[Elecraft] signal strength

2008-11-14 Thread Brian Lloyd
There are really two problems here and they are not mutually exclusive  
so beating people up about how an s-meter should work is silly.


The idea that an s-unit is 6dB has been around only since Collins  
decreed it as such. Prior to that it was just an indication of AGC  
voltage at best. But the real definition of signal strength is a  
subjective one. The range (by ear) from S1 to S9 really spans only  
about 15dB-20dB of signal-to-noise ratio. By the time the signal is  
20dB out of the noise, it is S-9 by ear even though it only spans  
about 3 S-units from there down to where it disappears in the noise.  
So the s-unit as a measurement of absolute signal level is not all  
that useful.


The advent of DSP and SDR means that we can measure both signal  
strength and S:N very accurately even using a piece of amateur  
equipment, e.g. the K3. Personally I would rather dispense with S- 
units altogether and have a display of S:N and of absolute signal  
strength in dBm.


But that is the beauty of software: you don't need to change the  
hardware to add the feature.



Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 panadapter choices

2008-11-14 Thread Lance Collister

K7TV wrote:
 Researching my options for a K3 panadapter (Softrock, LP-PAN, SDR-IQ,
 Perseus, Mercury...) I want to thank Paul W9AC for sharing his experience
 with the SDR-IQ on the list:

 When observing signal strength on the display, there's ample resolution for 
signal comparisons.  SDR-IQ is powered from the PC's USB port, so only two 
connections are made (I.F. and USB).  SpectraVue supports the K3 and using the 
point 'n click feature has been great.  Click on the display and the K3 
instantly moves to that frequency.  The only shortcoming I've found is that 
SpectraVue needs to poll the K3's mode offset data so that changing modes does not 
require an offset change in SpectraVue.  Not sure if that's handled automatically 
when using LP-PAN and PowerSDR.


 I would be very interested to read similar detail about the other possible
 hardware and software choices. An overview table showing which spectrum
 analysis software packages work with which hardware choices would be very
 helpful.
 As long as a the hardware is used for spectrum display (not as a receiver to
 be listened to) it seems to me that hardware in the low to middle price
 range is good enough. The issue then is the software choice first and then
 finding hardware compatible with the software. When choosing software I
 would really like to know if there is any package available today that
 already adjusts for the mode offset, or is planned to do so in the near
 future. A wide and narrow spectrum display window may also be a positive
 feature in comparing one software package to another, especially if one is
 going to run other software at the same time.
 If one contemplates actually listening to the outboard SDR, it seems that
 more money does buy better performance, although probably none of the
 reasonable hardware choices will be as good in some contests as the second
 receiver option of the K3, which has roofing filters. On the other hand, it
 would hardly be practical for an assistant operator to reach the K3 controls
 to make use of the second receiver, while the computer controlling an
 outboard SDR could easily be used by an assistant operator. (Of course
 depending on the contest, this may or may not be legal for a given entry
 class.) Maybe the second RX in a K3 could be run from a computer while the
 rig is otherwise run from the front panel? Maybe two computers (one per
 operator) could be used to control the K3 with second RX. I don't have
 experience with the various rig control software available, so I hope
 someone can enlighten me.

 73,
 Erik K7TV

Hello Erik,

I have been using an SDR-IQ receiver here as strictly a waterfall display of the 
band.  I also have purchased an LP-PAN here, which I think will be nice because 
its center will move as the K3 is tuned.  The reason I don't have it working so 
far is because my setup here is kind of non-traditional, and they way I have my 
logging program connected to my K3 and sequencer doesn't seem to easily work with 
LP-PAN, and I can't get the PowerSDR software to run on my Vista 64 bit O/S :-(


On the other hand, the SDR-IQ works great with the Vista 64 computer.  I watch the 
spectrum with Linrad for Windows, which is most certainly NOT AT ALL user 
friendly, but is probably the most sensitive, flexible and powerful software 
program for use with the SDR-IQ.   I have not tried the SDR-IQ powered out of the 
K3 IF port yet, since I like being able to read the frequency off the screenif 
I change the dial on the K3 and use the IF out as input to the SDR-IQ, I would 
never be sure of the frequency of the signals shown on the Linrad waterfall.


I originally got the SDR-IQ 1.5 years ago to be able to use it as an indicator to 
watch for 6m band openings (I use it with a 6 to 10 m Hamtronics converter ahead 
of it), and for that it has been outstanding!  Of course, it has really powerful 
wide band IF noise blanking capabilities too, as well as a small window to adjust 
filtering on any individual station if you want to use it as a receiver.  More 
information on the Linrad for Windows is here:


 http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/usage/newco/newcomer.htm

GL and VY 73, Lance

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[Elecraft] Mouser part numbers

2008-11-14 Thread Jferg977
I can see that this question has been asked in the past, but appears not to  
have been answered.  Can Elecraft share, assuming it has one, its list of  
Mouser part numbers for the K2 and its options?  
 
I feel that Elecraft must lose money on parts orders which come its way,  and 
I would just as soon order from Mouser where I can add some other things to  
the order to hopefully make the order profitable for them.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread David Cutter
Unsolder the power pole from the rig and solder the power cable directly to 
the pcb, job done, no more problems.


David
G3UNA


I have a love-hate relationship with the PowerPole: I love the convenience 
(e.g., Rigrunner DC manifold); but I hate that the connector does not 
lock 'n mate as compared to those power connectors manufactured by MOLEX 
and AMP.  Locking the PowerPole requires some external means like a 
tie-wrap, or the special plastic bridge clip being sold by Anderson.


Paul, W9AC


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Re: [Elecraft] My Evaluation Of The K3 Carry Bag By Rose Kopp

2008-11-14 Thread David Yarnes
Perhaps I am expecting too much, but I rather suspect that a nice case like 
this one could actually be helpful in getting through security at an airport.  
With the nice logo and lettering that Rose puts on the case, it really gives 
more credibility to what's inside.  It just seems to me that something 
professional looking like this would reduce the angst the security folks 
might otherwise have.  Maybe it sounds like whitewash, but when they see a case 
that says Elecraft K3, and then open it up and sure enough, there's a K3 in 
there, that just might get you a faster pass!  These security people look at 
thousands of items each day, and most of the time they are probably looking for 
something hidden which is buried deep in a luggage item.  This, however, would 
be putting it right up front, with a name and everything.  But just to add  to 
your arsenal of arguments, in case they do question what it is, I would carry a 
recent copy of QST with one of those full page ads for the K3 inside.  That 
could be a clincher.

Dave W7AQK


  - Original Message - 
  From: BOB PHILBROOK 
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:27 PM
  Subject: [Elecraft] My Evaluation Of The K3 Carry Bag By Rose Kopp


  I always allow plenty of time before I make an evaluation of a product.  Most 
products look good and appear to be able to do the job.  It is only in the real 
word of use can one really find out if a product is quality or not.

  I have had my K3 carry case by Rose Kopp for 7 months and have used the heck 
out of it.  I have used it to carry my K3 through airport security, on 
airplanes as carry on luggage, to and from vacation sites, and to and from 
field day.  I can honestly say this is one rugged, well built carry case using 
quality components that does a beautiful job of protecting and transporting my 
K3.

  I ordered one optional add on side pocket in which I put my hand mike and PSK 
and power cables.  The big standard pocket is large enough to carry the K3 
operations manual along with other paper documents I might want.  

  So for users looking for a nice padded carry case for your K3, you should 
drop Rose a note and look at their products.  Quality and service are top notch 
-- something you expect from a K3 related product.

  Bob, K9PAG




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Re: [Elecraft] W1 Watt Meter

2008-11-14 Thread David Yarnes
Maybe you could consult with Cy, The LED Guy, about identifying some 
better ones.  I think the mod has merit, but I wouldn't know what exactly 
should be substituted.  Cy shows up at most of the QRP gatherings around the 
country (he comes all the way from Maine), even Pacificon!  I suspect he 
would have some good suggestions, and of course, he could probably sell you 
what you need.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Tom McCulloch' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] W1 Watt Meter



I made the mod, and it is a nice touch except for one minor problem for me,
the LED's are not as bright as the originals.


73,

Bill
K9YEQ
K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods

-Original Message-
Hi Tom ...

One change I made to my W1 that helps a lot from a usability point-of-view
is to replace some of the red LEDs in the SWR indicator with different
colors.  This is because the W1 is small and has even smaller lettering on
the SWR scale.  In my installation, and probably most others, it will be
located 2 to 5 feet away from the operator and the SWR value will be
difficult to read without getting right up close to the W1.

Here's what I did:  I used green LEDs in the 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 positions.
Yellow LEDs in the 1.5 and 1.7 positions.  An amber LED in the 2.0 
position
and left the red LEDs in the higher SWR positions.  This way you can tell 
at

a glance (and at a distance) the relative goodness of your SWR situation.

Suitable replacement LEDs are readily and inexpensively available from
Mouser, etc.  Here are the Mouser PNs:
Green 696-SSL-LX2573PGD
Yellow 696-SSL-LX2573YD
Amber 696-SSL-LX2573AD

 73
  ... Craig  AC0DS


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[Elecraft] K3, N1MM and SO2R/SO2V

2008-11-14 Thread Greg
Just wanted to let folks know that a few of us from the K3 FT group have
been working with John, K3CT with improvements to SO2R/SO2V support.

As Wayne makes the list of CAT commands grow to be able to make the K3 stand
up and do a jig, third party softare designers are able to leverage the new
abilities for improved control schemes.  Many of these new commands effect
how the K3 responds in SO2R/SO2V.  John has been doing a great job on
keeping up with the changes and using the new capabilites as they become
available.

SO2V on different modes is also still in progress as the FW continues to
undergo changes to make this happen.  This is a very intensive code update
as it impacts so many things.  So please be patient as this progresses.




73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA



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[Elecraft] K2/100 for sale in UK

2008-11-14 Thread Fraser Robertson

K2/100 #3764, updated to current/latest standard (built by
GU3MBS, October 2003).



With KSB2 SSB adapter  mic.

K160RX 160m/RX ant module

KAF2 Audio filter/clock

K2VCO shielding kit

PA screening kit

Finger dimple

Latest firmware (2.04)

Key click mod



In excellent condition, complete with original manuals, documentation
and packaging.  £650.Selling on behalf of radio club.73, Fraser G4BJM  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread Joe Spencer
I have several Crimper tools but do not really trust crimped power 
connectors so...I solder all my PowerPoles connectors. It is easy to 
do...they work everytime and never a crimp problem.


Joe KK5NA

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From: Paul Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major


I believe that if the PowerPole on the K3 was installed on a short 
length of

flexible wire we would not be reading about this problem as it would not
exist.

That would make a connector change-out very easy should the PowerPole 
contacts become damaged..


A while back, I had shifted the K3 cabinet while listening to a QSO and 
the PowerPole disconnected from the lateral movement.  It's mostly the 
lateral tension that creates the propensity for accidental disconnects. 
If I had moved the cabinet while transmitting at 100W, I suspect that I 
would need to have gone in and replaced the fused/welded pins.  Arguably, 
K3 owners shouldn't be moving the rig while operating!


I have a love-hate relationship with the PowerPole: I love the convenience 
(e.g., Rigrunner DC manifold); but I hate that the connector does not 
lock 'n mate as compared to those power connectors manufactured by MOLEX 
and AMP.  Locking the PowerPole requires some external means like a 
tie-wrap, or the special plastic bridge clip being sold by Anderson.


Ensuring a correct crimp is part of the solution, but not the whole 
solution.  I have a shop drawer full of professional ratcheting crimpers 
and prior to the recent purchase of the West Mountain crimper, I thought I 
was doing a good job.  But what was occurring with my existing crimper is 
that the contact tip was bending slightly out of alignment during the 
crimp process.  The West Mountain crimper locks the contact tip while 
crimping, thereby ensuring the pin remains straight with the barrel after 
crimping. Moreover, the West Mountain crimper ensures a completely 
concentric crimp. Had I not tried it myself, I would not have believe 
there could be that much of a difference between it and my other 
ratcheting crimpers.


Paul, W9AC







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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread Gary D Krause
What does being a Liberal Arts Major have to do with ham radio?  Are you 
implying that because you are a Liberal Arts Major, you are somehow less able 
to understand or comprehend than anyone else?  There are many of us with 
degrees in the arts that are also hams.  It's a hobby.  You have already 
proven yourself by acquiring a license.  Don't sell yourself short.  Sorry if 
I misinterpreted this but, that's the impression I got after reading the 
subject line.


Gary


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[Elecraft] Polar Bear Moon Light Madness on Nov 15th

2008-11-14 Thread Ron Polityka

Hello,

The November SS SSB contest is coming up on Nov.15th and the Polar Bears 
are making their monthly romp in the woods to operate their radios.


If you want to check out if everything is working ok on your station before 
the SS, try working a few of the Polar Bears out on the trail.


You can find the list of the Polar Bear that will be out on the trail at 
www.n3epa.org . Just click on the Polar Bear QRP Club link and you will find 
all the Polar Bear names, numbers and QTH. Then click on the 15 November 
2008 PBMME link to see who is going to be out on the trail with their QRP 
radios.


72,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
Polar Bear #1 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: dBV meter

2008-11-14 Thread S Sacco
The same could be said for an S-meter reading, no?




On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Jan Erik Holm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 S Sacco wrote:


 For testing, the K3 has the very excellent feature whereby it can
 measure the receive voltage.  That would be an FB way to compare
 signals.

  No it would not.The dBV meter is only useful on a constant and
 steady carrier.

 / Jim SM2EKM

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Re: [Elecraft] Mouser part numbers

2008-11-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

It is not a list of Mouser part numbers, but the parts list in the 
manuals contains the device designation numbers for all the active 
devices as well as the Elecraft part numbers.  Armed with that 
information, one can easily use the search line at DigiKey, Mouser, 
Newark, Allied, etc to find the part numbers used by that supplier.  In 
my experience, Digkey has more items in stock, so I go there first, then 
fill in anything not in-stock there from Mouser and others.
That is really an advantage since the Mouser and Digikey part numbers 
can change from time to time (as they have with the parts going to RoHS 
compliant) for the same or equivalent part.  The old part numbers may 
not be available, but by using the device numbers (i.e. LM358), one can 
order the parts even though if the supplier part numbers change (and you 
can pick your favorite manufacturer).


Homebrewers have been doing this for a long time, and those who have 
been so 'helpful' as to publish a list of supplier numbers (PC board and 
kit suppliers) are deluged with questions about substitutes when the 
supplier changes the part number.  It is the device  ID number that is 
important, not any particular supplier's number.


73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can see that this question has been asked in the past, but appears not to  
have been answered.  Can Elecraft share, assuming it has one, its list of  
Mouser part numbers for the K2 and its options?  
 
I feel that Elecraft must lose money on parts orders which come its way,  and 
I would just as soon order from Mouser where I can add some other things to  
the order to hopefully make the order profitable for them.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3, N1MM and SO2R/SO2V

2008-11-14 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:12:16 -0800, Greg wrote:

As Wayne makes the list of CAT commands grow to be able to make the K3 stand
up and do a jig, third party softare designers are able to leverage the new
abilities for improved control schemes.  Many of these new commands effect
how the K3 responds in SO2R/SO2V.

One of the most important improvements needed in N1MM (and in WriteLog) is in 
the sub-program that sends CW and puts it on DTR. As of now, it works fine in 
both progtrams with one serial port and one radio, but is unstable (and 
unusable) with two radios and two serial ports. This requires a major rewrite 
of the CW sending module, so it isn't trivial. Several months ago, I beta 
tested an attempt at this in N1MM (by N2IC, I think) that worked, sort of (it 
produced slow, choppy CW with my 1 GHz Thinkpad), but needs a PC of at least 
1.5 GHZ to be good. Tom, N1MM, chose not to release it, which was probably a 
good decision -- IF the work does not stop there. Think about it -- if this 
could be made to work, you've got a complete SO2R setup for CW with two K3s, a 
laptop with two serial ports and two serial cables! All you need to add is a 
headphone system to split between the two radios.  

73,

Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 AF Upgrade Kit (for speaker amplifier and LINE OUTs)

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

This information and a mod manual are now on our K3 Enhancements and
Applications note page. See:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_app_notes.htm

I apologize for the delay getting this posted! It should have been up
earlier.

From that page:

Line-Out KIO3 R19/R20 Change:
About Oct 7, 2008
About S/N 1900

Speaker Amp RFC47 Change:
About Sept 25, 2008
About S/N 1830

(Dates and serial numbers are approximate and may vary slightly.)

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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N6WG wrote:
 I would also like to know that please.
 73, Igor UA9CDC

 Wayne
 Can you tell us the serial number at which
 these changes were incorporated?
 We need to know who needs to order them
 and who does not.
 Thanks and 73
 Bob N6WG

 - Original Message - From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:40 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AF Upgrade Kit (for speaker amplifier and LINE
 OUTs)


 With minor circuit changes, both the K3's speaker amplifier and line
 outputs can provide lower IMD (intermodulation distortion) at higher
 signal levels. We've been testing these changes for a couple of
 months, and have already phased them into production.

 These changes can easily be made to existing K3s. A kit of parts is
 available (K3AFMDKT). All parts are leaded (not surface mount), and
 full instructions are provided. See:

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts

 Details
 ---

 SPEAKER AMP:  The mod kit includes a very low-resistance RF choke
 for use at RFC47 on the RF board. This improves speaker amplifier
 IMD by as much as 25 dB at moderate to high AF GAIN settings by
 reducing the voltage drop across RFC47 during signal peaks.

 LINE OUT:  The kit also includes smaller resistor values for R19 and
 R20 on the KIO3 module. At present R19 and R20 are about 600 ohms,
 while the replacements drop the resistance to around 50 ohms. The
 smaller resistors increase the available voltage swing at the output
 of the LINE OUT transformers, which improves IMD at higher signal
 levels.

 These two changes are independent. For example, if you never use
 LINE OUTs, you might want to do only the speaker amp modification.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR


wayne burdick wrote:
With minor circuit changes, both the K3's speaker amplifier and line 
outputs can provide lower IMD (intermodulation distortion) at higher 
signal levels. We've been testing these changes for a couple of 
months, and have already phased them into production.


These changes can easily be made to existing K3s. A kit of parts is 
available (K3AFMDKT). All parts are leaded (not surface mount), and 
full instructions are provided. See:


   http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts

Details
---

SPEAKER AMP:  The mod kit includes a very low-resistance RF choke for 
use at RFC47 on the RF board. This improves speaker amplifier IMD by 
as much as 25 dB at moderate to high AF GAIN settings by reducing the 
voltage drop across RFC47 during signal peaks.


LINE OUT:  The kit also includes smaller resistor values for R19 and 
R20 on the KIO3 module. At present R19 and R20 are about 600 ohms, 
while the replacements drop the resistance to around 50 ohms. The 
smaller resistors increase the available voltage swing at the output 
of the LINE OUT transformers, which improves IMD at higher signal levels.


These two changes are independent. For example, if you never use LINE 
OUTs, you might want to do only the speaker amp modification.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:56:31 -0700, Gary D Krause wrote:

 Are you 
implying that because you are a Liberal Arts Major, you are somehow less able 
to understand or comprehend than anyone else?  There are many of us with 
degrees in the arts that are also hams.  It's a hobby.  You have already 
proven yourself by acquiring a license.  Don't sell yourself short. 

YES. It's really a matter of putting in the time to STUDY and learn the 
technical side of the hobby. After all, that's what separates us from the 
CBers! 
The ARRL Handbook is carefully written to be accessible to folks without 
engineering education, but it DOES require study to learn it, just like it took 
study to get that Liberal Arts degree. I've also done a lot of tutorial writing 
with a similar focus, sharing what I've learned. 

As a non-technical elective in my EE program, I took courses in Music Theory, 
history, and writing. I've used all of them both in my work and for my 
pleasure. 
In the 44 years since I finished my BSEE, I've been studying and/or reading 
something almost every day. Everything from computers to photography to 
acoustics to radio propagation to economics to personal investing to running a 
business. That's life, and when we stop learning, it's time for someone to 
throw 
dirt on us. 

73,

Jim Brown K9YC



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[Elecraft] DSP1 firmware download failure

2008-11-14 Thread Todd Ruby
Can someone help me by telling me why when I tried to down load  
firmware update 2.46/1.92 all gets loaded fine except for the DSP1  
which failed to load after two attempts?


many tnx in advance




73
de
todd
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[Elecraft] K3 Af Mod kit

2008-11-14 Thread shwhafen
In the  nov. 14, 2008 enchancements and Application notes applicable to this 
new kit, it states That  The headphone output of the K3, which uses a separate 
amplifier, already has a very low distortion output and is not impacted by 
these changes,...Does this mean both the front panel and rear headphone 
outputs, or does it mean only  the front panel output?  I use the rear 
headphone output...I cannot answer this question by looking at the K3 block 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Af Mod kit

2008-11-14 Thread Lyle Johnson
In the  nov. 14, 2008 enchancements and Application notes applicable to 
this new kit, it states That  The headphone output of the K3, which 
uses a separate amplifier, already has a very low distortion output 
and is not impacted by these changes,...Does this mean both the front 
panel and rear headphone outputs,


Yes, both.

73,
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[Elecraft] DSP1 firmware download failure

2008-11-14 Thread Todd Ruby

QST all elecrafters;

disregard dire emergency request for help. Closed and reopened  
firmware utility and reloaded DSP firmware. rcvd QSL





73
de
todd
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Re: [Elecraft] Mouser part numbers

2008-11-14 Thread Mike S

At 02:22 PM 11/14/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...
I can see that this question has been asked in the past, but appears 
not to
have been answered.  Can Elecraft share, assuming it has one, its list 
of

Mouser part numbers for the K2 and its options?


Here's a few electromechanical parts:

Latching relays - Omron G6HU-2 5 volt
Potentiometers, 9mm snap in - Alpha 9mm (mouser 317-2080-5K, 
317-2090-5K)

Switches - E-switch TL1100F160Q, caps type SJ (Digikey)
Power plug - 2.1 x 5.5mm, Switchcraft S760
Headphone jack - Kobiconn 161-3503-EX

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[Elecraft] 2nd RX is deaf

2008-11-14 Thread Berni G0IDA

I have a few questions to people who have the 2nd RX option fitted.

My 2nd RX seems to be deaf, the difference between the two S meters is 
if the main RX is showing S9, the second will show S1-2.
I installed my 2nd RX about 3 weeks ago and due being busy I have not 
played around with it until today.
I have set everything up in the manual as prescribed, all filter 
settings are the same as in 1st RX as I have mirrored the filtering.


The difference in the volume looking at the volume knobs is about 90 
degrees, the 2nd RX volume knob being the one which is turned louder.


I can't think of anything off the top of my head which I have missed or 
which is obvious and I'm looking to you guys if you had a similar problem.


I use ANT 1 socket for the main RX and ANT 2 socket for the 2nd RX. I 
can share ANT 1 with 2nd RX. Using the sharing scheme the signals are 
significantly different as described S9  S1-2.
I have also swapped the antennas around and there has been no difference 
which eliminates the antenna switching unit.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Berni
G0IDA

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[Elecraft] K3 and PW-1

2008-11-14 Thread K4GM-George
This weekend I hope to hook up my PW-1 now that its back from Icom 
again.   Is there any real need to use a keying buffer between the two 
?  Based on the specs of the two units I would think a direct connection 
between the two would work fine.

K4GM- George
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[Elecraft] K3 S-meters, db and noise

2008-11-14 Thread Jeff Wandling W7BRS


I can't take it anymore, I'm putting a strip of electrical tape over the 
upper left patch of the LCD.   I can no longer bear to look.   Everyone 
gets S9!



-jeff


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[Elecraft] K3 and PW-1

2008-11-14 Thread Adam Farson
Hi George,

You should not need a keying buffer, as the PW1 keying line is low-level. 

The negative-going ALC fix must be installed in your K3, and the ALC
adjusted to level the PW1 output at 1 kW per the PW1 user manual.

Do not attempt to operate the PW1 without ALC, as otherwise severe damage to
the PW1 could result.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

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Re: [Elecraft] signal strength

2008-11-14 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Brian Lloyd-6 wrote:
 
 But that is the beauty of software: you don't need to change the  
 hardware to add the feature.
 
You don't even need to change the firmware. Just try a new program.

Folks who want to do comparative antenna tests should try WSPR by K1JT. It's
a beacon software that also measures the SNR of other beacons received and
reports them to a website (wsprnet.org.) Use it for a couple of hours and
then go to the website and you'll have a bunch of reception reports from
stations all over the world, with 1dB resolution, to compare with other
antennas or the reports given to other stations in your locality. Much more
useful than asking a QSO partner for an S meter reading if you ask me.

-
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http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack   http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham
Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] KRX3 Antenna Flexibility

2008-11-14 Thread Bill W4ZV

Reposting this since the Elecraft list on qth.net was down earlier:


Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
 I believe many are now receiving their KRX3s and are about to discover the
 amazing benefits of True Diversity with the K3.  As some of you know, I
 love to chase DX on 160 and will only say Diversity is something I will
 never be without.  I typically use a directional 3-el vertical array on
 transmit and a Beverage in the same direction on receive.  In Diversity
 mode, I use my TX antenna on Main and the Beverage on Sub.  Sometimes it's
 absolutely amazing to hear signals switching back and forth between ears
 in 1 second!  I'm sure these signals would exhibit extreme QSB if
 listening on one antenna by itself.
 
 Although the K3 has an effective switching system for most use, there's
 one situation which I've run across which needs an external solution. 
 This is the (somewhat unusual) case when a signal will be present on only
 one of the antennas being used in Diversity.  I found I wanted a quick way
 to switch out of Diversity, so that either the TX or RX antenna alone
 would be applied to both ears.  Otherwise I'm feeding extraneous noise
 with no signal to one of my ears.
 
 A simple solution to this is to use an external splitter for the Beverage
 input.  This should be a Magic-T splitter (not just a T-connector) which
 preserves impedance and isolation between the two receiver channels.  You
 can either build one yourself (using two ferrite cores and a resistor) or
 buy a commercial unit (Mini-Circuits ZSC-2-2 or DXE RSC-2 are both ~$50). 
 The Mini-Circuits unit is available in either 50-50 ohm or 75-75 ohm
 versions and the DXE is 75-75 only.  If you make it yourself, you can make
 one which will match a 75 ohm antenna to the 50 ohm RX inputs of the K3. 
 See W8JI's website for details to roll your own:
 
 http://www.w8ji.com/combiner_and_splitters.htm
 
 So how does this work?  I feed my Beverage to the splitter and then
 connect its two outputs to RX ANT and AUX RF.  When I want Diversity, I
 use my TX antenna (ANT1) on Main and the Beverage on AUX RF (the KRX3
 allows you to choose either the same antenna as Main or AUX RF).  Here are
 the two cases to switch from Diversity to either the TX array or RX
 antenna using a splitter.
 
 1.  When I want my Beverage on both ears, I simply tap RX ANT.  To go
 back to Diversity Mode, I tap RX ANT again.
 
 2.  When I want my TX array on both ears, I hold RX ANT which switches
 the KRX3 to the same antenna as Main.  When I want to return to Diversity,
 I hold RX ANT again.
 
 One tap or hold and you instantly can go out of (or back into) Diversity
 with either your TX or RX antenna in those rare cases when a weak signal
 may be on only one antenna.
 
 There's of course a ~3 dB loss when you use a splitter, but this isn't
 significant on the low bands since the external noise floor is so far
 above the noise floor of the K3 (...even if ATT is on).
 
 True Diversity in the K3 is a remarkable achievement compared to other
 rigs costing much more (neither the IC-7800 or Orion has True Diversity). 
 In my configuration, I have it in a rig which cost me ~$2.8k including 6
 filters (2 of which are unnecessary for non-contesters, i.e. a 1.8k and
 200).
 
 If you want to hear some recordings using Diversity, listen to EI6IZ's CW
 and SSB pileups here:
 
 http://ei6iz.com/  (Audio links at the bottom of his KRX3 article, and you
 really need stereo headphones for the full effect.  BTW, I never use
 anything but headphones for DXing or contesting.)
 
 73,  Bill  W4ZV
 
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 AF Upgrade Kit (for speaker amplifier and LINE OUTs)

2008-11-14 Thread ab2tc

Hi,

I am a little confused as to exactly what is affected by the choke mod (the
document only mentions speakers):

Internal speaker?
External speakers?
Front panel headphones?
Rear panel headphones?

I am asking because I use headphones 99% of the time (currently front
connected, but I am considering a move to the back) and because the russian
testers explicitly said they were using the front headphone outputs. 

Knut - AB2TC


Val-12 wrote:
 
 wayne burdick wrote:
 
 SPEAKER AMP:  The mod kit includes a very low-resistance RF choke for 
 use at RFC47
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 What is the value?   / SM2EKM
 
 Could this be homebrewed? Core, turns, wire?  /  LZ1VB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 panadapter choices

2008-11-14 Thread K7TV

Hi Dave,

The Perseus certainly seems impressive. As a second receiver it would cost only 
$151 more than the KRX3, if the latter is stuffed with all the filters I have 
now added to my K3. I will be very interested in your experience with it in the 
CQ WW CW. Please report the average and peak number of strength of the 
strongest signals at your location, across the whole HF spectrum, if that is 
practical. 

When you say click and go I assume the Perseus software is tuning the K3. Are 
you saying that *no* adjustment is needed to get the right pitch for SSB or CW? 

I have the kits for SoftRock Lite and the isolation amplifier sitting here, 
just waiting to be put together, so I will definitely give that a go first. I 
too don't much like the idea of getting an outboard soundcard, so if the 
soundcard is the weakest link (in desktop and/or laptop) I don't know if I will 
take that step or go to something not requiring a soundcard. There is no doubt 
that a receiver for the full HF range is worth more than just a panadapter. One 
slight count against the Perseus might be that it requires a power connection. 
Is it tolerant enough as to voltages to be run from either the typical home 
station 13.8V supply, or a car battery being discharged to 11 V or so?

73,
Erik K7TV
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  From: G4AON (via Nabble) 
  To: K7TV 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 panadapter choices


  Erik (and Julian) 

  I'm posting only on Nabble as the Mailman Reflector seems to be broken at my 
end today... 

  I was looking for a low cost panadapter for my K3 and kept finding issues, 
there was the IF leakage/spurious injection issue, low sensitivity when using 
the K3 IF out, my soundcard isn't good enough so I might need an outboard 
soundcard, will 192 KHz span be enough? And so I kept having doubts. A friend 
recently bought a Perseus that he found outperformed his TS480. The Perseus at 
that time covered an 800 KHz span and was a direct connection to USB2 and was 
available for next day delivery from a UK source... Span is now up to 1600 KHz. 

  Having a high specification panoramic receiver has been an eye opener for me, 
maybe next weekend the CQ WW CW contest will cause the Perseus to struggle 
compared to the K3 but we will see, it's certainly holding it's own so far. The 
screen resolution is good enough to click and go on pretty much all CW and 
SSB signals at 100 KHz resolution without needing fine tuning, wider spans 
usually need a tweak but this could easily improve if/when the screen display 
is increased in size from it's present 1024 pixels wide. 

  I don't connect my Perseus to the K3 IF, it connects in parallel via a 
ferrite splitter using the RX RF IN/OUT sockets on the KXV3. 

  For my money the Perseus makes a good 2nd receiver, certainly it compares 
favourably on cost against the K3 second receiver (with a 2.8 KHz and 400 Hz 
filter installed) when you include shipping and tax. 

  I haven't used any of the low cost alternatives, but the Perseus certainly 
impresses me. 

  73 Dave, G4AON 
  K3/100 #80 
  -- 

K7TV wrote:
Researching my options for a K3 panadapter (Softrock, LP-PAN, SDR-IQ, 
Perseus, Mercury...) I want to thank Paul W9AC for sharing his experience with 
the SDR-IQ on the list: 

When observing signal strength on the display, there's ample resolution 
for 
signal comparisons.  SDR-IQ is powered from the PC's USB port, so only two 
connections are made (I.F. and USB).  SpectraVue supports the K3 and using 
the point 'n click feature has been great.  Click on the display and the 
K3 instantly moves to that frequency.  The only shortcoming I've found is 
that SpectraVue needs to poll the K3's mode offset data so that changing 
modes does not require an offset change in SpectraVue.  Not sure if that's 
handled automatically when using LP-PAN and PowerSDR. 

I would be very interested to read similar detail about the other possible 
hardware and software choices. An overview table showing which spectrum 
analysis software packages work with which hardware choices would be very 
helpful. 

As long as a the hardware is used for spectrum display (not as a receiver 
to be listened to) it seems to me that hardware in the low to middle price 
range is good enough. The issue then is the software choice first and then 
finding hardware compatible with the software. When choosing software I would 
really like to know if there is any package available today that already 
adjusts for the mode offset, or is planned to do so in the near future. A wide 
and narrow spectrum display window may also be a positive feature in comparing 
one software package to another, especially if one is going to run other 
software at the same time. 

If one contemplates actually listening to the outboard SDR, it seems that 
more money does buy better performance, although probably none 

[Elecraft] [K3] KRX3 Antenna Flexibility

2008-11-14 Thread Bill W4ZV

I believe many are now receiving their KRX3s and are about to discover the
amazing benefits of True Diversity with the K3.  As some of you know, I love
to chase DX on 160 and will only say Diversity is something I will never be
without.  I typically use a directional 3-el vertical array on transmit and
a Beverage in the same direction on receive.  In Diversity mode, I use my TX
antenna on Main and the Beverage on Sub.  Sometimes it's absolutely amazing
to hear signals switching back and forth between ears in 1 second!  I'm
sure these signals would exhibit extreme QSB if listening on one antenna by
itself.

Although the K3 has an effective switching system for most use, there's one
situation which I've run across which needs an external solution.  This is
the (somewhat unusual) case when a signal will be present on only one of the
antennas being used in Diversity.  I found I wanted a quick way to switch
out of Diversity, so that either the TX or RX antenna alone would be applied
to both ears.  Otherwise I'm feeding extraneous noise with no signal to one
of my ears.

A simple solution to this is to use an external splitter for the Beverage
input.  This should be a Magic-T splitter (not just a T-connector) which
preserves impedance and isolation between the two receiver channels.  You
can either build one yourself (using two ferrite cores and a resistor) or
buy a commercial unit (Mini-Circuits ZSC-2-2 or DXE RSC-2 are both ~$50). 
The Mini-Circuits unit is available in either 50-50 ohm or 75-75 ohm
versions and the DXE is 75-75 only.  If you make it yourself, you can make
one which will match a 75 ohm antenna to the 50 ohm RX inputs of the K3. 
See W8JI's website for details to roll your own:

http://www.w8ji.com/combiner_and_splitters.htm

So how does this work?  I feed my Beverage to the splitter and then connect
its two outputs to RX ANT and AUX RF.  When I want Diversity, I use my TX
antenna (ANT1) on Main and the Beverage on AUX RF (the KRX3 allows you to
choose either the same antenna as Main or AUX RF).  Here are the two cases
to switch from Diversity to either the TX array or RX antenna using a
splitter.

1.  When I want my Beverage on both ears, I simply tap RX ANT.  To go back
to Diversity Mode, I tap RX ANT again.

2.  When I want my TX array on both ears, I hold RX ANT which switches the
KRX3 to the same antenna as Main.  When I want to return to Diversity, I
hold RX ANT again.

One tap or hold and you instantly can go out of (or back into) Diversity
with either your TX or RX antenna in those rare cases when a weak signal may
be on only one antenna.

There's of course a ~3 dB loss when you use a splitter, but this isn't
significant on the low bands since the external noise floor is so far above
the noise floor of the K3 (...even if ATT is on).

True Diversity in the K3 is a remarkable achievement compared to other rigs
costing much more (neither the IC-7800 or Orion has True Diversity).  In my
configuration, I have it in a rig which cost me ~$2.8k including 6 filters
(2 of which are unnecessary for non-contesters, i.e. a 1.8k and 200).

If you want to hear some recordings using Diversity, listen to EI6IZ's CW
and SSB pileups here:

http://ei6iz.com/  (Audio links at the bottom of his KRX3 article, and you
really need stereo headphones for the full effect.  BTW, I never use
anything but headphones for DXing or contesting.)

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 panadapter choices

2008-11-14 Thread Julian, G4ILO



K7TV wrote:
 
 Researching my options for a K3 panadapter (Softrock, LP-PAN, SDR-IQ,
 Perseus, Mercury...) I want to thank Paul W9AC for sharing his experience
 with the SDR-IQ on the list:
 
 ...
 
 I would be very interested to read similar detail about the other possible
 hardware and software choices. An overview table showing which spectrum
 analysis software packages work with which hardware choices would be very
 helpful.
 

I agree. I also wonder why a device that is basically only needed to display
a wiggly line showing band activity needs to cost as much as a budget
transceiver. An SDR is basically not a lot different from a direct
conversion receiver which QRPers habitually knock up in an hour or two using
parts from their junk box. The computer sound card and software does most of
the work. And for K3 panadapter use you don't even need a tunable
oscillator.

I would be interested in ideas in which ingenuity rather than wads of cash
are used to meet the requirement. The idea for a simple SDR by EA3GHS
described here
http://ea3ghs.googlepages.com/VERY-SIMPLE-SOFTWARE-DEFINED-DSB-RAD.doc looks
like a possible answer, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to adapt it to
this purpose. The author suggests it is a bit lacking in sensitivity and
that the oscillator signal could be radiated, both of which would presumably
solved by adding an amplifier stage to the input.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread Brian Lloyd


On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Joe Spencer wrote:

I have several Crimper tools but do not really trust crimped power  
connectors so...I solder all my PowerPoles connectors. It is easy to  
do...they work everytime and never a crimp problem.


Crimp-only connections last longer than do crimp-and-solder  
connections and are just as low resistance. When you solder the  
crimped connection the solder wicks up the wire and creates fatigue  
point where the wire will fail first.


Of course, that does presume you have the correct crimp tool and you  
are using the proper terminal for the size of wire.


(This information comes from having wired aircraft.)


Brian Lloyd
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 AF Upgrade Kit (for speaker amplifier and LINE OUTs)

2008-11-14 Thread Lyle Johnson

I am a little confused as to exactly what is affected by the choke mod (the
document only mentions speakers):


The document is accurate.

It means the speaker amplifier, which is used to drive the internal 
speaker and the external speaker jack. Not the headphones or LINE OUT, 
just the speakers.


There is a separate stereo amplifier which drives the headphones.  Front 
and rear headphone jacks are driven from the same headphone amplifier. 
These jacks are driven only by this amplifier.


There is a separate path not using the speaker amplifier or headphone 
amplifier that drives the LINE OUT, and only the LINE OUT.


73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 panadapter choices

2008-11-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

Eric,

The expensive soundcard is not required to use the K3 IF output 
effectively.  Yes, the better soundcards will allow you to display 192 
kHz of the band centered on the K3 frequency, but how often is that 
needed?  If you can answer rarely or never, then you can use one of 
the lesser capability soundcards to display 80 kHz or so.  The 
Soundblaster Live card is still available at a reasonable price and has 
a 24 bit ADC with a reasonable noise floor, so the dynamic range should 
be adequate.


The real answer depends on your wants and needs - if you want to display 
the maximum slice of the spectrum, then go with the best available, but 
if your budget must be minded, then there are other alternatives.


Actually, any soundcard will work - the question is just how much 
dynamic range will you have and how wide a swath of the spectrum will 
you be able to display.  You may want to look at the Softrock reflector 
(a Yahoo group) for additional information - but there are a lot of 
advocates there who strive for the best of the best.


73,
Don W3FPR

K7TV wrote:

I have the kits for SoftRock Lite and the isolation amplifier sitting here, 
just waiting to be put together, so I will definitely give that a go first. I 
too don't much like the idea of getting an outboard soundcard, so if the 
soundcard is the weakest link (in desktop and/or laptop) I don't know if I will 
take that step or go to something not requiring a soundcard. There is no doubt 
that a receiver for the full HF range is worth more than just a panadapter. One 
slight count against the Perseus might be that it requires a power connection. 
Is it tolerant enough as to voltages to be run from either the typical home 
station 13.8V supply, or a car battery being discharged to 11 V or so?

73,
Erik K7TV
  


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Re: [Elecraft] Questions from a Liberal Arts Major

2008-11-14 Thread Don Wilhelm

Brian,

What you say is true, a soldered connection used in a high vibration 
application will fail at the point where the solder has wicked up into 
the (stranded) wire.  This is an important consideration in aircraft and 
other mobile applications.


In ham home station applications where the wire is not subjected to 
severe vibration, a soldered connection is often more reliable than a 
crimped connection.  That is especially true if the crimping tool is not 
exactly the proper type for the connector in use.  A good crimping tool 
is a rather expensive tool - it must be matched to the connector and the 
wire to be crimped.  Inexpensive substitutes may work for a while, but 
will result in a connection that is more unreliable than a soldered 
connection.


The *real* answer is it all depends 

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Lloyd wrote:


On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Joe Spencer wrote:

I have several Crimper tools but do not really trust crimped power 
connectors so...I solder all my PowerPoles connectors. It is easy to 
do...they work everytime and never a crimp problem.


Crimp-only connections last longer than do crimp-and-solder 
connections and are just as low resistance. When you solder the 
crimped connection the solder wicks up the wire and creates fatigue 
point where the wire will fail first.


Of course, that does presume you have the correct crimp tool and you 
are using the proper terminal for the size of wire.


(This information comes from having wired aircraft.)


Brian Lloyd
Granite Bay Montessori School  9330 Sierra College Bl
brian AT gbmontessori DOT com  Roseville, CA 95661
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meters, db and noise

2008-11-14 Thread David Wilburn
I have to agree.  I understand everyone uses the radio in their own 
way.  But I have been a bit dumbfounded by the fascination with the 
S-meter.  I do not see where any S-meter readings are mentioned below...


R = READABILITY
1 -- Unreadable
2 -- Barely readable, occasional words distinguishable
3 -- Readable with considerable difficulty
4 -- Readable with practically no difficulty
5 -- Perfectly readable

S = SIGNAL STRENGTH
1 -- Faint signals, barely perceptible
2 -- Very weak signals
3 -- Weak signals
4 -- Fair signals
5 -- Fairly good signals
6 -- Good signals
7 -- Moderately strong signals
8 -- Strong signals
9 -- Extremely strong signals

T = TONE
1 -- Sixty cycle a.c. or less, very rough and broad
2 -- Very rough a.c. , very harsh and broad
3 -- Rough a.c. tone, rectified but not filtered
4 -- Rough note, some trace of filtering
5 -- Filtered rectified a.c. but strongly ripple-modulated
6 -- Filtered tone, definite trace of ripple modulation
7 -- Near pure tone, trace of ripple modulation
8 -- Near perfect tone, slight trace of modulation
9 -- Perfect tone, no trace of ripple or modulation of any kind

David Wilburn
NM4M
http://www.nm4m.com




Jeff Wandling W7BRS wrote:


I can't take it anymore, I'm putting a strip of electrical tape over the 
upper left patch of the LCD.   I can no longer bear to look.   Everyone 
gets S9!



-jeff


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and PW-1

2008-11-14 Thread Augie Hansen

K4GM-George wrote:
This weekend I hope to hook up my PW-1 now that its back from Icom 
again.   Is there any real need to use a keying buffer between the two 
?  Based on the specs of the two units I would think a direct 
connection between the two would work fine.


Direct connection is fine - no need for a buffer. That's how I have had 
my K3 and PW1 connected for the past 10 months.


Gus Hansen
KB0YH

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and PW-1

2008-11-14 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello George,

I don't think a key buffer is necessary.

73

Johnny VR2XMC


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 This weekend I hope to hook up my PW-1 now that its back
 from Icom again.   Is there any real need to use a keying
 buffer between the two ?  Based on the specs of the two
 units I would think a direct connection between the two
 would work fine.
 K4GM- George
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