Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 canceled - let me get this straight
Don Wilhelm wrote: DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: Methinks there is more afoot than meets the eye. The announcement did *not* say that they did not meet standards, nor did they say that the standards were too high - they did say that they did not expect to meet the standards in production units at a cost they considered reasonable (whether those are EU compliance standards or internal company quality standards, it makes no difference). Quote: "However, guaranteeing this high standard without limitations in a series production program with many vendors runs into difficulties which cannot be overcome at a cost level which is still acceptable." The engineers produced a product that was not reproducible within budget. Don's final sentence puts his finger right on the problem. In a product of such high quality, it would be surprising if there was any difficulty in meeting EU compliance standards. However, if production difficulties required repeated design changes, the costs of mandatory re-testing would have to be recovered from the final selling price. It's a great pity that the PT-8000 could not be brought into full production, because the world always needs new and different ideas. No doubt the ideas from the PT-8000 - along with the hard commercial lessons - will be re-absorbed into Hilberling's highly successful commercial and military products, but it would have been so much better if those ideas had been out on the market to inspire and challenge other designers. Above all, I feel so sorry for Hans Hilberling, DK7LG, because this project was his own personal "baby" to put some of his company's commercial success back into amateur radio. (See http://www.hilberling.de/ and click on "Ham Radio".) It's a story that must give Wayne and Eric a shiver down the spine. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.
All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is enforcing the EMC legislation. Maybe Ireland is more fortunate. 73 Stewart G3RXQ Member RSGB EMC Committee On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0100, Brendan Minish wrote: > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: >> However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY >> requirements which the FCC does not. That is a good thing for radio >> amateurs, or anyone who operates a transmitter. >> > In Europe we do have ingress limits for consumer equipment and indeed > they are set high enough to be useful to protect the transmitting > amateur from many of the issues surrounding badly engineered consumer > devices. > > Our CE rules also set emissions limits for consumer devices but unlike > FCC part b the liability for any remaining issues to radio users EVEN > where a device is fully CE compliant remains with the manufacturer or > importer, not with the consumer that owns the device. > > CE compliance does not assume compliance with the EMC directive (article > 4a is the relevant section for us) > > "the electromagnetic disturbance it generates does not exceed a level > allowing radio and telecommunications equipment and other apparatus to > operate as intended" > > no minimum limit is set for this condition to presumed to be met. > > This is actually great deal of protection for amateurs since even a > fully CE complaint device that is causing interference to a radio user's > normal operation must be resolved by the manufacturer or importer, not > the hapless consumer that bought the device without knowledge that it > was going to cause an issue for the 'radio ham next door' > > > the EMC directive is available to read here > http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/directiv/tex t.htm > > > 73 > EI6IZ (EMC representative for the IRTS) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.
Stewart Baker wrote: All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is enforcing the EMC legislation. It's true that nobody is enforcing it effectively against grey imports. On the other hand, those are only a small minority of sales. The vast majority of sales come from responsible manufacturers, through responsible distributors. In Europe, the distributors provide the most effective enforcement of manufacturing standards for consumer goods. This is because consumers in Europe have strong legal rights which are directly against the distributor. If there is a manufacturing defect, then in most cases the consumer has a legal right to reject the goods and demand a refund from the distributor. (Some distributors still try to fool customers into going back to the manufacturer, but most consumers are becoming much more savvy about the law. Refusal to give a refund *will* bring down heavy enforcement from the consumer protection agencies.) The faulty goods then become the distributor's liability. Even if the issue is eventually resolved with the manufacturer, the time and trouble eats up everybody's profit margin. To avoid such situations as far as possible, distributors routinely demand formal declarations of quality, including compliance with all applicable standards. That still isn't to say that every declaration of compliance is truthful, or that the technical standards themselves are totally effective - far from it! - but even the present situation is a whole lot better than nothing. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] European CE regulations it was OT] Hilberling PT-8000 canceled
Hi all, it is very sorry the annoucement regarding the end of the Hilberling PT-8000. I do agree 100% with Ian, GM3SEK, comments. I feel so sorry for Hans Hilberling, DK7LG, too, a very good and open amteur and manager. I met him at the international amateur radio exhibiton in Germany in 2006 and appreciated the PT8000 design and quality of product. I told Hans that a quality like his applied to the well know Jap Black Boxes would risetheir price a least double or more. It is not much a CE problem. Althought not much is done with EMC, in Italy some Hams that have bought radio or equipment directly from China or asia are being informed that these are not allowed to be imported not having a CE mark and registration, some ari sized and some are returned to senders. I do not remember if Elecraft K3 as an assembled equipment has been checked for CE ... I know TT Orion is OK. 73 Gian I7SWX >> Message: 29 > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:20:40 +0100 > From: Ian White GM3SEK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 canceled - > let me get > thisstraight > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Don Wilhelm wrote: > >DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > >> Methinks there is more afoot than meets the eye. > > >The announcement did *not* say that they did not meet > standards, nor > >did they say that the standards were too high - they > did say that they > >did not expect to meet the standards in production > units at a cost > >they considered reasonable (whether those are EU > compliance standards > >or internal company quality standards, it makes no > difference). Quote: > >"However, guaranteeing this high standard without > limitations in a > >series production program with many vendors runs into > difficulties > >which cannot be overcome at a cost level which is still > acceptable." > > > >The engineers produced a product that was not > reproducible within > >budget. > > Don's final sentence puts his finger right on the > problem. > > In a product of such high quality, it would be surprising > if there was > any difficulty in meeting EU compliance standards. However, > if > production difficulties required repeated design changes, > the costs of > mandatory re-testing would have to be recovered from the > final selling > price. > > It's a great pity that the PT-8000 could not be brought > into full > production, because the world always needs new and > different ideas. No > doubt the ideas from the PT-8000 - along with the hard > commercial > lessons - will be re-absorbed into Hilberling's highly > successful > commercial and military products, but it would have been so > much better > if those ideas had been out on the market to inspire and > challenge other > designers. > > Above all, I feel so sorry for Hans Hilberling, DK7LG, > because this > project was his own personal "baby" to put some > of his company's > commercial success back into amateur radio. (See > http://www.hilberling.de/ and click on "Ham > Radio".) > > It's a story that must give Wayne and Eric a shiver > down the spine. > > > > -- > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek > > > -- > > Message: 30 > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:32:43 +0100 > From: Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled. > To: Brendan Minish > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elecraft > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is > enforcing the > EMC legislation. Maybe Ireland is more fortunate. > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ > Member RSGB EMC Committee > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0100, Brendan Minish wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: > >> However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY > >> requirements which the FCC does not. That is a > good thing for > radio > >> amateurs, or anyone who operates a transmitter. > >> > > In Europe we do have ingress limits for consumer > equipment and > indeed > > they are set high enough to be useful to protect the > transmitting > > amateur from many of the issues surrounding badly > engineered > consumer > > devices. > > > > Our CE rules also set emissions limits for consumer > devices but > unlike > > FCC part b the liability for any remaining issues to > radio users > EVEN > > where a device is fully CE compliant remains with the > manufacturer or > > importer, not with the consumer that owns the device. > > > > CE compliance does not assume compliance with the EMC > directive > (article > > 4a is the relevant section for us) > > > > "the electromagnetic disturbance it generates > does not exceed a > level > > allowing radio and telecommunications equipment and > other > apparatus to > > operate as intended" > > > > no minimum limit is set for this conditio
Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled.
Sorry Ian, not so. If you had read the EMC column in RadCom you will see that complaints have been lodged with Ofcom by the RSGB EMCC with regard to computer SM PSU's. These are manufactured in China, fully CE marked, and sold through at least 3 well known electronic/computer outlets. In all cases the PSU's have been CE tested with the required input suppression components fitted, however when they are supplied to the UK these components are omitted, and wire links fitted in their place. The conducted noise level from these PSU's exceeds the permitted levels by many times. This is a clear breach of EU EMC legislation, but so far no action has been taken. They have also turned up in quantity in France. I am sure that these outlets selling the PSU's demanded, and got the paperwork. Unfortunately it is worthless unless there is enforcement. To date, despite much communication there has been nothing from Ofcom to move the matter forward. Taking the PSU back to the shop is fine if you brought the unit. Not so easy if it is a neighbour who's computer SM PSU is wiping out the HF bands. Although, not an EMC matter fairly recently a young boy was electrocuted because a CE marked computer PSU was of such poor quality that a low voltage wire touched the mains input wiring. In this case Trading Standards are investigating (after the event)... I am sorry if is rather OT, however it should be of interest to those who believe that all is well on the EMC front... 73 Stewart G3RXQ Member RSGB EMC Committee On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:43:27 +0100, Ian White GM3SEK wrote: > Stewart Baker wrote: >> All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is enforcing the EMC >> legislation. >> > It's true that nobody is enforcing it effectively against grey imports. > On the other hand, those are only a small minority of sales. The vast > majority of sales come from responsible manufacturers, through > responsible distributors. > > In Europe, the distributors provide the most effective enforcement of > manufacturing standards for consumer goods. This is because consumers in > Europe have strong legal rights which are directly against the > distributor. If there is a manufacturing defect, then in most cases the > consumer has a legal right to reject the goods and demand a refund from > the distributor. (Some distributors still try to fool customers into > going back to the manufacturer, but most consumers are becoming much > more savvy about the law. Refusal to give a refund *will* bring down > heavy enforcement from the consumer protection agencies.) > > The faulty goods then become the distributor's liability. Even if the > issue is eventually resolved with the manufacturer, the time and trouble > eats up everybody's profit margin. To avoid such situations as far as > possible, distributors routinely demand formal declarations of quality, > including compliance with all applicable standards. > > That still isn't to say that every declaration of compliance is > truthful, or that the technical standards themselves are totally > effective - far from it! - but even the present situation is a whole lot > better than nothing. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Elecraft Digest, Vol 51, Issue 42 Truncated Digests
This is happening to me too. The digest is usually over 200kb and at the truncation point there is a lowercase "b". Sometimes it's something like Donb. My Mail Server is GMX in Germany. My client is Outlook 2007. Vy 73, Bob DJ0MBC/WU5T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Elecraft Digest, Vol 51, Issue 43 Truncated Digest
This is to show how a truncated digest looks. Perhaps it will help? I am showing only the end of the digest. See the Donb that is usually at the end of the truncated digest. Vy 73, Bob DJ0MBC/WU5T fully CE complaint device that is causing interference to a radio user's normal operation must be resolved by the manufacturer or importer, not the hapless consumer that bought the device without knowledge that it was going to cause an issue for the 'radio ham next door' the EMC directive is available to read here http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/directiv/text.htm 73 EI6IZ (EMC representative for the IRTS) -- Donb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Antennas in trees
Ron, The information which I have sent to those who expressed interest contained a sketch which I believe would not be allowed in a post to the List. I could replace the diagram by some text if you think that I should post it, but unfortunately I won't be able to do that today. I hope that you have received the information. 73, Geoff GM4ESD Ron AC7AC wrote: Whatziz this "off line" stuff Geoff? I'm sure a number of us are interested. I know I am. Don't be afraid of the self-appointed "list cops". There's only one moderator and he's heartily endorsed such digressions within reason. Experience shows that if it's something an Elecraft rig owner might be interested in to enjoy building, modifying or operating his rig, it's something that belongs here. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] band buttons: full disclosure
On Fri Jul 25 23:24:54 EDT 2008, Don Rasmussen posted: [snip] >>>Just what is "the big deal" about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? <<< Hey Doug - You hit the nail on the head, contestors have the optimal solution with the stock K3. But "modest stations", what I'll call condo class or dipole class (like my own) require a scan of the available bands to see which -one- you can use on a given day. There is a fair amount of back and forth in determining which band to call home for a couple hours. [end snip] Here is my actual, private email to him, including the opening and closing. [snip] Hi Don, I'm going direct on this one.(skipping the reflector) I am genuinely curious. Just what is "the big deal" about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? I just don't see how it can matter...and I'm a contester, so speed is important to me. You really have me baffled so I please fill me in. Thanks! de Doug KR2Q [end snip] I felt compelled to post this, since his "excerpt" of my private email to him seemed, well, rather terse...which it was not. Doug ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:45:37 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: >The only reason I mention the labels is because it seems lately if you >ask someone to press two buttons to get something done or to actually >learn/remember something they look at you like you stole their favorite >blanket. I love the whole press for one option and hold for another to >get rid of having to press a F key and even more love the way that >Elecraft laid out the panel so that often a press activates/inactivates >a feature and a hold configures it. Can't get much simpler/cleaner than >that. > The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
> The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH > control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter > b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... This sort of design choice is always interesting -- to figure out what the greater number of users are going think is "intuitive". In your case, you are probably responding to an instinct derived from years of using radios where turning a control "up" is what you do to make the reception "better". So "better" = "clockwise". Not technically sensible when thinking in terms of bandwidth, but understandable. ;-) Bill W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 ( or K2 ) with a Kenwood SM230 station monitor
Does anyone have experience using the if output of the K3 into a Kenwood SM 230 station monitor please ? Or using a K2 in the same scenario? Its just that I have the chance to acquire one at a good price and as I have the LP Pan from Larry I was wondering if the SM 230 would be a useful asset for either of my K2's or my K3. Thanks guys 73 Keith -- Keith VK6XH / VK6DXR Chairman WIA VK6 Advisory Committee. Northern Corridor Radio Group Inc VK6ANC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
I often hit the band button when I want to turn the rig off. Seems natural that the power button would be on top. No biggie Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "hank k8dd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button
Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
... ... The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. When the width control is turned clockwise the bandwidth display widens with the left side moving farther left and the right side farther right. And anticlockwise adjustment shrinks the bandwidth display from both sides. How could it be made any more intuitive than that? Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and heil
Can anybody suggest me settings for a hEIL Headset with an HC5 insert? Mike gain, compression etc?? I am feeding it into the rear panel socket. Tom GM4FDM -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080725-1, 25/07/2008 Tested on: 26/07/2008 15:17:36 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
Hank and Drew, The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more width - that seems quite conventional to me. 73, Don W3FPR hank k8dd wrote: - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only one that felt this way. There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used to on this radio! 73HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to use the K3... < Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance items. 73, Dave N8AG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button
I rather miss sliding the honeycomb wound coils over the wooden dowels and landing the leads in Fahnestock clips followed by plugging in a new crystal to change bands. It was made more interesting by forgetting to turn off the HV but was a great way to wake up in the morning. By the way (while robbing threads) why does the K3 use a threaded post and knurled nut to fasten the ground wire when it's obvious that a Fahnestock clip could do the same job much quicker without even using a thumb? :-) Dave Agsten wrote: Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT: Northern lights
Thought they were there to help the Ice Road Truckers see... If anyone has seen the show, I thought I had picked up they had HF in them?? Wonder if there are non-amaetur radios that they would use that would give them the range to reach out further than CBs or commerical VHF radios would. What an application of Elecraft radios, any thoughts --- 73 Chuck AA8VS MI-QRP #1212 GM Firebirds #2117 FPQRP #113 TSARC #3952 SOC #445 http://www.aa8vs.org/aa8vs ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Sub receiver installation
How difficult is it to install the sub receiver in the K3? How much time does it take? Considering taking delivery of K3 without the sub receiver installed.. Mike Miller KA5SMA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KXV3 board questions
Just installed the KXV3 board this morning and have observed the following: 1) the RX ant works - what is the RX ant OUT for? 2) in the Config menu for the KXV3 get only these three options - nor, not installed and EESE. 3) in the config WMTR mode, will only go to HP and VFO A just varies a number from 0-100, no option for LP or MW 4) observed the transverter out and in with an oscilloscope and when in cw mode and key rig all I see is differentiated spikes. I went through the transverter set up menu as well. That seems to agree with the manual. Any suggestions? Thank you, Jack, W3TMZ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] WIDTH control
I have this same discussion (which way to turn the width control) on a regular basis. Many people buy the variable-bandwidth NEScaf audio filter kit from the New England QRP Club www.newenglandqrp.org and ask which way they should wire the width pot. In those cases, I explain how the circuit works, and advise them to wire the pot the way -they- want it to respond. You can have it get narrower as you turn clockwise, if you wish. On the K3, Bandwidth being the control label, it should -increase- the bandwidth as you turn clockwise. So, I'm fine with the K3 response, as the control actually does what it is labelled to do. OK, so can we now re-open the discussion about which way the up/down band buttons should work? (just kidding...) Bruce Beford, N1RX K1 KX1 K2 K3... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Sub receiver installation
> How difficult is it to install the sub receiver in the K3? Depends on one's skill in such things. Some people call it trivial and others think it is a big deal. > How much time does it take? As reported on this reflector, experiences have ranged from 1.5 to 4 hours. The instructions are excellent, but they have to be read and followed diligently. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:18:24 -0400, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hank and Drew, > >The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width >control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the >control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). >That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is >exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more >width - that seems quite conventional to me. > >73, >Don W3FPR > Seems logical to me too. As with most of the other controls: AF: left less, right more RF/SQL: left, less, right more Speed/Mic: left less, right more CMP/PWR: left less, right more DELAY: left less, right more MON: left less, right more VFO: left less, right more CLR: left less, right more PITCH: left less, right more If one installed the narrow filters from narrow to wide from FL1 to FL5 I suppose the XFL button would work as you described it, but you must have a wider filter in position 1, so actually when you select a filter you are not necessarily selecting a narrower filter, you are selecting the filter number. I think that may be one of the reasons for the filter width display. To indicate the filter width you have chosen, either by using the WIDTH control or the XFIL button. Really though, it doesn't take long to learn where they are. I have five installed and have no trouble recalling which is which. >hank k8dd wrote: >> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile >>> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing >>> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The >>> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I >>> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it >>> clockwise... >>> >>> 73, >>> Drew >>> AF2Z >> >> I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left >> for >> narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only >> one that felt this way. >> There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get >> used to on this radio! >> >> 73HankK8DD [snip] Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter >working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance >items. > >73, >Dave N8AG > Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button
The solution is really very simple. Just have a bank of K3's. One for each band of interest. With a switching arrangement to suit the operator. Hams can't leave everything up to the rig designers. Also, maybe the firmware download could have a menu, with user selectable features. One size fits all firmware can't please everyone. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW = On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:04 AM, Dave Agsten wrote: Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] ESD Safety
This is a subject that comes up here regularly among those working on their Elecraft (and other) rigs. Doing some research on a project, I ran across the following values published by Hewlett-Packard Company. They provide some insight about why it's important to use ESD-safe handling procedures. The "PCBs" mentioned below are, of course, Printed Circuit Boards, not the stuff found in old capacitors and transformers. "DIPs" are Dual In-line Pin integrated circuits such as found throughout Elecraft rigs. Typical Electrostatic Voltage Levels Relative Humidity for each voltage level shown below: 10% 40% 55% Walking across carpet 35,000 V 15,000 V 7,500 V Walking across vinyl floor 12,000 V 5,000 V 3,000 V Motions of bench worker 6,000 V 800 V 400 V Removing DIPS from plastic tube 2,000 V 700 V 400 V Removing DIPS from vinyl tray 11,500 V 4,000 V 2,000 V Removing DIPS from Styrofoam 14,500 V 5,000 V 3,500 V Removing bubble pack from PCB 26,500 V 20,000 V 7,000 V Packing PCBs in foam-lined box 21,000 V 11,000 V 5,000 V Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ESD Safety
Looks like the only solution is to work under water. All of the voltages exceed the 30 volts or so level we have heard cause damage to sensitive components. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW On Jul 26, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: This is a subject that comes up here regularly among those working on their Elecraft (and other) rigs. Doing some research on a project, I ran across the following values published by Hewlett-Packard Company. They provide some insight about why it's important to use ESD-safe handling procedures. The "PCBs" mentioned below are, of course, Printed Circuit Boards, not the stuff found in old capacitors and transformers. "DIPs" are Dual In-line Pin integrated circuits such as found throughout Elecraft rigs. Typical Electrostatic Voltage Levels Relative Humidity for each voltage level shown below: 10% 40% 55% Walking across carpet 35,000 V 15,000 V 7,500 V Walking across vinyl floor 12,000 V 5,000 V 3,000 V Motions of bench worker 6,000 V 800 V 400 V Removing DIPS from plastic tube 2,000 V 700 V 400 V Removing DIPS from vinyl tray 11,500 V 4,000 V 2,000 V Removing DIPS from Styrofoam 14,500 V 5,000 V 3,500 V Removing bubble pack from PCB 26,500 V 20,000 V 7,000 V Packing PCBs in foam-lined box 21,000 V 11,000 V 5,000 V Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] ESD Safety
Ron wrote: > Typical Electrostatic Voltage Levels > Relative Humidity for each voltage level shown below: > 10% > 40% > 55% > > Walking across carpet > 35,000 V > 15,000 V > 7,500 V > > Walking across vinyl floor > 12,000 V > 5,000 V > 3,000 V > > Motions of bench worker > 6,000 V > 800 V > 400 V > > Removing DIPS from plastic tube > 2,000 V > 700 V > 400 V > Being aware of these facts, and not letting it paralyze you with fear: Priceless. 73, Bruce N1RX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ESD Safety
Knowing that you need 2000V or so before you feel it illustraits why its important to take ESD precautions with sensitive parts, very recently at work we had an LDMOS device that would be destroyed with about 30V which means moving your hand in the air near it would cook it, hence why the use of wriststraps, smocks and ionizers is key, most electronics are not this sensitive however. (class 3 is 16KV) Matt KD8DAO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ESD Safety
Even with all of the ESD controls in place, the mil specs require the assembly operation to shut down if the humidity goes below 25%!!! Elliott WA6TLA - Original Message - From: "Rick Dettinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESD Safety Looks like the only solution is to work under water. All of the voltages exceed the 30 volts or so level we have heard cause damage to sensitive components. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW On Jul 26, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: This is a subject that comes up here regularly among those working on their Elecraft (and other) rigs. Doing some research on a project, I ran across the following values published by Hewlett-Packard Company. They provide some insight about why it's important to use ESD-safe handling procedures. The "PCBs" mentioned below are, of course, Printed Circuit Boards, not the stuff found in old capacitors and transformers. "DIPs" are Dual In-line Pin integrated circuits such as found throughout Elecraft rigs. Typical Electrostatic Voltage Levels Relative Humidity for each voltage level shown below: 10% 40% 55% Walking across carpet 35,000 V 15,000 V 7,500 V Walking across vinyl floor 12,000 V 5,000 V 3,000 V Motions of bench worker 6,000 V 800 V 400 V Removing DIPS from plastic tube 2,000 V 700 V 400 V Removing DIPS from vinyl tray 11,500 V 4,000 V 2,000 V Removing DIPS from Styrofoam 14,500 V 5,000 V 3,500 V Removing bubble pack from PCB 26,500 V 20,000 V 7,000 V Packing PCBs in foam-lined box 21,000 V 11,000 V 5,000 V Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Level Beta 2.20
I just discovered that I can no longer adjust my CW sidetone level. Holding LEVEL brings up a menu item dSP t1-6. This seems related to firmware beta 2.20. Am I doing something wrong? Don K7FJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can economically change things. Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. Mike WA8EBM - Original Message - From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to use the K3... < Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance items. 73, Dave N8AG Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sidetone Level Beta 2.20
I just discovered that I can no longer adjust my CW sidetone level. Sideotne amplitude is set by MON in CW mode. LEVEL is part of the Noise Blanker. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Sidetone Level Beta 2.20
In a word, yes you are Don... Holding "Level" adjusts the noise blanker level. You need to press and hold "Mon" for side tone level. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 I just discovered that I can no longer adjust my CW sidetone level. Holding LEVEL brings up a menu item dSP t1-6. This seems related to firmware beta 2.20. Am I doing something wrong? Don K7FJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:32:10 -0400, "Mike Penkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference >with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can >economically change things. I agree. >Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new >package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for >transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we >could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so >inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the >TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the >obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I >think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 >easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth >unless there is a big cabinet. The Japanese manufacturers sell their radios by their weight, multiplied by the number of front panel controls ;O) >Take a look at all the dead space inside an >Orion II cabinet. Well, they had to make room for that big control panel with the much less than real-time band scope. [snip] I like the Elecraft way of letting you install options. If you don't want it you don't pay for it. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] dipole antenna & camping trip
Here is some antenna information that might supprise you! I was planning a camping trip to the mountains and needed a dipole antenna for my K2/10. I would be camped in a heavly wooded area and space between trees would be small. So before leaving home I built a 20 meter dipole because it would be short and would be easier to get in between the trees. Then I decided it would be nice to have 40 meters if I had the room, so I took two end clamps off of a battery jumper cable and clamped them to the end of the 20 meter dipole, then added enough wire to the clamps to make it a 40 meter dipole. When I installed the antenna at 8000 feet alt I had enough room for the 40 meter addition. The center was 25 feet off the ground, one end was 20 feet up and the other 6 feet off the ground. I found that with the 40 meter attachment with the battery cable clamps the antenna was resonate on 40, 20, and 15 meters with an swr of .1 on all three bands. Even in the heavly forrested area I worked stations all over the US and Canada. Just to the north of me was a mountain range that went above the timberline, but I didn't seem to have any trouble getting over it, and to the south was another that was about ten thousand feet high. They didn't seem to effect my signals. I was running 10 watts the whole time. The bears even left me alone! 73 Scott N5SM . ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
Strange I never thought of it that way as to looking at the XFIL section... I guess that comes from more time where you select which rock you want to use manually. My last rig was a TS450 where you just hit a button to cycle through them and they were laid out vertically on the screen. To me the knob seemed intuitive up for higher (wider) bandwidths and vice versa but I can see how if you keyed on the XFIL section on the screen you could get confused by that. I find that I pretty much never look there I just use the filter representation on the screen. If I want to know exactly where I'm at I just double tap the width knob. But I'm sure that you all got used to turning it the other way in a week or two so its all good now.. :) Every radio has its learning curve. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:33 -0400, hank k8dd wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > > will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > > to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > > only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > > kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > > clockwise... > > > > 73, > > Drew > > AF2Z > > I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for > narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > one that felt this way. > There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used > to on this radio! > > 73HankK8DD > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3?
I must admit that this also is one that I felt was weird. To me it only seemed natural to have the power button on the top. As when I first started looking at the panel it took me a second to find the button but not long. Now that I think about it it makes sense though. The POWER button is such a rarely used thing (during operation) that it makes sense not to give it the pole position seat. That puts band in a much easier to get to location. I see it as an improvement in ergonomics and one that personally I don't think I'd have come up with on my own. Convention in my mind was that band and mode would have been slid down and power in the top corner. I'll definately remember this when I go to design my next keypanel. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:38 -0400, n4lq wrote: > I often hit the band button when I want to turn the rig off. Seems natural > that the power button would be on top. No biggie > Steve Ellington > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: "hank k8dd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control - Was: ON4UN has a K3? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > >> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > >> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > >> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > >> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > >> clockwise... > >> > >> 73, > >> Drew > >> AF2Z > > > > I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left for > > narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > > one that felt this way. > > There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get used > > to on this radio! > > > > 73HankK8DD > > ___ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > > 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/2008 4:27 PM > > > > > > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WIDTH control
Remember that they have to go in bandwidth order the way they go.. One can't simply reverse that I believe at the current juncture. But I think they were simply mentioning that that was what they felt it should do. Seems that they've grown accustomed now... But maybe I'm all wet. ;) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 10:38 -0500, Tom Childers, N5GE wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:18:24 -0400, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hank and Drew, > > > >The only thing I can think of is that you must be associating the width > >control to a 'peaking' control where the peak becomes more narrow as the > >control is advanced (reminiscent of the old Q-multiplier controls). > >That is not a 'width' control in my mind. I feel the width control is > >exactly right as it is - turn left for less width, turn right for more > >width - that seems quite conventional to me. > > > >73, > >Don W3FPR > > > > Seems logical to me too. > > As with most of the other controls: > > AF: left less, right more > RF/SQL: left, less, right more > Speed/Mic: left less, right more > CMP/PWR: left less, right more > DELAY: left less, right more > MON: left less, right more > VFO: left less, right more > CLR: left less, right more > PITCH: left less, right more > > If one installed the narrow filters from narrow to wide from FL1 to FL5 I > suppose the XFL button would work as you described it, but you must have a > wider > filter in position 1, so actually when you select a filter you are not > necessarily selecting a narrower filter, you are selecting the filter number. > I > think that may be one of the reasons for the filter width display. To > indicate > the filter width you have chosen, either by using the WIDTH control or the > XFIL > button. Really though, it doesn't take long to learn where they are. I have > five installed and have no trouble recalling which is which. > > > >hank k8dd wrote: > >> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile > >>> will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing > >>> to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The > >>> only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I > >>> kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it > >>> clockwise... > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> Drew > >>> AF2Z > >> > >> I agree It seems strange that the WIDTH control turns to the left > >> for > >> narrower when the Filter display goes right I thought I was the only > >> one that felt this way. > >> There are a handful of things that seem strange that you have to get > >> used to on this radio! > >> > >> 73HankK8DD > [snip] > > Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq > > "Those who would give up > Essential Liberty to > purchase a little Temporary > Safety deserve neither > Liberty nor Safety" > > An excerpt from a letter > written in 1755 from the > Assembly to the Governor > of Pennsylvania. > > Support the entire Constitution, not > just the parts you like. > > http://www.n5ge.com > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] [K2] Gain variation by band with K2SB
During the recent NAQP RTTY contest, as I changed bands I noticed a lot of variation in the output of my RTTY signal as I changed bands. On 80 and 40m, I needed lot less audio input to get full output (40w) than on 20m, and a lot more on 15 and 10m. This required a lot of attention. If I changed bands upward, then I might only eke out a couple of watts. If I changed bands downward, I could overdrive the rig into ALC action. Is this normal and expected? I'm using the K2SB with RTTY mode, so the audio compression is off. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Agreed... I get a bit too wound up about it as it would frustrate me if I was the designer. I've been very happy wtih Wayne's prior priority structure and I'm sure it'll continue that way in the future. The one I'm still interested in playing with is the DVR. It'll probably be mostly a wowgit factor for me as I don't do a lot of SSB but it'll be my favorite thing in the world for FD. On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 07:29 -0700, Dave Agsten wrote: > Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's > about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > > Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it > the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter > working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance > items. > > 73, > Dave N8AG > > > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Heck I was impressed at how open and clean it was inside the K3. Then I saw the pictures of the sub RX and was impressed at how shoehorned in there it all was... Find it pretty impressive that they even had enough room to add the extra sub RX shielding as an afterthoght too! Maybe they were already planning for it as a possibility but when they were cranking out the SubRX it seemed like it was something they had to add to increase isolation between the two receivers. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 13:32 -0400, Mike Penkas wrote: > I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference > with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can > economically change things. > Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new > package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for > transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we > could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so > inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the > TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the > obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I > think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 > easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth > unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an > Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do > with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. > > Mike WA8EBM > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's > >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > > > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it > >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their > >filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining > >performance items. > > > >73, > >Dave N8AG > > > > Amen. > > Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq > > "Those who would give up > Essential Liberty to > purchase a little Temporary > Safety deserve neither > Liberty nor Safety" > > An excerpt from a letter > written in 1755 from the > Assembly to the Governor > of Pennsylvania. > > Support the entire Constitution, not > just the parts you like. > > http://www.n5ge.com > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
G'day, I don't recall all this anguish about the layout of the K2 front panel. Why can't we just accept that it is as it is and get a life and get on with better things. I'm sure there is no way it's going to redesigned to suit individual whimsy. I for one am utterly sick of hearing about it. Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. Regards, Mike VP8NO K2 #1400 K3 #345 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KXV3 board questions
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 11:01 -0400, Jack Colson wrote: > Just installed the KXV3 board this morning and have observed the > following: > 1) the RX ant works - what is the RX ant OUT for? > I believe that you can use it for feeding your signals through a preamp. I used it a while back for doing A/B comparisons of rigs. I set the other rig to 0Watts out then I connected the output of that rig to RX out. Then hooked the antenna up to RX ANT. Then I could tune both rigs to a signal and then quickly switch between the two and do comparisons. The K3 compared favoribly to my TS450 but heck I knew the TS450 was a noisy son of a gun once I got my K1! > 2) in the Config menu for the KXV3 get only these three options - nor, > not installed and EESE. > That actually says tESt > 3) in the config WMTR mode, will only go to HP and VFO A just varies a > number from 0-100, no option for LP or MW > If you simply turn your power below 12 watts you'll get WMTR LP. Then to get to the MW setting you need to put your KXV3 into tESt mode. Check page 46 ofyour owners manual. > 4) observed the transverter out and in with an oscilloscope and when in > cw mode and key rig all I see is differentiated spikes. Were you in a transverter band? > > I went through the transverter set up menu as well. That seems to agree > with the manual. > > Any suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Jack, W3TMZ > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware instructions
I am trying to down-load the latest Beta version of the firmware. I can follow the steps shown on the instructions page OK until I get to step 9 where it says to "click down-load all new firmware'. Is there a button in the K3 utility that says this? I just can not see it or am I missing something? Thanks, Gene W2BXR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware instructions
Click the Send All New Firmware to K3 button. On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 19:41 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am trying to down-load the latest Beta version of the firmware. I can > follow the steps shown on the instructions page OK until I get to step 9 > where it says to "click down-load all new firmware'. Is there a button in > the K3 utility that says this? I just can not see it or am I missing > something? > > Thanks, Gene > W2BXR > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Antennas in trees
Best and easiest way to shoot antenna is here: http://www.antennalaunchers.com/csv19/index.htm I tried almost all imaginable systems during 50 years. And tennis ball does not harm anything when coming down. This can be ordered as a kit, too. Smile! Benny OH9NB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Gain variation by band with K2SB
Bill, Yes, that is a consequence of not driving the K2 into the ALC region. The overall Tx gain of the K2 varies from band to band, and normally the internal ALC takes care of flattening it out. When operating AFSK data modes, the preferred operating procedure is to set the power higher than your desired operating power and then bring up the audio input to produce the power level that you want to operate with - by doing that, your IMD is lower, but the ALC is not functioning and the power will vary from band to band depending on the TX gain for that band. Unfortunately, the K2 does not have the DSP IF like the K3, and automatic compensation is not possible unless you are overdriving something (and producing a higher Tx IMD than necessary). 73, Don W3FPR Bill Coleman wrote: During the recent NAQP RTTY contest, as I changed bands I noticed a lot of variation in the output of my RTTY signal as I changed bands. On 80 and 40m, I needed lot less audio input to get full output (40w) than on 20m, and a lot more on 15 and 10m. This required a lot of attention. If I changed bands upward, then I might only eke out a couple of watts. If I changed bands downward, I could overdrive the rig into ALC action. Is this normal and expected? I'm using the K2SB with RTTY mode, so the audio compression is off. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Antennas in trees
HAHA oh thats JUST what I need!!! ;) I've already got a few fishing weights up in the tree in the back yard... Its a big cedar and getting through it is a bear. So as you get part way through and are realing back those things tend to wind themselves around a branch and not want to let go. If I was using one of these I'd have brightly colored tennis balls up there. It'be christmas year round! Do gotta admit this would be one FUN toy for FD! ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 23:14 +0300, Benny Aumala wrote: > Best and easiest way to shoot antenna is here: > > http://www.antennalaunchers.com/csv19/index.htm > > I tried almost all imaginable systems during 50 years. > And tennis ball does not harm anything when coming down. > This can be ordered as a kit, too. > Smile! > > Benny OH9NB > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Antenna Launching
Benny wrote: > Best and easiest way to shoot antenna is here: > > http://www.antennalaunchers.com/csv19/index.htm > > I tried almost all imaginable systems during 50 years. > And tennis ball does not harm anything when coming down. > This can be ordered as a kit, too. > Smile! I get a lot of use out of my CSV-19. I built it from a kit. Some pictures with captions can be found on the New England QRP Club website here: http://newenglandqrp.org/node/273 These are pictures from Lobstercon 2007. Click on each thumbnail for a larger view. One of the pics was featured on the cover of QRP Quarterly last Autumn. The tennis ball launcher is very effective, and fun to use. 73, Bruce N1RX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 surplus space?
I just installed the KRX3 in the K3 already loaded with 100W and tuner. Now there appears to be surplus room above the KRX3 about the same height as the KRX3. I wonder what product Wayne and Eric plan to go in that spot? :-D Aloha, John KH7T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 - KAT100 Resistance Checks Anomoly
I recently completed the resistance checks for the KAT100 and came up with the following seemingly minor anomalies: U2 Pin 12 to Ground: Target: >100K Measured: .1 Ohms U5 Pin 3 to ground: Target: 45-55k Measured: 56.0k Are these problem areas or do I need to trouble shoot? If these measurements are problematic, I would greatly appreciate guidance on where to start looking. Thanks and 73, Chris K7CJA K2#6442 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K2---KAT100-Resistance-Checks-Anomoly-tp584847p584847.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Fwd: [Elecraft] Antenna Launching
I like to use a fishing rod and reelwith two "nuts" attached to the end. I have also used 2-oz to 5-oz fishing weights. The mono filament line needs to be around 10 pound test. Yea, I know...we catch Catfish in Kansas...not trout. I have had good luck with this and enjoy the practice of putting the weights in ther "right place" for crappie season. A few hours of casting and you can get pretty good at it. I then use some string or small rope...and back haul through the trees. The tennis ball is great, but I've had them get caught in trees. Yep..true! The weights to not seem to do that. Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
Will RG-174 handle 100W at HF/6M? I am building a tuning bridge for my Nye Viking tuner, and will be installing a relay to switch it in and out of circuit. My K3 will transmit and receive through the NC contacts of the relay. Mike Mike Short AI4NS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KAT100 Resistance Checks Anomoly
Chris, The U5 Pin 3 to ground is not likely a problem - that reading will depend on the exact setting of R3. You apparently have it set a bit above the center position. The U2 Pin 12 is another matter altogether, and *is* a problem. Look for a solder bridge at U2 pin 12, U3 pin 12 and J1 pin 10. On U2 and U3, the pins on either side of pin 12 are grounded, so I would expect you will find the problem there. Use some solder wick and wick away any excess solder. If the solder fills the thru-plated hole, that is enough. 73, Don W3FPR CJA wrote: I recently completed the resistance checks for the KAT100 and came up with the following seemingly minor anomalies: U2 Pin 12 to Ground: Target: >100K Measured: .1 Ohms U5 Pin 3 to ground: Target: 45-55k Measured: 56.0k Are these problem areas or do I need to trouble shoot? If these measurements are problematic, I would greatly appreciate guidance on where to start looking. Thanks and 73, Chris K7CJA K2#6442 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 2.04P chip for sale
I have a 2.04P firmware chip for sale. I DO NOT have the IOC 1.09 with it however. Both are needed to upgrade. I am asking $10.00 plus $2.00 for postage. The first reply has it. 73 Alan W1HYV _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
Mike, My chart in the ARRL Handbook says RG-174 has a dielectric breakdown voltage of 300 volts RMS. So in theory, it will handle 1800 watts at an SWR = 1.0 (less at higher SWR) - but I would not trust it at much over 25 watts myself. I like to see a larger safety factor where transmission lines are concerned. The ohmic losses may be great too, that all depends on the length and the SWR. 73, Don W3FPR Mike Short wrote: Will RG-174 handle 100W at HF/6M? I am building a tuning bridge for my Nye Viking tuner, and will be installing a relay to switch it in and out of circuit. My K3 will transmit and receive through the NC contacts of the relay. Mike ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
Well, that shows that it ought to be OK from the voltage breakdown perspective, but consider current carrying capability or self heating of that little bitty center conductor too. It might be limiting. If you allow it an amp, 50 watts. Two amps, 200 watts. At 100 watts of course, 1.414 amps. Probably OK, I'd think. But I don't know that I'd go much higher. 73--Nick, WA5BDU Don Wilhelm wrote: Mike, My chart in the ARRL Handbook says RG-174 has a dielectric breakdown voltage of 300 volts RMS. So in theory, it will handle 1800 watts at an SWR = 1.0 (less at higher SWR) - but I would not trust it at much over 25 watts myself. I like to see a larger safety factor where transmission lines are concerned. The ohmic losses may be great too, that all depends on the length and the SWR. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
Well, according to the wire tables, the 26 gauge center conductor can safely handle about 350 to 400 milliamperes, depending on how you interpret the safety factors. The center conductor is certainly not operating in "open air", so the best figure is probably the one used for wire in bundles. That works out to 10 watts or thereabouts, which strikes me as about right for RG-174. Give or take a little room for SWR, this sounds like a safe "rule of thumb" for normal use. At 1800 watts, I would stand wy back when power was applied!Can you say "BOOOM" ? - Jim, KL7CC Nick-WA5BDU wrote: Well, that shows that it ought to be OK from the voltage breakdown perspective, but consider current carrying capability or self heating of that little bitty center conductor too. It might be limiting. If you allow it an amp, 50 watts. Two amps, 200 watts. At 100 watts of course, 1.414 amps. Probably OK, I'd think. But I don't know that I'd go much higher. 73--Nick, WA5BDU Don Wilhelm wrote: Mike, My chart in the ARRL Handbook says RG-174 has a dielectric breakdown voltage of 300 volts RMS. So in theory, it will handle 1800 watts at an SWR = 1.0 (less at higher SWR) - but I would not trust it at much over 25 watts myself. I like to see a larger safety factor where transmission lines are concerned. The ohmic losses may be great too, that all depends on the length and the SWR. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Don Wilhelm wrote: I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. Don't know about ON4UN but K6DGW is happy with the up/down band buttons Hope to find everyone in the FOBB tomorrow, I will have a 3 el yagi courtesy of W6MMA of superantennas.com. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
At 06:33 PM 7/26/2008, Mike Short wrote... Will RG-174 handle 100W at HF/6M? Maybe. RG-188A/U (Belden 83269) might be a bit better, it's rated for much higher temperatures (to 200C), and has slightly less loss (vs. Belden 8216 RG-174/U). http://www.belden.com/pdfs/03Belden_Master_Catalog/06Coaxial_Cables/06Coaxial_Cables.pdf There's this: http://www.therfc.com/powerrat.htm#RG174 Says 174 is good to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 188 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then this: www.qsl.net/va3iul/coaxloss.pdf Says 174 is good to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 188 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two sources roughly agree. I assume that they assume a 1:1 SWR. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Off Topic RG-174
Mike Short wrote: Will RG-174 handle 100W at HF/6M? For the reasons given in other posts, I wouldn't trust it. One thing I've seen with RG174 is migration of the center conductor caused by I^2R heating where the cable is bent into a small radius. It does not take much shift to cause a center conductor-to-braid short. If you have to use a small diameter cable because of physical limitations, I would go with a Teflon equivalent, such as RG-188. Jack K8ZOA www.cliftonlaboratories.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 I/O Module Help Needed
Hi Gang, On FD, my K2 I/O board went south. It just stopped working when contest time arrived Saturday. Bummer. I've just dug into the radio and found that I have no power to U1 or Q1 on the I/O board and that L1 on the Aux2 Board is busted. Has a hole in its side to be exact. So, my junk box has no 15uH inductors hiding anywhere. I have some inductors but no way to measure them. Anyone have any ideas? Is there a resistor I could sub to finish troubleshooting? Maybe a few turns of #18 tinned wire would do the trick? I cannot even find formulas to help me out. Yes, I'll order a few from the big E Monday, but until then.. 73, Mark K2QO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Good Evening, The cool weather has continued. Currently there is a light rain falling which is supposed to keep going until Monday. I do not believe we will ever get to the dry season at this rate. Luckily I have not needed to start a fire yet this summer. It was very close last week and I did get "the look" from Sam more than once. He was sitting in his box next to the woodstove waiting for me to get him warm. But, since the sun has been coming out in the afternoon, it does get above 60 degrees in the house each day. This cool weather has allowed me to work a lot on my woodpile. I will be warm this winter with all of the seasoned wood which keeps stacking up. During breaks in chores I have been on twenty meters. Conditions were OK more often than not. Summer storms were the worst problem especially when Dolly hit Brownsville/Matamoros. When the lightning created static is not present signal strength was adequate for communications. Even the MARS frequencies were working OK for those few voice contacts I make each week. I did not get on either 40 or 80 meters this week due to an active evening schedule. Plus I was just too tired to stay awake very late. But my exercise plan is working nicely and I am eating like a horse! If the weather ever dries out I will be able to rip up my roof and perform the much needed repairs. Work on the woodpile is just preparation for carrying all the materials up on to my roof. By the time winter arrives I will be in very good shape (if I survive that is :). Please join us tomorrow evening. 1) Hail signs (first letter or two of the suffix of your call) 2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP help) Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4 PM PDT) 14050 kHz Monday 0200z (Sunday 7 PM PDT) 7045 kHz Stay well, Kevin. KD5ONS ecn.visionseer.com - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band Button Gripe
>> Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. That's where I agree with you Mike. I started this thread by suggesting a new setup option for band buttons, a new enhancement that would detract from no existing features. I expected at most "not necessary" by those who cared enough to voice a contrary opinion, yet reading the responses they started with "When our Forefathers" (a sarcastic jab) and ending with "AMEN". (brother). I sensed no sarcasm there at all. Private emails to me indicated that some felt "passionate" on the subject, enough to justify public and private jabs about the issue. Why, if it's an add-on? Got me. Why the nasty sarcasm at all? It seems like a few vocal BRAND zealots feel they need to enforce their will and the list seems a convenient way of going about it. Reminds me of some periods on the Ten Tec reflector. Kool aid guys - stay here and pump up your egos, your good for one another. Just realize the sensible majority is silent, and some of us can't even bear to read the digest through your tripe anymore. didit. [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe Mike Harris mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Jul 26 15:34:58 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe Next message: [Elecraft] OT: Northern lights G'day, I don't recall all this anguish about the layout of the K2 front panel. Why can't we just accept that it is as it is and get a life and get on with better things. I'm sure there is no way it's going to redesigned to suit individual whimsy. I for one am utterly sick of hearing about it. Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. Regards, Mike VP8NO K2 #1400 K3 #345 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 I/O Module Help Needed
Mark, I would bet you are using an externally mounted KPA100/KAT100 combination. That puts a load on the 12CTRL line coming out of the K2, and yes oft times L1 on the AUX board is overloaded and goes up in smoke. It is usually OK with the KPA100 or the KAT100 alone, but the combination of the two overloads that tiny inductor. You need to replace the inductor with one having a heavier current rating. A toroid will do just fine. If you have one of those tiny cores like used in the KSB2 RFC1 and RFC2, then just wind about 15 turns on that core. Lacking that, use an FT37-43 core and wind about 12 turns on it (the FT-37 core is a bit large and untidy when mounted on the AUX board, but it works). The inductance is not critical. In fact, you probably can temporarily substitute a wire, but there may be noise coupling between your KPA100 and KAT100 at times, so I would not recommend the wire as a permanent fix, but it can get you going until you can get a suitable inductor. If you want a tool to figure the number of turns needed on a core to produce a given inductance, I suggest you download miniRing Core Calculator by DL5SWB - it is freeware for radio amateurs - see www.dl5swb.de to download it. 73, Don W3FPR Mark Adams, PE wrote: Hi Gang, On FD, my K2 I/O board went south. It just stopped working when contest time arrived Saturday. Bummer. I've just dug into the radio and found that I have no power to U1 or Q1 on the I/O board and that L1 on the Aux2 Board is busted. Has a hole in its side to be exact. So, my junk box has no 15uH inductors hiding anywhere. I have some inductors but no way to measure them. Anyone have any ideas? Is there a resistor I could sub to finish troubleshooting? Maybe a few turns of #18 tinned wire would do the trick? I cannot even find formulas to help me out. Yes, I'll order a few from the big E Monday, but until then.. 73, Mark K2QO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] ESD Safety
Ron, Thank you very much for the information. I usually work tethered to ground with a wrist strap but also need to acquire a mat. Since my K3 will be factory built, I won't rush it for now. My environment typically is 60% humidity... sometimes higher... my shop/shack is in the basement. When I start to smell mold I turn on the Dehumidifiers. Air conditioning is available but the who needs that when the temp is 65! 72, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35, K2 # 5279, KX1 #35, Mini Modules, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:51 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ESD Safety This is a subject that comes up here regularly among those working on their Elecraft (and other) rigs. Doing some research on a project, I ran across the following values published by Hewlett-Packard Company. They provide some insight about why it's important to use ESD-safe handling procedures. The "PCBs" mentioned below are, of course, Printed Circuit Boards, not the stuff found in old capacitors and transformers. "DIPs" are Dual In-line Pin integrated circuits such as found throughout Elecraft rigs. Typical Electrostatic Voltage Levels Relative Humidity for each voltage level shown below: 10% 40% 55% Walking across carpet 35,000 V 15,000 V 7,500 V Walking across vinyl floor 12,000 V 5,000 V 3,000 V Motions of bench worker 6,000 V 800 V 400 V Removing DIPS from plastic tube 2,000 V 700 V 400 V Removing DIPS from vinyl tray 11,500 V 4,000 V 2,000 V Removing DIPS from Styrofoam 14,500 V 5,000 V 3,500 V Removing bubble pack from PCB 26,500 V 20,000 V 7,000 V Packing PCBs in foam-lined box 21,000 V 11,000 V 5,000 V Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
I have two K2's and use the lower power one to irritate the QRO boys on 75. They think I should add more power. I think they should get better receivers! 72, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35, K2 # 5279, KX1 #35, Mini Modules, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Penkas Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can economically change things. Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. Mike WA8EBM - Original Message - From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their >filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining >performance items. > >73, >Dave N8AG > Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware instructions
Thanks for the quick reply Brett. However, the "Send all new firmware to K3" button is grayed out. Gene W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware instructions
Are you using the most current version of the K3 Utility? There should be a "send all firmware" button on the most recent version. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:35 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware instructions Thanks for the quick reply Brett. However, the "Send all new firmware to K3" button is grayed out. Gene W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions
The K3 Update utility I am using is the windows version, 1.1.6.3 Gene W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Antenna Launching
I home brewed one of those fishing reel/slingshot things that are advertised in QST for $99 with a $15 reel, a $7 slinshot and a hose clamp. Works great with a heavy fishing weight in the tall oaks and maples at our lake place in the Ozarks. At the home QTH in Kansas we have no trees of any size in our small yard so I just climb the tower :) Lee Buller wrote: > > > > I like to use a fishing rod and reelwith two "nuts" attached to the > end. I have also used 2-oz to 5-oz fishing weights. The mono filament > line needs to be around 10 pound test. Yea, I know...we catch Catfish in > Kansas...not trout. > > I have had good luck with this and enjoy the practice of putting the > weights in ther "right place" for crappie season. A few hours of casting > and you can get pretty good at it. > > I then use some string or small rope...and back haul through the trees. > The tennis ball is great, but I've had them get caught in trees. > Yep..true! The weights to not seem to do that. > > Lee - K0WA > > > > In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you > don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you > can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some > Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fwd%3A-Antenna-Launching-tp584856p584973.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions
If you're going to instal a Beta Firmware Version, uncheck the "Copy New Files from Elecraft Server" selection, and click "Check Versions Now" to cause the K3 Utility to read the currently installed firmware version (the version in the K3). Uncheck the "Advanced Mode" option (in the View Menu) and click the "Send All Firmware to K3" button. If the "send" buttons are disabled, verify that you have all the required files in your firmware folder. There's a Troubleshooting topic in the K3 Utility Help on the reasons that the Send buttons might be disabled that describes the required files. 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:19 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions The K3 Update utility I am using is the windows version, 1.1.6.3 Gene W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions
How are you connected to your K3? Via 9-pin RS232 cable or via a usb adapter. Also when you run the communication test on the first tab does that work? On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 02:18 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The K3 Update utility I am using is the windows version, 1.1.6.3 > > Gene > W2BXR > K3, 1188 > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions
I am connected to the k3 via a usb to rs232 adapter purchased from Elecraft. Yes, the communication test works. A message window appears and says "K3 is running main program RS232 38400 bps." Files that are in the folder I made on my desktop are: HMCU0220.HEX HFPF0002.HEX TBOOT7.HEX HDSP0188.HEX DTBL0008.HEX HFWNOTES HAUX0188.HEX When I direct the utility to the file on my desktop and click, "Check versions Now" the activity log says the required firmware files are missing. I do not have the box checked that says "Copy new files into local folder." I will try creating a new folder somewhere else instead of on the desktop and start over. I tried using a new folder. NG. Will try again another day or wait till firmware is finalized and no longer beta version. Gene, W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions
You've unzipped the files as indicated in the beta instructions? The K3 Utility is expecting just the files you've listed in the firmware folder. 73 de Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:41 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions I am connected to the k3 via a usb to rs232 adapter purchased from Elecraft. Yes, the communication test works. A message window appears and says "K3 is running main program RS232 38400 bps." Files that are in the folder I made on my desktop are: HMCU0220.HEX HFPF0002.HEX TBOOT7.HEX HDSP0188.HEX DTBL0008.HEX HFWNOTES HAUX0188.HEX When I direct the utility to the file on my desktop and click, "Check versions Now" the activity log says the required firmware files are missing. I do not have the box checked that says "Copy new files into local folder." I will try creating a new folder somewhere else instead of on the desktop and start over. I tried using a new folder. NG. Will try again another day or wait till firmware is finalized and no longer beta version. Gene, W2BXR K3, 1188 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
