Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)

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From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Also look at DXLabs from Dave AA6YQ.


Which is free! http://www.dxlabsuite.com/ 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction (NR) in FM Mode

2008-06-06 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
If I remember correctly it was Collins who first came up with the idea of 
using a simple secondary 'noise receiver' to blank the main receiver in HF 
SSB mobile installations using the KWM -1 and / or KWM-2A transceivers. The 
secondary 'noise' receiver was tuned to a frequency above 30 MHz and had its 
own small whip antenna.


The FM receivers in our old RCA 'Carphone' series of VHF Land Mobile rigs 
used hard limiting before the discriminator to get rid of impulse noise and 
other AM gremlins.


A modified version of the Collins system provides very effective noise 
blanking when used in a receiver covering the ham bands. Usually the noise 
receiver which provides the blanking pulses is tuned to a frequency clear of 
signals just outside of the band in use so that the main receiver is not 
blanked by strong unwanted in-band signals, which can be a problem with 
blankers driven by in-band noise especially during contests. One name given 
to this arrangement many years ago is the 'Evasive Noise Blanker'.


Further improvement in overall receiver performance can be gained by 
removing the noise blanking gate, which is usually in the main receiver's 
signal path ahead of the IF filter(s), and use the blanking pulses from the 
noise receiver to turn the LO injection to the first mixer on and off - 
quite easy to do if any 'logic' is used in the LO system. The next 
improvement is aimed at dealing with storm static!


Sorry to have drifted off subject!

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD.


Matt Zilmer  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Friday, June 06, 2008 at 6:24 AM




At least with the Motorola Syntor X, they used a separate and very
simple receiver to pick out impulse noise and used this secondary RX
detector output to poke holes in the main RX audio.  They called it an
Extender and I believe it was only included with the low-band Syntor
X.  It is described as a Noise Blanker.



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[Elecraft] K3 and DXLabs

2008-06-06 Thread Gary Gregory
G'Day from Downunder,

I use DXLabs with my K3 and it works great. I found HRD confusing, but then
we down under get a healthy blood flow to the head so maybe I just never got
a grip pn HRD.

All the DXLabs features.functions appear to work 100% so I'm a happy camper.

I have never had such a great radio to play with, after a month and I still
find new tricks...life is good here in the outback.

Cheers,
Gary
VK4wT...K3 #679

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and DXLabs

2008-06-06 Thread Stewart Baker
That's surprising. I found exactly the opposite.

It will be good when Simon gets access to many more of the K3 
functions.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:38:38 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:
 G'Day from Downunder,

 I use DXLabs with my K3 and it works great. I found HRD 
confusing, but then
 we down under get a healthy blood flow to the head so maybe I 
just never got
 a grip pn HRD.

 All the DXLabs features.functions appear to work 100% so I'm a 
happy camper.

 I have never had such a great radio to play with, after a month 
and I still
 find new tricks...life is good here in the outback.

 Cheers,
 Gary
 VK4wT...K3 #679


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[Elecraft] K1 drift cured (almost)

2008-06-06 Thread Christer Andersson
My K1 (#2059) has shown some frequency drift, especially when exposed to 
direct sunlight.

It was in the order of 200-300 Hz. Maybe more if transmitting.
Enough to be annoying.

Now yesterday I put together a small huff  puff circuit according to:
http://downloads.hanssummers.com/sprat123.pdf

Didn't use the oscillator section in the 74HC4060. Just connected pin 
74HC4060 pin11 to one side of R12 on the K1 front panel board. At this point 
there's a good 5V swing on the 3 MHz VFO signal.


Then a 100 pF cap from the varicap (5 mm red LED) to the connection 
C2/C5/C7/L1 on the K1 RF board.


I used the Q10 output which gives a 20 Hz step, instead of the Q13 which 
would have given a 2,6 Hz step. I think it is nice to be able to hear the 
steps, to say if the circuit is working or not.


Everything is mounted ugly style on a 30x50 mm unetched circuit board.

I tested the temperature drift by removing the top lid and putting a 60 W 
desk lamp just over the TRX for some 5 minutes.
The measured drift was 14 Hz and when the lamp was removed it slowly 
returned to the original fq. I think it is the 60 MHz oscillator that is 
drifting. However, it's a great improvement after all.


Total time invested is approx. 3 hours.

73
Christer
SM6PXJ

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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - signal loss in band-pass filter

2008-06-06 Thread Are LB3SA

My 8V is as low as yours Kristinn but I do not have the same problem. This
leads me to think that you have another problem...  In fact, I am quite sure
- especially since you're not able to see all LED's with RF-Gain nor signal
input. Have you EVER seen the LED's on the far right lit?

I would check the soldering around the LED array.

Are - LB3SA


TF3KX wrote:
 
 Well, I agree that the basic receiving performance of the rig may not be
 significantly affected, or even noticed at all.
 
 But in my case I am not able to set the range of the S-meter properly,
 which I attribute to the low 8V level.  My S-meter can not be adjusted to
 turn all LEDs off when no signal is present, and I do not get the S-meter
 quite up to full scale when the RF gain is turned fully CCW.
 
 If I am correct, this is due to the low 8V and that would be an incentive
 to get that voltage fixed.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and DXLabs

2008-06-06 Thread G4ILO


Gary Gregory-3 wrote:
 
 I use DXLabs with my K3 and it works great. I found HRD confusing, but
 then
 we down under get a healthy blood flow to the head so maybe I just never
 got
 a grip pn HRD.
 
You're not the only one, and I'm from the old country so it's obviously not
an antipodean problem. :)

I've tried HRD a couple of times and every time I just find myself hunting
among the myriad of menus and panels for the simple function I want. I also
get the impression you really need two monitors, one for the main HRD rig
control program and the other for the data modes application, otherwise you
are constantly switching windows to get at the one you want. MixW may look
dated but it does everything I need and still leaves screen space over for
other things.

Don't get me wrong. HRD is an impressive piece of programming and I take my
hat off to Simon for the effort he has put in, and continues to put in,
developing and supporting it. But it is not for me, and until today I
thought I was in a minority of one! 

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction (NR) in FM Mode

2008-06-06 Thread Brian Lloyd


On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Aaargh! I meant to say we used high level I.F. limiters so no AM  
would get

to the detector. That included noise.


Right. If you use a discriminator there was amplitude sensitivity in  
the detector so limiters stages were used in the IF before the  
discriminator. A ratio detector compensated for signal amplitude and  
didn't require a dedicated limiter stage. PLL-based detectors were  
also immune to amplitude variations.


I worked my way through my last year in high-school working for an  
outfit that provided commercial two-way radio systems. (I did a  
*bunch* of installations in police cars.) We sold EF Johnson too. I  
hated those radios because the crystal ovens kept failing. Fixing them  
was not considered high on the list of fun jobs so guess who got to  
fix all the damned crystal ovens? :-)


We did Motorola too. The Motorola stuff was just better built. We  
always felt that Motorola was the best, GE next, and EF Johnson was  
what you got when you couldn't afford anything better. I know that  
when I was building repeaters I preferred Motorola or GE RF decks.



So blankers were never needed.

Maybe Motorola didn't use good limiters.

Now to see if I can pry my foot out of my mouth...


Hey, you've been around linear radios for too long. It could happen to  
anyone. :-)


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Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com



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[Elecraft] K3 and DXLabs

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Hall
Well this is a little like talking about someone when they are in the same
room. My normal day to day rig control program is also MixW. I too find the
HRD interface a bit cluttered. Having said that, I've used Simon's programs
for other things:
FT-817 commander for programming memories for low orbit satellites and
general rig control for the worlds most annoying radio (I can't see anything
on the FT-817!).
HRD DDE DDS-60 control. Along with a USB control program for the DDS-60 VFO
I linked to HRD through Dynamic Data Exchange to send and receive frequency
and band information to give me control of a homebrew Receiver.
DM780 is a brilliant program but needs to be severed from the mother ship. I
believe it will eventually be the gold standard of all digital programs. It
truly is a joy to use with a very intuitive user interface.
And before anyone brings it up, yes I did donate. It is a bargain.

 Tom, AK2B


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[Elecraft] OT: Noise Reduction (NR) in FM Mode

2008-06-06 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yeah, it's been all too many years, but hard limiters were not used in many
designs and no FM detector is completely immune to noise. 

It brings back memories of just how loud and strong ignition impulse noise
used to be back in the 50's before anyone did anything to suppress it! Used
to roar through on 2 meter AM in the home station from cars hundreds of
yards away at times!

I was kidding about Motorola/ Working in land mobile with E.F. Johnson
equipment, Motorola was always in our sights ;-) We did very well in the
San Francisco area because we did have superior repeater sites. The Motorola
gear was very good stuff as was the E.F. Johnson.  

Ron AC7AC


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From: Bob Tellefsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:36 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Noise Reduction (NR) in FM Mode


That could be, Ron.
I remember when GE had it in their radio, and we
didn't, it soon showed up so we could compete in bids.
I imagine the bid process drove that more than any
actual need :-)
73, Bob N6WG

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: [K3] Using a K3 with a TT amplifier??

2008-06-06 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:49:26 -0400, Joel R. Hallas wrote:

I use my K3 with the TT Centaur amp.

It's also working fine driving my Ten Tec Titan 425, same hookup. 
The amp is set to have the radio provide T-R switching. I have my 
delay set to 13ms. Picked that time arbitrarily on the basis of 
conversations with a neighbor who has studied delay times of amp 
keying relays. :)  I can run it full QSK or with any form of semi-
QSK (that is, variable hold-in time for the TR relay). 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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[Elecraft] soundcard checker for SDR

2008-06-06 Thread David Cutter
I came across this in Elektor which folk might want to try with their sound 
cards.


Go the www.elektor.com site and log on as a new user, which will allow you 
to download quite a few articles free, after which you have to pay.  Find 
the June 2007 issue and then the SDR Soundcard Tester article.  The SDR 
article is in the previous issue.  You will need to install some software to 
display the results.  The article points to I2PHD but there seem to be 
several about.


It's just a 15kHz 555 oscillator with 2 r/c outputs of opposite phase. 
These are applied to the sound input of your pc which will then display the 
results to determine whether anti-aliasing filters are 
required/satisfactory.


It looks fun.

David
G3UNA
ps no pecuniary interest 


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[Elecraft] K2 FS

2008-06-06 Thread Rick Dettinger


K2 SN 1653 with
KAT2
KAF2
KNB2
K160 RX
All manuals

This K2 is set up for CW only at present.  I did most Rev. B  
upgrades that pertains  to QRP CW operating.  Everything works as per  
Elecraft specs. except for very low output on 160 M. where  I only get  
about one half watt output power.  Receive seems to work well on 160  
M.  I have worked several states QRPp on this band but have not done  
any troubleshooting.  The K2 appears to be in like new condition with  
no dings or scratches and has only been used at home, in a nonsmoking  
environment.
 I will sell for $450. including UPS ground packing and shipping to  
CONUS.

Thanks and 73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW
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[Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread David Pratt

In a message of 3 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said ...

Last week I posted a message asking for info about the frequency
response of the mic in the Proset K2. I didn't receive any replies
but I've now heard from Bob Heil that it's 40 Hz - 12 kHz.

Just thought I'd pass it on in case it's useful to anyone.

Yes, Geoff, that is indeed very useful and interesting. In the absence 
of a graph one has to assume that the response is substantially flat, 
falling off by 6dB at 40Hz and at 12kHz.


73

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Leeds, England, UK
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RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
 purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .

Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
recent USB drivers from several vendors. 

I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
of Vista/XP.

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon 
 Brown (HB9DRV)
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:16 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 Also look at DXLabs from Dave AA6YQ.
 
 As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
 purchasing it 
 but there are reviews on eHam.net .
 
 If you are new to radio software I suggest you try a free 
 package, see if 
 you like the concept and then decide on the solution you will 
 stay with 
 whether it's free or not.
 
 At the moment the software developers are waiting for a more computer 
 support from the Elecraft software scribes, when this comes 
 the K3 support 
 in all software solutions HRD, N4PY, ...) will advance by 
 leaps and bounds.
 
 Simon Brown, HB9DRV
 
 --
 From: Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Can anyone contrast N4PY (paid for) with HRD (free)?
  

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[Elecraft] re: K3 beta firmware revision 1.99

2008-06-06 Thread wayne burdick
Several issues with revision 1.99 have been reported that didn't come 
up in our field test group. We're working on these and expect to have 
an updated beta release soon.


If you haven't yet loaded 1.99 you may want to hold off until then.

Thanks for the quick feedback--

Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using a K3 with a TT amplifier??

2008-06-06 Thread W7TEA

Joel and Jim--thank you!  

I'll use the internal K3 keyer and connect it to my Centaur that way.

73, Gary W7TEA



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

As Jim Brown stated a day or 2 ago, just the frequency range is not 
sufficient information.
The response curve used to be posted on the Elecraft website, and it was 
*not* flat.


73,
Don W3FPR

David Pratt wrote:

In a message of 3 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said ...

Last week I posted a message asking for info about the frequency
response of the mic in the Proset K2. I didn't receive any replies
but I've now heard from Bob Heil that it's 40 Hz - 12 kHz.

Just thought I'd pass it on in case it's useful to anyone.

Yes, Geoff, that is indeed very useful and interesting. In the absence 
of a graph one has to assume that the response is substantially flat, 
falling off by 6dB at 40Hz and at 12kHz.



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[Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread cptpatmcd

Being new to this sort of thing, I hope someone could explain the benefit of
the elecraft transverters.  Here's the question: Why go for the elecraft
xverters when I can get another 2m/70cm band radio to work sats with for
less?
neg 1.  two more boxes to move around rather than one (I travel a lot). I
had a Kenoowd th-d7 that worked just fine.
neg 2.  price (can afford them, but dont like throwing money away)
neg 3.  Doesnt having more boxes connected between a K3 and the antenna
(think for L band) just make it not worth it?

I'm all for the idea, but particularly number 3 makes me wonder if this is
the most effective way to work sats with my K3...

YI9FMW

And for those of you trying to find me, I'm temporaraly down. I'm being
blamed for TVI in my area, despite the slight breach of the laws of physics
I'd have to accomplish to do that.  So my antenna is down right now. 
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Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:34:25 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
 purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .

Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
recent USB drivers from several vendors. 

I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
of Vista/XP.

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was disappointed to find
that when entering a US callsign it always gave the same heading (somewhere in
SE USA).  That pretty much makes it unusable for anything but DX call signs.
Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on the callsign
entered, which is another reason for not using it.

The review on Eham.net was by his beta tester, which in my opinion is really an
advertisement.

Yearly fee based software doesn't fit my idea of friendly software either.

HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to see it have a link
on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in DM780.  Now that
would be really nice, Simon!

73,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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Safety deserve neither 
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Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
I'll be working through HRD during Q3 / Q4 and will be asking for 
suggestions - you'll see this in the HRD forums and mailing lists. There's a 
lot to do...


More info: http://www.ham-radio-deluxe.com/ and select Help.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV

--
From: Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED]


HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to see it have a 
link
on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in DM780.  Now 
that

would be really nice, Simon!


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Re: [Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:37:49 -0700 (PDT), cptpatmcd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Being new to this sort of thing, I hope someone could explain the benefit of
the elecraft transverters.  Here's the question: Why go for the elecraft
xverters when I can get another 2m/70cm band radio to work sats with for
less?
neg 1.  two more boxes to move around rather than one (I travel a lot). I
had a Kenoowd th-d7 that worked just fine.
neg 2.  price (can afford them, but dont like throwing money away)
neg 3.  Doesnt having more boxes connected between a K3 and the antenna
(think for L band) just make it not worth it?

I'm all for the idea, but particularly number 3 makes me wonder if this is
the most effective way to work sats with my K3...

YI9FMW

And for those of you trying to find me, I'm temporaraly down. I'm being
blamed for TVI in my area, despite the slight breach of the laws of physics
I'd have to accomplish to do that.  So my antenna is down right now. 

I've had an XV144 for about a year now.  I also have the following rigs with 2m
SSB capability FT-736R, TS-711A and FT-857D.  I find the XV144 to be better than
both for weak signal work.  I'm currently building an XV432.

neg 1.  I have the FT-857D in the mobile and that covers the traveling for me.

neg. 2  Yes they are expensive, but as I said they work better for weak signal
work than the other three rigs, and I can select them from the band switch of
the K3.

neq 3. Well, if I put my FT-736R on the desk, I have to put my K3 on top of it,
but both the XV144 and XV432 take up a small area on a shelf above the K3. Using
another rig or two the do the same thing takes up more space here.

On another note, I also have an Orion II.  Using both XVTRs with it is not an
option, in my case, so to use both of them I would have to have the K3 and the
Orion plus the XVRTRs on the desk.  Once again for me, too much stuff on the
desk.

I don't feel I've thrown money away on any of my Elecraft equipment.

73,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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Essential Liberty to 
purchase a little Temporary 
Safety deserve neither 
Liberty nor Safety 

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written in 1755 from the 
Assembly to the Governor 
of Pennsylvania.

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just the parts you like.

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Re: [Elecraft] re: K3 beta firmware revision 1.99

2008-06-06 Thread Richard S. Lindzen

Dear Wayne,

If one has already loaded 1.99, are the issues worth returning to the 
previous version?


Dick KA1SA

At 12:56 PM 6/6/2008, wayne burdick wrote:
Several issues with revision 1.99 have been reported that didn't 
come up in our field test group. We're working on these and expect 
to have an updated beta release soon.


If you haven't yet loaded 1.99 you may want to hold off until then.

Thanks for the quick feedback--

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] re: K3 beta firmware revision 1.99

2008-06-06 Thread Lyle Johnson
If one has already loaded 1.99, are the issues worth returning to the 
previous version?


If your radio is behaving then you may continue to use it.  If you 
haven't loaded it yet, we'll have an updated Beta release Real Soon Now.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Joe,

Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free updates.  
The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to try a copy.
His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be run 
forever even if you stop the subscription.
I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it running 
on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will run on 
anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am not sure 
about NT.


I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio Deluxe 
because of its integration for digital mode operation, but YMMV, that is 
just my choice.


73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .



Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
recent USB drivers from several vendors. 

I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
of Vista/XP.


73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  


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[Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Hello:

 

I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the PA relay
kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a Multi-Switcher -
W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone. This completely
disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the K3. Thinking that
this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on multiple ferrite
chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3, the Goldline mike,
and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even slow it down !
Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts, there is absolutely
no hash.

 

For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M (which requires a bit more mike
gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone else noticed this ? Got a solution
?

 

73, Jamie

WB4YDL

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Re: [Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread cptpatmcd

Tom,

My background is physics, not rf theory. But you're saying that the xv144
gives you better performance than a rig that was designed for that?  I guess
thats not too hard to believe, but still counterintuitive from my
standpoint.  Do you think I would get acceptable results from adding a texas
microwave (or any brand) on top of the xv144 for 1.2 (or is it 1.4) ghz
operation? My main interest in this area are the amsats but I've only
managed a few sketchy qso's with a handheld before. Using transverters is
uncharted waters for me.  The only reason I'm considering one now is that 1.
elecraft makes them and 2. a lot of folks seem to use them... so they cant
be that bad right? I'm just skeptical of the added noise you introduce into
the system with using them.  Again though, I have no practical experience. 
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Bob:

 

As a follow up, I doubt it's the Goldline mic/cable itself, as I get the
same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 

 

73, Jamie

WB4YDL

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:42 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

 

You found out that the hash is not coming from rf on the line.  Try the
Goldline mic direct.  Then add the switcher (or equalizer).  Then add the
other one.   See when the hash shows up.  This may help you narrow the
problem down.

-Original Message-
From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the PA
relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the K3.
Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3, the
Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
(which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Bob:

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I don’t have a ‘Kenwood’ cable for the
Goldline mike – that’s the beauty of the switcher. My primary rig is an
FT-1000MP MkV – thus the Yaesu cable. The switcher allows that cable/mic to
be used with multiple rigs, Yaesu or not.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:42 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

You found out that the hash is not coming from rf on the line.  Try the
Goldline mic direct.  Then add the switcher (or equalizer).  Then add the
other one.   See when the hash shows up.  This may help you narrow the
problem down.
-Original Message-
From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the PA
relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the K3.
Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3, the
Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
(which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Bob:

As a follow up, I doubt it’s the Goldline mic/cable itself, as I get the
same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 

73, Jamie
WB4YDL


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:42 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

You found out that the hash is not coming from rf on the line.  Try the
Goldline mic direct.  Then add the switcher (or equalizer).  Then add the
other one.   See when the hash shows up.  This may help you narrow the
problem down.
-Original Message-
From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the PA
relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the K3.
Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3, the
Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
(which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
I've placed the frequency response chart for the MH2 and Proset-K2 on 
the web site.

See:
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_mics.htm

73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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[Elecraft] test

2008-06-06 Thread n4py


Carl Moreschi N4PY
121 Little Bell Drive
Bell Mountain
Hays, NC 28635
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jamie,

The Heil headset will plug directly into the rear panel jacks - why not 
give that a try as an added piece of evidence that it is not the microphone.


Most likely, something is being picked up on those long microphone 
cables and is not a K3 problem at all.  Are all the mic cables 
shielded?  Are all the cable shields connected to the plug/jack shell?  
They should be.


I have not investigated the W2IHY equipment, but my understanding is 
that it is setup primarily for pro mics which use balanced AF lines for 
the mic audio.  My suspicion is that there is something awry with the 
balanced to unbalanced arrangement when used with unbalanced line 
microphones such as you have there.


As far as why it shows up only when the PA turns on, I can only 
speculate there too, but remember that there is more gain in the 
transmit stages when the PA turns on, and that added gain may make any 
small AF line pickup more pronounced in your transmit signal.  If it 
were from RF coupling into the audio, it would vary smoothly from low 
power to high power and all RF levels in between - you indicated only 
that it was there with the PA on, but did not say that it got worse as 
power was increased.


73,
Don W3FPR

James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Bob:

 


As a follow up, I doubt it's the Goldline mic/cable itself, as I get the
same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 

 


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

 



From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the PA
relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the K3.
Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3, the
Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
(which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
  


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[Elecraft] N4PY Software for the K3

2008-06-06 Thread n4py

I want to set the record straight on my N4PY Software

The software is $65.  This includes all program updates for a year.  After a
year, if you still wish to receive new program updates and versions, it is
$30 to conitnue to receive these for another year.  Your current version
will
run forever.

My software runs on all windows platforms except for the 64 bit versions of
Vista.

I offer a 10 day free trial on all my software.  I try to respond to all
email questions within 2 hours if at all possible.  I take pride in what I
do and want all people to enjoy my products.


Carl Moreschi N4PY
121 Little Bell Drive
Bell Mountain
Hays, NC 28635 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread Bill NY9H


nice chart
 looks like the results are from a Bruel  Kjaer.

But can you explain what sort of chamber was used,
  maybe it is a left over from the psychedelic days  ...

Shure Bros , AKG  Sennheiser use an  Anechoic...
(n. anechoic chamber is a shielded room designed to attenuate waves)

No sure what tests do you do in an anabolic chamberbut i don't 
want to do the testing. Must be a Southern Illinois thing.

First saw this about 5 years ago in a CQ magazine review.

Guess you just can't always believe what a graph says

bill


At 05:01 PM 6/6/2008, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
I've placed the frequency response chart for the MH2 and Proset-K2 
on the web site.

See:
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_mics.htm

73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread James C. Hall, MD
Thanks Don:

I still suspect the 10' cable to the NCS Multi-Switcher is acting like an
antenna at that high a frequency - however, nothing changed with multiple
ferrite chokes along this line. Good idea to check the back mic connector,
although direct attachment of the hand mike and the headset to the front
connector did not cause the hash. The cable is a very well constructed cable
made by NCS for the K3 (Kenwood). I can certainly ask NCS (I forgot his
name, but he's very approachable) regarding the shielding characteristics. I
use the same cables for the other radios.

You asked if it gets worse with increase in power - yes, but not very much.
It's nearly an all or nothing deal.

When using my K2/100 with 6M transverter through the W2IHY unit, there is no
problem at all. The only difference is a longer cable to a different port on
the multi-switcher to reach the K3 - which is on the other side of my
monitor/desk.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:17 PM
To: James C. Hall, MD
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Jamie,

The Heil headset will plug directly into the rear panel jacks - why not 
give that a try as an added piece of evidence that it is not the microphone.

Most likely, something is being picked up on those long microphone 
cables and is not a K3 problem at all.  Are all the mic cables 
shielded?  Are all the cable shields connected to the plug/jack shell?  
They should be.

I have not investigated the W2IHY equipment, but my understanding is 
that it is setup primarily for pro mics which use balanced AF lines for 
the mic audio.  My suspicion is that there is something awry with the 
balanced to unbalanced arrangement when used with unbalanced line 
microphones such as you have there.

As far as why it shows up only when the PA turns on, I can only 
speculate there too, but remember that there is more gain in the 
transmit stages when the PA turns on, and that added gain may make any 
small AF line pickup more pronounced in your transmit signal.  If it 
were from RF coupling into the audio, it would vary smoothly from low 
power to high power and all RF levels in between - you indicated only 
that it was there with the PA on, but did not say that it got worse as 
power was increased.

73,
Don W3FPR

James C. Hall, MD wrote:
 Bob:

  

 As a follow up, I doubt it's the Goldline mic/cable itself, as I get the
 same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 

  

 73, Jamie

 WB4YDL

  


 From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

 Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the
PA
 relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
 Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
 This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the
K3.
 Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
 multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3,
the
 Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
 slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
 there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
 (which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
 else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread Giulio IW3HVB
2008/6/6 cptpatmcd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Tom,

 My background is physics, not rf theory. But you're saying that the xv144
 gives you better performance than a rig that was designed for that?  I guess
 thats not too hard to believe, but still counterintuitive from my
 standpoint.  Do you think I would get acceptable results from adding a texas
 microwave (or any brand) on top of the xv144 for 1.2 (or is it 1.4) ghz
 operation? My main interest in this area are the amsats but I've only
 managed a few sketchy qso's with a handheld before. Using transverters is
 uncharted waters for me.  The only reason I'm considering one now is that 1.
 elecraft makes them and 2. a lot of folks seem to use them... so they cant
 be that bad right? I'm just skeptical of the added noise you introduce into
 the system with using them.  Again though, I have no practical experience.
 --

There are several good reasons on this one to go for an xv...
1st: The dynamic range. You will not find any on the market radio born
for 144 MHz with a dynamic range comparable to an HF plus xverter
setup (almost every serious contesting station in europe goes for this
choice). The main reason is that the designers don't think 144 MHz can
be as crowded as HF, but there are many stations in the spread in
europe that report 700-800 qsos per 24h contest.
2nd: You can benefit from the many optional filters and dsp stuff that
are normally confined only in hf rtxs.
3rd: On weak signal the setup is as good as the best 144 rigs, if not better.
4th: The design and production in the majority of the commercial IC
from the usual suspects is often directed to save money in the
production process, regardless of the final performance.
5th: You don't really add noise, take a look at the NF figure of the
xverter, and try to compare it with some of the good rigs on 144
MHz.

73 de Giulio IW3HVB

P.S.
I currently use an IC-275 on 144 MHz (on FM...)  But for serious
operation the XV144 and the K2 added a lot of fun and made my life
much easier in contest.
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Re: [Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread cptpatmcd

Good points.  I'm glad to hear from someone with a bit of experience.
I'll seriously consider one now.



Giulio Pico wrote:
 
 2008/6/6 cptpatmcd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Tom,

 My background is physics, not rf theory. But you're saying that the xv144
 gives you better performance than a rig that was designed for that?  I
 guess
 thats not too hard to believe, but still counterintuitive from my
 standpoint.  Do you think I would get acceptable results from adding a
 texas
 microwave (or any brand) on top of the xv144 for 1.2 (or is it 1.4) ghz
 operation? My main interest in this area are the amsats but I've only
 managed a few sketchy qso's with a handheld before. Using transverters is
 uncharted waters for me.  The only reason I'm considering one now is that
 1.
 elecraft makes them and 2. a lot of folks seem to use them... so they
 cant
 be that bad right? I'm just skeptical of the added noise you introduce
 into
 the system with using them.  Again though, I have no practical
 experience.
 --
 
 There are several good reasons on this one to go for an xv...
 1st: The dynamic range. You will not find any on the market radio born
 for 144 MHz with a dynamic range comparable to an HF plus xverter
 setup (almost every serious contesting station in europe goes for this
 choice). The main reason is that the designers don't think 144 MHz can
 be as crowded as HF, but there are many stations in the spread in
 europe that report 700-800 qsos per 24h contest.
 2nd: You can benefit from the many optional filters and dsp stuff that
 are normally confined only in hf rtxs.
 3rd: On weak signal the setup is as good as the best 144 rigs, if not
 better.
 4th: The design and production in the majority of the commercial IC
 from the usual suspects is often directed to save money in the
 production process, regardless of the final performance.
 5th: You don't really add noise, take a look at the NF figure of the
 xverter, and try to compare it with some of the good rigs on 144
 MHz.
 
 73 de Giulio IW3HVB
 
 P.S.
 I currently use an IC-275 on 144 MHz (on FM...)  But for serious
 operation the XV144 and the K2 added a lot of fun and made my life
 much easier in contest.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread Bob

Is it a chamber lined with well known high priced and overpaid athletes?

73,
Bob
K2TK

Bill NY9H wrote:



nice chart
 looks like the results are from a Bruel  Kjaer.

But can you explain what sort of chamber was used,
  maybe it is a left over from the psychedelic days  
...


Shure Bros , AKG  Sennheiser use an  Anechoic...
(n. anechoic chamber is a shielded room designed to attenuate waves)

No sure what tests do you do in an anabolic chamberbut i don't 
want to do the testing. Must be a Southern Illinois thing.

First saw this about 5 years ago in a CQ magazine review.

Guess you just can't always believe what a graph says

bill





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[Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU Revision 2.00

2008-06-06 Thread wayne burdick
K3 beta-test firmware revision 2.00 is now available. It includes one 
new feature (transverter band data) and two improvements based on 
feedback users sent us about revision 1.99. Full details appear below.


The use of beta-test firmware is encouraged, but optional. Please send 
any problem reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


For instructions on how to obtain and load beta firmware, please see:

  http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 2.00 / DSP 1.77, 6-6-08

BAND DATA FOR TRANSVERTERS: The BAND0-3 outputs on the 15-pin ACC 
jack can now be used to control transverters as described in the 
Owner’s Manual (revision C, page 18-19). To enable this feature, set 
CONFIG:KIO3 to HF-TRN (which outputs band decode data for both HF and 
transverter bands) or TRN (transverter band data only). The default is 
NOR (HF band data only).


CW MODE SPEAKER ARTIFACT ELIMINATED: Some operators reported a periodic 
burst of noise coming from the speaker when headphones were used in CW 
mode. This has been corrected.


MIC BUTTON FUNCTIONS DEFAULT TO OFF:  There’s now a menu entry for 
turning the mic up/down buttons on or off (CONFIG:MIC BTN). The default 
is OFF, which makes these buttons inactive. You should turn it ON only 
if you have a mic whose up/down buttons provide contact closures to 
ground, with no resistors in series or in parallel (such as a Kenwood 
MC-43). Some mics have internal resistors and are not compatible with 
the K3’s up/down feature. If you try to use such a mic (by setting 
CONFIG:MIC BTN to ON), VFO A may scan continuously.



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Re: [Elecraft] Xverters

2008-06-06 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
The FT736R is not known for having much dynamic range. I own one. :-) 
Its a great overall rig for VHF/UHF use with multiple bands in one box, 
but as a result there are many compromises. Most multi-band VHF rigs 
compromise their dynamic range, phase noise etc.


In general a high performance transverter, like our XV family, paired 
with a high dynamic range rig like our K3 and K2, will outperform most 
multi band VHF/UHF rigs for receive performance.


The Elecraft XVs are designed to match the wide dynamic range of the K2 
and K3. Plus their front end pre-amps are very quiet. While they will 
work with most HF rigs, they tightly integrate with the K3 and K2. The 
K3 supports up to 9 transverter bands (6 on the K2) with correct VHF/UHF 
frequency display and individual transverter offsets programmable on 
each band. Each of our XVs will power up and drop on/off line as they 
are selected by the K3 or K2. Also, we support using an XV, like the 
XV144, as an intermediate IF for microwave use.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ



cptpatmcd wrote:

Tom,

My background is physics, not rf theory. But you're saying that the xv144
gives you better performance than a rig that was designed for that?  I guess
thats not too hard to believe, but still counterintuitive from my
standpoint.  Do you think I would get acceptable results from adding a texas
microwave (or any brand) on top of the xv144 for 1.2 (or is it 1.4) ghz
operation? My main interest in this area are the amsats but I've only
managed a few sketchy qso's with a handheld before. Using transverters is
uncharted waters for me.  The only reason I'm considering one now is that 1.
elecraft makes them and 2. a lot of folks seem to use them... so they cant
be that bad right? I'm just skeptical of the added noise you introduce into
the system with using them.  Again though, I have no practical experience. 
  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU Revision 2.00

2008-06-06 Thread Ed K1EP

At 6/6/2008 07:25 PM, wayne burdick wrote:
K3 beta-test firmware revision 2.00 is now available. It includes 
one new feature (transverter band data) and two improvements based 
on feedback users sent us about revision 1.99. Full details appear below.


The use of beta-test firmware is encouraged, but optional. Please 
send any problem reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


For instructions on how to obtain and load beta firmware, please see:

  http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 2.00 / DSP 1.77, 6-6-08



Are the version numbers for the MCU, DSP, etc. revisions just 
sequential (i.e. 2.00 followed 1.99), or does the change from 1 to 
2 signify anything?  I am assuming the former and not inferring any 
major significance to the new MSB.



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[Elecraft] WB3AAL NK8Q out on the Appalachian Trail 7 June 2008

2008-06-06 Thread Ron Polityka

Hello  Happy Trail Days,

7 June 2008 is the National Trail Days in the U.S.A.

http://www.americanhiking.org/NTD.aspx

Mark de NK8Q and I, Ron de WB3AAL, will be out on the Appalachian Trail on 
Saturday.


We plan to meet at 7 AM or 11:00 UTC and make our way to The Pinnacle that 
is South on the AT from Eckville, PA.


When we arrive at the parking lot at 11:00 UTC we will decide if we will 
hike to The Pinnacle, highest spot on the AT in Berks County PA or go to 
another location. This spot is very popular and becomes very crowded on nice 
days.


We should be on the air between 8:30 AM or 12:30 UTC and 9:00 AM or 13:00 
UTC.


I, WB3AAL, will be using my K1 on the 21.060, 14.060, 10.106 or 10.116 and 
7.030 or 7.040 Mhz.


Mark, NK8Q, will be using his KX1 on 14.060, 10.106 or 10.116 and 7.030 or 
7.040 Mhz. Mark will also be taking some Rockmites for 7.030 / 7.040 and 
14.060.


We will stay on the air until the QSO die off or until 12 noon or 16:00 UTC. 
The wx is to be very hot and humid in EPA land. Mid 90's and high humidity.


So if you are up and about look for us on the HF CW bands. If you work us 
please spot us on the X Clusters and / or the e-mail list.


72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU Revision 2.00

2008-06-06 Thread wayne burdick

Ed K1EP wrote:

Are the version numbers for the MCU, DSP, etc. revisions just 
sequential (i.e. 2.00 followed 1.99)


Yes.


or does the change from 1 to 2 signify anything?


Not really. It's a good estimate of the square root of my cumulative 
hair loss over two years of intense firmware effort :)


Seriously, it's just an increment.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE -- MCU Revision 2.00

2008-06-06 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Just sequential in this case.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
--

Ed K1EP wrote:


Are the version numbers for the MCU, DSP, etc. revisions just 
sequential (i.e. 2.00 followed 1.99), or does the change from 1 to 
2 signify anything?  I am assuming the former and not inferring any 
major significance to the new MSB.



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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Automatic Character Spacing

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 Auto character spacing for K3. Yes, please.

If ACS is implemented, PLEASE make it selectable.  I find ACS a 
complete PITA as it results in broken characters for me. 


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G3SJJ
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:08 AM
 To: Elecraft
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: Automatic Character Spacing
 
 
 Auto character spacing for K3. Yes, please.
 
 Chris G3SJJ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-06-06 Thread Jim Brown
Frequency response curve looks reasonable for a communications mic, but 
at what distance was the curve run?  And what fundamental microphone 
types are these mics -- omni, cardioid, hypercardioid, supercardioid, 
bidirectional? VERY important. 

Anabolic is a new one one me too!  :)  Most microphone measurements are 
done in anechoic chambers. 

I'm saving a copy of that graph to use in my lectures!

73,

Jim Brown K9YC

 On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:30:42 -0500, Bill  NY9H wrote:


nice chart
  looks like the results are from a Bruel  Kjaer.

But can you explain what sort of chamber was used,
   maybe it is a left over from the psychedelic days  
...

Shure Bros , AKG  Sennheiser use an  Anechoic...
(n. anechoic chamber is a shielded room designed to attenuate waves)

No sure what tests do you do in an anabolic chamberbut i don't 
want to do the testing. Must be a Southern Illinois thing.
First saw this about 5 years ago in a CQ magazine review.

Guess you just can't always believe what a graph says

bill


At 05:01 PM 6/6/2008, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
I've placed the frequency response chart for the MH2 and Proset-K2 
on the web site.
See:
http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_mics.htm

73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?

I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not 
access virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is 
due entirely to operating system considerations with 16 bit 
code.   

 I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it 
 before committing to it, 

That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in my 
last (quick) look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit 
code, I would recommend anyone using XP or Vista make sure 
that there are no problems in their installation.

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 Joe,
 
 Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
 I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
 committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free 
 updates.  
 The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to try a copy.
 His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy 
 can be run 
 forever even if you stop the subscription.
 I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had 
 it running 
 on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will run on 
 anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am not sure 
 about NT.
 
 I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham 
 Radio Deluxe 
 because of its integration for digital mode operation, but 
 YMMV, that is 
 just my choice.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
  As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
  purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
  
 
  Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
  was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
  hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
  bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
  Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
  recent USB drivers from several vendors. 
 
  I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
  particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
  Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
  Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
  eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
  of Vista/XP.
 
  73, 
 
 ... Joe, W4TV 

 
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RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was 
 disappointed to find that when entering a US callsign it always 
 gave the same heading (somewhere in SE USA).

DXView will set the rotor (if enabled) based on the call area 
(digit/prefix in the US callsign).  If you are also running 
DXKeeeper (the logging portion) with look-up enabled and an 
online connection, DXView will display headings based on the 
location given in QRZ.com. 

 Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on 
 the callsign entered, which is another reason for not using it. 

The grid field in DXView is a display field (calculated from 
the coordinates given on QRZ or based on the call area if the 
QRZ data is not available) it is not available for input. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom 
 Childers, N5GE
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:26 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 12:34:25 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
  As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
  purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
 
 Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
 was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
 hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
 bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
 Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
 recent USB drivers from several vendors. 
 
 I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
 particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
 Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
 Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
 eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
 of Vista/XP.
 
 73, 
 
... Joe, W4TV 
  
 
 I downloaded the DXView Rotor Control portion of it and was 
 disappointed to find
 that when entering a US callsign it always gave the same 
 heading (somewhere in
 SE USA).  That pretty much makes it unusable for anything but 
 DX call signs.
 Entering a 6 digit grid square caused recalculation based on 
 the callsign
 entered, which is another reason for not using it.
 
 The review on Eham.net was by his beta tester, which in my 
 opinion is really an
 advertisement.
 
 Yearly fee based software doesn't fit my idea of friendly 
 software either.
 
 HRD does a fine job of rotor control, but I'd really like to 
 see it have a link
 on the headings in the DX Cluster portion like the ones in 
 DM780.  Now that
 would be really nice, Simon!
 
 73,
 
 Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq
 
 Those who would give up 
 Essential Liberty to 
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RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Bob Serwy
I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima shared
Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both share Com 5).  I
have Windows XP Pro and I have no problem at all. 


Bob Serwy - N9RS

-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available



 Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?

I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not access
virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is due entirely to
operating system considerations with 16 bit 
code.   

 I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
 committing to it,

That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in my last (quick)
look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit code, I would recommend
anyone using XP or Vista make sure that there are no problems in their
installation.

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 Joe,
 
 Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
 I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
 committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of free updates.
 The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to try a copy.
 His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be 
 run forever even if you stop the subscription.
 I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it 
 running on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states that it will 
 run on anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am 
 not sure about NT.
 
 I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio 
 Deluxe because of its integration for digital mode operation, but 
 YMMV, that is just my choice.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
  As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
  purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
  
 
  Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
  was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
  hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
  bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
  Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
  recent USB drivers from several vendors. 
 
  I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
  particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
  Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
  Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
  eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
  of Vista/XP.
 
  73, 
 
 ... Joe, W4TV 

 
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[Elecraft] K3: Automatic Character Spacing

2008-06-06 Thread Ken Kopp

Please add me to the list of those who -don't- want ACS.
Or, at least make it selectable.

Keyers provide more than enough crutches now 

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jamie,

Since you did not have a problem with the K2/xvtr with the same setup 
brings up another thought - the K2 required a high level of mic audio 
input while the K3 has plenty of mic gain.
If you have not tried it yet, you may want to reduce the mic gain 
setting on the K3 and increase the gain in your external units.  Using a 
higher level of audio drive to the K3 just might reduce the problem or 
even eliminate it.  If nothing else, it might point the finger at 
something you may not have considered.


I know I am posing more questions rather than providing answers, but 
that is partly how troubleshooting is done.


73,
Don W3FPR

James C. Hall, MD wrote:

Thanks Don:

I still suspect the 10' cable to the NCS Multi-Switcher is acting like an
antenna at that high a frequency - however, nothing changed with multiple
ferrite chokes along this line. Good idea to check the back mic connector,
although direct attachment of the hand mike and the headset to the front
connector did not cause the hash. The cable is a very well constructed cable
made by NCS for the K3 (Kenwood). I can certainly ask NCS (I forgot his
name, but he's very approachable) regarding the shielding characteristics. I
use the same cables for the other radios.

You asked if it gets worse with increase in power - yes, but not very much.
It's nearly an all or nothing deal.

When using my K2/100 with 6M transverter through the W2IHY unit, there is no
problem at all. The only difference is a longer cable to a different port on
the multi-switcher to reach the K3 - which is on the other side of my
monitor/desk.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:17 PM

To: James C. Hall, MD
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Jamie,

The Heil headset will plug directly into the rear panel jacks - why not 
give that a try as an added piece of evidence that it is not the microphone.


Most likely, something is being picked up on those long microphone 
cables and is not a K3 problem at all.  Are all the mic cables 
shielded?  Are all the cable shields connected to the plug/jack shell?  
They should be.


I have not investigated the W2IHY equipment, but my understanding is 
that it is setup primarily for pro mics which use balanced AF lines for 
the mic audio.  My suspicion is that there is something awry with the 
balanced to unbalanced arrangement when used with unbalanced line 
microphones such as you have there.


As far as why it shows up only when the PA turns on, I can only 
speculate there too, but remember that there is more gain in the 
transmit stages when the PA turns on, and that added gain may make any 
small AF line pickup more pronounced in your transmit signal.  If it 
were from RF coupling into the audio, it would vary smoothly from low 
power to high power and all RF levels in between - you indicated only 
that it was there with the PA on, but did not say that it got worse as 
power was increased.


73,
Don W3FPR

James C. Hall, MD wrote:
  

Bob:

 


As a follow up, I doubt it's the Goldline mic/cable itself, as I get the
same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 

 


73, Jamie

WB4YDL

 



From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M only when the


PA
  

relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil Goldline microphone.
This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike direct to the


K3.
  

Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, I clipped on
multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming from the K3,


the
  

Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. This didn't even
slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off at 8 watts,
there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the hand mike on 6M
(which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean signal. Has anyone
else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL
  



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[Elecraft] K3 Elegram rec'd today for order placed Jan. 21

2008-06-06 Thread ni0c
My K3/100 and KXV3 will be shipping in one to two weeks, according to Katie at 
Elecraft.  The roofing filters (200 Hz and 500 Hz) are backordered.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
K2/10 s/n 5853

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 I have not investigated the W2IHY equipment, but my understanding 
 is that it is setup primarily for pro mics which use balanced AF 
 lines for the mic audio.  My suspicion is that there is something 
 awry with the balanced to unbalanced arrangement when used with 
 unbalanced line microphones such as you have there.

There is a significant problem in using balanced input with any 
amateur mic - including Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu and Heil.  Yaesu, 
Kenwood and Heil connect the shield of the mic cable to the mic 
return and not chassis (ground).  Icom uses the shield as the 
mic return.  

When the shield of the mic cable is tied to the low side of a 
balanced input, RF that SHOULD go to ground/chassis is forced 
through the mic preamp instead.   With the shield tied to the 
mic return there is effectively a 10' piece of wire (antenna) 
connected to the mic input unless the mic return is tied to 
the chassis and the chassis is connected to a solid RF ground. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 







 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:17 PM
 To: James C. Hall, MD
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash
 
 
 Jamie,
 
 The Heil headset will plug directly into the rear panel jacks 
 - why not 
 give that a try as an added piece of evidence that it is not 
 the microphone.
 
 Most likely, something is being picked up on those long microphone 
 cables and is not a K3 problem at all.  Are all the mic cables 
 shielded?  Are all the cable shields connected to the 
 plug/jack shell?  
 They should be.
 
 I have not investigated the W2IHY equipment, but my understanding is 
 that it is setup primarily for pro mics which use balanced AF 
 lines for 
 the mic audio.  My suspicion is that there is something awry with the 
 balanced to unbalanced arrangement when used with unbalanced line 
 microphones such as you have there.
 
 As far as why it shows up only when the PA turns on, I can only 
 speculate there too, but remember that there is more gain in the 
 transmit stages when the PA turns on, and that added gain may 
 make any 
 small AF line pickup more pronounced in your transmit signal.  If it 
 were from RF coupling into the audio, it would vary smoothly from low 
 power to high power and all RF levels in between - you indicated only 
 that it was there with the PA on, but did not say that it got 
 worse as 
 power was increased.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 James C. Hall, MD wrote:
  Bob:
 
   
 
  As a follow up, I doubt it's the Goldline mic/cable itself, 
 as I get the
  same hash with a Heil headset plugged into the switcher. 
 
   
 
  73, Jamie
 
  WB4YDL
 
   
 
 
  From: James C. Hall, MD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 04:27 PM
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash
 
  Hello: I've noticed some audio hash on my SSB signal on 6M 
 only when the PA
  relay kicks in at 13 watts. My long microphone cable goes to a
  Multi-Switcher - W2IHY Noise Gate/Equalizer - Heil 
 Goldline microphone.
  This completely disappears when I use a Kenwood hand mike 
 direct to the K3.
  Thinking that this was a classic RF on the line problem, 
 I clipped on
  multiple ferrite chokes with many turns on the cable coming 
 from the K3, the
  Goldline mike, and in between the switcher on noise gate. 
 This didn't even
  slow it down ! Hmmm. Interestingly when the PA relay is off 
 at 8 watts,
  there is absolutely no hash. For now, I'll just use the 
 hand mike on 6M
  (which requires a bit more mike gain) to keep a clean 
 signal. Has anyone
  else noticed this ? Got a solution ? 73, Jamie WB4YDL

 
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RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net -- declare dormant for summer?

2008-06-06 Thread KM5Q
I put out the message below, and nobody replied. Meanwhile, the Wiki  
site has announced that the SSB Nets are inactive during summer 2008  
until further notice.

Refer to User Nets header at:   
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

So please be informed -- It is NOW dormant.

Perhaps it will thrive in the winter season. There is no designated  
net control or manager, so when the time comes, I encourage anyone to  
take charge.


Thanks to those who showed up on numerous occasions.
Windy KM5Q


KM5Q wrote:
Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:17:51 -0700

Activity on the 40 and 20m SSB nets has decreased with the coming of  
spring. Noise levels are high, propagation is poor. Outdoor and  
family activities take priority. I'd rather declare it dormant  
than waste time calling nobody.
I suggest we keep the schedule listed on the Wiki site:http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page 
 -- see User Nets, but say that it's dormant for summer 2008, or  
until any of us decide to reactivate it.

Any comments?

Thanks,
Windy KM5Q
K3 #764

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RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Bob, 

 I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima 
 shared Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both 
 share Com 5). 

I don't know what you are doing right but OM7ZZ removed N4PY 
software from the compatibility list for Router (all microHAM 
interfaces) about the time Router 5 was released due to the 
16 bit issues.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Serwy
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:57 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 I use MicroKeyer II and N4PY software for Icom and I use Eltima shared
 Serial so I also can use DX4WIN (both N4PY and DX4WIN both 
 share Com 5).  I
 have Windows XP Pro and I have no problem at all. 
 
 
 Bob Serwy - N9RS
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe 
 Subich, W4TV
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:42 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
 
 
 
  Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
 
 I know from dealing with the support issues that it will not access
 virtual/USB ports that have 32-bit drivers.  This is due entirely to
 operating system considerations with 16 bit 
 code.   
 
  I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
  committing to it,
 
 That's good.  I did not see anything about a 10 day trial in 
 my last (quick)
 look at the web site.  Given that it is 16 bit code, I would recommend
 anyone using XP or Vista make sure that there are no problems in their
 installation.
 
 73, 
 
... Joe, W4TV 
  
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
  Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:35 PM
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N4PY software for K3 now available
  
  
  Joe,
  
  Do you speak with personal experience or simply speculation?
  I believe Carl offers a 10 day free trial, so you can try it before 
  committing to it, and once purchased, you get 1 year of 
 free updates.
  The program is not posted for download, so you have to email Carl 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to try a copy.
  His subscription service is only for the updates - your copy can be 
  run forever even if you stop the subscription.
  I also believe it runs on all 32 bit Windows OSs - I have had it 
  running on Windows 2000 and Windows XP, and Carl states 
 that it will 
  run on anything from Windows 95 to Vista (but not isat64), and I am 
  not sure about NT.
  
  I no longer use N4PY software routinely - I migrated to Ham Radio 
  Deluxe because of its integration for digital mode operation, but 
  YMMV, that is just my choice.
  
  73,
  Don W3FPR
  
  Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
   As far as I know you can't run N4PY's software without first 
   purchasing it but there are reviews on eHam.net .
   
  
   Be careful in committing to N4PY's software.  Last I knew it 
   was still 16 bit code and would not run with some software and 
   hardwire drivers in Windows 2000/XP/Vista.  Specifically, all 16 
   bit software is not compatible with virtual ports created by the 
   Eltima software library (e.g., microHAM Router) and the most 
   recent USB drivers from several vendors. 
  
   I do not know of any way to determine in advance if your 
   particular system will support 16-bit (Windows 3.1) software. 
   Most authors converted to 32 bit programming models when 
   Windows 95 was released and Microsoft is reported to be 
   eliminating 16 bit support completely in the 64 bit versions 
   of Vista/XP.
  
   73, 
  
  ... Joe, W4TV 
 
  
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[Elecraft] Katiegram recieved today!

2008-06-06 Thread Bill Maddock
Katiegram was recieved today for order completed on January 19.
Both 200 and 500 hz filters are on Backorder!

73,

Bill  N4ZI Munford, TN

  www.n4zi.net/Home.htm


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Automatic Character Spacing

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:31:32 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 Auto character spacing for K3. Yes, please.

If ACS is implemented, PLEASE make it selectable.  I find ACS a 
complete PITA as it results in broken characters for me. 


Agree...

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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Essential Liberty to 
purchase a little Temporary 
Safety deserve neither 
Liberty nor Safety 

An excerpt from a letter 
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[Elecraft] antistatic mats

2008-06-06 Thread Eugene Klingler
anyone have a source? ? thanks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[Elecraft] K2 FS

2008-06-06 Thread Rick Dettinger

K2 #1653 has been sold.
Thanks
Rick Dettinger  K7MW 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] antistatic mats

2008-06-06 Thread michael taylor
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Eugene Klingler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone have a source? ? thanks  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jameco http://www.jameco.com/ (Part # 10576 or 10584)
Alltronics (# AS4) http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/AS4/

Mouser http://www.mouser.com (96216 or 96217)
Digikey http://www.digikey.com/ (# SCP221-ND or SCP222-ND)
Future Electronics http://www.componentsuperstore.com/ (Part # 16214)
Allied Electronics http://www.alliedelec.com/ (Part # 16201)

Various computer supplier resellers including Amazon partners and
Tiger Direct (Canada and US stores) sell anti static mats for
computer/PC technicians. StarTech is one common brand.

Ask google, http://www.google.com/products?q=anti+static+mat+desk.

-Michael, VE3TIX
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:22:41 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

There is a significant problem in using balanced input with any 
amateur mic - including Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu and Heil.  Yaesu, 
Kenwood and Heil connect the shield of the mic cable to the mic 
return and not chassis (ground).  Icom uses the shield as the 
mic return.  

When the shield of the mic cable is tied to the low side of a 
balanced input, RF that SHOULD go to ground/chassis is forced 
through the mic preamp instead.   With the shield tied to the 
mic return there is effectively a 10' piece of wire (antenna) 
connected to the mic input unless the mic return is tied to 
the chassis and the chassis is connected to a solid RF ground. 

This is not correct. There is nothing wrong with connecting an 
unbalanced mic to a balanced input -- you simply unbalance the 
input by grounding one side of the input. You lose the benefit of 
the balanced circuitry's ability to reject noise, but the input 
will work fine. The correct wiring is simply hot to one side, 
shield to the other side AND the chassis. 

I do have a serious quarrel with the W2IHY equalizer though -- it 
is FAR more complex and expensive than needed to get great audio 
from a pro mic with a ham rig. All you really need for an 
equalizer is a good quality capacitor of suitable value in series 
between the mic and the mic input of the radio. The capacitor is 
chosen to provide a low frequency rolloff fairly high in the 
audio passband. See

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf

I have used a circuit like this with an EV RE16 and several rigs. 
Total cost about $0.50. It would work equally well with any good 
low-Z dynamic mic. I've also changed values in coupling 
capacitors in the K2 to achieve the same result, and that works 
quite well too. You don't need the capacitor with a K3, of course 
-- the equalizer in DSP does the job. 

Pro dynamic mics are easily connected to ham rigs -- since 
they're balanced, one side of the balanced output goes to the mic 
input, the other side goes to audio return, and the shield goes 
to the chassis. I've done this quite successfully with an Omni V, 
a TS850, and FT1000MP. By successfully, I mean that I get VERY 
competitve, clean, contest-quality audio that cuts through QRM 
and noise. 


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RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 This is not correct. There is nothing wrong with connecting an 
 unbalanced mic to a balanced input -- you simply unbalance the 
 input by grounding one side of the input. You lose the benefit of 
 the balanced circuitry's ability to reject noise, but the input 
 will work fine. The correct wiring is simply hot to one side, 
 shield to the other side AND the chassis. 

That is *NOT* what is happening ... the mic connection does not 
simply unbalance the mic input because one side of the preamp 
is still not grounded.  What is happening is that the mic is 
connected to the preamp in a balanced configuration but the 
shield is left floating on the mic end and tied to the mic 
return at the transmitter input.  The mic return is then tied 
back to the chassis through an RF choke (DC return). 

What happens is that you now have a shield (unbalanced for RF 
pickup) over top of the twisted pair (nicely balanced) mic 
leads.  Worse, the RF choke from  mic return to ground makes 
it almost certain that any RF on the mic shield will be forced 
through the preamp instead of being bypassed harmlessly to the 
chassis/ground.  

It would be better if the mic return (and shield) was connected 
directly to the chassis at the mic connector than the present 
situation ... but not as good as if the shield were connected 
to the chassis (usually PTT ground) and the mic treated as a 
floating/balanced input.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
 Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:46 AM
 To: Elecraft List
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: 6M SSB audio hash
 
 
 On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:22:41 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 
 There is a significant problem in using balanced input with any 
 amateur mic - including Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu and Heil.  Yaesu, 
 Kenwood and Heil connect the shield of the mic cable to the mic 
 return and not chassis (ground).  Icom uses the shield as the 
 mic return.  
 
 When the shield of the mic cable is tied to the low side of a 
 balanced input, RF that SHOULD go to ground/chassis is forced 
 through the mic preamp instead.   With the shield tied to the 
 mic return there is effectively a 10' piece of wire (antenna) 
 connected to the mic input unless the mic return is tied to 
 the chassis and the chassis is connected to a solid RF ground. 
 
 This is not correct. There is nothing wrong with connecting an 
 unbalanced mic to a balanced input -- you simply unbalance the 
 input by grounding one side of the input. You lose the benefit of 
 the balanced circuitry's ability to reject noise, but the input 
 will work fine. The correct wiring is simply hot to one side, 
 shield to the other side AND the chassis. 
 
 I do have a serious quarrel with the W2IHY equalizer though -- it 
 is FAR more complex and expensive than needed to get great audio 
 from a pro mic with a ham rig. All you really need for an 
 equalizer is a good quality capacitor of suitable value in series 
 between the mic and the mic input of the radio. The capacitor is 
 chosen to provide a low frequency rolloff fairly high in the 
 audio passband. See
 
 http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf
 
 I have used a circuit like this with an EV RE16 and several rigs. 
 Total cost about $0.50. It would work equally well with any good 
 low-Z dynamic mic. I've also changed values in coupling 
 capacitors in the K2 to achieve the same result, and that works 
 quite well too. You don't need the capacitor with a K3, of course 
 -- the equalizer in DSP does the job. 
 
 Pro dynamic mics are easily connected to ham rigs -- since 
 they're balanced, one side of the balanced output goes to the mic 
 input, the other side goes to audio return, and the shield goes 
 to the chassis. I've done this quite successfully with an Omni V, 
 a TS850, and FT1000MP. By successfully, I mean that I get VERY 
 competitve, clean, contest-quality audio that cuts through QRM 
 and noise. 
 
 
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[Elecraft] Re: KA1OZ Re: Front Panel Problems againresolved!!

2008-06-06 Thread Dick Roth KA1OZ

Gary Surrency wrote:

QSL. Thanks and good evening. I am now QRT for today.

-Gary

Dick Roth wrote:

Gary Surrency wrote:

Dick,

OK, thanks for giving it one more shot.

Sometimes there is some leakage on the little KIO3 digital I/O board 
(that has the DE-15 and DE-9 connectors) that can make the rig not 
turn on or off correctly. If you remove it to check for this, leave 
the board out for the test and do not install it as it will cause no 
harm.


We should be able to ship the new FP board today or tomorrow. It's 
entered in our system.


If you want it delivered by some means other than regular mail, at 
your expense, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let him know.


-Gary

Dick Roth KA1OZ wrote:

Gary Surrency wrote:

Hi Dick,

Sorry to hear those things were not successful.

We can send you a new front panel, if it seems likely it was the 
problem all along.


I'll enter the order for that right now.

{snip}


Hi Gary and All--

Gary, thanks for shipping the new front panel.  I just finished 
recalibrating the rig and have been listening to some qsos.


Replacing the front panel appears to have cured my problems.  The K3 
turned on properly and has responded appropriately through each step of 
calibration.  (This time I was sure to save the configuration on my 
laptop...just in case.


Once again I feel compelled to compliment Elecraft on the fit and finish 
of the K3, as well as the superior customer service.  I know that 
Elecraft will take whatever reasonable steps are necessary to satisfy 
their customers.  I deal with tech support with various IT and telecom 
organizations so I can legitimately compare.


Well tomorrow I'm going to get my feet wet and do some hamming.


Good Night All...and thanks for all your help.


--
73,
Dick ka1oz
Middleborough, MA

K3/100(Kit) SN 000859
Titan-DX
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