[Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Don Rasmussen
The point is not that the code be somewhere safe in
case of disaster, rogue employees, or loss of a
backup, but rather that the code be legally
accessible by customers in the event that the company
abandons, for whatever reason, its ongoing
maintenance.



And there's the pleasant thought of the day!!! ;-)

I am willing to pay my share of the flight insurance
for (where the heck are they this weekend - Plano
Texas?) but somebody else needs to pitch in for the
next rally, okay? 

Personally, I don't think they should ever travel
together and we should have some skin flecks from each
of them in case we need to clone one of them down the
road. We should also ask them if we make more of them
if it would help production or slow it down. H.
???

In addition, I'd like to take odds on which one, Eric
or Wayne would go rogue first, assuming Lisa has not
been overworked in their absence of late. That's the
wild card in this deal. 

73,
de my call at yaoo dot com

73,
Don

RE: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow
from [Craig Rairdin] [Permanent Link][Original] 

To:  "'Elecraft'"  
Subject:  RE: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow 
From:  "Craig Rairdin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 
> It's called Disaster Preparedness.

You guys are all missing the point of the original
post, which was excellent
by the way.



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RE: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Craig Rairdin
> It's called Disaster Preparedness.

You guys are all missing the point of the original post, which was excellent
by the way.

The point is not that the code be somewhere safe in case of disaster, rogue
employees, or loss of a backup, but rather that the code be legally
accessible by customers in the event that the company abandons, for whatever
reason, its ongoing maintenance.

I thought this was an excellent idea and I hope it's something that Wayne
and Eric will give some consideration to. You just don't know what the
future holds, and this would be a nice way to protect the interest of
customers in the long term.

Craig
NZ0R
KX1 #1499
K1 #1966
K2/100 #4941
K3/100 < #200

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RE: [OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Craig D. Smith
Buckeye was the common term in Eastern Iowa in the 50s, so it spread at
least that far from Ohio.  I only learned about the Horse Chestnut a few
years ago.

   ...  de  Craig   AC0DS




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Re: [OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Bill W5WVO
Apparently not much (to the east anyway), since Ohio is practically in the 
back yard of where I grew up near Rochester... Truth to tell, I knew about 
"Ohio, the Buckeye State", etc., but I always figured a buckeye was probably a 
flower or something. Lots of state sobriquets refer to flowers that grow 
there. Anyway, that's my excuse, and I'm stickin' to it.  :-)


Bill


Chris Kantarjiev wrote:

"Buckeye" is an Ohio term ... though I've no idea how much
farther it may have spread.

73 de chris K6DBG
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[OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
"Buckeye" is an Ohio term ... though I've no idea how much
farther it may have spread.

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Mike Morrow
Jim wrote:

>...it is my understanding that arc transmitters (like 
>the Poulsen arc) generated continuous (undamped) waves. 

Right you are.  My mistake.

I don't have any transmitters of that era in my collection, though I do have 
the remanants of a 100-year-old coherer receiver, and a complete WWI U.S. Army 
SCR-54-A (BC-14-A) crystal receiver.  The latter was designed to receive 
signals from observation aircraft transmitting on a BC-15 spark transmitter.

Mike / KK5F
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[Elecraft] Prediction of competition

2007-06-08 Thread Charles Harpole

I predict... & u hrd it here "first:"

K3 will end the offering of more new HIGHEST END models of ham radios from 
Yaesu, ICOM and especially Kenwood (already done in effect for Kenw).


By 2012, Elecraft models and ORION 2 (and maybe OMNI 7) will be the only 
non-computer-based  rigs* available to purchase new.  The USA mfgs. return 
to the days of Johnson, Collins, et al.  What a turn!


I personally do not like this 2012 prediction because I like a full 
marketplace, but I think reality will take hold in Japan as its mfg. 
leadership changes and the ham marketplace evolves.


* that is, rigs u would really want.


73
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[Elecraft] K3 fodder

2007-06-08 Thread Don Rasmussen
Elecraft will be raising the bar in many areas for
cost and efficiency, but if the only thing they did at
all was to raise the bar for other manufacturers with
respect to accountability in the rigs firmware, it
would be a godsend. That's one standard that some of
the others have set on the low side and kept it
there...

This is cross posted from the Yahoo K3 list.
Interesting stuff for a Friday if you have not seen
it. 

--
Re: any educated guess as to when actual IMD, DR, etc
numbers will be posted ? 


Why are you worried? From what i have read the K3 is
going to
outperform every current model HF radio on the market.

You can get some hints on this link.

http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2007-06/msg7.html

Bill W4ZV has been collating and comparing the numbers
since the
Original Orion Debut, maybe even earlier.

Craig

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> neal/n6nw
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Re: [OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

Well, Ohio *is* the 'Buckeye State' - when I grew up in Ohio, they were 
called buckeye trees by everyone, it was only later that I learned they 
were also horse chestnut trees.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bill W5WVO wrote:
Interesting... Never heard a horse chestnut called a "buckeye" before. 
(Never mind a "conker"!) Where do they call them buckeyes?


I'm originally from upstate NY, where horse chestnut trees seemed to be 
everywhere you looked. I think we had four or five of them just on our 
one-block-long street. Collecting huge bags of horse chestnuts was an 
autumn ritual.


Bill / W5WVO


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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Jack Smith

Jim:

Correct -- arc transmitters operated on the negative resistance 
principle, as a portion of the E vs I curve for an arc has an area of 
negative resistance. As such, the arc worked as an amplifier or 
oscillator, thus yielding a continuous wave. (Same concept as a  tunnel 
diode, as a matter of fact.)


See pages 44-55 of "The Science of Radio" by Paul Nahin.

Jack


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/7/07 7:22:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



  
Communications using Morse code by keyed continuous waves" in contrast to 
"communications using Morse code by keyed damped waves," which was the type of 
signal emitted by those old spark and arc transmitters of yesteryear, until 
alternators and vacuum tube oscillators were available to emit continuous 
waves during key-down.  CW vs. DW!






I could be mistaken, but it is my understanding that arc transmitters (like 
the Poulsen arc) generated continuous (undamped) waves. 


73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] K2 Internal Mic Adaptor Pre-Production Sale

2007-06-08 Thread Gary Hvizdak
We are now accepting paid orders for our new Rework Eliminator(TM) K2
Internal Mic Adaptor (IMA) kit via our http://www.unpcbs.com/ website.  We
are offering the kit at a pre-production sale price of $20.95.

With sufficient demand, we may be able to hold this price once we go to
production.  However, without at least 85 paid orders before the end of
June, we will have to cancel this kit without ever producing it.

73,
Gary KI4GGX

P.S. FYI, due to concerns about something called "fretted corrosion" of the
base metal, all IMA connector contact mating surfaces will have 30u" gold
plating.  This feature raises the retail price by nearly $3.00 over what it
would have been had we used 10u" gold plating.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: What's this data mode?

2007-06-08 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
JT65a, used to be for Moonbounce but it works well into the noise for HF 
as well.  I suspect a better mode for HF can be designed, but it is fun 
anyway.   See the Yahoo digitalradio group for lots more chat on it.  
And you'll be pleased to know it runs in Windows as well as Linux!

73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 3:06 pm, Julian G4ILO wrote:

Sorry for an off-topic posting, but I've been hearing a strange data
mode lately, like someone playing a slow tune on about 4 notes. It
sounds like a slow version of Olivia, but none of the settings in my
MixW can decode it, and it's starting to bug me! There's an MP3 of it
at http://www.g4ilo.com/files/datamode.mp3 if anyone would like to try
to identify it. Thanks in advance.

73,
--
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G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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RE: [Elecraft] ESD bags

2007-06-08 Thread Brett gazdzinski
 
I will buck the trend and state I did nothing special
about esd, and never do, and don't seem to ever have problems.

If I am aware of it being very dry and having a lot of static
buildup, I would then take precautions like grounding
myself before working with chips, but I just don't think
most stuff is as sensitive as people would think.

In work, I handle chips, memory, router modules, and never had
an esd failure in 25 years.
Sometimes the stuff is bad out of the box, or it takes a lightning
strike, but I never had an esd failure from handling parts.

If its humid out or where you work, you wont have static issues.

Winter with forced air heating is a time to take precautions,
or maybe if you live in Arizona.

My problem is cats, I had to protect my partly built kits
as the one cat loves radio stuff, he watches my soldering and building,
and seems to want to help with the wires and parts, and maybe 
build his own stuff, but with MY parts.


Brett
N2DTS

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Re: [OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread AJSOENKE
Think Buckeye State and  
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/genrel/university.html

I just learned  what a buckeye is, too. And my parents were from Iowa and 
didn't know.

Al   




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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 6/7/07 7:22:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Communications using Morse code by keyed continuous waves" in contrast to 
> "communications using Morse code by keyed damped waves," which was the type 
> of 
> signal emitted by those old spark and arc transmitters of yesteryear, until 
> alternators and vacuum tube oscillators were available to emit continuous 
> waves during key-down.  CW vs. DW!
> 
> 

I could be mistaken, but it is my understanding that arc transmitters (like 
the Poulsen arc) generated continuous (undamped) waves. 

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[OT] Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Bill W5WVO
Interesting... Never heard a horse chestnut called a "buckeye" before. (Never 
mind a "conker"!) Where do they call them buckeyes?


I'm originally from upstate NY, where horse chestnut trees seemed to be 
everywhere you looked. I think we had four or five of them just on our 
one-block-long street. Collecting huge bags of horse chestnuts was an autumn 
ritual.


Bill / W5WVO


Fred Jensen wrote:

AFAIK, a "conker" in the Mother Country is a "buckeye" or "horse
chestnut" here in the Colonies.  Likewise, "chuffed" loosely
translates to "stoked" -- at least out here on the western frontier.

Andrea is attending a needlepoint retreat at Asilomar later this year.
Given our Equal Hobby Allowance agreement, I am fairly stoked ...

Retreat Cost = Well Loaded K3

Timing is good too, the initial units will be out, and no doubt
someone will say something on the reflector about them.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org
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[Elecraft] Dave Van Wallaghen enclosures

2007-06-08 Thread Bill
I have the enclosure and love it!

Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: Tardy Dayton Comments

At least half a dozen people took careful note of your call when viewing the
enclosures at SeaPac too. Primary interest was in the WM1 installed in one. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

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[Elecraft] K2: poor transmitted CW tone quality fix

2007-06-08 Thread Eric Ward
Tom, N0SS, came through--I had incorrectly installed RC15 on the bottom of the 
board.  He even sent me a nice pdf showing how he had previously encountered 
the problem and the subtle difference between the correct and incorrect 
installation (one pin over makes a difference!).


Eric Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have just finished building K2 #6106 and 
was checking my transmitted tone and found that it is very "warbly"--sounds 
like it is underwater--rather than a nice pure tone.  I figured this could be a 
result of listening at very close range on my KX1, so checked with one of those 
handy remote receivers on the internet and sure enough, it also sounds like 
that 700 miles away.

Anybody have any ideas for obvious stuff to check?

I have done voltage checks and a bit of signal tracing--the only anomaly I have 
found so far is: 

in the transmit mixer output, the key-down Vrms on pin 4 of U10 is 0.002 (vs. 
about 0.016 in the manual); the buffer output, the key-down Vrms on pin 6 of 
U9, is 0.097 (vs. 0.2 in the manual).  So the ratio of my two values (~50) is 
pretty far off from the typical (~12.5).  Is this a red herring, or significant?

Many thanks for any help!!!
73
Eric N0HHS
KX1 #670
K2 #6106
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[Elecraft] OT: What's this data mode?

2007-06-08 Thread Julian G4ILO

Sorry for an off-topic posting, but I've been hearing a strange data
mode lately, like someone playing a slow tune on about 4 notes. It
sounds like a slow version of Olivia, but none of the settings in my
MixW can decode it, and it's starting to bug me! There's an MP3 of it
at http://www.g4ilo.com/files/datamode.mp3 if anyone would like to try
to identify it. Thanks in advance.

73,
--
Julian, G4ILO
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Jack Smith

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's called Disaster Preparedness.of course a disaster can come in various forms.  Any company 

worth their salt has one in place where they keep vital records, software and databases off-site and 


in multiple locations.


  
When I was negotiating contracts for telecommunications companies, we 
had two reasons for insisting on a code escrow clause.


The first was as mentioned, disaster prep. This, however, was not our 
main concern. Rather, it was that the company would go bankrupt and the 
source code would be tied up in receivership or bankruptcy litigation 
and during that time we would not have software support. Hence, we 
required suppliers to agree that in those circumstances, the purchaser 
would receive access to the escrowed source code (via a non-exclusive 
license) for the purpose of support and bug fixes. In order to make this 
work, the code had to be in the hands of a 3rd party escrow agent, as 
leaving it with the developer would not short-circuit access problems, 
since we would be just another contract claimant in the bankruptcy 
court. But, the access provisions could be enforced against the third 
party escrow agent without getting tangled up with the bankruptcy 
proceeding. 

Or, at least that was the theory. Fortunately, we never had to implement 
this process.


Jack K8ZOA
www.cliftonlaboratories.com
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RE: [Elecraft] K2: poor transmitted CW tone quality

2007-06-08 Thread Dan Barker
Move it away from your power supply.

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456


I have just finished building K2 #6106 and was checking my transmitted tone
and found that it is very "warbly"--sounds like it is underwater--rather
than a nice pure tone.


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[Elecraft] K2: poor transmitted CW tone quality

2007-06-08 Thread Eric Ward
I have just finished building K2 #6106 and was checking my transmitted tone and 
found that it is very "warbly"--sounds like it is underwater--rather than a 
nice pure tone.  I figured this could be a result of listening at very close 
range on my KX1, so checked with one of those handy remote receivers on the 
internet and sure enough, it also sounds like that 700 miles away.

Anybody have any ideas for obvious stuff to check?

I have done voltage checks and a bit of signal tracing--the only anomaly I have 
found so far is: 

in the transmit mixer output, the key-down Vrms on pin 4 of U10 is 0.002 (vs. 
about 0.016 in the manual); the buffer output, the key-down Vrms on pin 6 of 
U9, is 0.097 (vs. 0.2 in the manual).  So the ratio of my two values (~50) is 
pretty far off from the typical (~12.5).  Is this a red herring, or significant?

Many thanks for any help!!!
73
Eric N0HHS
KX1 #670
K2 #6106
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[Elecraft] Strange K2 Powerup issue

2007-06-08 Thread Mike Stunes
On K2 #5943, my usual startup noises were as follows: clicking of all
the relays resetting, followed immediately by some relays switching
again. Recently I took the cover off, disconnecting all of the wires,
and reconnected everything. Now my power-on is as follows: relays
resetting, short tone emitted from speaker, some relays switching,
stutter in audio, normal. Installed options are KAT2 and KBT2.
Everything looks right and I'm fairly certain the KAT2 control cable is
fully connected because the menu options do appear. Any ideas?
-- 
Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan.

73, Mike
KCØTQX
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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc

2007-06-08 Thread Marteinn Sverrisson
Hi

At 10:37 AM 2007-06-08, Don Rasmussen wrote:
Which one is which?

according to: nc2030_pres_2004_10.pdf (Google it) page 17

First NC2030 then K2

First sample: background impulse band noise
Second sample: W1AW with lots of QSB

73, Matti

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Re: [Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread w6jd
My wife goes to week long music workshops...keeps everything well balanced  ;^)

Doug
W6JD
-- Original message -- 
From: Fred Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> AFAIK, a "conker" in the Mother Country is a "buckeye" or "horse 
> chestnut" here in the Colonies. Likewise, "chuffed" loosely translates 
> to "stoked" -- at least out here on the western frontier. 
> 
> Andrea is attending a needlepoint retreat at Asilomar later this year. 
> Given our Equal Hobby Allowance agreement, I am fairly stoked ... 
> 
> Retreat Cost = Well Loaded K3 
> 
> Timing is good too, the initial units will be out, and no doubt someone 
> will say something on the reflector about them. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Fred K6DGW 
> - Northern California Contest Club 
> - CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7 
> - www.cqp.org 
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[Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Fred (FL)
This retiree will sure be glad when the K3's get
delivered - so that I will be able to ignore
these enticing topics that come in on REFLECTOR.

I was always a sucker - for interesting projects,
and topics.  Here I thot I was over that for
a while.

I'm sure, Elecraft's software/firmware development
firm - has their act together.  I guess all it
would take is one government-order for a K3, and
they would have to polish up their escrow
contractual wording ... 

The best thing - that could be happening, is
- the introduction of a new product, ala K3!
I'm still quite amazed, at the RF wherewithall
this company has!  

Great company to deal with!
Fred
FL/NY


  

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Re: [Elecraft] K2: first snag...

2007-06-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Mike,

OK, if you have checked the stuff in the troubleshooting area, it is 
time to make some in-depth measurements to determine what is working 
properly and what is not.


First thing to do is to look very carefully at your soldering - that is 
the most likely cause of failure.


Second is the verify that all components in the left front area of the 
RF board have the correct values.  Also be certain ICs, diodes, 
varactors, and transistors are inserted the 'right way around'.  Use the 
placement diagram at the back of the manual to help determine the 
correct orientation.


If everything has passed the tests above, then check the voltage at RF 
Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts (or very close).  If it is some 
other value, you have a problem on the thermistor board (likely a solder 
bridge).


Next, see if the VFO is oscillating at all - put the counter probe into 
TP1 and enter the K2 menu CAL FCTR.  What is the frequency indicated. 
If you are tuned to 4000 kHz, the proper frequency should be 
approximately 8915 kHz, but it is not likely that is true until the 
PLL/VCO loop is operating properly, so just tell us what the frequency 
really is.


Check the frequency at TP3 in the same manner - tap BAND+ and the 
frequency should read near 12100.00 KHz, tapping BAND- should read a 
lower frequency (12 to 13 kHz lower).


Try these tests and get back to us for further steps.  I know these 
tests will not 'cure' anything immediately, but it will tell us where 
you should look next.


73,
Don W3FPR


KU4YP wrote:
Hello all, 


Well, I hit my first snag. The voltage at R30 is maintained at 2.33
volts. I checked and made sure the values at C72 and L30 are correct. 


The manual makes reference to checking troubleshooting but when I
look in the troubleshooting reference, it is not readily visible to me where
the instructions are. 

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[Elecraft] English

2007-06-08 Thread Fred Jensen
AFAIK, a "conker" in the Mother Country is a "buckeye" or "horse 
chestnut" here in the Colonies.  Likewise, "chuffed" loosely translates 
to "stoked" -- at least out here on the western frontier.


Andrea is attending a needlepoint retreat at Asilomar later this year. 
Given our Equal Hobby Allowance agreement, I am fairly stoked ...


Retreat Cost = Well Loaded K3

Timing is good too, the initial units will be out, and no doubt someone 
will say something on the reflector about them.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SOPHISTICATION

2007-06-08 Thread ab7r
WOW.

I would rather put a quarter into a pay phone.  Do they even make those anymore?


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Fri Jun  8 15:18 , K9ZTV  sent:

>For what it's worth, I just upgraded my cell phone and Palm to a single 
>TREO 750 and printed off the User Manual from the CD that came with it.
>
>It fit on 8.5 x 11 inch paper . . . all 312 pages of it.
>
>
>73,
>
>Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
>Jefferson City, MO
>
>
>
>
>>>If the K3 gets any more advanced it will probably take one look at my shack 
>>>and then call Swiss Post to have itself shipped back home to Aptos.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Let's cut to the chase:
>>
>>K3 is the Chuck Norris of amateur radio transceivers.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc

2007-06-08 Thread ab7r
Seems to me you can make the K2 sound like either case.  Depending on the XFIL 
selected and how you have the BFO setup using spectagramyou can make it 
sound 
softer or sharper.

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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Fri Jun  8 15:11 , Terry Conboy  sent:

>At 10:37 AM 2007-06-08, Don Rasmussen wrote:
>>The K2 sounds better to me in both examples.
>>
>>Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc
>>Subject:  [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc
>>From:  "Tom Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>Marteinn Sverrisson TF3MA wrote:
>>"If K2 sounds better than most modern rigs, then
>>listen to the soundfiles on
>>http://www.qslnet.de/member/df7tv/nc2030pn.html
>>and compare the sounds of NC2030 and K2,  in my
>>opinion the NC2030 is far superior sounding under
>>these conditions, compared to K2, judging from
>>these recordings."
>
>Which one is which?  There is a tremendous difference in the audio 
>bandwidth that makes it hard to compare the two.  (The spectrum plots 
>in WMP are very different.)
>
>Thanks & 73,
>Terry N6RY
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Re: [Elecraft] conkers? chuffed?

2007-06-08 Thread Marc G0AZS

Sri spelling... 73 Marc G0AZS, K1UG
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Re: [Elecraft] conkers? chuffed?

2007-06-08 Thread Marc G0AZS

:-)

Conkers - Chestnuts, not the sweet ones you eat.

Chuffed - Very pleased, happy, proud - all Elecraft owners would be
"chuffed" when they complete their radio.

73 Mac G0AZS, K1UG

On 08/06/07, J F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This colonial boy is a bit disturbed... there seems to
be an verbiage invasion occurring on the Elecraft
Reflector!

Please, a little enlightenment for those of us in the
dark lands ;o)

Thanks!
Julius
n2wn
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[Elecraft] K3 SOPHISTICATION

2007-06-08 Thread K9ZTV
For what it's worth, I just upgraded my cell phone and Palm to a single 
TREO 750 and printed off the User Manual from the CD that came with it.


It fit on 8.5 x 11 inch paper . . . all 312 pages of it.


73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, MO




If the K3 gets any more advanced it will probably take one look at my shack 
and then call Swiss Post to have itself shipped back home to Aptos.
   



Let's cut to the chase:

K3 is the Chuck Norris of amateur radio transceivers.


 


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Re: [Elecraft] Just what isn't user definable?

2007-06-08 Thread ab7r
> Be aware that the K3 senses the technical prowess of the user, so some 
>> > menu options may be hidden from Appliance Operators like myself.


Actually, this is not too far from the truth :)  

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Fri Jun  8 15:59 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

>In a message dated 6/8/07 3:07:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>writes:
>
>> From: "Thom LaCosta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > Be aware that the K3 senses the technical prowess of the user, so some 
>> > menu options may be hidden from Appliance Operators like myself.
>> 
>> If the K3 gets any more advanced it will probably take one look at my shack 
>> and then call Swiss Post to have itself shipped back home to Aptos.
>
>Let's cut to the chase:
>
>K3 is the Chuck Norris of amateur radio transceivers.
>
>http://www.historyaddict.com/chucknorrisisms.htm
>
>73 de Jim, N2EY
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc

2007-06-08 Thread Terry Conboy

At 10:37 AM 2007-06-08, Don Rasmussen wrote:

The K2 sounds better to me in both examples.

Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc
Subject:  [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc
From:  "Tom Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Marteinn Sverrisson TF3MA wrote:
"If K2 sounds better than most modern rigs, then
listen to the soundfiles on
http://www.qslnet.de/member/df7tv/nc2030pn.html
and compare the sounds of NC2030 and K2,  in my
opinion the NC2030 is far superior sounding under
these conditions, compared to K2, judging from
these recordings."


Which one is which?  There is a tremendous difference in the audio 
bandwidth that makes it hard to compare the two.  (The spectrum plots 
in WMP are very different.)


Thanks & 73,
Terry N6RY

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Re: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread ab7r
It's called Disaster Preparedness.of course a disaster can come in various 
forms.  Any company 
worth their salt has one in place where they keep vital records, software and 
databases off-site and 
in multiple locations.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065

On Fri Jun  8 14:36 , "lyle johnson"  sent:

>> I'm sure Elecraft's design team, "escrows" and
>> archives their firmware and software production
>> code - somewhere safe... 
>
>I'm sure we do, too, in multiple locations spread over a large geographic 
>area.
>
>73,
>
>Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Fred (FL) wrote:


should say.  Hopefully there is little risk to all
of us - and it isn't anything like that 50mpg
carbureator that GM had hidden and locked up
in the back room - way away from the U.S. public.


Is this the one?

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

If not, is there a url to see "The Rest of the The Story".

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Re: [Elecraft] Just what isn't user definable?

2007-06-08 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 6/8/07 3:07:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> From: "Thom LaCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Be aware that the K3 senses the technical prowess of the user, so some 
> > menu options may be hidden from Appliance Operators like myself.
> 
> If the K3 gets any more advanced it will probably take one look at my shack 
> and then call Swiss Post to have itself shipped back home to Aptos.

Let's cut to the chase:

K3 is the Chuck Norris of amateur radio transceivers.

http://www.historyaddict.com/chucknorrisisms.htm

73 de Jim, N2EY




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Re: [Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread lyle johnson

I'm sure Elecraft's design team, "escrows" and
archives their firmware and software production
code - somewhere safe... 


I'm sure we do, too, in multiple locations spread over a large geographic 
area.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] waaaay OT: Russian Woodpecker

2007-06-08 Thread Rob Locher W7GH

[Still off-topic]

Here's the same web page, automagically translated into English by Google:

http://tinyurl.com/323pmr

Click on the "next" link, which actually reads "the next page of this
foto-razdela", for more interesting information about the Russian
Woodpecker.

73,
- Rob W7GH




On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:00:26 -0700, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


http://pripyat.com/ru/internet_photo/chernobyl_2/1/1627.html


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Re: [Elecraft] waaaay OT: Russian Woodpecker

2007-06-08 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Wow, that antenna structure is truly mind boggling.
Sure wish I could read Russian.  It looks really
interesting.  I think my K2 could burn a hole in a
steel plate with the gain of that antenna system :-)
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] wy OT: Russian Woodpecker


> http://pripyat.com/ru/internet_photo/chernobyl_2/1/1627.html
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[Elecraft] K2: Firmware Escrow

2007-06-08 Thread Fred (FL)
I'm sure Elecraft's design team, "escrows" and
archives their firmware and software production
code - somewhere safe.  I worked for Exxon's QYX,
back in the "Z80 Intelligent Typewriter" days - and
our software team used to store the day's production
of code, firmware, and structured assembler code,
copies of RAM patterns - to a local "MOTEL" room
offsite every night. (I designed QYX's QTTY Teletype
send/receive product, in structured-assembler code,
targeted for Z80 processors in smart typewriter)

Besides worrying about a hostile takeover of Elecraft
- hopefully they are diligent in making sure they
can't be ruined by departure of employees, renagade
employee actions, and just plain code theft.
Some major corporations, deny current but departing
employees, access to corporate code - for a number
of weeks, before they leave company.  (re -
timebombs, built into code, by disgruntled employee)

Two other major R&D development organizations I worked
for, one the U.S. governemnt, and the other a
major New York photographic giant - both had
in place very explicit active software archival
and escrowing procedures.  In fact both, had
a system of secure storeage locations - approx. five
in all, located in more than a few U.S. states.
One was a VERY deep nuclear-safe bunkered
location?  One was a salt-mine.  One was in a
permanently rented motel room, close by, but
off site of our software engineering facility.
And as I recall - the photo giant used to rotate the
total stored software, around and thru these
locations.  This included all of the corporate's
data, etc.  Tapes, floppies, disk packs, ROMS,
CD's .

Now that many of us have prepaid for our K3's,
ahead of delivery and ahead of production status
- It would be informative if Elecraft's team, would
share & give us some assurance that they are 
protecting their product software, firmware, and
source and object code - for all the products.  

Maybe, as a company in Calif., they can address also
the escrow status - from a customer's point of view. 
Legally, and from a customer's (via purchase orders,
etc.) -  I'm not sure what the fine print does or
should say.  Hopefully there is little risk to all
of us - and it isn't anything like that 50mpg
carbureator that GM had hidden and locked up
in the back room - way away from the U.S. public.

73, Fred, N3CSY
NY/FL






   

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[Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc

2007-06-08 Thread Don Rasmussen
The K2 sounds better to me in both examples.

What do you think, Eric? ;-)


Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc
Subject:  [Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc 
From:  "Tom Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Marteinn Sverrisson TF3MA wrote:
"If K2 sounds better than most modern rigs, then
listen to the soundfiles on
http://www.qslnet.de/member/df7tv/nc2030pn.html
and compare the sounds of NC2030 and K2,  in my
opinion the NC2030 is far superior sounding under
these conditions, compared to K2, judging from
these recordings."



Is it July yet?

Tom, AK2B

 

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[Elecraft] K2: first snag...

2007-06-08 Thread KU4YP

Hello all, 

Well, I hit my first snag. The voltage at R30 is maintained at 2.33
volts. I checked and made sure the values at C72 and L30 are correct. 

The manual makes reference to checking troubleshooting but when I
look in the troubleshooting reference, it is not readily visible to me where
the instructions are. 

Anyone else had this problem? R30 should be at 6 volts. I don't know
how else to wind t5. 

Any help or words of wisdom appreciated. 

73 mike ku4yp 


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Re: [Elecraft] waaaay OT: Russian Woodpecker

2007-06-08 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)

Wow - I'd love to see the rotator! How do I join the local radio club?

Swiss woodpecker 
http://gallery.ham-radio.ch/main.php?g2_itemId=9099&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 
it's a  Wryneck.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - 
From: "DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




http://pripyat.com/ru/internet_photo/chernobyl_2/1/1627.html


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[Elecraft] waaaay OT: Russian Woodpecker

2007-06-08 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

http://pripyat.com/ru/internet_photo/chernobyl_2/1/1627.html
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[Elecraft] Sherwood report and K3 agc

2007-06-08 Thread Tom Hall
Marteinn Sverrisson TF3MA wrote:
"If K2 sounds better than most modern rigs, then listen to the 
soundfiles on http://www.qslnet.de/member/df7tv/nc2030pn.html
and compare the sounds of NC2030 and K2,  in my opinion the NC2030 is
far superior sounding under these conditions, compared to K2, judging from
these recordings."

Most people don't pay too much attention to the way a receiver sounds until
they hear something truly better.
In my last foray into ham radio in 2004 I purchased a Ten Tec Pegasus. I
liked the fact that it could be controlled by a computer.

At some point along the way I decided I wanted to hear what the "best"
receivers sounded like. I put in an order for an Orion but was told they
were back-ordered for several months. I didn't want to wait. The next thing
down the line was the K2 and I figured that was close enough - from what I
had heard. I built the QRP version and it sounded great. So, I thought I
would set the Pegasus up for dual receive and use its 100 watts for TX and
listen on the K2. Actually I wired up a switch so I could listen to the
Pegasus in one ear and the K2 in the other. Geez, what a mistake! After a
while I found that I didn't really need the 100 watts and sold the Pegasus.

The NC2030 is a little gem. I built both versions and can tell you without a
doubt it is an exceptionally clean and quiet sounding receiver. In fact all
aspects of Dan Tayloe's masterpiece were carefully thought out. The
transmitter also sounds excellent. The NC2030 wasn't intended for mass
production but, rather, it seems to me, a labor of love. 

Elecraft radios are intended for mass production and, as a company; I
believe their products are built pretty much the same way. How many
companies of any type could you say that about these days?

Is it July yet?

Tom, AK2B



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[Elecraft] K2 just born

2007-06-08 Thread Gary D Krause
K2 #6113 was born yesterday evening.  It works great!  I'll be making my first 
contact with it this weekend.  I spent some time going through the operating 
manual and listening last night.  I've already built the SSB module but, I may 
not install it since I have another rig to work SSB with and I work mostly CW 
anyway.


I really like the tone and receive quality.  The features are outstanding and 
it seems very easy to navigate.  It was a great experience building it and 
wasn't difficult at all.  If anyone is considering building one, I would say 
go for it.  Some say that it is expensive but, that's if you compare it to 
other rigs.  What sets it apart is the quality and performance which you may 
not get is other rigs costing much more.  That's just my opinion, of course.


I'm really looking forward to operating with K2.

Thanks Elecraft!

Gary, N7HTS



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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

David Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

FWIW the external plug-in Eddystone S-meter (Cat.669/E)for the 640 has 
printed on the scale "1 DIVISION = 4db", OTOH the internal S-meter on my 
680X says "1R = 6db".



Interesting, the 640 manual I have refers to the external S-meter ( no Cat.
reference) as a 200 uA full scale deflection meter, and then goes on to list
S units from 1 to 9 in terms of current indicated quote "based on a figure
of 6db change per unit" unquote, after the meter had been set to zero with
the "aerial and earth terminals shorted". From this and your comment it
would appear that there were two versions of  'S' meter used with the 640
based on different values of S unit increment.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - SSB Carrier Offset Menu Item?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Downs

Thank you Elecraft for responding to my question by adding to the FAQs. I am
pleased with the answer.

Also thanks to Julian (G4ILO) for his comment.

Roll on first shipments!

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK



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Re: [Elecraft] Tachometers, S-meters, Baby's bath.

2007-06-08 Thread K4tmc

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Conker

2007-06-08 Thread Tom Hammond

At 02:31 06/08/2007, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

A few people have asked me what a 'Conker' is, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conker


Here in 'the colonies', we call them buckeyes!

As a child, I used to collect them... for some odd reason.  Had 
several trees in the back yard.


73,

Tom   N0SS




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Re: [Elecraft] K2 circuit breaker

2007-06-08 Thread Don Wilhelm

Charles,

It would contain the upgrade (and should have blue toroids for L16 and 
RFC1, L15 not populated).
BUT - do check the value of C31.  If C31 is .22uf you have *all* the 
latest pieces, but if C31 is a 33nf cap, then you have one of those 
troublesome 'intermediate' KPA100 kits that were shipped before the C31 
problem was discovered.


73,
Don W3FPR

charles wrote:

On Friday 08 June 2007 01:18, Don Wilhelm wrote:

If you are seeing erratic HI SWR on your antenna, consider that the
KPA100 could be oscillating (especially if it happens on 40 meters) - if
that is suspected, I recommend that you add the KPA100UPKT.  If your
KPA100 kit was shipped after last December, it already has the upgrade,
but if it is earlier, it is wise to add it.


Nr 5901 was shipped on 13th December 2006.
Would it contain the upgrade?

Charles - M0BIN

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[Elecraft] Tachometers, S-meters, Baby's bath.

2007-06-08 Thread Darwin, Keith
Wow, very interesting discussion about S-meters, units, K3, etc.

It is clear that we all care quite a lot about these S-meters.  I
greatly prefer operating a rig with one even if it is not accurate.  It
gives me something to look at during a QSO.

We're at risk of throwing the baby out with the bath water.  If the
meter is not giving absolute measurements of signal strength it is still
useful.  If the meter is not linear (constant dB per s-unit) it is still
useful.  Having something to give a visual indication of signal strength
is useful.  Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Having a meter that is calibrated at S9 makes the meter more useful.
Having it give linear response makes even more better!!  Better for
whom?  Better for me as the rig user.  If I know the scale is 6 dB per
unit, I can use that to compare antenna performance, and to just get a
feel for how many dB of change is required to make a difference.

Knowing the actual voltage level at the antenna terminal tells me
nothing.  Sorry, all I really want is a relative measure.

Years ago, I had a Ford Bronco.  I put a tach into the vehicle but left
the switch set to 4-cyl.  That doubled my measurement.  So, when the
engine ran 2000 RPM, the tach read 4000.  It took a day or so to switch
my brain, but I got used to the engine idling at 1300 rpm, and shifting
at 5000.  What I got in exchange was a tach that gave twice the
resolution.  I got to use more of the tach's range.  It performed better
for my purposes than if it had been run "correctly".  I see the K3's
s-meter options to be much the same.  It allows the user to adjust the
S-meter to work the way they find most useful.  Very sweet.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...

each S unit should
represent a 6db change in signal level from S9 downwards. This 'standard'
had been used certainly in Regions 1 and 2 as far as I know by or before
1946, but most people gave reports based on how well a signal was being
received not by S meter readings (if you had a S meter!!). As an aside I
have the manual for an ancient Eddystone 640 receiver which makes note of
this 'standard'.


FWIW the external plug-in Eddystone S-meter (Cat.669/E)for the 640 has 
printed on the scale "1 DIVISION = 4db", OTOH the internal S-meter on my 
680X says "1R = 6db".

--
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
--


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[Elecraft] Signal Strength, RST, S-Meter, etc.

2007-06-08 Thread K4tmc

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[Elecraft] FS:K2 #5048 and KPA100/KAT100

2007-06-08 Thread Ken Kaplan

Hi guys.
I have my second K2 #5048 for sale.
Included is a KPA100/KAT100 in separate EC2 cabinet.
The K2 was built with the Rework Eliminators, interior picture
is on www.unpcbs.com homepage. Picture of the front of both units at 
http://www.wb2art.com/K2/K2.JPG.
K2 has the KIO2 installed. Also supplied will be the K160 and KAF2 
options (built /working but not installed). Also included is an XG1
generator. I have all the manuals. Interconnecting cables for the 
K2/KPA100/KAT100 included (RF cables) and a 'Y' cable for the serial 
controller K2/KPA100/KAT100 to computer. I can supply power cords for 
both units, I have Anderson power poles at one end (KPA100 has power 
poles at both ends).

Asking $1300 (pickup) or $1350 (UPS ground shipped to continental US).
I am on Long Island in Sayville, if you wish to pickup (I would prefer 
that). This weekend I will be in Barrington, RI (south of Providence). 
If you contact me today via email ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
631-467-7795 before 1:00pm today, Friday) I will transport to RI and you 
can pickup in Barrington.
(No SSB option installed, but you can get one and just plug it in, no 
desoldering necessary).

Thanks for the posting space.
tnx es 73 Ken WB2ART
www.wb2art.com
www.unpcbs.com

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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: June 9 - July 8, 2007

2007-06-08 Thread Ken Newman

~
N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR
June 9 - July 8, 2007 
~

GACW WWSA CW DX Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Jun 9, 1500z to Jun 10, 1500z
Rules: http://gacw.no-ip.org/contest.html
~
ANARTS WW RTTY/Digital Contest 
Jun 9, z to Jun 10, 2400z

Rules: http://anarts.com.au/rules2007.htm
~
ARRL June VHF QSO Party 
Jun 9, 1800z to Jun 11, 0300z

Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html
~
NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
EDT: Jun 12, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM
UTC: Jun 13, 0030Z to 0230Z
Rules: http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/contests.html
~
West Virginia QSO Party (SSB/CW)... QRP Category
Jun 16, 1600z to Jun 17, 0200z
Rules: http://www.qsl.net/wvsarc/
~
AGCW VHF/UHF CW Contest ... QRP Category
Jun 16, 1600z to 1900z (144 Mhz)
Jun 16, 1900z to 2100z (432 Mhz)
Rules: http://www.agcw.org/agcw-con/2007/Englisch/agcw-dl0_e.htm
~
Quebec QSO Party (All) ... QRP Category
Jun 16, 1700z to Jun 17, 0300z
Rules: http://www.raqi.ca/qqp/qqp-e.pdf
~
RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST ***
EDT: Jun 17, 9 PM to 11 PM
UTC: Jun 18, 0100z 0300z
Rules: http://www.gentzow.com/fpqrp/
~
Marconi Memorial Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Jun 23, 1400z to Jun 24, 1400z
Rules: http://www.arifano.it/Contest_Marconi.htm
~
ARRL Field Day (CW/SSB/RTTY)... QRP Category
Jun 23, 1800z to Jun 24, 2100z
Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html
~
QRP ARCI Milliwatt Field Day (ALL)... QRP Contest!
Jun 23, 1800z to Jun 24, 2100z
Rules:  http://www.qrparci.org
~
RAC Canada Day Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Jul 1, z to 2359z
Rules:  http://www.rac.ca/service/infocont.htm
~
Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) ... QRP Contest!
Jul 3, 0100z to 0300z(First Monday 9 PM EDT)
Rules: http://www.arsqrp.com/
[First monday 9PM EDT]
~
MI QRP Fourth of July Sprint (CW) ... QRP Contest!
Jul 4, 2300z to Jul 5, 0300z
Rules:  http://www.qsl.net/miqrpclub/contest.html
~
VK/trans-Tasman Contests (160m Ph) ... QRP Category
Jul 7, 0800z to 1400z
Rules: http://home.primus.com.au/vktasman/
~
Original QRP Contest (CW) ... QRP Contest!
Jul 7, 1500z to Jul 8, 1500z
Rules:  http://www.qrpcc.de/contestrules/oqrpr.html
~

QRP ARCI Summer Homebrew Sprint (CW) ... QRP Contest!
Jul 8, 2000z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.qrparci.org
~

Thanks to SM3CER, WA7BNM, N0AX(ARRL) and others 
for assistance in compiling this calendar. 


Please foreward the contest info you sponsor to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
we will post it and give it more publicity.

If you wish to subscribe to the Calendar,
send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Anyone may use this "N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar" for your website,
newsletter, e-mail list or other media as you choose.  
(Include a credit to the source of this material of course.)

72 de
Ken Newman - N2CQ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.amqrp.org/contesting/contesting.html
http://www.n3epa.org/Pages/Contest/contest.htm

   


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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

IMHO you are correct. As I understand it R and S were intended to report on
how well a signal was being received with T being an honest report of 'tone'
in the case of CW signals. I believe that the matter of signal reports began
to become 'confused' sometime before I first got on the air in 1946 when
somebody had proposed that a 50uV signal at the receiver's input should
result in a S9 reading on the 'S' meter, and that each S unit should
represent a 6db change in signal level from S9 downwards. This 'standard'
had been used certainly in Regions 1 and 2 as far as I know by or before
1946, but most people gave reports based on how well a signal was being
received not by S meter readings (if you had a S meter!!). As an aside I
have the manual for an ancient Eddystone 640 receiver which makes note of
this 'standard'.

Worthy of note is that the input impedance of different types of receiver
having a 'S' meter varied considerably, some as high as 600 ohms for direct
connection to open wire feeders, with the result that the signal power level
required to produce a 'standard' S9 reading was not the same in all cases.

My personal preference is for a real 'S' meter that wiggles calibrated in
dbm at receiver input, but I do not use the 'S' meter when giving reports
unless antenna comparisons are being made for example.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

Kevin Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people?  I thought 
RST was to be honest reportage.

  Kevin.  KD5ONS



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[Elecraft] conkers? chuffed?

2007-06-08 Thread J F
This colonial boy is a bit disturbed... there seems to
be an verbiage invasion occurring on the Elecraft
Reflector!

Please, a little enlightenment for those of us in the
dark lands ;o)

Thanks!
Julius
n2wn  
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Re: [Elecraft] RST or S - meter readings?

2007-06-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
IMHO you are correct. As I understand it R and S were intended to report on 
how well a signal was being received with T being an honest report of 'tone' 
in the case of CW signals. I believe that the matter of signal reports began 
to become 'confused' sometime before I first got on the air in 1946 when 
somebody had proposed that a 50uV signal at the receiver's input should 
result in a S9 reading on the 'S' meter, and that each S unit should 
represent a 6db change in signal level from S9 downwards. This 'standard' 
had been used certainly in Regions 1 and 2 as far as I know by or before 
1946, but most people gave reports based on how well a signal was being 
received not by S meter readings (if you had a S meter!!). As an aside I 
have the manual for an ancient Eddystone 640 receiver which makes note of 
this 'standard'.


Worthy of note is that the input impedance of different types of receiver 
having a 'S' meter varied considerably, some as high as 600 ohms for direct 
connection to open wire feeders, with the result that the signal power level 
required to produce a 'standard' S9 reading was not the same in all cases.


My personal preference is for a real 'S' meter that wiggles calibrated in 
dbm at receiver input, but I do not use the 'S' meter when giving reports 
unless antenna comparisons are being made for example.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Kevin Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do people really use a meter to give signal reports to people?  I thought 
RST was to be honest reportage.

  Kevin.  KD5ONS



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[Elecraft] Interfacing to a linear

2007-06-08 Thread JACrux
Thanks Wayne. I'm sure the K3 will handle it. Either the linear has a fast 
acting (vacuum) relay as in my TenTec Herc II, or it has an ancient WW2 
clunker like my 3x811A homebrew. Some (adjustable) delay is needed before 
sending RF to the linear. But an adjustable "hang-in" time is needed as well, 
because I for one would not like to attempt full VOX/QSK with the clunker ! 
The TenTec QSK keying loop is good, but not necessarily needed if the timing 
can be set sensibly. TenTec provide fast and slow QSK options. It should be 
at least as easy to program this into the K3, thanks to the memory available.

But if there really is enough memory, then how about upgrading the built-in 
keyer to handle Ultimatic mode ?   "Iambic" mode is a mediaeval hangover from 
around 45-50 years ago when electronic keyers used vacuum tube flip-flops. 
Iambic mode was the easy way out; its not very useful and I hate having to 
re-adapt to it when I go back to the K2. Yes, I should use my Versakeyer on 
the K2, but I don't want to meddle with #609, now up to over 280 countries. 
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
John  G3JAG
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 circuit breaker

2007-06-08 Thread charles
On Friday 08 June 2007 09:46, charles wrote:
> On Friday 08 June 2007 01:18, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > If you are seeing erratic HI SWR on your antenna, consider that the
> > KPA100 could be oscillating (especially if it happens on 40 meters) - if
> > that is suspected, I recommend that you add the KPA100UPKT.  If your
> > KPA100 kit was shipped after last December, it already has the upgrade,
> > but if it is earlier, it is wise to add it.
>
> Nr 5901 was shipped on 13th December 2006.
> Would it contain the upgrade?

I was a bit too hasty in sending off the above.
I realized after sending that I should have clarified that 5901 is a 
K2/100 :o)

The manual for the KPA100 that I have is Rev D dated September 22 2006.

I asked the original question above because the K2 and the KPA100 were shipped 
prior to the end of last December and therefore may require the KPA100UPKT 
upgrade.

Charles - M0BIN
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: S-meter calibration (redux)

2007-06-08 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/8/07, Dave Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I never add /QRP to my call and don't put it in my log or on QSL
cards. I always get 599 reports in the pileups. Those who send /QRP
always get 459 reports or similar.


I might send [space] QRP after my call, or say QRP if on SSB, when
calling a DX station. The DX will sometimes recognize "QRP" when he
doesn't manage to pick anything else out of the pileup.

I don't think there is anything wrong in using it in that way as it
simply means "running low power". But I wouldn't use it as a call
suffix, and I don't use it at all most of the time as it would just be
a waste of bandwidth.
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Julian, G4ILO
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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[Elecraft] Re: K3: S-meter calibration (redux)

2007-06-08 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 8 Jun 2007 at 4:04, G4ILO
> But who cares about S meters? I run QRP. Nearly every report I get is
> 599. Most of the people I work are not running QRP so I'm not about to
> offend them by giving a lower report than I got. Besides, while he's
> sending his first over I'm entering his details into the log and never
> even think to look at the meter before it's my turn to reply.

Being also a QRP operator, I usually get 599 reports except in casual 
QSOs and some QRP contests. I also strongly object to the practice of 
some operators who claim to be running 5W adding /QRP to their 
callsign - it is actually not legal under the UK licence. It has no 
advantage and only serves to slow down the QSO rate.

I never add /QRP to my call and don't put it in my log or on QSL 
cards. I always get 599 reports in the pileups. Those who send /QRP 
always get 459 reports or similar.

As for S meters, I normally do it by ear, though occasionally tell a 
chap he is a genuine s9 when the meter shows that. I am always 
sceptical by those who say 'you are 59+60dB on the meter'. Do they 
not realise what an enormous signal that actually is???

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 circuit breaker

2007-06-08 Thread charles
On Friday 08 June 2007 01:18, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> If you are seeing erratic HI SWR on your antenna, consider that the
> KPA100 could be oscillating (especially if it happens on 40 meters) - if
> that is suspected, I recommend that you add the KPA100UPKT.  If your
> KPA100 kit was shipped after last December, it already has the upgrade,
> but if it is earlier, it is wise to add it.

Nr 5901 was shipped on 13th December 2006.
Would it contain the upgrade?

Charles - M0BIN
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[Elecraft] [OT] Conker

2007-06-08 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
A few people have asked me what a 'Conker' is, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conker
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If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of the
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Re: [Elecraft] Just what isn't user definable?

2007-06-08 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: "Thom LaCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Be aware that the K3 senses the technical prowess of the user, so some 
menu options may be hidden from Appliance Operators like myself.




If the K3 gets any more advanced it will probably take one look at my shack 
and then call Swiss Post to have itself shipped back home to Aptos.


Simon 'Waiting for a K3' HB9DRV 


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