[Elecraft] K3: Calibrate RF gain with K3 utility - error messages - help.

2011-05-30 Thread VK7JB
Hi all,

I'm hoping someone has come across this problem and can help out.

I recently got an XG3, so thought I would run the Calibrate RF gain utility
in K3 Utility.

I'm running the latest K3 firmware and the most recent update of the K3
utility:  1.4.4.25

K3 and computer are communicating fine and Calibrate Tx gain routine in K3
Utility runs fine.

Tried to run the Calibrate RF gain routine and I get the following error in
the K3 utility window
No reponse to DSP command  and the calibration progresses no further.
On the K3 LCD there is this error message:  E 040FA6.   ERR DSE

I've checked and all the setup parameters for the Calibrate RF gain routine
are set correctly according the the on-screen prompts.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any advice,

John
VK7JB

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[Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread VK7JB
Hello again,

Update to my last post:  I turned everything off, went and had a cup of
coffee, came back and tried the RF gain calibration routine again with K3
Utility - worked just fine this time.  So, not sure why those errors.  I had
turned everything off and re-booted the K3,  restarted the utility etc in
previous attempts, with no effect.  Must've been the cup of coffee :)

So now on to another question:

After the RF calibration, I re-did the S-meter calibration using the XG3,
with the K3 in ABS mode, PRE OFF.
SMTR OF = 21,  SMTR SC = 14.
With these parameters, the scale is very linear and pretty much spot on:  S9
@ -73dBm, S2-3 @ -107dBm,  S9+40 @ -33dBm

BUT, when I disconnect the XG3, so nothing is connected to ANT1, the S1 bar
flickers on and off.

I can't  stop this flickering S1 without readjusting the parameters and
throwing out the rest of the calibration.

The S1 does turn off if I narrow the bandwidth to less than 1.5khz.  I've
been doing the calibration in CW mode but with bw set at 2.8khz.

Is this flickering S1 with no antenna connected normal/expected? 
Intuitively, I feel that no input should give no bars, but perhaps that
simplistic.

73,

John
VK7JB 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread David Pratt
John - I would say that if it is just flickering on and off that is 
exactly right. It does at least show that the receiver is live and the 
residual noise is registering on the S-meter.  Perhaps if you shorted 
ANT1 to ground the flickering might reduce.

Personally, if my S-meter did not flicker, I would wonder whether my 
receiver is working ;-)

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, VK7JB zen...@netspace.net.au writes
BUT, when I disconnect the XG3, so nothing is connected to ANT1, the S1 bar
flickers on and off.

I can't  stop this flickering S1 without readjusting the parameters and
throwing out the rest of the calibration.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Calibrate RF gain with K3 utility - error messages - help.

2011-05-30 Thread Jim Sheldon
Just did the same procedure on my K3 (I have the sub-receiver installed in 
mine) and everything in the RF Gain calibration routine went normally and 
completed /wrote the value to eeprom for the main RX, but I got the No 
response to DSP command error when the utility was going through the sub-RX 
gain calibration procedure.  I shut down and restarted everything.  I ran 
through the cal procedures again but ignored the main rx and just did the 
sub-rx.  This time it finished properly for the sub receiver.  Leaving well 
enough alone, I didn't try to repeat the problem.

I'm running firmware versions uc 4.36,  DSP 1 and 2 2.73 and FL 1.14.

The only changes since I got the K3 (back in December of 2010) are firmware 
upgrades and I had originally had the general coverage bandpass filter 
installed in the sub receiver only.  I have since moved that to the main 
receiver as I found it was more convenient in that position due to the way I 
like my audio configured.

Jim - W0EB

 Hi all,

 I'm hoping someone has come across this problem and can help out.

 I recently got an XG3, so thought I would run the Calibrate RF gain
 utility
 in K3 Utility.

 I'm running the latest K3 firmware and the most recent update of
 the K3
 utility:  1.4.4.25

 K3 and computer are communicating fine and Calibrate Tx gain
 routine in K3
 Utility runs fine.

 Tried to run the Calibrate RF gain routine and I get the following
 error in
 the K3 utility window
 No reponse to DSP command  and the calibration progresses no
 further.
 On the K3 LCD there is this error message:  E 040FA6.   ERR DSE

 I've checked and all the setup parameters for the Calibrate RF gain
 routine
 are set correctly according the the on-screen prompts.

 What am I doing wrong?

 Thanks for any advice,

 John
 VK7JB

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[Elecraft] K2/10 Price Reduced

2011-05-30 Thread John Henderson N4NAB
Reduced to $700, firm, shipped CONUS as described:


Very nice K2/10, s/n 3925.  Has all updates, the finger dimple, SSB module
and antenna tuner built by W3FPR, Don, and calibrated and aligned on
3/3/2011. Have manual, all Don's paper work. $780 with shipping.

John N4NAB


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output

2011-05-30 Thread Rich - K1HTV
Dave,
   Do a Google search for Coby CA-745, an FM wireless transmitter that plugs
into a cigarette lighter. You can find them at Amazon, Wal-Mart and Best Buy for
between $16 and $19. The input is via a stereo miniplug at the end of an
attached cable. The frequency can be changed and is displayed on an LCD screen
on the front of the unit. It looks like it should work fine with a KX3 or any
audio device that you want to play back on a clear frequency through your
vehicle's FM radio.

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =


-Original Message-
From: Dave KK7SS [mailto:kk...@frontier.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 10:29 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output

Sad to report that my car does not have a tape player :( Even worse,  the CD
player is behind the NAV screen.

But there is supposed to be sn iPod audio socket somewhere...
That just might work if the impedance is ok.
I suppose I'll have to look for it now G


 On May 27, 2011 at 4:14pm Fred K6DGW wrote:

 My wife has a fake tape cassette that goes in the car's tape player 
 and a cable that plugs into her iPod.gt;


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[Elecraft] KPA500 Kits shipping?

2011-05-30 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
Has anyone received a shipping confirmation yet? Maybe tomorrow is our 
lucky day?
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Re: [Elecraft] 4

2011-05-30 Thread Udo Koch
Diversify your pleasure!.. http://life-sms.fr/friends.links.php?jweID=56o6
  
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[Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread AA1QG
As a portable user of the K2 and Vertex 1210, I was thrilled to hear about
the new KX3. 

After reading the preliminary specs however, I think I´ll stick to my
existing radios. Why?

- 10 W is insufficient power for portable SSB operation on the lower bands,
at least in Europe. 20-25 W as the 1210 has is still low, but acceptable in
terms of balancing power with current consumption.

- My old 1210 has built in Lithium batteries which are light, high capacity
and fast charging. Why not in the KX3??

AA1QG/LB7FA


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
Hello John!

In ABS mode this is normal.  It is a consequence of offsets the DSP is 
doing to account for the settings of ATT and PRE, along with the method 
used to pass S Meter information to the MCU.

73,

Lyle KK7P

 After the RF calibration, I re-did the S-meter calibration using the XG3,
 with the K3 in ABS mode,...

 BUT, when I disconnect the XG3, so nothing is connected to ANT1, the S1 bar
 flickers on and off.

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[Elecraft] Some Speaker Options

2011-05-30 Thread Ed G
Hi Folks,
 I've been trying out a couple external speaker ideas for some various
Elecraft products; both ideas save some desk space and so might be
considered where space is at a premium. One uses the Dell soundbar AX-510.
This unit mounts to the bottom of most recent Dell computer monitors; many
of these monitors have a jack for soundbar power, or a wallwart-type supply
can be used. These speakers have an integrated 5 watt amplifier with volume
control on the side, and can be used in conjunction with the computer sound
card, or just used with external audio input (line out from the K3 for
example).  The second soundbar option uses a Sharp CP-USB50, which is a
USB-type speaker, so this would need to be used by running Elecraft audio
into the computer and listening via the soundcard. Only a USB connection for
the soundbar is needed.  The Sharp unit fits and looks very nice on top of
the K3. The Dell option might be a good choice for something like the KX1. A
couple photos showing the Dell soundbar mounted on my Dell monitor, and the
Sharp soundbar atop the K3:
 
http://home.comcast.net/~ed.goss/K3Speaker/page_01.htm

--Ed, N3CW--


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[Elecraft] Weak Signal Propagation Reporter WSPR software

2011-05-30 Thread Edward R. Cole
I have been using WSPR, primarily on the 600m band (495.9 KHz), as 
part of the ARRL 600m Experimental Group (WD2XSH).
http://500kc.com/
The furthest my 4.15w ERP signal was detected was 2893 miles.  I also 
have tried it a little on 6m.
I have used its brother, JT-65, extensively on 144-eme.

WSPR gives you a snapshot of propagation on any band.  Go to 
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/ to view this.


73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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BP40IQ   500 KHz - 10-GHz   www.kl7uw.com
EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-?
DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output -triple post!

2011-05-30 Thread Dave KK7SS
Please excuse the triple post, it wasn't deliberate.
My internet connection has been up and down a lot due to local lighting storms.
Sorry..

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[Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Stephen Prior
Well, it's in the title really, but I was surprised to find that
turning the P3 off does not reduce the current reading on the K3
display (the P3 is powered by the 12v acc skt).  That's a pity as it
would be useful to see the load on that socket without using an
external ammeter.  Yes, I do have other 12V supplies etc etc. :-)

I guess that's a hardware rather than a firmware issue?

73 Stephen G4SJP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Stephen,

The aux 12 V output is not part of the current-monitored path. The  
main reason for the current monitor is to keep track of the health of  
the radio itself, so we take corrective or informative action in  
either RX or TX mode.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 30, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:

 Well, it's in the title really, but I was surprised to find that
 turning the P3 off does not reduce the current reading on the K3
 display (the P3 is powered by the 12v acc skt).  That's a pity as it
 would be useful to see the load on that socket without using an
 external ammeter.  Yes, I do have other 12V supplies etc etc. :-)

 I guess that's a hardware rather than a firmware issue?

 73 Stephen G4SJP


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Matt Zilmer
Check the schematic.  The aux 12V is really close to the 12V input,
being dropped by one diode and a FET junction.  There's no shunt in
that leg.  No way to measure I to the 12V output.

matt W6NIA

On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:18:44 +0100, you wrote:

Well, it's in the title really, but I was surprised to find that
turning the P3 off does not reduce the current reading on the K3
display (the P3 is powered by the 12v acc skt).  That's a pity as it
would be useful to see the load on that socket without using an
external ammeter.  Yes, I do have other 12V supplies etc etc. :-)

I guess that's a hardware rather than a firmware issue?

73 Stephen G4SJP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Stephen Prior
Thanks guys for the lightning speed answers.  Now to ask Icom about
something on my IC-703, wonder how long they will take to respond! :-)

73 Stephen

On 30 May 2011 18:22, Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net wrote:
 Check the schematic.  The aux 12V is really close to the 12V input,
 being dropped by one diode and a FET junction.  There's no shunt in
 that leg.  No way to measure I to the 12V output.

 matt W6NIA

 On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:18:44 +0100, you wrote:

Well, it's in the title really, but I was surprised to find that
turning the P3 off does not reduce the current reading on the K3
display (the P3 is powered by the 12v acc skt).  That's a pity as it
would be useful to see the load on that socket without using an
external ammeter.  Yes, I do have other 12V supplies etc etc. :-)

I guess that's a hardware rather than a firmware issue?

73 Stephen G4SJP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Matt Zilmer
About 30,000x as long

On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:25:15 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks guys for the lightning speed answers.  Now to ask Icom about
something on my IC-703, wonder how long they will take to respond! :-)

73 Stephen

On 30 May 2011 18:22, Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net wrote:
 Check the schematic.  The aux 12V is really close to the 12V input,
 being dropped by one diode and a FET junction.  There's no shunt in
 that leg.  No way to measure I to the 12V output.

 matt W6NIA

 On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:18:44 +0100, you wrote:

Well, it's in the title really, but I was surprised to find that
turning the P3 off does not reduce the current reading on the K3
display (the P3 is powered by the 12v acc skt).  That's a pity as it
would be useful to see the load on that socket without using an
external ammeter.  Yes, I do have other 12V supplies etc etc. :-)

I guess that's a hardware rather than a firmware issue?

73 Stephen G4SJP
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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Terje,

The KX3 is a completely different radio from the Vertex 1210. It is  
much smaller, lighter, and has far less current drain. It can even be  
used hand-held. There's simply no room for a 20-W PA and/or a large  
battery.

The 1210 is a channelized man pack radio, which definitely has its  
advantages for certain operating situations.

However, the 1210 is about 4 times larger than the KX3 by volume, and  
about 5 times heavier. It draws about 3 times as much current when  
receive is active (it draws less in Saver mode, but this is with the  
receiver squelched, periodically looking for channel activity).

Despite the KX3's much smaller size/weight/current drain, it has  
several major advantages over the 1210 as a general-purpose ham  
transceiver: 6 meter coverage (and possibly 2 m, 4 m, or other bands),  
FM and data modes, large display, large VFO knob, controls for many  
more functions, optional attached keyer paddle, and optional narrow  
roofing filters for high dynamic range. Of course there's also the  
external 100-W PA.

The KX3's current drain is low enough that it can function well with  
an extremely light battery pack (8 AA cells, internally, or your  
choice of external batteries). We went with AA cells because of their  
flexibility and ubiquity. You can always borrow some from other  
electronic devices in a pinch. You can power the radio for 5-10 hours  
of typical transceive operation or 16 hours receive-only from a set of  
nonrechargeable lithium camera batteries. Or you can use NiMH, with  
the internal charger keeping them ready to go.

So it's really an apples/oranges comparison, in my heavily-biased  
opinion  :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


 As a portable user of the K2 and Vertex 1210, I was thrilled to hear  
 about
 the new KX3.

 After reading the preliminary specs however, I think I´ll stick to my
 existing radios. Why?

 - 10 W is insufficient power for portable SSB operation on the lower  
 bands,
 at least in Europe. 20-25 W as the 1210 has is still low, but  
 acceptable in
 terms of balancing power with current consumption.

 - My old 1210 has built in Lithium batteries which are light, high  
 capacity
 and fast charging. Why not in the KX3??

 AA1QG/LB7FA
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[Elecraft] KX1 for Sale

2011-05-30 Thread Sid Leben
Hi all,

I will be moving shortly and have to trim down my radio gear..
For sale is my KX1 in a Pelican 1060 case, includes:

KX1 With KXAT1 (Tuner, Internal), KXB30/80 (30/80m + wide band rcv), KXPD1 
Paddle, CW Spot Indicator (N0SS). Two KX1 Nifty Quick-Reference Guides
 Note: 30/80 module  CW Spot installed by Don, W3FPR
Case also includes: BNC/UHF female Adapter, BNC/Banana Plug (F) Adapter and BNC 
to Dual Banana Plug adapter.  $530, including freight, CONUS

Please contact me off List at:
s...@leben.com

Pictures available upon request.
Sid Leben
KC2EE


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output

2011-05-30 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/30/2011 8:50 AM, Rich - K1HTV wrote:
 Do a Google search for Coby CA-745, an FM wireless transmitter that plugs
 into a cigarette lighter. You can find them at Amazon, Wal-Mart and Best Buy 
 for
 between $16 and $19. The input is via a stereo miniplug at the end of an
 attached cable.

There is potential for significant difficulty using a device powered 
from one point in the automotive DC power with another device powered 
from a DIFFERENT point in the same automotive power system. The reason 
is simple -- there can be a lot of DC resistance between different parts 
of the system, and a lot of noise, both audio and RF, between those 
points.  The audio interconnect is unbalanced, so any noise that is 
present is likely be added to the audio feed.

Consider the use for which these modulators were designed -- a 
BATTERY-powered personal music player, like an iPod or CD player.  With 
these devices, there is only ONE connection to the automotive power 
system, the lighter plug.  Ditto with a wired AUX plug-in for those 
players.

BTW -- this issue requires VERY CAREFUL attention to the design of DC 
busing and both audio and RF interfacing between the KX3 and the power 
amp if those units are to be physically separated (for example, the 
power amp in the trunk or under a seat).

73, Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: ammeter display does not include 12 RCA acc skt?

2011-05-30 Thread Bruce Beford
I actually modified my K3 to do this back in August of last year. I wrote up
the details in a post you can read here:

 

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-switched-DC-output-jack-simple-mod-t
d5425993.html

 

Works great.

Bruce, N1RX

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Re: [Elecraft] K2/10 Price Reduced

2011-05-30 Thread Michael Goins
Why would shipping be $80 on a K2? I just shipped a Jupiter across
country for $32.

mike, k5wmg


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:26 AM, John Henderson N4NAB j...@ec.rr.com wrote:
 Reduced to $700, firm, shipped CONUS as described:


 Very nice K2/10, s/n 3925.  Has all updates, the finger dimple, SSB module
 and antenna tuner built by W3FPR, Don, and calibrated and aligned on
 3/3/2011. Have manual, all Don's paper work. $780 with shipping.

 John N4NAB


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Re: [Elecraft] 4

2011-05-30 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] Weak Signal Propagation Reporter WSPR software

2011-05-30 Thread Barry Garratt

Other very cool JT software includes JT-65HF and WSJT9. A glimpse into the
thought processes of a really, really smart guy who loves ham radio.


FWIW the JT65-HF software is by Joe Large W6CQZ not Joe Taylor K1JT. And I
agree both are very smart guys who really enjoy ham radio.

Barry KS7DX


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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread Dave KK7SS
Wayne, biased??
Naah! never! G


 So it's really an apples/oranges comparison, in my heavily-biased  
 opinion  :)
 Wayne Burdick
 Mon, 30 May 2011 10:47:47 -0700

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[Elecraft] [K3] Front and Read Mic Gain are the same

2011-05-30 Thread Randy Moore
I just (re)discovered that the Mic Gain (set with MIC SEL  Tap [1]) is 
the same for both front and rear mic selections.  This is a bit 
inconvenient when switching back and forth between very different mics.  
Is this on the list?  Or have I missed something?

73 and Happy Memorial Day (USA),
Randy, KS4L
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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread AA1QG
Ok, you win, I´ll order a KX3 when it arrives! 

I have quite a few 5-10w portable radios gathering dust unless I plan to 
operate CW. My trusty K2 has the 100W PA, which I usually run at 25-50 watts 
using a 14AH battery and an K1 tuner (which tackles 50W well in spite of being 
rated lower). The power difference is not impressive in terms of db, but when 
operating SSB on 60m and below having a bit more power output often is the 
difference between having a QSO and having a frustrated operator at both ends.

Please consider a KX3 Heavy Duty version, with a lithium battery and higher 
power output  (25W) in a bigger box. There really is gaping hole in the market 
for such a rig, since most rigs either are too puny in terms of power or 
battery capacity (i.e. FT-817) or too battery thirsty (FT-897 for example). I 
would buy one or two on the spot, and I know a lot of hams who for various 
reasons have to operate portable - typically having residential noise problems 
or antenna restrictions -  likely will buy one as well. 
 

73´s

Terje


Den 30. mai 2011 kl. 19.47 skrev wayne burdick [via Elecraft]:

 Hi Terje, 
 
 The KX3 is a completely different radio from the Vertex 1210. It is   
 much smaller, lighter, and has far less current drain. It can even be   
 used hand-held. There's simply no room for a 20-W PA and/or a large   
 battery. 
 
 The 1210 is a channelized man pack radio, which definitely has its   
 advantages for certain operating situations. 
 
 However, the 1210 is about 4 times larger than the KX3 by volume, and   
 about 5 times heavier. It draws about 3 times as much current when   
 receive is active (it draws less in Saver mode, but this is with the   
 receiver squelched, periodically looking for channel activity). 
 
 Despite the KX3's much smaller size/weight/current drain, it has   
 several major advantages over the 1210 as a general-purpose ham   
 transceiver: 6 meter coverage (and possibly 2 m, 4 m, or other bands),   
 FM and data modes, large display, large VFO knob, controls for many   
 more functions, optional attached keyer paddle, and optional narrow   
 roofing filters for high dynamic range. Of course there's also the   
 external 100-W PA. 
 
 The KX3's current drain is low enough that it can function well with   
 an extremely light battery pack (8 AA cells, internally, or your   
 choice of external batteries). We went with AA cells because of their   
 flexibility and ubiquity. You can always borrow some from other   
 electronic devices in a pinch. You can power the radio for 5-10 hours   
 of typical transceive operation or 16 hours receive-only from a set of   
 nonrechargeable lithium camera batteries. Or you can use NiMH, with   
 the internal charger keeping them ready to go. 
 
 So it's really an apples/oranges comparison, in my heavily-biased   
 opinion  :) 
 
 73, 
 Wayne 
 N6KR 
 
  
  As a portable user of the K2 and Vertex 1210, I was thrilled to hear   
  about 
  the new KX3. 
  
  After reading the preliminary specs however, I think I´ll stick to my 
  existing radios. Why? 
  
  - 10 W is insufficient power for portable SSB operation on the lower   
  bands, 
  at least in Europe. 20-25 W as the 1210 has is still low, but   
  acceptable in 
  terms of balancing power with current consumption. 
  
  - My old 1210 has built in Lithium batteries which are light, high   
  capacity 
  and fast charging. Why not in the KX3?? 
  
  AA1QG/LB7FA
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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread Mel Farrer
Not only the referenced uses, I have a boat and it would be a real treat to 
have 
one on it.  Right now, I have the FT-817 and while it does a really good job, 
these old fingers have trouble with the small controls.

Mel, K6KBE






From: AA1QG terjearnt...@hotmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:07:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

Ok, you win, I´ll order a KX3 when it arrives! 

I have quite a few 5-10w portable radios gathering dust unless I plan to 
operate 
CW. My trusty K2 has the 100W PA, which I usually run at 25-50 watts using a 
14AH battery and an K1 tuner (which tackles 50W well in spite of being rated 
lower). The power difference is not impressive in terms of db, but when 
operating SSB on 60m and below having a bit more power output often is the 
difference between having a QSO and having a frustrated operator at both ends.

Please consider a KX3 Heavy Duty version, with a lithium battery and higher 
power output  (25W) in a bigger box. There really is gaping hole in the market 
for such a rig, since most rigs either are too puny in terms of power or 
battery 
capacity (i.e. FT-817) or too battery thirsty (FT-897 for example). I would buy 
one or two on the spot, and I know a lot of hams who for various reasons have 
to 
operate portable - typically having residential noise problems or antenna 
restrictions -  likely will buy one as well. 



73´s

Terje


Den 30. mai 2011 kl. 19.47 skrev wayne burdick [via Elecraft]:

 Hi Terje, 
 
 The KX3 is a completely different radio from the Vertex 1210. It is  
 much smaller, lighter, and has far less current drain. It can even be  
 used hand-held. There's simply no room for a 20-W PA and/or a large  
 battery. 
 
 The 1210 is a channelized man pack radio, which definitely has its  
 advantages for certain operating situations. 
 
 However, the 1210 is about 4 times larger than the KX3 by volume, and  
 about 5 times heavier. It draws about 3 times as much current when  
 receive is active (it draws less in Saver mode, but this is with the  
 receiver squelched, periodically looking for channel activity). 
 
 Despite the KX3's much smaller size/weight/current drain, it has  
 several major advantages over the 1210 as a general-purpose ham  
 transceiver: 6 meter coverage (and possibly 2 m, 4 m, or other bands),  
 FM and data modes, large display, large VFO knob, controls for many  
 more functions, optional attached keyer paddle, and optional narrow  
 roofing filters for high dynamic range. Of course there's also the  
 external 100-W PA. 
 
 The KX3's current drain is low enough that it can function well with  
 an extremely light battery pack (8 AA cells, internally, or your  
 choice of external batteries). We went with AA cells because of their  
 flexibility and ubiquity. You can always borrow some from other  
 electronic devices in a pinch. You can power the radio for 5-10 hours  
 of typical transceive operation or 16 hours receive-only from a set of  
 nonrechargeable lithium camera batteries. Or you can use NiMH, with  
 the internal charger keeping them ready to go. 
 
 So it's really an apples/oranges comparison, in my heavily-biased  
 opinion  :) 
 
 73, 
 Wayne 
 N6KR 
 
  
  As a portable user of the K2 and Vertex 1210, I was thrilled to hear  
  about 
  the new KX3. 
  
  After reading the preliminary specs however, I think I´ll stick to my 
  existing radios. Why? 
  
  - 10 W is insufficient power for portable SSB operation on the lower  
  bands, 
  at least in Europe. 20-25 W as the 1210 has is still low, but  
  acceptable in 
  terms of balancing power with current consumption. 
  
  - My old 1210 has built in Lithium batteries which are light, high  
  capacity 
  and fast charging. Why not in the KX3?? 
  
  AA1QG/LB7FA
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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread Grant Youngman
K2, K3???  WTF. 

Sent from my iPhone
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 Please consider a KX3 Heavy Duty version, with a lithium battery and higher 
 power output  (25W) in a bigger box. 
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Re: [Elecraft] Still lacking

2011-05-30 Thread Lyle Johnson
Note that the KX3 will have an effective SSB 
clipper/compressor/processor to give an average of at least 6 dB of 
talk power without significant impairment of the speech quality, 
making 10W seem like 25 or more to the receiving station.

73,

Lyle KK7P
 ...

 Please consider a KX3 Heavy Duty version, with a lithium battery and higher 
 power output  (25W) in a bigger box. There really is gaping hole in the 
 market for such a rig, since most rigs either are too puny in terms of power 
 or battery capacity (i.e. FT-817) or too battery thirsty (FT-897 for 
 example)...
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[Elecraft] K3 unusual noise

2011-05-30 Thread Scott McDowell
Hello
My factory built K3 is about six weeks old and today it started doing something 
that I have never 
had a rig do before in 40 years of hamming.
 
I was listening on 20 meters CW and the K3 suddenly started making a fast 
ticking noise at various 
speeds. The wind was blowing about 40 miles an hour and I suspected that. So I 
disconnected the
antenna. The ticking noise continued. So then I turned the K3 off, and even 
with the rig turned  off
and the antenna disconnected, the ticking coninued for several minutes. The 
ticking was about as
 loud as one normally has the audio set when in use.
 
Since the rig was new I have had a one megohm resister across from the center 
conductor of the
coaxial cable to the braid on the coxial cable.
After letting the rig set turned off for a few minutes, I turn it back on and 
everything seems normal.
Anyone have any ideas about what might be going on?
Scott n5sm
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[Elecraft] KX3 current

2011-05-30 Thread Igor Kosvin
Wayne,

Is the 150mA RX current of KX3 is with the LCD display on and some level
backlight active? What if there could be option to the display go to sleep
if no knobs are touched for some time? Kind of like screen saving mode.
Could that be considered? I bet the display takes considerable current draw
out of KX3 budget. I wander if you have figured the budget, I.e. how much
each stage draws.

Thanks,

Igor, N1YX  

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output

2011-05-30 Thread Igor Kosvin
Knowing Elecraft design practices most likely the audio output is isolated,
so your concern is notwithstanding.
73
Igor, N1YX

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 1:54 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Audio output

On 5/30/2011 8:50 AM, Rich - K1HTV wrote:
 Do a Google search for Coby CA-745, an FM wireless transmitter that
plugs
 into a cigarette lighter. You can find them at Amazon, Wal-Mart and Best
Buy for
 between $16 and $19. The input is via a stereo miniplug at the end of an
 attached cable.

There is potential for significant difficulty using a device powered 
from one point in the automotive DC power with another device powered 
from a DIFFERENT point in the same automotive power system. The reason 
is simple -- there can be a lot of DC resistance between different parts 
of the system, and a lot of noise, both audio and RF, between those 
points.  The audio interconnect is unbalanced, so any noise that is 
present is likely be added to the audio feed.

Consider the use for which these modulators were designed -- a 
BATTERY-powered personal music player, like an iPod or CD player.  With 
these devices, there is only ONE connection to the automotive power 
system, the lighter plug.  Ditto with a wired AUX plug-in for those 
players.

BTW -- this issue requires VERY CAREFUL attention to the design of DC 
busing and both audio and RF interfacing between the KX3 and the power 
amp if those units are to be physically separated (for example, the 
power amp in the trunk or under a seat).

73, Jim Brown K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Front and Read Mic Gain are the same

2011-05-30 Thread GDanner
Randy,
I use macros for PF1  PF2 to switch between the front  rear microphones.
The macro can turn bias on/off , set gain and sensitivity (H/L). Some users 
also use their macro to also set the frequency response diferently for the 2 
microphones as well.
George
AI4VZ

-Original Message- 
I just (re)discovered that the Mic Gain (set with MIC SEL  Tap [1]) is
the same for both front and rear mic selections.  This is a bit
inconvenient when switching back and forth between very different mics.
Is this on the list?  Or have I missed something? 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 current

2011-05-30 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Igor,

The 150 mA target is with the backlight off. It's a transflective  
display, so it's highly visible even with no backlight, except at  
night. But we'll have a low setting of the backlight that adds very  
little current drain -- maybe 10 mA.

The LCD itself, and its controller, draw almost no power, so turning  
the display completely off wouldn't buy anything.

However, we'll be looking at various ways to cut current drain and  
will explain them in the owner's manual, as we did for the K2.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



On May 30, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Igor Kosvin wrote:

 Wayne,

 Is the 150mA RX current of KX3 is with the LCD display on and some  
 level
 backlight active? What if there could be option to the display go to  
 sleep
 if no knobs are touched for some time? Kind of like screen saving  
 mode.
 Could that be considered? I bet the display takes considerable  
 current draw
 out of KX3 budget. I wander if you have figured the budget, I.e. how  
 much
 each stage draws.

 Thanks,

 Igor, N1YX

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[Elecraft] Thermal Stress in K2, K3 and I guess KX3

2011-05-30 Thread John
All,

Has anyone seen any degradation or temporary non-operation in the QRP 
versions of the K2 or K3 while operating in hot conditions?  Symptoms 
might include:

- gradual loss in output power
- gradual increase in output power
- controls stop working due to some processor lockup
- unexpected receiver bandwidth changes
- frequency drift (although what doesn't drift a little)
- any other change that returns to normal upon return to normal temps

This question works the other way too.  Has anyone seen the above during 
very cold operation?

As for the KX3, has the thermal analysis highlighted any stress point(s)?

Thanks.

John, kx4o
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 unusual noise

2011-05-30 Thread John Ragle
Scott...

Lift the top panel and check the cables that run from the left side 
across the fans in back near the finals. Betcha one is just nicking the 
fan and making your ticking noise.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 5/30/2011 4:57 PM, Scott McDowell wrote:
 Hello
 My factory built K3 is about six weeks old and today it started doing 
 something that I have never
 had a rig do before in 40 years of hamming.
   
 I was listening on 20 meters CW and the K3 suddenly started making a fast 
 ticking noise at various
 speeds. The wind was blowing about 40 miles an hour and I suspected that. So 
 I disconnected the
 antenna. The ticking noise continued. So then I turned the K3 off, and even 
 with the rig turned  off
 and the antenna disconnected, the ticking coninued for several minutes. The 
 ticking was about as
   loud as one normally has the audio set when in use.
   
 Since the rig was new I have had a one megohm resister across from the center 
 conductor of the
 coaxial cable to the braid on the coxial cable.
 After letting the rig set turned off for a few minutes, I turn it back on and 
 everything seems normal.
 Anyone have any ideas about what might be going on?
 Scott n5sm
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Re: [Elecraft] Weak Signal Propagation Reporter WSPR software (need help with it)

2011-05-30 Thread Tony Estep
Hi Stan,

You can do it. I'm probably older than you (72) -- it just takes patience
and some fiddling.

The first thing to do is to plug in those patch cords. In fact, let's start
with just one. Plug it into the Lin Out on the back of the K3, and the Mic
jack on your computer.

Then bring up WSPR. Set the Transmit % slider to 0% so that it won't try
to transmit. Then click the Setup menu at the top, and open Station
Parameters.

Put in your call and your grid square (you can find it out on QRZ.com if you
don't know it. Look up your call, then click details).

Then click the drop-down menu for Audio In and select Microphone.

Make sure your computer's clock is accurate to within 1 second. There are
various ways to do this, but for the moment I'll assume you have that
figured out.

Set your receiver on 14095.6, USB, and on WSPR select Band20M.

Now make sure the Idle box is not clicked, and wait for the beginning of
an even-numbered minute.

Pretty soon you'll see a green box at lower right saying Receiving, and
the lower left box will say Rx Noise XX DB.

On the K3, adjust Config  Line Out to bring the Rx noise to somewhere near
0 DB.

To fine-tune the audio in, look on the Task Bar for the little picture of
the speaker (lower right, next to the time  date). Right-click that icon,
and a menu will appear. Select Recording Devices.

A menu will pop up. Double-click Microphone, and then select the Levels tab.
A slider will appear, which you can adjust to get the Rx Noise to (more or
less) 0 DB.

Now go get some coffee and let WSPR run in receive mode for a while. If your
system clock is accurate, you'll see callsigns appear in the white box.
You're receiving!!

Once you get to that point, email me and we'll try to get you transmitting.

Good luck  73,
Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Thermal Stress in K2, K3 and I guess KX3

2011-05-30 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi John,
I have a 100W K3 here and my shack is an un air conditioned 20Ft container in 
tropical north Queensland, Australia.
Needless to say, it does tend to get a trifle 'warm' in the wet (summer) season 
here, with outside temps in the mid to high 30's (Celcius).
Internal temps in the container can be as high as 60 degrees with all the 
windows / doors cloased up. (The radio is not generally operating when temps 
are that high)
I have only ever twice had my K3 shutdown due to over temp, in both cases the 
shack temp was well over 40 degrees C.. (And closer to 50!)
The first time was the internal 2M module shutting down, the second was the 
main VCO.
The K144XV shutdown was cured by updating the firmware to the then latest 
version, (1.02 I think it was at the time) which increased the shutdown 
temperature and the second was apparently cured by recalibrating the main VCO.
Neither issue has ever come back to haunt me and my K3 does get subjected to 
some extremely high temperatures due to my living and being portable in the 
tropics.
Never once has my K3 drifted in frequency to any noticable extent though I do 
have the TCXO option. (In fact, my K3 #4257 is almost fully optioned, it is 
only missing the second receiver and its associated filters.)
In both shutdown cases, my FP temp was over 60 degrees C as indicated by the 
radios display.
 
73 de
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Innisfail, QLD, Australia
Elecraft K3 #4257 + KPA500 + PR6 + K144XV = Multiband greatness!

  - Original Message - 
  From: John 
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  Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:10 AM
  Subject: [Elecraft] Thermal Stress in K2, K3 and I guess KX3


  All,

  Has anyone seen any degradation or temporary non-operation in the QRP 
  versions of the K2 or K3 while operating in hot conditions?  Symptoms 
  might include:

  - gradual loss in output power
  - gradual increase in output power
  - controls stop working due to some processor lockup
  - unexpected receiver bandwidth changes
  - frequency drift (although what doesn't drift a little)
  - any other change that returns to normal upon return to normal temps

  This question works the other way too.  Has anyone seen the above during 
  very cold operation?

  As for the KX3, has the thermal analysis highlighted any stress point(s)?

  Thanks.

  John, kx4o
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 pics

2011-05-30 Thread TF3KX
Somewhat less protuding knobs, as well as a thinner dial knob would be more
balanced with the rest of the unit, and would also be less vulnerable for
transportation.

73 - Kristinn, TF3KX

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 s-meter calibration parameters and flickering S1...

2011-05-30 Thread VK7JB
Thanks Lyle and David.  Sounds all's configured OK then.   I'll get back to
playing with my K3.

73,
John
VK7JB

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[Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread Max Kempson
Extremely easy to set up, just two audio cable plus the serial port. I have had 
reports using 100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using simple wire delta 
loop antenna. I have copied station from the UK who was using a small copper 
loop antenna, about 4 feet diameter.
I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good results. The K3 must be the 
simplest rig to set up for digital modes. Be prepared for frustration though. 
You will hear much more than you can work!!
73
Max/ZL4VV















































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Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread Wes Stewart
Are you actually hearing anything?

--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Max Kempson maxkemp...@clear.net.nz wrote:

 Extremely easy to set up, just two
 audio cable plus the serial port. I have had reports using
 100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using simple wire
 delta loop antenna. I have copied station from the UK who
 was using a small copper loop antenna, about 4 feet
 diameter.
 I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good results.
 The K3 must be the simplest rig to set up for digital modes.
 Be prepared for frustration though. You will hear much more
 than you can work!!
 73
 Max/ZL4VV

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Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread goldtr8
It actually works fairly good.

You dont get confirmed contacts per say, but you can see your 
propagation information via a map on the web.   Its actaully fairly 
amazing how far 0.5 watts can go.  I also now know what another signal 
looks like on the DM780 trace.

I played with it today and its another tool in the toolbox to see what 
my antenna is capable of doing.

Don
KD8NNU


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

 Are you actually hearing anything?

 --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Max Kempson maxkemp...@clear.net.nz wrote:

 Extremely easy to set up, just two
 audio cable plus the serial port. I have had reports using
 100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using simple wire
 delta loop antenna. I have copied station from the UK who
 was using a small copper loop antenna, about 4 feet
 diameter.
 I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good results.
 The K3 must be the simplest rig to set up for digital modes.
 Be prepared for frustration though. You will hear much more
 than you can work!!
 73
 Max/ZL4VV

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Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread goldtr8
I find the JT65 very frustrating to get a qso in, as I can hear them but 
they don't seem to hear me..

But then that is what patience is for with only 15 watts being used.

Don
KD8NNU


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Max Kempson wrote:

 Extremely easy to set up, just two audio cable plus the serial port. I 
 have had reports using 100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using 
 simple wire delta loop antenna. I have copied station from the UK who 
 was using a small copper loop antenna, about 4 feet diameter.
 I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good results. The K3 must 
 be the simplest rig to set up for digital modes. Be prepared for 
 frustration though. You will hear much more than you can work!!
 73
 Max/ZL4VV















































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Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread Wes Stewart
What we have here is a failure to communicate.  When I say hear, I don't 
mean, see :-)

--- On Mon, 5/30/11, gold...@charter.net gold...@charter.net wrote:

 From: gold...@charter.net gold...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WSPR
 To: Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Max Kempson maxkemp...@clear.net.nz
 Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 8:02 PM
 It actually works fairly good.
 
 You dont get confirmed contacts per say, but you can see
 your 
 propagation information via a map on the
 web.   Its actaully fairly 
 amazing how far 0.5 watts can go.  I also now know
 what another signal 
 looks like on the DM780 trace.
 
 I played with it today and its another tool in the toolbox
 to see what 
 my antenna is capable of doing.
 
 Don
 KD8NNU
 
 
 On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
 
  Are you actually hearing anything?
 
  --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Max Kempson maxkemp...@clear.net.nz
 wrote:
 
  Extremely easy to set up, just two
  audio cable plus the serial port. I have had
 reports using
  100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using simple
 wire
  delta loop antenna. I have copied station from the
 UK who
  was using a small copper loop antenna, about 4
 feet
  diameter.
  I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good
 results.
  The K3 must be the simplest rig to set up for
 digital modes.
  Be prepared for frustration though. You will hear
 much more
  than you can work!!
  73
  Max/ZL4VV
 
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Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

2011-05-30 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's even more amazing how far 0.5 watts can be heard and information
exchanged using human brains as the encoder/decoder software. 

You can tell how far a few watts, even 100 mW (0.1 W) can be heard by simply
tuning in the NCDXF/IARU beacons on 20 through 10 meters - no computer, no
special software, just your receiver and your ears needed:

http://www.ncdxf.org/beacon/beaconschedule.html

Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:02 PM
To: Wes Stewart
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Max Kempson
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WSPR

It actually works fairly good.

You dont get confirmed contacts per say, but you can see your 
propagation information via a map on the web.   Its actaully fairly 
amazing how far 0.5 watts can go.  I also now know what another signal 
looks like on the DM780 trace.

I played with it today and its another tool in the toolbox to see what 
my antenna is capable of doing.

Don
KD8NNU


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

 Are you actually hearing anything?

 --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Max Kempson maxkemp...@clear.net.nz wrote:

 Extremely easy to set up, just two
 audio cable plus the serial port. I have had reports using
 100mW at over 200,000 Km per watt and using simple wire
 delta loop antenna. I have copied station from the UK who
 was using a small copper loop antenna, about 4 feet
 diameter.
 I am also active on JT65hf and getting very good results.
 The K3 must be the simplest rig to set up for digital modes.
 Be prepared for frustration though. You will hear much more
 than you can work!!
 73
 Max/ZL4VV

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