[Elecraft] K3 latest firmware

2009-08-13 Thread Barry Simpson
I have just loaded the latest firmware. 

 

The NR is certainly different and appears to be a big improvement although
at aggressive settings the audio output is very attenuated.

 

There is another effect which doesn't seem to have been published. That is
the maximum output that can be set by the power control is now 110 watts
instead of 120 watts.

 

Has anyone else noticed this or is it confined to my K3 ?

 

73

 

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 latest firmware

2009-08-13 Thread Stephen Prior
Barry,

The power dropped to 110W with the previous public beta I think, in the
interest of spectral purity as I recall.

73 Stephen G4SJP

K3 #980


On 13/08/2009 12:10, Barry Simpson vk...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 
 I have just loaded the latest firmware.
 
  
 
 The NR is certainly different and appears to be a big improvement although
 at aggressive settings the audio output is very attenuated.
 
  
 
 There is another effect which doesn't seem to have been published. That is
 the maximum output that can be set by the power control is now 110 watts
 instead of 120 watts.
 
  
 
 Has anyone else noticed this or is it confined to my K3 ?
 
  
 
 73
 
  
 
 Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
 
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[Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

2009-08-13 Thread David Pratt
I have just completed a full recalibration of Power and the new S-meter 
calibration with successful results. I am most impressive.

One query though...  Using the SG1 to generate a 1uV and 50uV signal 
source on 7040kHz, after calibration I find that the S-meter reads 
S9+5db with 50uV and S4 with 1uV.  This is with both the main RX and the 
Sub RX.  Is that what others find?

Also, Dick, would it be possible in a future utility release, to go 
straight to the Sub-RX calibration without having to do the Main RX 
first?

Many thanks for an excellent program.

73
-- 
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

2009-08-13 Thread chen dave
I don't think most of us need this function. Mine K3 S meter is good enough.
See the following table for my K3:
 uV S meter
 dBm(from) S meter dBm(to) 50 S9
 -77 S9 -72 25 S8
 -71 S9+5 -67 12 S7
 -66 S9+10 -63 6 S6
 -62 S9+15 -58 3 S5
 -57 S9+20 -55 2 S4
 -54 S9+25 -53 1 S3
 -52 S9+30 -48 0.9 S3
 -47 S9+35 -42 0.8 S3
 -44 S9+40 -41 0.7 S3
 -40 S9+45 -37 0.6 S2
 -36 S9+50 -34 0.5 S2
 -33 S9+55
 0.4 S2
 -32 S9+60
 0.3 S1



 0.2 S1



 0.15 S1



 0.1 S0






73 DE BA4RF/David

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.ukwrote:

 I have just completed a full recalibration of Power and the new S-meter
 calibration with successful results. I am most impressive.

 One query though...  Using the SG1 to generate a 1uV and 50uV signal
 source on 7040kHz, after calibration I find that the S-meter reads
 S9+5db with 50uV and S4 with 1uV.  This is with both the main RX and the
 Sub RX.  Is that what others find?

 Also, Dick, would it be possible in a future utility release, to go
 straight to the Sub-RX calibration without having to do the Main RX
 first?

 Many thanks for an excellent program.

 73
 --
 David G4DMP
 Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 latest firmware

2009-08-13 Thread K2QI
Barry, the power level was dropped to 110 some time ago.

Also, F3-4 and F4-4 are for instances of high signal ratio and noise; i.e.
strong S9+ signals with high noise levels.  It is still recommended to Use
F1 and F2 settings for the best results.

73 de James K2QI

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Barry Simpson vk...@optusnet.com.auwrote:

 I have just loaded the latest firmware.



 The NR is certainly different and appears to be a big improvement although
 at aggressive settings the audio output is very attenuated.



 There is another effect which doesn't seem to have been published. That is
 the maximum output that can be set by the power control is now 110 watts
 instead of 120 watts.



 Has anyone else noticed this or is it confined to my K3 ?



 73



 Barry Simpson  VK2BJ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

2009-08-13 Thread Lyle Johnson
 One query though...  Using the SG1 to generate a 1uV and 50uV signal 
 source on 7040kHz, after calibration I find that the S-meter reads 
 S9+5db with 50uV and S4 with 1uV.  This is with both the main RX and the 
 Sub RX.  Is that what others find?

This is not uncommon.  The calibration is currently the decision point, 
so reducing the signal 1 dB or less would move it down on the S Meter 
display.

 Also, Dick, would it be possible in a future utility release, to go 
 straight to the Sub-RX calibration without having to do the Main RX 
 first?

Just click Next and skip through the main calibration.  You don't have 
to do it.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] RF Calibrate

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Scott
I used the new RF Calibration feature of the K3 utility this morning.
I calibrated both main and sub receivers.

My S-meter now reads S9 at 50 uV with ATT on, PRE off. I am not sure if that
was the intended result or not. Since I normally operate this way it works
for me. I am not set up with S meter in normal mode, not absolute...

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
NAQCC 3535
K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311


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[Elecraft] To Wayne Eric!

2009-08-13 Thread JIM DAVIS
If this up  coming product is as GOOD as the K3 has been (ser.2406) then 
I'll stand in line to 
purchase ONEPRONTO!

Whoa Nellie!

Jim/nn6ee
**

Sent: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Panadapter Sneak Peek this Saturday

We'll have a P3 Panadapter (or two) with us this weekend at the Santa
Barbara hamfest. The firmware is still in development, but we'll have
working spectral and waterfall displays, etc.

The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6 wide
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing
angle.

Come check it out if you can. For information on the hamfest, see:

http://www.elecraft.com/hamfests/2009__arrl_sw_santa_barbara.htm

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] HD15 Y for splitting K3 ACC

2009-08-13 Thread Tony McClenny
Lyle,

I just ordered the brksd15hdmc DB15HD Slim Male Breakout Board as it reads
and appears to be exactly what I need to use for the K3 Aux connection for
FSK operation.  Thank you for posting the information.

- Tony, N3ME -

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 15:58 PM
To: Chuck - AE4CW
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HD15 Y for splitting K3 ACC

 Is anyone offering a breakout box for the K3 accessory connector? 

I use this one:

 URL:http://www.winfordeng.com/products/brk15hd.php 

and I see they now have this one:

 URL:http://www.winfordeng.com/products/brksd15hd.php 

No connection to this company, YMMV, ...

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Shift 0.1

2009-08-13 Thread drewko
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:12:29 -0500, Mike K5NU wrote:


Also when changing the shift settings, the radio goes to a narrower filter 
automatically as the change takes place.  I guess that is how it is supposed 
to be.


That won't bother me unless I end up having to frequently switch back
and forth between the 0.1 and 0.5 option in the Config menu. Regarding
that...

The SHIFT range is also reduced when the 10 Hz step is selected, which
means you probably will want to change between the 0.1 setting and the
0.5 setting depending on whether you are using a narrow or wide filter
width. 

Could this be made to be automatic? I.e., when wider filter widths are
chosen the 50 Hz step would be automatically selected; when narrow
filter widths are chosen the 10 Hz step would automatically come into
force. That would be a lot more convenient. (I am assuming nobody
needs, for example, a 10Hz SHIFT step when they are using a 2.5 KHz
WIDTH setting...)

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 FIRMWARE, Rev. 3.25: Improved NR, 10-Hz SHIFT steps, Received CW WPM display, VFO noise reduction, etc.

2009-08-13 Thread Paul - WW2PT



wayne burdick wrote:
 
 
 * 10-HZ PASSBAND SHIFT STEPS (EXPERIMENTAL):
 If CONFIG:PB CTRL is set to SHIFT=.01 for a given operating mode,
 the SHIFT control will provide .01 kHz (10 Hz) steps rather than the
 original .05 kHz (50 Hz). Especially useful with narrow filter  
 bandwidths.
 This feature is experimental and has some limitations at present:
 Applies to CW and DATA only; LOCUT/HICUT cannot be used when
 10-Hz SHIFT steps are in effect; WIDTH steps remain 50 Hz in all cases.
 Not compatible with spur removal function yet (CONFIG: SIG RMV);
 signals mapped out may reappear.
 
 

Thanks Wayne, 

This is a welcome feature for PSK31 ops, I often shift and narrow the
passband to center on a signal when conditions are poor or there are a lot
of strong signals on the waterfall. Having the 10 Hz resolution really
helps. But... (there's always a but, isn't there? ;-) )

When set to 10 Hz steps, the range of the passband shift range is greatly
reduced -- 1.28 to 1.72, as opposed to  0.40 to 2.20 when set to 50 Hz
steps. Hope this will be corrected in the final release version.

73,
Paul WW2PT


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Re: [Elecraft] W2 Watt Meter

2009-08-13 Thread NZ0T

I'm also anxious to see the manual.

N5GE wrote:
 
 How soon will we be able to download the W2 manual so we can see the
 back of the unit and read about how it will work.
 
 Tom, N5GE
 
 n...@n5ge.com
 K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6,
 XV144, XV432, KRC2,
 W1 and other small kits.
 http://www.n5ge.com
 http://www.swotrc.net
 
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[Elecraft] P3 Extra Space...

2009-08-13 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
...perhaps a 2 meter amp.


Best regards,
Dick - KA5KKT

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[Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Bill Miner

It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has 
even been put into production and released for sale 
 
 
The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6 wide
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing
angle.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ
 
 
 
THANKS Wayne and Eric.  That is just exactly what I was hoping for.  Sounds 
PERFECT.
 Can't wait to get one!
 
73,
Bill - K6WLM
KX1
K2
K3/100

 
 
The following is a quote from a recent eHam review:
 
Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer 
service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the squeaky 
wheels on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of owners who want a 
custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the company to change 
the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems as though the 
firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently. This is both good 
and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think that it is getting 
to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility of many of the 
improvements). It appears that many are to simply satisfy the vocal minority. 
I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as to what things might be 
changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that populate the reflector.



  
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread John
At 11:17 AM 13/08/09, you wrote:

It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 
before it has even been put into production and released for sale


I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has completed.

k7up 

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[Elecraft] PB=.01

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Scott
I also see and hear the emphasized low-frequency audio response when I
configure pass band shift to 10 Hz steps.

The audio actually sounds much fuller. In CW mode, filter set for 2.7 KHz
there is a clear audio roll off below 300 Hz. With Shift = .01 and filter
set for 2.7 KHz that roll off shoulder moves down to 50 Hz. The two lower
equalizer bands actually have control now.

Since the K3 can clearly process audio down to 50 Hz, can we have it
available in all modes? Those who don't want it can equalize it out.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
NAQCC 3535
K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread dave . wilburn
I understand the sentiment, but Elecraft does want to hear the good and the 
bad. This is what makes them different.

As they have aptly stated, they are big boys (no slight meant to lisa ans 
company) and they can take.

I look forward to a panadaptor in most any iteration. I haven't seen one since 
I worked on them on B52G/H's.

David Wilburn
NM4M 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:17:45 
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics



It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has 
even been put into production and released for sale 
 
 
The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6 wide
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing
angle.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ
 
 
 
THANKS Wayne and Eric.  That is just exactly what I was hoping for.  Sounds 
PERFECT.
 Can't wait to get one!
 
73,
Bill - K6WLM
KX1
K2
K3/100

 
 
The following is a quote from a recent eHam review:
 
Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer 
service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the squeaky 
wheels on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of owners who want a 
custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the company to change 
the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems as though the 
firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently. This is both good 
and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think that it is getting 
to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility of many of the 
improvements). It appears that many are to simply satisfy the vocal minority. 
I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as to what things might be 
changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that populate the reflector.



  
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[Elecraft] K3 monitor request

2009-08-13 Thread Ed Schuller
It is always interesting to see the new iterations of the K3 firmware. I 
imagine that the good news is that the designers continue to find areas of 
improvement. Obviously, there are some items that are of more interest to some 
than others. Some of the changes seem, at least to me, to be more esoteric than 
others. In fact, there are times when I get the impression that is part of the 
challenge to the designers - as in let's see if we can do this.

In any event, here is (again) a mundane and simple request - a menu item that 
turns the monitor on or off. This could then be assigned to a user programmable 
button. It would certainly make things more convenient when operating the 
radio. 

73,
Ed K6CTA

via iPhone


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Dave - AB7E


Just curious ... in your mind, how useful is criticism AFTER the 
form/fit/function has been completely finalized and the equipment is already in 
stock?  

In the absence of any other way to offer an input during the concept or 
development process (Elecraft doesn't appear to have a defined process for 
market research), it seems to me that feedback immediately after the 
preliminary announcement ... as Wayne stated, while there still might be an 
opportunity for modification ... would be more valuable to the company than 
having potential customers simply make an alternative choice later.

73,
Dave   AB7E




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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics


It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it has 
even been put into production and released for sale 
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Ken Alexander
Sad to say, but none of us has THAT long!   8-)

73 - Ken, VE3HLS


 I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has
 completed.
 
 k7up 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread James Sarte
Now that knob debate comment was funny.

On a more serious note, I'd have to agree with the critics.  The P3 isn't
worth my time unless it has an espresso maker built in along with a 2m
amplifier.

Oh, it also has to be able to give me a massage, take the kids to school,
pick up my dry cleaning, and wash the car.  And Wayne, if you're listening;
please make sure it has a Work/Career button somewhere on it, so that way
I can press it and it will go to the office for me.

73 de James K2QI

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.comwrote:

 Sad to say, but none of us has THAT long!   8-)

 73 - Ken, VE3HLS


  I agree, we should at least wait until the knob debate has
  completed.
 
  k7up

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Bill
Ditto on the comments. I have never had the pleasure of a Panadpter and look
forward to its release.

Bill K9yeq

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Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:11 PM
To: Bill Miner; elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

I understand the sentiment, but Elecraft does want to hear the good and the
bad. This is what makes them different.

As they have aptly stated, they are big boys (no slight meant to lisa ans
company) and they can take.

I look forward to a panadaptor in most any iteration. I haven't seen one
since I worked on them on B52G/H's.

David Wilburn
NM4M 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Bill Miner w...@yahoo.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:17:45 
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Critics



It is amazing to me how there can be so much criticism of the P3 before it
has even been put into production and released for sale 
 
 
The P3 is fully integrated with the K3, and stand-alone (no computer
needed). It's the same height and depth as the K3, and about 6 wide
-- plenty of extra room inside for a power supply, battery, or other
accessories. The display is fast and bright, with a very wide viewing
angle.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ
 
 
 
THANKS Wayne and Eric.  That is just exactly what I was hoping for.  Sounds
PERFECT.
 Can't wait to get one!
 
73,
Bill - K6WLM
KX1
K2
K3/100

 
 
The following is a quote from a recent eHam review:
 
Which brings me to another issue. While I commend Elecraft for its customer
service, it appears that the K3 is now being designed to satisfy the
squeaky wheels on the reflector. There seems to be a large number of
owners who want a custom radio, and will stop at nothing in order to get the
company to change the firmware so it suits their individual tastes. It seems
as though the firmware beta changes are arriving more and more frequently.
This is both good and bad. While it is nice to see the improvements, I think
that it is getting to be a little overwhelming (and wonder about the utility
of many of the improvements). It appears that many are to simply satisfy
the vocal minority. I'd rather see Elecraft survey its entire user base as
to what things might be changed, rather than the (highly) vocal few that
populate the reflector.



  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 FIRMWARE, Rev. 3.25: Improved NR, 10-Hz SHIFT steps, Received CW WPM display, VFO noise reduction, etc.

2009-08-13 Thread Brett Howard
Is there a way to determine if the software is properly detecting the
extreme signal RX protection wire other than injecting an extreme
signal and seeing if it turns off the preamp?

~Brett

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, wayne burdickn...@elecraft.com wrote:
 K3 beta-test firmware revision 3.25 (with DSP rev. 2.21) is now
 available. There are several new features and significant improvements
 in this revision; see release notes below.

 Please send problem reports to k3supp...@elecraft.com. Beta firmware
 load instructions can be found at

         http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 * * *

 MCU 3.25 / DSP 2.21, 8-11-2009

 New Features:

 * NOISE REDUCTION (NR) IMPROVEMENTS: Our new NR
 algorithm has less impact on signal strength, and should no
 longer make some weak signals “disappear” due to over-processing.
 We may fine-tune the algorithm in future releases, based on
 operator evaluation, but we’ve have good reports from early testers.

 * VFO TUNING NOISE REDUCTION: Some operators have reported
 hearing noise on 60, 10, or 6 meters when tuning the VFO under
 very quiet conditions. If you experience this, try the following:
 In the CONFIG:VCO MD menu entry, tap ‘1’ until you see “SPI 2”
 (the default is “SPI 1”). This alters the timing of data sent to the
 synthesizer, which in turn changes the spectrum of SPI-bus
 signal noise. It has no impact on performance. You will also need to
 add two resistors and two diodes to the bottom of the RF board
 (see application note on our K3 modifications web page).

 * AUTOMATIC RECEIVER FRONT END PROTECTION:  If the K3 is
 operated too close to high-power transmitters, it’s possible to damage
 some receiver components. While this rarely happens, we’ve taken
 steps to prevent it by sensing a high-current condition at the mixer
 post-amplifier (Q8/Q9) and automatically turning off the preamp and,
 if necessary, turning on the attenuator. You will need to add one
 jumper wire on the bottom of the RF board (see application note
 on our K3 modifications web page). If you don’t add the jumper,
 operation will be unchanged; firmware can sense whether or not
 you’ve installed the jumper.

 * 10-HZ PASSBAND SHIFT STEPS (EXPERIMENTAL):
 If CONFIG:PB CTRL is set to SHIFT=.01 for a given operating mode,
 the SHIFT control will provide .01 kHz (10 Hz) steps rather than the
 original .05 kHz (50 Hz). Especially useful with narrow filter
 bandwidths.
 This feature is experimental and has some limitations at present:
 Applies to CW and DATA only; LOCUT/HICUT cannot be used when
 10-Hz SHIFT steps are in effect; WIDTH steps remain 50 Hz in all cases.
 Not compatible with spur removal function yet (CONFIG: SIG RMV);
 signals mapped out may reappear.

 * CW SPEED DISPLAYED WITH DECODED CW TEXT: If the TEXT
 DEC switch parameter is set to WPM CHK (using VFO B), the speed of
 on-air CW signals will be shown, along with a small window of CW text.
 You might see “18w.  CQ…”, where “18w.” means 18 WPM. Both text
 decode and WPM display accuracy can be improved by using narrow
 filtering and by careful adjustment of the “THR” (threshold) parameter
 (set with VFO A when the TEXT DEC switch is pressed).

 * RF GAIN CALIBRATION: The K3’s hardware AGC circuitry can now be
 calibrated. This may improve both S-meter and RF GAIN control accuracy.
 To do RF GAIN calibration, use revision 1.2.7.24 or later of K3
 Utility (use the
 RF GAIN calibration function, under Configuration). This procedure
 calibrates
 both main and sub receivers. A signal source is required. Future
 firmware
 revisions will further improve accuracy, using the calibration data
 stored
 by this procedure.

 Misc. Improvements:

 * SK IS NO LONGER DISPLAYED IN RESPONSE TO NOISE
 DURING CW DECODE. Incorrect characters are now displayed as ‘*’.

 * 6 METER SCANNING NO LONGER PROHIBITED. Scanning is limited
 to the 6-m U.S. ham band (50-54). Exception: In some countries the K3
 won’t
 operate on 6 m at all.

 * TTY CENTER FREQ NOW DISPLAYED CORRECTLY: In FSK-D
 and AFSK-A modes, rotating SHIFT now shows the exact center
 pitch (when indicated by an asterisk). The four available center
 pitches are 1000, 1360, 1530, and 2210 Hz. Previously the pitch was
 rounded down to the nearest 50 Hz.

 For Software Developers:

 * RO COMMAND (RIT/XIT OFFSET READ/SET) ADDED. This
 command provides a more direct way to set up the RIT/XIT offset,
 as an alternative to “RU” and “RD”. Set/Response format:
 ROs; where s is +/-, and  is -.


 ---

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We have a -very- defined process for market research. :-) And part of 
that is the feedback we get from the reflector, pro and con. We also 
have a very defined method of prioritizing our regular K3 internal 
feature upgrades. We are not haphazardly responding to the loudest noise 
on the reflector ;-)

The P3 we are showing at Santa Barbara is our engineering prototype. Our 
intent is to get additional feedback on the design. While we will not be 
totally redesigning it (we've done a lot of prior market research) we do 
expect to incorporate some of the suggestions. Plus we have many 
unannounced P3 features and the feedback gives us a feel for what we 
should work on first.

Also, the P3 has fully upgradeable firmware through the same K3Utility 
process as the K3.

We ask that people do not criticize it as if it was 100% complete and 
shipping today. It certainly will evolve slightly as it gets to market. 
We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em 
coming. That's how we get the best products out there.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread David Wilburn
SWEET!!!

Can someone pass the kool-aid please?

I had assumed it was firmware upgradeable.  Thanks for the update. 
Look forward to the pics and more info.

Or just setup a webcam at the booth!

Dave Wilburn
NM4M

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 We have a -very- defined process for market research. :-) And part of 
 that is the feedback we get from the reflector, pro and con. We also 
 have a very defined method of prioritizing our regular K3 internal 
 feature upgrades. We are not haphazardly responding to the loudest noise 
 on the reflector ;-)
 
 The P3 we are showing at Santa Barbara is our engineering prototype. Our 
 intent is to get additional feedback on the design. While we will not be 
 totally redesigning it (we've done a lot of prior market research) we do 
 expect to incorporate some of the suggestions. Plus we have many 
 unannounced P3 features and the feedback gives us a feel for what we 
 should work on first.
 
 Also, the P3 has fully upgradeable firmware through the same K3Utility 
 process as the K3.
 
 We ask that people do not criticize it as if it was 100% complete and 
 shipping today. It certainly will evolve slightly as it gets to market. 
 We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em 
 coming. That's how we get the best products out there.
 
 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
 Elecraft
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Joe Planisky

On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:08 PM, David Wilburn wrote:

 Or just setup a webcam at the booth!

Ha! All you would see would be the backs of a bunch of heads and an  
ever expanding puddle of drool on the floor :-)

But seriously, I like that idea.

73
--
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Re: [Elecraft] RF Calibrate

2009-08-13 Thread Dick Dievendorff
You may want to consider performing the S-meter calibration procedure
described on page 51 of the owner's manual, which is distinct from the RF
Gain calibration procedure performed by the DSP firmware with an assist from
the K3 Utility.

Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Scott
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:33 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] RF Calibrate

I used the new RF Calibration feature of the K3 utility this morning.
I calibrated both main and sub receivers.

My S-meter now reads S9 at 50 uV with ATT on, PRE off. I am not sure if that
was the intended result or not. Since I normally operate this way it works
for me. I am not set up with S meter in normal mode, not absolute...

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
NAQCC 3535
K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

2009-08-13 Thread Dick Dievendorff
As Lyle has indicated, you may click next through the main receiver
calibration page without clicking its calibrate button and advanced to and
calibrate only the sub receiver. 

We're always torn in these dialogs between putting too much text on a page
and too little.

In general, if step A is REQUIRED before step B, I'll make it difficult to
do B without having first done A.  For example, if the K3 Utility required
main calibration before sub calibration, I would have disabled the calibrate
button on the sub receiver page.

I'll add something to K3 Utility Help, though...

Dick, K6KR
 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:07 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

I have just completed a full recalibration of Power and the new S-meter 
calibration with successful results. I am most impressive.

One query though...  Using the SG1 to generate a 1uV and 50uV signal 
source on 7040kHz, after calibration I find that the S-meter reads 
S9+5db with 50uV and S4 with 1uV.  This is with both the main RX and the 
Sub RX.  Is that what others find?

Also, Dick, would it be possible in a future utility release, to go 
straight to the Sub-RX calibration without having to do the Main RX 
first?

Many thanks for an excellent program.

73
-- 
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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Re: [Elecraft] RF Calibrate

2009-08-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I got the same result. 

Since I don't use the S-meter, the various other settings are probably still
at the defaults. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

I used the new RF Calibration feature of the K3 utility this morning.
I calibrated both main and sub receivers.

My S-meter now reads S9 at 50 uV with ATT on, PRE off. I am not sure if that
was the intended result or not. Since I normally operate this way it works
for me. I am not set up with S meter in normal mode, not absolute...

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
NAQCC 3535
K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311


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[Elecraft] K3 Assembly video - 7 minutes!

2009-08-13 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Maybe this is old news, but it's an amusing video.  I obviously spent way
too much time assembling mine.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfUMZcwtIyw

 

Dick, K6KR

 

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[Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops

2009-08-13 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Earlier this week, on our drive back from Nova Scotia, my wife and I
stopped by Battleship Cove in Massachusetts where I was entranced by
Radio Central on the USS Massachusetts.

They had a mock recording of CW going, mostly 5 letter word groups.
It was going around 16 wpm and I wondered if that was a typical speed
or not.  Some guy walked by who had something to do with the ship's
display and said that his friend from then could go the fastest in
the world...around 35 or even 40 wpm.  Well, some of us do that in
our sleep, so that couldn't be right.

What speed was typical for back then?

If you get the chance, stop by this exhibit (battleship, PT boats,
submarine, etc.). We had planned on an hour or so, but spend nearly 5
on just the USS Massachusetts.  I got some great shots of the rigs too
- can even see the crackle paint finish!

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q

PS:  http://www.battleshipcove.com/index.html
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops

2009-08-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Doug, KR2Q wrote:

Earlier this week, on our drive back from Nova Scotia, my wife and I
stopped by Battleship Cove in Massachusetts where I was entranced by
Radio Central on the USS Massachusetts.

They had a mock recording of CW going, mostly 5 letter word groups.
It was going around 16 wpm and I wondered if that was a typical speed
or not.  Some guy walked by who had something to do with the ship's
display and said that his friend from then could go the fastest in
the world...around 35 or even 40 wpm.  Well, some of us do that in
our sleep, so that couldn't be right.

What speed was typical for back then?



What was typical probably varied as much as the typical speed for Hams
today, but 15 to 20 WPM was a very common Morse speed in WWII and earlier
for both military and civilian communications. 

Some civilian services prohibited speeds faster than 18 WPM on the basis
that solid 18 WPM copy moved traffic much faster than 20 or 30 WPM with
fills required. 

In the military, I ran ARMY CW nets (in the 1950's) at 15 WPM. 

Both civilian and military organizations using CW had to accommodate a large
variety of operators of varying skills from fresh out of code school on
up, so it was folly to assume someone could whiz along at high speed. 

Places where that was not true included:

1) Two stations moving off frequency to pass traffic in a net. If the two
operators recognized each other (remember, very few used keyers - everyone
was on a manual key and many could recognize individual fists) they might
speed up to pass messages one-to-one.

2) Some services (I've been told) involved the same small number of
operators on a circuit who worked each other day after day after day. These
were often intelligence branches that maintained a very small and stable
staff. Some of the guys who worked those circuits say they got up well over
40 WPM regularly.

Ron AC7AC 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Assembly video - 7 minutes!

2009-08-13 Thread Vic K2VCO
Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 Maybe this is old news, but it's an amusing video.  I obviously spent way
 too much time assembling mine.
 
  
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfUMZcwtIyw

You must not have used those Scott Joplin CDs.
-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops

2009-08-13 Thread NG3V
When I first joined the navy in 1961 it was as a radioman (I got a
meritorious promotion out of boot camp because of my amateur license).  

We copied code on old CAP only manual (superfluous) typewriters we called
mills.  Anything much beyond 20 was a challenge to get right, and the 5
character groups were what we copied.  There was nothing intuitive about
them that we routinely use to copy in our heads.  And, since they were
encoded, they had to be letter perfect. 

I think 35 - 40 wpm of 5 letter groups, hand typed, is doable, and I suspect
a lot of operators could do that, but it would wear most radiomen out pretty
quickly.

Tom

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:58 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops

Earlier this week, on our drive back from Nova Scotia, my wife and I
stopped by Battleship Cove in Massachusetts where I was entranced by
Radio Central on the USS Massachusetts.

They had a mock recording of CW going, mostly 5 letter word groups.
It was going around 16 wpm and I wondered if that was a typical speed
or not.  Some guy walked by who had something to do with the ship's
display and said that his friend from then could go the fastest in
the world...around 35 or even 40 wpm.  Well, some of us do that in
our sleep, so that couldn't be right.

What speed was typical for back then?

If you get the chance, stop by this exhibit (battleship, PT boats,
submarine, etc.). We had planned on an hour or so, but spend nearly 5
on just the USS Massachusetts.  I got some great shots of the rigs too
- can even see the crackle paint finish!

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q

PS:  http://www.battleshipcove.com/index.html
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 latest firmware

2009-08-13 Thread Brett Howard
Actually it was published in the Firmware release notes...

 There is another effect which doesn't seem to have been published. That is
 the maximum output that can be set by the power control is now 110 watts
 instead of 120 watts.

 Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: New Utility: S-meter calibration

2009-08-13 Thread ab2tc

I am sometimes finding it will read 1 bar above what it should, which is what
you are seeing. But using the AT1 step attenuator, I find that it takes only
1 or 2 dB attenuation to bring the reading down one bar. This now one heck
of an accurate S meter. I now have within a couple of dB at the S3, S9 and
s9+40 calibration points that I can do without fiddling with the attenuator.

ab2tc - KNut

David Pratt-4 wrote:
 
 I have just completed a full recalibration of Power and the new S-meter 
 calibration with successful results. I am most impressive.
 
 One query though...  Using the SG1 to generate a 1uV and 50uV signal 
 source on 7040kHz, after calibration I find that the S-meter reads 
 S9+5db with 50uV and S4 with 1uV.  This is with both the main RX and the 
 Sub RX.  Is that what others find?
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Ed K1EP
At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em
coming. That's how we get the best products out there.

As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I 
can add my request.  Since none of the specs have been released, I 
don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but 
I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD 
display could be used.   

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Re: [Elecraft] PB=.01

2009-08-13 Thread Brett Howard
I was quietly excited to see that the bottom two band were actually
able to do something when in that mode.  Makes me think that maybe its
not the audio section but something in the firmware that is rolling
off the bottom end...  I'd really love to be able to get more of the
lower frequency to pass through and then deal with the levels that
we'd like via the EQ.  ATM the bottom two bands seem almost completely
ineffectual.  Perhaps I just need a wider than 2.8Khz filter to be
able to get down there...

I just installed 100uF caps into the headphone amp output so I'll not
have to worry about that next field day.  I've got 2 more of the cap
that fits right onto the pads if anyone is interested to pay for the
shipping on them...

~Brett

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Mike Scottm...@paxsen.com wrote:
 I also see and hear the emphasized low-frequency audio response when I
 configure pass band shift to 10 Hz steps.

 The audio actually sounds much fuller. In CW mode, filter set for 2.7 KHz
 there is a clear audio roll off below 300 Hz. With Shift = .01 and filter
 set for 2.7 KHz that roll off shoulder moves down to 50 Hz. The two lower
 equalizer bands actually have control now.

 Since the K3 can clearly process audio down to 50 Hz, can we have it
 available in all modes? Those who don't want it can equalize it out.

 Mike Scott - AE6WA
 Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
 NAQCC 3535
 K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311



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[Elecraft] P3

2009-08-13 Thread kw4a
Eric-

Would it be possible to get  a ballpark figure on cost?  That is going to 
have a great affect on whether people keep, sell, or buy Larry's LP-Pan.  No 
doubt this is a welcome addition to the K3 add-ons but would be nice to know if 
it's affordable to the masses !!!  Why does this info have to dribble out  
instead of an all inclusive announcement?  Not everyone lives in California.

Announcement---Dribble
Picture--Dribble
SpecificationsDribble
PriceDribble
Shipping Date---Dribble
Shipping Date---Dribble
Etc,


Larry
KW4A
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Re: [Elecraft] PB=.01

2009-08-13 Thread Paul Christensen
I was quietly excited to see that the bottom two band were actually
able to do something when in that mode.  Makes me think that maybe its
not the audio section but something in the firmware that is rolling
off the bottom end...

That's my bet.  Schematically, there's no reason why the first Rx EQ band 
should have been ineffective until now when using a minimum of 100uF caps at 
the H/P output.

Paul, W9AC 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread John Frerichs
...with a resolution of  at least 1680x1050 and ~60 Hz refresh rate, too, 
please?

Thanks!

From: Ed K1EP k1ep.l...@gmail.com

At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em
coming. That's how we get the best products out there.

As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I 
can add my request.  Since none of the specs have been released, I 
don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but 
I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD 
display could be used.  

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

2009-08-13 Thread Brett Howard
I am interested in this...  Is it possible perhaps after this weekend that
Elecraft can share the resolution of the display that has been chosen?

~Brett

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Frerichs
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:39 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Critics

...with a resolution of  at least 1680x1050 and ~60 Hz refresh rate, too,
please?

Thanks!

From: Ed K1EP k1ep.l...@gmail.com

At 8/13/2009 03:00 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

We -are- looking for constructive and realistic suggestions. Keep 'em
coming. That's how we get the best products out there.

As long as everyone is evaluating a product they haven't seen yet, I 
can add my request.  Since none of the specs have been released, I 
don't know if one feature I would like to see is in there or not, but 
I would like to see a video out (VGA, etc.) so that a large LCD 
display could be used.  

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[Elecraft] Firmware v. 3.25 Download

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Morris
I forgot to download the 1.2.8.10 K3 Utility before I downloaded v.3.25.  I 
downloaded v.3.25 using 1.2.3.18 K3 Utility.  The new firmware downloaded 
without a hitch.  I have since downloaded K3 Utility 1.2.8.10 and successfully 
ran the date and time update.  Does my K3 have all of v.3.25 or should I rerun 
the download?  Roy Morris  W4WFB
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[Elecraft] utilitie for logging and fast retreaval of qso?

2009-08-13 Thread dw
Hi Gang,
Is there a software product that can detect my external cw keyer, and
read my cw while I'm keying the call-sign of a ham in a qso?
And then if it finds a previous qso logging based on that call-sign,
pull up that info?

My computer doesn't have a sound card input so it would need to be some
form of external USB-to-CW interface.

Thanks
Duane
N1BBR


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[Elecraft] NR in v3.25

2009-08-13 Thread jack jackson
The NR has been greatly improved in the latest FW V3.25!  I can
actually USE this feature now.  Thanks Lyle, your work is greatly
appreciated!  73's de W4EFZ
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[Elecraft] LP100A Plot

2009-08-13 Thread Brett Howard
So I'm sure I'm doing something simple and stupid here but I can't
figure it out at the moment.  I'm using LP100A-Plot and I'm having
issues getting the rig to TX.  I've used both Kenwood mode and K2 mode
and Kenwood mode seems to put the rig into TX but no smoke goes out the
line...  Its almost like when you forget to turn on VOX on some rigs...

I've also tried to do it VIA HRD and I get the same result.

I know that I'm talking to the LP100A just fine as I can see the data if
I TX manually...

I have used K3EZ and did the SWR plot in that program and all works just
like its supposed to so I know that rig control is all working like its
supposed to... What am I missing?

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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[Elecraft] K3 and SPE Expert 1K-FA linear

2009-08-13 Thread James Sarte
I've just read the review of this amp on QST and am intrigued; looks like a
real nice desktop kW amplifier that's small enough to be taken just about
anywhere.  Anyway, the reviewer mentioned that SPE sells a CAT cable for the
K3.  Does this cable also feature an RCA connector for the amp's ALC jack?
I'm just curious as I haven't been able to find a picture of the cable
itself.  Does anyone here own this amplifier?

 

73 de James K2QI

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops

2009-08-13 Thread David Y.
Doug and all,

Not sure what it might have been during WWII, but some years later the speed 
for radio communications in the Army was based on a required skill of 18 
wpm.  That was the intermediate speed radio operator.  There was a high 
speed category (MOS), but that was mostly for intercept work--not traffic 
handling.  The 18 wpm requirement was set, in large part, by the fact that 
hand keys were used.  Sending tended to get pretty sloppy at speeds higher 
than that, particularly from field operators.

Navy operators generally operated at speeds that were higher than that found 
in the Army.  Those guys had bugs long before the Army finally got wise to 
the benefits.

Nonetheless, many Army operators were pretty good at copying much higher 
than 18 wpm.  That's because much of their practice time was spent copying 
much faster code than 18 wpm.  They just couldn't send very well at higher 
speeds.

Dave W7AQK


- Original Message - 
From: DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL doug...@gmail.com
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CQ WWII naval radio ops


 Earlier this week, on our drive back from Nova Scotia, my wife and I
 stopped by Battleship Cove in Massachusetts where I was entranced by
 Radio Central on the USS Massachusetts.

 They had a mock recording of CW going, mostly 5 letter word groups.
 It was going around 16 wpm and I wondered if that was a typical speed
 or not.  Some guy walked by who had something to do with the ship's
 display and said that his friend from then could go the fastest in
 the world...around 35 or even 40 wpm.  Well, some of us do that in
 our sleep, so that couldn't be right.

 What speed was typical for back then?

 If you get the chance, stop by this exhibit (battleship, PT boats,
 submarine, etc.). We had planned on an hour or so, but spend nearly 5
 on just the USS Massachusetts.  I got some great shots of the rigs too
 - can even see the crackle paint finish!

 Thanks,
 de Doug KR2Q

 PS:  http://www.battleshipcove.com/index.html
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware v. 3.25 Download

2009-08-13 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The older K3 Utility loaded your 3.25 firmware just fine. The newer K3
Utility version has some new functions (RF Gain calibration, setting K3
time), but the firmware loader wasn't changed.

Dick, K6KR


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Roy Morris
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware v. 3.25 Download

I forgot to download the 1.2.8.10 K3 Utility before I downloaded v.3.25.  I
downloaded v.3.25 using 1.2.3.18 K3 Utility.  The new firmware downloaded
without a hitch.  I have since downloaded K3 Utility 1.2.8.10 and
successfully ran the date and time update.  Does my K3 have all of v.3.25 or
should I rerun the download?  Roy Morris  W4WFB
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