Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (9-27-09)

2009-09-28 Thread Telegrapher

 I didn't hear any noise on 316 today with my beam pointed NW from here in AZ.  
Just a group of guys  who were operating there and they even mentioned  that 
the Elecraft net would be starting  shortly and that they wanted to be off the 
frequency by net start time.  Very nice of them but then again they were 
Canadians and they are known for their courtesy.  At least the ones i know.

Larry
W0OGH
K3 #763

  -- Original message from Jim Wiley jwi...@alaska.net: 
--


 
 
 The QRM on 14.316 is unlikely to go away, ever.  This is the 4th 
 harmonic of 3.579 MHz, the TV color burst frequency, and a popular 
 choice for oscillators in all sorts of consumer and office devices (not 
 necessarily TV  receivers).  This has been a problem on 20 meters for at 
 least 30 years that I know of, perhaps longer. Also, because many 
 devices that use this frequency derive it from a square-wave oscillator 
 (a couple of gates). the harmonics of these devices are often 
 prodigious.   Another considerations is that  because some designs need 
 to have this frequency only approximately correct, it  is no surprise to 
 find some units running up to a few hundred Hertz plus or minus from 
 3.579, and thus (after multiplication by harmonics) hams end up with a 
 broad band of QRM that can be 2 or 3 kHz from 14.316, or anywhere in 
 between. 
 
 
 Are all these sources illegal, and thus covered by part 15 rules?  
 Yes, they are.   This is part of what manufacturers certify on those 
 Part 15 labels you see on so many items of consumer electronics.  
 Technically, the owner of the device is at fault, and could be made to 
 cease and desist using the offending item.   However, then we have the 
 real world.  Identifying, finding and fixing what could be several dozen 
 such sources in your immediate vicinity can be and for practical 
 purposes is an unsurmountable problem.  The FCC literally cannot help 
 you here, as much as they might want to. They have neither the budget or 
 time to solve literally tens or even hundreds of millions (no 
 exaggeration here!) of these cases.   Pandora is well and truly out of 
 the box on this one. 
 
 
 I would respectfully suggest a permanent change of net frequency to 
 something less likely to have this problem.
 
 
 - Jim, KL7CC
 
 
 
 Phil and Christina wrote:
  We kept our frequency on 14.314 MHz again today to try to dodge some QRM
  that has been persistent on 14.316 for some people. 
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[Elecraft] KAF2?

2009-09-28 Thread William McFadden
Does anyone have a KAF2 audio filter module that's surplus to their needs?

Tnx, es 73

Eric

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[Elecraft] For Sale KXPD1 paddle with K2 Mounting Bracket Pelican Case

2009-09-28 Thread pkhjr

For sale KXPD1 paddle with the K2 mounting bracket, if bought from Elecraft
the two items run over $140.  Sell for $80 plus shipping.  

Also have Pelican Case setup for K1, $25 plus shipping from 75163.  

Feel free to call if you have any questions 903-778-2592 or email 
k...@yahoo.com

73 Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 FSK power transients

2009-09-28 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 I'm surprised I can see a difference between the two tones 
 through the flatter filter 8-pole filter. It's just enough 
 to see on the 200W scale of an old (pretty much uncalibrated) 
 Daiwa CN-520.

With the 8 pole filter I see 2 watts difference on the N8LP 
LP-100 wattmeter.  However, in AFSK A or DATA A modes for 
PSK I see as much as 15 watts (0.7 dB) difference (maximum 
to minimum) as the tone frequency varies from 200 Hz to 2800 
Hz in DATA A (FC=1500 Hz) or 1000 Hz to 3500 Hz in AFSK 
(FC=2210 Hz). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
   



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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:57 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 FSK power transients
 
 
 The roofing filter IS offset to put the RTTY tones (Data | 
 Pitch) in the center of the filter.
 
 Good to know. That's how I would have done it I were the designer. 
 I'm surprised I can see a difference between the two tones through 
 the flatter filter 8-pole filter. It's just enough to see on the 200W 
 scale of an old (pretty much uncalibrated) Daiwa CN-520.
 
 73...
 Randy, W8FN
 



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[Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread John Payne
N2DTS: I don't understand why some people like to limit other 
peoplesactivity, or choices.


Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:

§97.307 Emission standards.

(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, 
in accordance with good amateur practice.


(b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to the band or 
segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the 
necessary bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick interference to 
operations on adjacent frequencies.


It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, no spurs.  FCC 
can and will cite stations for violations.


73 de W4CWZ

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Re: [Elecraft] For Sale KXPD1 paddle with K2 Mounting Bracket Pelican Case

2009-09-28 Thread pkhjr



For sale KXPD1 paddle with the K2 mounting bracket, if bought from Elecraft
the two items run over $140.  Sell for $80 plus shipping.  

Also have Pelican Case setup for K1, $25 plus shipping from 75163.  

Feel free to call if you have any questions 903-778-2592 or email 
k...@yahoo.com

73 Paul

Forgot to mention the Pelican case is orange and model 1200

Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And the FCC regulations are vague, i.e. ...than necessary..., ...good
amateur practice..., ...adjacent frequencies...

None of these are quantifiable. What constitutes compliance is a matter of
personal opinion. 

Compare these requirements to those controlling emissions outside of the
amateur frequencies. There you will see specific numbers that can be
measured.

AFAIK that vagueness is intentional. For many Hams, the hobby is all about
experimenting, restoring and using various types of gear from antiques to
trying out new ideas on the latest rigs. The vague regulations provide room
for that. 

We'll always have those who abuse the system either carelessly or
intentionally. After all, Hams are humans too. 

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
N2DTS: I don't understand why some people like to limit other
peoplesactivity, or choices.

Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:

§97.307 Emission standards.

(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than
necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, in
accordance with good amateur practice.

(b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to the band or
segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the necessary
bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick interference to operations on
adjacent frequencies.

It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, no spurs.  FCC can
and will cite stations for violations.

73 de W4CWZ

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 FSK power transients

2009-09-28 Thread Phil NA4M

Dave -

I experience the same issue and Elecraft indicated that the FSK mark/space
power fluctuations are caused by the transmit filter's passband ripple and
where the transmit signal falls within the filter's passband.  I'm using the
standard 5 pole 2.7khz filter.  They indicated the 8 pole filter should be
flatter.

73 Phil NA4M


Dave Hachadorian wrote:
 
 I'm getting my K3's set up for the CQWW DX RTTY, and notice 
 that there is a significant variation in power output 
 whenever the FSK goes from mark to space or space to mark. 
 One of these K3's is driving a high gain tetrode amp, and 
 the amp's screen current is jumping all over the place. The 
 power transient is only at the time of transition. The 
 steady-state power of the mark and space are equal.
 
 I've complained about this before, but it seems to be even 
 worse now. I'm using FW rev 3.30.
 
 This amplitude modulation has got to be producing some 
 illegal sidebands.
 
 Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
 Yuma, AZ
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] [K3] K3 KY command and RTTY

2009-09-28 Thread Tom, DL2RUM

Hi,

I'm not quite sure if the following a bug under 3.30:
Mode is set to Data FSK D
When sending text to the TRX using the KY command, the text will be sent out
and after that the signal is idling (didles) a while before the K3 switchs
to RX. That's okay.
But when sending the next KY command during this idling time, the
transmission changes to an unmodulated carrier, without didles. It takes few
seconds before the next text will be send out.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 2-tone IMD test.

2009-09-28 Thread Alex Ponomarenko
Chuck,

the most significant modification - the IF-amplifier buffer and AF-amplifier
circuit.
The first mod helps to provide much smaller own noise level for K3 (10dB
down !!!),
and second mod takes more realistic sound.
We talks about it earlier in the thread:
 http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-June/111985.html
 The mods for 1-st and 2-nd mixer can be helpful only for multi-TX
high-power contest station.
In any event, all pictures of  these mods here:
http://ur5lam.jimdo.com/elecraft-k3-mod-s-page/
if you want to see the big photos, you find and download it here:
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137postdays=0postorder=ascstart=870
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137postdays=0postorder=ascstart=900

All of these mods are not difficult. But results is very nice.
My  K3 has much poor sound in A/B comparison with my small K2.
But now, I have the new Radio, really excellent receiver and beautiful sound
after mods.
I can hear the difference by my ear,  I can see the difference by my eyes on
the comparison plots.

FW last beta 3.30

73! GL!
Alex UR5LAM

2009/9/27 Chuck - AE4CW ae...@att.net


 Alex,

 Can you please be specific about which HW mods you installed?  Are they all
 published by Elecraft?  I don't recall any 1st and 2nd Mixer mods being
 published.  If not, can you please share them?

 Are the software mods in the current beta FW, i.e. 3.30?

 Thanks.

 Chuck, AE4CW



 Alexander Ponomarenko-5 wrote:
 
  Today we finished our K3 IMD-test in our home-laboratory. :)
  We has the nice results I think.
  Same improvements we have after modifications in hardware (mods for 1st
  and 2nd Mixer, IF-buffer and AF-amplifier).
  Same improvements we have after excellent software AGC-mods from Lyle
  Johnson.
  And here is the nice result in total.
 
  2-tone-IMD-Plot for K3/100F BEFORE mods:
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48688
  here we can see very dirty and nonlinear signal
 
  Plot for K3/100F AFTER hardware mods:
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48689
  more clean and linear signal
 
  Plot for K3/100F AFTER hardware mods AND new AGC:
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48677
  and nice result in total.
 
  GL! 73!
  Alex UR5LAM

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Howard
Hell if you wanna go that far I can hear and understand SSB as long as
things are lined up properly at 1.5Khz.  Its fairly common during field day
that I'll use 1.5 to 1.7 Khz.  Why are so many people wasting bandwidth
transmitting any wider than that?

One could also argue that ESSB is an emission type that requires that
additional bandwidth in order to move all the data.  AM uses a lot of
bandwidth to get the data across and that is a perfectly legal and allowed
emission type.  

Personally I don't do ESSB and don't even have the filters to do so.  But
using this set of rules to state that you shouldn't do ESSB is the same as
saying that no one should use SSB because they could carry out the
communications via CW in less bandwidth.  

~BTH

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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:15 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

N2DTS: I don't understand why some people like to limit other 
peoplesactivity, or choices.

Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:

§97.307 Emission standards.

(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, 
in accordance with good amateur practice.

(b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to the band or 
segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the 
necessary bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick interference to 
operations on adjacent frequencies.

It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, no spurs.  FCC 
can and will cite stations for violations.

73 de W4CWZ

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[Elecraft] K2 scratchy volume control

2009-09-28 Thread paul
I have a K2, serial 2592 that has recently developed a noisy volume 
control and turning the RF gain causes the AGC to jump.  Guessing the RF 
control is noisy also.

I disassembled the K2 thinking I could spray a cleaner in the controls - 
but there are no openings in the pots.  So these pots need to be replaced 
- what do you recommend?

Note: I did the volume control mod several years so that doesn't need to 
be done.

Thanks,

Paul
AD5IW
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[Elecraft] K3 hum problem - not the usual?

2009-09-28 Thread Brian Machesney
After enjoying my K3 for about nine months, I was recently alerted to
audible 60-Hz hum on my transmitted audio signal. After reading the many
hum related posts on the reflector, I began investigating. Step 1 was to
remove all connections to the rig except the DC power and the coax to the
external PA (I placed a direct short on the keying line input at the PA).
Without a mic connected, the indication of the problem is that the PA
registers output power with no audio input. The problem only occurs in an
SSB mode when the nearby PA is both on and enabled (i.e., not on standby)
and when the K3 is both within about 8-in of the PA and parallel or at right
angles to it; rotating the rig about 15 degrees around the z-axis eliminated
the hum. All in the usual vein, so far.

There are several aspects of this problem that I find hard to understand:

- With all conditions apparently constant, the problem is at least somewhat
intermittent and will build up to full output over about a 3 second period
when it does occur
- When hum is being produced, the K3 output power meter reads zero while
the external PA is putting out something near full power! (Ordinarily, it
takes 20 watts of output power from the K3 to drive the external to this
power level)
- Lowering the output power setting on the K3 reduces the amount of hum
power registering on the PA output power meter; there is a marked reduction
in hum power when I pass the K3's internal PA power threshold and the hum
power goes to zero when the K3 power output is set to zero
- There is hysteresis in the output power registered by the external PA vs.
the output power setting on the K3; i.e., starting with K3 output power set
to zero, the K3 output power setting which produces the onset of hum power
as shown by the external PA is a larger value than the K3 output power
setting at which the external PA hum power decreases / disappears.

I am space challenged inasmuch as I have an SO2R setup, so moving the K3
will be difficult. Any thoughts on what's going on?

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread David Gilbert

Brett, reread part (a) of the FCC rules below.  The maximum bandwidth 
requirement is applied to each individual emission type (mode).  The FCC 
acknowledges the right to use voice modes like SSB and even AM ... it 
just says you shouldn't abuse the bandwidth when you do so.

Dave   AB7E


Brett Howard wrote:
 But using this set of rules to state that you shouldn't do ESSB is the same as
 saying that no one should use SSB because they could carry out the
 communications via CW in less bandwidth.  

 ~BTH



 Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:

 §97.307 Emission standards.

 (a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
 necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, 
 in accordance with good amateur practice.

 (b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to the band or 
 segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the 
 necessary bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick interference to 
 operations on adjacent frequencies.

 It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, no spurs.  FCC 
 can and will cite stations for violations.

 73 de W4CWZ

   
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[Elecraft] Need K3 firmware testers (extended AF bass, live memory recall, flat data-mode EQ, etc.)

2009-09-28 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

We're getting very close to a long-awaited K3 beta firmware release.  
Since the changes are extensive, we'd like to send the code to a new  
group of pre-testers in addition to our usual field-test group.

Please read the release notes below. If you're interested, and can  
start testing right away, send me a direct email (n6kr at elecraft dot  
com) and I'll send you the latest firmware. I'll also include a link  
to the associated new release of K3 Utility, which is required to  
complete the RF GAIN Calibration procedure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

MCU 3.37 / DSP 2.36, 9-25-2009

* NO RX EQ OR TX EQ IN DATA MODES. (That is, the response is flat.)

* LIVE MEMORY RECALL (MV):  If you tap MV, then start rotating
VFO A to select a memory channel, the K3 will now switch to the
band/mode specified in each memory. Exit memory recall by tapping
MV a second time.

* VFO COARSE STEP ROUNDING: Tap '1' in the VFO CRS menu entry
to select RND=NO or YES. (Default for new K3s will be YES.) If YES,
the VFO frequency will be rounded up/down when COARSE tuning
is in effect. Coarse step size is selected using this same menu entry.
Note: The RIT/XIT control can be used to move the VFO in coarse
steps whenever RIT and XIT are both turned off. To disable this feature,
set CONFIG:VFO OFS to OFF.

* RF GAIN CALIBRATION PROCEDURE UPDATED:  Changes to
both K3 Utility and the DSP code are now in place to make RF GAIN
calibration work smoothly. Main/Sub S-meter discrepancy also
eliminated. All K3 owners are encouraged to run the RF GAIN cal
procedure on both main and sub receivers. (Requires 50 uV signal
source, such as an Elecraft XG1 or XG2.) Please use the latest rev of
K3 Utility.

* IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in
AM, SSB and CW modes. (For best results, use headphones or external
speakers with extended bass.) NORMalizing the DSP passband still
sets the low-frequency bound to about 100 Hz in SSB modes.
But by using SHIFT, WIDTH or LO CUT, you can extend the audio
response to around 50 Hz. User-configurable NORM1 and NORM2
settings, or presets I/II, can then be used to store desired values
(per-mode). The two lowest MAIN:RX EQ ranges (50 and 100 Hz)
can be used to further enhance bass.

* SUB RX NOISE BLANKER NOW FULLY INDEPENDENT OF MAIN:
This includes the on/off state and NB LEVEL settings. Note: Set
CONFIG:NB SAVE to YES if you wish to keep the noise blanker ON
even when changing bands. The NB on/off state is stored on a per-band
basis for both main and sub receivers.

* DSP INTERNAL ERROR MONITORING: The DSPs now do additional
self-checking so they can automatically detect and prevent any type of  
rare
AF output anomaly. If you hear anything unexpected, please report
the associated information to Elecraft. While in the TECH MD menu entry,
tap 1 (main) or 2 (sub) to display the most recent data, shown in  
hexadecimal.
If it is “”, no error has been detected. After writing down the  
values,
tap CLR to reset them, allowing additional errors to be trapped if  
necessary.

* PL TONE DEVIATION ADJUSTABLE: Tapping '1' in CONFIG:FM DEV
changes menu entry name to PL DEV and allows setting PL tone deviation
from 300-600 Hz in 30-Hz steps (default is 360 Hz).

* EU REPEATER 1750 HZ PL TONE BURST:  In FM mode, if PL TONE is
selected and the tone pitch is set to 1750 Hz (using the PITCH  
switch), a
500 ms tone burst at 1750 Hz will be transmitted on each activation
of PTT. As a reminder, the -T icon will flash briefly at the start of  
each of
each transmission, then turn off until you’ve finished transmitting.

* EXTENDED 6-METER TUNING RANGE: The VFO can now be tuned
down to 44 MHz to monitor signals that may be correlated with 6-meter
band openings. Since the K3 has narrow band-pass filters, loss rapidly
increases as the VFO is tuned below 49 MHz (-34 dB typ. at 45 MHz). If a
preamp is in use ahead of the band pass filter (such as an Elecraft  
PR6), the
noise figure may still be adequate for monitoring strong 44-49 MHz  
signals.

* KEYPAD (1-9) SWITCH TONES WORKING FOR MV AND VM, M1-x:
Some keypad switches weren't producing a dual tone during memory
store/recall operations and message play.



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[Elecraft] [K2] RE: KAT100 error Fixed Part One

2009-09-28 Thread W4HDM

 Recap:KAT100 Tuner was going through the motions of tuning showing an SWR
of 1.0-1 but K2 showing a high SWR. Reduced power on TX on all bands. SWR
scale lights on the KAT100 not lighting during tune or TX.

 

I replaced D1 and D2 diodes on the KAT100, per  Skip,  WB4DAD's suggestion.
This has the KAT100 tuning and showing lights operating as they should. I
suspect a near lightning strike or power surge caused these to go bad?

 

PART 2: The only issue I see now is that the tuner always reverts to ANT 1
on power up. If I shut down while set to ANT2, when I power up it will show
2 for a second then go to 1. Anyone had this problem?

 

Thanks again to WB4DAD and his friend that passed this info to him.

 

Also, I would like to thank Don, W3FPR for his help. He has helped me on
several problems and gets my vote into the Elecraft Hall of Fame. I suspect
he would have solved this as well if not for my post being rejected from the
site.

 

Now to put it all back together!

 

Note: I ordered 10 of these diodes from an internet source, but being
impatient I found them at FRY's.  Same thing with the 40 pin firmware
socket. So if anyone needs diodes or 20 pin sockets, feel free to contact me
off list.

 

 73

Damon 

 

W4HDM

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 hum problem - not the usual?

2009-09-28 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:29:54 -0400, Brian Machesney wrote:

The problem only occurs in an
SSB mode when the nearby PA is both on and enabled (i.e., not on standby)
and when the K3 is both within about 8-in of the PA and parallel or at right
angles to it; rotating the rig about 15 degrees around the z-axis eliminated
the hum. All in the usual vein, so far.

Magnetic field coupling from the power supply to the K3's input circuitry, 
probably due to the use of unshielded audio transformers in the K3. This is a 
well known problem. One good band-aid is to go to the TXEQ1 settings and fully 
cut the three lowest octave bands. There's little communications value to the 
speech below 300 Hz anyway, and it burns TX power, so it's a win-win. Also, 
the acoustic stuff in that lower frequency range includes breath pops and room 
noise. 

It's also possible to have magnetic coupling on input wiring if you've managed 
to form it into a big loop, but the transformers are the more likely cause. I 
ran into the loop problem once when I jury-rigged a headphone amp for SO2R. No 
problem in TX audio, but it was in my phones. One of my neighbors had so much 
magnetically coupled hum into the Line In transformer that it regenerated to 
full output power when he tried to run RTTY in AFSK mode. 

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Howard
Read my message again.  ESSB is a mode!  I'm saying that people who claim
ESSB is wasteful then why can't CW ops say that SSB is wasteful?

~BTH

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:38 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules


Brett, reread part (a) of the FCC rules below.  The maximum bandwidth 
requirement is applied to each individual emission type (mode).  The FCC 
acknowledges the right to use voice modes like SSB and even AM ... it 
just says you shouldn't abuse the bandwidth when you do so.

Dave   AB7E


Brett Howard wrote:
 But using this set of rules to state that you shouldn't do ESSB is the
same as
 saying that no one should use SSB because they could carry out the
 communications via CW in less bandwidth.  

 ~BTH



 Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:

 §97.307 Emission standards.

 (a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
 necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, 
 in accordance with good amateur practice.

 (b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to the band or 
 segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the 
 necessary bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick interference to 
 operations on adjacent frequencies.

 It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, no spurs.  FCC 
 can and will cite stations for violations.

 73 de W4CWZ

   
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Re: [Elecraft] Need K3 firmware testers (extended AF bass, live memory recall, flat data-mode EQ, etc.)

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Howard
I can load it up and test things out this evening when I get off work (arnd
5pm).

I'm always game for testing new things...  

~BTH

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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:21 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector; elecraft...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Need K3 firmware testers (extended AF bass,live memory
recall, flat data-mode EQ, etc.)

Hi all,

We're getting very close to a long-awaited K3 beta firmware release.  
Since the changes are extensive, we'd like to send the code to a new  
group of pre-testers in addition to our usual field-test group.

Please read the release notes below. If you're interested, and can  
start testing right away, send me a direct email (n6kr at elecraft dot  
com) and I'll send you the latest firmware. I'll also include a link  
to the associated new release of K3 Utility, which is required to  
complete the RF GAIN Calibration procedure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

MCU 3.37 / DSP 2.36, 9-25-2009

* NO RX EQ OR TX EQ IN DATA MODES. (That is, the response is flat.)

* LIVE MEMORY RECALL (MV):  If you tap MV, then start rotating
VFO A to select a memory channel, the K3 will now switch to the
band/mode specified in each memory. Exit memory recall by tapping
MV a second time.

* VFO COARSE STEP ROUNDING: Tap '1' in the VFO CRS menu entry
to select RND=NO or YES. (Default for new K3s will be YES.) If YES,
the VFO frequency will be rounded up/down when COARSE tuning
is in effect. Coarse step size is selected using this same menu entry.
Note: The RIT/XIT control can be used to move the VFO in coarse
steps whenever RIT and XIT are both turned off. To disable this feature,
set CONFIG:VFO OFS to OFF.

* RF GAIN CALIBRATION PROCEDURE UPDATED:  Changes to
both K3 Utility and the DSP code are now in place to make RF GAIN
calibration work smoothly. Main/Sub S-meter discrepancy also
eliminated. All K3 owners are encouraged to run the RF GAIN cal
procedure on both main and sub receivers. (Requires 50 uV signal
source, such as an Elecraft XG1 or XG2.) Please use the latest rev of
K3 Utility.

* IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in
AM, SSB and CW modes. (For best results, use headphones or external
speakers with extended bass.) NORMalizing the DSP passband still
sets the low-frequency bound to about 100 Hz in SSB modes.
But by using SHIFT, WIDTH or LO CUT, you can extend the audio
response to around 50 Hz. User-configurable NORM1 and NORM2
settings, or presets I/II, can then be used to store desired values
(per-mode). The two lowest MAIN:RX EQ ranges (50 and 100 Hz)
can be used to further enhance bass.

* SUB RX NOISE BLANKER NOW FULLY INDEPENDENT OF MAIN:
This includes the on/off state and NB LEVEL settings. Note: Set
CONFIG:NB SAVE to YES if you wish to keep the noise blanker ON
even when changing bands. The NB on/off state is stored on a per-band
basis for both main and sub receivers.

* DSP INTERNAL ERROR MONITORING: The DSPs now do additional
self-checking so they can automatically detect and prevent any type of  
rare
AF output anomaly. If you hear anything unexpected, please report
the associated information to Elecraft. While in the TECH MD menu entry,
tap 1 (main) or 2 (sub) to display the most recent data, shown in  
hexadecimal.
If it is , no error has been detected. After writing down the  
values,
tap CLR to reset them, allowing additional errors to be trapped if  
necessary.

* PL TONE DEVIATION ADJUSTABLE: Tapping '1' in CONFIG:FM DEV
changes menu entry name to PL DEV and allows setting PL tone deviation
from 300-600 Hz in 30-Hz steps (default is 360 Hz).

* EU REPEATER 1750 HZ PL TONE BURST:  In FM mode, if PL TONE is
selected and the tone pitch is set to 1750 Hz (using the PITCH  
switch), a
500 ms tone burst at 1750 Hz will be transmitted on each activation
of PTT. As a reminder, the -T icon will flash briefly at the start of  
each of
each transmission, then turn off until you've finished transmitting.

* EXTENDED 6-METER TUNING RANGE: The VFO can now be tuned
down to 44 MHz to monitor signals that may be correlated with 6-meter
band openings. Since the K3 has narrow band-pass filters, loss rapidly
increases as the VFO is tuned below 49 MHz (-34 dB typ. at 45 MHz). If a
preamp is in use ahead of the band pass filter (such as an Elecraft  
PR6), the
noise figure may still be adequate for monitoring strong 44-49 MHz  
signals.

* KEYPAD (1-9) SWITCH TONES WORKING FOR MV AND VM, M1-x:
Some keypad switches weren't producing a dual tone during memory
store/recall operations and message play.



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[Elecraft] K3 possible subject for firmware update.

2009-09-28 Thread Elliott Lawrence
I use a Steppir antenna here.  No problem tracking the frequency as shown on 
VFO A.  When I go split and therefore transmit on VFO B the antenna 
frequency is not updated for operation in a different band segment.  It 
still tracks VFO A.  On my previous radio, FT1000D, the freqency information 
followed the VFO selected for transmission.  Not a big deal since the 
antenna is reasonly flat even when not optimized for a different part of the 
band.

73
Elliott WA6TLA


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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Read my message again.  ESSB is a mode! 

ESSB is NOT a mode ... it is a wide version of SSB 
analogous to the difference between 20.0A3 (Standard 
broadcast AM) and 6.0A3A (6 KHz wide communications 
service AM).  

When the FCC rules were written, the minimum bandwidth 
requirement meant exactly that amateurs were not to use 
20.0A3 instead of 6.0A3 nor were Amateurs to use other 
similarly wide modes like 850 Hz shift RTTY instead 
of 170 Hz shift, etc. 

The minimum bandwidth requirements also prohibit other 
emission artifacts - like key clicks and excessively 
sharp keying waveforms on CW and incidental phase or 
frequency modulation on phone. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:12 PM
 To: 'David Gilbert'; 'elecraft'
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules
 
 
 Read my message again.  ESSB is a mode!  I'm saying that 
 people who claim ESSB is wasteful then why can't CW ops say 
 that SSB is wasteful?
 
 ~BTH
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:38 AM
 To: elecraft
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules
 
 
 Brett, reread part (a) of the FCC rules below.  The maximum bandwidth 
 requirement is applied to each individual emission type 
 (mode).  The FCC 
 acknowledges the right to use voice modes like SSB and even AM ... it 
 just says you shouldn't abuse the bandwidth when you do so.
 
 Dave   AB7E
 
 
 Brett Howard wrote:
  But using this set of rules to state that you shouldn't do 
 ESSB is the
 same as
  saying that no one should use SSB because they could carry out the 
  communications via CW in less bandwidth.
 
  ~BTH
 
 
 
  Excerpted from FCC rules Part 97:
 
  §97.307 Emission standards.
 
  (a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than
  necessary for the information rate and emission type being 
 transmitted, 
  in accordance with good amateur practice.
 
  (b) Emissions resulting from modulation must be confined to 
 the band 
  or
  segment available to the control operator. Emissions outside the 
  necessary bandwidth must not cause splatter or keyclick 
 interference to 
  operations on adjacent frequencies.
 
  It's the law!!  Minimum practical bandwidth, no splatter, 
 no spurs.  
  FCC
  can and will cite stations for violations.
 
  73 de W4CWZ
 

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[Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3 2-tone IMD test.

2009-09-28 Thread Chuck - AE4CW

Alex,

 

Thank you!  I am studying your mods and will report back if I decide to do
them.

 

Chuck, AE4CW

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From: Alexander Ponomarenko-5 (via Nabble)
[mailto:ml-user+44544-1724029...@n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:50 PM
To: Chuck - AE4CW
Subject: Re: K3 2-tone IMD test.

 

Chuck, 

the most significant modification - the IF-amplifier buffer and AF-amplifier

circuit. 
The first mod helps to provide much smaller own noise level for K3 (10dB 
down !!!), 
and second mod takes more realistic sound. 
We talks about it earlier in the thread: 
 http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-June/111985.html
 The mods for 1-st and 2-nd mixer can be helpful only for multi-TX 
high-power contest station. 
In any event, all pictures of  these mods here: 
http://ur5lam.jimdo.com/elecraft-k3-mod-s-page/
if you want to see the big photos, you find and download it here: 
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137postdays=0postorder=ascstart
=870 postdays=0postorder=ascstart=870
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137
http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php?t=17137postdays=0postorder=ascstart
=900 postdays=0postorder=ascstart=900

All of these mods are not difficult. But results is very nice. 
My  K3 has much poor sound in A/B comparison with my small K2. 
But now, I have the new Radio, really excellent receiver and beautiful sound

after mods. 
I can hear the difference by my ear,  I can see the difference by my eyes on

the comparison plots. 

FW last beta 3.30 

73! GL! 
Alex UR5LAM 

2009/9/27 Chuck - AE4CW [hidden email]
http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=3730559i=0  


 
 Alex, 
 
 Can you please be specific about which HW mods you installed?  Are they
all 
 published by Elecraft?  I don't recall any 1st and 2nd Mixer mods being 
 published.  If not, can you please share them? 
 
 Are the software mods in the current beta FW, i.e. 3.30? 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Chuck, AE4CW 
 
 
 
 Alexander Ponomarenko-5 wrote: 
  
  Today we finished our K3 IMD-test in our home-laboratory. :) 
  We has the nice results I think. 
  Same improvements we have after modifications in hardware (mods for 1st 
  and 2nd Mixer, IF-buffer and AF-amplifier). 
  Same improvements we have after excellent software AGC-mods from Lyle 
  Johnson. 
  And here is the nice result in total. 
  
  2-tone-IMD-Plot for K3/100F BEFORE mods: 
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48688
  here we can see very dirty and nonlinear signal 
  
  Plot for K3/100F AFTER hardware mods: 
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48689
  more clean and linear signal 
  
  Plot for K3/100F AFTER hardware mods AND new AGC: 
  http://forum.cqham.ru/download.php?id=48677
  and nice result in total. 
  
  GL! 73! 
  Alex UR5LAM 
 

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[Elecraft] K2 Choppy keying

2009-09-28 Thread Bob G3PJT
Hi
Just been playing with a K2 which was sent if for repair of the QRP PA.  
The K2 seems to have a funny keying characteristic. On cw the keying 
characteristic seems quite poor at high speeds. I notice too that if one 
rotates the receive irt knob while sending the keying goes horribly 
choppy.  Id be interested in any opinion.
Or are they all like this!?

73 Bob G3PJT


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 hum problem - not the usual?

2009-09-28 Thread Joe Planisky
Would wrapping some of this Ultraperm 80 shielding around the K3's  
audio transformers be a solution?

(http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G16600A)

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

 On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:29:54 -0400, Brian Machesney wrote:

 The problem only occurs in an
 SSB mode when the nearby PA is both on and enabled (i.e., not on  
 standby)
 and when the K3 is both within about 8-in of the PA and parallel or  
 at right
 angles to it; rotating the rig about 15 degrees around the z-axis  
 eliminated
 the hum. All in the usual vein, so far.

 Magnetic field coupling from the power supply to the K3's input  
 circuitry,
 probably due to the use of unshielded audio transformers in the K3.  
 This is a
 well known problem. One good band-aid is to go to the TXEQ1 settings  
 and fully
 cut the three lowest octave bands. There's little communications  
 value to the
 speech below 300 Hz anyway, and it burns TX power, so it's a win- 
 win. Also,
 the acoustic stuff in that lower frequency range includes breath  
 pops and room
 noise.

 It's also possible to have magnetic coupling on input wiring if  
 you've managed
 to form it into a big loop, but the transformers are the more likely  
 cause. I
 ran into the loop problem once when I jury-rigged a headphone amp  
 for SO2R. No
 problem in TX audio, but it was in my phones. One of my neighbors  
 had so much
 magnetically coupled hum into the Line In transformer that it  
 regenerated to
 full output power when he tried to run RTTY in AFSK mode.

 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 scratchy volume control

2009-09-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Paul,

Install the Modified AF Gain Wiring (I believe you will find it on the 
Elecraft website with the Application Notes for the K2), also if your 
pot is already scratchy, I suggest you order a new pot, even if you 
could get it in, the control cleaner is not likely to work for long.

73,
Don W3FPR

paul wrote:
 I have a K2, serial 2592 that has recently developed a noisy volume 
 control and turning the RF gain causes the AGC to jump.  Guessing the RF 
 control is noisy also.

 I disassembled the K2 thinking I could spray a cleaner in the controls - 
 but there are no openings in the pots.  So these pots need to be replaced 
 - what do you recommend?

 Note: I did the volume control mod several years so that doesn't need to 
 be done.

 Thanks,

 Paul
 AD5IW
   

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread David Gilbert

Not according to the FCC 

Dave   AB7E


Brett Howard wrote:
 Read my message again.  ESSB is a mode!
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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Oct 2009

2009-09-28 Thread Ken Newman
~
N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR  
October 2009 
~
Worked All ARCI Challenge (CW/Dig/Ph) QRP Event!
thru Dec 31
Info: http://www.qrparci.org/waac
~
TARA PSK31 Rumble (PSK31 only) ... QRP Category
Oct 3, z to 2400z
Rules: http://www.n2ty.org/seasons/tara_rumble_rules.html
~
German Telegraphy Contest (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 3, 0700z to 0959z
Rules: http://kontest.de/dtc/DTC-Rules_e.pdf
~
EU SPRINT CONTEST - Autumn (SSB) ... 100W category
Oct 3, 1600z to 1959z
Rules: http://www.eusprint.com/index.php?page=140lang=g
~
California QSO Party (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Oct 3, 1600z to Oct 4, 2159z
Rules: http://www.cqp.org/
~
RSGB 21/28 MHz Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Oct 4, 0700z to 1900z
Rules: http://www.vhfcc.org/hfcc/rules/2009/r2128.shtml
~
Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP Event! ***
Oct 6, 0100z to 0300z (First Monday 9 PM EDT)
Info: 
http://adventure-radio.org/wiki/index.php?title=Spartan_Sprints
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10-10 Day Sprint (All) ... QRP Category
Oct 10, 0001z to 2359z
Rules: http://www.ten-ten.org/Forms/QSOPartyRulesRevised.pdf
~
Worked All Britain HF Contest (Phone) ...QRP Category
Oct 10, 1200z to Oct 11, 1200z
Rules: http://wab.intermip.net/Contest%20Rules.php
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Pennsylvania QSO Party (CW/SSB/Digital) ... QRP Category
Oct 10, 1600z to Oct 11, 0500z
Oct 11, 1300z to Oct 11, 2200z
Rules: http://www.nittany-arc.net/paqso.html
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Arizona QSO Party (CW/PH) ... QRP Category
Oct 10, 1600z to Oct 11, 0600z and
Oct 11, 1400z to Oct 11, 2350z
Rules: http://www.azqsoparty.org/rules.htm
~
EU SPRINT CONTEST - Autumn (CW) ... 100W category
Oct 10, 1600z to 1959z
Rules: http://www.eusprint.com/index.php?page=140lang=g
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FISTS Fall Sprint (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 10, 1700z to 2100z
Rules: http://www.fists.org/sprints.html
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North American Sprint (RTTY) ... QRP Category
Oct 11, Z to 0400Z 
Rules: http://www.ncjweb.com/sprintrules.php
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SKCC Weekend Sprintathon (Straight Key CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 11, z to 2359z
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~
NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
EDT: Oct 13, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM
UTC: Oct 14, 0030Z to 0230Z
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LZ Open 80m Sprint (CW) ... QRP Category
Oct 17, z to 0400z
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QRP ARCI Fall QSO Party (CW) *** QRP Contest ***
Oct 17, 1200z to Oct 18, 2400z
Rules: http://www.qrparci.org
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Iowa QSO Party (CW/Ph/Dig)  
Oct 17, 1400z to 2300z
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STEW PERRY TOPBAND DISTANCE CHALLENGE WARMUP - QRP CATEGORY
Oct 17, 1500z to Oct 18, 1500z
Rules: http://web.jzap.com/k7rat/stew.html
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Worked All Germany Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category
Oct 17, 1500z  to Oct 18, 1459z
Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcgr.htm
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New York QSO Party (Ph/CW/Dig) ... QRP Category
Oct 17, 1800z to Oct 18, 0600z
Rules: http://www.nyqp.org/rules.php
~
070 Club 160m Great Pumpkin Sprint (PSK) ... QRP Category
Oct 17, 2000 to Oct 18, 0200 (Local Time)
Rules: 
http://www.podxs070.com/contests/160m_sprint_rules09.htm
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Illinois QSO Party (CW/PH)... QRP Category  
Oct 18, 1700z to Oct 19, 0100z
Rules: http://www.w9awe.org/ILQP2009.html
~
RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST ***
EDT: Oct 18, 9 PM to 11 PM
UTC: Oct 19, 0100z 0300z
Rules: http://www.fpqrp.com/
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Ten-Ten QSO Party (CW/Digital) ... QRP Category
Oct 24, 0001z to Oct 25, 2359z
Rules: 

Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes, and from the information I have, H3 and J3 (among others) are both
considered phone. H3 is full carrier SSB, so there's no lower limit to the
audio frequency allowed, only a 3 kHz upper limit. What's not defined in
Part 97 is what the 3 kHz means - 3 dB down from peak, 6 dB down? And no
slope information for the roll-off beyond that.

I'm glad the rules aren't more restrictive. 

I have been on the air long enough to remember when there were serious
arguments for banishing all phone from the HF bands as a huge
spectrum-waster. Compared to CW and even most other digital modes, it
certainly is! 

More recently was a movement to stop a huge abuse of the HF bands that
effectively eliminates almost all routine communications for long periods
of time, even occasionally seriously interfering with real emergency
communications. Those Hams were petitioning for banning contesting on the
Ham bands - at least the HF bands. And they had a point. Of course what
happened was that a compromise was reached in which some HF bands are off
limits to all contests. Everyone has been accommodated. 

Hopefully that's a model we'll continue to use when coming to agreements
about other forms of operation. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

Not according to the FCC 

Dave   AB7E


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 Read my message again.  ESSB is a mode!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 possible subject for firmware update.

2009-09-28 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Elliott Lawrence-3 wrote:
 
 I use a Steppir antenna here.  No problem tracking the frequency as shown
 on 
 VFO A.  When I go split and therefore transmit on VFO B the antenna 
 frequency is not updated for operation in a different band segment.  It 
 still tracks VFO A.  On my previous radio, FT1000D, the freqency
 information 
 followed the VFO selected for transmission.  Not a big deal since the 
 antenna is reasonly flat even when not optimized for a different part of
 the 
 band.
 
Surely that is an issue with the software that is tracking the
frequency(ies) you are using? The K3 provides all the information software
needs to know if it is working split and what the VFO B frequency is, but
the software still needs to ask for that information and use it.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 KY command and RTTY

2009-09-28 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Tom, DL2RUM wrote:
 
 I'm not quite sure if the following a bug under 3.30:
 Mode is set to Data FSK D
 When sending text to the TRX using the KY command, the text will be sent
 out and after that the signal is idling (didles) a while before the K3
 switchs to RX. That's okay.
 But when sending the next KY command during this idling time, the
 transmission changes to an unmodulated carrier, without didles. It takes
 few seconds before the next text will be send out.
 
Interesting. I can reproduce this using KComm by selecting the K3 DSP modems
option, clicking Start sending and typing slowly. PSK D appears to have the
same problem. The transmission doesn't change to a single tone, but there is
a delay of a couple of seconds before the next character is sent. This is
with the last beta version sent to registered beta testers.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 hum problem - not the usual?

2009-09-28 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU
Jim K9YC wrote:
 Magnetic field coupling from the power supply to the K3's input circuitry,
 probably due to the use of unshielded audio transformers in the K3. This
 is a well known problem. One good band-aid is to go to the TXEQ1
 settings and fully cut the three lowest octave bands.
 ...
 One of my neighbors had so much magnetically coupled hum
 into the Line In transformer that it regenerated to full
 output power when he tried to run RTTY in AFSK mode.

Note that the upcoming firmware upgrade will reportedly eliminate TXEQ in
AFSK (and other audio-based digital modes), and it apparently may be some
time before another update provides true per-mode TX/RX EQ.  So people
with hum will need another solution, except for the voice modes.

I tried wrapping the component side of the transformers in a sheet of
Mu-metal (actually, a competitor, not Mu-brand) and noted no difference. 
It was probably a futile effort anyway as it didn't wholly enclose the
transformer; probably I need to complain to Maxwell about this.

Leigh/WA5ZNU

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 FSK power transients

2009-09-28 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
 
 With the 8 pole filter I see 2 watts difference on the N8LP 
 LP-100 wattmeter.  However, in AFSK A or DATA A modes for 
 PSK I see as much as 15 watts (0.7 dB) difference (maximum 
 to minimum) as the tone frequency varies from 200 Hz to 2800 
 Hz in DATA A (FC=1500 Hz) or 1000 Hz to 3500 Hz in AFSK 
 (FC=2210 Hz). 
 
If the fall-off is only at the edges I wouldn't be unhappy with this. Last
time I checked, a few months ago when the power control in data mode was
finally made to work properly, I found that the power output was pretty well
flat between about 400 to 2400Hz, once the audio level has been adjusted for
4 bars of ALC as instructed. Personally I wouldn't operate with a sound card
program outside of that range, anyway.

If you are transmitting some sort of wide FSK mode then I suppose you will
see differences because the ALC can only keep the power level average. I
guess this is where having the option to set TX EQ in data mode could come
in useful, though whether the adjustment currently permitted is fine enough
to cancel out filter ripple is another matter. I wouldn't have thought any
other radio would do any better, though. With many radios you have to keep
the drive below the ALC threshold so you are completely at the mercy of the
sound card frequency response and the TX filter ripple.

-
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 hum problem - not the usual? [Try CONFIG:AFSK TX = FIL ON]

2009-09-28 Thread Wayne Burdick
The K3 has a CONFIG menu entry called AFSK TX. If you set it to FIL  
ON, a 400-Hz transmit-mode audio filter is inserted, centered around  
the mark/space tones. This is only available when the rig is set for  
AFSK A mode. It should be effective against low-frequency hum coming  
in through the mic or LINE IN connectors.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 28, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. WA5ZNU wrote:

 Jim K9YC wrote:
 Magnetic field coupling from the power supply to the K3's input  
 circuitry,
 probably due to the use of unshielded audio transformers in the K3.  
 This
 is a well known problem. One good band-aid is to go to the TXEQ1
 settings and fully cut the three lowest octave bands.
 ...
 One of my neighbors had so much magnetically coupled hum
 into the Line In transformer that it regenerated to full
 output power when he tried to run RTTY in AFSK mode.

 Note that the upcoming firmware upgrade will reportedly eliminate  
 TXEQ in
 AFSK (and other audio-based digital modes), and it apparently may be  
 some
 time before another update provides true per-mode TX/RX EQ.  So people
 with hum will need another solution, except for the voice modes.

 I tried wrapping the component side of the transformers in a sheet of
 Mu-metal (actually, a competitor, not Mu-brand) and noted no  
 difference.
 It was probably a futile effort anyway as it didn't wholly enclose the
 transformer; probably I need to complain to Maxwell about this.

 Leigh/WA5ZNU

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Julian, G4ILO



Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 
 I have been on the air long enough to remember when there were serious
 arguments for banishing all phone from the HF bands as a huge
 spectrum-waster. Compared to CW and even most other digital modes, it
 certainly is!
 
Though if you want a fair comparison, I suppose you should multiply the
bandwidth used by the time factor needed to convey the same information.
There aren't many CW ops who can send as fast as they can speak. :)

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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules

2009-09-28 Thread Lyle Johnson
 I have been on the air long enough to remember when there were serious
 arguments for banishing all phone from the HF bands as a huge
 spectrum-waster. Compared to CW and even most other digital modes, it
 certainly is!

 Though if you want a fair comparison, I suppose you should multiply the
 bandwidth used by the time factor needed to convey the same information.
 There aren't many CW ops who can send as fast as they can speak. :)

Spectral power density is a good way to express how to deal with this. 
It is how CDMA cellphones use very low power, but lots of bandwidth, 
versus TDMA (GSM) which use high peak power, but less bandwidth per 
call.  For a given cell band, CDMA can handle more calls.  SO for a 
given Amateur band...

Of course, it quickly gets very complex :-)

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Choppy keying

2009-09-28 Thread Andrew Moore

Just been playing with a K2 which was sent if for repair of the QRP PA.
The K2 seems to have a funny keying characteristic. On cw the keying
characteristic seems quite poor at high speeds. I notice too that if one


Just a random through but maybe check the T-R delay in the menus... I think
mine is set to 0.02 (default?) and does well.

How high a speed is high speed?
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 scratchy volume control

2009-09-28 Thread DF5RF
Paul  Don,
I got the same problem despite I have applied the new AF wiring.
Especially the RF pot problem appeared last year all of a sudden.
Mechanically, the pot does not sound too bad.

Elecraft, pse, what is the explanation for this? Do we really need to 
replace the AF/RF pots?

73
Gernot
DF5RF
K2#2329
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Re: [Elecraft] ESSB and the rules [ END of thread]

2009-09-28 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks,

Let's end this thread discussing ESSB and the FCC rules.

73, Eric 
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[Elecraft] OT gigatronics

2009-09-28 Thread ron
anybody know where i could get a oper manual for a gigatronics 6060B rf gen.
thanks, ron
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 scratchy volume control

2009-09-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gernot,

I repair many K2s, both as an independent and as an Elecraft hourly 
employee, so I believe I am qualified to speak to your comment.  I 
cannot suggest that this is an official Elecraft response because I do 
not have Eric or Wayne's permission on this particular situation, and I 
do not have any data on the life expectancy for these controls.

.Most of the AF Gain pots are still good, although a scratchy one is 
encountered occasionally.  Rarely do I see that in an RF Gain control, 
but then many operators (likely most) just leave the RF Gain at max and 
depend on the AGC, so it does not get as much use as the AF Gain control.
If the gain control has been used a lot, the track can wear out, and 
replacement is the only certain cure that I know.

So from that perspective, the pots are of adequate quality for the 
average K2.  Of the K2s that I repair, those that show obvious signs of 
greater than average use (buttons worn, knobs show wear, etc) are the 
most likely ones to have a bad AF Gain control.

With the unmodified AF Gain circuit in K2s below SN 3000, there was a 
bit of current drawn through the AF Gain control which accelerated the 
chance that the control would become scratchy, so if the AF Gain control 
is already scratchy, adding the AF Gain alternate wiring mod will not 
cure that condition.  The wiring mod is included on the boards for all 
K2s above SN 3000 (now greater than 1/2 the K2s out there).

If you use the RF Gain control frequently it is possible that it may be 
worn too.  You did not say  if you use the RF Gain frequently, or if you 
operate the K2 more hours than the average ham.

73,
Don W3FPR

DF5RF wrote:
 Paul  Don,
 I got the same problem despite I have applied the new AF wiring.
 Especially the RF pot problem appeared last year all of a sudden.
 Mechanically, the pot does not sound too bad.

 Elecraft, pse, what is the explanation for this? Do we really need to 
 replace the AF/RF pots?

 73
 Gernot
 DF5RF
 K2#2329
   

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[Elecraft] Set of K2 kits for sale

2009-09-28 Thread Dave Leslie
Unassembled kits from 2005. They're out of warranty, of course. 

K2 #4685 
K160RX
K60XV
KAT100-1
KDSP2
KNB2
KPA100
KSB2
FDIMP

$1876 if bought new today. For sale as a single package. $1500 gets them
shipped insured UPS to you.
Please reply off list.

James D. Leslie
9360 Lost Forest Dr.
Richmond, VA 23237
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[Elecraft] Mods and A P3 question.

2009-09-28 Thread Larry - K2GN
Did the 3 mods this weekend. Or should say watched a steady handed friend with 
good eyes do the mods.
All went well.

For planning purposes, does any body have the dimensions?
Got to make sure I can make room for it!!
de K2GN/Larry
K3 - S/N 3278

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Re: [Elecraft] Set of K2 kits for sale

2009-09-28 Thread dave
Dave,

Would you sell the KPA100 separately, and if so, for how much?


73 de dave
ab9ca/4



Dave Leslie wrote:
 Unassembled kits from 2005. They're out of warranty, of course. 

 K2 #4685 
 K160RX
 K60XV
 KAT100-1
 KDSP2
 KNB2
 KPA100
 KSB2
 FDIMP

 $1876 if bought new today. For sale as a single package. $1500 gets them
 shipped insured UPS to you.
 Please reply off list.

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 9360 Lost Forest Dr.
 Richmond, VA 23237
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[Elecraft] K2 for sale, new lower price!

2009-09-28 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
I have for sale K2 #6673 with the kpa100 and kat100 in the separate ec2 
case, ksb2, k160rx, knb2, kat2, fdimp and kio2, about $2000.00 total cost.

It works like a dream, is like new, with extra parts, manuals, etc.

Asking $1000.00 plus shipping.

Will sell separate the k2 and the kpa100/kat100 in the ec2 case.

Brett
N2DTS 


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[Elecraft] K3 Operation With ACOM 2S1 Commutator

2009-09-28 Thread Oliver Sweningsen
Is anyone successfully using the ACOM 2S1 Commutator with a pair of K3s and
single amplifier?  I am trying to operate two K3s on a single band/mode as a
multi-multi setup.  I have taken TX inhibit from the accessory connector but
trying to figure out how to fully mute the non transmitting K3 when
operating both radios on the same band/mode.  Please reply off line if you
have a wiring diagram.

 

Oliver, W6NV

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for September 27th 28th, 2009

2009-09-28 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
This report is a day late but extenuating circumstances intervened.  
However, conditions were good yesterday; especially on forty meters where I was 
able to work many locations.  Thank you for the continuing efforts of Steve to 
make contact from Georgia.  It has been a long time since we have heard him.  I 
know he has been monitoring from his many emails but conditions did not allow 
us contact.  Forty meters elicited four new operators to ECN.  That is always 
fun.  Only one of the contacts was hampered by weak signals and high QRN.  When 
KW6AR is able to work the net again I hope to get all his information.
   Where yesterday had some warm temperatures today it was chilly.  Even though 
the sun was shining for the first few hours of my day it was cold enough to 
force me to build a fire.  Luckily there is plenty of wood nearby even though I 
have not collected very much of the wood I have split this year.  It is burning 
nicely while the rain falls.  It is supposed to rain for the next week if the 
weatherman is correct.  I did get a report of chilly, cloudy skies from Rick.  
He always sends his weather down here with the very rare exception of a bit 
from Hawaii or California.  My road has become quite busy.  Even after bedtime 
the trucks were driving by shining for deer.  If they are wise they will aim 
their hooves toward to reprod and bed down.  There is plenty to eat, water 
nearby, and a good place to sleep peacefully.  

   On to the lists =

  On 14050.5 kHz at 2300z:
WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820QNI # 90!!!
WB5BKL - Nick - TX - K3 - 231
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866** QNI # 205 **
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 - 5138
K8DD - Hank - MI - K3 - 579

  On 7045.5 kHz at 0100z:
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 - 5138
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
K8DD - Hank - MI - K3 - 579QNI # 5!
W8OV - Dave - TX - K3 - 3139 QNI # 10!
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642
K8AZT - John - MI - K3 - 1693
K9ZTV - Kent - MO - K3 - 21
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
WB5BKL - Nick - TX - K3 - 231
KL2AX - John - AK - future KX1 operator
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
NU4I - Ken - VA - K3 - 1292
KW6AR - Percy - CA 
KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798

   Hopefully the information listed above is OK.  If it is not please email me 
with the corrections.  Now to get back to my regular schedule instead of 
letting these reports sit for a day.  That is never good!  My memory loses the 
feel for what happened and the conditions on each net.  I do remember after the 
second net enjoying the last of the daylight and the quiet of the trees.  Forty 
meters has a lot of QRN and it kept building over the time period.  By the end 
it was tough to work the weaker stations.  I may have missed one under the 
noise but I cannot tell.  
   Until next week stay well,
  73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS   (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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[Elecraft] SDR-IQ

2009-09-28 Thread Maarten
I am setting up a K3 with a SDR-IQ and spectravue.

When selecting K3 in extRadiosetup menu I cannot keep the IF inverted.

Is this a software problem with spectravue?

Anyone on this list working with SDR-IQ with Spectravue 3.01?

Thanks Maarten

 

 

 

 

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