Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3A without Xverters, sub receiver or P3

2010-04-07 Thread Bill W4ZV


Jack Regan-2 wrote:
 
 If I do not have a sub receiver, Xverter or a P3 is there any reason to
 install a KXV3A?
 
  
 
 The only thing I could come up with was the possiblty to use seperate
 transmit and receive antennas under certain conditions.
 

That's about it Jack...but one other possibility is to use the RX OUT and RX
IN ports for an external preamp (such as the PR6).  Selecting RX ANT would
route the signal from the K3, to the preamp and then back into the K3.  You
would never risk transmitting RF into the preamp that way.

73,  Bill

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[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread Sam Morgan
I want to use both my K3 and my K2
at the same time, on the same frequency and antenna.
I wish to TX and RX on the K3.
I also wish to use my K2,
which has a softrock being use with PowerSDR/IF as a panadapter,
as just that, a panadapter on the same frequency using the same antenna.

I'm sure this is a relatively simple thing to do,
but my aging gray matter just switches to the
'you want to do wat?' mode
and I end up in an endless loop of
how to connect all this
and not hurt any of the equipment involved.

All physical connections are with serial cables to a desktop rig.
I have both HRD 5.0 and DXLabs, but prefer using HRD.
I use PowerSDR/IF for the panadapter display.

I have heard of some virtual serial ports or bridges,
but am clueless as to what, which, or how to involve it/them.

TIA

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread Sam Morgan
For got to include, the K3 is a bare bones QRP model with NO KXV3A or KAT3

Sam Morgan wrote:
 I want to use both my K3 and my K2
 at the same time, on the same frequency and antenna.
 I wish to TX and RX on the K3.
 I also wish to use my K2,
 which has a softrock being use with PowerSDR/IF as a panadapter,
 as just that, a panadapter on the same frequency using the same antenna.
 
 I'm sure this is a relatively simple thing to do,
 but my aging gray matter just switches to the
 'you want to do wat?' mode
 and I end up in an endless loop of
 how to connect all this
 and not hurt any of the equipment involved.
 
 All physical connections are with serial cables to a desktop rig.
 I have both HRD 5.0 and DXLabs, but prefer using HRD.
 I use PowerSDR/IF for the panadapter display.
 
 I have heard of some virtual serial ports or bridges,
 but am clueless as to what, which, or how to involve it/them.
 
 TIA
 


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K5OAI
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[Elecraft] [K3] P3 and hardware updates

2010-04-07 Thread Gary, W7TEA

My K3 (#1001) has performed flawlessly so I've not found reason to install
the various hardware updates--or since I do not feel comfortable working
with SMT, had the updates installed.  Is there any wisdom or information
regarding whether any of these modifications are necessary for the proper
operation of the P3 when it appears?  I could wait of course but will be
driving thru Aptos within the month and can drop the rig off for repair if
necessary.

Gary W7TEA

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Sam,

To listen with both the K2 and K3 at the same time and with the same 
antenna, You could use something external to the K3 - think SO2R setup, 
or at least a subset of SO2R.

With the KXV3, there is the RX ANT Out connector - but that is only 
connected to the antenna when the RX ANT is selected.  With a 3 dB 
splitter placed there, you could connect one splitter output to RX ANT 
IN and the other splitter output to the K2.  You would loose 3 dB in 
each receiver, but that may not be a problem for the application you are 
trying to use.  On the K3, you can quickly recover that 3 dB by taking 
it out of RX ANT with a button tap - you would lose reception on the K2, 
but have full sensitivity on the K3.

I believe you would have to run 2 copies of HRD, one to control the K3 
and another to control the K2 - I don't know how you get two instances 
of HRD to track frequency wise, so that is for you to solve.  Yes, 
LP-Bridge *may* be helpful, but in any case, you will need two physical 
serial ports, one for the K2 and one for the K3, LP-Bridge does not 
split on the K3 side, only on the application side.

73,
Don W3FPR

Sam Morgan wrote:
 I want to use both my K3 and my K2
 at the same time, on the same frequency and antenna.
 I wish to TX and RX on the K3.
 I also wish to use my K2,
 which has a softrock being use with PowerSDR/IF as a panadapter,
 as just that, a panadapter on the same frequency using the same antenna.

 I'm sure this is a relatively simple thing to do,
 but my aging gray matter just switches to the
 'you want to do wat?' mode
 and I end up in an endless loop of
 how to connect all this
 and not hurt any of the equipment involved.

 All physical connections are with serial cables to a desktop rig.
 I have both HRD 5.0 and DXLabs, but prefer using HRD.
 I use PowerSDR/IF for the panadapter display.

 I have heard of some virtual serial ports or bridges,
 but am clueless as to what, which, or how to involve it/them.

 TIA
   

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[Elecraft] 64 bit prolific driver for Snow Leopard

2010-04-07 Thread David Christ
FYI  May be old news, but i stumbled across this driver posted two weeks ago.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/drivers/prolificpl2303driverfor64bitmacosx.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread David Cutter
Sam

Is one of your aims to achieve diversity reception?  If so, I don't think 
you can with 2 separate receivers like this.

David
G3UNA



I want to use both my K3 and my K2
 at the same time, on the same frequency and antenna.
 I wish to TX and RX on the K3.
 I also wish to use my K2,
 which has a softrock being use with PowerSDR/IF as a panadapter,
 as just that, a panadapter on the same frequency using the same antenna.

 I'm sure this is a relatively simple thing to do,
 but my aging gray matter just switches to the
 'you want to do wat?' mode
 and I end up in an endless loop of
 how to connect all this
 and not hurt any of the equipment involved.

 All physical connections are with serial cables to a desktop rig.
 I have both HRD 5.0 and DXLabs, but prefer using HRD.
 I use PowerSDR/IF for the panadapter display.

 I have heard of some virtual serial ports or bridges,
 but am clueless as to what, which, or how to involve it/them.

 TIA

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 K5OAI
 Sam Morgan
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread Sam Morgan
David Cutter wrote:
 Sam
 
 Is one of your aims to achieve diversity reception?  If so, I don't 
 think you can with 2 separate receivers like this.
 
No, I want to use the K3 for TX and RX
I only want to use the K2 for the Panadapter display
that I already have have setup on the k2
using the K2/Z-1/Softrock/PowerSDR/IF

I don't care to listen to the RX of the K2
only use the IF out of the K2 for the panadapter

the big trick is to make all this track together
as well as use the same antenna,
with out hurting the K2 when I transmit with the K3

In other words I have my original K2 with panadapter display working.

Now I have broke the bank and bought a K3/10
and some how want the best of both worldsm
until (6-12mo from now) when
I can out fit the K3 for it's own panadapter display.

hope I am making sense, it's confusing to me as well :-(
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] P3 and hardware updates

2010-04-07 Thread Matt Zilmer
Gary,

There is one mod that raises the IF output (by 10 dB?).  I believe
this mod was developed specifically for panadapters and should be in
place to use the P3.  That statement isn't in the mod notes, it's from
my memory.

matt W6NIA
K3 #24


On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:35:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote:


My K3 (#1001) has performed flawlessly so I've not found reason to install
the various hardware updates--or since I do not feel comfortable working
with SMT, had the updates installed.  Is there any wisdom or information
regarding whether any of these modifications are necessary for the proper
operation of the P3 when it appears?  I could wait of course but will be
driving thru Aptos within the month and can drop the rig off for repair if
necessary.

Gary W7TEA

-
73,

Gary W7TEA  K3 #1001
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup?

2010-04-07 Thread David F. Reed
Sam,

Why not just adapt the Softrock to the K3's IF output?

You would get what you are looking for with less complexity...

--Dave, W5SV

Sam Morgan wrote:
 David Cutter wrote:
   
 Sam

 Is one of your aims to achieve diversity reception?  If so, I don't 
 think you can with 2 separate receivers like this.

 
 No, I want to use the K3 for TX and RX
 I only want to use the K2 for the Panadapter display
 that I already have have setup on the k2
 using the K2/Z-1/Softrock/PowerSDR/IF

 I don't care to listen to the RX of the K2
 only use the IF out of the K2 for the panadapter

 the big trick is to make all this track together
 as well as use the same antenna,
 with out hurting the K2 when I transmit with the K3

 In other words I have my original K2 with panadapter display working.

 Now I have broke the bank and bought a K3/10
 and some how want the best of both worldsm
 until (6-12mo from now) when
 I can out fit the K3 for it's own panadapter display.

 hope I am making sense, it's confusing to me as well :-(
   
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Re: [Elecraft] 64 bit prolific driver for Snow Leopard

2010-04-07 Thread lstavenhagen

Interesting doesn't load at all for me on my Macbook Pro (10.6.3) in
either 32 or 64 bit mode. The original driver off Sourceforge (0.3.1, 10.4
Universal) works fine tho. 
Could be my adapter, a Bill-n-Ted's Excellent USB-RS232 from BestBuy. But
I'd think it'd be the same chipset and should work... 

Not a big deal to me since I only care if it works at all hi hi. But if
anyone else notices this or if there's some other trick needed to get this
one to work, post it here and I'll have a go.

L
slooowly-remembering-why-computers-and-amateur-radio-dont-mix-for-him-hi-hi
S
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[Elecraft] K3 Split option idea

2010-04-07 Thread Richard Zwirko
I wonder what other K3 users think about having this SPLIT option available
on the K3. Like many K3 users,  chase DX stations and DXpeditions. Many of
them working split, listening on a different frequency. With many radios
that I have used, when a band switch is made, not only are both the 'A' and
'B' VFO FREQUENCIES stored for each band, but they also retain the SPLIT
/NON-SPLIT conditions for that band. When chasing multiple DX stations,
often switching between between bands, I have to remember to hold in the
SPLIT button each time I change between bands. If I forget, I get 'reminded'
by the KHz Cops. Am I the only one?

Would it be possible to allow K3 users to have the capability of  retaining
the SPLIT condition on each band, if desired, with a menu option?

If there is concern about accidentally going back to a band and forgetting
that the radio is still in the split mode, how about having a blinking SPLIT
icon?  I know that the blinking SPLIT icon is used to warn of the 2 VFOs
being set to different modes and that the yellow LED is on when there is a
difference between RX and TX frequencies. How about the idea of the SPLIT
icon blinking when the K3 is in the SPLIT mode on instead.

Thoughts/Comments?

73,
Rich - K1HTV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Split option idea

2010-04-07 Thread Ted Roycraft
That option to save the split state per band is already there.  Turn  
SPLT SV to YES.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/7/2010 12:01 PM, Richard Zwirko wrote:
 I wonder what other K3 users think about having this SPLIT option available
 on the K3. Like many K3 users,  chase DX stations and DXpeditions. Many of
 them working split, listening on a different frequency. With many radios
 that I have used, when a band switch is made, not only are both the 'A' and
 'B' VFO FREQUENCIES stored for each band, but they also retain the SPLIT
 /NON-SPLIT conditions for that band. When chasing multiple DX stations,
 often switching between between bands, I have to remember to hold in the
 SPLIT button each time I change between bands. If I forget, I get 'reminded'
 by the KHz Cops. Am I the only one?

 Would it be possible to allow K3 users to have the capability of  retaining
 the SPLIT condition on each band, if desired, with a menu option?

 If there is concern about accidentally going back to a band and forgetting
 that the radio is still in the split mode, how about having a blinking SPLIT
 icon?  I know that the blinking SPLIT icon is used to warn of the 2 VFOs
 being set to different modes and that the yellow LED is on when there is a
 difference between RX and TX frequencies. How about the idea of the SPLIT
 icon blinking when the K3 is in the SPLIT mode on instead.

 Thoughts/Comments?

 73,
 Rich - K1HTV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Split option idea

2010-04-07 Thread Rich - K1HTV
Many Thanks Ted. Guess after the many reads of TFM I still missed it :-).

I'm heading off to my K3 to set the SPLIT option now. Thanks again.

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = = 

-Original Message-
From: Ted Roycraft [mailto:w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:11 PM
To: Richard Zwirko
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Split option idea

That option to save the split state per band is already there.  Turn SPLT SV
to YES.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/7/2010 12:01 PM, Richard Zwirko wrote:
 I wonder what other K3 users think about having this SPLIT option 
 available on the K3. Like many K3 users,  chase DX stations and 
 DXpeditions. Many of them working split, listening on a different 
 frequency. With many radios that I have used, when a band switch is 
 made, not only are both the 'A' and 'B' VFO FREQUENCIES stored for 
 each band, but they also retain the SPLIT /NON-SPLIT conditions for 
 that band. When chasing multiple DX stations, often switching between 
 between bands, I have to remember to hold in the SPLIT button each time I
change between bands. If I forget, I get 'reminded'
 by the KHz Cops. Am I the only one?

 Would it be possible to allow K3 users to have the capability of  
 retaining the SPLIT condition on each band, if desired, with a menu option?

 If there is concern about accidentally going back to a band and 
 forgetting that the radio is still in the split mode, how about having 
 a blinking SPLIT icon?  I know that the blinking SPLIT icon is used to 
 warn of the 2 VFOs being set to different modes and that the yellow 
 LED is on when there is a difference between RX and TX frequencies. 
 How about the idea of the SPLIT icon blinking when the K3 is in the SPLIT mode
on instead.

 Thoughts/Comments?

 73,
 Rich - K1HTV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3A without Xverters, sub receiver or P3

2010-04-07 Thread Alan Bloom
Also, the RX IN connector is very handy as a way to inject a test signal
without worrying about blowing up your signal generator if you transmit
by accident.

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 02:29 -0800, Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
 Jack Regan-2 wrote:
  
  If I do not have a sub receiver, Xverter or a P3 is there any reason to
  install a KXV3A?
  
   
  
  The only thing I could come up with was the possiblty to use seperate
  transmit and receive antennas under certain conditions.
  
 
 That's about it Jack...but one other possibility is to use the RX OUT and RX
 IN ports for an external preamp (such as the PR6).  Selecting RX ANT would
 route the signal from the K3, to the preamp and then back into the K3.  You
 would never risk transmitting RF into the preamp that way.
 
 73,  Bill
 


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Re: [Elecraft] 64 bit prolific driver for Snow Leopard

2010-04-07 Thread Bill K9YEQ
After having numerous issues with drivers and listening to suggestions on
website, I found two of my cheapies failed!  They weren't that old but the
chips headed to the poles.  I stepped up to the plate and bought new brand
name chips, the Elecraft with with the prolific chip, and a Keyspan which is
to me the best device out there.  

Good luck.

Bill
K9YEQ
K2 and KX1 field tester, K3 and modules
-Original Message-

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 64 bit prolific driver for Snow Leopard


Interesting doesn't load at all for me on my Macbook Pro (10.6.3) in
either 32 or 64 bit mode. The original driver off Sourceforge (0.3.1, 10.4
Universal) works fine tho. 
Could be my adapter, a Bill-n-Ted's Excellent USB-RS232 from BestBuy. But
I'd think it'd be the same chipset and should work... 

Not a big deal to me since I only care if it works at all hi hi. But if
anyone else notices this or if there's some other trick needed to get this
one to work, post it here and I'll have a go.

L

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KXV3A without Xverters, sub receiver or P3

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Scott
You can also use the KAT3 to provide two antenna connectors for diversity
(with a sub receiver), with the main Rx on ANT1 and the sub Rx on ANT2 if
you've decided not to invest in a KXV3A.

This is my set up. I have a vertical on antenna 2 and inverted V on antenna
1. I can tell immediately which polarization is working by ear. Then with
one push of the ANT switch you can switch to the best polarization if
needed. To hear the difference requires the AGC to be set up to not have a
flat response.

Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
NAQCC 3535
K3-100 #508 / KX1  #1311


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[Elecraft] K3 Memory Editor (PC application): looking for testers

2010-04-07 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

Our PC software engineer, Dick (K6KR--not to be confused with N6KR :)  
has completed the first release of the K3 Frequency Memory Editor. It  
is Windows-only at present, but we hope to provide Mac and Linux  
versions in the future.

This application helps you maintain your K3's frequency memories using  
a spreadsheet-like editor. It handles all regular memories (00-99)  
and, optionally, per-band quick-memories (M1-M4 for each band). Once  
you've sent the data to the K3, you can recall memories using either  
the MV switch on the K3's front panel, or the editor's QSY buttons.  
You can even save sets of memories in PC files and share them with  
other K3 users. This might be useful for setting up multiple K3s for a  
contest, etc.

At present the spreadsheet allows display/edit of VFO A and B  
frequencies and modes, repeater offsets and tones, the 5-character  
memory label, and a larger description field. Unused (blank) memories  
can be hidden or displayed. We'll add more data fields in future  
releases, along with cut/paste capability.

If you're interested in testing this early release of the memory  
editor, please email me directly (n6kr at elecraft dot com). To use  
it, you'll also need to install the latest field-test K3 firmware,  
which I'll send you, along with full instructions and release notes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter, setup?

2010-04-07 Thread Larry Phipps
You could use one of the Output ports in LP-Bridge to drive the K2. 
It's a one-way port, but the K2 should follow the K3 in this mode. You 
will need a null modem adapter at the PC end of the cable to reverse the 
serial lines. The K2 end uses custom wiring as shown in the manual. Set 
the K2 to 4800 baud. 73, Larry N8LP Message: 19 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 
10:07:33 -0400 From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: 
[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 with K2 as station panadapter setup? To: Sam 
Morgan k5oai@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 4bbc91a5.4030...@embarqmail.com 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sam, To 
listen with both the K2 and K3 at the same time and with the same 
antenna, You could use something external to the K3 - think SO2R setup, 
or at least a subset of SO2R. With the KXV3, there is the RX ANT Out 
connector - but that is only connected to the antenna when the RX ANT is 
selected. With a 3 dB splitter placed there, you could connect one 
splitter output to RX ANT IN and the other splitter output to the K2. 
You would loose 3 dB in each receiver, but that may not be a problem for 
the application you are trying to use. On the K3, you can quickly 
recover that 3 dB by taking it out of RX ANT with a button tap - you 
would lose reception on the K2, but have full sensitivity on the K3. I 
believe you would have to run 2 copies of HRD, one to control the K3 and 
another to control the K2 - I don't know how you get two instances of 
HRD to track frequency wise, so that is for you to solve. Yes, LP-Bridge 
*may* be helpful, but in any case, you will need two physical serial 
ports, one for the K2 and one for the K3, LP-Bridge does not split on 
the K3 side, only on the application side. 73, Don W3FPR Sam Morgan wrote:

  I want to use both my K3 and my K2
  at the same time, on the same frequency and antenna.
  I wish to TX and RX on the K3.
  I also wish to use my K2,
  which has a softrock being use with PowerSDR/IF as a panadapter,
  as just that, a panadapter on the same frequency using the same antenna.
 
  I'm sure this is a relatively simple thing to do,
  but my aging gray matter just switches to the
  'you want to do wat?' mode
  and I end up in an endless loop of
  how to connect all this
  and not hurt any of the equipment involved.
 
  All physical connections are with serial cables to a desktop rig.
  I have both HRD 5.0 and DXLabs, but prefer using HRD.
  I use PowerSDR/IF for the panadapter display.
 
  I have heard of some virtual serial ports or bridges,
  but am clueless as to what, which, or how to involve it/them.
 
  TIA

 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] 64 bit prolific driver for Snow Leopard

2010-04-07 Thread lstavenhagen

I probably just don't have the kext installed right. Trying to brute force it
from bash with kextload yeilds errors related to authentication/permissions. 
So it's most likely neither the driver's nor the adapter's fault and more
likely just mine hi hi. I'm not that skilled with kext's, so that stands to
reason

73,
LS
W5QD
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: The knack

2010-04-07 Thread KARL MARDERIAN
Great, real fun! Thanks N6XVT 73
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Don Rasmussen wrote:

 This one might hit close to home. ;-)
 
 http://www.zerobeat.net/wb8yqj/TheKnack1.mpg
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Editor (PC application): looking for testers

2010-04-07 Thread Lance Collister
This could be pretty handy for us to pass around memory files for 6m  
indicators 
;-)  VY 73, Lance

On 4/7/2010 5:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Hi all,

 Our PC software engineer, Dick (K6KR--not to be confused with N6KR :)
 has completed the first release of the K3 Frequency Memory Editor. It
 is Windows-only at present, but we hope to provide Mac and Linux
 versions in the future.

 This application helps you maintain your K3's frequency memories using
 a spreadsheet-like editor. It handles all regular memories (00-99)
 and, optionally, per-band quick-memories (M1-M4 for each band). Once
 you've sent the data to the K3, you can recall memories using either
 the MV switch on the K3's front panel, or the editor's QSY buttons.
 You can even save sets of memories in PC files and share them with
 other K3 users. This might be useful for setting up multiple K3s for a
 contest, etc.

 At present the spreadsheet allows display/edit of VFO A and B
 frequencies and modes, repeater offsets and tones, the 5-character
 memory label, and a larger description field. Unused (blank) memories
 can be hidden or displayed. We'll add more data fields in future
 releases, along with cut/paste capability.

 If you're interested in testing this early release of the memory
 editor, please email me directly (n6kr at elecraft dot com). To use
 it, you'll also need to install the latest field-test K3 firmware,
 which I'll send you, along with full instructions and release notes.

 73,
 Wayne
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[Elecraft] Elecraft W2

2010-04-07 Thread David Robertson
Everyone,

I am sending this to the forum as well as Elecraft support for everyone's 
information.

After receiving and assembling the W2 I decided to look inside the 1-2000 HF 
head to see what is there. Clearly impressed I reinstalled
the cover to the head and hooked it up to the station. when I first applied RF 
to the W2 head I had no power indication. The main unit booted up fine and all 
cables were properly connect according to the diagram on the case of the 
sensor. I decided to look again inside the sensor head and discovered that the 
removable part of the sensor head case had the label which could be reinstalled 
backward (which I did). I reassembled the sensor head case and hooked it up 
correctly and everything worked fine.

Elecraft, I would suggest that on future sensor head units the label should be 
placed on the outer shell of the case. That way if someone opens it up they 
cannot disturb the orientation of the label with regard to the internal PC 
board.

For those of you already owning a W2, I would suggest you mark the outer shell 
of the case of the sensor head with input and output labels or markings to be 
sure the removable part of the case is reinstalled properly.

73
Dave KD1NA
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[Elecraft] Elcraft W2 Sensor Head

2010-04-07 Thread Dave Jeanne Robertson
Thanks David. The PCB inside does have the LOAD and INPUT connectors labeled.

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Elecraft Technical Support  
Gary, you are right, but if you forget to look at the PC Board,it is easy to 
put the cover on backwords.73Dave KD1NA
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[Elecraft] Using Buddi Pole Deluxe Antenna with K3

2010-04-07 Thread KC2VNI

I have just gotten my radio set up thanks to W3DVX. It has both the internal
ATU and 100W power amp options in it. I was wondering if any of you have
some tips on how to operate a Buddi Pole Deluxe antenna system? If you have
any suggestions or some past experience, please advise.

Here are some of my questions:

1) Do you set the frequency 1st on the front of the radio AND then activate
the tuner?

2) The antenna is rated for 250W. I would assume that this means it's okay
to use the full 100W from the amp but I am concerned about the effects of
SWR.

3) I was wondering if I'll get better results using the antenna as a
vertical or do I want to try it on horizontal dipole (I believe you get
about 16 feet of height above grade).

4) I was wondering if any one has had experience with the Buddipole on SSB?

Please advise with whatever opinions you may have. Please know that I
recognize I'm probably not going to get more than say NVIS type of
propagation with this type of set-up (since I'm in a relatively flat area
with no hills or the like).

73

KC2VNI-Steve

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Re: [Elecraft] Using Buddi Pole Deluxe Antenna with K3

2010-04-07 Thread George A. Thornton
I assume you have properly installed and activated the ATU.  

To operate the ATU you tune the radio to the band and frequency you
intend to use and then press ATU tune to operate the tuner.  Make sure
you have the antenna attached and selected first.  The ATU must also be
turned on.

The ATU is pretty robust and will handle an antenna with a 10:1 SWR
mismatch.  In addition, the radio has a lot of protective circuitry.

I have never actually used the buddipole but I have reviewed the manual.
There is extensive advice on setting up and configuring the antenna.

The easiest and safest way to handle this situation is to buy or borrow
an antenna analyzer.  I have the MFJ version and it works fine.  The
analyzer will allow you to make modifications and tune the antenna
precisely without risk to your expensive transceiver.



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Subject: [Elecraft] Using Buddi Pole Deluxe Antenna with K3


I have just gotten my radio set up thanks to W3DVX. It has both the
internal
ATU and 100W power amp options in it. I was wondering if any of you have
some tips on how to operate a Buddi Pole Deluxe antenna system? If you
have
any suggestions or some past experience, please advise.

Here are some of my questions:

1) Do you set the frequency 1st on the front of the radio AND then
activate
the tuner?

2) The antenna is rated for 250W. I would assume that this means it's
okay
to use the full 100W from the amp but I am concerned about the effects
of
SWR.

3) I was wondering if I'll get better results using the antenna as a
vertical or do I want to try it on horizontal dipole (I believe you get
about 16 feet of height above grade).

4) I was wondering if any one has had experience with the Buddipole on
SSB?

Please advise with whatever opinions you may have. Please know that I
recognize I'm probably not going to get more than say NVIS type of
propagation with this type of set-up (since I'm in a relatively flat
area
with no hills or the like).

73

KC2VNI-Steve

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[Elecraft] Testing anti-static mats - found one that works

2010-04-07 Thread Alan Bloom
It is important to use an anti-static mat to prevent damage to
electronic devices when working on solid-state equipment.  Since
Elecraft is heavily kit-oriented this is a topic of interest for
Elecrafters.

Quite some time ago I did some testing on the Radio Shack portable
anti-static mat and found that its resistance was way too high to do a
proper job of bleeding off static charges.  I then bought another
low-cost mat from Jameco and it also measured way too high.  I began to
doubt my testing methodology (described in a previous message, copied
below).

So now I have bought a third mat.  This one is more expensive, but
unlike the cheaper mats it has an actual data sheet that specifies that
it meets ANSI specs for anti-static performance.  I figured if it also
measured bad then my testing must be in error.

But it didn't.  Here are the results:

Radio Shack P/N 276-2370 ($22.99) - 26 G ohms (26,000 M ohms)
Jameco P/N 10584 ($16.45) - 44 G ohms (44,000 M ohms)
Digi-Key P/N 16-1121-ND, (Desco 66164) ($38.18) - 41 M ohms

The Desco mat's resistance is about 1000x lower than the cheaper ones!

This mat is quite large, (2 x 3 feet, 61 x 91.4 cm) so if you buy one
you may need to cut it down to fit on your workbench.  It comes with a
common point ground kit (that you have to install on the mat yourself)
that provides a long wire with solder lug to connect to ground and a
two-socket connector for connecting one or two wrist straps.  The wrist
strap and cord have to be purchased separately.  It looks like Digi-Key
P/N SCP172-ND for $8.95 should work.

So the total cost is about $47.  But the cheap mats are no bargain if
they don't work.

I tried cleaning the surface of the mats with some wipes that are
especially intended for cleaning anti-static mats (Digi-Key MTT20-ND)
and they did help.  The Radio Shack mat went from 26 to 6 Gohms and the
Jameco went from 44 to about 12 Gohms.  But those numbers are still way
too high.  The Desco mat's resistance also went down, from 41 to 20
Mohms.

The Desco mat came with a small spray bottle of Rezstore, their own
brand of mat cleaner.

By the way, the back side of the Desco mat is some kind of
highly-conductive black rubber, apparently to keep the entire mat
surface at equal potential.  They warn that you should always use it
blue side up because the resistance of the back side is too low.  Sure
enough, it was low enough to measure with my digital multimeter - about
80 kohms.

So my recommendation is to buy a mat such as the Desco model that has a
data sheet that specifies that it meets ANSI/ESD S4.1 or ANSI/ESD
S20.20.  If you already have the Radio Shack mat, then either replace it
or at least clean it with a cleaner approved for ESD mats.  (You're not
supposed to use soap or detergent because it might harm the anti-static
properties.)  Gary KI4GGX recommends a product made by Techspray:
http://www.all-spec.com/products/1733-QT.html

Whatever you use, it is important to keep the mat clean.

A word about my test procedure.  Accuracy is not very good because I am
trying to read the peak amplitude of a brief needle flicker.  If I had
an analog meter with a high-impedance input that would work better
because the reading wouldn't change so fast.  Also my sauce pans no
doubt do not give the same answer as the ANSI-specified test probes.  So
overall, I doubt my measurement accuracy is better than +/- 50% or so.
But for the purposes of this test that's good enough.

In the test procedure below I had to substitute a 1.0 uF capacitor when
measuring the Tesco mat in order to get a long-enough time constant to
measure accurately.  (Also, it's actually a Triplett meter, not a
Simpson.)

Alan N1AL



On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 09:51 -0800, Alan Bloom wrote:
 Well, I've convinced myself that the Radio Shack portable ESD mat, P/N
 276-2370 doesn't work properly.
 
 The ESD Association http://www.esda.org has promulgated an
 industry-standard test for ESD mats, ESD S4.1.  It is the standard
 specified by most commercial mats.  I decided not to spring for the $70
 to buy a copy of the standard, but other information I found on the web
 describes the test in general terms.  It uses two circular electrodes,
 each weighted with 5 pounds, spaced 10 inches apart on the mat.  The
 Point to Point Resistance is specified to be:
 
 At 40-60% RH: 10^6 - 10^7 ohms
 At 20-40% RH: 10^7 - 10^8 ohms
 At 10-20% RH: 10^8 - 10^9 ohms
 
 I don't know what the RH here in Santa Rosa was yesterday when I did the
 test, but I don't think it was very low since it has been raining
 recently and the ground is still damp.  For sure the resistance
 shouldn't be below 10^9 ohms (1 gigohm) and probably more like 10^8 or
 10^7 (100 or 10 megohms).
 
 I measured 2.5 x 10^10 ohms (25 gigohms), which puts the Radio Shack mat
 way out of spec.
 
 Test procedure:
 
 I didn't find a specification on the electrode size, but in the photo of
 a popular tester they look to be maybe 3 or 4 inches in diameter.  For
 my test, the 

[Elecraft] K3 front end protection

2010-04-07 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Hello,

 

The K3 have enough protection itself to prevents large amounts of RF getting
into the AUX input?

 

I am looking for a switch for RX antennas, to connect to both RX ANT IN and
AUX RF in the K3.

 

I did a search in www and there´s two very interesting device.

 

One is the DX Pedition II by KD9SV. A great tool, maybe more useful for
radios without RX capabilities. It have a FRONT END SAVER  and also very
interesting that it relay the amp, this to protect the radio relays in some
cases where it´s very small. So here is a great protection for the radio.

 

The other device is the RAS 8x2 by K9AY. It is great to switch up to 8 RX
antennas in both the main and subreceiver. But I don´t know more about the
RAS 8x2, for example if the RAS 8x2 disconnect your receive antennas during
transmit which prevents large amounts of RF (like the front end saver of the
DXP II box) getting into the AUX and RX ANT inputs.

 

Or this is not necessary in the RAS 8x2 because the disconnection of the RX
antennas is made itself by the K3?

 

Thanks for your feedback!

 

73,

Jorge

CX6VM/CW5W

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[Elecraft] Strange things a happening

2010-04-07 Thread Telegrapher
Well to start off a couple of days ago i loaded 3.77 into the radio.  Then i 
hooked a 10 db preamp into the line coming from the 6 meter beam to the radio 
into ANT 2.  Definitly brought up the noise level anyway.  No signals to hear 
but at least i know the preamp works.

Tonight before the local 6 M ssb net i removed the preamp out of the line from 
ANT 2 to the 6 mtr beam.  Set up on 50.140 and hit the tune button.  WOW, SWR 
was high but tuner brought it down.  Watching the meter while talking didn't 
look good and the Hi SWR was flashing as i talked  First station i heard was 
weak and he's normally S-9 anyway.  Said i didn't sound good.  Well check 
connections, settings and anything else that caught my eye.  Nothing out of 
place.  Figuring that maybe i had inadvertently connected the FM antenna to the 
K3 es VS i reversed them.  Nope, that wasn't it.  

Well about the end of the net (i was supposed to be net control tonight) i took 
the 6 mtr beam off of ANT 2 and put it on ANT-1  Boy did that make a 
difference.  Seems that the problem is with ANT 2.  Radio works fine on ANT-1.  
I haven't taken the cover off this radio in 8 months, since i bought it so i've 
not disturbed anything inside.  I don't have the AUX connector.  

I guess the question is why would the 6 meter band work fine on ANT-1 but not 
ANT-2 all of a sudden?  Without tearing the radio apart i ask this question of 
those noble folks with great knowledge.

larry
W0OGH



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Re: [Elecraft] Using Buddi Pole Deluxe Antenna with K3

2010-04-07 Thread Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

You might try the Buddipole users list, which you'll find at
http://buddipole.com/documentation.html

The Buddipole is (usually) a shortened, high-efficiency antenna, which means
that it is relatively narrow-banded. It's fed off-center to bring the real
component of the impedance up, but on the lower bands it has a real
impedance of less than 50 ohms.  So, it's best to use the coils to tune for
resonance (X or reactance = 0) and then use the ATU at that point to match
the real portion of the impedance.  They also sell a matching transformer
which does a better job, as it's at the antenna end, but it's an additional
purchase.

So, I'd recommend putting the K3 ATU in bypass, setting up the Buddipole as
the instruction card says, and try moving the tips in and out a few inches
to see what the SWR is.  If you use the ATU to lower the SWR when it's way
too high, the Buddipole won't be doing its job.

For vertical or horizontal, you'll find mostly that vertical is best for the
high bands and horizontal is best for the low bands for DX (though you'll
want to use a wire instead of an arm for the ground side).  Horizontal can
work for 40M NVIS local communications where you plan to aim the signal
straight up.

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Re: [Elecraft] Strange things a happening

2010-04-07 Thread Rob May

Had the same symptoms when SA-1, the surge arrestor on input 1 went out.  There 
is an SA-2 on input 2.  Could tune the beam to 1.5:1 but the SWR would jump all 
over the place when I transmitted.  It's a through hole part, so it's easy to 
replace.  $3.30 at Mouser, part number is 871-N81-A350X.  Buy an extra.
Rob
NV5E


 From: telegrap...@att.net
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 02:49:26 +
 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange things a happening
 
 Well to start off a couple of days ago i loaded 3.77 into the radio.  Then i 
 hooked a 10 db preamp into the line coming from the 6 meter beam to the radio 
 into ANT 2.  Definitly brought up the noise level anyway.  No signals to hear 
 but at least i know the preamp works.
 
 Tonight before the local 6 M ssb net i removed the preamp out of the line 
 from ANT 2 to the 6 mtr beam.  Set up on 50.140 and hit the tune button.  
 WOW, SWR was high but tuner brought it down.  Watching the meter while 
 talking didn't look good and the Hi SWR was flashing as i talked  First 
 station i heard was weak and he's normally S-9 anyway.  Said i didn't sound 
 good.  Well check connections, settings and anything else that caught my eye. 
  Nothing out of place.  Figuring that maybe i had inadvertently connected the 
 FM antenna to the K3 es VS i reversed them.  Nope, that wasn't it.  
 
 Well about the end of the net (i was supposed to be net control tonight) i 
 took the 6 mtr beam off of ANT 2 and put it on ANT-1  Boy did that make a 
 difference.  Seems that the problem is with ANT 2.  Radio works fine on 
 ANT-1.  I haven't taken the cover off this radio in 8 months, since i bought 
 it so i've not disturbed anything inside.  I don't have the AUX connector.  
 
 I guess the question is why would the 6 meter band work fine on ANT-1 but 
 not ANT-2 all of a sudden?  Without tearing the radio apart i ask this 
 question of those noble folks with great knowledge.
 
 larry
 W0OGH
 
 
 
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