simple as possible using only the
 wizards.)
  To me, an outline is vague or clear depending upon how detailed the 
 outline is. I looked over your proposed outline, and to me it looks vague. 
 Why? Because I don't see the details of your outline. For that matter, Drew's 
 outline could use more details that would make it clearer.
  My perspective of Drew's outline: it compartmentalizes the discussion 
 into chapters. 
  Chapter 1 is an introduction. 
  Chapter 2 describes how to plan/design a database. (Considering some of 
 the posts to the user mailing list and personal experience, I question how 
 many people actually do this very well at all.) I consider this to be one of 
 the most important parts for creating a database: not needed for the expert 
 who takes the time to do the needed planning/designing every time; an 
 Absolute must for those who have not always done this or never have done it. 
 (Proper planning/designing reduces if not eliminates the GIGO [garbage in 
 garbage out] that can become part of a poorly designed database.)
  Chapter 3 looks at the details of tables, views, relationships, and 
 forms. If a person wants to know how to create, modify, or delete these, this 
 is where they should look.
  Chapter 4 discusses Queries and Reports. Again, anyone wanting to know 
 about any of these should look here.
  Other chapters are similar in nature: look in this chapter for 
 discussion on what you can do with the parts of Base mentioned here.
 
  Showing how to plan and design the database which is used as an 
  example throughout the guide is a very good idea.
  
  I disagree. This is not how a database should be created: plan and 
 design it as it is being created. It needs to first have a plan.
 Secondly, it needs to have a design based upon that plan. Then if a problem 
 comes up while creating the database, the plan and then design should be 
 adjusted before continuing with the creation of it.
  I see a pattern in Drew's outline for creating a database. First you 
 plan and design, Then you create the tables and the relationships between 
 them. Next you create most of the forms you will need (forms that contain 
 queries are created after them). Next, you create your reports. Now comes the 
 uses for the created database. Next, learn

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-20 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I think Dan's plan is a good one and it's very ambitious.  it's good to have 
input from new people but would it be possible to complete the 1st Base Guide 
according to Dan's plan first.  After that would be the ideal time to discuss 
restructuring it and perhaps add in an Advanced guide.  

From discussions on the Users List it seems there is a gap in the market for  
an extremely simplistic and single purpose guide to help people create a 
contacts database and/or read a Thunderbird one.  I think linking to an 
Evolution/Outlook one would make it too complex.

I agree that the Base Guide that Dan has planned needs to avoid using the 
embedded back-end.  When we first discussed the plan for the Base Guide most of 
us didn't realise quite how appalling the embedded one is.  Using HSqlDb as an 
external back-end after downloading the proper HSqlDb from their website is a 
huge improvement but the embedded one seems to create too many weird problems.  

I think we have to avoid to much mission creep or the guide will never get 
done.  It might be best to to keep comparisons between the various different 
back-ends to a reasonable minimum.  The work Dan has done seems to have 
kick-started greater interest in work on Base generally.  A completed Guide 
might draw more new people in.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 20/3/12, Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Mail Dump mail.d...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 20 March, 2012, 4:50

Mark,

This is another problem with using HSQLDB as an example that I overlooked.
It is cumbersome. And to be honest I would use a MySQL DB on localhost if
I wanted to create a database. Although PHPmyAdmin is better, Base is more
visual and seems to work well. Of course anyone with DB experience will want
to use their preferred DB.

And, there has been some discussion of losing much of the Java dependancies,
especially since Sun and Oracle aren't in the picture any longer. So HSQLDB
may someday be replaced with something like SQLite.


Rick B

--
For every ailment under the sun
There is a remedy, or there is none;
If there be one, try to find it;
If there be none, never mind it.

--W.W. Bartley



-Original Message-
From: Mark Stanton [mailto:m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:18 AM
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

Particularly because it's the cause of so much trouble, I'd suggest it would
be good not to focus on the native HSQLDB setup, though I agree it would
be good to show it.

I'd suggest using all sorts of example backends.  A Here's how you'd do x
with the native HSQLDB and here's how you'd do it with 
a.n.other engine.  A couple side-by-side like that, and then just vary
engines in the examples.

Mark Stanton
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-19 Thread Dan Lewis

On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 23:46 -0700, Mail Dump wrote:
 Hi all,
 
  
 
 I know that I am the new guy here, but I have been thinking about a Base
 guide for awhile now. The current layout looks vague to me and doesn't seem
 to address the basic idea of a user guide; to show how to use the software.
 Database concepts are not simple and we should focus on how to use Base and
 leave tutorials and concepts for the appendices. With too much basic (or
 remedial) instruction on design theory and such, we lose the attention of
 users who know about databases at various levels. I don't think this is how
 a guide should be written. Below you can see how we worked out the Calc
 guide. It has minimal explanations of spreadsheet concepts and design.
 
 I really don't see what the vague look of the Base outline is that
you mention, nor do I understand what you mean by basic idea of a user
guide.
What database concepts are not simple? What are you referring to when
mentioning tutorials?
 My problem centers around who is the Base Guide for? What is the
expected level of database knowledge of the user? How many of them have
a background in database theory? How many do not? How can we know the
answer to these questions? How do we write the guide to cover both
groups without seemingly too elementary for some and too difficult for
others? (Some have stated that an address book type database is as
complex as the Base Guide should get. Others have mentioned that even
relational databases should be kept as simple as possible using only the
wizards.)
 To me, an outline is vague or clear depending upon how detailed the
outline is. I looked over your proposed outline, and to me it looks
vague. Why? Because I don't see the details of your outline. For that
matter, Drew's outline could use more details that would make it
clearer.
 My perspective of Drew's outline: it compartmentalizes the
discussion into chapters. 
 Chapter 1 is an introduction. 
 Chapter 2 describes how to plan/design a database. (Considering
some of the posts to the user mailing list and personal experience, I
question how many people actually do this very well at all.) I consider
this to be one of the most important parts for creating a database: not
needed for the expert who takes the time to do the needed
planning/designing every time; an Absolute must for those who have not
always done this or never have done it. (Proper planning/designing
reduces if not eliminates the GIGO [garbage in garbage out] that can
become part of a poorly designed database.)
 Chapter 3 looks at the details of tables, views, relationships, and
forms. If a person wants to know how to create, modify, or delete these,
this is where they should look.
 Chapter 4 discusses Queries and Reports. Again, anyone wanting to
know about any of these should look here.
 Other chapters are similar in nature: look in this chapter for
discussion on what you can do with the parts of Base mentioned here.

 Showing how to plan and design the database which is used as an example
 throughout the guide is a very good idea.
 
 I disagree. This is not how a database should be created: plan and
design it as it is being created. It needs to first have a plan.
Secondly, it needs to have a design based upon that plan. Then if a
problem comes up while creating the database, the plan and then design
should be adjusted before continuing with the creation of it.
 I see a pattern in Drew's outline for creating a database. First
you plan and design, Then you create the tables and the relationships
between them. Next you create most of the forms you will need (forms
that contain queries are created after them). Next, you create your
reports. Now comes the uses for the created database. Next, learn how to
customize the database. Finally comes the most complex (accessing Base
database document files with embedded databases using the HSQLDB as well
as using Base as the front-end to databases created by other programs
(Access, MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, etc.).

 I have included my ideas (Proposed TOC) at the bottom just below the current
 layout.
 
 So, are you suggesting that we essentially begin from scratch? That
the outline we have presently can not be modified in terms of the
details in the outline to make it better? Perhaps a rearrangement of a
chapter? (Specifically, using Base as a front-end might need to be moved
to chapter 5.)
 A plan for the Base Guide is similar to a plan for a database.
There are very often many ways to do the same thing. The differences
come in the viewpoint of the developers. Which one is better, yours or
Drew's? Likely the differences is also a matter of Drew's and your
viewpoints. But most importantly, the details of either outline must be
considered.

BIG SNIP
 
 Proposed TOC
 
 Chapter 1 - Introducing Base
 
 Obvious, but omit the tutorial on database concepts and stick to the working
 environment. This should be in an appendix.
 
 Chapter

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-19 Thread Dan Lewis

 Additional comment: I have added a new topic to discuss this on my
dashboard in Alfresco. Discussion is welcome there. I have also uploaded
my copy of Drew's outline to the Discussion Library for anyone who needs
one to join the discussion. I would like to see the details of the
proposed TOC.

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-19 Thread Mark Stanton

Particularly because it's the cause of so much trouble, I'd suggest 
it would be good not to focus on the native HSQLDB setup, though I 
agree it would be good to show it.

I'd suggest using all sorts of example backends.  A Here's how you'd 
do x with the native HSQLDB and here's how you'd do it with 
a.n.other engine.  A couple side-by-side like that, and then just 
vary engines in the examples.

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RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-19 Thread Mail Dump

To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 23:46 -0700, Mail Dump wrote:
 Hi all,

 I know that I am the new guy here, but I have been thinking about a 
 Base guide for awhile now. The current layout looks vague to me and 
 doesn't seem to address the basic idea of a user guide; to show how to use 
 the software.
 Database concepts are not simple and we should focus on how to use 
 Base and leave tutorials and concepts for the appendices. With too 
 much basic (or
 remedial) instruction on design theory and such, we lose the attention 
 of users who know about databases at various levels. I don't think 
 this is how a guide should be written. Below you can see how we worked 
 out the Calc guide. It has minimal explanations of spreadsheet concepts and 
 design.

 I really don't see what the vague look of the Base outline is that you 
mention, nor do I understand what you mean by basic idea of a user guide.
What database concepts are not simple? What are you referring to when 
mentioning tutorials?
 My problem centers around who is the Base Guide for? What is the expected 
level of database knowledge of the user? How many of them have a background in 
database theory? How many do not? How can we know the answer to these 
questions? How do we write the guide to cover both groups without seemingly too 
elementary for some and too difficult for others? (Some have stated that an 
address book type database is as complex as the Base Guide should get. Others 
have mentioned that even relational databases should be kept as simple as 
possible using only the
wizards.)
 To me, an outline is vague or clear depending upon how detailed the 
outline is. I looked over your proposed outline, and to me it looks vague. Why? 
Because I don't see the details of your outline. For that matter, Drew's 
outline could use more details that would make it clearer.
 My perspective of Drew's outline: it compartmentalizes the discussion into 
chapters. 
 Chapter 1 is an introduction. 
 Chapter 2 describes how to plan/design a database. (Considering some of 
the posts to the user mailing list and personal experience, I question how many 
people actually do this very well at all.) I consider this to be one of the 
most important parts for creating a database: not needed for the expert who 
takes the time to do the needed planning/designing every time; an Absolute must 
for those who have not always done this or never have done it. (Proper 
planning/designing reduces if not eliminates the GIGO [garbage in garbage out] 
that can become part of a poorly designed database.)
 Chapter 3 looks at the details of tables, views, relationships, and forms. 
If a person wants to know how to create, modify, or delete these, this is where 
they should look.
 Chapter 4 discusses Queries and Reports. Again, anyone wanting to know 
about any of these should look here.
 Other chapters are similar in nature: look in this chapter for discussion 
on what you can do with the parts of Base mentioned here.

 Showing how to plan and design the database which is used as an 
 example throughout the guide is a very good idea.

 I disagree. This is not how a database should be created: plan and design 
it as it is being created. It needs to first have a plan.
Secondly, it needs to have a design based upon that plan. Then if a problem 
comes up while creating the database, the plan and then design should be 
adjusted before continuing with the creation of it.
 I see a pattern in Drew's outline for creating a database. First you plan 
and design, Then you create the tables and the relationships between them. Next 
you create most of the forms you will need (forms that contain queries are 
created after them). Next, you create your reports. Now comes the uses for the 
created database. Next, learn how to customize the database. Finally comes the 
most complex (accessing Base database document files with embedded databases 
using the HSQLDB as well as using Base as the front-end to databases created by 
other programs (Access, MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, etc.).

 I have included my ideas (Proposed TOC) at the bottom just below the 
 current layout.

 So, are you suggesting that we essentially begin from scratch? That the 
outline we have presently can not be modified in terms of the details in the 
outline to make it better? Perhaps a rearrangement of a chapter? (Specifically, 
using Base as a front-end might need to be moved to chapter 5.)
 A plan for the Base Guide is similar to a plan for a database.
There are very often many ways to do the same thing. The differences come in 
the viewpoint of the developers. Which one is better, yours or Drew's? Likely 
the differences is also a matter of Drew's and your viewpoints. But most 
importantly, the details of either outline must be considered.

BIG SNIP

 Proposed TOC

 Chapter 1

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

2012-03-19 Thread Mail Dump

Mark,

This is another problem with using HSQLDB as an example that I overlooked.
It is cumbersome. And to be honest I would use a MySQL DB on localhost if
I wanted to create a database. Although PHPmyAdmin is better, Base is more
visual and seems to work well. Of course anyone with DB experience will want
to use their preferred DB.

And, there has been some discussion of losing much of the Java dependancies,
especially since Sun and Oracle aren't in the picture any longer. So HSQLDB
may someday be replaced with something like SQLite.


Rick B

--
For every ailment under the sun
There is a remedy, or there is none;
If there be one, try to find it;
If there be none, never mind it.

--W.W. Bartley



-Original Message-
From: Mark Stanton [mailto:m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:18 AM
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base guide structure (TOC)

Particularly because it's the cause of so much trouble, I'd suggest it would
be good not to focus on the native HSQLDB setup, though I agree it would
be good to show it.

I'd suggest using all sorts of example backends.  A Here's how you'd do x
with the native HSQLDB and here's how you'd do it with 
a.n.other engine.  A couple side-by-side like that, and then just vary
engines in the examples.

Mark Stanton
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 2: Planning and designing your database.

2012-02-22 Thread Tom Davies

Hazel
You star!  
Thanks :)  

Oh and Dan too i guess ;) 
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Tue, 21/2/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 2: Planning and 
designing your database.
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org 
documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 21 February, 2012, 21:12

On 22/02/2012, at 3:34, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I have uploaded a proofed version of this into the feedback folder. The 
 version in Drafts is still locked - there doesn't seem to be an action for 
 unlocking it.
 


The working copy (not the original) in Drafts should have a suitable action 
(which unlocks the original and removes the working copy), but it's probably 
best to leave it locked so people don't use it by mistake. Dan, among others, 
should have the authority to remove outdated files. 

Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 2: Planning and designing your database.

2012-02-21 Thread Jean Weber

On 22/02/2012, at 3:34, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I have uploaded a proofed version of this into the feedback folder. The 
 version in Drafts is still locked - there doesn't seem to be an action for 
 unlocking it.
 


The working copy (not the original) in Drafts should have a suitable action 
(which unlocks the original and removes the working copy), but it's probably 
best to leave it locked so people don't use it by mistake. Dan, among others, 
should have the authority to remove outdated files. 

Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I like the sound of both ideas for the watermark and/or for the discrete 
mention in a header.  Either way sounds good to me but there is something 
sexier about a watermark.  

I think the Getting Started guide's chapter on Base should stay as is because 
at least there is something there even if it's not perfect.  I'm happy with 
other ideas about that tho especially because i have no idea what is in the 
newer version.  

Mostly i was just interested in getting the material up in the Base Guide 
because it contains stuff we don't have available elsewhere.  

Adding new stuff to the wiki shows people that work is being done and shows 
that you are getting results.  This is more important with Base because it 
would be a bit of a morale boost to people working on other aspects of Base, 
such as the devs.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 12/1/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 12 January, 2012, 4:13

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 13:47, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 11:56 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 12/01/2012, at 8:44, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
  On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Hi Dan :)
  Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
  incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
  Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website.
 
  I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
  suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
  clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
  I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from 
  people who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished 
  documents. They get passed around from one user to another and not 
  everyone realises there might be a more up to date version or where to 
  get it. Of course, some of our finished docs are a bit rougher than 
  we'd prefer, but that's a separate problem.
 
  Jean
 
      Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
  watermark? Just a thought.
      Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
  modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
      I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
  will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
 
  --Dan
 


 Yes, and I'm thinking that this would be a very good thing to do. Put it in 
 the header or footer, not as a watermark as such, much as I did for the 
 Free eBook Edition notice on some of the OOo PDFs. That way it's obvious 
 but doesn't interfere with the text, and it's quick and easy to remove when 
 we declare the document final.

 Jean

     Here is what I have done: I have made two graphics containing the
 word Draft. I made the larger graphic the background for the Chapter
 page which shows Draft 2 cm in height at the bottom of the page.
 (Selected position instead of Tiled or Area, and then selected the
 bottom center position.) I made the smaller graphic the background for
 the OOoFooter adding tab spaces in the footer to increase the number of
 lines so that the word Draft appears in the center of all the footers. I
 the created a header and modified it in a similar way. So, every page of
 the text had the word Draft at the top and bottom.
    To undo all of this takes only a few steps.
 1) Remove the background for the title page (OOoFirst Page).
 2) Remove the background for the footer style (OOoFooter).
 3) Remove the extra tab spaces so that the footer contains only one
 line.
 4) Remove the header in the OOoPage style.

     One more question: where should these draft chapter be placed so
 they will be available without having to have sign into ODFAuthor?

 --Dan


People do not have to sign into ODFAuthors to *download* docs, IF
those docs have a State of Externally visible (probably the folder
hierarchy needs to be Externally visible too). They only need to
sign in to upload docs, or to see items with other States.

That said, it might be preferable to put them on the LO wiki, though
I'm not sure what might be the best page to put them on. Some thoughts
follow.

For the Base Guide, it would be easy enough (and, I think, clear
enough) to put them on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications (as Tom
suggested), but change the chapter names in the LibreOffice Base Guide
section to read, for example, 2 Name of Chapter -- DRAFT (and
include only the ODT?).

The GS with Base chapter is a bit messier, since v3.4 goes into a
second column for that book, and so DRAFT would need to go into that
column... which doesn't fit the layout as well

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Dan Lewis

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 13:46 +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I like the sound of both ideas for the watermark and/or for the discrete 
 mention in a header.  Either way sounds good to me but there is something 
 sexier about a watermark.  
 
 I think the Getting Started guide's chapter on Base should stay as is because 
 at least there is something there even if it's not perfect.  I'm happy with 
 other ideas about that tho especially because i have no idea what is in the 
 newer version.  
 
 Mostly i was just interested in getting the material up in the Base Guide 
 because it contains stuff we don't have available elsewhere.  
 
 Adding new stuff to the wiki shows people that work is being done and shows 
 that you are getting results.  This is more important with Base because it 
 would be a bit of a morale boost to people working on other aspects of Base, 
 such as the devs.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)

 The Getting Started with Base chapter has already been published,
so it is already listed on the wiki with the Getting Started Guide.
There are changes that need to be made in the Report section, but they
can wait for a little while.
Introducing Base has also been published. It is listed just above
the list of Base chapters as a separate chapter.
 Planning/Designing your Database is nearing completion for LO. I
can upload this draft later today.
 Chapters 3 and 4 are only in draft form for OOo. They need some
modifications before being listed on the wiki.
 All of these chapters for OOo are on ODFAuthors in the Base Guide
folders. Time to change their visibility status and their folders'
visibility status.

--Dan

 --- On Thu, 12/1/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 12 January, 2012, 4:13
 
 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 13:47, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 11:56 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
  On 12/01/2012, at 8:44, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
   On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
  
   Hi Dan :)
   Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
   incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
   Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?
   Regards from
   Tom :)
  
  
   Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website.
  
   I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
   suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
   clearly marked as DRAFTs.
  
   I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from 
   people who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished 
   documents. They get passed around from one user to another and not 
   everyone realises there might be a more up to date version or where to 
   get it. Of course, some of our finished docs are a bit rougher than 
   we'd prefer, but that's a separate problem.
  
   Jean
  
   Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
   watermark? Just a thought.
   Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
   modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
   I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
   will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
  
   --Dan
  
 
 
  Yes, and I'm thinking that this would be a very good thing to do. Put it 
  in the header or footer, not as a watermark as such, much as I did for 
  the Free eBook Edition notice on some of the OOo PDFs. That way it's 
  obvious but doesn't interfere with the text, and it's quick and easy to 
  remove when we declare the document final.
 
  Jean
 
  Here is what I have done: I have made two graphics containing the
  word Draft. I made the larger graphic the background for the Chapter
  page which shows Draft 2 cm in height at the bottom of the page.
  (Selected position instead of Tiled or Area, and then selected the
  bottom center position.) I made the smaller graphic the background for
  the OOoFooter adding tab spaces in the footer to increase the number of
  lines so that the word Draft appears in the center of all the footers. I
  the created a header and modified it in a similar way. So, every page of
  the text had the word Draft at the top and bottom.
 To undo all of this takes only a few steps.
  1) Remove the background for the title page (OOoFirst Page).
  2) Remove the background for the footer style (OOoFooter).
  3) Remove the extra tab spaces so that the footer contains only one
  line.
  4) Remove the header in the OOoPage style.
 
  One more question: where should these draft chapter be placed so
  they will be available without having to have sign into ODFAuthor?
 
  --Dan
 
 
 People do

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hello Dan,
 
  The Getting Started with Base chapter has already been published,
 so it is already listed on the wiki with the Getting Started Guide.
 There are changes that need to be made in the Report section, but they
 can wait for a little while.
 Introducing Base has also been published. It is listed just above
 the list of Base chapters as a separate chapter.
  Planning/Designing your Database is nearing completion for LO. I
 can upload this draft later today.
  Chapters 3 and 4 are only in draft form for OOo. They need some
 modifications before being listed on the wiki.
  All of these chapters for OOo are on ODFAuthors in the Base Guide
 folders. Time to change their visibility status and their folders'
 visibility status.

There is published Introducing Base, also planned 3 other chapters. Is
there any structure of the whole planed Base Guide available?

You know I'm writing a Base Guide in German. After the collection of
many ideas I have planned the structure from the first to the last
chapter. Then I was writing down my ideas for some of the chapters.

When I'm reading chapter 2 is nearly complete it's too late for help
from other people. Could be we are writing the same in English and in
German at the same time.

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Dan Lewis

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 16:54 +0100, Robert Großkopf wrote:
 Hello Dan,
  
   The Getting Started with Base chapter has already been published,
  so it is already listed on the wiki with the Getting Started Guide.
  There are changes that need to be made in the Report section, but they
  can wait for a little while.
  Introducing Base has also been published. It is listed just above
  the list of Base chapters as a separate chapter.
   Planning/Designing your Database is nearing completion for LO. I
  can upload this draft later today.
   Chapters 3 and 4 are only in draft form for OOo. They need some
  modifications before being listed on the wiki.
   All of these chapters for OOo are on ODFAuthors in the Base Guide
  folders. Time to change their visibility status and their folders'
  visibility status.
 
 There is published Introducing Base, also planned 3 other chapters. Is
 there any structure of the whole planed Base Guide available?
 
 You know I'm writing a Base Guide in German. After the collection of
 many ideas I have planned the structure from the first to the last
 chapter. Then I was writing down my ideas for some of the chapters.
 
 When I'm reading chapter 2 is nearly complete it's too late for help
 from other people. Could be we are writing the same in English and in
 German at the same time.
 
 Robert
 
 Yes, there is a Base outline that Drew wrote. I have attached it to
this email. Perhaps this might clear things up a little bit. (Since the
list strips attachments, I have also CC'd you so you would receive it.

--Dan





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Lailah


I think yes.  Is better little documentation than no documentation at
all.


Regards
Sylvia


El mié, 11-01-2012 a las 12:13 +, Tom Davies escribió:

 Hi Dan :)
 Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those incomplete 
 chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Cc: andy arnold andy.arn...@gmx.com
 Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 1:20
 
 On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 14:58 +, andy arnold wrote:
  Hi
  I have been working through the base guide over Christmas for a database 
  management course for uni but I cannot find the pages where I got the 
  first five chapters, or the guide in full. Please can I ask if I have 
  missed something obvious or is it being produced (soon to be published), 
  if I could have a copy to work through I would be very grateful and I 
  could also proof read it at the same time if it is not published yet? It 
  is just it was easier to follow than the handouts from the lecturer.
  Thanks very much for your time and trouble
  
 
The chapters of the Base Guide that are fairly complete as of right
 now are the following that you can find if you search the internet for
 them:
 Getting Started with Base (ch 8 of the Getting Started Guide), and
 Introducing Base (ch 1 of the Base Guide).
 There were perhaps three other chapters as well on a server, but we
 are having problems with it right now. I have these three chapters as
 written for OpenOffice.org, but I am doing some extensive rewriting of
 them for both OOo and LibreOffice.
  These are
 Planning/Designing your Database (220K),
 Data Input and Removal (2.1M), and
 Data Output (900K).
  I'm not sure how much good these would do you. I can email this to
 you if that would help.
 
 --Dan
 
  
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
At the moment there seems to be an almost complete lack of anything about Base 
and apparently it's a nightmare to even try to start writing for it.  

It would be great if you 2 could collaborate but if we end up with 2 very 
different guides that would not necessarily be a bad thing.  It is fantastic 
that you guys are working on this!
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 12/1/12, Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote:

 From: Robert Großkopf rob...@familiegrosskopf.de
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 12 January, 2012, 15:54
 Hello Dan,
  
       The Getting Started with Base
 chapter has already been published,
  so it is already listed on the wiki with the Getting
 Started Guide.
  There are changes that need to be made in the Report
 section, but they
  can wait for a little while.
      Introducing Base has also
 been published. It is listed just above
  the list of Base chapters as a separate chapter.
       Planning/Designing your Database
 is nearing completion for LO. I
  can upload this draft later today.
       Chapters 3 and 4 are only in draft
 form for OOo. They need some
  modifications before being listed on the wiki.
       All of these chapters for OOo are
 on ODFAuthors in the Base Guide
  folders. Time to change their visibility status and
 their folders'
  visibility status.
 
 There is published Introducing Base, also planned 3 other
 chapters. Is
 there any structure of the whole planed Base Guide
 available?
 
 You know I'm writing a Base Guide in German. After the
 collection of
 many ideas I have planned the structure from the first to
 the last
 chapter. Then I was writing down my ideas for some of the
 chapters.
 
 When I'm reading chapter 2 is nearly complete it's too
 late for help
 from other people. Could be we are writing the same in
 English and in
 German at the same time.
 
 Robert
 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Attachments don't reach the list.  You can use Nabble to upload attachments.  
The attachment in this case should have reached the person that asked for it so 
it's all ok.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-12 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hello Dan,

  Yes, there is a Base outline that Drew wrote. I have attached it to
 this email. Perhaps this might clear things up a little bit. (Since the
 list strips attachments, I have also CC'd you so you would receive it.

I have got it with your private mail. Will have a look on it later.

Robert

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
The guides usually get uploaded to here first
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide
and then uploaded to 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

The 1st link is the most useful one as it also leads to 3rd party 
documentation.  There is an old page
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Base
but i don't think it has sub-pages or anything really useful that isn't already 
in any of the guides in the first link.  

OpenOffice forums might be worth exploring and/or the Users List but i think 
the OOo is the main place that has a co-ordinating with each other about Base.  
TDF has rejected the idea of having a mailing-list dedicated to Base to gather 
people together.  So, cross-discipline growth only happens at OOo whereas each 
person working on Base in LibreOffice is pretty isolated from anyone else 
working on it.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: andy arnold andy.arn...@gmx.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 1:20

On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 14:58 +, andy arnold wrote:
 Hi
 I have been working through the base guide over Christmas for a database 
 management course for uni but I cannot find the pages where I got the 
 first five chapters, or the guide in full. Please can I ask if I have 
 missed something obvious or is it being produced (soon to be published), 
 if I could have a copy to work through I would be very grateful and I 
 could also proof read it at the same time if it is not published yet? It 
 is just it was easier to follow than the handouts from the lecturer.
 Thanks very much for your time and trouble
 

   The chapters of the Base Guide that are fairly complete as of right
now are the following that you can find if you search the internet for
them:
Getting Started with Base (ch 8 of the Getting Started Guide), and
Introducing Base (ch 1 of the Base Guide).
    There were perhaps three other chapters as well on a server, but we
are having problems with it right now. I have these three chapters as
written for OpenOffice.org, but I am doing some extensive rewriting of
them for both OOo and LibreOffice.
     These are
Planning/Designing your Database (220K),
Data Input and Removal (2.1M), and
Data Output (900K).
     I'm not sure how much good these would do you. I can email this to
you if that would help.

--Dan

     


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Tom Davies

Hi Dan :)
Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those incomplete 
chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: andy arnold andy.arn...@gmx.com
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 1:20

On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 14:58 +, andy arnold wrote:
 Hi
 I have been working through the base guide over Christmas for a database 
 management course for uni but I cannot find the pages where I got the 
 first five chapters, or the guide in full. Please can I ask if I have 
 missed something obvious or is it being produced (soon to be published), 
 if I could have a copy to work through I would be very grateful and I 
 could also proof read it at the same time if it is not published yet? It 
 is just it was easier to follow than the handouts from the lecturer.
 Thanks very much for your time and trouble
 

   The chapters of the Base Guide that are fairly complete as of right
now are the following that you can find if you search the internet for
them:
Getting Started with Base (ch 8 of the Getting Started Guide), and
Introducing Base (ch 1 of the Base Guide).
    There were perhaps three other chapters as well on a server, but we
are having problems with it right now. I have these three chapters as
written for OpenOffice.org, but I am doing some extensive rewriting of
them for both OOo and LibreOffice.
     These are
Planning/Designing your Database (220K),
Data Input and Removal (2.1M), and
Data Output (900K).
     I'm not sure how much good these would do you. I can email this to
you if that would help.

--Dan

     


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Jean Weber

On 11/01/2012, at 22:09, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 The guides usually get uploaded to here first
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide
 and then uploaded to 
 http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/


Slight correction: the links in  the second URL simply point to the documents 
stored on the wiki. Adding the links to the website page does sometimes come 
later than adding the docs to the wiki. And as noted below, the wiki contains 
other docs as well.

 
 The 1st link is the most useful one as it also leads to 3rd party 
 documentation.  There is an old page
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Base
 but i don't think it has sub-pages or anything really useful that isn't 
 already in any of the guides in the first link.  
 
 OpenOffice forums might be worth exploring and/or the Users List but i think 
 the OOo is the main place that has a co-ordinating with each other about 
 Base.  TDF has rejected the idea of having a mailing-list dedicated to Base 
 to gather people together.  So, cross-discipline growth only happens at OOo 
 whereas each person working on Base in LibreOffice is pretty isolated from 
 anyone else working on it.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Cc: andy arnold andy.arn...@gmx.com
 Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 1:20
 
 On Tue, 2012-01-10 at 14:58 +, andy arnold wrote:
 Hi
 I have been working through the base guide over Christmas for a database 
 management course for uni but I cannot find the pages where I got the 
 first five chapters, or the guide in full. Please can I ask if I have 
 missed something obvious or is it being produced (soon to be published), 
 if I could have a copy to work through I would be very grateful and I 
 could also proof read it at the same time if it is not published yet? It 
 is just it was easier to follow than the handouts from the lecturer.
 Thanks very much for your time and trouble
 
 
The chapters of the Base Guide that are fairly complete as of right
 now are the following that you can find if you search the internet for
 them:
 Getting Started with Base (ch 8 of the Getting Started Guide), and
 Introducing Base (ch 1 of the Base Guide).
 There were perhaps three other chapters as well on a server, but we
 are having problems with it right now. I have these three chapters as
 written for OpenOffice.org, but I am doing some extensive rewriting of
 them for both OOo and LibreOffice.
  These are
 Planning/Designing your Database (220K),
 Data Input and Removal (2.1M), and
 Data Output (900K).
  I'm not sure how much good these would do you. I can email this to
 you if that would help.
 
 --Dan
 

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Jean Weber

On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Dan :)
 Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those incomplete 
 chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)


Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 

I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I suggest 
not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless clearly marked 
as DRAFTs.

I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people who 
get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. They get 
passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises there might be 
a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, some of our finished 
docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's a separate problem. 

Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Lewis

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Hi Dan :)
  Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
  incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 
 
 I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
 suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
 clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
 I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people 
 who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. They 
 get passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises there 
 might be a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, some of our 
 finished docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's a separate 
 problem. 
 
 Jean

 Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
watermark? Just a thought.
 Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
 I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).

--Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I think there is a lot less to worry about wrt branding now that it's Apache 
running OOo and also because LO has already become so widely known.  Now it's 
just a matter of cosmetics and image, especially if it's only temporary.  Ok, 
image is important but it's not everything.  

I quite like the way the Brazilian team handle their wiki
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Tradução
It's not been relevant before but i could do the same for the Base table?
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:44

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Hi Dan :)
  Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
  incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 
 
 I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
 suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
 clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
 I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people 
 who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. They 
 get passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises there 
 might be a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, some of our 
 finished docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's a separate 
 problem. 
 
 Jean

     Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
watermark? Just a thought.
     Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
     I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).

--Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Jean Weber

Tom,
In some cases, there are actual differences between the two products (LO and 
OOo), so it's more than just branding and cosmetics. For example, LO includes 
an extension for Base reports, which makes the default or typical behaviour of 
the two products different. We've been discussing this, though perhaps it's 
been on the ODFAuthors list. There may be other differences as well. That is, 
I'm sure, what Dan is referring to. 

Jean

On 12/01/2012, at 9:04, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I think there is a lot less to worry about wrt branding now that it's Apache 
 running OOo and also because LO has already become so widely known.  Now it's 
 just a matter of cosmetics and image, especially if it's only temporary.  
 Ok, image is important but it's not everything.  
 
 I quite like the way the Brazilian team handle their wiki
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/pt-br/Tradução
 It's not been relevant before but i could do the same for the Base table?
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide
 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:44
 
 On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Dan :)
 Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
 incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 
 
 I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
 suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
 clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
 I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people 
 who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. They 
 get passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises there 
 might be a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, some of 
 our finished docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's a 
 separate problem. 
 
 Jean
 
  Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
 watermark? Just a thought.
  Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
 modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
  I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
 will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
 
 --Dan
 

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Jean Weber

On 12/01/2012, at 8:44, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hi Dan :)
 Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
 incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 
 
 I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
 suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
 clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
 I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people 
 who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. They 
 get passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises there 
 might be a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, some of 
 our finished docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's a 
 separate problem. 
 
 Jean
 
 Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
 watermark? Just a thought.
 Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
 modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
 I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
 will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
 
 --Dan
 


Yes, and I'm thinking that this would be a very good thing to do. Put it in the 
header or footer, not as a watermark as such, much as I did for the Free 
eBook Edition notice on some of the OOo PDFs. That way it's obvious but 
doesn't interfere with the text, and it's quick and easy to remove when we 
declare the document final.

Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Lewis

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 11:56 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 12/01/2012, at 8:44, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
  On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
  
  Hi Dan :)
  Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
  incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?  
  Regards from
  Tom :)
  
  
  Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website. 
  
  I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
  suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
  clearly marked as DRAFTs.
  
  I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from people 
  who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished documents. 
  They get passed around from one user to another and not everyone realises 
  there might be a more up to date version or where to get it. Of course, 
  some of our finished docs are a bit rougher than we'd prefer, but that's 
  a separate problem. 
  
  Jean
  
  Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
  watermark? Just a thought.
  Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
  modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
  I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
  will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
  
  --Dan
  
 
 
 Yes, and I'm thinking that this would be a very good thing to do. Put it in 
 the header or footer, not as a watermark as such, much as I did for the 
 Free eBook Edition notice on some of the OOo PDFs. That way it's obvious 
 but doesn't interfere with the text, and it's quick and easy to remove when 
 we declare the document final.
 
 Jean

 Here is what I have done: I have made two graphics containing the
word Draft. I made the larger graphic the background for the Chapter
page which shows Draft 2 cm in height at the bottom of the page.
(Selected position instead of Tiled or Area, and then selected the
bottom center position.) I made the smaller graphic the background for
the OOoFooter adding tab spaces in the footer to increase the number of
lines so that the word Draft appears in the center of all the footers. I
the created a header and modified it in a similar way. So, every page of
the text had the word Draft at the top and bottom.
To undo all of this takes only a few steps. 
1) Remove the background for the title page (OOoFirst Page).
2) Remove the background for the footer style (OOoFooter).
3) Remove the extra tab spaces so that the footer contains only one
line.
4) Remove the header in the OOoPage style.

 One more question: where should these draft chapter be placed so
they will be available without having to have sign into ODFAuthor?

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2012-01-11 Thread Jean Weber

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 13:47, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 11:56 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 On 12/01/2012, at 8:44, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 06:47 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
  On 11/01/2012, at 22:13, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Hi Dan :)
  Normally we wouldn't do this but would it be good to upload those 
  incomplete chapters or works-in-progress to the wiki?
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
  Updates could always be uploaded to replace them later?
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
  Could also (or instead) put them on the ODFAuthors website.
 
  I have no objection to putting the Base Guide drafts on the wiki, but I 
  suggest not on the same page as the officially published docs -- unless 
  clearly marked as DRAFTs.
 
  I've seen a lot of confusion (and accusations of poor quality) from 
  people who get hold of user guide drafts thinking they are finished 
  documents. They get passed around from one user to another and not 
  everyone realises there might be a more up to date version or where to 
  get it. Of course, some of our finished docs are a bit rougher than 
  we'd prefer, but that's a separate problem.
 
  Jean
 
      Then again the drafts can be clearly marked as drafts using a
  watermark? Just a thought.
      Then again, chapters 2-4 are written for OOo and need some
  modifications before they will be ready for LO use.
      I going to think about this during the evening and annouce what I
  will be doing in the morning (by 1400 UTC).
 
  --Dan
 


 Yes, and I'm thinking that this would be a very good thing to do. Put it in 
 the header or footer, not as a watermark as such, much as I did for the 
 Free eBook Edition notice on some of the OOo PDFs. That way it's obvious 
 but doesn't interfere with the text, and it's quick and easy to remove when 
 we declare the document final.

 Jean

     Here is what I have done: I have made two graphics containing the
 word Draft. I made the larger graphic the background for the Chapter
 page which shows Draft 2 cm in height at the bottom of the page.
 (Selected position instead of Tiled or Area, and then selected the
 bottom center position.) I made the smaller graphic the background for
 the OOoFooter adding tab spaces in the footer to increase the number of
 lines so that the word Draft appears in the center of all the footers. I
 the created a header and modified it in a similar way. So, every page of
 the text had the word Draft at the top and bottom.
    To undo all of this takes only a few steps.
 1) Remove the background for the title page (OOoFirst Page).
 2) Remove the background for the footer style (OOoFooter).
 3) Remove the extra tab spaces so that the footer contains only one
 line.
 4) Remove the header in the OOoPage style.

     One more question: where should these draft chapter be placed so
 they will be available without having to have sign into ODFAuthor?

 --Dan


People do not have to sign into ODFAuthors to *download* docs, IF
those docs have a State of Externally visible (probably the folder
hierarchy needs to be Externally visible too). They only need to
sign in to upload docs, or to see items with other States.

That said, it might be preferable to put them on the LO wiki, though
I'm not sure what might be the best page to put them on. Some thoughts
follow.

For the Base Guide, it would be easy enough (and, I think, clear
enough) to put them on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications (as Tom
suggested), but change the chapter names in the LibreOffice Base Guide
section to read, for example, 2 Name of Chapter -- DRAFT (and
include only the ODT?).

The GS with Base chapter is a bit messier, since v3.4 goes into a
second column for that book, and so DRAFT would need to go into that
column... which doesn't fit the layout as well. Minor detail! And I
like the idea of putting some of the other developed, but not
finished, chapters there as well.

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 1

2011-11-26 Thread David Nelson

Hi Dan, all,

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent work! It took a while, but I managed to go over all of
 your changes. (I also was changing the working in the OOo version of the
 chapter.)
     I uploaded the chapter to the proofing folder using Upload new
 version. I then tried to move the file to the Draft folder as per
 instructions. I can copy to the Draft but can not move the file back to
 it. (I don't understand why moving fails.) Anyway, I did the old fashion
 way: copy the file to Draft and remove it from the proofing folder. I
 also edited the Metadata so that the name of the file is Copy
 BG3401-Introducing Base. (I also tried to change the name in the
 Metadata to BG3401-Introducing Base, but it would not do that.

The way things are currently set-up on Alfresco is that English
documentation team contributors get added to the English group. That
group is currently set-up to be able to add and edit content, but not
to delete content. The idea behind this was to insure ourselves
against the (remote) possibility that someone ill-willed might decide
to zap all the content on the platform.

A small number of full system admins are supposed to help out with
content admin jobs not available to the English contributors group.

This is something that can be changed, of course. I initially set this
up on my own initiative with Jeff Potts because we (the English docs
team) was, at that time, very short (read totally bereft) of people
actually contributing regularly to docs work.

All ideas and comments about how to organize things are very welcome.

-- 
David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide copyright and contributors

2011-11-25 Thread Dan Lewis

On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 06:25 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 Two thoughts about the copyright page for the LO Base Guide:
 
 1) The OOo version of the existing chapters has not been published,
 and I understand that Dan Lewis is writing the LO version and OOo
 version in parallel. Therefore IMO the copyright page does not need
 the Acknowledgements section stating This chapter is based upon...
 with the list of contributors to the OOo chapter; all of those
 contributors should instead be listed in the Contributors section of
 both books and the Acks section removed.
 
 2) As this book is unpublished, IMO it is a new document and could
 be licensed under Apache and CC-BY-SA as I suggested in a previous
 note... as long as all contributors agree. I believe we can contact
 all of those contributors to get their agreement, if they don't spot
 this note and speak up on this list.
 
 What do others think? Dan, am I correct in item 1 about you writing
 the two books in parallel?
 
 --Jean
 

 I am writing the two versions in parallel. I am also getting help
in various parts from people from both groups. So I agree with both your
points. The only person that would need to be contacted is Zoltan. He
and Helen are the only ones who have contributed to the content.

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide copyright and contributors

2011-11-25 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Perhaps they could have brackets under their name like

Zoltan
(Apache)

or something like that if they are adamant about restricting themselves to just 
1 project?
Regards from
Tom :)



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From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide copyright and contributors
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 25 November, 2011, 21:53

On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 06:25 +1000, Jean Weber wrote:
 Two thoughts about the copyright page for the LO Base Guide:
 
 1) The OOo version of the existing chapters has not been published,
 and I understand that Dan Lewis is writing the LO version and OOo
 version in parallel. Therefore IMO the copyright page does not need
 the Acknowledgements section stating This chapter is based upon...
 with the list of contributors to the OOo chapter; all of those
 contributors should instead be listed in the Contributors section of
 both books and the Acks section removed.
 
 2) As this book is unpublished, IMO it is a new document and could
 be licensed under Apache and CC-BY-SA as I suggested in a previous
 note... as long as all contributors agree. I believe we can contact
 all of those contributors to get their agreement, if they don't spot
 this note and speak up on this list.
 
 What do others think? Dan, am I correct in item 1 about you writing
 the two books in parallel?
 
 --Jean
 

     I am writing the two versions in parallel. I am also getting help
in various parts from people from both groups. So I agree with both your
points. The only person that would need to be contacted is Zoltan. He
and Helen are the only ones who have contributed to the content.

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 1

2011-11-23 Thread Dan Lewis

On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 14:21 +, Hazel Russman wrote:
 I have finished and uploaded this. I've made a lot of minor changes to remove 
 repetition and make it flow better but I've tried not to change the sense.
 -- 
 Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com
 

 Excellent work! It took a while, but I managed to go over all of
your changes. (I also was changing the working in the OOo version of the
chapter.)
 I uploaded the chapter to the proofing folder using Upload new
version. I then tried to move the file to the Draft folder as per
instructions. I can copy to the Draft but can not move the file back to
it. (I don't understand why moving fails.) Anyway, I did the old fashion
way: copy the file to Draft and remove it from the proofing folder. I
also edited the Metadata so that the name of the file is Copy
BG3401-Introducing Base. (I also tried to change the name in the
Metadata to BG3401-Introducing Base, but it would not do that.

--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Chapter 1

2011-11-17 Thread David Nelson

Hi Hazel,

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Hazel Russman
hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I have finished and uploaded this. I've made a lot of minor changes to remove 
 repetition and make it flow better but I've tried not to change the sense.

OK, thanks for that. :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2011-11-07 Thread David Nelson

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
     I don't know what mailing list Drew is on right now, perhaps
 someone else knows. If so, please tell me.
     My question has to do with text and spreadsheet databases. Where
 should these be placed in the Base Guide? How much coverage should be
 given to these? These are questions that he would likely know.

Drew is definitely monitoring the US marketing list, but can also be
found on the Website list and Design list. Or you can always mail him
directly. Just mail me offline if you want his address.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

2011-08-02 Thread Tom Davies

Wow!!
I must have missed this!  Good work on the toughest app to write for :)
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)





From: John Cleland j...@john-cleland.co.uk
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 16 July, 2011 23:09:36
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide

Hi David/Jean

I have rebranded the existing base documents and renamed them according to the 
the conventions in the guide.  Can the existing open office ones be deleted.

Thanks


John
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