Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2015-09-28 Thread Ivan Brusic 
Does the new mailing list have moderators to deal with spam?

Cheers,

Ivan
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2015-03-13 Thread aaron 
I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today. 
 It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply.  I blame Google.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:

 I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

 On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng seng@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:


 Hi,

 What is the current policy on this?

 I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and 
 then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures 
 ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

 Not sure if they're in a to be moderated bucket ... or googles spam 
 filter just deleted them.

 The posts had these subjects:
 * What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
 * Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

 Thanks,
 Gavin

 On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

 The first post should be approved .


 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of 
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need 
 help 
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they 
 are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the 
 globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above 
 the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free 
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently 
 active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2015-03-13 Thread Mark Walkom 
I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng seng.ga...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi,

 What is the current policy on this?

 I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and
 then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures
 ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

 Not sure if they're in a to be moderated bucket ... or googles spam
 filter just deleted them.

 The posts had these subjects:
 * What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
 * Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

 Thanks,
 Gavin

 On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

 The first post should be approved .


 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2015-03-13 Thread Gavin Seng 

Mark, thanks for checking.

My posts did show up in the end ... I got an email from google about 18 
hours later!! ... and all my re-postings all showed up (had to go delete 
all the duplicates).

Gavin

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-4, aa...@definemg.com wrote:

 I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today. 
  It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply.  I blame Google.

 On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:

 I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

 On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng seng@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi,

 What is the current policy on this?

 I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and 
 then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures 
 ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

 Not sure if they're in a to be moderated bucket ... or googles spam 
 filter just deleted them.

 The posts had these subjects:
 * What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and 
 fielddata?
 * Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

 Thanks,
 Gavin

 On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

 The first post should be approved .


 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through 
 Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of 
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need 
 help 
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they 
 are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the 
 globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above 
 the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free 
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently 
 active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring 
 it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2015-03-12 Thread Gavin Seng 

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and 
then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures 
... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a to be moderated bucket ... or googles spam 
filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:
* What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
* Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

 The first post should be approved .


 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom 
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as 
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to 
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint



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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-12-02 Thread nodexy 
The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom 
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as 
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to 
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint


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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-08-01 Thread Ivan Brusic 
I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom ma...@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

 You're better off starting a new thread around this :)

 (But take a look here
 http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
 )

 Regards,
 Mark Walkom

 Infrastructure Engineer
 Campaign Monitor
 email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
 web: www.campaignmonitor.com


 On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
 java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

 On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-08-01 Thread Lukáš Vlček 
Ivan,

I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch
Linkedin group (
https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=gid=3393294trk=anet_ug_hm) could be
more logical target for job postings.

Lukas


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic i...@brusic.com wrote:

 I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

 Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
 not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
 directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
 already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
 not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
 not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

 This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

 Thoughts?

 Ivan


  On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom ma...@campaignmonitor.com
 wrote:

 You're better off starting a new thread around this :)

 (But take a look here
 http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
 )

 Regards,
 Mark Walkom

 Infrastructure Engineer
 Campaign Monitor
 email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
 web: www.campaignmonitor.com


 On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
 java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

 On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-08-01 Thread Mark Walkom 
I agree with Ivan and Lukas, though recruiters with ES related jobs should
be ok as long as it's not a generic BCC like the ones Ivan deleted.

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On 2 August 2014 05:05, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ivan,

 I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch
 Linkedin group (
 https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=gid=3393294trk=anet_ug_hm) could
 be more logical target for job postings.

 Lukas


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic i...@brusic.com wrote:

 I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

 Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
 not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
 directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
 already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
 not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
 not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

 This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

 Thoughts?

 Ivan


  On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom ma...@campaignmonitor.com
 wrote:

 You're better off starting a new thread around this :)

 (But take a look here
 http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
 )

 Regards,
 Mark Walkom

 Infrastructure Engineer
 Campaign Monitor
 email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
 web: www.campaignmonitor.com


 On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the
 recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

 On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through
 Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
 whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need 
 help
 as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they 
 are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the 
 globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above 
 the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
 to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently 
 active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-24 Thread Sudhakar Chokkalingam 
One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended 
java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom 
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as 
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to 
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint


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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-24 Thread Mark Walkom 
You're better off starting a new thread around this :)

(But take a look here
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
)

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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudha...@gmail.com wrote:

 One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
 java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

 On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-02 Thread Paul Brown 
Hi, Clinton --

May I suggest:

- Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard
ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs.  This is not a
problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of
blame at Google Groups.

- Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is
equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly
admit new users.  (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)

- Banning is ineffective.  Spammers will continuously sign up with new
accounts.

-- Paul


—
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley 
clinton.gorm...@elasticsearch.com wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-02 Thread Patrick Proniewski 
Hi,

I do agree with Paul, 200%.
I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't call 
this a few spam email. I'm subscribed for years on many mailing lists, and 
I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on those lists as 
I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

On 2 juil. 2014, at 08:18, Paul Brown p...@mult.ifario.us wrote:

 Hi, Clinton --
 
 May I suggest:
 
 - Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard
 ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs.  This is not a
 problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of
 blame at Google Groups.
 
 - Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is
 equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly
 admit new users.  (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)
 
 - Banning is ineffective.  Spammers will continuously sign up with new
 accounts.
 
 -- Paul
 
 
 --
 p...@mult.ifario.us | Multifarious, Inc. | http://mult.ifario.us/
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley 
 clinton.gorm...@elasticsearch.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
 following reasons:
 
 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
 a small minority on this list.
 
 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
 tiresome.
 
 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
 member of this list to be included.
 
 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.
 
 Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-02 Thread Clinton Gormley 


 I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't 
 call this a few spam email. I'm subscribed for years on many mailing 
 lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on 
 those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list. 


That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where 
you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked 
my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I 
was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more 
visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this 
decision later on.

clint




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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-02 Thread mooky 
I fall on the side of caring less about spam emails (since I have decent 
spam filter on my email) and would rate easy access to the group much 
higher.
I tend to add/remove myself from groups all the time - so adding a delay to 
adding myself to a group with be a big PITA for me.

-M


On Wednesday, 2 July 2014 11:34:05 UTC+1, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't 
 call this a few spam email. I'm subscribed for years on many mailing 
 lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on 
 those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list. 


 That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where 
 you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked 
 my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I 
 was unaware of.

 I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more 
 visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

 Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this 
 decision later on.

 clint




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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-02 Thread Jack Park 
The behavior in my gmail-operated spam filter has been to toss out
lots of emails from this list as false positives. So, I keep sending
them back to my in box; pretty soon, gmail asks me to forward the good
ones to them to study, so I do. The result of that is that they catch
NONE of those spams.  They also don't put enough information in the
header to allow me to see if all those spams come from the same IP
address. Otherwise, it might be possible for the group list to block
certain IP addresses.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Clinton Gormley cl...@traveljury.com wrote:
 I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't
 call this a few spam email. I'm subscribed for years on many mailing
 lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on
 those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.


 That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where
 you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked
 my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I
 was unaware of.

 I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more
 visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

 Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this
 decision later on.

 clint


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Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-01 Thread Clinton Gormley 
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom 
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as 
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are 
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, 
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the 
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to 
email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active 
member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

2014-07-01 Thread Glen Smith 
Can you make this post sticky?

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:36:44 PM UTC-4, Clinton Gormley wrote:

 Hi all

 Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's 
 filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a 
 moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the 
 following reasons:

 We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom 
 are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as 
 soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In 
 contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So 
 making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy 
 handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are 
 a small minority on this list.

 Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with 
 banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, 
 who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the 
 parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody 
 will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too 
 tiresome.

 This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to 
 email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active 
 member of this list to be included. 

 If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider 
 moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, 
 and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

 Clint


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