Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hello, i do some tests with dovecot 2.1.7 and activated a default special-use config. To get it work with outlook 2013, i also added XLIST to imap capability string. basically this is working. is somebody also using special-use folders successful with outlook 2013? yes, testet a few times, works fine, without Junk folder , cause outlook wants this handled by it own, but i ve seen reg patches to change this My serverside setup now is completed. I did a lot of tests last weeks and experienced some strange behaviour of some clients. Outlook 2013 is only working when adding XLIST manually to imap_capability imap_capability = +XLIST This is because outlook 2013 not supports rfc 6154 but the deprecated XLIST standard invented by google. So the problem with junkfolder is not a bug in Outlook 2013, in rfc 6154 spamfolder is tagged by \Junk, in XLIST standard \Spam is used. I did see that when using a gmailaccount in outlook 2013. Adding XLIST capability to dovecot seems to be a problem for other Clients. k9 is able to work with rfc 6154 servers. But if k9 finds XLIST and SPECIAL-USE together in capabilitystring it seems to prefer XLIST requests. Because of dovecot is accepting XLIST requests, but outputs rfc 6154 details, k9 seems to be confused and dont finds special Folders. rfc 6154 is similar but not identical to XLIST. If you dont test with really individual foldernames, you get tricked by clients behaviour. I looked around and the most imap-servers of hosting companies etc. provide XLIST feature, Special-USE unfortunately only a few. So i did now some changes to dovecot sources on my own. I added \Spam as allowed special-use attribute and created a new function for XLIST Requests. So if XLIST is requested, Clients gets lines of output with XLIST and \Junk is replaced with \Spam. So all is done in the code and i dont need to change my userdb-config. Testing this server with different clients was successful. All of them did find their special folders and worked fine, outlook 2013 also finds spamfolder now. So this changes contribute to consolidate a deprecated standard but i have to find a way where all users can benefit from new features. This is not a request to change something in dovecot, this is a call to decision makers to support one rfc Standard. Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On 3.4.2013, at 14.24, Hajo Locke hajo.lo...@gmx.de wrote: Ugh. Not really. OK, latest v2.1 hg has passdb_import, userdb_import and userdb_userdb_import and they all work. .. thanks, this is working. now it is possible to let the single user choose his favorite foldernames if client is not very helpful. it results in some more configuration, but is helpful in some situations. but i only achieved this without userdb prefetching. latest patch i added latest patch http://hg.dovecot.org/dovecot-2.1/rev/cd919c490ea6 is included There are 3 more patches related to the userdb_import stuff since that one.
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On Sun, 2013-03-31 at 17:40 +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo^Atnamespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe same line occurs when querying ...userdb_import as userdb_import... in place of ...userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import. http://hg.dovecot.org/dovecot-2.1/rev/cd919c490ea6 makes userdb_userdb_import work. Ugh. Not really. OK, latest v2.1 hg has passdb_import, userdb_import and userdb_userdb_import and they all work. In addition, here's a list of settings that are required for adding two new mailboxes without them being in the configuration: /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/imap -o 'namespace/inbox/mailbox=foo bar' -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/name=foo -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/name=bar -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/auto=create -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/auto=create -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/special_use=\\sent -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/special_use=\\drafts That way you can easily test them. They work just the same (without -o parameter of course) in userdb_import. thanks, this is working. now it is possible to let the single user choose his favorite foldernames if client is not very helpful. it results in some more configuration, but is helpful in some situations. but i only achieved this without userdb prefetching. latest patch i added latest patch http://hg.dovecot.org/dovecot-2.1/rev/cd919c490ea6 is included this is the old combined query: password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home` as userdb_home, `uid` AS userdb_uid, `gid` AS userdb_gid,userdb_import AS userdb_userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' i had to edit the conf and split this query into user and pwd query to make it work password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password` FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' user_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home`, `uid`, `gid`, userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' i would like to save one query at loginprocess, but its not existentially needed. Thanks, Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On 25.3.2013, at 17.14, Hajo Locke hajo.lo...@gmx.de wrote: Looks like it fixed the TAB problem. So I guess I need to fix userdb_userdb_import. Could you try if the attached patch fixes it? i added the patch and did build my packages. sql.conf i switched back to prefetch. Log looks like: Mar 25 16:01:55 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: prefetch(myusername,ip.ip.ip.ip,Bsf0FcHYGgBVDY8B): success Mar 25 16:01:55 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 3357409281 myusernamehome=/home/myusername uid=1004 gid=1000 namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo^Atnamespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe same line occurs when querying ...userdb_import as userdb_import... in place of ...userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import… http://hg.dovecot.org/dovecot-2.1/rev/cd919c490ea6 makes userdb_userdb_import work.
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On Sun, 2013-03-31 at 17:40 +0300, Timo Sirainen wrote: namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo^Atnamespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe same line occurs when querying ...userdb_import as userdb_import... in place of ...userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import… http://hg.dovecot.org/dovecot-2.1/rev/cd919c490ea6 makes userdb_userdb_import work. Ugh. Not really. OK, latest v2.1 hg has passdb_import, userdb_import and userdb_userdb_import and they all work. In addition, here's a list of settings that are required for adding two new mailboxes without them being in the configuration: /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/imap -o 'namespace/inbox/mailbox=foo bar' -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/name=foo -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/name=bar -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/auto=create -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/auto=create -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/foo/special_use=\\sent -o namespace/inbox/mailbox/bar/special_use=\\drafts That way you can easily test them. They work just the same (without -o parameter of course) in userdb_import.
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hallo,
the autocreate works if mailbox hallohallo is basically created in conf
file with special_use purpose:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
namespace inbox {
mailbox hallohallo {
special_use = \Sent
auto=no
}
}
userdb_import: namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe
In this case the settings from userdb_import override this part of
conffile and folder hallohallo is autocreated and accepted by outlook
2013. (works only without prefetch)
but my goal is to put also the special_use purpose per user to userdb.
i reduced conf file to:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
now i extended userdb_import to:
namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe
so this seems to be the end of the attempt to move special_use features 100%
to userdb.
i have to mark a folder with special_use feature directly in conf-file and
are only able to control the autocreation of this folder in userdb_import
If i move all (like above) all 3 lines to userdb, then nothing good happens,
sometimes outlook 2013 even crashes...
so, do i have any other chances?
Thanks,
Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Am 25.03.2013 09:23, schrieb Hajo Locke: Hello, i do some tests with dovecot 2.1.7 and activated a default special-use config. To get it work with outlook 2013, i also added XLIST to imap capability string. basically this is working. is somebody also using special-use folders successful with outlook 2013? yes, testet a few times, works fine, without Junk folder , cause outlook wants this handled by it own, but i ve seen reg patches to change this In my understanding of special-use extension, every client should map its own local folders to corresponding folders on server. Real Name of folder on server should be irrelevant, if a folder aaa is marked as \Sent, then a Client should show this folder as Sent Sent Items or Gesendete Objekte, just like local preferences. the special names are comming from the server and are stated in rfc http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6154 the clients decides how to handle it additional there is an alias plugin dovecot ( not the same as special folders but can be mixed http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/MailboxAlias but thats more ment as a solution for older Outlooks which always create i.e Gesendete Objekte to get mapped to Sent so its a workaround not magic Outlook 2013 seems to work slightly different. Outlook 2013 seems to really use the marked folder on server regardless of local preferences. If i mark Drafts as \Drafts, outlook 2013 will use this for drafts even in german environment. Did somebody other notice this behaviour? yes, if you set drafts its used by german outlook, no translation, just verified that Is it possible to adjust some settings in outlook 2013 fo fix this? not that i know, but i will investigate, guess there are ways to fix it there maybe some reg hacks, but dont go there until they are not official Otherwise the serveradmin is forced to provide special-use folders per every single user and let them choose how his folders should be named? What experience did others make who use special-use folders in productive environment? my personal meanings stay at english in your dovecot conf translation should be done from the client, if outlook 2013 german does not, ask Microsoft why. Comparing K9 on Android german, the also stay with i.e Sent but add ( Gesendet ) after that, looks like a good idea to me, having orig server folder name with country language translation adding Thanks, Hajo Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Axel von der Ohe, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Joerg Heidrich
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Am 25.03.2013 12:18, schrieb Robert Schetterer: Is it possible to adjust some settings in outlook 2013 fo fix this? not that i know, but i will investigate, guess there are ways to fix it there maybe some reg hacks, but dont go there until they are not official if your brave you may try , no idea if that might work MFCMAPI http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/renamedefaultfolders.htm http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/rename-outlooks-default-folders/ Best Regards MfG Robert Schetterer -- [*] sys4 AG http://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Axel von der Ohe, Marc Schiffbauer Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Joerg Heidrich
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hello,
if your brave you may try , no idea if that might work
MFCMAPI
http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/renamedefaultfolders.htm
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/rename-outlooks-default-folders/
thanks, the MFCMAPI way is working, but i'm afraid that only experienced
users will have success.
i think about of moving all the special_folders stuff to userdb and let
every user decide on its own.
2 reasons.
1: outlook 2013 and may be other clients only work correct if
special_folders on server are autocreated (auto=subscribe). Even when adding
the special_folders later manually, outlook 2013 would not use them for
current account. i had to delete and recreate the account to get it work
again. autocreate and subscription seems to be really needed. This folders
may be annoying for users who dont use a special_folders client.
2. if microsoft has choosen to not map local folders to serverfolders, i
expect a lot of support effort to explain why folder names are like this.
even if i decide to use german names on server, there will be complains by
other users who wants to have there own preferred foldernames.
moving all this to a userdb lookup is really not in the purpose of rfc 6154,
but seems to be for me the best compromise.
i dont know which way i will go, but already tried the userdb-thing. without
suceess.
I want to know if this will work from pure technical side and deside later
to use or to discard this possibility.
A good way to do this seems to be the userdb_import field:
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/UserDatabase/ExtraFields
i reduced the special_folders part in conf file to:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
then i added text-field to my MySQL Table mail_users and inserted a text
like this:
namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribeTABnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
Also i edited the password_query (i use userdb prefetch)
password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home` as
userdb_home, `uid` AS userdb_uid, `gid` AS userdb_gid, userdb_import as
userdb_userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y'
This results in no error but also no effect. Verbose logging did show a line
like this:
Mar 25 13:16:49 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER
3613786113 myuserhome=/home/myuser uid=1004gid=1000
namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe^Atnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
Looks not really bad, but is not working.
What did i wrong? I would like to get this work to have a plan B.
Thanks,
Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On 25.3.2013, at 15.36, Hajo Locke hajo.lo...@gmx.de wrote: Also i edited the password_query (i use userdb prefetch) password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home` as userdb_home, `uid` AS userdb_uid, `gid` AS userdb_gid, userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' This results in no error but also no effect. Verbose logging did show a line like this: Mar 25 13:16:49 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 3613786113 myuserhome=/home/myuser uid=1004gid=1000 namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe^Atnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent Looks not really bad, but is not working. What did i wrong? I would like to get this work to have a plan B. See if it works without userdb prefetch? Possibly a bug..
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hello, Also i edited the password_query (i use userdb prefetch) password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home` as userdb_home, `uid` AS userdb_uid, `gid` AS userdb_gid, userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' This results in no error but also no effect. Verbose logging did show a line like this: Mar 25 13:16:49 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 3613786113 myuserhome=/home/myuser uid=1004 gid=1000 namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe^Atnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent Looks not really bad, but is not working. What did i wrong? I would like to get this work to have a plan B. See if it works without userdb prefetch? Possibly a bug.. Unfortunately not. I edited the sql.conf to: password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `username`, `password`, FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' user_query =SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home`, `uid`, `gid` , userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND `active`='Y' Maillog says: Mar 25 14:59:53 myhostname dovecot: auth-worker(16079): Debug: sql(myusername,ip.ip.ip.ip): SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home`, `uid`, `gid` , userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = 'myusername' AND `active`='Y' Mar 25 14:59:53 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 778960897 myusernamepassword=hidden home=/home/myusername uid=1004 gid=1000namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe namespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent looks correct, login and reading mail works, but there is no folder autcreated etc. dovecot is 2.1.7 Thanks, Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Am 25.03.2013 14:36, schrieb Hajo Locke:
Hello,
if your brave you may try , no idea if that might work
MFCMAPI
http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/renamedefaultfolders.htm
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/rename-outlooks-default-folders/
thanks, the MFCMAPI way is working, but i'm afraid that only experienced
users will have success.
however you are the man who tried it, thx
i think about of moving all the special_folders stuff to userdb and let
every user decide on its own.
2 reasons.
your choice, i would not use outlook at all,
its simply not a good internet mail client
in fact it is the client of exchange.
Alternative imternet mail clients are good enough now,
if sombody likes outlook he better should use it with exchange
1: outlook 2013 and may be other clients only work correct if
special_folders on server are autocreated (auto=subscribe). Even when
adding the special_folders later manually, outlook 2013 would not use
them for current account.
yes, you need to setup new profile then, thats how outlook 2013 works
i had to delete and recreate the account to
get it work again. autocreate and subscription seems to be really
needed. This folders may be annoying for users who dont use a
special_folders client.
not to my knowledge, most users are on thunderbird, apple mail , k9 etc
since yet ,nobody phoned me here *g, after all, most imap clients without
special folders features still autocreate their meaning of special
folder via imap auto by itselves, and that will stay that way until
everyone has upgraded to clients with special folders features so this
means perhaps never *g
2. if microsoft has choosen to not map local folders to serverfolders, i
expect a lot of support effort to explain why folder names are like
this. even if i decide to use german names on server, there will be
complains by other users who wants to have there own preferred foldernames.
Microsoft has choosen to earn money with cloud outlook.com services
and on exchange, the have no prime interest in imap
however outlook 2013 does active sync too, as anounced
new horde webmail will be full compatible to outlook 2013 active sync
version, so for one account minimum you will have mail , kalendar,
abook, notes etc in sync , no need for direct imap in outlook 2013 then
moving all this to a userdb lookup is really not in the purpose of rfc
6154, but seems to be for me the best compromise.
i dont know which way i will go, but already tried the userdb-thing.
without suceess.
I want to know if this will work from pure technical side and deside
later to use or to discard this possibility.
A good way to do this seems to be the userdb_import field:
http://wiki2.dovecot.org/UserDatabase/ExtraFields
i reduced the special_folders part in conf file to:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
then i added text-field to my MySQL Table mail_users and inserted a text
like this:
namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribeTABnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
Also i edited the password_query (i use userdb prefetch)
password_query = SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home` as
userdb_home, `uid` AS userdb_uid, `gid` AS userdb_gid, userdb_import as
userdb_userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = '%u' AND
`active`='Y'
This results in no error but also no effect. Verbose logging did show a
line like this:
Mar 25 13:16:49 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER
3613786113 myuserhome=/home/myuser uid=1004
gid=1000
namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe^Atnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
Looks not really bad, but is not working.
What did i wrong? I would like to get this work to have a plan B.
as Timo wrote perhaps a bug
Thanks,
Hajo
Best Regards
MfG Robert Schetterer
--
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Franziskanerstraße 15, 81669 München
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Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Axel von der Ohe, Marc Schiffbauer
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Joerg Heidrich
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On 25.3.2013, at 16.13, Hajo Locke hajo.lo...@gmx.de wrote: Mar 25 13:16:49 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 3613786113 myuserhome=/home/myuser uid=1004 gid=1000 namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe^Atnamespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent Looks not really bad, but is not working. What did i wrong? I would like to get this work to have a plan B. See if it works without userdb prefetch? Possibly a bug.. Unfortunately not. I edited the sql.conf to: Mar 25 14:59:53 myhostname dovecot: auth-worker(16079): Debug: sql(myusername,ip.ip.ip.ip): SELECT `inbox` as `user`, `password`, `home`, `uid`, `gid` , userdb_import FROM `mail_users` WHERE `login` = 'myusername' AND `active`='Y' Mar 25 14:59:53 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 778960897 myusernamepassword=hidden home=/home/myusername uid=1004 gid=1000namespace/inbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe namespace/inbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent Looks like it fixed the TAB problem. So I guess I need to fix userdb_userdb_import. looks correct, login and reading mail works, but there is no folder autcreated etc. dovecot is 2.1.7 The problem is that there is no namespace/inbox/hallohallo section. It needs to be created explicitly. And the naming is wrong. So I think..: namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
On 25.3.2013, at 16.28, Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi wrote: Looks like it fixed the TAB problem. So I guess I need to fix userdb_userdb_import. Could you try if the attached patch fixes it? diff Description: Binary data
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hello, Looks like it fixed the TAB problem. So I guess I need to fix userdb_userdb_import. Could you try if the attached patch fixes it? i added the patch and did build my packages. sql.conf i switched back to prefetch. Log looks like: Mar 25 16:01:55 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: prefetch(myusername,ip.ip.ip.ip,Bsf0FcHYGgBVDY8B): success Mar 25 16:01:55 myhostname dovecot: auth: Debug: master out: USER 3357409281 myusernamehome=/home/myusername uid=1004 gid=1000 namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo^Atnamespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe same line occurs when querying ...userdb_import as userdb_import... in place of ...userdb_import as userdb_userdb_import... I also used your suggested userdb_import setting, but seems that i have no luck today. with and without prefetching there are no folders etc. autocreated. i'm stuck... :( Thanks, Hajo
Re: [Dovecot] Outlook 2013 - mounting folders with XLIST
Hello,
I also used your suggested userdb_import setting, but seems that i have no
luck today. with and without prefetching there are no folders etc.
autocreated.
now i have a partially success.
the autocreate works if mailbox hallohallo is basically created in conf file
with special_use purpose:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
namespace inbox {
mailbox hallohallo {
special_use = \Sent
auto=no
}
}
userdb_import: namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe
In this case the settings from userdb_import override this part of conffile
and folder hallohallo is autocreated and accepted by outlook 2013. (works
only without prefetch)
but my goal is to put also the special_use purpose per user to userdb.
i reduced conf file to:
namespace inbox {
inbox = yes
}
now i extended userdb_import to:
namespace/inbox/mailbox=hallohallo
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/special_use=\Sent
namespace/inbox/mailbox/hallohallo/auto=subscribe
At this point nothing happens. there is no folder autocreated and telnet
session shows no special_use folder.
Is there a possibility to put the complete special_folders config to userdb?
Thanks,
Hajo
