Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
Thanks again Tim, all my machines are fairly up to date so I'll give it a try. Charles Quoting Tim Allen : Hi Charles Tim, your idea greatly appeals to me as it seems to solve all problems and reduce complexity too. But please:- Has Virtualbox been around long enough to be proven reliable? Yes. On version 4 now. Maintained by Oracle. Widely used. Can all drives be formatted EXT4? Yes. Would I be able to read and write to non-EXT4 USB memory from any running OS? Yes. Can I load two Virtual boxes on a machine, one for XP and one for later version MS OS that I need to become familiar with? Yes. If all are YES, I would run all PCs on LinuxLTS with Virtualbox(s) and format all drives to EXT4. I advise you grab the latest Virtualbox off https://www.virtualbox.org. They have deb packages. Sounds like IT Heaven but what, if any, are the downsides? You need enough RAM to run both OS'es together, and enough CPU power. Given that most recent machines come with both that shouldn't be an issue. I'm using it on a 12 yr old machine Terry kindly gave me (4GB, couple of vintage Xeons). Hardware (eg USB peripherals) are passed through to the guest OS via Virtualbox drivers. I've had no problems with this with things like USB memory sticks, but with more obscure stuff (like microprocessor programming pods) have run into problems. Booting the guest OS can be quite slow - I've found this more noticeable with Linux guests than Windows guests. There are a few more upsides - notably being able to take snapshots of your virtual machines (for instance before installing a new piece of software). This allows you to easily roll back. Also, once you've loaded your guest OS onto one machine, you can then copy it to other machines without the whole reinstall palaver (licenses permitting of course). I've run W2k, XP and Vista as virtual machines with no problems. Cheers Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/13 18:05, andrew_bone...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: FWIW, my setup is as follows: I have a dual-boot machine, running Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.10. The Grub loader lets me switch between the two. About 10 years back, installing dual-boot Windows/Linux could be very problematic. I nuked one OS or the other during installation more times than I care to admit :) With more recent Linux distros though, it has become far more stable. Ubuntu does a nice job. I install Windows first, then Ubuntu. During Ubuntu installation, I can repartition my hard disk and setup ext3/ext4 or whatever. It also installs Grub perfectly for the dual-boot setup. In terms of network access: I share my NTFS partitions in Windows, so they can be seen by all machines on the LAN. I store my shared data there. I'm sure I could expose my ext3 partitions to the network via export/Samba etc, but using my Windows partitions for shared data has been relatively easy to setup, and has worked well for years now. Just my tuppence worth. Andrew. Me too-ish. Dual boot XP and Kubuntu, defaults to kubuntu as first item on grub 2 menu. Data drive is fat32 for access by both, but linux 'home' drive is ext4. I have just set up printing on this kubuntu machine from my wife's XP box using the instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=806699 (not sure of the grammar in this statement!) This is so that we(she) can print things that don't require the expensive colour printer on the cheapy HP laserjet 5M parallel printer on my linux computer. Cheers. Peter M. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
FWIW, my setup is as follows: I have a dual-boot machine, running Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.10. The Grub loader lets me switch between the two. About 10 years back, installing dual-boot Windows/Linux could be very problematic. I nuked one OS or the other during installation more times than I care to admit :) With more recent Linux distros though, it has become far more stable. Ubuntu does a nice job. I install Windows first, then Ubuntu. During Ubuntu installation, I can repartition my hard disk and setup ext3/ext4 or whatever. It also installs Grub perfectly for the dual-boot setup. In terms of network access: I share my NTFS partitions in Windows, so they can be seen by all machines on the LAN. I store my shared data there. I'm sure I could expose my ext3 partitions to the network via export/Samba etc, but using my Windows partitions for shared data has been relatively easy to setup, and has worked well for years now. Just my tuppence worth. Andrew. From: Simon P Smith To: Dorset Linux User Group Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013, 16:08 Subject: Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives. On 20/06/2013 15:01, Tim Allen wrote: > > You need enough RAM to run both OS'es together, and enough CPU power. > Given that most recent machines come with both that shouldn't be an > issue. I'm using it on a 12 yr old machine Terry kindly gave me (4GB, > couple of vintage Xeons). > > Hardware (eg USB peripherals) are passed through to the guest OS via > Virtualbox drivers. I've had no problems with this with things like > USB memory sticks, but with more obscure stuff (like microprocessor > programming pods) have run into problems. > > Booting the guest OS can be quite slow - I've found this more > noticeable with Linux guests than Windows guests. > > Just as an aside (alternative to Virtualbox), if you have the virtualisation extensions on your hardware then you could use the xen/qemu visualization. Personally my laptop books into Ubuntu and then starts up a Windows 7 virtual running in an lvm partition under the xen hypervisor. This means it gets access to the tin (graphics card, usb bus etc.) and runs significantly faster than virtualbox. Regards, Simon -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/2013 16:08, Simon P Smith wrote: Personally my laptop books into Ubuntu and then starts up a Windows 7 virtual running in an lvm partition under the xen hypervisor. This means it gets access to the tin (graphics card, usb bus etc.) and runs significantly faster than virtualbox. Email in haste - repent at leisure. I actually meany KVM not XEN ;-) -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/2013 15:01, Tim Allen wrote: You need enough RAM to run both OS'es together, and enough CPU power. Given that most recent machines come with both that shouldn't be an issue. I'm using it on a 12 yr old machine Terry kindly gave me (4GB, couple of vintage Xeons). Hardware (eg USB peripherals) are passed through to the guest OS via Virtualbox drivers. I've had no problems with this with things like USB memory sticks, but with more obscure stuff (like microprocessor programming pods) have run into problems. Booting the guest OS can be quite slow - I've found this more noticeable with Linux guests than Windows guests. Just as an aside (alternative to Virtualbox), if you have the virtualisation extensions on your hardware then you could use the xen/qemu visualization. Personally my laptop books into Ubuntu and then starts up a Windows 7 virtual running in an lvm partition under the xen hypervisor. This means it gets access to the tin (graphics card, usb bus etc.) and runs significantly faster than virtualbox. Regards, Simon -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
Hi Charles On 20/06/13 14:22, c...@pampru.org wrote: Thanks Tim, and to all others who have sent comments they have all helped, but I do need Windows AND Linux. I need Windows because it is used by business. As I am a 73 year old pensioner augmenting my meagre pension by doing occasional work, I can't afford to upgrade Pro versions of Windows software at Microsoft's ever-shortening upgrade intervals. Also, the changes between MS-Office versions are so great that it takes too long to get back up to speed again, hence XP and Office 2003 as my reliable Windows OS/Office. Win-7/Office 2007, which I was just getting familiar with after the Vista 64 disaster, has already been made obsolete by Office 2010 and Win-8! I run Pampru, a small institute, on a shoe-string budget so this runs Ubuntu Linux/LibreOffice. Not as easy to use as XP/2003, but getting better and (almost) free. Tim, your idea greatly appeals to me as it seems to solve all problems and reduce complexity too. But please:- Has Virtualbox been around long enough to be proven reliable? Yes. On version 4 now. Maintained by Oracle. Widely used. Can all drives be formatted EXT4? Yes. Would I be able to read and write to non-EXT4 USB memory from any running OS? Yes. Can I load two Virtual boxes on a machine, one for XP and one for later version MS OS that I need to become familiar with? Yes. If all are YES, I would run all PCs on LinuxLTS with Virtualbox(s) and format all drives to EXT4. I advise you grab the latest Virtualbox off https://www.virtualbox.org. They have deb packages. Sounds like IT Heaven but what, if any, are the downsides? You need enough RAM to run both OS'es together, and enough CPU power. Given that most recent machines come with both that shouldn't be an issue. I'm using it on a 12 yr old machine Terry kindly gave me (4GB, couple of vintage Xeons). Hardware (eg USB peripherals) are passed through to the guest OS via Virtualbox drivers. I've had no problems with this with things like USB memory sticks, but with more obscure stuff (like microprocessor programming pods) have run into problems. Booting the guest OS can be quite slow - I've found this more noticeable with Linux guests than Windows guests. There are a few more upsides - notably being able to take snapshots of your virtual machines (for instance before installing a new piece of software). This allows you to easily roll back. Also, once you've loaded your guest OS onto one machine, you can then copy it to other machines without the whole reinstall palaver (licenses permitting of course). I've run W2k, XP and Vista as virtual machines with no problems. Cheers Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/2013 14:22, c...@pampru.org wrote: Thanks Tim, and to all others who have sent comments they have all helped, but I do need Windows AND Linux. I need Windows because it is used by business. As I am a 73 year old pensioner augmenting my meagre pension by doing occasional work, I can't afford to upgrade Pro versions of Windows software at Microsoft's ever-shortening upgrade intervals. Also, the changes between MS-Office versions are so great that it takes too long to get back up to speed again, hence XP and Office 2003 as my reliable Windows OS/Office. Win-7/Office 2007, which I was just getting familiar with after the Vista 64 disaster, has already been made obsolete by Office 2010 and Win-8! I run Pampru, a small institute, on a shoe-string budget so this runs Ubuntu Linux/LibreOffice. Not as easy to use as XP/2003, but getting better and (almost) free. Tim, your idea greatly appeals to me as it seems to solve all problems and reduce complexity too. But please:- Has Virtualbox been around long enough to be proven reliable? Can all drives be formatted EXT4? Would I be able to read and write to non-EXT4 USB memory from any running OS? Can I load two Virtual boxes on a machine, one for XP and one for later version MS OS that I need to become familiar with? If all are YES, I would run all PCs on LinuxLTS with Virtualbox(s) and format all drives to EXT4. Sounds like IT Heaven but what, if any, are the downsides? Best regards to all, Charles Quoting Tim Allen : Hi Charles On 19/06/13 16:15, c...@pampru.org wrote: I have four PCs, most will be dual-boot so that I am able to run XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (a decade with no problems and do all I want) and Win-7 with Office 2007 Pro (very difficult to use) with Office 2003 Pro to fall back on en 2007 hits my exasperation limit (very short fuse!). You may want to try Virtualbox. Choose your base system (either Windows or Linux), put Virtualbox on it, then install the other operating system within that. It's very straightforward (much less hairy than dual boot/partitioning hassles) and very convenient - you can have both OSes running together and copy/paste between them. All will have Linux, probably Ubuntu LTS and LibreOffice, as this is what I hope to migrate all my university and institute work on to (not good enough yet to compete with XP/2003 yet but slowly getting there!), but I will still need MS for legacy/MS-only devices and for outside contacts. If you plan to migrate to Linux, I suggest you install Linux as the base system. You can them install Virtualbox and Windows as a guest OS. As already mentioned, Samba can be used for a mixed (or purely Linux) network. Cheers Tim All network devices will be fixed IP working through unmanaged 1GB switches, and each PC has a hardware switch to uncouple it from the Switch/hubs and connect to the BT internet home-Hub (so that network is always isolated from internet). As only programs live on PCs, taking a drive-image means that a restore cleans the PC after internet use. One PC may be dedicated to internet use. XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (xls/doc/ppt/jpg/txt) remains the rock for most of my work! I have spent 25 years collecting data and I can't afford tany more years of the disruption that I have suffered, nor to be continuously dealing with IT problems as is the case right now. I am nearly 74 years old, and I want to finish my project! Following a double-upgrader, 12.04LTS is up and running well, but a problem with Samba4 was flagged during the upgrade and I sent the report. Replies contain several links which I will try and follow when I have some time to spare. It may look like a mad hatter's tea party, but the system should overcome my worries when it works, but I may need professional help somewhere. Any ideas or comments are always most welcome! Charles Quoting Ralph Corderoy : Hi Charles, Turns out I was on 11.04 so I have upgraded to 11.10 and am now in process of upgrading again to 12.04LTS - will probably stop there as that seems to be the latest stable LTS. Yes, it is. I will also be re-formatting network and USB drives to EXT4 and installing Samba on Windows machines so that they can also use the drives - does this make sense? No, not really. :-) I've not used Samba, not having a need, but others on the list have so hopefully they'll pipe up. If you're intending to plug those USB drives into Windows machines then they need to be formatted with a filesystem Windows understands; and ext4 isn't by default. If all the drives are connected to Linux machines and Windows only sees them over the network, then ext4 is fine. To use the network to access the drives, I'd expect Samba to be on the Linux machines so they can serve up the drives' content and Windows would use its native software to access them over the network. Samba could also be used for Linux-to-Linux access over the network AIUI; bits of Samb
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 19/06/2013 14:15, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Charles, Turns out I was on 11.04 so I have upgraded to 11.10 and am now in process of upgrading again to 12.04LTS - will probably stop there as that seems to be the latest stable LTS. Yes, it is. I will also be re-formatting network and USB drives to EXT4 and installing Samba on Windows machines so that they can also use the drives - does this make sense? No, not really. :-) I've not used Samba, not having a need, but others on the list have so hopefully they'll pipe up. If you're intending to plug those USB drives into Windows machines then they need to be formatted with a filesystem Windows understands; and ext4 isn't by default. If all the drives are connected to Linux machines and Windows only sees them over the network, then ext4 is fine. To use the network to access the drives, I'd expect Samba to be on the Linux machines so they can serve up the drives' content and Windows would use its native software to access them over the network. Samba could also be used for Linux-to-Linux access over the network AIUI; bits of Samba running on both machines. What is it you'd like to achieve? Access to what storage and where? Cheers, Ralph. Samba is an excellent tool, controllable from the Linux side and simple to set up and manage. I recommend it. -- P.Lane CEO Lectrics Ltd Poole Dorset -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
Thanks Tim, and to all others who have sent comments they have all helped, but I do need Windows AND Linux. I need Windows because it is used by business. As I am a 73 year old pensioner augmenting my meagre pension by doing occasional work, I can't afford to upgrade Pro versions of Windows software at Microsoft's ever-shortening upgrade intervals. Also, the changes between MS-Office versions are so great that it takes too long to get back up to speed again, hence XP and Office 2003 as my reliable Windows OS/Office. Win-7/Office 2007, which I was just getting familiar with after the Vista 64 disaster, has already been made obsolete by Office 2010 and Win-8! I run Pampru, a small institute, on a shoe-string budget so this runs Ubuntu Linux/LibreOffice. Not as easy to use as XP/2003, but getting better and (almost) free. Tim, your idea greatly appeals to me as it seems to solve all problems and reduce complexity too. But please:- Has Virtualbox been around long enough to be proven reliable? Can all drives be formatted EXT4? Would I be able to read and write to non-EXT4 USB memory from any running OS? Can I load two Virtual boxes on a machine, one for XP and one for later version MS OS that I need to become familiar with? If all are YES, I would run all PCs on LinuxLTS with Virtualbox(s) and format all drives to EXT4. Sounds like IT Heaven but what, if any, are the downsides? Best regards to all, Charles Quoting Tim Allen : Hi Charles On 19/06/13 16:15, c...@pampru.org wrote: I have four PCs, most will be dual-boot so that I am able to run XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (a decade with no problems and do all I want) and Win-7 with Office 2007 Pro (very difficult to use) with Office 2003 Pro to fall back on en 2007 hits my exasperation limit (very short fuse!). You may want to try Virtualbox. Choose your base system (either Windows or Linux), put Virtualbox on it, then install the other operating system within that. It's very straightforward (much less hairy than dual boot/partitioning hassles) and very convenient - you can have both OSes running together and copy/paste between them. All will have Linux, probably Ubuntu LTS and LibreOffice, as this is what I hope to migrate all my university and institute work on to (not good enough yet to compete with XP/2003 yet but slowly getting there!), but I will still need MS for legacy/MS-only devices and for outside contacts. If you plan to migrate to Linux, I suggest you install Linux as the base system. You can them install Virtualbox and Windows as a guest OS. As already mentioned, Samba can be used for a mixed (or purely Linux) network. Cheers Tim All network devices will be fixed IP working through unmanaged 1GB switches, and each PC has a hardware switch to uncouple it from the Switch/hubs and connect to the BT internet home-Hub (so that network is always isolated from internet). As only programs live on PCs, taking a drive-image means that a restore cleans the PC after internet use. One PC may be dedicated to internet use. XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (xls/doc/ppt/jpg/txt) remains the rock for most of my work! I have spent 25 years collecting data and I can't afford tany more years of the disruption that I have suffered, nor to be continuously dealing with IT problems as is the case right now. I am nearly 74 years old, and I want to finish my project! Following a double-upgrader, 12.04LTS is up and running well, but a problem with Samba4 was flagged during the upgrade and I sent the report. Replies contain several links which I will try and follow when I have some time to spare. It may look like a mad hatter's tea party, but the system should overcome my worries when it works, but I may need professional help somewhere. Any ideas or comments are always most welcome! Charles Quoting Ralph Corderoy : Hi Charles, Turns out I was on 11.04 so I have upgraded to 11.10 and am now in process of upgrading again to 12.04LTS - will probably stop there as that seems to be the latest stable LTS. Yes, it is. I will also be re-formatting network and USB drives to EXT4 and installing Samba on Windows machines so that they can also use the drives - does this make sense? No, not really. :-) I've not used Samba, not having a need, but others on the list have so hopefully they'll pipe up. If you're intending to plug those USB drives into Windows machines then they need to be formatted with a filesystem Windows understands; and ext4 isn't by default. If all the drives are connected to Linux machines and Windows only sees them over the network, then ext4 is fine. To use the network to access the drives, I'd expect Samba to be on the Linux machines so they can serve up the drives' content and Windows would use its native software to access them over the network. Samba could also be used for Linux-to-Linux access over the network AIUI; bits of Samba running on both machines. What is
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
Hi Charles On 19/06/13 16:15, c...@pampru.org wrote: I have four PCs, most will be dual-boot so that I am able to run XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (a decade with no problems and do all I want) and Win-7 with Office 2007 Pro (very difficult to use) with Office 2003 Pro to fall back on en 2007 hits my exasperation limit (very short fuse!). You may want to try Virtualbox. Choose your base system (either Windows or Linux), put Virtualbox on it, then install the other operating system within that. It's very straightforward (much less hairy than dual boot/partitioning hassles) and very convenient - you can have both OSes running together and copy/paste between them. All will have Linux, probably Ubuntu LTS and LibreOffice, as this is what I hope to migrate all my university and institute work on to (not good enough yet to compete with XP/2003 yet but slowly getting there!), but I will still need MS for legacy/MS-only devices and for outside contacts. If you plan to migrate to Linux, I suggest you install Linux as the base system. You can them install Virtualbox and Windows as a guest OS. As already mentioned, Samba can be used for a mixed (or purely Linux) network. Cheers Tim All network devices will be fixed IP working through unmanaged 1GB switches, and each PC has a hardware switch to uncouple it from the Switch/hubs and connect to the BT internet home-Hub (so that network is always isolated from internet). As only programs live on PCs, taking a drive-image means that a restore cleans the PC after internet use. One PC may be dedicated to internet use. XP-Pro and Office 2003-Pro (xls/doc/ppt/jpg/txt) remains the rock for most of my work! I have spent 25 years collecting data and I can't afford tany more years of the disruption that I have suffered, nor to be continuously dealing with IT problems as is the case right now. I am nearly 74 years old, and I want to finish my project! Following a double-upgrader, 12.04LTS is up and running well, but a problem with Samba4 was flagged during the upgrade and I sent the report. Replies contain several links which I will try and follow when I have some time to spare. It may look like a mad hatter's tea party, but the system should overcome my worries when it works, but I may need professional help somewhere. Any ideas or comments are always most welcome! Charles Quoting Ralph Corderoy : Hi Charles, Turns out I was on 11.04 so I have upgraded to 11.10 and am now in process of upgrading again to 12.04LTS - will probably stop there as that seems to be the latest stable LTS. Yes, it is. I will also be re-formatting network and USB drives to EXT4 and installing Samba on Windows machines so that they can also use the drives - does this make sense? No, not really. :-) I've not used Samba, not having a need, but others on the list have so hopefully they'll pipe up. If you're intending to plug those USB drives into Windows machines then they need to be formatted with a filesystem Windows understands; and ext4 isn't by default. If all the drives are connected to Linux machines and Windows only sees them over the network, then ext4 is fine. To use the network to access the drives, I'd expect Samba to be on the Linux machines so they can serve up the drives' content and Windows would use its native software to access them over the network. Samba could also be used for Linux-to-Linux access over the network AIUI; bits of Samba running on both machines. What is it you'd like to achieve? Access to what storage and where? Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/13 08:18, Sean Gibbins wrote: On 20/06/13 07:27, Keith Edmunds wrote: My suggestion to you is to pick either Windows or Linux, and stick with that. If you want to, you can do everything in Linux. Hi Keith, Fist up I'll confess that I have only dropped in on this thread at this point. However, that said I'm not sure I agree with your statement. For instance, if you are a gamer you will struggle to run most of the the big titles on your Linux-only machine. Granted most other applications can be run in a virtual environment or Wine, but there are some that have limitations in that regard and no fully-functional Linux equivalent. Also, I can see a situation where someone who uses Linux at home would want to retain a familiarity with Windows for professional reasons and/or for study outside of work. Going back to your bi-lingual anecdote, there are very few ideas that cannot be expressed or conceived in only one language, but nevertheless it can be useful to speak two or more languages, and even fun, too. Finally, we are talking about Samba here, and isn't the raison d'être of Samba is to facilitate communication between Windows and Linux/Unix machines? Surely such an important and long-running project confirms that everything can be done in Linux? Sean I'm with Sean on this. 'My' computer is dual boot kubuntu and XP, because I cannot get my scanner to work under linux. I use Samba to share files with my wife's XP computer where there is a 'shared' directory. I do not need samba on her XP box as we just stick files in that shared directory. One of my next tasks is to make the ancient parallel connected laserjet on my linux box available to her computer as the printer there is a lot more expensive to run. At the moment on the XP box I print to pdf and stick it in the shared directory to print off from linux. So like many people I do need to be literate in more than one OS. I have not succeeded like Terry in getting my wife on to linux. She thinks that is something for geeks still. Peter -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Samba and Windows Access to Drives.
On 20/06/13 07:27, Keith Edmunds wrote: My suggestion to you is to pick either Windows or Linux, and stick with that. If you want to, you can do everything in Linux. Hi Keith, Fist up I'll confess that I have only dropped in on this thread at this point. However, that said I'm not sure I agree with your statement. For instance, if you are a gamer you will struggle to run most of the the big titles on your Linux-only machine. Granted most other applications can be run in a virtual environment or Wine, but there are some that have limitations in that regard and no fully-functional Linux equivalent. Also, I can see a situation where someone who uses Linux at home would want to retain a familiarity with Windows for professional reasons and/or for study outside of work. Going back to your bi-lingual anecdote, there are very few ideas that cannot be expressed or conceived in only one language, but nevertheless it can be useful to speak two or more languages, and even fun, too. Finally, we are talking about Samba here, and isn't the raison d'être of Samba is to facilitate communication between Windows and Linux/Unix machines? Surely such an important and long-running project confirms that everything can be done in Linux? Sean -- music, film, comics, books, rants and drivel: www.funkygibbins.me.uk -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2013-07-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread on mailing list: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue