[Drakelist] My Drake/Sherwood R-4C Rules my shack!
Like some of you here, I have been working very hard to get into the log of the DX-pedition to the South Orkney Islands. My favorite band/mode has always been 40M CW. Last night I finally got my contact with them. Considering I am only running 600W to a 20M double zepp from W. WA it has been a bit of a chore. My fully loaded Sherwood R-4C smoked my Ten Tec OMNI 6+ (which has a full load to TT filters and the INRAD CW roofing filter mod) last night. On the Drake VP8ORK was only a 529 using GUF 600Hz roofing filter and the DRAKE OEM 250Hz cw filter with no ringing filters or white noise. One the OMNI VI+ VP8ORK was only 229 due to the receiver white noise and the howling DSP noise. It is absolutely amazing to hear the difference of the two receivers. I do prefer the digital control that the 6 offers, but if you can't hear 'em you ain't going to work 'em. A trip down to Fry's electronics for a 4PDT 12V relay, a 3 pos double pole rotary wafer switch, a bud box and 6 RCA jack and 3 1/8 headphone jacks is on the agenda next so I have TR switching for the R-4C, then it is good to go for the TJ8 DX-pedition coming up next. God I Love that Sherwood R-4C. Don Jones KO7i Arlington, WA ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] Drake items FS
Drake items for sale: Drake TV-3300-LP Low Pass TVI Filter This modern low pass filter has been optimized to have more attenuation in the 40 MHz region, where many TVs have their IF. It is good for 1000 Watts average according to the manual, and has over 80 db attenuation at 41 MHz. SO-239 connectors on each end. This one looks great. With paper work for $30. Case for Drake TR-33 C This is the black case that fits the Drake TR-33 C, and has cutouts in the back for antenna, power, etc. It includes the shoulder strap, and is in good shape. $12 Case for Drake TR-22 As above, but for the TR-22. No shoulder strap. $10 3 pin mic plug for TR-22 This is the small 3 pin mic plug that fits the Drake TR-22 mic jack. It is much smaller than most of the mic connectors. This one has been used, but should still be usable some more. $10 Dual Meter SWR Bridges: Both of these feature two separate meters -- one for reading forward power and another for reading SWR. This permits one to easily monitor both the power going out, and the SWR on the antenna. They were made in Japan, and labeled with various names, including Swan, Siltronix, and Quement. Both have SO-239 connectors on each end, and work fine. Both will work on HF, and VHF, covering 3 to 150 MHz, so are ideal for the new rigs that include 6 and 2 meters. Quement SWB-2 This meter works fine and looks great. With paper work for $40. Siltronix SWR-2 This meter functions fine, but the meter lens of the meter that reads SWR has a crack on the very right edge of it. It is on the edge, and not in the part where one actually reads the meter. It is strictly cosmetic. $25 SWR Bridge / Field Strength Meter: Royce 2-100 Single Meter SWR Bridge / Field Strength Meter With SO-239 connectors, it covers from 3 to 150 MHz, covering HF, 6 meters, and 2 meters, so is ideal for the new rigs with 6 meters and 2 meters in them. This one works fine, and looks extremely nice. I do not see any scratches on it, but it does have a previous owners name on it. In its original box with original instructions. $32 Prices do not include shipping from Florida. Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to w...@flham.net or w...@arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] My Drake/Sherwood R-4C Rules my shack! (Don Jones)
IMHO, the only thing that is better than what Don describes is the R-4C as he describes BUT...use a Timewave 599ZX with a pair of noise canceling earphones (the Bose are expensive, but quite comfortable). The Timewave has a superior audio amp and I set up the filter as a bandpass with the low end at ~300 Hz and the high end at 1,500 Hz. This helps with the low end rumble and the high end atmosphere noise and makes the radio even more enjoyable. I rarely use the other features of the DSP filter, but on occasion, the Random function does help. Only on few occasions do I use the CW function of the DSP. It does help also, but for the most part, the R-4C audio into the DSP filter is clean. I have recently aligned my R-4C and used the headphone jack with out the Timewave and again realized what a huge difference it makes. The DSP filter is not low cost, but I got it 10 years ago and it is still a viable solution. I am sure that there are lower cost filters out there, but can not attest to the audio amps on them. One of the cost drivers of the 599ZX is the ability to go to 5 kHz as the upper cut off frequency. This compares to others that have a cut off at 3 kHz or so. For amateur radio, the 3 kHz is fine, but I also use the 599ZX with my Drake R-8B for BCBDX and Beacons. Jim WA9ZBV Orange, CA -- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 08:51:43 -0800 From: Don Jones k...@comcast.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: [Drakelist] My Drake/Sherwood R-4C Rules my shack! Message-ID: 000c01cbc554$f890e040$e9b2a0c0$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Like some of you here, I have been working very hard to get into the log of the DX-pedition to the South Orkney Islands. My favorite band/mode has always been 40M CW. Last night I finally got my contact with them. Considering I am only running 600W to a 20M double zepp from W. WA it has been a bit of a chore. My fully loaded Sherwood R-4C smoked my Ten Tec OMNI 6+ (which has a full load to TT filters and the INRAD CW roofing filter mod) last night. On the Drake VP8ORK was only a 529 using GUF 600Hz roofing filter and the DRAKE OEM 250Hz cw filter with no ringing filters or white noise. One the OMNI VI+ VP8ORK was only 229 due to the receiver white noise and the howling DSP noise. It is absolutely amazing to hear the difference of the two receivers. I do prefer the digital control that the 6 offers, but if you can't hear 'em you ain't going to work 'em. A trip down to Fry's electronics for a 4PDT 12V relay, a 3 pos double pole rotary wafer switch, a bud box and 6 RCA jack and 3 1/8 headphone jacks is on the agenda next so I have TR switching for the R-4C, then it is good to go for the TJ8 DX-pedition coming up next. God I Love that Sherwood R-4C. Don Jones KO7i Arlington, WA ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] No T4XC output
I turned on my trusty T-4XC a little while ago and it failed me! I will try to swap out a tube or two but here are my observations in case anyone might be able to point me to the fix. 1.The PTO appears to work fine because I can use it to operate the R-4C in transceive mode using the xmtr PTO. There is no transmit power 2.The sidetone works well and the radio keys. 3.The RF Tune will peak as it should. 4.There is no dip when tuning the plate. In fact there is a peak oddly enough. 5.Adjusting the Load control has no effect on plate current. Relative output is unchanged when adjusting the plate control. 6.These measurements were made loaded into a 50 ohm dummy load. Hope I am lucky and it is only a tube. However I am seldom lucky; thus, I sent this email. Thanks to all who respond. George K4GM ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] My Drake/Sherwood R-4C Rules my shack! (Don Jones)
On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:20:27 -0800, Jim Bo wrote: use a Timewave 599ZX with a pair of noise canceling earphones (the Bose are expensive, but quite comfortable). I found a ClearSpeeck Base a couple of years ago at a hamfest for the insanely low price of 10 bucks. While I am not a big fan of DSP as the magic box that cures all ills, I figured that I couldn't go wrong at that price. While I haven't tried it out on the R-4C yet, I have used it extensively with my TR-7. For a no-adjustments black box, I was suprised, if not astonished, at how good it really was. I have literally been on 75 phone with it and been totally unaware of static crashes from approaching thunderstorms that were making copy very difficlut for others. Paired it with an Autek QF-1A, which provides some interesting combinations for noise filtering. It blows away my previous experiences with the RadShack DSP-40, which acutally does a fair job for what it is (i.e., it works like a $70 DSP should be expected to). The Timewave offerings have intruiged me, and I'll probably end up with one at some point if I can find a good deal. 73 -Jim -- Ham Radio NU0C Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.S.A. TR7/RV7/R7A/L7, TR6/RV6, T4XC/R4C/L4B, NCL2000, SB104A, R390A, GT550A/RV550A, HyGain 3750, IBM PS/2 - all vintage, all the time! Give a man a URL, and he will learn for an hour; teach him to Google, and he will learn for a lifetime. HyGain 3750 User's Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyGain_3750/ http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney http://www.nebraskaghosts.org ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] No T4XC output
George, Do you still see the normal idle plate current (bias) of about 70mA when you key the transmitter with the GAIN all the way down? KB8BKU, Darryl in Dayton On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:44 PM, K4GM- George wrote: I turned on my trusty T-4XC a little while ago and it failed me! I will try to swap out a tube or two but here are my observations in case anyone might be able to point me to the fix. 1.The PTO appears to work fine because I can use it to operate the R-4C in transceive mode using the xmtr PTO. There is no transmit power 2.The sidetone works well and the radio keys. 3.The RF Tune will peak as it should. 4.There is no dip when tuning the plate. In fact there is a peak oddly enough. 5.Adjusting the Load control has no effect on plate current. Relative output is unchanged when adjusting the plate control. 6.These measurements were made loaded into a 50 ohm dummy load. Hope I am lucky and it is only a tube. However I am seldom lucky; thus, I sent this email. Thanks to all who respond. George K4GM ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] r4b transformer
Got the r4B finished today, set the bias and s meter and added a coup la of crystals, 17 and 12 meters. Anyway , after the receiver ran for 1/2 a hour, I noticed the power transformer seemed very warm.not enough to make you take your hand away,,but warm. Sound normal? Also I want to send the the twins out for service to somewhere, Can any body suggest someone for service that somewhere in the southeast,Iam in sw Florida. Figure the closer they are the less travel and = less damage. thanks dale wt4t ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] r4b transformer
Dale, Warm should be fine. I assume that the R-4B has been re-capped, so there should be no leaky cap issues in the power supply. FYI, the R-4A early (13-tube) version power transformer runs *VERY* warm, which is normal, but is also why I use a top-mounted fan on the case directly above the transformer to draw air out of the radio. There should be no need of that with the R-4B but it is an option if the warm transformer concerns you. 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 2/5/2011 4:28:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, y...@aol.com writes: Got the r4B finished today, set the bias and s meter and added a coup la of crystals, 17 and 12 meters. Anyway , after the receiver ran for 1/2 a hour, I noticed the power transformer seemed very warm.not enough to make you take your hand away,,but warm. Sound normal? Also I want to send the the twins out for service to somewhere, Can any body suggest someone for service that somewhere in the southeast,Iam in sw Florida. Figure the closer they are the less travel and = less damage. thanks dale wt4t ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] r4b transformer
Mine runs very warm as well on my R4-A. KB8BKU, Darryl in Dayton On Feb 5, 2011, at 4:26 PM, y...@aol.com wrote: Got the r4B finished today, set the bias and s meter and added a coup la of crystals, 17 and 12 meters. Anyway , after the receiver ran for 1/2 a hour, I noticed the power transformer seemed very warm.not enough to make you take your hand away,,but warm. Sound normal? Also I want to send the the twins out for service to somewhere, Can any body suggest someone for service that somewhere in the southeast,Iam in sw Florida. Figure the closer they are the less travel and = less damage. thanks dale wt4t ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] r4b transformer
Dale - Yes, the transformers all run 'warm'. Leaky electrolytics can make them run 'warmer', as can today's slightly higher line voltages. Some put fans on them, but I've run them 24/7 for years without fans and even under shelves with a couple inches clearance above (open back) and have yet to see a bad transformer that wasn't destroyed by some clown putting a piece of wire in the fuseholder. A shorted or even very leaky electrolytic can take one out under those circumstances. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com y...@aol.com wrote: Got the r4B finished today, set the bias and s meter and added a coup la of crystals, 17 and 12 meters. Anyway , after the receiver ran for 1/2 a hour, I noticed the power transformer seemed very warm.not enough to make you take your hand away,,but warm. Sound normal? Also I want to send the the twins out for service to somewhere, Can any body suggest someone for service that somewhere in the southeast,Iam in sw Florida. Figure the closer they are the less travel and = less damage. thanks dale wt4t ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP filters with Drakes
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:57:16 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: I also use Philips collapsible headphone when I use cans. Forgot to mention it, but I have a set of stereo NC headphones that I rarely use because they are ultra-cheapo made in China plastic, $20 on closeout at a Menard's of all places. What I do use when I need it is a Telex Airman NC avionics headset. It's always a big hit at field day, it reduces the low frequency noise from the generator to almost nothing. It's amazing what it will do in a supposedly quiet house. 73 -Jim -- Ham Radio NU0C Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.S.A. TR7/RV7/R7A/L7, TR6/RV6, T4XC/R4C/L4B, NCL2000, SB104A, R390A, GT550A/RV550A, HyGain 3750, IBM PS/2 - all vintage, all the time! Give a man a URL, and he will learn for an hour; teach him to Google, and he will learn for a lifetime. HyGain 3750 User's Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyGain_3750/ http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney http://www.nebraskaghosts.org ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] r4b transformer
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:32:25 EST, ph...@aol.com wrote: FYI, the R-4A early (13-tube) version power transformer runs *VERY* warm, which is normal, but is also why I use a top-mounted fan on the case directly above the transformer to draw air out of the radio. There should be no need of that with the R-4B but it is an option if the warm transformer concerns you. Whether there's a need to or not, it's always a good idea to reduce the temperature to prolong component life. 73 -Jim -- Ham Radio NU0C Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.S.A. TR7/RV7/R7A/L7, TR6/RV6, T4XC/R4C/L4B, NCL2000, SB104A, R390A, GT550A/RV550A, HyGain 3750, IBM PS/2 - all vintage, all the time! Give a man a URL, and he will learn for an hour; teach him to Google, and he will learn for a lifetime. HyGain 3750 User's Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyGain_3750/ http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney http://www.nebraskaghosts.org ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] r4b transformer
Jim Shorney wrote: On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:32:25 EST, ph...@aol.com wrote: FYI, the R-4A early (13-tube) version power transformer runs *VERY* warm, which is normal, but is also why I use a top-mounted fan on the case directly above the transformer to draw air out of the radio. There should be no need of that with the R-4B but it is an option if the warm transformer concerns you. Whether there's a need to or not, it's always a good idea to reduce the temperature to prolong component life. 73 -Jim Agreed, added cooling NEVER hurts. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] DSP Filters
My experience is just the opposite. I use a Timewave S9+ with both my R7 and R4C. The Time waves work splendidly with my Drakes, and reduce noise to the point that these old receivers compare favorably with the modern rice boxes.. K0GFY R. Hunter Ellington 303-454-0543/720-560-8139 P.O. Box 44 Larkspur, CO 80118 Sent From My iphone. ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP Filters
Hunter, When you say that, is your usage mostly CW/Digital or SSB?? I am just curious, as most of the time I hear this, they really mean on CW. If that's not the case, I'm interested in trying that as I LOVE the mellow sound of my R4(X)'s but they sometimes need just a little more help, if you know what I mean. Tks, Don, WB5HAK___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP Filters
I agree. The Timewave s 9 works great with my R4C. You really need to read the manual, and practice and re-read the manual again. LOL. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Hunter Ellington wb9...@yahoo.com Sender: drakelist-bounces@zerobeat.netDate: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 15:28:39 To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: [Drakelist] DSP Filters ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP Filters
I agree. I use a s9+ with my R-4C and TR-3, for CW, SSB, and RTTY. It is quite helpful. 73,Bob WW3QB --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Hunter Ellington wb9...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Hunter Ellington wb9...@yahoo.com Subject: [Drakelist] DSP Filters To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 6:28 PM My experience is just the opposite. I use a Timewave S9+ with both my R7 and R4C. The Time waves work splendidly with my Drakes, and reduce noise to the point that these old receivers compare favorably with the modern rice boxes.. K0GFY R. Hunter Ellington 303-454-0543/720-560-8139 P.O. Box 44 Larkspur, CO 80118 Sent From My iphone. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] Adding DSP to a R-4C
Thanks guys for the suggestions, duly noted ham fest season is just around the corner. My receiver does have the Sherwood audio amp mode in it and it is really surprising how clean the audio is. To be honest I might try the Timewave on my OMNI 6. Don Jones KO7i Arlington, WA Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:20:27 -0800 From: Jim Bo jbol...@verizon.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: My Drake/Sherwood R-4C Rules my shack! (Don Jones) IMHO, the only thing that is better than what Don describes is the R-4C as he describes BUT...use a Timewave 599ZX with a pair of noise canceling earphones (the Bose are expensive, but quite comfortable). The Timewave has a superior audio amp and I set up the filter as a bandpass with the low end at ~300 Hz and the high end at 1,500 Hz. This helps with the low end rumble and the high end atmosphere noise and makes the radio even more enjoyable. I rarely use the other features of the DSP filter, but on occasion, the Random function does help. Only on few occasions do I use the CW function of the DSP. It does help also, but for the most part, the R-4C audio into the DSP filter is clean. I have recently aligned my R-4C and used the headphone jack with out the Timewave and again realized what a huge difference it makes. The DSP filter is not low cost, but I got it 10 years ago and it is still a viable solution. I am sure that there are lower cost filters out there, but can not attest to the audio amps on them. One of the cost drivers of the 599ZX is the ability to go to 5 kHz as the upper cut off frequency. This compares to others that have a cut off at 3 kHz or so. For amateur radio, the 3 kHz is fine, but I also use the 599ZX with my Drake R-8B for BCBDX and Beacons. Jim WA9ZBV Orange, CA ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP Filters
The add on DSP units are audio DSP filters and they can be very effective. The OMNI VI+ has a very effective one. They can be used with or without the roofing filter in the first IF. As there are various needs for cw and for SSB, the roofing filter will also change. So, for ssb, a 3KC filter would be good, the 600 cycle or lower for cw would be applicable. All the roofing filter does is to limit the necessarily wide bandwidth of the front end from abusing the first IF and later stages. When this happens, IMD occurs and other strange generated noises are present that travel thru the set. Stopping the mess at the first IF allows the rest of the radio to perform efficiently and cleanly. The noise filter on the audio, only helps when some crud does slip into the roofing filter passband. Sherwood sells a switch kit that varies the AGC and has a concentric switch that can select one or more of the roofing filters. You do not have to elect to have a cw or ssb filter only; with the switch you can have what you wish, even both. So, if you want optimal, get the roofing filter for the mode or modes that you want and if necessary (generally only occasionally) get the audio DSP. Note that in most models, the roofing filter can be switched with an unused lug on the filter switch. You will need to look/see if you have this. Good luck. David Assaf, III W5XU From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of Hunter Ellington Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:29 PM To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: [Drakelist] DSP Filters My experience is just the opposite. I use a Timewave S9+ with both my R7 and R4C. The Time waves work splendidly with my Drakes, and reduce noise to the point that these old receivers compare favorably with the modern rice boxes.. K0GFY R. Hunter Ellington 303-454-0543/720-560-8139 P.O. Box 44 Larkspur, CO 80118 Sent From My iphone. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3424 - Release Date: 02/05/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] DSP filters with Drakes
On Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:43:39 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: My Philips are actually more folding. They are full over the ear type and very comfortable. The cheapo Chinese onse are fully folding, but I hate to use them much becuase they feel like they will break at any moment. Otherwise, they do seem to work well. I've got two styles of the Airman - interestingly, the older one with the full over-the-ear muffs is articulated to fold at the ends, but not in the middle of the headband like the cheapos; the newer style Airman with on-the-ear muffs does not fold at all. Most people seem to prefer the older one for comfort, and they do a better job of sealing out external noise without the NC on. I get good reports on transmit as well. 73 -Jim -- Ham Radio NU0C Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.S.A. TR7/RV7/R7A/L7, TR6/RV6, T4XC/R4C/L4B, NCL2000, SB104A, R390A, GT550A/RV550A, HyGain 3750, IBM PS/2 - all vintage, all the time! Give a man a URL, and he will learn for an hour; teach him to Google, and he will learn for a lifetime. HyGain 3750 User's Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyGain_3750/ http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney http://www.nebraskaghosts.org ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
