Re: [Elecraft] 1750Hz tone in MCU 3.41 / DSP 2.37, 10-02-2009
Wayne Burdick wrote: We had more requests for this than any other FM/repeater-related change, so apparently there are lots of legacy repeaters still in use out there. That could be because: - the use of tone burst in embedded in folk law and many people don't realise it is no longer needed (rig instruction booklets probably reinforce this); or even - if you are driving long distances, on unfamiliar routes, stopping to identify the right CTCSS frequency and program it in may be too much of a hassle. -- David Woolley we do not overly restrict the subject matter on the list, and we encourage postings on a wide range of amateur radio related topics List Guidelines http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K1] WANT TO BUY ELECRAFT K1
I want to buy Elecraft K1 with internal ATU 73 IZ1GSO Francesco -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/WANT-TO-BUY-ELECRAFT-K1-tp3780527p3780527.html Sent from the [K1] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
I also noticed this the other day when I was messing about with the RF Gain Calibration and then wanted to recheck the S-meter calibration. Thought I probably had a button-push sequence messed up, but I wasn't able to finish the job for the SubRx. 73, Ken K3IU Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Has anyone managed to use the proceedure in the handbook to calibrater the sub-rx s-meter? The metering is switched over to the sub-rx when in b SET mode. However, as soon at you go into CONFIG the s-meter reverts to the main rx making callibration impossible. This can be checked by rotating the main rx rf gain counter clockwise, the s-meter reading changes. Unless, that is, I'm doing something terribly wrong. I never bother with the sub-rx s-meter in normal operation but the implication is that it is adjustable. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 1750Hz tone in MCU 3.41 / DSP 2.37, 10-02-2009
The logic here in EI is typically a 1750Hz tone is needed to 'wake up' the repeater after a period of inactivity. once the repeater is open the 1750Hz tone is no longer required if this is to be 'auto-magic' have it TX a 1750Hz tone IF, repeater shift is on AND squelch is closed at the time of TX. If the squelch is open then the repeater is already open and the Tone burst is not required to wake it up. Here in EI all repeaters support Tone burst access, many support CTSS and some encode CTSS on their transmissions too (but only when the repeater has it's squelch open, I.e no ctss on beacon IDENTs etc) 73 Brendan EI6IZ (Keeper of EI2TGR repeater ) On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 21:52 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: On my list. tnx Wayne N6KR Jan Erik Holm wrote: PLEASE ...make it so that [1750 Hz burst at start] can be switched off. In Sweden this is not needed for repeater work, after repeater been activated with 1750Hz it is carrier operated. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB RX S-meter
G'day folks, Right, I have now been advised via several sources that the independent callibration of the sub-rx s-meter is currently not possible. Pity about the wast of time trying to do it as detailed and wondering why. Also I understand that the TCXO temperature data entry in the latest K3 utility also doesn't do anything yet, unless it just sends the data to the radio for future use. Actually I wasn't expecting it to do anything before an official announcement. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:59:08 -0700, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org wrote: Could we get an estimate on when the non-Windows platform K3 Utilities 1.2.9.30 will be ready? The K3_software page is a bit stale on this topic. I need to decide whether to go get a Windows laptop set up to run the RF gain calibration, and I'm sure others would like to know as well. (It's obviously not an impossible task, but not one I'd like to undertake needlessly if the release is imminent.) Leigh/WA5ZNU [snip] You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. My opinion. I could be wrong. Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
There is an error in the manual according to Wayne and you cannot calibrate the sub rx S-meter. John N1JM Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Has anyone managed to use the proceedure in the handbook to calibrater the sub-rx s-meter? The metering is switched over to the sub-rx when in b SET mode. However, as soon at you go into CONFIG the s-meter reverts to the main rx making callibration impossible. This can be checked by rotating the main rx rf gain counter clockwise, the s-meter reading changes. Unless, that is, I'm doing something terribly wrong. I never bother with the sub-rx s-meter in normal operation but the implication is that it is adjustable. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Beta-Firmware-Rev-3-41-Improved-RX-bass-response-Flat-DATA-mode-EQ-Live-memory-recall-etc-tp3773055p3782179.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3 wishlist
not knowing if this is technically feasable, I'd like to have a port for a pointing device (mouse, trackball or these nice heavy tuning devices you can use to navigate in google earth or SDR transciever) regarding the screen, it would be nice to be able to use it for decoding digital modes, especially those already supported by the K3: point and click on the signal in waterfall display, decoded text in a simple terminal program and a line for keyboard input - like the PSK programs for the PC. The option of an integrated power supply would make a ultra compact portable combo - with bluetooth connection to a netbood nearly wireless. I'd also support the idea with band buttons which was already discussed earlier on the list. 73! Werner oe9fwv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. The delay in releasing the Mac/Linux versions of the K3 Utility has nothing whatsoever to do with the lack of development tools. It has to do with the lack of a radio. My K3 developed a problem and is in Aptos now being repaired. The Mac/Linux versions will be forthcoming once I get the radio back and once I determine the software is stable and ready for release. I would suggest using/borrowing a Windows PC if you can't wait to run the RF Gain calibration. BTW, Apple development tools are included for free with the operating system. David, W4SMT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
Likewise here. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- Leigh/WA5ZNU [snip] You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. My opinion. I could be wrong. Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 SUB RX S-meter
Mike, VP8NO wrote: Also I understand that the TCXO temperature data entry in the latest K3 utility also doesn't do anything yet, unless it just sends the data to the radio for future use. Mike, that's correct. The K3 Utility stores the TCXO data entered in the radio for future use. Dick, K6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU ~~ N1JM wrote: There is an error in the manual according to Wayne and you cannot calibrate the sub rx S-meter. John N1JM Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Has anyone managed to use the proceedure in the handbook to calibrater the sub-rx s-meter? The metering is switched over to the sub-rx when in b SET mode. However, as soon at you go into CONFIG the s-meter reverts to the main rx making callibration impossible. This can be checked by rotating the main rx rf gain counter clockwise, the s-meter reading changes. Unless, that is, I'm doing something terribly wrong. I never bother with the sub-rx s-meter in normal operation but the implication is that it is adjustable. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Sub RX S-meter cal
You're right, Ken: The manual mistakenly claimed that the sub's S- meter parameters were separate, and the firmware perpetuated the myth by allowing you to tap SUB when looking at SMTR OF and SC. The next manual revision will correct this. Sub and main S-meter calibration both benefit from the new RF GAIN calibration procedure. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Sub RX S-meter cal
Is the separate S-meter calibration irrelevant (eg smeter cal is really only setting up front panel) once RF gain calibration is done in both RX, and both RX RF gain curves are standard? 73, Guy. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: You're right, Ken: The manual mistakenly claimed that the sub's S- meter parameters were separate, and the firmware perpetuated the myth by allowing you to tap SUB when looking at SMTR OF and SC. The next manual revision will correct this. Sub and main S-meter calibration both benefit from the new RF GAIN calibration procedure. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Panadapter/bandscope pricing and availability?
I recall seeing a presentation that had a picture of the upcoming K3 panadapter/bandscope in it. And I seem to recall it saying it would ship at the end of this year. But I can't find that now. I also haven't seen it on the discussion list lately. So, what's the latest on availability date and is there ballpark pricing yet? Thanks, Michael - N6MEF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 bad TX - solved
Just to let you know that spurious signals while TXing are gone ;) The problem was capasitor C3 that was soldered on PA board. That capasitor should not be there and causes an oscillation in the bias circuit. Big thanks to Frank, W4NHJ for helping me finding this out. Also thanks to everyone for other solution suggestions and help! 73 de Toni, OH2UA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] RJ45 jack
I'm a new owner, and new to the list. The manual says: FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located on the bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B knob. It is used with accessory devices. What are these devices and how are they connected? There's no pin definition or reference in the schematic. -- Dick - K4XU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RJ45 jack
Dick, Welcome the the Elecraft world! Currently, there are no devices that use the RJ-45 connector. There may be in the future, but for now it is only used at the factory for tests. 73, Don W3FPR Dick Frey wrote: I'm a new owner, and new to the list. The manual says: FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located on the bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B knob. It is used with accessory devices. What are these devices and how are they connected? There's no pin definition or reference in the schematic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
You could be wrong. ;-) You're making a pretty definitive statement based on 24+ year-old experiences. A lot has changed since then for both Mac and Windows platforms. Are you still developing for DOS 3.0? Windows 1.0? Not trying to fan a Mac/Win flame war, but if you can't find quality, inexpensive (or free) development tools for OS X, you're not looking very hard. 73! Paul WW2PT Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. My opinion. I could be wrong. Tom, N5GE -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Beta-Firmware-Rev-3-41-Improved-RX-bass-response-Flat-DATA-mode-EQ-Live-memory-recall-etc-tp3773055p3783137.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Mac/PC thread - ENDed
Lets end the MAC,PC pro/con discussion thread before it explodes. :-) 73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator Paul - WW2PT wrote: You could be wrong. ;-) You're making a pretty definitive statement based on 24+ year-old experiences. A lot has changed since then for both Mac and Windows platforms. Are you still developing for DOS 3.0? Windows 1.0? Not trying to fan a Mac/Win flame war, but if you can't find quality, inexpensive (or free) development tools for OS X, you're not looking very hard. 73! Paul WW2PT Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. My opinion. I could be wrong. Tom, N5GE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41...
On Oct 7, 2009, at 10/76:50 AM, Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. For the record, the Macintosh was not even introduced until 1984 (that was in the MS-DOS time frame; Windows 1.0 was not introduced until the end of 1985). To relate the (1985) development environments for the MOS Technology 6502 or the Motorola 68000 to a discussion thread why others are experiencing a delay in the (2009) K3 Utilities for Mac OS X is IMHO a complete red herring. David W4SMT has other reasons than the lack of tools. There are two popular routes today to develop for Mac OS X. One is to use the Xcode IDE that comes (read: for free -- so I have no idea where the very expensive development tools above come from) in the installer disk of every copy of Mac OS X that is sold since Mac OS X 10.1 (2002). The other is to use the third party cross platform REALbasic environment. Many people, David among them, but it includes Tom DL2RUM with his RUMped and RUMlog series of programs, uses REALbasic, but other developers go through the Cocoa framework that is supported by the Xcode IDE; they include Don VE3VRW (MacLoggerDX), Bill K1GQ (cocoaVNA and SkookumLogger) and myself. In addition to Objective C, the Xcode IDE has compilers for C, C++, Java, Python, Ruby, FORTRAN and AppleScript Studio. For many languages, there are bridges between them so you can link modules that are written in multiple languages in the same program. You are not restricted to the above languages either. It is also easy to include other Unix tool chains into Xcode, as shown here for the compiler for Atmel AVR micro-controllers: http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/AVR%20Tools/Contents/resources.html Since Mac OS X is really just Unix under the GUI veneer, as long as you are proficient with Unix, you can use Unix tools directly without using Xcode, as described here for building NEC-4 under gfortran: http://homepage.mac.com/chen/w7ay/cocoaNEC/Contents/NEC4.html This should put to rest the other statement above, i.e., Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers. Bill K1GQ (another K3 owner; SkookumLogger's radio interface is primarily targeted at the K3) had only switched to developing in Cocoa within the last 4 or 5 years. You can ask him how difficult Apple had made the transition for him, and if he is willing to switch to something else today. You will find that there are fewer ham related programs for Mac OS X, but the reason is not for the lack of tools but rather, IMO, the case that there are fewer Mac OS using hams to start with. 73 Chen, W7AY Full disclosure: Before retirement, I had worked for Apple. But I have also programmed under IBSYS, TOPS-20, various Unixes (VAX, SUN, Apollo) before ever encountering Mac OS. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
G'day, My results are: Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine: Subsequently: Main RX only, pre amp OFF - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2) Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss: Main RX S8 S1 Sub-RX S7 S0 No big deal but not identical. As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up a year ago or more as above. When I checked it before doing the RX gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5 S9. Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been creeping up! Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it. I assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't associated with the XG1. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Ken K3IU kenk...@cox.net To: N1JM johnn...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 and CommCat
As a new K3 owner (kit-built), I'm still on a steep learning curve, but I thought I'd tap into expertise on the reflector with a question about the K3 and CommCat, my logging program. When I move spots from CommCat's spot manager to the radio, more often than not the radio goes into split mode, whether or not CommCat is indicating that the spot is operating split. Does anyone else on the reflector use CommCat with a K3 and, if so, had this little problem? Thanks in advance for any feedback. Jeff, K6JW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] New Firmware Release!
Good afternoon, All. The new PC utility and beta firmware are really out of this world. [A bit melodramatic, I know! But what the hey, I'm an old man and I've earned the privilege of talking like this. ;-) ] Oh, how much easier can calibrations be than now? I do have a question though. [Naturally!] All of my parameter numbers provided on my TCXO data sheet went in without a hitch. But when I tried to save them to memory, I could not. I'd close this feature and then reopen it. The numbers had returned to what I'd guess were the parameters used as baseline by the factory. Not really complaining as my K3 is absolutely SUPER! Now for my question: Is this a feature [saving the TCXO parameters] something coming in the future or am I'm doing something wrong? The link to save these numbers disappears by the time I've inserted the numbers. Thanks Best 73. Jim... WA4NTM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:03:51 -0700 (PDT), David Fleming df...@yahoo.com wrote: You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. The delay in releasing the Mac/Linux versions of the K3 Utility has nothing whatsoever to do with the lack of development tools. It has to do with the lack of a radio. My K3 developed a problem and is in Aptos now being repaired. The Mac/Linux versions will be forthcoming once I get the radio back and once I determine the software is stable and ready for release. I would suggest using/borrowing a Windows PC if you can't wait to run the RF Gain calibration. BTW, Apple development tools are included for free with the operating system. [snip] They were not in the early 80's. I had to buy a Pascal Compiler and it was expensive. Sorry your K3 is having trouble. 73, Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] RJ45 jack
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:02:07 -0700, Dick Frey k4xu.1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a new owner, and new to the list. The manual says: FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located on the bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B knob. It is used with accessory devices. What are these devices and how are they connected? There's no pin definition or reference in the schematic. The accessories are the testing devices at the factory at this time. 73, Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] [elecraft] K3 Beta Firmware Rev. 3.41: Improved RX bass response; Flat DATA-mode EQ; Live memory recall; etc.
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Paul - WW2PT ww...@arrl.net wrote: You could be wrong. ;-) That's what I said You're making a pretty definitive statement based on 24+ year-old experiences. A lot has changed since then for both Mac and Windows platforms. Are you still developing for DOS 3.0? Windows 1.0? No, actually I program with .NET C# 3.5, MS SQL Server and IIS 6.0 and many other MS products. However you might be interested to know that the hourly rate for Quick Basic programmers was $125 per hour last time I had an offer for a contract updating one of those applications. We are getting scarce and many like me just don't want to go through the hassle of it. Not trying to fan a Mac/Win flame war, but if you can't find quality, inexpensive (or free) development tools for OS X, you're not looking very hard. I have no reason to look for it, so I wouldn't know that, and I'm not going to participate in this discussion any further on the reflector. It's way off topic... 73! Paul WW2PT [snip] Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New Firmware Release!
capobs wrote: All of my parameter numbers provided on my TCXO data sheet went in without a hitch. But when I tried to save them to memory, I could not. I'd close this feature and then reopen it. The numbers had returned to what I'd guess were the parameters used as baseline by the factory. Not really complaining as my K3 is absolutely SUPER! Now for my question: Is this a feature [saving the TCXO parameters] something coming in the future or am I'm doing something wrong? The link to save these numbers disappears by the time I've inserted the numbers. I can't see what is on your screen, but if I'd written the program then I'd make the link to save the numbers disappear if one or more of the numbers was invalid. I have certainly had no trouble saving them, and they are all there the next time I open that part of the utility. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Firmware-Release-tp3783538p3783773.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K2 S/N 5,960 Thermistor Assembly Replacement
Hello All, I must not have bent the leads on the thermistor board enough coming out of the board, since after soldering it in, there wasn't enough room for one side of U6, I think it was. Anyway, I had to remove it and would rather replace it entirely. Looking at the WEB site, the one I see, part number E850138, is slightly different in parts than the one that came with this kit, which was E850146. Dose anyone know if E50138 work? Thanks, Ken W2GIW. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 bad TX - solved
Toni Lindén wrote: Just to let you know that spurious signals while TXing are gone ;) The problem was capasitor C3 that was soldered on PA board. That capasitor should not be there and causes an oscillation in the bias circuit. Big thanks to Frank, W4NHJ for helping me finding this out. Also thanks to everyone for other solution suggestions and help! 73 de Toni, OH2UA Is this capacitor on all K3´s? / SM2EKM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5,960 Thermistor Assembly Replacement
Ken, E850138 will contain the parts you want, but it also has a PLL crystal. Unless you want the crystal too, get E850146 which is the thermistor board and its components. Call or email Scott and he should be able to get the package to you. OTOH, it should be an easy matter to remove the 8 wires and install new ones - that board does not have thru-plated holes, so unsoldering from those pads should not be a problem. Yes, they must be bent over sharply next to the board. 73, Don W3FPR KEN wrote: Hello All, I must not have bent the leads on the thermistor board enough coming out of the board, since after soldering it in, there wasn't enough room for one side of U6, I think it was. Anyway, I had to remove it and would rather replace it entirely. Looking at the WEB site, the one I see, part number E850138, is slightly different in parts than the one that came with this kit, which was E850146. Dose anyone know if E50138 work? Thanks, Ken W2GIW. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] Firware utilities for Linux / MacOS.
This does beg a related question or two from me :). Any chance of some kind of simple, raw, open-source command line firmware loader? I do understand that many shops use licensed boot firmware for in-device programming (which would be a problem) and that having complete control over the loading process simplifies support, so if we're just SOL on this, I understand, but read on. I access all of my serial devices via a serial-to-ethernet bridge (a terminal server), and have no Windows machines. I haven't yet tried tricking the Linux K3 Utility into thinking the tcp socket to the radio is really a serial port, but with a little luck it will work. Meanwhile, not all of my machines have the necessary libraries to run k3util, nor do they always support a graphical display. The point of this message is not to ask for more features or support, but instead to point out a different philosophy of use. Most computer hardware companies ship some sort of basic Windows GUI app for configuration and tweaking. If they are generous enough to support other platforms (Thanks Elecraft!), they usually simply port that app to the other platforms. For maybe 90% of the folks out there, this is fine. How often do you really crack open the control panel for your fancy mouse? But like folks who buy kit radios and then proceed to build something slightly different with the parts, a great many folks in the Linux world are there because they want to do things a bit differently. One of the easiest ways to support this (and to actually save yourselves a lot of work :), is to provide interfaces instead of applications. Look at the number of Linux applications that are really just a GUI on top of a suite of command line tools, and you'll see what I mean. Had the Linux loader shipped as a command line utility, most Linux users would have had no trouble using it, and within two weeks, someone in the community would have made a Perl, or Tcl, or Python, or whatever GUI wrapper for it. Had it shipped as a command line utility with source code, the whole suite would probably now be available for practically every unix platform in the world, including Mac. The Unix world is all about creating custom tools by layering together simple components. It's a different philosophy from the Windows world, and a source of great flexibility and strength. Open source takes this even further: so long as we have /something/ that works, if it gets used, it will be improved, complaints will tend to go to the package maintainers rather than to the hardware companies, and kudos will go to the fine people who opened the interfaces in the first place :). Maybe I'm too close to the machine, but it feels like a win-win situation to me. Maintaining a monolithic GUI app across three platforms, OTOH, feels like an exercise in torture :). On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:59:08 -0700, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org wrote: Could we get an estimate on when the non-Windows platform K3 Utilities 1.2.9.30 will be ready? The K3_software page is a bit stale on this topic. I need to decide whether to go get a Windows laptop set up to run the RF gain calibration, and I'm sure others would like to know as well. (It's obviously not an impossible task, but not one I'd like to undertake needlessly if the release is imminent.) Leigh/WA5ZNU [snip] You're experiencing why I stopped using Apple Computers and developing software for them in 1985. They are good computers but Apple does not make it easy for developers to create software for their computers (very expensive development tools). That caused x86 and x64 based computer sales overwhelmed Apple sales as time went by. My opinion. I could be wrong. Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal
Mike, Now that you've done rf gain cal, you'll still need to adjust SMTR OF SC so that you get S9 with 50 uV and S2-3 with 1 uV. RF gain cal linearizes the dsp's internal representation, while SMTR OF SC set the actual meter indication. Try the factory defaults first. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk wrote: G'day, My results are: Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine: Subsequently: Main RX only, pre amp OFF - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2) Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss: Main RX S8 S1 Sub-RX S7 S0 No big deal but not identical. As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up a year ago or more as above. When I checked it before doing the RX gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5 S9. Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been creeping up! Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it. I assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't associated with the XG1. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Ken K3IU kenk...@cox.net To: N1JM johnn...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Firware utilities for Linux / MacOS.
Jessie Oberreuter wrote: [...] One of the easiest ways to support this (and to actually save yourselves a lot of work :), is to provide interfaces instead of applications. [...] Excellent idea! I hope Elecraft gives it serious thought and has the developers do this. The Unix world is all about creating custom tools by layering together simple components. [...] It's a software analogy of hardware design. 73, Mike ab3ap __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] S-meter calibration
Dear Wayne, I was also puzzled by this. After I finished the RX gain calibration on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV showed S8. Maybe the finish page in the K3 Utility RX calibration routine should say what the user should do now: Which CONFIG items to adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust. BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this calibration? NOR or ABS? Or does it matter? 73, Oliver Johns W6ODJ On 7 Oct 2009, at 1:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Mike, Now that you've done rf gain cal, you'll still need to adjust SMTR OF SC so that you get S9 with 50 uV and S2-3 with 1 uV. RF gain cal linearizes the dsp's internal representation, while SMTR OF SC set the actual meter indication. Try the factory defaults first. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk wrote: G'day, My results are: Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine: Subsequently: Main RX only, pre amp OFF - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2) Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss: Main RX S8 S1 Sub-RX S7 S0 No big deal but not identical. As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up a year ago or more as above. When I checked it before doing the RX gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5 S9. Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been creeping up! Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it. I assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't associated with the XG1. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Ken K3IU kenk...@cox.net To: N1JM johnn...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New Firmware Release!
Hi, Jim! The TCXO screen has a number of edit controls which are text boxes that you type numbers into. The Apply button is enabled (not dimmed out) whenever any of the edit controls have a value that is different from the value read from the radio, and all the edit controls contain valid data. The K3 Utility accepts only certain characters to be entered into the edit controls, and there are range checks on each of the controls, to avoid wildly incorrect values (off by a factor of 10, for example). If you change an edit control and move to another control (by tabbing to another control or clicking some other button), the K3 Utility validates the text you've entered. If any edit control contains invalid data, the Apply button is disabled (dimmed). If you leave an edit control that contains invalid data, the utility beeps a bit to alert you, and the Apply button at the bottom of the page will be disabled. If you go back and correct the invalid edit control, the apply button should become enabled again. I'd recommend you change a few items at a time, and save (press the Apply button) after entering one or two just to see how that works. The ten Frequency Delta (ppm) edit controls expect a number between +9.99 and -9.99. You don't have to enter a + sign, it's assumed. The controls expect no more than two decimal places. 0.25 is fine, 0.250 is not accepted. I've only seen a couple of TCXO data sheets, but when I wrote the code I assumed that the PPM value would be specified to two decimal places. Is your TCXO data sheet different? Thanks, Dick, K6KR Jim wrote: All of my parameter numbers provided on my TCXO data sheet went in without a hitch. But when I tried to save them to memory, I could not. I'd close this feature and then reopen it. The numbers had returned to what I'd guess were the parameters used as baseline by the factory. Now for my question: Is this a feature [saving the TCXO parameters] something coming in the future or am I'm doing something wrong? The link to save these numbers disappears by the time I've inserted the numbers. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Fw: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
mark roz wrote: Went back to 3.30 and LOW FREQ resp. is about the same. Anybody else? --- On Tue, 10/6/09, mark roz anegadas...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark roz anegadas...@yahoo.com Subject: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 5:15 PM K3 set to DSP width 4kHz and I'm using very good headphones. No difference with low freq. response. What is the problem? Mark __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fw-New-3-41-IMPROVED-RX-LOW-FREQUENCY-RESPONSE-in-AM-SSB-CW-MODES-tp3778976p3784623.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Fw: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
In AM receive I don't see any difference with previous (3.30) release. The 50 Hz RX EQ slider has no effect as before. I haven't measured it, but the Low cutoff still seems to be ~100 Hz. I notice in AM, with SHIFT=1.50,LO=0.00and width=5.00 the HI shows 4 Khz. I don't understand that. If I set SHIFT=1.7 then the HI goes to 4.2 Khz. In AM I have the FM filter selected. Tom mark roz wrote: Went back to 3.30 and LOW FREQ resp. is about the same. Anybody else? --- On Tue, 10/6/09, mark roz anegadas...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark roz anegadas...@yahoo.com Subject: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 5:15 PM K3 set to DSP width 4kHz and I'm using very good headphones. No difference with low freq. response. What is the problem? Mark __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fw-New-3-41-IMPROVED-RX-LOW-FREQUENCY-RESPONSE-in-AM-SSB-CW-MODES-tp3778976p3784671.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Fw: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
Shift + Width/2 = High Best regards, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Fw: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
Thanks Dick, I can see Shift + Width/2 = High is true for SSB, but not for AM (i.e. double sideband). It is not obvious why in AM the HI cut is 1 Khz less than the Width. There is no setting of SHIFT/WIDTH/LO which indicates HI = 5 Khz. I was under the assumption a 5 Khz width implied +/- 5 Khz from the carrier which implies the highest AF component is 5Khz. What does the nominal shift =1.5 imply for AM ? I would think, nominally, the roofing and DSP filters would be capable of zero shift (i.e., centered on the carrier) in AM. To me, the WIDTH,SHIFT and HI values are inconsistent for AM. Tnx Tom Edward Dickinson, III-2 wrote: Shift + Width/2 = High Best regards, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fw-New-3-41-IMPROVED-RX-LOW-FREQUENCY-RESPONSE-in-AM-SSB-CW-MODES-tp3778976p3784960.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration
Turn the RF gain full cw and see if the S Meter is acting normal. Oliver Johns wrote: Dear Wayne, I was also puzzled by this. After I finished the RX gain calibration on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV showed S8. Maybe the finish page in the K3 Utility RX calibration routine should say what the user should do now: Which CONFIG items to adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust. BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this calibration? NOR or ABS? Or does it matter? 73, Oliver Johns W6ODJ On 7 Oct 2009, at 1:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Mike, Now that you've done rf gain cal, you'll still need to adjust SMTR OF SC so that you get S9 with 50 uV and S2-3 with 1 uV. RF gain cal linearizes the dsp's internal representation, while SMTR OF SC set the actual meter indication. Try the factory defaults first. 73, Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Oct 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk wrote: G'day, My results are: Source - XG1, RX gain calibration per the utility routine: Subsequently: Main RX only, pre amp OFF - 50uV (S9), 1uV (S2) Sub-RX ON therefore splitter loss: Main RX S8 S1 Sub-RX S7 S0 No big deal but not identical. As a matter of interest, the S-meter on the main RX had been set up a year ago or more as above. When I checked it before doing the RX gain calibration I discovered that the 1uV and 50uV figures were S5 S9. Little wonder I thought the local noise level had been creeping up! Maybe after playing with the AGC parameters a re-cal of the S-meter is required, maybe not, but something altered it. I assume that given the 50uV S9 setting was correct then it isn't associated with the XG1. Regards, Mike VP8NO - Original Message - From: Ken K3IU kenk...@cox.net To: N1JM johnn...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Sub RX S-meter cal The S-meter Cal procedure in the manual worked up until about v.3.15 or so. Now I am pretty sure that it was NOT separately adjusting the SubRx S-meter, but I never checked, so I'm not sure. It doesn't really matter now. I have determined that, at least on my K3 (#202) running v3.41 et al, after running the RF Gain Calibration procedure and setting the MAIN Rx S-meter, the Sub Rx S-meter is spot on. It actually follows the adjustment for the Main Rx S-meter, i.e., set Main Rx at an extreme and the Sub Rx shows the exact same extreme. So... it looks to me like there is no reason to have a separate adjustment for the SubRx S-meter. I'm sure the manual will catch up. 73, Ken K3IU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - Dan AB3EN -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/S-meter-calibration-tp3784377p3784961.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Fw: New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
Tom, For AM, the K3 shows the audio channel width, not the IF width. Add to that, the upper audio frequency on the K3 is limited to about 4 kHz. The IF width of an AM signal is twice the audio channel width. In other words, reception of AM with a 4 kHz audio channel requires an IF channel at least 8 kHz wide. You are getting more with the FM filter than you would with the 6 kHz AM filter - if you were using the 6 kHz filter the audio bandwidth would be constrained to about 3 kHz even though you could set the DSP high frequency to 4 kHz. You may have to increase the value of the coupling capacitors in the audio output of the K3 to hear the lower bass response better. 73, Don W3FPR TomB W1PKX wrote: In AM receive I don't see any difference with previous (3.30) release. The 50 Hz RX EQ slider has no effect as before. I haven't measured it, but the Low cutoff still seems to be ~100 Hz. I notice in AM, with SHIFT=1.50,LO=0.00and width=5.00 the HI shows 4 Khz. I don't understand that. If I set SHIFT=1.7 then the HI goes to 4.2 Khz. In AM I have the FM filter selected. Tom __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
To me there is no difference between 3.30 and 3.41. Same low freq. response. However, for my needs it is OK. Yes, I'm adjusting shift and width. There is one problem with the new 3.41- the DSP high pitch noise level is higher (3dB or so) than with 3.30. Condition: RF gain at 12 o'clock AF set for normal listening level with good headphones. Antenna switch is being used to ground the antenna. Listen to the band noise on 20 or 17m and ground the antenna. Now compare internal DSP noise to band noise by using antenna switch Do the above with 3.30 and than 3.41. My K3 SN is above 3000. I like 3.30 and I'm hoping that DSP gain distribution/noise level in future firmware will be the same as in 3.30. There is also difference in DSP gain between 3.30 and 3.41. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K2/100
For sale: Elecraft K2/100 (Serial #: 1933) with SSB and Noise Blanker Modules. Aligned by Alan Wilcox (W3DVX). Will also include the unassembled KAT-100, assembled QRP tuner (KAT-2) and the MH2 hand microphone. I have the manuals and receipts and I'm the original builder. The reason I am selling it is to fund the purchase of a K3/100. If you're interested, send an email to *tonykj5xf at gmail dot com * and I can send detailed pictures of it. $1100 + shipping (CONUSA only) 73, Tony Lyon (KJ5XF) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] New 3.41 IMPROVED RX LOW-FREQUENCY RESPONSE in AM/SSB/CW MODES
Lyle and I will discuss your findings, retest the passband and get back to you. However, I'm virtually certain that 3.41 is vastly different from 3.30, as others have noted, so this is a mystery. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 7, 2009, at 4:14 PM, mark roz wrote: To me there is no difference between 3.30 and 3.41. Same low freq. response. However, for my needs it is OK. Yes, I'm adjusting shift and width __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration
We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3. Having verified this, you can if desired set SMTR MD to ABS, which is independent of the preamp and attenuator settings. The OF and SC values may need further tweaking in this case. Regarding SMTR MD: It can be set to either ABS or NOR at the time the RF GAIN cal procedure is run. The menu S-meter settings have no bearing on the DSP's internal calibration process. They are only used to set up the S-meter readings per the user's preference. I'm verifying this with Lyle and will get back to you if I'm wrong :) Lyle is on vacation and a bit hard to ready. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:51 PM, O. Johns wrote: Dear Wayne, I was also puzzled by this. After I finished the RX gain calibration on the main receiver (no sub-receiver installed), the XG-2 at 50 uV showed S8. Maybe the finish page in the K3 Utility RX calibration routine should say what the user should do now: Which CONFIG items to adjust and, if any, which ones NOT to adjust. BTW, what should the CONFIG:SMTR MD be set to during this calibration? NOR or ABS? Or does it matter? 73, Oliver Johns W6ODJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration
I'm verifying this with Lyle and will get back to you if I'm wrong :) Lyle is on vacation and a bit hard to reach. Lyle believes this is correct, too! 73, Lyle KK7P/7 (in Cottonwood, AZ) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] 3.41
The sound quialty is great. The two modes I have tested are SSB and AM. The range has more dynamics to it. Even with heavey narrowing the sound detail is all there. My roofing filters are: 13,6,2.8,2.1 and 500. All, even 500 are eight pole. I did change my filter config. . I only use the AM filter for double band SSB. Go figure why I would use an AM filter for AM. Besides the 2.8 does not cut in until the DSP gets to 2.0. That is some bad sounding AM. Just think guys at Elecraft what sync. AM would do for the K3 now. Here is one for you all with the subreceiver. Frist you must use stero. Put both VFOs in the same band, where you find an AM station. Find a hard to hear station, say using AM. The put both at that station. Switch modes, one USB, the other LSB. Tune each one till the station sounds the way you want. My old Yeasu MP is the source of that one. 73 N6XVT. Karl Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode
Has anyone noticed that ATU TUNE does not work (properly) when in DATA A Split mode? The relays clatter for about three seconds but no RF is produced and no SWR reading is resolved. If I drop Split, ATU TUNE works fine. I'd appreciate if someone else could verify if their K3 is behaving the same way. FW is 03.41. Thanks. P.S. ATU TUNE Split mode works FB in AFSK A and FSK D. Split is N/A in PSK D. Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ATU-TUNE-does-not-work-in-DATA-A-Split-mode-tp3785489p3785489.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode
I can confirm this behavior. In Data A mode split, no (or very, very little) rf out. Exit split mode and get ~5w during tune. Also, when the TUNE (not atu tune) button is pressed, the display which normally shows swr displays -- and power reads 0.0. When you hit the tune button again to exit ERR TXG is displayed. FW 3.41. Rob NV5E Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:30:06 -0700 From: ae...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode Has anyone noticed that ATU TUNE does not work (properly) when in DATA A Split mode? The relays clatter for about three seconds but no RF is produced and no SWR reading is resolved. If I drop Split, ATU TUNE works fine. I'd appreciate if someone else could verify if their K3 is behaving the same way. FW is 03.41. Thanks. P.S. ATU TUNE Split mode works FB in AFSK A and FSK D. Split is N/A in PSK D. Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ATU-TUNE-does-not-work-in-DATA-A-Split-mode-tp3785489p3785489.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode
Chuck - AE4CW wrote: Has anyone noticed that ATU TUNE does not work (properly) when in DATA A Split mode? The relays clatter for about three seconds but no RF is produced and no SWR reading is resolved. If I drop Split, ATU TUNE works fine. I'd appreciate if someone else could verify if their K3 is behaving the same way. FW is 03.41. Thanks. P.S. ATU TUNE Split mode works FB in AFSK A and FSK D. Split is N/A in PSK D. Chuck, AE4CW I see it too on 3.41 Tried 3.23 just for fun, same thing. 73, Bill N2BC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 utility 1.2.9.30
Hi List I downloaded the latest 1.2.9.30 utility for the K3. Unfortunately It will not talk to the K3. I am using the Kusb from Elecraft, it has worked in the past. I've tried all combinations of baud rate without success. The USB adapter appears to work with my logging programs. The Utility states that it is polling the K3 and that's it. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Bob NQ3N __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration
Typo. I meant to say SMTR NOR in the paragraph below. Wayne Wayne Burdick wrote: We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration
Thank you, Wayne. I just switched back. I will rerun the calibration tomorrow based on your advice. I had done so earlier without reading this and I did not follow the recommended process exactly as I had ordered my unit factory assembled. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods ATS-3B -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:28 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] S-meter calibration Typo. I meant to say SMTR NOR in the paragraph below. Wayne Wayne Burdick wrote: We're going to add a final instruction to K3 Utility explaining that SMTR OF and SC must be adjusted after running RF GAIN calibration. I suggest doing this with SMTR MD = ABS, preamp ON. Under these conditions you should be able to set SMTR OF and SC such that 50 uV produces an S9 reading, and 1 uV results in S2 to S3. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode
How are you getting split in data A? When I push SPLIT I get SPL N/A. Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Chuck - AE4CW ae...@att.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: [Elecraft] ATU TUNE does not work in DATA A Split mode Has anyone noticed that ATU TUNE does not work (properly) when in DATA A Split mode? The relays clatter for about three seconds but no RF is produced and no SWR reading is resolved. If I drop Split, ATU TUNE works fine. I'd appreciate if someone else could verify if their K3 is behaving the same way. FW is 03.41. Thanks. P.S. ATU TUNE Split mode works FB in AFSK A and FSK D. Split is N/A in PSK D. Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ATU-TUNE-does-not-work-in-DATA-A-Split-mode-tp3785489p3785489.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
