Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread WA6L


Hi, Doug,

That is a tough one.  You might want to start (if you haven't already) with
the KX-1 FAQ at http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/kx1faq.htm   This also has a
section on KX-1 and K1 comparison.

I built a K1 and ended up selling it after getting my KX-1.  I do have to
say that I miss the K1, but for me the KX-1 was a better fit.  As others
have said, you need to determine what you are going to do with the radio and
go from there.

The big advantage to the KX-1 is its portability.  I have mine in a small
case with ear buds, two small spools of wire (my antenna) and the BNC to
binding post adapter.  I can throw this into any suitcase or backpack and
have a radio with me wherever I go.  

Once you get where you are going, you an be up and running in minutes.  The
built-in paddles mean that all you need is a place to sit.  No table
required.  I have modified the battery setup on my KX-1 to get 12VDC and 3.5
watts, so the difference in power between it and K1 is negligible.

What do I miss on the K1?   The primary thing is 15 meters.  I wish I could
get that on the KX-1, but I think I will build a MFJ Cub to cover that band.

At any rate, you will have fun building and operating the rig no matter
which way you go.  Good luck and enjoy your recovery!

73,

John, WA6L



Doug Person wrote:
 
 While I hang around the recovering from my back surgery and a nasty case 
 of pneumonia, I've run out of projects that require melting solder.  
 This  of course means its time to order another kit.  After spending 
 hours (I have lots of time) researching kits, I, naturally, arrived back 
 at Elecraft.com reading the QST reviews of the K1 and KX1.  I've built 
 them both before and it will certainly be a joy once again regardless of 
 which I choose.
 
 It seems I just can't operate cw with the K3.  Not that it isn't 
 fantastic - its just, well, too easy.  So another QRP radio is what I
 need.
 
 I just can't seem to decide between the KX1 and the K1. And, no, I can't 
 buy both.
 
 I did look at a few single band kits.  But then I start pinging and 
 ponging over 40 VS: 20.  I gotta have both.
 
 So, what? flip a coin? Have my wife choose?
 
 Dilemma.
 
 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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[Elecraft] For Sale: Black Widow Paddle (built) $50

2009-08-05 Thread Tom Campie
For sale is a Black Widow paddle built from a kit. It is finished in
clear coat but could use a refinish. It works great and has no
problems otherwise. Does not include cable.

Price is $50 + USPS shipping

Please send email to tom.campie AT gmail.com

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73
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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread Doug Person
John,

Thanks for your comments.  In general, it seems more people favor the 
KX-1. I was thinking more about building a kit than I was what I would 
ultimately use it for.  So being prodded by this question multiple 
times, I concluded that clearly the portability is an issue and that 
favors the KX-1.  So my order is placed and I now look forward to the 
arrival of yet another white box.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

WA6L wrote:
 Hi, Doug,

 That is a tough one.  You might want to start (if you haven't already) with
 the KX-1 FAQ at http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/kx1faq.htm   This also has a
 section on KX-1 and K1 comparison.

 I built a K1 and ended up selling it after getting my KX-1.  I do have to
 say that I miss the K1, but for me the KX-1 was a better fit.  As others
 have said, you need to determine what you are going to do with the radio and
 go from there.

 The big advantage to the KX-1 is its portability.  I have mine in a small
 case with ear buds, two small spools of wire (my antenna) and the BNC to
 binding post adapter.  I can throw this into any suitcase or backpack and
 have a radio with me wherever I go.  

 Once you get where you are going, you an be up and running in minutes.  The
 built-in paddles mean that all you need is a place to sit.  No table
 required.  I have modified the battery setup on my KX-1 to get 12VDC and 3.5
 watts, so the difference in power between it and K1 is negligible.

 What do I miss on the K1?   The primary thing is 15 meters.  I wish I could
 get that on the KX-1, but I think I will build a MFJ Cub to cover that band.

 At any rate, you will have fun building and operating the rig no matter
 which way you go.  Good luck and enjoy your recovery!

 73,

 John, WA6L



 Doug Person wrote:
   
 While I hang around the recovering from my back surgery and a nasty case 
 of pneumonia, I've run out of projects that require melting solder.  
 This  of course means its time to order another kit.  After spending 
 hours (I have lots of time) researching kits, I, naturally, arrived back 
 at Elecraft.com reading the QST reviews of the K1 and KX1.  I've built 
 them both before and it will certainly be a joy once again regardless of 
 which I choose.

 It seems I just can't operate cw with the K3.  Not that it isn't 
 fantastic - its just, well, too easy.  So another QRP radio is what I
 need.

 I just can't seem to decide between the KX1 and the K1. And, no, I can't 
 buy both.

 I did look at a few single band kits.  But then I start pinging and 
 ponging over 40 VS: 20.  I gotta have both.

 So, what? flip a coin? Have my wife choose?

 Dilemma.

 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread Rick Dettinger

 I just can't seem to decide between the KX1 and the K1. And, no, I  
 can't
 buy both.


 73, Doug -- K0DXV


The only advantage the KX1 has over the K1 is the small size and the  
ability to operate on the phone bands, cross mode, of course.  This  
allows checking into the phone nets  to pass traffic.  The K1 is a  
better rig in all other respects.  I built a K1, sold it to get a KX1  
and than sold that to get another K1.  For my needs, the K1 is a  
better rig.

73,

Rick Dettinger   K7MW
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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread Andrew Moore
 The only advantage the KX1 has over the K1 is the small size and the
 ability to operate on the phone bands, cross mode, of course

In my experience KX1 also has an edge in:

- speed of setup (time taken to get on the air)

- easy of battery operation  battery changes.

In a nutshell, KX1 saves space (obvious to most) and saves time (maybe not
as obvious)
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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread David Y.
Well, the decision seems to have been made, so this is probably too late to 
have much meaning.  However, I will add a few comments since I have both 
rigs.

The K1 is a very nice rig.  Until I had the 4 band version, however, I was 
disappointed in it's utility for my type of operating.  I had the 2nd band 
board, but changing it was way too much effort.  Now I am much happier.

The K1, reasonably loaded, runs over $500 now.  That's not cheap, but it is 
a very FB rig.  The KX-1 is about $100 less, which may be an incentive.

The KX-1 is much easier to pack, and I really like small rigs.  The KX-1 
fits in my computer case--the K1 does not.

My biggest complaint about the KX-1 is power output.  I've never been able 
to get much more than 2.5 watts from it, and that isn't on all bands.  I had 
lots of discussions with tech support about this, and not too much success 
getting it closer to the 4 watt advertised output.  I've also had my hands 
on a few others, and they seem to run around the same output.  The K1, on 
the other hand will do 6 to 8 watts--a big difference sometimes.

The KX-1 is now only available for two bands, or 4 bands.  The 4th band is 
80 meters, which I consider a poor choice for QRP.  The bigger problem 
usually is an antenna for that band.  My version is the older one with the 
30 meter module added.  That suffices for my needs.  The K1 will do 17 
meters (a good trade-off for 80 meters in my view).  I really like 17 
meters, and have had lots of good DX contacts there.

The KX-1 is a harder build.  If you are careful though, you should be fine. 
Something that small has to be a little cramped in a few places.

In a contest, like FD or something, you probably will wish you had a K1. 
The KX-1 contests too, but not nearly as comfortably.

Overall, I'd opt for the KX-1.  Notwithstanding the lower output, if 
conditions are reasonable you should still be O.K.  Don't plan on any long 
ragchews though!  This little rig is so clever, you can't help but be 
impressed with it each time you pull it out.  You can even do some BC band 
listening.  You need some good, sensitive earphones.  Audio is a little 
wimpy from the KX-1.

I'd also suggest not mounting batteries internally in either rig.  For one 
thing, it adds weight, but more importantly I actually find it less 
convenient.  A small, AA pack runs the KX-1 nicely, and for a fairly long 
period of time.  Having the batteries outside reduces risk of acid leaks 
too.  Yeah, I know!  You should remove them when not in use, but who doesn't 
forget sometimes?  The K1 needs a little bigger battery really  (since it 
runs more power), but a 2ah, or 4ah battery is sufficient, and can be packed 
easily outside the rig.  The overall weight is the same--just where you put 
it changes.

Both rigs have good points and bad points.  Some overlap.  How you plan to 
use it dictates.  The good news is that either rig is a winner.

Dave W7AQK




- Original Message - 
From: Rick Dettinger k7m...@gmail.com
To: Doug Person d...@northroutt.net
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide


 
 I just can't seem to decide between the KX1 and the K1. And, no, I
 can't
 buy both.


 73, Doug -- K0DXV


 The only advantage the KX1 has over the K1 is the small size and the
 ability to operate on the phone bands, cross mode, of course.  This
 allows checking into the phone nets  to pass traffic.  The K1 is a
 better rig in all other respects.  I built a K1, sold it to get a KX1
 and than sold that to get another K1.  For my needs, the K1 is a
 better rig.

 73,

 Rick Dettinger   K7MW
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 v. KX1 while recovering from surgery

2009-08-05 Thread Eric
I just built a K1 while recovering from gallbladder surgery.  For my money, if 
you are on painkillers the K1 is easier to build, though I stared at the LCD 
backlight instructions for about an hour before any understanding seeped in.  
Such is building on Vicodin.  The fiddly battery option is a plus since you 
want to draw out the building process as long as possible, like reading a good 
book.  I don't think I could have built my KX1 on Vicodin, I remember that 
build being a little more demanding.  

One other thing, you can build multiple filter boards, and if you are really 
crafty you can build an FL1-2 board, then change both bands and rebuild it!

Have fun whichever way you go

Eric WD6DBM

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise with KUSB

2009-08-05 Thread Mike Harris
Hi Svend,

I do not normally use the KUSB but I have just tried a simple 
experiment.  I measured the change in noise in the following 
conditions:

PR6 - ON
PRE - OFF
AGC - OFF
K3 - SSB mode, 2k7 BW
ANTENNA terminated with 50 ohm.

Nothing connected to KIO3:  +0dBV
K3  RS232 cable  PC communicating with K3:  +1dBV
K3  KUSB  PC communicating with K3:  +10dBV
K3  RS232 cable  KUSB  PC communicating with K3:  +0dBV

All readings +/-  0.1 to 0.2dBV

My RS232 cable home made to K9YC design using CAT6 UTP cable is 
approximately 3 metres long.

The presence of band noise naturally masks much of the PC noise 
but the increase in background noise level at this QTH when 
connecting the KUSB alone is still approximately +3dBV.  With band 
noise I do not detect any increase in noise due to the RS232 cable 
alone.  With the PR6 OFF and the K3 internal pre-amp on, noise 
from the KUSB is approximately +.3dBV.

It seems in my configuration PC noise is least with K3  RS232 
cable  KUSB  PC combination.  Interesting.

Maybe others would like to try and replicate this, perhaps using 
better test equipment than that built into the K3.

It might be worth testing to see if this reduction in KUSB noise 
can be achieved with a much shorter RS232 tail to the K9YC design 
or even an appropriately wired back to back RS232 gender changer. 
This set me thinking that it might be a good idea to make a short 
cable for the K2 I/O to enable use of the KUSB or a regular RS232 
cable without the danger of damage to the K2 I/O.

I have not had much opportunity to play with the PR6 due to lack 
of 6M activity here at present other than EME.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


- Original Message - 
From: Svend Spanget span...@privat.dk
To: Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise with KUSB


Hi Mike.

Thank you for answering!
I have the KUSB adapter from Elecraft. Do you suggest that I make 
a short
cable like you did between the K3 and the KUSB?
The noise is specially irritating on 6 m. I don't have a preamp 
yet, but
building one is on my to-do list. What is your experience with 
PR6?
After I discovered the source it has become clear to me, that the 
noise
is on all bands more or less
My old laptop has a serial port, but I went for the USB solution 
because
I plan to buy a new PC, which likely will only have USB ports.
It is not grounded though - I will see if there is possibility to 
ground
the PC.

Lots of 73's de Svend, OZ7UV

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[Elecraft] W2

2009-08-05 Thread NZ0T

Anyone heard anything on a ship date or manual download availability for the
W2?  When I ordered mine I was told they are hoping to ship sometime this
month.  

73, Bill NZ0T
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[Elecraft] Variable bandwidth crystal filter

2009-08-05 Thread jrgroeger
I seem to remember talk some time ago about a variable bandwidth crystal 
filter becoming available for the K3 at some stage. Anyone know the 
status of its development?

J R Groeger
DK3NG, G4XXW, EL0AA/MM

K1, K2, K3
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Re: [Elecraft] W2

2009-08-05 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:38:13 -0500 (CDT), NZ0T n...@cox.net wrote:


Anyone heard anything on a ship date or manual download availability for the
W2?  When I ordered mine I was told they are hoping to ship sometime this
month.  

73, Bill NZ0T

Nothing here.  I believe they said Mid August.

Tom, N5GE

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Re: [Elecraft] Steve KZ1X/4 - mag loop

2009-08-05 Thread dw
Hey Steve,
Thanks much for posting this!
Is your driving loop approximately 10% the diameter of the full size?
If I remember, that's how I did my loops.

Totally awesome to have a vacuum cap!!
Makes the whole design so much nicer.
I picked up a surplus motorized potentiometer to drive my cap and
controlled it with a PIC.
works real nice.

I've been keeping my eye out on ebay for a broken MJF mag-loop.
I'd like to rob the control box and cap assembly out of it.
I like the way they DC control through the coax with inductors.
I know I could build that myself...but all the stuff is already their in
their box :)
Lazy mans home brew!
tnx,
Duane
N1BBR
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[Elecraft] K3 and 6 meters

2009-08-05 Thread James Sarte
Noticed today that on 6m, the K3 will go from 8 watts directly to 13 watts
when switching over to the KPA3.  Bug?

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Re: [Elecraft] Noise with KUSB

2009-08-05 Thread Gary Hinson
 K3  KUSB  PC communicating with K3:  +10dBV
 K3  RS232 cable  KUSB  PC communicating with K3:  +0dBV

I wonder if physical proximity of the USB-serial adapter to the rear
of the K3 is the cause of the problem?  Maybe a magnetic coupling into
the RX??  I'm guessing.

73
Gary  ZL2iFB

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Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop antenna...off Elecraft topic

2009-08-05 Thread Stan Jacox
Hello Ron
Thank you for your comments.
I had little choice in antennas or stay off the air until the roof was
accessible since the walls are so thick, apartment so small and the metal
clad roof combine to render a wire antenna useless. Even on receive the wire
antenna has worked little better than a dummy load. 
The losses as you mention in the turner, either the T or L form is what I am
able to avoid by having a good match directly from the 50ohm unbalanced
feedline. I had used the MFJ tuner's watt meter alone in tuner-bypass mode.
I run the K2 with the KAT2 bypassed also. The match at resonance is 1:1 on
the loop, and the feedline is short, less than 15 feet.
I built a two gang piston capacitor yesterday using cooper pipe with Teflon
tape as a thin dielectric layer between the inner and outer pipes and the Q
improved quite a bit, and resulted in much narrower bandwidths.
On the air tests with a station about 20 miles away on 40 indicated a 1.5 S
unit difference in signal strength between the loop and indoor dipole
connected with the two halves of the 20meter dipole open wire balanced
feedline shorted together working against ground through the tuner. On 20,
with the dipole connected as a resonant conventionally balanced-line fed
dipole the signal was weaker for both but the other station reported 1 S
unit difference, both cases the loop was stronger. I was seeing his signal
stronger by about the same on the loop but the lower noise of the loop made
it seem much stronger. 
Using the piston caps the tuning covers from about 5.5mhz to 22Mhz, and no
additional fixed caps in parallel. I don't think I will bother trying to
push it down to 80m. My girlfriend's family as a dacha outside the city and
we are planning a party for our friends there next weekend so that will be a
good test of the loop, in the clear compared to a wire dipole suspended
between trees in the woods. I would expect the loop to lose that comparison
test. The antenna problems could be all moot if I move in with my GF if I
get way. Her apartment is in a taller building where she has access to the
roof with no other antennas installed. That way I could put up a shortened
yagi or quad on a short tower. Besides her apartment is beautifuljust as
she is;)

I am going back to California for a couple weeks at the end of this month
and will be able to bring back some parts or more test gear unless I blow
all my money on a K3 or new lenses for my camera. I need the lenses more
than a K3 since the K2 does all I really need, particularly if I add the DSP
filter. 

I like running the 10-14 watts of the K2 but I also have a TS50s here
running 100watts if more power is needed. The K2 has a better receiver and
has a lot more features so I only use the TS50s for its AM short wave
broadcast capability. I did try the 100 watts with the loop and the
capacitor did not arc or heat so if I got the 100watt upgrade kit for the K2
I would probably be safe.

Thanks for the comments
Stan


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From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:r...@cobi.biz] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:38 PM
To: 'Stan Jacox'; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loop antenna...off Elecraft topic

I'll certainly second David's, G3UNA, comments about using a wire for
transmitting. 

Loops can be very effective for receiving though, as you noted. Any decent
receiver (like the K2) has plenty of excess gain to make up for the losses
in the loop itself, and they do tend to pick up less noise. With a receiving
antenna, signal-to-noise ratio is everything while in a transmitting antenna
efficiency becomes very important. 

You'll likely see more articles about small transmitting loops during the
next sunspot peak when extreme low power will work the world and the very
poor efficiency of a small loop is not so apparent. 

If you have access to the attic space in your building you might consider a
single wire or doublet directly under the roofing material if it's not a
metal roof. You can fabricate open wire line with some nominal sized wire
and makeshift spacers. The spacing isn't important nor does it have to be
entirely consistent. Such feeders can pass through tiny holes in most
ceilings no larger than a small nail and which are easily patched when you
leave. A bit of spackle or even the apartment dweller's friend (tooth
paste) will plug the little holes when you're done.  

Depending upon the composition of those bricks (some clay has much more
metal ore in it than others), you may not see as much attenuation as you
expect if you're limited to a wire inside your unit. 

You wrote: 

A big plus is being able to match the antenna directly bypassing the
KAT2 for higher efficiency. My built-in K2 tuner is more efficient than my
MFJ tuner even though the MFJ has some usefulness for use with balanced
lines and built-in dummy load.

I wouldn't assume that is true unless you are talking about transmission
line losses between the loop and the K2. You don't mention 

Re: [Elecraft] W2

2009-08-05 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We're getting everything in for W2 manufacturing right now. If it all 
makes it here on time we should be shipping last week of this month or 
1st week of Sept.

Eric, WA6HHQ
Elecraft


Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:38:13 -0500 (CDT), NZ0T n...@cox.net wrote:

   
 Anyone heard anything on a ship date or manual download availability for the
 W2?  When I ordered mine I was told they are hoping to ship sometime this
 month.  

 73, Bill NZ0T
 

   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and 6 meters

2009-08-05 Thread W5CEM

Mine does that on ALL bands!  

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Re: [Elecraft] Magnetic Loops

2009-08-05 Thread Stan Jacox
Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread. 
I am quite happy that this kluge works as well as it does so never one to
leave well enough alone I went back to the plumbing shop and got them to
create 2 cooper pipe sections using the eq of 2in diameter tubing, each 12ft
in length. Through the language barrier we agreed that they would use their
tubing bender to bend each section into a 1/2 circle and swage one end so
the two seconds could be overlapped inserting one into the other for several
inches. They said I could pick them up tomorrow. I also got 2 90 degree
elbows to form the ends of a new set of piston caps. The sections are just
small enough to drag up the stairs to my living room and assemble once
inside my apartment. The new loop will have that one joint in the main loop
that has to be soldered with a torch. When assembled the 2 in diameter
tubing will form a loop that is 8 feet tall giving a few feet clearance in
the living room if mounted vertically. The resistive losses should be pretty
low for this new loop that should cover down to 80m but be optimum for 40m.
I'll try to find another Jennings Vac cap when I go back to California Aug
30. But if not the piston caps work fine. 
Years ago I built a loop that worked well in a large Jennings cap, the most
difficult part was the gear reduction mechanics.
I read the German language papers concerning magnet loops written in the 40s
when they were developed for submarine use so the whole concept of magnetic
antenna had intrigued me for years. 

Figuring out the tuning range is pretty simple using my Motorola service
monitor tracking generator and spectrum analyzer. 
I'll report back when I get it assembled tomorrow night.
Stan

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[Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)

2009-08-05 Thread James Sarte
I've sent an email over to Aptos hoping that they may know what's going on
with my K3.  A few days ago, I noticed that sometimes the amount of line-in
gain required for a digital signal from DM780 varied quite a bit.  Some
days, all it took was a level of 14 and I'd have about 6 bars of ALC.  On
others, gain had to be set to nearly 25.  Well, today it seems that my
line-in died all together or at the very least has become heavily
attenuated.  I now have to crank the line gain all the way up to 60 to get
about 3 bars ALC!!

I have checked, and no audio settings have been changed on my PC.  I even
plugged in a set of speakers to the line out jack on the PC and everything
is fine.  What is weird is that sometimes, fiddling around with the mic/line
input settings in the Main menu fixes things for a while, but then it's back
to almost zero input after a while.

Any suggestions?  Lyle seems to think it could be a bad solder.  I'm going
to let the rig cool off and see if the problem occurs while cold.  I've also
reloaded the current firmware twice, plus went back to 3.19 just to make
sure it wasn't a FW issue.

-- 
73 de James K2QI
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Re: [Elecraft] W2

2009-08-05 Thread NZ0T

Thanks Eris!  You man.


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 
 We're getting everything in for W2 manufacturing right now. If it all 
 makes it here on time we should be shipping last week of this month or 
 1st week of Sept.
 
 Eric, WA6HHQ
 Elecraft
 
 
 Radio Amateur N5GE wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:38:13 -0500 (CDT), NZ0T n...@cox.net wrote:

   
 Anyone heard anything on a ship date or manual download availability for
 the
 W2?  When I ordered mine I was told they are hoping to ship sometime
 this
 month.  

 73, Bill NZ0T
 

   
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Re: [Elecraft] W2

2009-08-05 Thread NZ0T

Make that Eric, I have no idea who Eris is. :wistle:

Thanks Eris!  You man.

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Re: [Elecraft] Variable bandwidth crystal filter

2009-08-05 Thread Chuck Guenther
J.R. Groeger wrote:

I seem to remember talk some time ago about a variable bandwidth 
crystal filter becoming available for the K3 at some stage. Anyone know 
the status of its development?

 With the upoming 10 Hz resolution DSP upgrade (Firmware 3.23 being 
talked about), I certainly wouldn't see much need for a variable BW 
roofing filter.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
K2, K3
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[Elecraft] FS: Black Widow Paddle $50 (update)

2009-08-05 Thread Tom Campie
Here is a picture I took of it today (the other one was from a year ago):

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1986/dsc04266e.jpg


Tom W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)

2009-08-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Check the RF chokes L4 and L5 on the KIO3 Audio IO board.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
 To: Elecraft
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
 I've sent an email over to Aptos hoping that they may know 
 what's going on with my K3.  A few days ago, I noticed that 
 sometimes the amount of line-in gain required for a digital 
 signal from DM780 varied quite a bit.  Some days, all it took 
 was a level of 14 and I'd have about 6 bars of ALC.  On 
 others, gain had to be set to nearly 25.  Well, today it 
 seems that my line-in died all together or at the very least 
 has become heavily attenuated.  I now have to crank the line 
 gain all the way up to 60 to get about 3 bars ALC!!
 
 I have checked, and no audio settings have been changed on my 
 PC.  I even plugged in a set of speakers to the line out jack 
 on the PC and everything is fine.  What is weird is that 
 sometimes, fiddling around with the mic/line input settings 
 in the Main menu fixes things for a while, but then it's back 
 to almost zero input after a while.
 
 Any suggestions?  Lyle seems to think it could be a bad 
 solder.  I'm going to let the rig cool off and see if the 
 problem occurs while cold.  I've also reloaded the current 
 firmware twice, plus went back to 3.19 just to make sure it 
 wasn't a FW issue.
 
 -- 
 73 de James K2QI 
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Re: [Elecraft] Variable bandwidth crystal filter

2009-08-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


  With the upoming 10 Hz resolution DSP upgrade (Firmware 3.23 being 
 talked about), I certainly wouldn't see much need for a variable BW 
 roofing filter.

10 Hz steps for DSP does not eliminate the need for a variable BW 
roofing filter.  It would certainly be nice to have something that 
went from narrow SSB to wide CW ... to fill the hole between 
2.7/2.8 and 500 HZ. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



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 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Guenther
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:51 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Cc: joachim.groe...@ewetel.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Variable bandwidth crystal filter
 
 
 J.R. Groeger wrote:
 
 I seem to remember talk some time ago about a variable bandwidth 
 crystal filter becoming available for the K3 at some stage. 
 Anyone know 
 the status of its development?
 
  With the upoming 10 Hz resolution DSP upgrade (Firmware 3.23 being 
 talked about), I certainly wouldn't see much need for a variable BW 
 roofing filter.
 
 73,
 Chuck  NI0C
 K2, K3 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)

2009-08-05 Thread James Sarte
Chokes look fine but L4 and L5 aren't directly connected to line-in; they
seem to be connected to the microphone in though. I took the KIO3 apart and
traced the line-input circuit for continuity.  The whole board looks good
with no cold solder joints.

Anyway, I put everything back and voila... works like new.  In fact, even
better than before.  I only need to set the input gain to about 10 to get a
nice signal in from DM780 and registering about 5.5 to 6 bars ALC.

This leads me to think two things;

1.  Something was loose and my refitting the boards took care of it
2.  There's still a cold solder somewhere that gets affected by heat

I'll leave the rig on for a while and keep testing.  I'm keeping my fingers
crossed.

73 de James K2QI

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:


 Check the RF chokes L4 and L5 on the KIO3 Audio IO board.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV




  -Original Message-
  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
  To: Elecraft
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
  I've sent an email over to Aptos hoping that they may know
  what's going on with my K3.  A few days ago, I noticed that
  sometimes the amount of line-in gain required for a digital
  signal from DM780 varied quite a bit.  Some days, all it took
  was a level of 14 and I'd have about 6 bars of ALC.  On
  others, gain had to be set to nearly 25.  Well, today it
  seems that my line-in died all together or at the very least
  has become heavily attenuated.  I now have to crank the line
  gain all the way up to 60 to get about 3 bars ALC!!
 
  I have checked, and no audio settings have been changed on my
  PC.  I even plugged in a set of speakers to the line out jack
  on the PC and everything is fine.  What is weird is that
  sometimes, fiddling around with the mic/line input settings
  in the Main menu fixes things for a while, but then it's back
  to almost zero input after a while.
 
  Any suggestions?  Lyle seems to think it could be a bad
  solder.  I'm going to let the rig cool off and see if the
  problem occurs while cold.  I've also reloaded the current
  firmware twice, plus went back to 3.19 just to make sure it
  wasn't a FW issue.
 
  --
  73 de James K2QI
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)

2009-08-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Chokes look fine but L4 and L5 aren't directly connected to 
 line-in; they seem to be connected to the microphone in 
 though. 

According to the schematic, L4 and L5 are line in ... L6 and L7 
are rear panel mic in (L7 is removed in the RFI fix). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 




 -Original Message-
 From: James Sarte [mailto:k2qi@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:40 PM
 To: li...@subich.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
 Chokes look fine but L4 and L5 aren't directly connected to 
 line-in; they seem to be connected to the microphone in 
 though. I took the KIO3 apart and traced the line-input 
 circuit for continuity.  The whole board looks good with no 
 cold solder joints.  
 
 Anyway, I put everything back and voila... works like new.  
 In fact, even better than before.  I only need to set the 
 input gain to about 10 to get a nice signal in from DM780 and 
 registering about 5.5 to 6 bars ALC.  
 
 This leads me to think two things;
 
 1.  Something was loose and my refitting the boards took care 
 of it 2.  There's still a cold solder somewhere that gets 
 affected by heat
 
 I'll leave the rig on for a while and keep testing.  I'm 
 keeping my fingers crossed.
 
 73 de James K2QI
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV 
 li...@subich.com wrote:
 
 
 Check the RF chokes L4 and L5 on the KIO3 Audio IO board.
 
 73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
  To: Elecraft
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
  I've sent an email over to Aptos hoping that they may know what's 
  going on with my K3.  A few days ago, I noticed that sometimes the 
  amount of line-in gain required for a digital signal from 
 DM780 varied 
  quite a bit.  Some days, all it took was a level of 14 and I'd have 
  about 6 bars of ALC.  On others, gain had to be set to nearly 25.  
  Well, today it seems that my line-in died all together or 
 at the very 
  least has become heavily attenuated.  I now have to crank the line
  gain all the way up to 60 to get about 3 bars ALC!!
 
  I have checked, and no audio settings have been changed on 
 my PC.  I 
  even plugged in a set of speakers to the line out jack on 
 the PC and 
  everything is fine.  What is weird is that sometimes, 
 fiddling around 
  with the mic/line input settings in the Main menu fixes 
 things for a 
  while, but then it's back to almost zero input after a while.
 
  Any suggestions?  Lyle seems to think it could be a bad 
 solder.  I'm 
  going to let the rig cool off and see if the problem occurs while 
  cold.  I've also reloaded the current firmware twice, plus 
 went back 
  to 3.19 just to make sure it wasn't a FW issue.
 
  --
  73 de James K2QI
 



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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread Mike Morrow
Doug wrote:

I just can't seem to decide between the KX1 and the K1.

As far as RF performance only goes, the K1 is, IMHO, clearly superior.

(1)  The K1 uses an LC VFO that is cleaner than the direct digital synthesis 
frequency generation scheme of the KX1.  This reduces transmitter spurious 
output, and improves receiver performance because fewer spur frequencies are 
part of the local oscillator signal fed to the front-end mixer.  According to
reported measurements of the K1 with two-band board, it has better transmitter
spurious output specs than even the K2.  The low-pass filtering of the four-band
version is much better than the two-band version, so that's even better.

(2)  The K1 can be placed on any of the HF bands, though Elecraft currently 
sells parts for 80m through 15m only.  The KX1 DDS chip is clocked at its 
maximum rate of 50 MHz, which limits KX1 frequency coverage to around 20m and 
lower.  The 15m band is one of the best QRP bands when open.

(3)  The K1 IF uses a four-pole crystal filter, while the KX1 IF uses a 
three-pole
filter.

(4)  The K1's optional auto antenna tuner tunes a much wider range of 
impedances 
than that of the KX1.

(5)  Most find the continuous LC VFO tuning of the K1 to be more natural than 
the step-wise tuning of the DDS in the KX1.

(6)  The K1 has a noise blanker option, while the KX1 does not.

(7)  The K1 transmitter can produce up to seven watts of output power.  The KX1 
is about half that, if one is lucky.

(8)  The K1 case contains a speaker, the KX1 does not.  (The K1 has plenty of 
audio to drive it too.)

(9)  IMHO, the full-house K1 (with KNB1, KAT1, and four-band board) is easier
(less-tricky) to build than the full-house KX1 with all its options (40/20m with
80/30m option, KXAT1).

(10)  Personal preference...I like the front mounted controls of the K1 more 
than the top mounted controls of the KX1.

OTOH, the KX1 is clearly superior in terms of VFO stability. The DDS is about 
as 
stable as a crystal oscillator.  It is superior in its span of frequency 
coverage
within the limits of the DDS.  It can switch between USB and LSB due to
the frequency agility of the DDS as the local oscillator.  It has neat 
features like audio feedback to controls.  It is definitely smaller and lighter.

IMHO, the KX1 definitely has some positive features that the K1 doesn't have.
None of them, except VFO stability, are improvements in RF performance on the
ham CW bands.  Plus, the K1's LC VFO is amazingly stable.

But...if the K1 were not available, the KX1 would be my very next choice for a 
QRP rig.  It's a very fine and well-designed rig.  You really can't go wrong 
whatever
choice you make.

73,
Mike / KK5F 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)

2009-08-05 Thread James Sarte
That's true, and that's why I'm confused... continuity tests with L4 and L5
correlate to the rear panel microphone connector and not the line-in jack.

James K2QI

-Original Message-
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:li...@subich.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:27 PM
To: 'James Sarte'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)



 Chokes look fine but L4 and L5 aren't directly connected to 
 line-in; they seem to be connected to the microphone in 
 though. 

According to the schematic, L4 and L5 are line in ... L6 and L7 
are rear panel mic in (L7 is removed in the RFI fix). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 




 -Original Message-
 From: James Sarte [mailto:k2qi@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:40 PM
 To: li...@subich.com
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
 Chokes look fine but L4 and L5 aren't directly connected to 
 line-in; they seem to be connected to the microphone in 
 though. I took the KIO3 apart and traced the line-input 
 circuit for continuity.  The whole board looks good with no 
 cold solder joints.  
 
 Anyway, I put everything back and voila... works like new.  
 In fact, even better than before.  I only need to set the 
 input gain to about 10 to get a nice signal in from DM780 and 
 registering about 5.5 to 6 bars ALC.  
 
 This leads me to think two things;
 
 1.  Something was loose and my refitting the boards took care 
 of it 2.  There's still a cold solder somewhere that gets 
 affected by heat
 
 I'll leave the rig on for a while and keep testing.  I'm 
 keeping my fingers crossed.
 
 73 de James K2QI
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV 
 li...@subich.com wrote:
 
 
 Check the RF chokes L4 and L5 on the KIO3 Audio IO board.
 
 73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
  [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Sarte
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
  To: Elecraft
  Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Line-In dead (or heavily attenuated)
 
 
  I've sent an email over to Aptos hoping that they may know what's 
  going on with my K3.  A few days ago, I noticed that sometimes the 
  amount of line-in gain required for a digital signal from 
 DM780 varied 
  quite a bit.  Some days, all it took was a level of 14 and I'd have 
  about 6 bars of ALC.  On others, gain had to be set to nearly 25.  
  Well, today it seems that my line-in died all together or 
 at the very 
  least has become heavily attenuated.  I now have to crank the line
  gain all the way up to 60 to get about 3 bars ALC!!
 
  I have checked, and no audio settings have been changed on 
 my PC.  I 
  even plugged in a set of speakers to the line out jack on 
 the PC and 
  everything is fine.  What is weird is that sometimes, 
 fiddling around 
  with the mic/line input settings in the Main menu fixes 
 things for a 
  while, but then it's back to almost zero input after a while.
 
  Any suggestions?  Lyle seems to think it could be a bad 
 solder.  I'm 
  going to let the rig cool off and see if the problem occurs while 
  cold.  I've also reloaded the current firmware twice, plus 
 went back 
  to 3.19 just to make sure it wasn't a FW issue.
 
  --
  73 de James K2QI
 



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Re: [Elecraft] Dilemma: K1 or KX1 - I can't decide

2009-08-05 Thread John
The K1 looks like a radio and not like a high tech Etch A Sketch.

John
k7up
K1, 2 K2's, K3 
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Re: [Elecraft] C/O Brian (Web Administrator) K4

2009-08-05 Thread .k8dd.
James Sarte wrote:
 Well, to be honest there are still several features advertised that to this
 date still haven't been implemented.  For example:
 
 1. Synchronous AM detection
 2. Temperature controlled oscillator calibration
 
 Those are just two features missing that I can recall of the top of my head.
 

Also on the list from 4/3/08:

The NOTCH button.  The way it is now:
Tap it to turn on AutoNOTCH.
Tap it again and it goes to MANUAL NOTCH, but you can't
adjust it unless you then HOLD it.
Tap it again and it goes off.

HOLD it and it goes to MANUAL NOTCH and you can
  adjust the notch frequency.

Why not:
Tap NOTCH and AutoNOTCH comes on.
Tap it again and AutoNOTCH goes off.
Or
HOLD NOTCH and it goes to MANUAL NOTCH and you
can adjust the notch frequency.
Tap it and it goes off.

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