[Elecraft] RE: K3 speech processor (was Microphones (was electronic product standards))

2008-02-15 Thread Gary Hvizdak
Fri 15 Feb 2008 at 01:17:44 EST Alan Bloom wrote

I read years ago that speech processors like pre-emphasized audio
(louder highs, quieter lows).  And the heavier the processing the more
pre-emphasis is optimum.  Does anyone know if the K3 speech processor
does that automatically?

--

Hi Alan,

According to the Owner's manual, the K3 has ...

1. An RF speech processor which provides adjustable speech compression in dB
(although it doesn't state the maximum compression).

2. 8-Band TX audio graphic EQ +/- 16 dB/octave.

... from the descriptions of these features I would guess that the answer
to your question is, no it doesn't do that automatically.  However, the good
news is that the sort of emphasis and de-emphasis you describe can be
accomplished manually via the equalizer.

   To properly do what you describe automatically would probably require
factoring in your specific voice and microphone characteristics (probably by
reciting a known phrase) and IMHO is way beyond the scope of what the K3
firmware should do.  I think it would be better to perform this kind of
processing via a PC sound card.

   That said, I believe several users have already requested the ability to
save multiple user preferences.  With such a capability you could tailor a
few different equalizer profiles and (manually) provide a similar
capability.  All you would have to do is to select the matching EQ profile
as you change compression.  Hopefully this won't be the sort of thing that
you will be changing frequently, and you will only have a few EQ profiles to
choose from.

73,
Gary  KI4GGX
K3 S/N TBD

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[Elecraft] K3: Serial No 401 arrives!

2008-02-15 Thread paul.bradbeer2
K3/100 Ordered on 29th May with deposit, shipped 8th Feb and arrived in Lincoln 
(Lincolnshire, not Nebraska..)on 14th Feb. Very pleased.  Happy days!  Paul 
M0CVX (ex-AC5NO)

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[Elecraft] K3: try out CW decoder this weekend

2008-02-15 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
OK all you slow CW or no cw ops out there.  This weekend is the
ARRL DX TEST on CW.  It's the world working USA/VE and USA/VE working
the world (but not each other).

http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2008/intldx.html

Outside USA/VE sends RST + power level
USA/VE sends RST + state/prov

Load your outgoing cw message into one of the K3 memories and turn on
your CW Decoder ring and the CWT function.  CW is just another
digital mode if you can't do it in your head at an average of 30-32
wpm.  Load your memories at QRS speeds but send them out at 25-32 wpm
(ymmv).
Get on, work lots of DX/states/prov and have fun!

BTW, got up a few minutes earlier today (0815z) and found VP6DX on
80cw.  One call with the K3 barefoot to an inverted V at 50' from NJ
put him in the log.  The bands are HOPPING!

HAVE FUN

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Not All Hams are Technicians (WAS: Microphones)

2008-02-15 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Agreed Dave! Hams are not necessarily electronics technicians or engineers.
Many simply want to operate with what they feel is the best commercial gear
their budget will allow. 


However, very few hams have their installations professionally installed 
and monitored, so hams do have to be technicians to at least a small 
extent, unless they want to be limited in the same way as legally 
operated CB stations.  The very minimum they need is to be able to 
recognize when a system exceeds their ability to evaluate its 
interference potential and safety risks, and install it properly, so 
higher powers need more technical skills.  It's also been the case that 
people have argued, on this list, that type approval should be abandoned 
for commercial amateur radio equipment on the basis that all hams are 
trained technicians, not that I agree with that.


(Low power users need technical skills in order to get the best of their 
limited equipment, rather than for safety reasons.)



We've always had that disparity among Hams. Decades ago, before
radiosporting was popular, those operators were largely traffic-handlers
in the days when a telephone call to a city 100 miles away was both
expensive and difficult. Hams offered an excellent way for people to pass


In the UK, and I suspect most countries, such traffic handling was 
illegal (recently there are some relaxations) on the basis that it 
undermined the businesses of the telephone companies and commercial 
users of radio. The current relaxations are probably more to do with 
stopping the reduction in the number of amateurs self training than in 
reduced threat to businesses, although the reduced cost of commercial 
communication channels would be a factor, too.


The reason that the radio regulations have special provisions for 
disaster relief are to override the ban on third party traffic in a case 
 where public policy considers that commercial considerations should be 
overridden.  On the other hand, spectrum pricing (creating a market for 
radio spectrum) actually means that governments would prefer that 
services not be provided for free on the basis of cheap amateur radio 
licences.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Dr. Werner Furlan
hi Simon, 

On 14 Feb 2008 at 11:30, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

 Taking things a step further - it would not be at all difficult to
 allow other programs to send K3 commands to / from the K3 through
 another program.
 
 This program (server) controls the serial comms and supports an
 unlimited number of clients. The clients speak to the radio using the
 radio's native protocol through the server.

I have read something about a software project that should allow several 
programs connect to a server and thus remote control different rigs. If I 
remember right, the project worked in a way that the commands to the 
server were in a unique language, and the server passed on the transceiver 
specific code. (something like ADIF in log programs if such a comparison is 
allowed)

I have to look if I can find a more specific reference to this project, but as 
you are more into this you'll probably know about it. 

73! de Werner
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
Actually I gave some thought to this project this morning, specifically 
allowing many programs simultaneous and transparent access to a K3 where the 
programs talk K3 CAT.


My conclusion is that it's easy, the hard part having been written already 
by Phil N8VB, specifically his virtual serial cables. I have all the code I 
need for this, once running programs such as DXLab, the CW Skimmer program 
etc. would just connect to a virtual serial port such as COM22. I see no 
show-stoppers, performance would be / could be excellent.


It is very tempting to write this, maybe after the SSTV / HamDRM and WSJT 
code is sorted out in one of my projects. I see that it would be of great 
benefit to the K3 community, especially the users who are able to run two or 
more programs at once. Of course I'm talking about a Windows MFC C++ 
solution.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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From: Dr. Werner Furlan [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I have read something about a software project that should allow several
programs connect to a server and thus remote control different rigs. If I
remember right, the project worked in a way that the commands to the
server were in a unique language, and the server passed on the transceiver
specific code. (something like ADIF in log programs if such a comparison 
is

allowed)




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RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread N2TK
 
Made my first RTTY QSO ever using the CW-to-RTTY feature to work VP6DX.
Neat. Programmed M1 for my send message and programmed M2 with my response.
Also got into a QSO with a CE last night. I need to hook up to a PC or
something so I can use a keyboard. This should make it easier when
chatting.

73,
N2TK, Tony
#311

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:30 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven K3s!) in RTTY 
mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This would be an auspicious 
occasion to give it a try, if you haven't already. It's quiet easy to 
do, as explained in one of our Operating Tips. See:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] K3 adjust advice

2008-02-15 Thread Charles Harpole

Pse some K3 adjustment advice to this appliance operator:
 
1.  My K3-100 factory blt # 309 has vy loud brief noise bursts... specifically 
the effect if a vfo were transmitting and vy rapidly swished past my rcve freq. 
The resulting blast of tone is much louder than the voice I am listening to and 
hurts my ears with headphones on.  What to do?
 
2.  S-3 to 7 BCI on 160-80-40 and 20 with 2.0 filter setting (wider is 
worse)... I hear AM voice syllibants (puff sounds) and plosives and 
occasionally distorted music.  This mostly across the bands and definitely is 
not a single harmonic, altho those come and go from time to time, also.  I have 
the ICE BCI filter in ant. line just behind rig.  Using 4 different antennas. 
OK station gnd.  What to do?
 
Gripes:
-Info line on the B VFO space disappears too fast for me after pushing a button 
and getting info in that line.
-Auto notch on hetrodyne not effective with BW wider than 2.6... no notching.
-Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.
-rig needs a balance control (is it there???) to compensate for one ear being 
less sensitive than the other (got old fast).
-Heard a 10 over 9 signal ELEVEN kc below its fundamental splatter or 
deficient selectivity??? BW 1.9 and 1.60 settings.
-Auto SPOT seems not to work every time (may be operator error)... Same is true 
with CW or RTTY decoding read-out.
 
Brags:
-VOX on ssb is really super, best I have ever used and best I can imagine.
-AGC is vy nice except for pops in #1 above.
-CW speed and RF power read-out on the dial... nice.
-Delta f amber light is nice reminder.
-The ATU is lightning fast amazing.
-Main knob feel is a delight and tuning rates (selectable) are perfect.  Too, 
nice to hv the rapid QSY also on the RIT knob!-AF selectable volume boost is 
needed and is good.
-Rig is physically beautiful and control layout is super... any smaller and 
trouble, tho.
-Really tacky feet keep light weight rig on the table ok.
-Band width graphic on the big dial and many others being there is great.  
Dial color is vy nice and vy adjustable.
 
Needs:
-Video output of main dial info and a panadapter (bandscope) big and urgent 
need for me.
-Direct keybrd input to send CW and RTTY (is it there now?) to go with the nice 
CW/RTTY reader.
-Individual band select buttons for direct one-push entry.
-Book needs a list of the front and rear controls by name, number on the 
illustrations and brief function description (separate from the narrative 
version that is in the book now).
-Book needs a good index.  Contents page is not enuf.
 
73,
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Re: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Dave:

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE at
which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can send
them to the K3 using the internal keyer...

If you send CW at 20 WPM to the K3, then each character will be sent at 45.45
baud, but there will be a lot of dead space between each sent character. If you
send CW to the K3 at, say 40 WPM, the characters will still go out at 45.45
bauds, but there'll be less dead time between them...

RTTY sent from MEMORY is converted into RTTY at a character speed somewhat less
that 'full RTTY character speed' because of the conversion process required to
generate the RTTY, but it's probably faster than most of us can (accurately)
send CW by hand via a keyer.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 19:45 02/14/2008, T. David Yarnes wrote:
Hopefully you won't think I cheated, but I put a message in one of 
the memory cells  to use for calling.  Working a pile-up can get a 
bit tiresome sending by hand all the time. So I put DE W7AQK W7AQK 
W7AQK K K K  in memory to do my calling.  Then when VP6DX came back 
(after several tries) I retuned using the paddle.  I guess you could 
even put the sig report response in a memory, but I chose not to.


But I have a question!  At what baud rate does a message come out of 
memory on RTTY?  On CW its at the rate you have your keyer set.  So, 
should I turn the speed up on RTTY?


Dave W7AQK


- Original Message - From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer


Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven K3s!) in 
RTTY mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This would be an 
auspicious occasion to give it a try, if you haven't already. It's 
quiet easy to do, as explained in one of our Operating Tips. See:


   http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 adjust advice

2008-02-15 Thread dj7mgq

Hi Charles,

You might want to try [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) for numbers one and two.



Concerning #1) Do you have NR turned on when you hear the bursts?  
There was a problem with this several firmware revisions ago.



Concerning #2) Here in Europe I have not noticed anything like this,  
and there are medium and short wave transmitters roughly 4 to 5 miles  
from our club station, where I usually have my K3. Are you sure that  
these products are being produced in your K3 and, for example, not by  
oxidized connectors or the like?




Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.


It's in the manual, page 24: Hold MAN to adjust the manual notch frequency
using VFO B. This also selects manual notch.



Auto SPOT seems not to work every time


My experience is, if a signal is not strong enough or if there is more  
than one signal audible then it does have problems auto-tuning.



vy 73 de toby

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RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread Darwin, Keith
I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a RTTY-iot :-).
When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the operator's typing
speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent in a burst
when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?

If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
wpm?

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hammond

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE
at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can
send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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Re: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread T. David Yarnes

Keith,

See the post by Tom Hammond about an hour before your post. 
Tom explains it pretty well I think.


Dave W7AQK

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From: Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without 
a computer



I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a 
RTTY-iot :-).
When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype 
machine) how fast
are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the 
operator's typing
speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent 
in a burst

when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?

If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is 
the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive 
inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower 
than 60

wpm?

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hammond

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), 
BUT the RATE
at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how 
fast you can

send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread Tom Hammond

Hi Keith:

Back in 'the good/bad old days'... when we used model 43 teleprinters,
well before computers, 60 WPM RTTY (45.45 baud) characters were SENT
at 45.45 bauds, but they were generated at or below the speed at which
the operator could type. If he could type 60 WPM, then there was a
steady (60 WPM) stream of characters sent out... if he typed at 20 WPM,
then there was a stream of 45.45 baud characters... spaced out more
widely between each (sent) character. When we started using paper tapes,
the stream of 45.45 baud characters was continuous while the tape was
being read and sent.

With a computer, if text is 'buffered' for sending, then it will be
sent out (still at 45.45 baud character generation speed) but also at
60 WPM character speed.

If someone is using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature, and sending at 20 WPM,
it will be much akin to watching someone TYPING RTTY using the hunt 'n
peck typing method... maybe the 1-finger typing method.  There will NOT
be added spaces between characters (as long at the CW-sending operator
sends good clean CW at whatever speed he's sending. IF, however the CW
op allows excessive spaces between characters within a word (e.g. sends
HEL LO instead of HELLO the K3 will interpret the first attempt to be
two words and it WILL 'force' a word space between the two chunks of
the intended single word, so the RTTY op will receive HEL LO instead of
HELLO.

So... the name of the game when using the K3's CW-to-RTTY conversion
feature is to SEND AT A SPEED AT WHICH YOU CAN SEND COMFORTABLY _AND_
CLEANLY, WHILE GENERATING CLEAN, WELL-FORMED WORDS AND SENTENCES.

The K3 can't 'guess' at what you wanted to send, nor can it guess at
whether the text you sent was properly spaced... it will send WHAT YOU
SEND! So there's not reason to try to impress anyone with sending faster
than YOU can send cleanly... because your fist WILL be reflected in what
the K3 spits out...!  A good way to tell, is to have CW DECODE enabled
while you are sending... if you see garbage being decoded on-screen
while you're sending, then you're probably the cause of that garbage.
BACK OFF and regroup!

73,

Tom   N0SS



I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a RTTY-iot :-).
When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the operator's typing
speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent in a burst
when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?

If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
wpm?

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hammond

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE
at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can
send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread dj7mgq

Hi Keith,


When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
are chars sent?


Depends on how you look at it. The speed of a character is always the  
same (bit speed) and this defines the baud rate. The number of  
characters per minute depend on your typing speed, assuming that you  
can not type so fast that the machine no longer has enough time to get  
the 5 bits per character out.



If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
wpm?


If you are not transmitting from a stored text (paper strips with  
holes were used for this on the old machines), then gaps are normal.  
Many people feel it is good to use the shift to letter character as  
a diddle during the gaps.


vy 73 de toby

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[Elecraft] Ducie Sounds Great!

2008-02-15 Thread Lee Buller

The k3s on Ducie aresount great here in Kansas.  Starting at 5:38 this 
morningI worked them on 80 SSB, 80 CW, 40 SSB and 40 CW ... all in about 35 
minutes.  The audio on the rigs were just fantastic.  Clear.  CW is sharp and 
nice to copy

Tomorrow160 meters

They have some fantastic ops with great ears.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Tom AK2B

Software that interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to learn
to play with each other.  Developers have to stop writing code assuming
there isn't a need for other software to also simultaneously interface with
the rig.  Standards have to be developed and quickly adopted that will
facilitate exposing the rig's entire CAT functionality to any number of
programs while still preserving CAT responsiveness during fast paced
contesting. 

73,
Barry N1EU

When you set up the CAT section of CW Skimmer you are using a program called
Omni-Rig. Omni-Rig is Alex’s (VE3NEA) attempt at providing a universal
control for several programs to use the same COM (Component Object Module)
interface and the same serial port. Each radio is represented by an .INI
file that can be created by the user if one doesn’t already exist. It is a
fairly simple interface that works well with the K3, CW Skimmer and MixW
(the only ones I’ve used). There are several software companies that already
support Omni-Rig. http://www.dxatlas.com/OmniRig/  You can download client
software to test commands for the K3 and get further information.

Tom, AK2B




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[Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Barry McWilliams
Speaking of the K3's computer interface - I've noticed that no K3 
responses are generated for the following K3 front panel buttons: RIT, 
XIT, AGC OFF, DUAL PB, NB, NR and NTCH.  Also, the response for XFIL is 
always FW.  I am using the most recent firmware.

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[Elecraft] Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

2008-02-15 Thread Niel Skousen
I assume that the VP6DX RTTY is being computer generated for the most 
part...


Any idea if the CW-RTTY feature is being used on their end ?

Niel
WA7SSA
KX1
K2 #096
(waiting for my K3, ordered last day of '07...)
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[Elecraft] VP6DX K3 to K3 on 160

2008-02-15 Thread G3SJJ

My 160m QSO is in the log, VP6DX-K3 to G3SJJ-K3. Nice one.

Currently listening to them on 40m at s7 long path, s3 on short path. 
1454z. Pair phased gp.


Chris G3SJJ
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 6216 On Air For First Time

2008-02-15 Thread Ken, KA0W
Hello Richard!

good to hear your K2 is up and running.

I'm starting Assembly, Part III today (Friday).
Perhaps by the end of the weekend will have the K2/100
going as well. 

I listened on 40m for the past couple of days and it
does do very well in the noise. I find it more
pleasant to listen to then my FT-1000D and Orion II. I
was hoping for that.

Have fun with the K2!

Ken, KA0W








--- Dianne  Richard Gething [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi 
 
 My K2 is finally on the air for the first time.
 
 CW contact with VK7EE in Hobart on 80 mtrs from here
 in Melbourne. 
 
 Using the K2 barefoot with 10 watts, into a Z Match
 antenna coupler, and 600 ohm open wire line to a
 dipole. A bit rough with my hand key but got through
 OK. The rig performed great, particularly the Rx
 filters, as it was a bit noisy. 
 
 Thanks to all, particularly Don Wilhelm, to get me
 to this stage.
 
 The next stages are to build the KSB2 and K2/100. 
 
 Looking forward to DX contacts next. Hope to contact
 some of you in the future.
 
 Thanks again 
 
 73's  Richard  VK3AGQ.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 adjust advice

2008-02-15 Thread Greg - AB7R
The Auto-Spot function performs best when the filter is narrow.  I find no 
problems 
when the filter is set at 500 Hz.  It also works in PSK but not (yet) for FSK.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Fri Feb 15  5:46 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

Hi Charles,

You might want to try [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) for numbers one and two.


Concerning #1) Do you have NR turned on when you hear the bursts?  
There was a problem with this several firmware revisions ago.


Concerning #2) Here in Europe I have not noticed anything like this,  
and there are medium and short wave transmitters roughly 4 to 5 miles  
from our club station, where I usually have my K3. Are you sure that  
these products are being produced in your K3 and, for example, not by  
oxidized connectors or the like?


 Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.

It's in the manual, page 24: Hold MAN to adjust the manual notch frequency
using VFO B. This also selects manual notch.


 Auto SPOT seems not to work every time

My experience is, if a signal is not strong enough or if there is more  
than one signal audible then it does have problems auto-tuning.


vy 73 de toby

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[Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Lee Buller

I know the sub-receiver is not available yetnor is my money...but that is 
another issue all together.  I digress

Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII came in 
real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that.  From reading the 
manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and you can listen on B by 
using the REV button and holding it to listen.  

Is that correct?  And, for those people who use a K3, how did that work for 
you?  Is it a clean operation? 

I've done that before with other rigs, but the DUAL-WATCH is pretty cool.  I 
guess the only way the K3 will do that is with the sub-receiver.  One thing I 
do like is seperate VFO dials on the K3 which the PROII does not have.

And then there is the cost of more filters for the sub-receiver.

Got to save some more dollars.  Comments?

Lee - K0WA
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[Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Instead of tones being generated for us to hear, can't it emit (from
the top speaker) TAPS, CLUNKS, and BELLS. What about the sound of a
carriage shifting from LTRS to Numbers and back?  And while we're at
it, how about emitting the smell of oil?  Ya think it could also
shake the floor a little?

Now THAT would be something

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread Lee Buller


How about a little bit of Ozone smell too?

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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread G3SJJ
I have done this for all 5 band slots, on both modes, I have worked 
VP6DX on so far including 20 CW just now. Likewise I am used SO2V on the 
sub rx in my FT1kMP, (presumably that's what you mean by Dual Watch?) . 
The main problem is not the K3 but is the stations in the pile-up. It is 
ever so simple. If he sends your callsign you transmit, if he doesn't 
send your callsign you don't transmit! What bit of that don't they 
understand?!


Chris G3SJJ



Vic K2VCO wrote:

Lee Buller wrote:


Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII
came in real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that.
From reading the manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and
you can listen on B by using the REV button and holding it to
listen.

Is that correct?  And, for those people who use a K3, how did that
work for you?  Is it a clean operation?


Yes, that's how it works. You can use one hand to hold the REV button 
and turn the knob, with a little practice.


It works as well as any radio with a single receiver can. You can 
switch back and forth rapidly, but you can't listen to both VFOs at 
the same time 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Barry N1EU

I doubt that any of the popular contest logging programs (e.g. N1MM Logger,
Writelog) are going to work with Omni-Rig.  Omni-Rig does not expose a
transparent serial port interface that would make all of a rig's CAT
commands accessible to multiple (unmodified) programs.  Omni-Rig requires
using a COM/OLE programming interface to send the rig most CAT commands.

We need a solution like N8LP and HB9DRV have been talking about lately.


73,
Barry N1EU



Tom AK2B wrote:
 
 Software that interfaces to rigs over the single RS-232 port need to
 learn to play with each other.  Developers have to stop writing code
 assuming there isn't a need for other software to also simultaneously
 interface with the rig.  Standards have to be developed and quickly
 adopted that will facilitate exposing the rig's entire CAT functionality
 to any number of programs while still preserving CAT responsiveness during
 fast paced contesting. 
 
 73,
 Barry N1EU
 
 When you set up the CAT section of CW Skimmer you are using a program
 called Omni-Rig. Omni-Rig is Alex’s (VE3NEA) attempt at providing a
 universal control for several programs to use the same COM (Component
 Object Module) interface and the same serial port. Each radio is
 represented by an .INI file that can be created by the user if one doesn’t
 already exist. It is a fairly simple interface that works well with the
 K3, CW Skimmer and MixW (the only ones I’ve used). There are several
 software companies that already support Omni-Rig.
 http://www.dxatlas.com/OmniRig/  You can download client software to test
 commands for the K3 and get further information.
 
 Tom, AK2B
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Jerry Flanders

At 04:35 AM 2/15/2008, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
Actually I gave some thought to this project this morning, 
specifically allowing many programs simultaneous and transparent 
access to a K3 where the programs talk K3 CAT.


My conclusion is that it's easy, the hard part having been written 
already by Phil N8VB, specifically his virtual serial cables. I have 
all the code I need for this, once running programs such as DXLab, 
the CW Skimmer program etc. would just connect to a virtual serial 
port such as COM22. I see no show-stoppers, performance would be / 
could be excellent.


A few weeks ago I needed to have one serial output feed several 
serial inputs and assumed that N8VB's VCOM could be set up as a 
virtual Y cable to allow this, but was not able to get it to work - 
it would allow only one output per input. If there is a way, I would 
like to know how - I still need this functionality.


Jerry W4UK 


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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Greg - AB7R
You have it right Lee.

It works fine.  A bit awkward at first I have to admit, but after a couple 
times it's 
easy.  Especially if you've done it that way before on other radios.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Fri Feb 15  8:09 , Lee Buller  sent:


I know the sub-receiver is not available yetnor is my money...but that is 
another issue all together.  I digress

Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII came in 
real 
handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that.  From reading the 
manual, to 
operate split that B is the Xmit and you can listen on B by using the REV 
button 
and holding it to listen.  

Is that correct?  And, for those people who use a K3, how did that work for 
you?  Is 
it a clean operation? 

I've done that before with other rigs, but the DUAL-WATCH is pretty cool.  I 
guess 
the only way the K3 will do that is with the sub-receiver.  One thing I do like 
is 
seperate VFO dials on the K3 which the PROII does not have.

And then there is the cost of more filters for the sub-receiver.

Got to save some more dollars.  Comments?

Lee - K0WA
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any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any 
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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Vic K2VCO

Lee Buller wrote:


Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII
came in real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that.
From reading the manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and
you can listen on B by using the REV button and holding it to
listen.

Is that correct?  And, for those people who use a K3, how did that
work for you?  Is it a clean operation?


Yes, that's how it works. You can use one hand to hold the REV button 
and turn the knob, with a little practice.


It works as well as any radio with a single receiver can. You can switch 
back and forth rapidly, but you can't listen to both VFOs at the same time.

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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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[Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
I know the sub-receiver is not available yetnor is my money...but that 
is another issue all together.  I digress  Uh...when I was working 
Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII came in real handy, and I 
understand the stock K3 cannot do that.  From reading the manual, to 
operate split that B is the Xmit and you can listen on B by using the 
REV button and holding it to listen.  Is that correct?  And, for those 
people who use a K3, how did that work for you?  Is it a clean operation? 
I've done that before with other rigs, but the DUAL-WATCH is pretty cool.  I 
guess the only way the K3 will do that is with the sub-receiver.  One thing 
I do like is seperate VFO dials on the K3 which the PROII does not have. 
And then there is the cost of more filters for the sub-receiver.  Got to 
save some more dollars.  Comments?  Lee - K0WA


I worled 'em just using XIT.  But a sub-receiver would be great.  I got used 
to having a sub-receiver on my MKV, and am looking forward to getting one in 
my K3.  Now, if you want to save some $s on filters, you need to decide if 
you even need extra filters.  I don't have any extra filters so far.  Since 
I am not working in a nearby high power contest environment, and don't have 
any close neighbors running high power, the lack of additional filters 
hasn't seemed to cause me any grief.  The K3 DSP filtering is superb!


Phil - AD5X 


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RE: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Jim
It's workable. Worked Ducie split on several bands and 12 meters without the
amp on. Yes, REV, like older Icoms  the new 7700. It works. 

Jim

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Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation


I know the sub-receiver is not available yetnor is my money...but that
is another issue all together.  I digress

Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII came in
real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that.  From reading
the manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and you can listen on B
by using the REV button and holding it to listen.  

Is that correct?  And, for those people who use a K3, how did that work for
you?  Is it a clean operation? 

I've done that before with other rigs, but the DUAL-WATCH is pretty cool.  I
guess the only way the K3 will do that is with the sub-receiver.  One thing
I do like is seperate VFO dials on the K3 which the PROII does not have.

And then there is the cost of more filters for the sub-receiver.

Got to save some more dollars.  Comments?

Lee - K0WA
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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread Dave Martin
I used to have a Model 15 sitting on a small WW2 U.S. Army wooden
typewriter table.  When it did a carriage return it would just about
go up on two legs.

Dave  W5DHM

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Lee Buller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  How about a little bit of Ozone smell too?

  Lee - K0WA




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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread w6jd
Yes, it does work well if you dont have fat fingers! Several times
I've managed to cancel SPLIT in the heat of battle producing
lots of embarrassment and UPs.

73,
Red Faced Doug, W6JD
K3 #23

-- Original message -- 
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Lee Buller wrote: 
 
  Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII 
  came in real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that. 
  From reading the manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and 
  you can listen on B by using the REV button and holding it to 
  listen. 
  
  Is that correct? And, for those people who use a K3, how did that 
  work for you? Is it a clean operation? 
 
 Yes, that's how it works. You can use one hand to hold the REV button 
 and turn the knob, with a little practice. 
 
 It works as well as any radio with a single receiver can. You can switch 
 back and forth rapidly, but you can't listen to both VFOs at the same time. 
 -- 
 73, 
 Vic, K2VCO 
 Fresno CA 
 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Convergence

2008-02-15 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
If I can make good enough progress with my current SSTV / HamDRM work then 
I'll put this together late March 2008. This is the only approach that will 
work properly, initially it will be for CAT support only, that is it will 
not be designed for DTR / RTS toggling etc. which we don't need with the K3 
anyway. It will work with W2K / XP / VISTA, the limitation being N8VB's 
serial cable code which does work on W2K I think (I know it works on XP and 
VISTA).


I'll think about making source code available - I use 3rd-party programming 
libraries which I cannot ship (www.codejock.com) but were anyone to obtain 
these they could recompile.


Also I'll think about having read-only access - some programs like to watch 
all data being read from the radio, for example (I think) StepIR and some 
amplifiers such as that one from Italy - Expert-something-1K.


Speaking of amplifiers...

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread Roger D Johnson

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, it does work well if you dont have fat fingers! Several times
I've managed to cancel SPLIT in the heat of battle producing
lots of embarrassment and UPs.

73,
Red Faced Doug, W6JD
K3 #23

-- Original message -- 
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Lee Buller wrote: 

Uh...when I was working Ducie, the DUAL-WATCH feature of my 756PROII 
came in real handy, and I understand the stock K3 cannot do that. 
From reading the manual, to operate split that B is the Xmit and 
you can listen on B by using the REV button and holding it to 
listen. 

Is that correct? And, for those people who use a K3, how did that 
work for you? Is it a clean operation? 
Yes, that's how it works. You can use one hand to hold the REV button 
and turn the knob, with a little practice. 

It works as well as any radio with a single receiver can. You can switch 
back and forth rapidly, but you can't listen to both VFOs at the same time. 
--
73, 
Vic, K2VCO 
Fresno CA 
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco 


My old TS-940 had the same thing only they called it T-F button. It was
a pain to hold the button in for very long. I thought the up/dwn buttons
on the mic were rather silly with a big VFO knob just inches away so I
brought the T-F button out to the mic jack. Since I use a Heil headset,
I made a small box with 3 pushbutton switches. 1 for PTT, 1 for VFO A/B
switch and 1 for the T-F function (listen on VFO B). I could just sit
back with the box in my hand and not have to reach up to the radio.
Worked very well!

73, Roger

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 question

2008-02-15 Thread Ingo Meyer (DK3RED)

Hello Geoff,

I have a quick question, as I have been using an MFJ tuner to a balanced 
feedline on a doublet, and have not built a balun for the K2/KAT2 yet.  
Is there a bypass mode for the KAT2 such that I can use an external 
tuner?  ATU AUTO, of course, causes the KAT2 to go thru a tune cycle 
when pressing the TUNE button on the K2.


Yes, its possible. If you use the KAT2 as SWR/wattmeter only, the matching network 
is disabled/bypassed. Switch your KAT2 via the menu to CALS (for SWR display) or 
CALP (for power meter).

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[Elecraft] RE: K3 speech processor (was Microphones (was electronic product standards))

2008-02-15 Thread Alan Bloom
What would be nice is for the speech processor to add variable
pre-emphasis that depends on the amount of compression AND still allow
you to use the equalizer to provide additional tailoring to your
individual voice.  That way you would only need one equalizer setting
that would work for all compression levels.

Al N1AL

On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 00:11, Gary Hvizdak wrote:
 Fri 15 Feb 2008 at 01:17:44 EST Alan Bloom wrote
 
 I read years ago that speech processors like pre-emphasized audio
 (louder highs, quieter lows).  And the heavier the processing the more
 pre-emphasis is optimum.  Does anyone know if the K3 speech processor
 does that automatically?
 
 --
 
 Hi Alan,
 
 According to the Owner's manual, the K3 has ...
 
 1. An RF speech processor which provides adjustable speech compression in dB
 (although it doesn't state the maximum compression).
 
 2. 8-Band TX audio graphic EQ +/- 16 dB/octave.
 
 ... from the descriptions of these features I would guess that the answer
 to your question is, no it doesn't do that automatically.  However, the good
 news is that the sort of emphasis and de-emphasis you describe can be
 accomplished manually via the equalizer.
 
To properly do what you describe automatically would probably require
 factoring in your specific voice and microphone characteristics (probably by
 reciting a known phrase) and IMHO is way beyond the scope of what the K3
 firmware should do.  I think it would be better to perform this kind of
 processing via a PC sound card.
 
That said, I believe several users have already requested the ability to
 save multiple user preferences.  With such a capability you could tailor a
 few different equalizer profiles and (manually) provide a similar
 capability.  All you would have to do is to select the matching EQ profile
 as you change compression.  Hopefully this won't be the sort of thing that
 you will be changing frequently, and you will only have a few EQ profiles to
 choose from.
 
 73,
 Gary  KI4GGX
 K3 S/N TBD

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 question

2008-02-15 Thread geoff allsup
Thanks to all who replied!  10 minutes after emailing, I found the answer in the manual!  A bit 
fuzzy with the flu here - maybe I should get some rest before I toast something in my K2!!!


geoff - W1OH

Ingo Meyer (DK3RED) wrote:

Hello Geoff,

I have a quick question, as I have been using an MFJ tuner to a 
balanced feedline on a doublet, and have not built a balun for the 
K2/KAT2 yet.  Is there a bypass mode for the KAT2 such that I can use 
an external tuner?  ATU AUTO, of course, causes the KAT2 to go thru a 
tune cycle when pressing the TUNE button on the K2.


Yes, its possible. If you use the KAT2 as SWR/wattmeter only, the 
matching network is disabled/bypassed. Switch your KAT2 via the menu to 
CALS (for SWR display) or CALP (for power meter).


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[Elecraft] K3 #426

2008-02-15 Thread Norm Duxbury
K3 #426 just found its home here in New Smyrna Beach, FL.  Now, what do I
do, start building or work the ARRL CW test?  Guess.

73, Norm - W1MO
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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread Bob
What is this used to have a Model 15 stuff?  That is still current 
technology in my shack.  Well
at least the marriage of past and relatively current technology.  I have 
a Yaesu SP-5 speaker with
the Timewave DSP 59Y in it.  Also in the case are the power supplies to 
run it along with the
circuitry to drive the Model 15 selector magnets.  They had a very early 
serial port that required

HV DC.

So my question for the K3 Guru's is about this as I will keep the Model 
15 running even if just
for nostalgia..   Is the decoded  Baudot available anywhere within the 
K3 or is all the real RTTY

activity buried within the software?

73,
Bob
K2TK
K2  owner
Potential K3 owner


Dave Martin wrote:


I used to have a Model 15 sitting on a small WW2 U.S. Army wooden
typewriter table.  When it did a carriage return it would just about
go up on two legs.

Dave  W5DHM

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Lee Buller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


How about a little bit of Ozone smell too?

Lee - K0WA


   



 




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Re: [Elecraft] K2: K1EL K40 Keyboard Keyer

2008-02-15 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Hi Matt
The K40 output probably looks like a handkey.
Go into the menu and select handkey instead
of paddles and you should be ok.
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Matt Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: K1EL K40 Keyboard Keyer


 Hi,

 I'm was wondering if there was anyone on this reflector who uses the
 K1EL K40 with their K2?  I am having some difficulty getting mine to
key
 the K2 and was looking for some guidance.  I know the K40 works as
it
 works fine with my other rigs but they all work with a mono cable
and I
 notice the K2 manual says a stereo cable is required for external
keyers.

 73 Matt
 W5LL
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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread Ken Kopp

You forgot the flinging of oil around the room when the cover was off!

Used to used a BC-610 and a Model 26. (;)

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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RE: [Elecraft] Not All Hams are Technicians (WAS: Microphones)

2008-02-15 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
David wrote:
In the UK, and I suspect most countries, such traffic handling was 
illegal (recently there are some relaxations) on the basis that it 
undermined the businesses of the telephone companies and commercial 
users of radio. 

-

Forgive my US-centric view David. It is also my understanding that the USA
was a bit out-of-the-ordinary in the fact that traffic handling has been
encouraged throughout the history of Amateur Radio here. After all, that was
why Maxim and his colleagues formed the American Radio *Relay* League back
before WWI when the maximum range of most stations was a few hundred miles
at best, so a network of stations was needed to pass traffic across the
continent. 

In the USA, commercial messaging companies complained but WWI put an end to
that. The large number of trained, ready-to-go operators that were available
when the USA entered the war brought recognition from the President of the
USA on down. 

However, the US rules also strictly forbade any amateur traffic containing
business or other important communications that would normally be handled by
a commercial carrier. Obviously, that has resulted in a lot of discussion
and litigation ever since, but the training of skilled telegraphers and
message handlers was a recognized cornerstone in the justification for the
hobby here. Much positive publicity occurred around Amateur traffic
handling, such as the famous example in 1921 when ARRL member stations on
the east coast accepted a message for a recipient on the west coast. It was
sent, delivered, and a reply returned to the sending station on the east
coast in at total of 6-1/2 minutes for the complete exchange! That was the
stuff of headlines in a day when the fastest traffic system most people knew
about was an expensive telegram that might take hours to go across the
country. Amateurs gained a great deal of favorable publicity and recognition
by demonstrating public officials could communicate quickly and efficiently
through the Amateur network if needed. 

Right along with that came the work of Amateurs in emergency communications,
providing first-ever inside information about disasters with requests for
specific aid and the first health and welfare messages telling those
outside the area the status of their friends and relatives.  

By the time I joined the hobby in the 1950's, there were a large number of
experienced Hams who believed that the only real justification for their
license was to build and maintain a station that was very reliable and
efficient, and to maintain an strict, regular schedule of checking into
daily traffic nets. Their dedication to handling traffic was at least as
great as any radiosport enthusiast's dedication to scoring in a contest
today. 

My point was that there has always been, in the USA at least, a large number
of Hams whose primary interest is in setting up and operating the best
station they can afford. As others point out, American Hams must still know
how to properly operate and adjust their equipment to ensure they meet FCC
regulations. The current license exams focus largely on testing this
knowledge. I suspect that's true world-wide. But many Hams care little about
what goes on under the hood of their rigs beyond the end results in making
contacts, nor do they need to for their purposes. 

In my view, they are as much Hams as those, like myself, whose primary
interest is in designing and building communications equipment. And I
heartily agree with you about keeping and protecting that privilege to build
our own gear. As more and more Hams are less interested in building, it's
important we not lose sight of the fact that much useful and important
technical experience is gained by Hams who do tinker with their gear, and we
contribute significantly to the communications art. 

Ron AC7AC  

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT2 question

2008-02-15 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message, geoff allsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ...

Is there a bypass mode for the KAT2 such that I can use an external 
tuner?  ATU AUTO, of course, causes the KAT2 to go thru a tune cycle 
when pressing the TUNE button on the K2.


Yes, Geoff, you will have met that while building your K2.  If you want 
to bypass the ATU, in the menu set ATU Pout.


73
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[Elecraft] K2: K1EL K40 Keyboard Keyer

2008-02-15 Thread Matt Patterson

Hi,

I'm was wondering if there was anyone on this reflector who uses the 
K1EL K40 with their K2?  I am having some difficulty getting mine to key 
the K2 and was looking for some guidance.  I know the K40 works as it 
works fine with my other rigs but they all work with a mono cable and I 
notice the K2 manual says a stereo cable is required for external keyers.


73 Matt
W5LL
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[Elecraft] K3 #410 arrives

2008-02-15 Thread Doug Shields
Hello all,
The famous brown box was delivered this afternoon.  K3/100 #410 has a
new home in Stuart, Florida.  There is some assembly required but that will
be fun.  I placed my order on May 30 with no deposit.  The K3 will look very
good next to older brother, K2 #5000.

Doug  W4DAS


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[Elecraft] Elecraft] Sub-RX Feature or Spilt Operation

2008-02-15 Thread ni0c
N1RJ wrote: My old TS-940 had the same thing only they called it T-F button. 
It was
a pain to hold the button in for very long. I thought the up/dwn buttons
on the mic were rather silly with a big VFO knob just inches away so I
brought the T-F button out to the mic jack. Since I use a Heil headset,
I made a small box with 3 pushbutton switches. 1 for PTT, 1 for VFO A/B
switch and 1 for the T-F function (listen on VFO B). I could just sit
back with the box in my hand and not have to reach up to the radio.
Worked very well!

My TS-850S had the T-F switch brought out to the optional RM-1
 remote unit (about the size and shape of a computer mouse). 
This was very convenient.  (Hint, hint, Elecraft)

My understanding of split operation with the K3 (without the sub-RX)
is that it works exactly the same way as the K2.  Is this correct?

73,
Chuck Guenther NI0C
K2/10 s/n 5853
 

 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:


Instead of tones being generated for us to hear, can't it emit (from
the top speaker) TAPS, CLUNKS, and BELLS. What about the sound of a
carriage shifting from LTRS to Numbers and back?  And while we're at
it, how about emitting the smell of oil?  Ya think it could also
shake the floor a little?


And one of the buttons should cause it to send
ryryryryryryryryryryryryryry
and another sends
the well known fox test phrase

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Re: [Elecraft] wish list for K3/RTTY

2008-02-15 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/15/08 11:11:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 How about a little bit of Ozone smell too?

Sure - just go here:

http://w5jgv.com/downloads/MVI_0101.AVI

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] K3, and PSK

2008-02-15 Thread AD9P

Is there a way to mute the speaker while operating PSK ?
So far I have not been able to get PSK figured out just yet on the K3.
Serial number 400 went together great, and operates very well on CW, es SSB. 
But the Digital Modes (PSK) is still cloudy .
Thanks
Al
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, and PSK

2008-02-15 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Turn the AF or Monitor down?


On 16/2/08 00:13, AD9P [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 
 Is there a way to mute the speaker while operating PSK ?
 So far I have not been able to get PSK figured out just yet on the K3.
 Serial number 400 went together great, and operates very well on CW, es SSB.
 But the Digital Modes (PSK) is still cloudy .
 Thanks
 Al
 AD9P

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[Elecraft] PSK speaker muting?

2008-02-15 Thread Ken Kopp

I must be missing what you're asking ...

It's a visual mode, so just turn the volume down ...?

Unless you're using the speaker/headphone jack/s and
the mic jack for your interface connections ...

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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RE: [Elecraft] K3, and PSK

2008-02-15 Thread Greg
Actually if its during TX, he should turn down MON.

Greg


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:06 PM
To: AD9P; Crafters
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, and PSK


Turn the AF or Monitor down?


On 16/2/08 00:13, AD9P [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:


 Is there a way to mute the speaker while operating PSK ?
 So far I have not been able to get PSK figured out just yet on the K3.
 Serial number 400 went together great, and operates very well on CW, es
SSB.
 But the Digital Modes (PSK) is still cloudy .
 Thanks
 Al
 AD9P

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[Elecraft] VSWR

2008-02-15 Thread Roger D Johnson

Does the K3 cut back the power under high SWR conditions?
Very handy when tuning up GG linear.

73, Roger

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[Elecraft] K3 # 407`

2008-02-15 Thread Nick
K3 # 407 ordered on May 24th arrives just in time for the CW DX contest.

Vy 73,

Nick NT1A
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RE: [Elecraft] VSWR

2008-02-15 Thread Charles Harpole

I donna know, but I just loaded up 17 feet of unterminated coax with the K3 ATU 
and it got a 1.6 to 1 . Mistaken selection of ANT 1 or 2, of course.Charles 
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[Elecraft] K2 just quit working.

2008-02-15 Thread Gary Krause
My K2 #6113 just quit working.  I was listening to the 40 meter band and 
all of a sudden no signal, and no audio.  The display works but, the 
frequency is frozen.  The only other control that works is the power 
level.  None of the buttons work and the frequency can't be changed.  
There are no error messages on power up and it powers up as normal with 
Elecraft and then goes to the frequency. 

I'm getting ready to take out the control board and have a look.  Any 
help would be appreciated.


I recently had a problem with SSB transmitting just stopping so, I may 
be related.


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 just quit working.

2008-02-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

Gary,

The first order of business would be to look for an unsoldered 
connection.  The likely places are the Control Board and the Front Panel 
board.  Sorry, but I cannot speculate further without additional 
information.  If you do not find that elusive solder connection, then 
you should begin troubleshooting with the DC voltage measurements - 
again, the Control Board and the Front Panel Board are the initial prime 
suspects.


73,
Don W3FPR

Gary Krause wrote:
My K2 #6113 just quit working.  I was listening to the 40 meter band 
and all of a sudden no signal, and no audio.  The display works but, 
the frequency is frozen.  The only other control that works is the 
power level.  None of the buttons work and the frequency can't be 
changed.  There are no error messages on power up and it powers up as 
normal with Elecraft and then goes to the frequency.
I'm getting ready to take out the control board and have a look.  Any 
help would be appreciated.


I recently had a problem with SSB transmitting just stopping so, I may 
be related.



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 just quit working.

2008-02-15 Thread Gary Krause
I took out the control board and checked the solder connections.  I re 
flowed some of them that looked suspect.  My K2 is now up and running again.


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS

Gary Krause wrote:
My K2 #6113 just quit working.  I was listening to the 40 meter band 
and all of a sudden no signal, and no audio.  The display works but, 
the frequency is frozen.  The only other control that works is the 
power level.  None of the buttons work and the frequency can't be 
changed.  There are no error messages on power up and it powers up as 
normal with Elecraft and then goes to the frequency.
I'm getting ready to take out the control board and have a look.  Any 
help would be appreciated.


I recently had a problem with SSB transmitting just stopping so, I may 
be related.


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS
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[Elecraft] Rtty in its many garbs

2008-02-15 Thread Earl Bailley
To  Tom HAMMOND.

You seem the only one concerned or knowledgeable  about rates and speeds.

During my ten years ttravelling Africa I saw lots of Tape TTY and lots of 
manual oeration from the central.  WOW. The most interesting part was the 
insistance thay they (the country in question) were operatinmg at the 
international  (TELEX) standard.  9 times out of ten they were communicating 
with other countries which assumes  tying to a standard. They werent. Almost 
every convertor I sold needed its own header to appear transparent. If I sold 
them the wrong thing nothing would work.  Never happened! The TELEX system 
works all over the world becasue of work arounds.  EGOs prevent change To try 
and explain was beyond my skills and really undesired

I  manually used to lock a 32 the keyboard at distributor speed and I could 
even do column work therein What is TELEX these days?

Morse was ever better  to my taste

73

Earl W7TK
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[Elecraft] Subject Lines

2008-02-15 Thread Fred Jensen
I get the reflector in digest mode. 

Thanks to all for putting the Elecraft product ID at the beginning of 
your subject line.  It has helped a lot.  I have one request beyond that 
however.  Could you put some words in the subject line [after the 
Elecraft product ID] to give us a clue as to what this is about.  K3 
Question followed by multiple Re K3 Question emails is a lot to go 
through.


Thanks,

73,

Fred K6DGW
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[Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Ken Kopp
I've just found and loaded a font with a slashed  0 into 
Windoze ...


Does anyone have experience with non-radio use of a 
slashed zero (0)?  Do postal ZIP code readers read it 
OK?  Banking?  PayPal?


If anyone wants the font, e-mail me off-reflector and
I'll provide forward it to you.  The plain text requirement
for the reflector deletes the slash, but it -IS- here. (:-)

Yes, WAY off topic, but there's LOTS of knowledge 
here ..


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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or
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Mark Bayern
We used a slashed zero on DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.) computers. My
experience with them was from 1966 to about 1975. At the time others
were using a rounded O(letter oh) and a squared 0(zero). I found the
slashed zero much easier to use.

Mark  AD5SS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Production

2008-02-15 Thread George Cortez Jr
Thanks to all who took the time to work on the wiki. It gives me some 
data to plot when my K3

will arrive! (I have nothing to do :))

George NE2I





Don Rasmussen wrote:

The K3 making machine seems to be in WARP drive, with
125 K3's delivered 


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[Elecraft] WTB K1 with Tuner

2008-02-15 Thread Curron HILL

Looking for a K1 with built in tuner


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[Elecraft] K2 doesn't work with mic connected

2008-02-15 Thread Gary Krause
I thought I had a problem with the control board originally.  When I 
turned on the K2 the Elecraft would come up and then go to the 
frequency.  However, everything was frozen.  Nothing worked and the 
frequency couldn't be changed.  I re-installed the control board, turned 
it on and everything worked fine until I plugged in the mic.  Then 
everything froze again.  Unplug the mic and everything comes back to 
life.   I checked the jumpers for my mic configuration and they are 
correct.  I'm using a Kenwood MC-60 mic with an internal preamp.  
However, I don't use the preamp but, I have the jumper installed for 
it.  Any ideas?


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS
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[Elecraft] K3 Production

2008-02-15 Thread Don Rasmussen
The K3 making machine seems to be in WARP drive, with
125 K3's delivered between mid December and Mid
January - increased to 175 K3's going from mid January
to mid February. What's most amazing about this number
is the quality and complexity in each box. 

The head scratcher though, is that K3 #365 was ordered
May 3 (pre-Dayton), and K3 #407 is post Dayton,
ordered on May 24. Given that over 300 K3's were sold
the first weekend it was offered (April 27), it would
seem that Elecraft is well known and trusted within
the group of people that are previous owners of their
gear, but maybe not so much in the mainstream? 

One thing is for certain, the wait time is coming
down!

Doing some CQWW tonight, N1MM fired up at 38,400 with
no problems at all, and the minor chore of throwing
together a patch cord and testing it was made SOOO
easy by the TEST function on the K3. The guys at
Elecraft are always a step ahead of me it seems!

Have ZM1 and KH6 sor far, so good... !

http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Serial_Numbers
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RE: [Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
In the late 1960's some IBM system programmers decided to use the solidus
(slash) through the letter O to differentiate it from the simple circle
that was used for zero at Sylvania's Electronic Defense Laboratories where I
worked as a writer. 

It turned up in thousands of pages of output. I don't know if it was an IBM
corporate decision or one made by the hordes of programmers in white coats
who ministered to the huge room full of spinning tape drives and blinking
lights at the Sylvania facility. (Yes, if you've ever seen an old James Bond
movie about a computer center with all the tape drives, blinking lights and
other gee-gaws, the real thing looked like that in the 60's. We mere
mortals had a second-story walkway, safely outside the walls, where we
could peer through windows and down at the white-coated servants as they
scurried about between rows of tape drives and other mysterious racks of
equipment serving the needs of the big machine.) 

The slashes through every letter O made reading anything in plain
English produced by the system very difficult. 

That practice died a fairly quick and certain death. Perhaps it was because
all of us writers, engineers and others who had to actually read the output
of the system converged outside of the computer facility with pitchforks,
burning torches and the like. 

As Mark pointed out, Digital and some others followed the communications
industry standard and put the solidus through their zeros, just as
telegraphers had done for a century by the mid 50's and teletypes and telex
machines had done for decades by then. With appropriate prodding, the
programmers on the Sylvania IBM system followed suit. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

We used a slashed zero on DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.) computers. My
experience with them was from 1966 to about 1975. At the time others were
using a rounded O(letter oh) and a squared 0(zero). I found the slashed zero
much easier to use.

Mark  AD5SS

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 doesn't work with mic connected

2008-02-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

Gary,

You seem to be having several problems that cannot logically be related 
to each other.
I suggest that you re-check all your soldering.  Look at it with a 
critical eye.  A good solder joint should have a concave fillet that 
tapers off to an almost invisible edge on both the solder pad and the 
component lead.  If your solder connections have a convex shape to them, 
they have too much solder applied, and that alone can mask a bad solder 
joint.  Unfortunately, the only cure is to wick away most of the solder 
and reflow the remaining (perhaps adding a tiny bit of new flux and solder.
If your solder connections do have that 'rounded' convex appearance, the 
most likely cause is that inadequate heat was applied to the solder pad 
during the soldering process.  Use an iron temperature of 700 degrees F 
or greater (I routinely use 750 degrees).


If when re-flowing the solder you see flux still boiling out of the 
solder joint, that may mean again that not enough heat was used originally.


I cannot emphasize strongly enough - use adequate heat when soldering.  
The solder should flow within 2 to 3 seconds when the solder is applied 
to a spot where the direct heat of the iron tip is *not* placed.  If it 
takes longer than that, your iron is not hot enough.  Few components 
will be damaged by a hot soldering iron applied for a short time (up to 
5 seconds), but they can be damaged by a soldering temperature that is 
too cold because things have to 'heat soak' for a long period to 
properly flow the solder.  Normally 700 deg F. is enough, but some 
boards like the KSB2 and the KPA100 have more extensive ground planes 
and the copper area will wick away the heat more quickly, so a 
temperature of 750 deg F or even 800 deg F is appropriate for these boards.


73,
Don W3FPR

Gary Krause wrote:
I thought I had a problem with the control board originally.  When I 
turned on the K2 the Elecraft would come up and then go to the 
frequency.  However, everything was frozen.  Nothing worked and the 
frequency couldn't be changed.  I re-installed the control board, 
turned it on and everything worked fine until I plugged in the mic.  
Then everything froze again.  Unplug the mic and everything comes back 
to life.   I checked the jumpers for my mic configuration and they are 
correct.  I'm using a Kenwood MC-60 mic with an internal preamp.  
However, I don't use the preamp but, I have the jumper installed for 
it.  Any ideas?


Thanks,
Gary, N7HTS
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[Elecraft] K3

2008-02-15 Thread AD9P

I noticed while scanning the reflector that setting the K3 Line in gain at 5
to 10, and the K3 Line out Gain should be set at the default setting of 30 .  
After resolving a software issue I do have PSK working to some degree.  
Being able to set the line in gain, es the line out gain would help.
I cannot find these functions in the Menu.  What am i missing? 
what a neat little radio.
Thanks
Al
AD9P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Bill W5WVO

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:


In the late 1960's some IBM system programmers decided to use the
solidus (slash) through the letter O to differentiate it from the
simple circle that was used for zero at Sylvania's Electronic Defense
Laboratories where I worked as a writer.


Ron, I remember that thankfully short-lived experiment, from probably around 
1972.  :-)  I worked for a tax company that ran returns in a service bureau 
that was all IBM mainframe gear and IBM-trained ops and programmers. For a 
while I was rather confused, because I thought EVERYBODY used the slash 
through the zero, not through the alpha O -- after all, hams did it that way! 
I knew that much! I was told in no uncertain terms that the slash went through 
the O, not the zero. But after that one job that year, I never heard of it 
again.


Nice to know that IBM didn't successfully dictate everything in the computer 
world -- nor does even Microsoft do so today. An idea still has to be a GOOD 
idea and have some merit, even if the most meritorious idea doesn't 
necessarily win 100% of the time...


Bill W5WVO

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RE: [Elecraft] K3

2008-02-15 Thread Greg
Al,

When in data mode the MIC control varies the LINE-IN gain.

There's a CONFIG menu item for LIN OUT gain.

73
Greg
AB7R




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I noticed while scanning the reflector that setting the K3 Line in gain at 5
to 10, and the K3 Line out Gain should be set at the default setting of 30 .
After resolving a software issue I do have PSK working to some degree.
Being able to set the line in gain, es the line out gain would help.
I cannot find these functions in the Menu.  What am i missing?
what a neat little radio.
Thanks
Al
AD9P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
My recollection was that the slashed letter O was a COBOL thing.

I'd just gotten out of the Navy where I'd learned to slash the number
0, and it was a wrench.

I just looked at one of my 1401 Autocoder books, and it doesn't show
the slashed O (or 0).  Neither does the 7040 MAP book or listing.

73, doug

   From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:29:03 -0800

   In the late 1960's some IBM system programmers decided to use the solidus
   (slash) through the letter O to differentiate it from the simple circle
   that was used for zero at Sylvania's Electronic Defense Laboratories where I
   worked as a writer. 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Type font question

2008-02-15 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:06:45 -0700, you wrote:

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

 In the late 1960's some IBM system programmers decided to use the
 solidus (slash) through the letter O to differentiate it from the
 simple circle that was used for zero at Sylvania's Electronic Defense
 Laboratories where I worked as a writer.

Ron, I remember that thankfully short-lived experiment, from probably around 
1972.  :-)  I worked for a tax company that ran returns in a service bureau 
that was all IBM mainframe gear and IBM-trained ops and programmers. For a 
while I was rather confused, because I thought EVERYBODY used the slash 
through the zero, not through the alpha O -- after all, hams did it that way! 
I knew that much! I was told in no uncertain terms that the slash went through 
the O, not the zero. But after that one job that year, I never heard of it 
again.

Nice to know that IBM didn't successfully dictate everything in the computer 
world -- nor does even Microsoft do so today. An idea still has to be a GOOD 
idea and have some merit, even if the most meritorious idea doesn't 
necessarily win 100% of the time...

Bill W5WVO

[snip]

The last time I used TSO with a green screen, the zero was a zero with a dot in
the middle.  This was at Lockheed Martin in Ft. Worth about two years ago on a
contract.

I seem to remember that in the early 80's at General Dynamics (same place
different name) it was as I described above.

As a high speed radio CW operator in the Army I was trained to slash a circle.
No one said it was a slashed zero or a slashed letter 'O'.  The shape was not
important as long as the slash was there.  We also slashed the letter 'Z' to
distinguish it from the number '2', but as I have seen many times, we did not
slash the number '7'.

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