[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: October 05, 2000

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[e-gold-list] RE: Decrease in the world's supply of gold coming?

[Sam Mc Kee]

All the gold mined in around the world in a year doesn't add up to a drop in the 
bucket of gold in circulation. 



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[e-gold-list] Re unknown deposits

[Michael Moore]

I have had  two deposits into my account  
with no corresponding orders.
 
The first is for a  Malinowski  from 
Bankers Trust in New York.
 
The second is for  a Luka Siewi  from a 
Warsaw Bank in Poland
 
If those two depositors would like their e-gold 
account funded  they have only to give me an order and claim their 
funds  (including telling me how much it is)  and their e-gold account 
number.  Other wise the funds will just...stay where they 
are!!   :)
 
 
Kind regards,
 
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[e-gold-list] Decrease in the world's supply of gold coming?

[Bob]

Or how a single government bureaucrat (who shouldn't
have this power to begin with, nor any government) 
can hurt his own country.

This wouldn't change the world's *demand* for gold though.

Bob

"Franco/Gold Fields Merger

The South African gold mining industry was blindsided recently with the
announcement that the country's  Minister of Finance declined to approve
the
merger of Gold Fields Limited  with Canadian Franco-Nevada Mining
Corporaton.
The minister cited a violation of the country's exchange control rules. 
Although it is believed that the merger received approval from the South
Afican 
Reserve Bank and other regulatory authorities, including the Securities
Regulation
Panel and the Competitions Board, it failed to receive approval from the
South 
African finace minister Trevour Manuel.

According to Mr. Manuel, an important issue is that there is no benefit
to
South Africa in the merger, which he believes would allow the new
Canadian-
based company to charge large fees to the South African based gold
mines. This
could reduce profits subject to South African taxes. Even before the
minister's 
decision, a study of the South African miniing industry stated that the
future of the
industry depends on continued production from the country's  two primary
gold 
mines, Driefontein and Kloof, both owned by Gold Fields. A reduction of
taxes 
paid from these two industry giants could have a very large effect on
the amount
of taxes paid by the industry.

Gold Fields is seeking a meeting with Mr. Manuel to respond to his
concerns.
Franco-Nevada's chairman Seymour Schulich was said to be upset by the
decision,
stating that the company has no further plans to pursue the merger, but
would be willing to listen to any revised proposal by Gold Fields or the
South
African government. Gold Fields has indicated it's intention to "seek
another 
way of concluding the deal." People close to the situation have
indicated that 
it would be difficult for Franco-Nevada  and Gold Fields to satisfy
South African 
demands to maintain the new company's primary listing in the
Johannesburg 
Stock Exchange and a seconday listing on the Toronto Exchange. This 
is the reverse of the original proposal which was primarily structured
so that 
Canadian shareholders in Franco-Nevada would not be required to pay the 
capital gains tax on their investment. Canadian law also restricts
residents 
holding more than 20 percent of their porfolios offshore, thereby
possibly 
restricting the amount of the new company, known as Gold Fields
International, 
they could hold.

The consensus seems to be that the Franco-Nevada merger with Gold Fields 
is dead. This decision may be premature as the death of this merger may 
forecast the imminent death of the South African gold mining industry.
As 
stated by Harmony Gold's Managing Director Bernard Swanepoel, "South 
African gold companies have about three years to 'make it big' on the
world's 
gold producing stage or be left behind." The merger of Franco and Gold
Fields 
would establish a world class gold mining company which will be
strengthened 
by further growth in its global portfolio as well as providing the
necessary 
capital funds needed to expand and develop the remaining opportunities
in 
South Africa. This political decision, if left to stand, will devastate
South 
Africa's ability to draw new foreign investment into the county."

By American Investment Services Inc. 
(wholly owned by the American Institute for Economic Research)
http://www.aier.org/

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[e-gold-list] Updated Swift Wire coordinates

[Reid Jackson]

Please note that the Swift Wire coordinates have changed for OmniPay
exchanges from FFR and GBP to e-metal.  See:

http://www.omnipay.net/payments.asp

Changes to follow in the near future for CAD, CHF, and JPY.

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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: October 04, 2000

[Michael Moore]

Hi John,

Thanks for the info.
I appreciate that.

Interestingly enough one of the cheques was sent in such a manner as you
describe,  through UPS to my address.
and another through FedEx direct to the bank.

Anyway  most of the funds have been recovered and policies have been put in
place that will prevent this from happening again.



Kind regards,

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- Original Message -
From: "Destiny Worldwide" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:40 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: October 04, 2000


> --
>
> Subject: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent  Urgent !!
> From: "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:36 +1000
> X-Message-Number: 24
>
> Hi  Can anyone tell me if the following is true.
>
> US  banks by law can recind cheques once cleared within 7 years  and =
> there is no come back on the bank.
>
> In other words if you cash a cheque the originating bank of that cheque =
> can during the time up to 7 years reverse that cheque and demand the =
> funds back?
> <<<
>
> I have talked to bankers here in Costa Rica in the past, and such types of
> behavior are one of their problems witht he US banking system.  It is a
very
> corrupt system.  This is what I know:
>
> 1.  Money orders are very dangerous to cahs and banks here no longer take
> them because of the level of fraud involved.  As far as I know they can be
> reversed almost any time.  I don't know the time limit, but the reversals
> were bad enought hat no bank in Costa Rica will take a money order
anymore.
> Customers can send you a money order, and then a long time later claim it
> was lost or stolen and the funds are reversed.
>
> 2.  I used to think that a cahsier's checkswas "as good as gold," but that
> is not the case either.  They can also be reversed.  I had heard the
> reversal period was something like three years, but that is bad enough.
> Fraud is apparantly not as big a problem in this area, but it is still a
> problem.  A friend of ours who is also in the offshore business had a
> customer Fedex her a $115,000.00 cashier's check.  several months later,
the
> asshole climed it was stolen.  She walked intot he bank here and was
> arrested, and told she would not be released until she refunded the money
to
> the bank.  Fortunately, she kept a photocopy of the check that proved it
> wasnt' stolen, as well as the original FEDEX envelope that proved this guy
> had sent it to her.  She got out of jail in 24 hours, but as far as I
know,
> the bnak may still be out the money while this is wrangled out on an
> internaitonal basis.
>
> I do not know if personal or business checks can be reversed like this.  I
> think that once THEY clear you have the money, but I am still not sure.
>
> We had an incident where a customer did this with a couple of money orders
> they sent us.  We had sent it to Omnipay for processing.  We assumed the
> funds were clear and issued the guy a debit card.  fortunately for us, we
> heard about the reversal form Omnipay before the card went in the mail, or
> we would have been out the money.  As is, we still had losses for card
> issuance and other fees, but at least we  did not loose the bulk of the
> money.  Omnipay told us at that time that they had enough problems like
this
> that they were considering not accepting checks or money orders anymore,
and
> now that has happened.
>
> The whle matter is bad enough that we don't want to receive large checks.
> we prefer a wire transfer for larger amounts of money.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> John
> 
> I need to know as soon as someone can be kind enough to let me know.
>
> Much thanks in advance.
> Kind regards,
>
> Michael Moore
>
> !!!
> Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
> we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
> deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
> +))

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[e-gold-list] Shonky e-gold accounts.

[Graham Kelly]

I agree with you, Khurram... perhaps someone could make a list of shocky
e-gold numbers, so we can check it against future suspicious orders.
MM access only, of course.

A MM hotline & various other mechanisms are required.

I believe that e-gold themselves will be inovative about this.

Cheers!


Graham Kelly
www.GoldNow.St
V/Mail & Fax; +1(312)777-4270

www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=103346



 Khurram Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is reason enough for all market makers to have a strict policy
> on fraud.  There is a strong need today for an "organization" of market
> makers and/or merchants.  So, if something like this happens we have
> a stronger word when it comes to getting e-gold to freeze accounts
> and maybe even giving our money back.  See you all the the Indian River
> Summit.
> 
> Khurram Khan
> 
> 
> 


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[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-today Update

[Mike McNamara]

At 8:43 AM -0700 10/5/00, Khurram Khan wrote:

>This is reason enough for all market makers to have a strict policy 
>on fraud.  There is a strong need today for an "organization" of 
>market makers and/or merchants.  So, if something like this happens 
>we have a stronger word when it comes to getting e-gold to freeze 
>accounts and maybe even giving our money back.

I find it somewhat ironic that there is such an interest in 
'stifling' the freedom of e-gold.  What ever happened to personal 
responsibility?  If you're tired of being scammed then be more 
careful.  Verify the validity of incoming funds.  If being careful 
means that you have to make your customer's wait a long time for 
their e-gold accounts to be funded then that's life.  If you want to 
impress customers with your blinding speed then *you* are assuming 
the risk.  I understand that there are situations (due mainly to 
insane US banking laws) where no reasonable amount of waiting can 
prevent being screwed.  That's just part of business unfortunately. 
You can always choose to just accept cash (better check for 
counterfeits) on a face to face basis to be ultrasafe.

A market maker "lobbyist group" simply can't prevent credit card or 
check fraud. Moreover, I don't think it's up to e-gold to hold 
anyones hand if they accept fraudulent funds.  By all means, get 
together, drink beer and share bogus CC numbers, bank account 
numbers, etc  Create a distributed database with this info and 
then share it until the cows come home!  Form an alliance!  Just 
leave e-gold out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't personally condone fraud or 
scams, but those will always exist so long as there are holes in 
banking systems and people willing to exploit them.



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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: October 04, 2000

[Destiny Worldwide]

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Subject: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent  Urgent !!
From: "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:11:36 +1000
X-Message-Number: 24

Hi  Can anyone tell me if the following is true.

US  banks by law can recind cheques once cleared within 7 years  and =
there is no come back on the bank.

In other words if you cash a cheque the originating bank of that cheque =
can during the time up to 7 years reverse that cheque and demand the =
funds back?
<<<

I have talked to bankers here in Costa Rica in the past, and such types of
behavior are one of their problems witht he US banking system.  It is a very
corrupt system.  This is what I know:

1.  Money orders are very dangerous to cahs and banks here no longer take
them because of the level of fraud involved.  As far as I know they can be
reversed almost any time.  I don't know the time limit, but the reversals
were bad enought hat no bank in Costa Rica will take a money order anymore.
Customers can send you a money order, and then a long time later claim it
was lost or stolen and the funds are reversed.

2.  I used to think that a cahsier's checkswas "as good as gold," but that
is not the case either.  They can also be reversed.  I had heard the
reversal period was something like three years, but that is bad enough.
Fraud is apparantly not as big a problem in this area, but it is still a
problem.  A friend of ours who is also in the offshore business had a
customer Fedex her a $115,000.00 cashier's check.  several months later, the
asshole climed it was stolen.  She walked intot he bank here and was
arrested, and told she would not be released until she refunded the money to
the bank.  Fortunately, she kept a photocopy of the check that proved it
wasnt' stolen, as well as the original FEDEX envelope that proved this guy
had sent it to her.  She got out of jail in 24 hours, but as far as I know,
the bnak may still be out the money while this is wrangled out on an
internaitonal basis.

I do not know if personal or business checks can be reversed like this.  I
think that once THEY clear you have the money, but I am still not sure.

We had an incident where a customer did this with a couple of money orders
they sent us.  We had sent it to Omnipay for processing.  We assumed the
funds were clear and issued the guy a debit card.  fortunately for us, we
heard about the reversal form Omnipay before the card went in the mail, or
we would have been out the money.  As is, we still had losses for card
issuance and other fees, but at least we  did not loose the bulk of the
money.  Omnipay told us at that time that they had enough problems like this
that they were considering not accepting checks or money orders anymore, and
now that has happened.

The whle matter is bad enough that we don't want to receive large checks.
we prefer a wire transfer for larger amounts of money.

Hope this helps.

John

I need to know as soon as someone can be kind enough to let me know.

Much thanks in advance.
Kind regards,

Michael Moore

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Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
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[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-today Update

[Michael Moore]

I would just like to say  that e-gold and omnipay have been extremely
helpful over this horrendous cycle.

We all acted quickly and I am told the funds were recovered from the
respective accounts..  Correct  James?

Omnipay were quick enough to freeze the accounts and retrieve the funds.
For that I thank them.  Omnipay gets knocked about a bit sometimes but I
have always found them to be polite and accomodating and with fast
serviceand I'm not just saying that.  We all get knocked about sometimes
and mostly unjustly because someone gets upset,  Kissmygold is an example.

As I will  be unable to attend the IRS (Perverse name!),  I do hope some
record will be made and kept for me as to the discussions and resultant
decisions made at the summit.

All going well  I will be able to attend the next one.

Kind regards,

Michael Moore
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- Original Message -
From: "Khurram Khan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:43 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Gold-today Update


> This is reason enough for all market makers to have a strict policy on
fraud.  There is a strong need today for an "organization" of market makers
and/or merchants.  So, if something like this happens we have a stronger
word when it comes to getting e-gold to freeze accounts and maybe even
giving our money back.  See you all the the Indian River Summit.
>
> Khurram Khan
>
>
>
> --- "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Folks,
>
> > 
>
> >An Important Update,
>
> > 
>
> >Due to the prevalence of cheque fraud and
the
>
> >tardiness of banks in general who improperly clear fraudulent
cheques only
>
> >to reverse their decision later,   Gold Today will no longer be
accepting
>
> >any cheques over 250USD.  
>
> > 
>
> >Cheques under 250USD will be subject to a
wait
>
> >period of 30 days AFTER they are cleared and PRIOR to funds being
spent
>
> >into an e-gold account.
>
> > 
>
> >The best way to get your funds into your
e-gold
>
> >account is to wire the funds direct to the bank.  No spends will be
done
>
> >until the bank tells me such wired funds are physically in the account
>
> >irregardless.
>
> > 
>
> >Go to 
>
>href="https://gold-today.com/egoldusers_cheq.htm">https://gold-today.com/eg
oldusers_cheq.htm for
>
> >full information on how to do this.
>
> > 
>
> >I regret this as the vast majority of my
customers
>
> >are honest and deserve the best possible service I can give them. I

> >face=Arial size=2>will continue to do that within the framework of the
>
> >conditions laid down on the Gold Today Site.
>
> > 
>
> > 
>
> >Kind regards,
>
> > 
>
> >Michael Moore
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> >href="http://www.gold-today.com">http://www.gold-today.comSign up
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>
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[e-gold-list] Re: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent Urgent !!

[jeff]

One of my favorite 'hobbies' is to ponder how it will all play out. An
intelligent friend, who has a degree in finance, said the US dollar
could easily be king internationally and it would not matter how much
money was printed because relatively everything would balance out. 

That is a great scenario, if I am the printer. Amazingly, he just did
not get why it is a raw deal for everyone but the printer. A simple game
of Monopoly can illustrate the pitfalls...

To me, permanently private transactions, in the larger sense, ultimately
lead to real freedom. But the road along the way should be fascinating.
What are some of the scenarios you all consider interesting? Which well
known big company will use e-gold first? When will it happen? Why? An
early adopter or because paper is burning? At what point will the
incumbent interests whine? How creative will they get?

Its great to be alive!

> Of course the banks have us by the short and curlies at the momentat
> least until e-gold is big enough.however long that will take.
> Kind regards,

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[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-today Update

[Khurram Khan]

This is reason enough for all market makers to have a strict policy on fraud.  There 
is a strong need today for an "organization" of market makers and/or merchants.  So, 
if something like this happens we have a stronger word when it comes to getting e-gold 
to freeze accounts and maybe even giving our money back.  See you all the the Indian 
River Summit.

Khurram Khan



--- "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> wrote:

>

>

>

>Folks,

> 

>An Important Update,

> 

>Due to the prevalence of cheque fraud and the 

>tardiness of banks in general who improperly clear fraudulent cheques only 

>to reverse their decision later,   Gold Today will no longer be accepting 

>any cheques over 250USD.  

> 

>Cheques under 250USD will be subject to a wait 

>period of 30 days AFTER they are cleared and PRIOR to funds being spent 

>into an e-gold account.

> 

>The best way to get your funds into your e-gold 

>account is to wire the funds direct to the bank.  No spends will be done 

>until the bank tells me such wired funds are physically in the account 

>irregardless.

> 

>Go to href="https://gold-today.com/egoldusers_cheq.htm">https://gold-today.com/egoldusers_cheq.htm for
> 

>full information on how to do this.

> 

>I regret this as the vast majority of my customers 

>are honest and deserve the best possible service I can give them. I face=Arial size=2>will continue to do that within the framework of the 

>conditions laid down on the Gold Today Site.

> 

> 

>Kind regards,

> 

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[e-gold-list] Re: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent Urgent !!

[Michael Moore]

Jeff,

Yes,  I have heard anything from 28 days up to 7 years,  It seems to be a
very grey area  and not one the banks are keen on discussing except when
they want there money.

I believe a bank should be checking for fraud prior to cl;earing a check and
will be persuing that line with the banks here.

Of course the banks have us by the short and curlies at the momentat
least until e-gold is big enough.however long that will take.
Kind regards,

Michael Moore
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- Original Message -
From: "jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:01 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent Urgent !!


> I just talked with a bank yesterday and they said another bank can get
> the money back from a fraudulent check up to 1 year later. I have not
> verified this though. I used to think once a deposited check cleared
> (max 7 days) the money was "in my bank". Not so.
>
> I asked a few banks (Wells Fargo, which has a fairly strong online
> presence) if they had an easy (electronic) method for me to see when a
> deposited check clears. "Sorry, call the issuing bank or wait for your
> statement." Lame
>
> How has 'business' made it this far with such a screwed up system (aside
> from the vast majority of people being honest)??? Despite growing pains,
> e-gold is fantastic, especially for merchants!
>
>
> > Michael Moore wrote:
> >
> > Hi  Can anyone tell me if the following is true.
> >
> > US  banks by law can recind cheques once cleared within 7 years  and
> > there is no come back on the bank.
> >
> > In other words if you cash a cheque the originating bank of that
> > cheque can during the time up to 7 years reverse that cheque and
> > demand the funds back?
> >
> > I need to know as soon as someone can be kind enough to let me know.
> >
> > Much thanks in advance.
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Michael Moore
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[e-gold-list] Re: feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM transactions

[Mike McNamara]

At 12:00 AM +1100 10/6/00, Ian Green wrote:

>ALSO ... People can buy anything from Amazon, BarnesAndNoble, or other
>stores (that accept non-US Visa card for payment) using e-gold, by letting
>me know what they want via e-mail or at
>http://aoShop.com/e-gold_shopping.htm . Just copy and paste the details into
>the web form.

Another option for buying stuff at Amazon with e-gold is:

http://www.bananagold.com/

I personally have ordered 2 books this way and it worked great!  The 
'charge' to use the system is a flat 10 percent of the order price!


Mike
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[e-gold-list] Re: Re US Banks and Cheques - Urgent Urgent !!

[jeff]

I just talked with a bank yesterday and they said another bank can get
the money back from a fraudulent check up to 1 year later. I have not
verified this though. I used to think once a deposited check cleared
(max 7 days) the money was "in my bank". Not so. 

I asked a few banks (Wells Fargo, which has a fairly strong online
presence) if they had an easy (electronic) method for me to see when a
deposited check clears. "Sorry, call the issuing bank or wait for your
statement." Lame

How has 'business' made it this far with such a screwed up system (aside
from the vast majority of people being honest)??? Despite growing pains,
e-gold is fantastic, especially for merchants!


> Michael Moore wrote:
> 
> Hi  Can anyone tell me if the following is true.
> 
> US  banks by law can recind cheques once cleared within 7 years  and
> there is no come back on the bank.
> 
> In other words if you cash a cheque the originating bank of that
> cheque can during the time up to 7 years reverse that cheque and
> demand the funds back?
> 
> I need to know as soon as someone can be kind enough to let me know.
> 
> Much thanks in advance.
> Kind regards,
> 
> Michael Moore
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.gold-today.com
> Sign up with e-gold today and get gramms of e-gold here.
> https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542
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[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-today Update

[Michael Moore]

Folks,
 
An Important Update,
 
Due to the prevalence of cheque fraud and the 
tardiness of banks in general who improperly clear fraudulent cheques only 
to reverse their decision later,   Gold Today will no longer be accepting 
any cheques over 250USD.  
 
Cheques under 250USD will be subject to a wait 
period of 30 days AFTER they are cleared and PRIOR to funds being spent 
into an e-gold account.
 
The best way to get your funds into your e-gold 
account is to wire the funds direct to the bank.  No spends will be done 
until the bank tells me such wired funds are physically in the account 
irregardless.
 
Go to https://gold-today.com/egoldusers_cheq.htm for 
full information on how to do this.
 
I regret this as the vast majority of my customers 
are honest and deserve the best possible service I can give them. I will continue to do that within the framework of the 
conditions laid down on the Gold Today Site.
 
 
Kind regards,
 
Michael Moore[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.gold-today.comSign up with 
e-gold today and get gramms of e-gold here.https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542
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[e-gold-list] RE: feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM transactions

[Ian Green]

More on http://aoshop.com/aoshop/e-gold_shopping.htm .

This is a form I wrote in early January. There are a couple of problems I
should / shall definitely fix on it.

E-gold seem to have moved the url for payments.

The link to eBay was only being considered, and does not work.

The mention of a 2% fee is no longer current. The cost is as mentioned in my
earlier email.
"Incoming e-gold for non-aoShop.com goods/services = value + 5% (min USD$5)"
(Where value = whatever the total the store charges my Visa card, including
freight.)

NB: I am also taking some exchange rate risk as most charges will be in US
Dollars, but will be converted at some (prob. 1%) cost, on my credit card to
Australian Dollars, at a rate which I will not be able to take into account
at the time of transaction. Your charge would be entirely in the e-gold
equivalent of the stores charged US Dollar equivalent (plus the small fee).


Regards,
Ian Green

> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 12:54 AM
> To: Craig Haynie
> Cc: e-gold Discussion
> Subject: RE: [e-gold-list] feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM
> transactions
>
>
> Oops! Make that http://aoshop.com/aoshop/e-gold_shopping.htm sorry!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Craig Haynie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 12:30 AM
> > To: Ian Green; e-gold Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM
> > transactions
> >
> >
> > Hello Ian!
> >
> > > ALSO ... People can buy anything from Amazon, BarnesAndNoble, or other
> > > stores (that accept non-US Visa card for payment) using e-gold,
> > by letting
> > > me know what they want via e-mail or at
> > > http://aoShop.com/e-gold_shopping.htm . Just copy and paste
> the details
> > into
> > > the web form.
> >
> > Excellent Idea! However, the link does not work. What's wrong?
> >
> > Craig
> >


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[e-gold-list] RE: feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM transactions

[Ian Green]

Oops! Make that http://aoshop.com/aoshop/e-gold_shopping.htm sorry!

> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Haynie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 12:30 AM
> To: Ian Green; e-gold Discussion
> Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM
> transactions
> 
> 
> Hello Ian!
> 
> > ALSO ... People can buy anything from Amazon, BarnesAndNoble, or other
> > stores (that accept non-US Visa card for payment) using e-gold, 
> by letting
> > me know what they want via e-mail or at
> > http://aoShop.com/e-gold_shopping.htm . Just copy and paste the details
> into
> > the web form.
> 
> Excellent Idea! However, the link does not work. What's wrong?
> 
> Craig
> 

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[e-gold-list] Re: feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM transactions

[Craig Haynie]

Hello Ian!

> ALSO ... People can buy anything from Amazon, BarnesAndNoble, or other
> stores (that accept non-US Visa card for payment) using e-gold, by letting
> me know what they want via e-mail or at
> http://aoShop.com/e-gold_shopping.htm . Just copy and paste the details
into
> the web form.

Excellent Idea! However, the link does not work. What's wrong?

Craig



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[e-gold-list] feedback system / e-gold for eBay sales / MM transactions

[Ian Green]

Vince Callaway suggested "Those of you that have dealt with the various
market makers should leave public feed back at http://www.freedomhound.com".
Don Henson said "we really need a formal rating system."

Graham Kelly suggested not so long ago using www.virtualfeedback.com , as it
is not necessary to "reinvent the wheel". I haven't tried this yet myself.

Also, on the eBay front. Maybe it is necessary to auction items and make
e-gold the *ONLY* accepted payment mechanism?! The US institutions have been
making people jump through hoops for too long to conform with *their*
requirements! Non-US residents, for some, are sick and tired of not even
being able to use PayPal or X.com, despite their "pay anyone with an email
address" claims! If the item is unique or is going slightly cheaper than
another item then maybe this will attract bidders who do so in the full
knowledge that e-gold is *the* required payment method.

ALSO ... People can buy anything from Amazon, BarnesAndNoble, or other
stores (that accept non-US Visa card for payment) using e-gold, by letting
me know what they want via e-mail or at
http://aoShop.com/e-gold_shopping.htm . Just copy and paste the details into
the web form.

*When a trusted relationship has been established* (as is already
established with a couple of you on this list) we can speed things up by
preauthorising the payment at whatever the price + freight + 5% comes to,
and I get it on its way to you, and then tell you how much it came to, which
you then pay via e-gold.

Note: The 5% is only for stores outside aoShop.com (eg. other people's
stores that I pay using my credit card), and is 5% *or* a minimum service
charge of USD$5.

If anyone here needs same day e-gold via Visa or Mastercard (or Australia/NZ
Bankcard) then the same will apply, plus another $5 for the additional work
required to process credit cards! For incoming cc for e-gold, ask first to
confirm availability, then use PGP for security!
http://ao.com.au/pgp.htm For large amounts money order is preferred (I will
pass on any cost saving).

[ So to reiterate, incoming cc for e-gold = value + 5% (min USD$5) + USD$5 ]
This means that the price is more competitive for larger amounts while still
allowing me $5 for my labour. (The cc processing costs 5% and I have to
physically go to the bank to process it!)
[ Incoming e-gold for non-aoShop.com goods/services = value + 5% (min
USD$5) ]

Regards,
Ian Green
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Managing Director
Alpha Omega Computers Pty Ltd   http://ao.com.au
aoShop.com, Inc.   http://aoShop.com

PS: A transaction may be rejected if it is adverse or bona-fides cannot be
verified, or if trust is not established. I am not (yet) a "market-maker",
but if this takes off, then I will look at satisfying whatever e-gold's
requirements are for being listed as such on their e-gold exchange providers
list.


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[e-gold-list] RE: icegold.com down?

[Paul Vahur]

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> Hello, this is a mail test, icegold.com web and email seem 
> down, what's
> going on?  Please follow-up to the e-gold-z mailing
> list,thanks!


Thank you for showing your interest! For the last week we have been
having problems with our service provider which resulted moving
behind another provider. The change of IP address delayed our
downtime for a few more days, but now www.icegold.ee &
www.icegold.com servers are accessible again. Mail works for
icegold.ee server and by tomorrow (Friday) morning icegold.com mail
should be working too. Anybody who has been trying to contact me,
please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I apologize for any inconveniences we have created and we hope that
this event hasn't permanently damaged our reputation. Measures has
and will be taken to avoid this kind of situation in future. Anybody
visiting IRS II can meet me and personally express their frustration.
I'll try to relieve it with a drink of your choice :-)

Thank you for your patience!

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The New Economy needs new currencies 
http://www.IceGold.com  |  mobile +37 250 96 996

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