[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Craig Spencer wrote: Environmentalism is a chicken little con game. The envionmentalists cry the sky is falling to convince people they have to go along with totalitarianism to save the world. This is not something new. It seems that it was basically the basis of the power of the Mayan kings. The conned everyone in believing their holding power was necessary to keep the world in existance. Pascal's wager is niether innocent or a safe bet. The downside is basically the complete loss of your freedom. While the upside is a silly superstitious illusion. JP is right on. It's all about freedom - in the case of E-gold, freedom to choose or create and use your own currency. In the case of enviromentalism, freedom of sentient beings to enjoy life, liberty, etc. You could not be more wrong. Perhaps you have some concept of environmentalism that is compatible with liberty but you are changing the meaning of the word from what nearly everybody else means by it and this is disingenuous. Real enviromentalists are not interested in the welfare of sentient beings; their hardly hidden aim is the extermination of all intelligent life. CCS Sentient, Spiritual, Environmentalist here, On behalf of my community on the Hudson River we challenged a status quo that said all was expendable in the name of business and profit. That business could take, use, destroy, and control the public domain, and ruin peoples health, for their own gain. We accomplished change through sheer will and perseverance. The freedom and right to defend your community as proven to be upheld by ancient legal doctrines dating back to the code of Justinian, that are the foundation of modern American democracy! You can use these ancient rights to fight your local polluter and make it pay for abusing your community. All you need do is spot the phony organization, greenwashing, and junk science that anti environmental forces are foisting on an unwitting public. In the US, Fight members of Congress who with their hired guns in public relations firms and ad agencies are trying to convince you that saving your local community from pollution is Costly Bad for local business and taxes Anti American is a Loss of your Freedom communism / socialism Taking the food out of baby's mouth OH I'M SORRY.IS THIS THE E-GAD LIST OR THE E-GOLD LIST... Well what ever. SAVE TREES USE E-GOLD --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, the overall topic is so completely ridiculous on so many levels (example, reindeer cannot fly; man has in fact explored the north pole; we know where all known gifts actually came from etc) that it is important to realize that even the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney is sort of ridiculous in itself, because, it ignores how incredibly ridiculous the rest of the topic is. *grins* http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~dufour/HUMOR/Santas.html (*) the normal variation in the earth's temperature is spectacular and massive. For example, we happen to be in a 10 thousand year gap between two **ICE AGES**. This is just one of TENS OF THOUSANDS of such ongoing cycles. And also pretty fast - I've heard TV documentaries where they discussed evidence that shows a complete switch out of an ice age taking less than 100 years. Also I recall the flap before global warming was fear of a new *ice age* being due roundabout now. Be amusing if one filled into the hole of the other so to speak :-) (*) Just for example, FIFTEEN THOUSAND scientists have now signed a petition pointing out that global warming is trivial idiocy. N scientists have signed a petition is meaningless either way, pro or con - adding numbers doesn't support arguments (which obviously also goes for the every schoolboy knows approach of many GW theorists). (*) the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly, utterly dwarfed by natural processes CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas, so's water, methane, etc. Why does global warming exist? Quite simply, to raise taxes. ENVIRONMENTALISM IS THE LAST ATTEMPT OF SOCIALISM TO GAIN CONTROL. I posit you're underestimating the opposition here. I hung out with green types a tad when I was younger, and one of the things I noticed (that drove me off infact) was how common pure technophobia was. And by tech, I mean anything literally more advanced than sitting nude in a nud puddle, scrabbling for roots. It was subtle, unstated, but universal, that *rational thought* was considered an unfair advantage, and one that ought to be banned. Merely taxing the economy back to hovels and hand-carts was at most a step in the right direction. Result: they do a Milliken on Doug, and slap a 30% tax on e-gold transactions. e-gold inc needs to be damn sure it can hop jurisdictions and hide behind secrecy mechanisms such as ZKS freedom to the extent that it can blow a phbbbt at the taxers and simply refuse to reveal anything or cooperate to any extent. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! The Pascal's wager calculations you make need to be weighted against (a) damage to the principle of private property (b) the economic devastation, famine, power cuts, and destruction of opportunity inherent in GW gas bans/taxes. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | This is not sensible, though. | | Nothing could be easier than extracting (ie, opening your eyes and | looking at) the output of a keyboard sniffer. | | You can, instantaneously, see (say, to make but one example), where | the word e-gold was typed, and then immediately find the account | number(s) / password(s) after that. | | See the example of a keyboard sniffer sniffing myself in the other email. | | There is no sense in which you need a program to do that, it | doesn't make any sense. True, you don't *need* it, but it would be a better solution than a keyboard sniffer: - It could extract the exact information - no need to eyeball to output, less bytes to send (e.g. in a ping packet), account plundering could be automated - It would work with programs using the automation interface - Password drag-and-drop programs wouldn't offer added security Sure, I got carried away with the better technical solution, but for the sake of your argument there's no need for it. | ANY of these obviosities is the equivalent of pointing out that | reindeer cant fly --- global warming is as ridiculous on as many | levels as santa claus: Very well, but aren't you yourself a firm 'charting' believer? From reading books like 'A Random Walk Down Wall Street' (by Burton Malkiel), I've got the impression that chartists historically don't manage to outperform the market - despite their belief they can predict future trends from looking at the charts. I'm sure 'charting' is so controversial that I could dig up plenty of documentation supporting the idea that it is humbug. Perhaps you can disprove that notion, too! All in good fun, --Luc --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Julian Morrison wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! Why is it that so many environmentalist want to use violence and the threat of violence instead of *prices* to get what they want? Why is it that so many environmentalist don't hold up John D. Rockerfeller (of Standard Oil fame) as an example of the ultimate conservationist? Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Julian Morrison wrote: Also I recall the flap before global warming was fear of a new *ice age* being due roundabout now. Be amusing if one filled into the hole of the other so to speak :-) The notable fact about this is that it was the SAME people that were touting the coming ice age that a few years later switched to touting global warming. Clearly to story details of their chicken little game are not essential. It is just a means to power for them. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Luc Van den Borre wrote: Sure, I got carried away with the better technical solution, but for the sake of your argument there's no need for it. | ANY of these obviosities is the equivalent of pointing out that | reindeer cant fly --- global warming is as ridiculous on as many | levels as santa claus: Very well, but aren't you yourself a firm 'charting' believer? From reading books like 'A Random Walk Down Wall Street' (by Burton Malkiel), I've got the impression that chartists historically don't manage to outperform the market - despite their belief they can predict future trends from looking at the charts. I'm sure 'charting' is so controversial that I could dig up plenty of documentation supporting the idea that it is humbug. Perhaps you can disprove that notion, too! On contrarie, Technical analysis or chartists as was mention, and in accordance to the Market Technicians Association, is the study of data generated by the action of markets and by the behavior and psychology of market participants and observers. Such study is usually applied to estimating the probabilities for the future course of prices for a market, investment, or speculation by interpreting the data in the context of precedent OR The study of the forces of supply and demand in any free and orderly marketplace. Charts are the core of technical analysis and provides a critical element timing. Therefore what kind of investor are you? Day trading, traditional, Intermediate, long term. All you really need to know is who you are and how long are you planning to hold a specific stock. Only then can you select the chart that is appropriate for what you are trying to achieve. It is all in...The Right Chart(s) Your impression sir, in my opinion is due to an enormous number of people, pros and individual investors using the wrong chart. They maybe ignorant or arrogant, Hey a chart is a chart eh? However, charting takes a bit more work, and you must use constant attention to a portfolio. but you can have grater returns with correct technical analysis. buy at $20 sell years later a $60, when climbing to 60 it could go to 40 and then back down to 25 So sell at $40 and you have a nice profit. A charter is a Market Timer who should sell when that stock is rising at 37, reinvest at 27 during the fall to 25, if your correct you will ride up again to $57. This is not all the way up, but it is not a ride all the way down. You end up with a $47 gain or 17.5 greater return instead of $40 All in good fun, --Luc I'll drink to that! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Now here's an on-topic post. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is like global warming, it's just completely and totally and utterly non-sensical on numerous different levels, makes no sense at all, in any way. Please explain? I know GW is pretty doubtful and the earth bounces around temperature on its own without human messing, but why do you say it's totally and utterly non-sensical? Julian, here's the reason. There are some things that are so crazy they are crazy **ON MANY LEVELS**. For instance: the idea of santa claus is crazy because: how could he fit down the chimney. Now, the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney, is true. Fair enough. However, the overall topic is so completely ridiculous on so many levels (example, reindeer cannot fly; man has in fact explored the north pole; we know where all known gifts actually came from etc) that it is important to realize that even the statement santa claus is nonsensical because he couldn't fit down the chimney is sort of ridiculous in itself, because, it ignores how incredibly ridiculous the rest of the topic is. For instance, some idiot may say hey -- Santa could be a real thin guy -- that explains it -- santa claus is proved! Not really, because that's just one of hundreds of obviosities you could point out on how completely ridiculous the idea of Santa is. Thus, just some examples below of how totally and utterly ridiculous global warming is. ANY of these items, taken on their own, utterly demolish the ridiculousness of global warming, just as ANY rational observation (example uh, reindeer cant fly) utterly demolishes santa claus: ANY of these obviosities is the equivalent of pointing out that reindeer cant fly --- global warming is as ridiculous on as many levels as santa claus: (*) the normal variation in the earth's temperature is spectacular and massive. For example, we happen to be in a 10 thousand year gap between two **ICE AGES**. This is just one of TENS OF THOUSANDS of such ongoing cycles. (*) JUST WITHIN the current interglacial age in which we live and all civilization exists, there have been SPECTACULAR and frequent BIG changes in the weather. There are very often periods of a century or two when it is very very hot or very very cold. (*) there, very simply, IS NOT ANY evidence, at all, whatsoever, of global warming.(or cooling) if you read all the reports in detail, it states that plainly. there are four methods to measure the temp. of the earth changing from year to year, and three of them (example, satellite measurements taken at the expense of billions by temperature-measuring-satellites made for the purpose) positively, definitely, clearly, plainly, easily show absolutely no change (its that simple); one of the methods shows inconclusive. (*) Just for example, FIFTEEN THOUSAND scientists have now signed a petition pointing out that global warming is trivial idiocy. (*) the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly, utterly dwarfed by natural processes (*) the whole global warming idiocy was started by the famous lie article in _Nature_ where a couple of scientists (now totally discredited) simply chopped of part of a graph so they could make a point and gain popularity. global warming is precisely as scientific as, say, ufology. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc Again, any ONE of these items (eg, the amount of CO2 put out by humans is utterly dwarfed by natural processes) just makes the whole gloabl warming thing precisely as ridiculous as Santa Claus. Global Warming is a perfect example of the big lie. It is utterly, totally, nonsensical, but it is repeated on TV a lot, so it becomes true. Why does global warming exist? Quite simply, to raise taxes. ENVIRONMENTALISM IS THE LAST ATTEMPT OF SOCIALISM TO GAIN CONTROL. How does this relate to e-gold? As old socio-political structures breakdown, money (one of the key structures used by states to exert powre) will change from government-monopoly money to free-market money. My predicition: within ten years, enviromentalists will be complaining that e-gold and other free market currencies make it too easy to have economic activity that is unpatrolled by environmentalism. this e-gold thing is bigger than the Canadian dollar, imagine, and the carbon [or whatever] output of that economy is not controlled! what about GLOBAL WARMING to SAVE THE CHILDREN! etc Result: they do a Milliken on Doug, and slap a 30% tax on e-gold transactions. e-gold will become a big environmental (ie socialist) issue. (believe it or not - you heard it here first!) --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thus, just some examples below of how totally and utterly ridiculous global warming is. ANY of these items, taken on their own, utterly [E-gold related discussion a bit further on in this post] I think there are many sides to the global warming argument, people should go out and inform themselves. Here are a set of links both pro and con to start from: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/globalwarming.html#GWDenierSites Personally I like this one to start with: http://www.ucsusa.org/warming/gw.faq.html Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! My predicition: within ten years, enviromentalists will be complaining that e-gold and other free market currencies make it too easy to have economic activity that is unpatrolled by environmentalism. I'm an enviromentalist that doesn't agree with you JP. But your dead-on calls on gold prices lately have me worried about the possibilities on this call!! ;) It's all about freedom - in the case of E-gold, freedom to choose or create and use your own currency. In the case of enviromentalism, freedom of sentient beings to enjoy life, liberty, etc. Some find close ties between libertarian and enviromental ideals. For example: http://www.teleport.com/~rot/faqs.html For more, pick up a copy of Bionomics using e-gold now via http://www.metalproxy.com Best, HR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Result: they do a Milliken on Doug, and slap a 30% tax on e-gold transactions. Wasn't that something. They had most people believing Michael Milken screwed people out of money and that his junk bonds defaulted. e-gold will become a big environmental (ie socialist) issue. (believe it or not - you heard it here first!) :) It's only the government top heavy economies with low GDP growth rates and bad treatment of capital, like the US and Western Europe that this will probably come from (countries currently doing the Desperation Samba). On a positive note, China, most of the rest of the Pacific Rim, Persian Gulf counties and South American countries are not conducive to Tree Huggers and financial account snooping (anti-money laundering rules/regs and laws). --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Thus, just some examples below of how totally and utterly ridiculous global warming is. ANY of these items, taken on their own, utterly [E-gold related discussion a bit further on in this post] I think there are many sides to the global warming argument, people should go out and inform themselves. Here are a set of links both pro and con to start from: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/globalwarming.html#GWDenierSites Personally I like this one to start with: http://www.ucsusa.org/warming/gw.faq.html Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! I believe, like many intelligent people, you've been conned, Hank. Consider the Santa Claus example: OK, say, Santa MIGHT be real, so you might as well put out cookies. Well no. Pascal's wager doesn't apply to something nonsensical. (i) There Is No global warming. untold, endless evidence shows this. (ii) The Concept Is Meaningless. Totally nonsensical. An ant sitting on the pacific ocean saying hey! I believe our political policies will result in the water level going up by a hundreth of an inch over the next 50 years! It's just MEANINGLESS. It does not even PARSE, it MEANS NOTHING. The ant's ocean continually bounces up and down by yards as a normal course of action and is affected by vast numbers of things . waves, tides, wakes, etc. For instance, some of the global warmers are SO SPECTAULRLY STUPID you hear this talk about oh, it could mean that sea levels will rise/lower/whatever ***THE ENTIRETY OF EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICAN, DOWN TO FLORIDA/NORTH AFRICA, WAS COVERED IN ICE*** as early as a score of thousand years ago, and will be again in a few thousand years. My predicition: within ten years, enviromentalists will be complaining that e-gold and other free market currencies make it too easy to have economic activity that is unpatrolled by environmentalism. I'm an enviromentalist that doesn't agree with you JP. It's simply because you've been lied to. Consider the recent sceintific report to the white house, the conclusion of which was (like duh), global warming is inconclusive. Tom Brokaw got on ythe nightly news and quite simply lied, saying the report proves global warming will happen. You need only simply read the report. Look, how clear can it be. I searched on the web and in one minute found ***AN ARTICLE BY AN AUTHOR OF THE REPORT*** stating this: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000606 CNN's Michelle Mitchell was typical of the coverage when she declared that the report represented a unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is no wiggle room. As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I can state that this is simply untrue. As one of 11 scientists who prepared the report, I CAN STATE THAT THIS IS SIMPLY UNTRUE. It's simply called lying. Tom Brokaw opens his mouth using his jaw muscles and LIES. Utters sentences that have no connection to reality. Eventually, otherwise intelligent people like, I suggest, yourself Hank, start to believe it. Again, ***FIFTEEN THOUSAND*** scientists have now signed a document commenting that global warming is nutty. What sort of greater consensus do you want? 50 thousand scientists ... 200 thousand .. every living scientist? There are three climatologists who have ever won a nobel prize; two of them (obviously) consider global warming foolish beneath discussion, the other one won't comment. It's just a non-starter. Think about it logically. As I say, there are DOZENS of knock-down obviosities (long the lines of reindeer cant fly) that demolish the concept. It's just not even sensible, it doesn't parse. I believe environmentalism has been co-opped by socialism. The fact that utter junk science that does not even parse meaningfully, such as 'global warming' is now part of environmentalism, supports this. The modus operandi of socialism is to use junk science in some particular field to increase socialistic pressures. The classic exposition of this is in _The Road to Serfdom_ where 50 years ago Hayek explains this MO of socialism and predicts that at the end of the 20th century, socialists will have to cotton on to some new fantasy, and present it as science, to try one last gasp at socialism after socialisms utter failure during the 20th century (obvious to Hayek at the time). Later in his life, during the 70s/80s, Hakek saw that this in fact was environmentalism! how's that for a market call! :) But your dead-on calls on gold prices lately have me worried about the possibilities on this call!! ;) It's all about freedom - in the case of E-gold, freedom to choose or create and use your own
[e-gold-list] Re: don't get keyboard sniffed
Think of it as a Pascal's wager kind of thing - maybe you'll be wrong trying to do your part to combat global warming, but conserving energy and promoting alternative fuels can be its own reward - and if you're right it helps in the big picture too! Environmentalism is a chicken little con game. The envionmentalists cry the sky is falling to convince people they have to go along with totalitarianism to save the world. This is not something new. It seems that it was basically the basis of the power of the Mayan kings. The conned everyone in believing their holding power was necessary to keep the world in existance. Pascal's wager is niether innocent or a safe bet. The downside is basically the complete loss of your freedom. While the upside is a silly superstitious illusion. JP is right on. It's all about freedom - in the case of E-gold, freedom to choose or create and use your own currency. In the case of enviromentalism, freedom of sentient beings to enjoy life, liberty, etc. You could not be more wrong. Perhaps you have some concept of environmentalism that is compatible with liberty but you are changing the meaning of the word from what nearly everybody else means by it and this is disingenuous. Real enviromentalists are not interested in the welfare of sentient beings; their hardly hidden aim is the extermination of all intelligent life. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
