Re: [Dri-devel] DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread David D. Hagood
Could the list be set up to:
1) maintain a list of email addresses that have been verified GOOD.
2) maintain a list of email addresses that have been verified BAD (e.g. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]).
3) Check all inbound messages, such that:
  3a) If the message is from an email subscribed to the list, ACCEPT.
  3b) If the message is from a verified GOOD email, ACCEPT.
  3c) If the message is from a verified BAD email, REJECT.
  3d) Otherwise, hold message for 1 week, and send message to sender 
asking for confirmation.
  3e) If no confirmation received after 1 week, purge message.
  3f) If confirmation received, add sender to GOOD list and post message.

That way, everything is automated, 99.9% of the spams will be dropped, 
and any spammers that DO confirm can be moved from the good list to the 
bad list.



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[Dri-devel] DRIInfoRec, Identifiers and DRI Configuration

2003-02-15 Thread D. Hageman

Felix and I have been slowing working on a more solidified design of 
the DRI configuration idea that has been discussed on this list a couple 
of times.  During our last public discussion in which we were talking 
about configuration file formats we attempted to find a item in which to 
key everything else from.  We played around with using Screens and driver 
names, but in the end we were looking at keying off the device identifier.  
At this time I still believe that is the best thing to use, but we have
no way at this time of grabbing such information from inside a DRI driver. 

What I would like to do is add a field to the DRIInfoRec struct:

char* cardIdentifier or char* configIdentifier

It seems to be the most logical route since most of these type of options 
already exist there:

  /* device info */
  char*   drmDriverName;
  char*   clientDriverName;
  char*   busIdString;

This option would set in the DRIScreenInit much like the busIdString is
set during initialization.  Does anyone see any issues with this or does 
anyone have any technical objections on why this shouldn't be done?

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Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Some DRM related changes for running multiple i810/830M X servers

2003-02-15 Thread David Dawes
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 06:24:50PM -0500, Leif Delgass wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, David Dawes wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> There are some more serious things holding up 4.3, including the issue
>> that Leif mentioned here a couple of days ago.  I haven't seen anyone
>> comment on his proposed solution for that one either...
>> 
>> David
>
>I was wondering about that myself. :) I'll reiterate the problem, but this
>time with a patch to give people something more concrete to comment on.  
>This is, I think, the easiest and quickest fix, if not necessarily the
>most correct.  This patch does the following:

Thanks Leif.  I'll commit that now.  If it needs any further fine tuning
we can do that later.

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Re: [Dri-devel] DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 08:35:02PM -0500, Leif Delgass wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:34:45 -0700, Brian Paul wrote:
> > > Smitty wrote:
> > > >Hi Rich
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>Is there anything that can be done to cut down the spam on dri-devel? 
> > > >>>Several other mailing lists I'm on hold submissions by non-subscribers
> > > >>>for approval. I'd even be willing to sort the non-subscribed emails,
> > > >>>so that everyone else could avoid them...
> > > >
> > > >That would be great, its really starting to get on my tits now.
> > > >
> > > >What you've mentioned has been suggested by Alex in response to one of my
> > > >emails about this.
> > > >
> > > >I've tried contacting the list mainatiner privately but it would appear
> > > >that the maintainer listed under dri-devel list info is incorrect.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >>I've just started running bogofilter on all incoming email, myself,
> > > >>though yeah, it'd be nice if it weren't so necessary.
> > > >
> > > >I'm on the dri-digest(s) option so I just live with it.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >>>Or am I just being obnoxious?
> > > >>
> > > >>Less so than the spammers. :)
> > > >
> > > >I skipped your email because of the subject line.  
> > > 
> > > I'd be happy to see postings restricted to subscribers too.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, I don't know what the list-admin password is.  Maybe Daryll 
> > > or Rik do?
> > 
> > I could do it, but I don't think it's a good idea to restrict those
> > who are non-members of the list. Cross postings from the xfree86 lists
> > are sometimes useful.
> > 
> > Alan.
> 
> What about dri-patches?  It gets all the same spam that -devel and -users
> do.  I don't see any reason not to restrict posting to that list to
> project members.  Of course, there may be people with commit access that
> aren't subscribed.  Is there a way to restrict it to sourceforge accounts 
> rather than the subscriber list?

I've set the restriction on dri-patches and added @users.sourceforge.net
to the list of acceptable posters. That should cover the non-subscribed
committers.

Alan.


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Re: [Dri-devel] mach64-0-0-6-branch

2003-02-15 Thread Eric Anholt
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 20:11, Leif Delgass wrote: 
> I've opened a new mach64 branch (mach64-0-0-6-branch), which has now been
> updated from the current DRI trunk with X 4.2.99.2 and Mesa 5.x.  I've
> updated the mach64 driver to Mesa 5 based on the changes to the Rage 128
> driver.  Testing hasn't shown any problems so far.
> 
> I haven't adapted the mach64 drm to the os-independence changes yet.  I
> could start this, but we are going to need a generic replacement for the
> pci_alloc_consistent Linux interface.  I think it's probably best to hold 
> off on making that switch, pending the changes Jose has proposed:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg08243.html
> 
> In the meantime, the drm can still be compiled and used from the old linux
> kernel directory like the other drivers which have yet to be converted.
>   
> I'd recommend that people using the mach64-0-0-5-branch from CVS update to
> this new branch and report any regressions or new bugs to the list.  
> Sometime in the next few weeks, I'll also be updating the GATOS Xvideo
> patch available at the site in my sig.  Since the GATOS head is now based
> on current XFree86 cvs, I may not have a new patch until 4.3.0 is released
> and changes get propagated back to the DRI and GATOS trees.

I've been working on this locally a little, but haven't tackled the
pci_alloc_consistent in a proper manner yet (the corresponding interface
for us is bus_dma, which I am just beginning to understand while working
on ati_pcigart.h/drm_scatter.h conversion).

If you would approve of me moving the mach64 files to shared/drm/kernel,
I could at least work on things incrementally (much of this stuff is
mechanical changes), and then hopefully provide something pretty to
review for pci_alloc_consistent.

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[Dri-devel] system lockup when KMess draws to screen while OpenGL screensaver is running

2003-02-15 Thread Alvin Garcia
Hello,
	I'm experiencing the following behavior on my IBM A20p ThinkPad with an ATI 
Rage Mobility M3 video card, running XFree86-4.2.  When certain GL 
screensavers are running, the entire system locks up (requiring a hard boot) 
when the messaging client I'm using (KMess 0.9.8, for KDE 3.x) draws a 
notification balloon to the screen.  From the experimentation I've done, 
this appears to only happen with GL screensavers.  Furthermore, it only 
happens with some of them:  When running the "Flux" screensaver that comes 
with KDE 3.1, the drawing of the notification balloon will lockup the 
system.  When running another GL screensaver (KEuphoria), the screensaver 
will only appear to skip frames (jerky motion) when KMess' notification 
balloon appears on screen, but then it will resume normal behavior once the 
notification balloon has disappeared.

I've spent a fair amount of time searching the dri-devel and dri-users 
mailing list archives, but could find no report of similar problems.  
Perhaps I'm not entering appropriate queries.

I'm not sure what info would be useful to include here, so I've pasted the 
output of 'glxinfo' and 'xvinfo' below.

Thanks for any suggestions!
Alvin

'glxinfo' output:

display: :0.0  screen:0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
   GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.2
client glx extensions:
   GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
GLX extensions:
   GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
OpenGL vendor string: VA Linux Systems, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Rage128 20010405 M3 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE
OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 3.4.2
OpenGL extensions:
   GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr,
   GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_histogram,
   GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal,
   GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
   GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_vertex_array,
   GL_MESA_window_pos, GL_MESA_resize_buffers, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
   GL_PGI_misc_hints, GL_SGIS_pixel_texture, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
   GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

  visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
--
0x23 16 tc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x24 16 tc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 Slow
0x25 16 tc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  0 16 16 16  0  0 0 Slow
0x26 16 tc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  0 0 Slow
0x27 16 dc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x28 16 dc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 Slow
0x29 16 dc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  0 16 16 16  0  0 0 Slow
0x2a 16 dc  0 16  0 r  y  .  5  6  5  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  0 0 Slow

'xvinfo' output:

X-Video Extension version 2.2
screen #0
 Adaptor #0: "ATI Rage128 Video Overlay"
   number of ports: 1
   port base: 59
   operations supported: PutImage
   supported visuals:
 depth 16, visualID 0x23
 depth 16, visualID 0x24
 depth 16, visualID 0x25
 depth 16, visualID 0x26
 depth 16, visualID 0x27
 depth 16, visualID 0x28
 depth 16, visualID 0x29
 depth 16, visualID 0x2a
   number of attributes: 4
 "XV_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 16777215)
 client settable attribute
 client gettable attribute (current value is 30)
 "XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -64 to 63)
 client settable attribute
 client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
 "XV_SATURATION" (range 0 to 31)
 client settable attribute
 client gettable attribute (current value is 16)
 "XV_DOUBLE_BUFFER" (range 0 to 1)
 client settable attribute
 client gettable attribute (current value is 1)
   maximum XvImage size: 2048 x 2048
   Number of image formats: 4
 id: 0x32595559 (YUY2)
   guid: 59555932--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
   bits per pixel: 16
   number of planes: 1
   type: YUV (packed)
 id: 0x59565955 (UYVY)
   guid: 55595659--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
   bits per pixel: 16
   number of planes: 1
   type: YUV (packed)
 id: 0x32315659 (YV12)
   guid: 59563132--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
   bits per pixel: 12
   number of planes: 3
   type: YUV (planar)
 id: 0x30323449 (I420)
   guid: 49343230--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
   bits per pixel: 12
   number of planes: 3
   type: YUV (planar)





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[Dri-devel] Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:

>> I could do it, but I don't think it's a good idea to restrict those
>> who are non-members of the list. Cross postings from the xfree86 lists
>> are sometimes useful.
>> 
>> Alan.
>
>What about dri-patches?  It gets all the same spam that -devel and -users
>do.  I don't see any reason not to restrict posting to that list to
>project members.  Of course, there may be people with commit access that
>aren't subscribed.  Is there a way to restrict it to sourceforge accounts 
>rather than the subscriber list?

Why not just have posts from non-members moderated?  They would 
get held long enough for someone to look at them and go "ah, this 
is not spam", then accept the message for posting.  Of course, 
that would mean a message would get held until a moderator could 
look at it.

I do this on our xfree86-list, and it works well.  I dunno if 
that would be something one of the list maintainers would want to 
do or not though.  Just a suggestion nonetheless.

On the other side of things, spamassassin rocks.  It nails almost 
all of my spam.  A good 93% to date anyway.


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[Dri-devel] Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, David D. Hagood wrote:

>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:23:08 -0600
>From: David D. Hagood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>List-Id: 
>Subject: Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner
>
>Could the list be set up to:
>1) maintain a list of email addresses that have been verified GOOD.
>2) maintain a list of email addresses that have been verified BAD (e.g. 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>3) Check all inbound messages, such that:
>   3a) If the message is from an email subscribed to the list, ACCEPT.
>   3b) If the message is from a verified GOOD email, ACCEPT.
>   3c) If the message is from a verified BAD email, REJECT.
>   3d) Otherwise, hold message for 1 week, and send message to sender 
>asking for confirmation.
>   3e) If no confirmation received after 1 week, purge message.
>   3f) If confirmation received, add sender to GOOD list and post message.
>
>That way, everything is automated, 99.9% of the spams will be dropped, 
>and any spammers that DO confirm can be moved from the good list to the 
>bad list.

spamassassin does probably better spam filtering than any 
homebrew mechanism someone could come up with in a short amount 
of time.  That handles getting rid of the BAD posts, and with 
very low false positives.  I get about 0.5% false positives.  
With minor tweaking it would be 0 though.

As for #1 above, the list of addresses verfied "GOOD" would be 
those who subscribed to the list in the first place.

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Re: [Dri-devel] mach64-0-0-6-branch

2003-02-15 Thread Leif Delgass
On 15 Feb 2003, Eric Anholt wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 20:11, Leif Delgass wrote: 
> > I've opened a new mach64 branch (mach64-0-0-6-branch), which has now been
> > updated from the current DRI trunk with X 4.2.99.2 and Mesa 5.x.  I've
> > updated the mach64 driver to Mesa 5 based on the changes to the Rage 128
> > driver.  Testing hasn't shown any problems so far.
> > 
> > I haven't adapted the mach64 drm to the os-independence changes yet.  I
> > could start this, but we are going to need a generic replacement for the
> > pci_alloc_consistent Linux interface.  I think it's probably best to hold 
> > off on making that switch, pending the changes Jose has proposed:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg08243.html
> > 
> > In the meantime, the drm can still be compiled and used from the old linux
> > kernel directory like the other drivers which have yet to be converted.
> >   
> > I'd recommend that people using the mach64-0-0-5-branch from CVS update to
> > this new branch and report any regressions or new bugs to the list.  
> > Sometime in the next few weeks, I'll also be updating the GATOS Xvideo
> > patch available at the site in my sig.  Since the GATOS head is now based
> > on current XFree86 cvs, I may not have a new patch until 4.3.0 is released
> > and changes get propagated back to the DRI and GATOS trees.
> 
> I've been working on this locally a little, but haven't tackled the
> pci_alloc_consistent in a proper manner yet (the corresponding interface
> for us is bus_dma, which I am just beginning to understand while working
> on ati_pcigart.h/drm_scatter.h conversion).
> 
> If you would approve of me moving the mach64 files to shared/drm/kernel,
> I could at least work on things incrementally (much of this stuff is
> mechanical changes), and then hopefully provide something pretty to
> review for pci_alloc_consistent.

As long as the Linux build still works, that's fine by me.  If you want to 
create the makefile links, move it to shared, and work on macro-izing the 
ioctls and whatnot, go for it.  I was going to do this eventually, but if 
you're eager to get started, that's great.  Of course, this will all have 
to happen in the mach64-0-0-6-branch for now, until we get the DRM 
interface/security changes done.

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Re: [Dri-devel] Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread Leif Delgass
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:
> 
> >> I could do it, but I don't think it's a good idea to restrict those
> >> who are non-members of the list. Cross postings from the xfree86 lists
> >> are sometimes useful.
> >> 
> >> Alan.
> >
> >What about dri-patches?  It gets all the same spam that -devel and -users
> >do.  I don't see any reason not to restrict posting to that list to
> >project members.  Of course, there may be people with commit access that
> >aren't subscribed.  Is there a way to restrict it to sourceforge accounts 
> >rather than the subscriber list?
> 
> Why not just have posts from non-members moderated?  They would 
> get held long enough for someone to look at them and go "ah, this 
> is not spam", then accept the message for posting.  Of course, 
> that would mean a message would get held until a moderator could 
> look at it.
> 
> I do this on our xfree86-list, and it works well.  I dunno if 
> that would be something one of the list maintainers would want to 
> do or not though.  Just a suggestion nonetheless.
> 
> On the other side of things, spamassassin rocks.  It nails almost 
> all of my spam.  A good 93% to date anyway.

I think spam filtering for dri-devel and dri-users would be a good
solution -- IMO, that would be better than moderation.  For dri-patches,
the Reply-To is dri-devel.  I'd rather have just commit messages and
nothing else on dri-patches.  Any comments/replies to specific patches, or
posts dealing with CVS should go to dri-devel anyway.  That's why I
suggested limiting just dri-patches to sourceforge addresses.

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[Dri-devel] Your message to Dri-patches awaits moderator approval (fwd)

2003-02-15 Thread Leif Delgass
Speaking of Dri-patches... ;)

There seems to be a problem with the @users.sourceforge.net wildcard
address in the subscriber list.  I'm subscribed to Dri-patches, but not
with my sourceforge email.

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Subject: Your message to Dri-patches awaits moderator approval

Your mail to 'Dri-patches' with the subject

CVS Update: xc (branch: mesa-4-0-4-branch)

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.



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Re: [Dri-devel] Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread D. Hageman

I have only been glancing at this thread, but basically it comes down to 
this - If the spam bothers you that much setup spam filtering on your 
personal machine and be done with it.  We waste more time and bandwidth 
talking about what "should" be done (with the list) then actually doing 
what really "should" be done (with dri).  Just my thoughts ...



On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:
> > 
> > >> I could do it, but I don't think it's a good idea to restrict those
> > >> who are non-members of the list. Cross postings from the xfree86 lists
> > >> are sometimes useful.
> > >> 
> > >> Alan.
> > >
> > >What about dri-patches?  It gets all the same spam that -devel and -users
> > >do.  I don't see any reason not to restrict posting to that list to
> > >project members.  Of course, there may be people with commit access that
> > >aren't subscribed.  Is there a way to restrict it to sourceforge accounts 
> > >rather than the subscriber list?
> > 
> > Why not just have posts from non-members moderated?  They would 
> > get held long enough for someone to look at them and go "ah, this 
> > is not spam", then accept the message for posting.  Of course, 
> > that would mean a message would get held until a moderator could 
> > look at it.
> > 
> > I do this on our xfree86-list, and it works well.  I dunno if 
> > that would be something one of the list maintainers would want to 
> > do or not though.  Just a suggestion nonetheless.
> > 
> > On the other side of things, spamassassin rocks.  It nails almost 
> > all of my spam.  A good 93% to date anyway.
> 
> I think spam filtering for dri-devel and dri-users would be a good
> solution -- IMO, that would be better than moderation.  For dri-patches,
> the Reply-To is dri-devel.  I'd rather have just commit messages and
> nothing else on dri-patches.  Any comments/replies to specific patches, or
> posts dealing with CVS should go to dri-devel anyway.  That's why I
> suggested limiting just dri-patches to sourceforge addresses.
> 
> 

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Re: [Dri-devel] DRIInfoRec, Identifiers and DRI Configuration

2003-02-15 Thread Philip Brown
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:24:26PM -0600, D. Hageman wrote:
>...  We played around with using Screens and driver 
> names, but in the end we were looking at keying off the device identifier.  
> At this time I still believe that is the best thing to use, but we have
> no way at this time of grabbing such information from inside a DRI driver. 
> 
> What I would like to do is add a field to the DRIInfoRec struct:
> 
> char* cardIdentifier or char* configIdentifier
> ...
> 
> This option would set in the DRIScreenInit much like the busIdString is
> set during initialization.  Does anyone see any issues with this or does 
> anyone have any technical objections on why this shouldn't be done?

I'm coming from a solaris driver background (and am actively working on a
drm port to solaris)
 
In solaris, it is much more common (practically required, really) that driver 
"instances" are bound to a particular piece of hardware, by the OS level
driver loading proceedures.
  [This is because the OS is very rigid about deciding where to send
   interrupt notifications to]

As such, instances of drm in solaris already come associated with a
particular video card.

I would like to see a model where, instead of the X server telling
/dev/drm/card0, "You are bound to this card", the **drm** driver tells
the X server, "I am associated with this card ".
 (here is the base address, here is the PCI id, etc, etc)

I think this is a much cleaner overall design.
After all, you dont open /dev/fbX and tell it, 
  "I want you to be associated with this video card now..."




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Re: [Dri-devel] Re: DRI Mailing list maintanence / maintaner

2003-02-15 Thread Leif Delgass
What about people getting the list as a digest?  Also, the spam ends 
up in the mail archives.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, D. Hageman wrote:

> 
> I have only been glancing at this thread, but basically it comes down to 
> this - If the spam bothers you that much setup spam filtering on your 
> personal machine and be done with it.  We waste more time and bandwidth 
> talking about what "should" be done (with the list) then actually doing 
> what really "should" be done (with dri).  Just my thoughts ...
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Leif Delgass wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> I could do it, but I don't think it's a good idea to restrict those
> > > >> who are non-members of the list. Cross postings from the xfree86 lists
> > > >> are sometimes useful.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Alan.
> > > >
> > > >What about dri-patches?  It gets all the same spam that -devel and -users
> > > >do.  I don't see any reason not to restrict posting to that list to
> > > >project members.  Of course, there may be people with commit access that
> > > >aren't subscribed.  Is there a way to restrict it to sourceforge accounts 
> > > >rather than the subscriber list?
> > > 
> > > Why not just have posts from non-members moderated?  They would 
> > > get held long enough for someone to look at them and go "ah, this 
> > > is not spam", then accept the message for posting.  Of course, 
> > > that would mean a message would get held until a moderator could 
> > > look at it.
> > > 
> > > I do this on our xfree86-list, and it works well.  I dunno if 
> > > that would be something one of the list maintainers would want to 
> > > do or not though.  Just a suggestion nonetheless.
> > > 
> > > On the other side of things, spamassassin rocks.  It nails almost 
> > > all of my spam.  A good 93% to date anyway.
> > 
> > I think spam filtering for dri-devel and dri-users would be a good
> > solution -- IMO, that would be better than moderation.  For dri-patches,
> > the Reply-To is dri-devel.  I'd rather have just commit messages and
> > nothing else on dri-patches.  Any comments/replies to specific patches, or
> > posts dealing with CVS should go to dri-devel anyway.  That's why I
> > suggested limiting just dri-patches to sourceforge addresses.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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