Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
In a message dated 3/16/2011 9:50:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k4...@mindspring.com writes: It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? Yes, it was. 73/Paul, K4MSG ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
I could convert my T-4X back to T-4 if a front panel can be obtained, and increase the resale value. hi. My special edition T-4X's ser# is 0274, so I am guessing there are about 250 T-4 made/sold. Kihwal K9SUL From: ph...@aol.com ph...@aol.com To: k...@merschrod.net; n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 8:28:29 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello,the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raisesthe question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - niceand simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. thathas been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 WarrenRoad Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To:drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am gladto learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and Ihad it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for arepair. - Original Message - From: KihwalLee kih...@yahoo.com To:drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serialnumber This is from Bill Frost about the specialedition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - OriginalMessage From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To:Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X wasoriginally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a bigseller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and convertedinto T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. Theserial number stayed the same, as it was alreadystamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73,Bill ___ Drakelist mailinglist Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelistmailinglist Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] T-4s CONVERT
kih...@yahoo.com writes: I could convert my T-4X back to T-4 if a front panel can be obtained, and increase the resale value. hi. Well this is your lucky day... How about a brand new T4 front panel (unpunched) , chassis (bare), inner chassis lid, and outer cabinet. And what might it be worth to you. Carl WD8NHK ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
The NOVICE prohibition was still in effect when I had my Novice license back in 1967,The T4 had provisions on the side for one fixed crystal to be inserted, could be used for Novice. But when mated to the R4, it was VFO only. The TR-44 with a T4 had provisions on the side for up to 10 fixed frequencies with a selector switch on the front for the crystals. Ron / WB4HFN -Original Message- From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of Garey Barrell Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:49 AM To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
Garey: In 1960, I was a NOVICE (WN6BTS) and there was, indeed, a prohibition against using VFO's. All novice license holders had to use only crystal controlled Xmitters. I made mine out of old TV parts and a 6146, grinding down some old crystals with sandpaper that older hams had given me. Terry K7WLD Wenatchee, WA -Original Message- From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of Garey Barrell Sent: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011 06:49 To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5958 (20110316) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5958 (20110316) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION
Terrell and others - OK, thanks. I got my Novice in 1957, but didn't know how long the prohibition lasted. I got my General about four months after my Novice, so didn't have to worry about it! :-) I knew the 2-NT was definitely addressed to the crystal controlled Novice licensee, and has a '75 Watt' input mark on the PLATE meter. I don't think the T-4 had that mark, and that made me doubt a little! MANY of us built our first transmitter out of old TV parts in those days. I was flush, I had TWO crystals in the 80M Novice band. My 'receiver' was a BC-454 'ARC-5', and the IF was just about as wide as the Novice band. The entire band was about 1/8 wide on the dial, so didn't have to tune much.. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Terrell Hamilton wrote: Garey: In 1960, I was a NOVICE (WN6BTS) and there was, indeed, a prohibition against using VFO's. All novice license holders had to use only crystal controlled Xmitters. I made mine out of old TV parts and a 6146, grinding down some old crystals with sandpaper that older hams had given me. Terry K7WLD Wenatchee, WA -Original Message- From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of Garey Barrell Sent: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011 06:49 To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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I must have been on the tail end of the novice VFO ban. I was licensed in the early summer (May, I think) of 1972, and STILL had that requirement. I'm not sure when it was actually lifted. Fun times, sending CQ on 15m and hunting the entire novice segment for a reply, HI. I only had a handful of crystals, and 99% were only good on 15m. Still my favorite band to this day though, and starting to open some. 73, Don, WB5HAK ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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Garey, When I got my Novice in 1964...75 watts crystal control ony was my rules... 73, Lee Lee Simmonds Summit DCS LLC 260-799-4077 Office 260-403-6936 Cell -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell k4...@mindspring.com To: drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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All I had were a couple of 80 meter crystals - try to work all states on one frequency - it is a chore that I have yet to finish and now they shifted the 80 meter band! Then I found a VF-1 and was able to do a lot more. But, as pointed out, the filters were not that narrow and with today's precision some would call it operating split! Happy Aaint Paddy's day to all! Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Garey Barrell k4...@mindspring.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Terrell and others - OK, thanks. I got my Novice in 1957, but didn't know how long the prohibition lasted. I got my General about four months after my Novice, so didn't have to worry about it! :-) I knew the 2-NT was definitely addressed to the crystal controlled Novice licensee, and has a '75 Watt' input mark on the PLATE meter. I don't think the T-4 had that mark, and that made me doubt a little! MANY of us built our first transmitter out of old TV parts in those days. I was flush, I had TWO crystals in the 80M Novice band. My 'receiver' was a BC-454 'ARC-5', and the IF was just about as wide as the Novice band. The entire band was about 1/8 wide on the dial, so didn't have to tune much.. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Terrell Hamilton wrote: Garey: In 1960, I was a NOVICE (WN6BTS) and there was, indeed, a prohibition against using VFO's. All novice license holders had to use only crystal controlled Xmitters. I made mine out of old TV parts and a 6146, grinding down some old crystals with sandpaper that older hams had given me. Terry K7WLD Wenatchee, WA -Original Message- From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of Garey Barrell Sent: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011 06:49 To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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Got mine in 1963. I had three crystals for 40M and two for 80M. My buddies and I used to swap xtals periodically so we could operate new frequencies. The best part of getting the General license was being able to then use a VFO. That was a GREAT motivator! 73, Stew K3ND (ex KN3ZOL) - Original Message From: kc9...@aol.com kc9...@aol.com To: k4...@mindspring.com; drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 1:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Garey, When I got my Novice in 1964...75 watts crystal control ony was my rules... 73, Lee Lee Simmonds Summit DCS LLC 260-799-4077 Office 260-403-6936 Cell -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell k4...@mindspring.com To: drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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I qualified for my Novice ticket in the 70s after VFOs were allowed. When I subsequently passed my Advanced Class exam, I was amazed - all that space! 73, Bob AD3K -Original Message- From: drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net [mailto:drakelist-boun...@zerobeat.net] On Behalf Of GALE STEWARD Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:29 PM To: Drake Reflector Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Got mine in 1963. I had three crystals for 40M and two for 80M. My buddies and I used to swap xtals periodically so we could operate new frequencies. The best part of getting the General license was being able to then use a VFO. That was a GREAT motivator! 73, Stew K3ND (ex KN3ZOL) - Original Message From: kc9...@aol.com kc9...@aol.com To: k4...@mindspring.com; drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 1:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Garey, When I got my Novice in 1964...75 watts crystal control ony was my rules... 73, Lee Lee Simmonds Summit DCS LLC 260-799-4077 Office 260-403-6936 Cell -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell k4...@mindspring.com To: drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION Lee - A T-4 was an early 4 Series transmitter that had no PTO or BAND Oscillator. It was only able to transmit in TRANSCEIVE under RCVR control with an R-4(any), or under crystal control. There is a photo of one on the front cover of the T-4X manual, and the schematic is in the back of the manual. It's essentially a schematic of the T-4X with a couple of large white spaces! :-) It was sold for a while with a stacking cabinet to make a 'transceiver' with more receiver features than a TR-4. They were originally sold with the 'feature' that they could be 'upgraded' at the factory by adding a PTO and BAND Oscillator with a new front panel. I think it sold for $270 as opposed to $380 for the T-4X. It just occurred to me, I wonder if it had anything to do with the NOVICE prohibition against transmitter VFOs. I don't recall if that prohibition was still around in 1961...?? The photo was on the front panel of the T-4XB manual, and I have seen ONE T-4B, but I doubt if more than 300-400 of both models were sold, if that. We just saw one here that had a serial number of 254, and it was an 'end of life' convert according to Bill Frost. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com kc9...@aol.com wrote: I thougt a T4 was a T4, what is the conversion you speak about? 73, Lee -Original Message- From: Phbjr ph...@aol.com To: Kris k...@merschrod.net; n4ws n...@frontiernet.net; drakelist drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Drakelist] CONVERSION OF T-4s RAISES QUESTION If I could find a decent T-4 I'd buy it in a heartbeat 73/Paul, K4MSG In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:26:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k...@merschrod.net writes: Hello, the conversion of the T-4s at Drake and also by Drake for customers raises the question of Just how many T-4 reciters of both the w and w/o speakers are there out there? I enjoy the T-4 with the R-4 - nice and simple. Bill's 0018 has to be one of the earliest alive. that has been converted. Kris KM2KM Merschrod 123 Warren Road Ithaca, NY 14850 www.merschrod.net - Original Message - From: Bill n...@frontiernet.net To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number I am glad to learn about the T-4 reciter's serial numbers. Mine is 0018 and I had it converted to a T-4X when I sent the unit in for a repair. - Original Message - From: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com To: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number This is from Bill Frost about the special edition T-4X. Kihwal K9SUL - Original Message From: Bill Frost wd8...@yahoo.com To: Kihwal Lee kih...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 11:57:02 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] Strange serial number Hello Kihwal, If memory serves, I believe your T-4X was originally built as a T-4 reciter. The T-4 was not a big seller, so somewhere around the end of the life of the T-4X, the T-4's that were in stock, where unpacked and converted into T-4X's by adding the VFO sub-assembly. The serial number stayed the same, as it was already stamped on the chassis, carton, etc. 73, Bill http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
