[Elecraft] K2 10m sensitivity

2011-06-06 Thread Alastair Couper
I have just received a new old K2 here. It has most of the important mods,  
AtoB upgrade, and is working as well as it can, as best I am able to  
determine. The alignment is fine, and it puts out OK on all bands. I have  
not been able to find any posts about the sensitivity on 15m-12m-10m being  
not so great. On 40m-80m-160m it is what I would expect. 20m it's just OK  
with wider filters, but there is plenty of internal noise with the  
narrower filters.

I don't have a microvolt source to get a precise reading. But with a 5 el  
yagi on 10m, band noise completely covers internal noise on my Yaesu. On  
the K2, I can hear the band noise, but the internal noise is rather more  
than I like. Even strong signals don't move the S meter much, and that is  
after I have tweaked the settings, and adjusted the AGC threshold.

I know audio filtering will help with this. I also did the mod to increase  
the gain of the RF preamp. I wonder if anyone else sees the 10m  
sensitivity as a problem? Is there perhaps a wider bandwidth transistor to  
use in place of the 2n5109?

NH7O
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[Elecraft] K3 general coverage RX with KBPF3

2011-06-06 Thread vanhau...@t-online.de
how is the sensivity with KBPF3 for RX outside of HAM bands? Is KBPF3
(and KFL3A-6K) a good invest or is a better way to buy a special radio
for BCR RX (eg. like Perseus or PMSDR)?
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[Elecraft] K3 Board Re-seating Guidelines

2011-06-06 Thread John K3TN
I'm having a couple of interrmittent K3 problems, both of which have lead to
suggestions of reseating the boards. The oldest problem is the VFO A lockup
that an early warranty trip back to Elecraft came back with problem not
found, probably cured by FedEx jostling on the way. That has occasionally
re-appeared, but a new problem (intermittent hum related to mic/headphone
connection to MK2R+ interface) has started up. 

Is there a document or any instructions on disassembly/board reseating? I
didn't build the K3, I've Googled and search Elecraft.com. The K3 Assembly
Manual doesn't seem to cover it, I've found guides for installing the DSP
board and some AF stage upgrade guides that have disassembly instructions
for those particular actions but wondering if there is a reseating guide
floating around out there somewhere.

Thanks, John K3TN


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Buddy Brannan
More to the point, and maybe I'm missing something very obvious, wouldn't 
having as good a receiver as possible be nothing but good for portable, 
compromise antenna operation? I mean, wouldn't you want your receiver to do as 
much with the available radio energy as possible, especially when you have to 
make compromises on antennas? Also, Can't work 'em if you can't hear 'em eems 
to apply here. What good is a bigger signal if you can't hear who's hearing 
you? 

I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing the KX3. Pedestrian portable is 
very appealing to me, especially since I can't stick my rig in the car (because 
I don't have one...a car, I mean). 
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

 John,
 
 You can also think of the KX3 as a full-featured (if ultra-compact)  
 desktop radio, with a full 100 W if you add the external amp. Hence  
 the excellent receiver performance :)
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:25 PM, juergen wrote:
 
 Hi Kristinn
 
 What i dont get is  why people expect so much performance from a
 so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable operation  
 generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for weight, size and  
 battery life.
 
 While its nice having great receiver specifications, you do have to  
 be realistic about the real world requirements that is placed on the  
 receiver when operating portable.
 
 For me battery life, convenience and power output are very important  
 requirements rather than world beating receiver specifications.
 I would gladly have  30 watts output over ultimate receiver  
 performance. Most military manpacks run 20 to 30 watts for good  
 reasons.
 
 10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does not  demand a  
 receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic range.
 
 If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver performance for a  
 bargain price I wont say NO, however I can live with lesser receiver  
 performance when operating with marginal antennas.
 
 What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that will tune a 9 to  
 13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a end fed wire on all  
 bands. A low noise figure receiver  is important when using short  
 portable antennas.
 
 We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with baited breath. Time will  
 tell whether we will get a 10,000 dollar contest radio that fits  
 into the palm of your hand! After all my years of operating, I have  
 yet to have my DC receiver overload on 40 meters when operating  
 portable with full size low dipoles.
 
 73
 John
 
 
 
 --- On Sun, 6/5/11, TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 8:49 PM
 I am watching the KX3 evolution with
 great interest.  It appears to bear lots
 of resemblance to the K3, but it is not clear to me where
 these two will
 differ.  Or, for that matter, how the KX3 will compare
 against some of the
 other rigs around today.
 
 Is there any place that shows, or can someone list up, the
 primary
 differences between, say, KX3 and K3?  Not only in
 terms of technical specs
 (IMD, etc.), but also the internal structure (both with
 similar RF/DSP
 architecture?), features, etc.?
 
 73 - Kristinn, TF3KX
 ..proud maker and owner of K2 #6425
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Jack Chomley
The KX3 will be just what I need, for my kayak, marine mobile ;-)
http://vk4djc.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=11608735

73,

Jack VK4JRC

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:

 More to the point, and maybe I'm missing something very obvious, wouldn't
 having as good a receiver as possible be nothing but good for portable,
 compromise antenna operation? I mean, wouldn't you want your receiver to do
 as much with the available radio energy as possible, especially when you
 have to make compromises on antennas? Also, Can't work 'em if you can't
 hear 'em eems to apply here. What good is a bigger signal if you can't hear
 who's hearing you?

 I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing the KX3. Pedestrian
 portable is very appealing to me, especially since I can't stick my rig in
 the car (because I don't have one...a car, I mean).
 --
 Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



 On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

  John,
 
  You can also think of the KX3 as a full-featured (if ultra-compact)
  desktop radio, with a full 100 W if you add the external amp. Hence
  the excellent receiver performance :)
 
  73,
  Wayne
  N6KR
 
  On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:25 PM, juergen wrote:
 
  Hi Kristinn
 
  What i dont get is  why people expect so much performance from a
  so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable operation
  generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for weight, size and
  battery life.
 
  While its nice having great receiver specifications, you do have to
  be realistic about the real world requirements that is placed on the
  receiver when operating portable.
 
  For me battery life, convenience and power output are very important
  requirements rather than world beating receiver specifications.
  I would gladly have  30 watts output over ultimate receiver
  performance. Most military manpacks run 20 to 30 watts for good
  reasons.
 
  10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does not  demand a
  receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic range.
 
  If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver performance for a
  bargain price I wont say NO, however I can live with lesser receiver
  performance when operating with marginal antennas.
 
  What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that will tune a 9 to
  13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a end fed wire on all
  bands. A low noise figure receiver  is important when using short
  portable antennas.
 
  We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with baited breath. Time will
  tell whether we will get a 10,000 dollar contest radio that fits
  into the palm of your hand! After all my years of operating, I have
  yet to have my DC receiver overload on 40 meters when operating
  portable with full size low dipoles.
 
  73
  John
 
 
 
  --- On Sun, 6/5/11, TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com
  Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 8:49 PM
  I am watching the KX3 evolution with
  great interest.  It appears to bear lots
  of resemblance to the K3, but it is not clear to me where
  these two will
  differ.  Or, for that matter, how the KX3 will compare
  against some of the
  other rigs around today.
 
  Is there any place that shows, or can someone list up, the
  primary
  differences between, say, KX3 and K3?  Not only in
  terms of technical specs
  (IMD, etc.), but also the internal structure (both with
  similar RF/DSP
  architecture?), features, etc.?
 
  73 - Kristinn, TF3KX
  ..proud maker and owner of K2 #6425
 
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[Elecraft] Re K2 10m sensitivity

2011-06-06 Thread Dave, G4AON
My K2 has 0.1uV sensitivity for 10 dB signal to noise on 10m with 
pre-amp on, or 0.16uV with pre-amp off. The K2 has quite low gain 
compared to many radios and often needs the pre-amp switched in for the 
higher bands, also have you checked the alignment?

There are various tables of measurements on my web site at: 
http://www.astromag.co.uk/k2/

73 Dave, G4AON
K2 #1892, K3 #80



I have not been able to find any posts about the sensitivity on 
15m-12m-10m being
not so great. On 40m-80m-160m it is what I would expect. 20m it's just OK
with wider filters, but there is plenty of internal noise with the
narrower filters.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Mark Bayern
I think part of the problem when discussing 'good receiver
performance' is in the definition. In a trail friendly radio I expect
a receiver that is able create a readable signal with a very
inefficient antenna. To me a TFR doesn't have to worry so much about
blocking locally produced strong signals. I wouldn't expect a TFR to
do well as well as a K3 at a multi-transmitter contest site such as
Field Day.

Mark AD5SS





On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote:
 More to the point, and maybe I'm missing something very obvious, wouldn't 
 having as good a receiver as possible be nothing but good for portable, 
 compromise antenna operation? I mean, wouldn't you want your receiver to do 
 as much with the available radio energy as possible, especially when you have 
 to make compromises on antennas? Also, Can't work 'em if you can't hear 'em 
 eems to apply here. What good is a bigger signal if you can't hear who's 
 hearing you?

 I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing the KX3. Pedestrian portable 
 is very appealing to me, especially since I can't stick my rig in the car 
 (because I don't have one...a car, I mean).
 --
 Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
 Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



 On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

 John,

 You can also think of the KX3 as a full-featured (if ultra-compact)
 desktop radio, with a full 100 W if you add the external amp. Hence
 the excellent receiver performance :)

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:25 PM, juergen wrote:

 Hi Kristinn

 What i dont get is  why people expect so much performance from a
 so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable operation
 generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for weight, size and
 battery life.

 While its nice having great receiver specifications, you do have to
 be realistic about the real world requirements that is placed on the
 receiver when operating portable.

 For me battery life, convenience and power output are very important
 requirements rather than world beating receiver specifications.
 I would gladly have  30 watts output over ultimate receiver
 performance. Most military manpacks run 20 to 30 watts for good
 reasons.

 10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does not  demand a
 receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic range.

 If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver performance for a
 bargain price I wont say NO, however I can live with lesser receiver
 performance when operating with marginal antennas.

 What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that will tune a 9 to
 13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a end fed wire on all
 bands. A low noise figure receiver  is important when using short
 portable antennas.

 We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with baited breath. Time will
 tell whether we will get a 10,000 dollar contest radio that fits
 into the palm of your hand! After all my years of operating, I have
 yet to have my DC receiver overload on 40 meters when operating
 portable with full size low dipoles.

 73
 John



 --- On Sun, 6/5/11, TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: TF3KX kristi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 8:49 PM
 I am watching the KX3 evolution with
 great interest.  It appears to bear lots
 of resemblance to the K3, but it is not clear to me where
 these two will
 differ.  Or, for that matter, how the KX3 will compare
 against some of the
 other rigs around today.

 Is there any place that shows, or can someone list up, the
 primary
 differences between, say, KX3 and K3?  Not only in
 terms of technical specs
 (IMD, etc.), but also the internal structure (both with
 similar RF/DSP
 architecture?), features, etc.?

 73 - Kristinn, TF3KX
 ..proud maker and owner of K2 #6425

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 general coverage RX with KBPF3

2011-06-06 Thread Dave, G4AON
My K3 has around 10 dB worse image rejection when operating outside the 
ham bands with a KBPF3. Sensitivity is mostly OK except when using the 
main (TX) antenna socket were the sensitivity drops off below 1 MHz and 
is about 20 dB less sensitive on 500 KHz. If you use the KXV3 
transverter interface the sensitivity isn't reduced.

I also have a Perseus, which is really good but of course requires a 
computer. If you are seriously into broadcast band listening the Perseus 
offers the neat trick of allowing you to record 1600 KHz chunks of 
frequency to replay later, which means you can record the whole of long 
and medium wave overnight and listen the following day.

73 Dave, G4AON
--
how is the sensivity with KBPF3 for RX outside of HAM bands? Is KBPF3
(and KFL3A-6K) a good invest or is a better way to buy a special radio
for BCR RX (eg. like Perseus or PMSDR)?
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 10m sensitivity

2011-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
  The 10 meter sensitivity of the K2 is normally quite good.
I would suggest checking the tuning of the bandpass filters.
When tuning the bandpass filters, remember that they are shared by 2 
bands, and you must tune the inductors first, and after that, tune the 
capacitors.  Do 10 meters first, then 12 meters -- do 15 meters first 
and after than do 17 meters.

Set the K2 power to 2 watts, connect a dummy load and adjust the proper 
bandpass filter element for a peak in the power output.  If the power 
increases dramatically, exit tune and then re-enter to drop the starting 
power back down to the 2 watt level.

After adjusting the bandpass filters to a peak during a transmit (or 
tune), they are properly tuned for receive too.

You will need to buy or borrow a calibrated signal generator to make any 
definitive measurements of the sensitivity.  It is difficult to make a 
judgement based on antenna noise alone without some instrumentation.  
The Elecraft XG3 is a great tool to do exactly that - it has controlled 
output levels and can be used to make MDS measurements, and you can use 
it to properly set your S-meter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/6/2011 3:36 AM, Alastair Couper wrote:
 I have just received a new old K2 here. It has most of the important mods,
 AtoB upgrade, and is working as well as it can, as best I am able to
 determine. The alignment is fine, and it puts out OK on all bands. I have
 not been able to find any posts about the sensitivity on 15m-12m-10m being
 not so great. On 40m-80m-160m it is what I would expect. 20m it's just OK
 with wider filters, but there is plenty of internal noise with the
 narrower filters.

 I don't have a microvolt source to get a precise reading. But with a 5 el
 yagi on 10m, band noise completely covers internal noise on my Yaesu. On
 the K2, I can hear the band noise, but the internal noise is rather more
 than I like. Even strong signals don't move the S meter much, and that is
 after I have tweaked the settings, and adjusted the AGC threshold.

 I know audio filtering will help with this. I also did the mod to increase
 the gain of the RF preamp. I wonder if anyone else sees the 10m
 sensitivity as a problem? Is there perhaps a wider bandwidth transistor to
 use in place of the 2n5109?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Board Re-seating Guidelines

2011-06-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
  John,

There is nothing specific to re-seating.
If you use the existing board assembly steps in reverse, then put it 
back together again, you will have accomplished the re-seating.

Normally, you do not have to re-seat all the connectors - just the ones 
involved in the problem, and it normally involves the DSP and Front 
Panel boards.  The replacement steps for the upgraded DSP board should 
have all the information needed to do that task.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/6/2011 6:46 AM, John K3TN wrote:
 I'm having a couple of interrmittent K3 problems, both of which have lead to
 suggestions of reseating the boards. The oldest problem is the VFO A lockup
 that an early warranty trip back to Elecraft came back with problem not
 found, probably cured by FedEx jostling on the way. That has occasionally
 re-appeared, but a new problem (intermittent hum related to mic/headphone
 connection to MK2R+ interface) has started up.

 Is there a document or any instructions on disassembly/board reseating? I
 didn't build the K3, I've Googled and search Elecraft.com. The K3 Assembly
 Manual doesn't seem to cover it, I've found guides for installing the DSP
 board and some AF stage upgrade guides that have disassembly instructions
 for those particular actions but wondering if there is a reseating guide
 floating around out there somewhere.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Dave KQ3T
Here are a couple of additional factors to consider.

1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would have an impact on 
either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to maintain a 
desired battery life) or the battery life (the existing batteries would 
not last as long at the higher power level).

2. It is much easier to add an external power amplifier, if desired, 
than to significantly improve receiver performance at a later date.

73,
Dave, KQ3T

On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
 Hi Kristinn

 What i dont get is  why people expect so much performance from a
 so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable operation generally uses 
 poor antennas and is optimized for weight, size and battery life.

 While its nice having great receiver specifications, you do have to be 
 realistic about the real world requirements that is placed on the receiver 
 when operating portable.

 For me battery life, convenience and power output are very important 
 requirements rather than world beating receiver specifications.
 I would gladly have  30 watts output over ultimate receiver performance. Most 
 military manpacks run 20 to 30 watts for good reasons.

 10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does not  demand a receiver 
 with 100db of IMD dynamic range.

 If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver performance for a bargain price I 
 wont say NO, however I can live with lesser receiver performance when 
 operating with marginal antennas.

 What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that will tune a 9 to 13 ft 
 whip on all bands, or alternatively a end fed wire on all bands. A low noise 
 figure receiver  is important when using short portable antennas.

 We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with baited breath. Time will tell 
 whether we will get a 10,000 dollar contest radio that fits into the palm of 
 your hand! After all my years of operating, I have yet to have my DC receiver 
 overload on 40 meters when operating portable with full size low dipoles.

 73
 John


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[Elecraft] P3 Fixed Tune Mode

2011-06-06 Thread Lu Romero
I think this is a very good idea.  

My preference of course would be if the window on the P3
would track/scroll as you move the VFO, keeping the VFO
frequency centered, a la Icom.  I realize that this would
mess up the waterfall... So dont allow it when using the
waterfall or a split spectrum/waterfall display!  Just allow
it when the unit displays only the spectrum display.  The
difficult thing would be to manage the fonts and the
graticule... I dont know if there is enough processing power
in the P3 MCU to deal with this.

I would also like to add my vote for the ability to monitor
my transmitted signal (without having to unplug the serial
port) on the P3 display.

But most of all, I would like to see a factory approved
modification that would allow me to place the P3 on the IF
output of my KRX3 so that I could monitor another band, say
10 meters, for signals while working a run on, for example,
20 meters.  This output could be switchable from the K3
panel (Main RX/Sub RX).  

An even NEATER trick would be to split the screen to two
displays, one the spectrum of the main, the other the
spectrum of the sub.  I would even accept a 50% screen
refresh penalty for this feature, sort of like the spectrum
display works on Orion.

Knowing when the second band has signals on it without the
cluster... *THAT* would really be a terrific thing to me!

Lu Romero - W4LT
K3 # 3192, (P3 wrapped up as a Fathers Day present from the
family). 

--

Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:47:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike K2MK k...@comcast.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed Tune Mode
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 1307303233287-6443027.p...@n2.nabble.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

In my limited use of my P3 I have found that I prefer to use
the Fixed Tune
Mode. I also prefer to spin the VFO dial to a signal rather
than using the
markers and the push button. Maybe this will change later.
But what I have
noticed is that all too often, the signal of interest is at
the extreme left
or right screen edge. I would prefer if the screen
changeover would occur 1
or 2 KHz before the VFO cursor reaches the screen edge. And
I would like my
VFO cursor to be 1 or 2 KHz away from the edge after the
screen refreshes.
Is this of interest to anyone else.

73,
Mike K2MK


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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread David Yarnes
Wayne,

If a VHF option is possible, but would require some substitution, is it 
possible to have it be an alternative to the internal battery option instead 
of the ATU?  Maybe I'm in the minority, but to me, the internal ATU is much 
more valuable than the battery option.  External power is much less 
problematic than a good ATU.  I'm pretty sure that, if I had to pick between 
the ATU and a VHF option, I'd drop the VHF idea.  I suppose, though, the ATU 
wouldn't be operational on VHF anyway, so perhaps that is why you suggest it 
as the alternative option?

Dave W7AQK






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[Elecraft] Wanted: MH2 Hand Mic

2011-06-06 Thread David Inger
Ladies  Gents:
 
Does anyone have an Elecraft MH2 hand mic that they would like to part with?
If so,  please contact me directly at
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed Tune Mode

2011-06-06 Thread Rick Prather
Lu,

Isn't tracking the VFO the way the P3 works when in Tracking mode  ?

Am I misunderstanding you?

BTW, the split screen with inputs from both receivers is a great idea!

Rick
K6LE


On 6/6/2011, at 7:07 , Lu Romero wrote:

 
 My preference of course would be if the window on the P3
 would track/scroll as you move the VFO, keeping the VFO
 frequency centered, a la Icom.  I realize that this would
 mess up the waterfall... So dont allow it when using the
 waterfall or a split spectrum/waterfall display!  Just allow
 it when the unit displays only the spectrum display.  The
 difficult thing would be to manage the fonts and the
 graticule... I dont know if there is enough processing power
 in the P3 MCU to deal with this.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU

Has anyone received a kit or shipping confirmation on kits?  The website 
says they would be shipping last week.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I will start by stating that the Texas DX Society has found the Kenwood TS-480 
to have a receiver that is adequate for DXpedition and Field Day work.  As 
contest director of TDXS I am in complete agreement with this finding.  I know 
only what has been published on this forum about the KX3 which leads me to 
believe that the KX3 will probably have a better receiver than the TS-480 and 
approach that of the K3.  The architecture of the KX3 promises to be a good 
deal 
more flexible that the TS-480 with a control head and remote transceiver.  The 
TS-480 is not in the picture for a back pack operation.  My opinion is that the 
KX3 will be a great winner if it equals the TS-480 because it is more 
flexible.  
If it is as good as the K3, that is even better.  If any design team is capable 
of K3 performance in a flexible package, it is Wayne, Eric, et. al. and I am 
eager to see how they come out.  They are very brave to give us the preliminary 
peek we now have and I am eager to see the final product, but not so eager that 
I want them to release it before they are ready.  

 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart 
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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread John Ragle
This is exactly correct! A bad (i.e. incapable) ATU is useless, and 
for mobile, at least, external power is not a problem. Even using the 
radio as a BPS (backpacker's special) it is much less problematic to 
carry a small external battery pack than an external ATU. You can use 
the battery pack to keep your electric socks warm while waiting for 
sunspots...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

On 6/6/2011 10:31 AM, David Yarnes wrote: [snip]
 ...If a VHF option is possible, but would require some substitution, is it
 possible to have it be an alternative to the internal battery option instead
 of the ATU?  Maybe I'm in the minority, but to me, the internal ATU is much
 more valuable than the battery option.  External power is much less
 problematic than a good ATU...

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread juergen

Hi Dave 

The point you make about the added complexity is valid.

However from a communications effectiveness point of  20 watts is a much more 
realistic power level, especially for SSB QSO's.  Most of the Mil Manpacks  use 
this output power level.

I operate portable using mil HF manpacks with the power varying between 20 and 
30 watts. I also have a SGC2020. 95% of the time on the first call I can get 
through  and have the standard cookie cutter qso's and move on. If you try and 
do the same with 10 watts  its very frustrating and much more of a struggle. 
These are NA Q's not local stuff. 5 to 10 watts is good power level for CW. For 
SSB 20 watts is far more effective, even with simple whips. Everyone will say 
its only 3db, however that 3db makes a huge difference when using  simple 
antennas especially on SSB.

While the AMP might be the answer,  looking at the projected images and size, 
it will be a huge hassle carrying another box around. If you consider the size 
of Yaesu FT857, which runs a full 100 watts of output and its design  is very 
neatly integrated into a tiny package, the KX3 with an external  amplifier will 
be awkward by comparison.

A FT857 with some AA batteries was carried to the top of Mount Kilimanjaro by 
HB9BXE. The operator successfully had many qso at 20 watts of output. He 
probably would not have  packed a KX3 and amplifier if it was available then. 

I dont see why  a duplicate of the KX3's PA could mot be offered as a piggy 
back box with another set of 8 batteries. I would rather follow  that option 
than the 100 watt linear option. It certainly would be a lot smaller and 
portable than the 100 watt PA. I am sure many homebrewers will explore this 
option.

Anyway time will tell. There is always the hombrew/modification option. The KX3 
has a lot of potential and the design  is 98% there.

73
John

--- On Mon, 6/6/11, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:40 AM
 Here are a couple of additional
 factors to consider.
 
 1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would have
 an impact on 
 either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to
 maintain a 
 desired battery life) or the battery life (the existing
 batteries would 
 not last as long at the higher power level).
 
 2. It is much easier to add an external power amplifier, if
 desired, 
 than to significantly improve receiver performance at a
 later date.
 
 73,
 Dave, KQ3T
 
 On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
  Hi Kristinn
 
  What i dont get is  why people expect so much
 performance from a
  so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable
 operation generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for
 weight, size and battery life.
 
  While its nice having great receiver specifications,
 you do have to be realistic about the real world
 requirements that is placed on the receiver when operating
 portable.
 
  For me battery life, convenience and power output are
 very important requirements rather than world beating
 receiver specifications.
  I would gladly have  30 watts output over
 ultimate receiver performance. Most military manpacks run 20
 to 30 watts for good reasons.
 
  10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does
 not  demand a receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic
 range.
 
  If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver
 performance for a bargain price I wont say NO, however I can
 live with lesser receiver performance when operating with
 marginal antennas.
 
  What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that
 will tune a 9 to 13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a
 end fed wire on all bands. A low noise figure receiver 
 is important when using short portable antennas.
 
  We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with
 baited breath. Time will tell whether we will get a 10,000
 dollar contest radio that fits into the palm of your hand!
 After all my years of operating, I have yet to have my DC
 receiver overload on 40 meters when operating portable with
 full size low dipoles.
 
  73
  John
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Dave KK7SS
Back in the late '60's I helped develope and test the first RACAL military SSB 
Manpack (basically 3-8 Mhz).
It used an flexible tape whip approcimately 10ft long.
This was end loaded using a permeability tuned circuit internal to the rig.
Although it worked well, I don't believe there is enough room in the KX3 for 
such a circuit.

Also, the antenna was mounted directly on the face-plate to minimize losses 
(Hah!) I'm pretty sure the PCB mounted antenna socket on the KX3 (a guess!) 
would not be able to take the stress.

As for if your can't hear them... etc., my K2 could hear the rare DX but, 
with my low backyard dipole, most of the time I couldn't work them... but it 
was still a thrill to be able to hear them.

My best qrp SSB dx (to date) with 5W + dipole is Beijing on 20M. Just dumb luck 
Grin

73 to all.  :-) 

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'65 Sprite - in process
'76 Midget - shared with my #4 son.
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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
The KXAT3 will have the same matching range as the KAT3. The only  
difference is the power-handling capability, and the use of latching  
relays so RX-mode current drain is zero when not actually tuning the L- 
network.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM, John Ragle wrote:

 This is exactly correct! A bad (i.e. incapable) ATU is useless, and
 for mobile, at least, external power is not a problem. Even using the
 radio as a BPS (backpacker's special) it is much less problematic to
 carry a small external battery pack than an external ATU. You can use
 the battery pack to keep your electric socks warm while waiting for
 sunspots...

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 On 6/6/2011 10:31 AM, David Yarnes wrote: [snip]
 ...If a VHF option is possible, but would require some  
 substitution, is it
 possible to have it be an alternative to the internal battery  
 option instead
 of the ATU?  Maybe I'm in the minority, but to me, the internal ATU  
 is much
 more valuable than the battery option.  External power is much less
 problematic than a good ATU...

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
We could offer a KXPA30 amplifier to deal with the need for more power  
in a much smaller size. But not anytime soon

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, juergen wrote:


 Hi Dave

 The point you make about the added complexity is valid.

 However from a communications effectiveness point of  20 watts is a  
 much more realistic power level, especially for SSB QSO's.  Most of  
 the Mil Manpacks  use this output power level.

 I operate portable using mil HF manpacks with the power varying  
 between 20 and 30 watts. I also have a SGC2020. 95% of the time on  
 the first call I can get through  and have the standard cookie  
 cutter qso's and move on. If you try and do the same with 10 watts   
 its very frustrating and much more of a struggle. These are NA Q's  
 not local stuff. 5 to 10 watts is good power level for CW. For SSB  
 20 watts is far more effective, even with simple whips. Everyone  
 will say its only 3db, however that 3db makes a huge difference when  
 using  simple antennas especially on SSB.

 While the AMP might be the answer,  looking at the projected images  
 and size, it will be a huge hassle carrying another box around. If  
 you consider the size of Yaesu FT857, which runs a full 100 watts of  
 output and its design  is very neatly integrated into a tiny  
 package, the KX3 with an external  amplifier will be awkward by  
 comparison.

 A FT857 with some AA batteries was carried to the top of Mount  
 Kilimanjaro by HB9BXE. The operator successfully had many qso at 20  
 watts of output. He probably would not have  packed a KX3 and  
 amplifier if it was available then.

 I dont see why  a duplicate of the KX3's PA could mot be offered as  
 a piggy back box with another set of 8 batteries. I would rather  
 follow  that option than the 100 watt linear option. It certainly  
 would be a lot smaller and portable than the 100 watt PA. I am sure  
 many homebrewers will explore this option.

 Anyway time will tell. There is always the hombrew/modification  
 option. The KX3 has a lot of potential and the design  is 98% there.

 73
 John

 --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:40 AM
 Here are a couple of additional
 factors to consider.

 1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would have
 an impact on
 either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to
 maintain a
 desired battery life) or the battery life (the existing
 batteries would
 not last as long at the higher power level).

 2. It is much easier to add an external power amplifier, if
 desired,
 than to significantly improve receiver performance at a
 later date.

 73,
 Dave, KQ3T

 On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
 Hi Kristinn

 What i dont get is  why people expect so much
 performance from a
 so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable
 operation generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for
 weight, size and battery life.

 While its nice having great receiver specifications,
 you do have to be realistic about the real world
 requirements that is placed on the receiver when operating
 portable.

 For me battery life, convenience and power output are
 very important requirements rather than world beating
 receiver specifications.
 I would gladly have  30 watts output over
 ultimate receiver performance. Most military manpacks run 20
 to 30 watts for good reasons.

 10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does
 not  demand a receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic
 range.

 If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver
 performance for a bargain price I wont say NO, however I can
 live with lesser receiver performance when operating with
 marginal antennas.

 What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that
 will tune a 9 to 13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a
 end fed wire on all bands. A low noise figure receiver
 is important when using short portable antennas.

 We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with
 baited breath. Time will tell whether we will get a 10,000
 dollar contest radio that fits into the palm of your hand!
 After all my years of operating, I have yet to have my DC
 receiver overload on 40 meters when operating portable with
 full size low dipoles.

 73
 John


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Rob May

I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing us 
along.  I don't mind waiting, I waited 5 months for my K3, just tell me a 
realistic date.  I ordered my kit early the first day that they were offered 
and no word yet.  Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, 
I'll meet you at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)

Rob
NV5E



 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:18 -0600
 From: w...@w0mu.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits
 
 
 Has anyone received a kit or shipping confirmation on kits?  The website 
 says they would be shipping last week.
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[Elecraft] KX3 - power output?

2011-06-06 Thread Dave KK7SS
If my 5W isn't quite up to the job, then I switch in my Version 1 HF Packer Amp 
(~35W max).
It's small (3x3x6), simple and the extra 'kick' usually helps.
Of course, the boost in power out needs a proportional boost in power supply!

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Stephen Prior
Wayne,

Don't forget the KXPA200 for the car!

73, Stephen G4SJP



On 6 June 2011 16:26, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 We could offer a KXPA30 amplifier to deal with the need for more power
 in a much smaller size. But not anytime soon

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR


 On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, juergen wrote:

 
  Hi Dave
 
  The point you make about the added complexity is valid.
 
  However from a communications effectiveness point of  20 watts is a
  much more realistic power level, especially for SSB QSO's.  Most of
  the Mil Manpacks  use this output power level.
 
  I operate portable using mil HF manpacks with the power varying
  between 20 and 30 watts. I also have a SGC2020. 95% of the time on
  the first call I can get through  and have the standard cookie
  cutter qso's and move on. If you try and do the same with 10 watts
  its very frustrating and much more of a struggle. These are NA Q's
  not local stuff. 5 to 10 watts is good power level for CW. For SSB
  20 watts is far more effective, even with simple whips. Everyone
  will say its only 3db, however that 3db makes a huge difference when
  using  simple antennas especially on SSB.
 
  While the AMP might be the answer,  looking at the projected images
  and size, it will be a huge hassle carrying another box around. If
  you consider the size of Yaesu FT857, which runs a full 100 watts of
  output and its design  is very neatly integrated into a tiny
  package, the KX3 with an external  amplifier will be awkward by
  comparison.
 
  A FT857 with some AA batteries was carried to the top of Mount
  Kilimanjaro by HB9BXE. The operator successfully had many qso at 20
  watts of output. He probably would not have  packed a KX3 and
  amplifier if it was available then.
 
  I dont see why  a duplicate of the KX3's PA could mot be offered as
  a piggy back box with another set of 8 batteries. I would rather
  follow  that option than the 100 watt linear option. It certainly
  would be a lot smaller and portable than the 100 watt PA. I am sure
  many homebrewers will explore this option.
 
  Anyway time will tell. There is always the hombrew/modification
  option. The KX3 has a lot of potential and the design  is 98% there.
 
  73
  John
 
  --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  From: Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:40 AM
  Here are a couple of additional
  factors to consider.
 
  1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would have
  an impact on
  either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to
  maintain a
  desired battery life) or the battery life (the existing
  batteries would
  not last as long at the higher power level).
 
  2. It is much easier to add an external power amplifier, if
  desired,
  than to significantly improve receiver performance at a
  later date.
 
  73,
  Dave, KQ3T
 
  On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
  Hi Kristinn
 
  What i dont get is  why people expect so much
  performance from a
  so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable
  operation generally uses poor antennas and is optimized for
  weight, size and battery life.
 
  While its nice having great receiver specifications,
  you do have to be realistic about the real world
  requirements that is placed on the receiver when operating
  portable.
 
  For me battery life, convenience and power output are
  very important requirements rather than world beating
  receiver specifications.
  I would gladly have  30 watts output over
  ultimate receiver performance. Most military manpacks run 20
  to 30 watts for good reasons.
 
  10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation does
  not  demand a receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic
  range.
 
  If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver
  performance for a bargain price I wont say NO, however I can
  live with lesser receiver performance when operating with
  marginal antennas.
 
  What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that
  will tune a 9 to 13 ft whip on all bands, or alternatively a
  end fed wire on all bands. A low noise figure receiver
  is important when using short portable antennas.
 
  We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with
  baited breath. Time will tell whether we will get a 10,000
  dollar contest radio that fits into the palm of your hand!
  After all my years of operating, I have yet to have my DC
  receiver overload on 40 meters when operating portable with
  full size low dipoles.
 
  73
  John
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Alan Bloom
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 07:28 -0500, Mark Bayern wrote:
 ...a trail friendly radio ... doesn't have to worry so much about
 blocking locally produced strong signals. I wouldn't expect a TFR to
 do well as well as a K3 at a multi-transmitter contest site such as
 Field Day.

But I think Field Day would be a prime application for the KX3.  A
bullet-proof front end and a low-phase-noise transmitter are essential
when you have antennas spaced close together like on a FD site.

Also, I suspect a lot of people are going to use the KX3 for their fixed
station as well.  It would make a great starter rig for a new ham or as
a second rig for an old timer.

Alan N1AL


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[Elecraft] KX3 - 5Mhz question

2011-06-06 Thread Dave KK7SS
Will the KX3 5Mhz operation be tuneable or channelised (to allow for the 
vagaries of the FCC!)
If channelised I assume (yes, I know what it means!) it will be software 
controlled and thus upgradeable if amateur priviledges are changed g

Dave G.  KK7SS
DN06ijRichland, WA

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Alan Bloom
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 08:10 -0700, juergen wrote:

 However from a communications effectiveness point of  20 watts is a
 much more realistic power level, especially for SSB QSO's.

The difference between 10 and 20 watts is only 3 dB, half an S-unit.
Compared to the 20-30 dB of QSB you often find on the HF bands, you
would hardly even notice such a small difference.  I think it is quite
rare that 3 dB would be the difference between making a contact or not.

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - 5Mhz question

2011-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
Fully configurable in software.

Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Dave KK7SS wrote:

 Will the KX3 5Mhz operation be tuneable or channelised (to allow for  
 the vagaries of the FCC!)
 If channelised I assume (yes, I know what it means!) it will be  
 software controlled and thus upgradeable if amateur priviledges are  
 changed g

 Dave G.  KK7SS
 DN06ijRichland, WA

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Redmon
Great idea, Rob!  (Hamcom delivery) If this is possible, count me in, 
too. (order confirmed 4-8)

73, Bob K5SM

On 6/6/2011 10:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
 I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
 really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing us 
 along.  I don't mind waiting, I waited 5 months for my K3, just tell me a 
 realistic date.  I ordered my kit early the first day that they were offered 
 and no word yet.  Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, 
 I'll meet you at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)

 Rob
 NV5E



 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:18 -0600
 From: w...@w0mu.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits


 Has anyone received a kit or shipping confirmation on kits?  The website
 says they would be shipping last week.
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Ken Wagner K3IU
My order was confirmed about 6 minutes 
after the order book opened and I have 
heard nothing yet, so don't get your 
hopes up.:-)
73,
Ken K3IU

On 6/6/2011 12:14 PM, Robert Redmon wrote:
 Great idea, Rob!  (Hamcom delivery) If this is possible, count me in,
 too. (order confirmed 4-8)

 73, Bob K5SM

 On 6/6/2011 10:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
 I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
 really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing 
 us along.  I don't mind waiting, I waited 5 months for my K3, just tell me a 
 realistic date.  I ordered my kit early the first day that they were offered 
 and no word yet.  Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, 
 I'll meet you at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)

 Rob
 NV5E



 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:38:18 -0600
 From: w...@w0mu.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits


 Has anyone received a kit or shipping confirmation on kits?  The website
 says they would be shipping last week.
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread n5ge

I suspect the delay is the printing of the assembly manual.  When you see the
word PRELIMINARY removed from the manual at the link below you will start seeing
them ship.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Prelim%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual.pdf

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE


On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:27:53 -0500, Rob May roblitesp...@hotmail.com wrote:


I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing us 
along.  I don't mind waiting, I waited 5 months for my K3, just tell me a 
realistic date.  I ordered my kit early the first day that they were offered 
and no word yet.  Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, 
I'll meet you at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)

Rob
NV5E
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 86, Issue 14

2011-06-06 Thread Hall, Nathon
Yay! Make it bolt to the underside of the KX3 with a cavity for a
skookum battery of our choice and you've got an instant winner for
tactical SSB. An effective ATU would need to be part of the design;
something that would tune a modest-size whip.

I still maintain that 10W - even with speech compression - is not enough
for SSB. Part of the problem is that many 'home base' stations suffer
from high manmade noise levels. Operating portable in the bush with a
hot receiver it may seem like they should be able to copy us because
their 100W signal is S9, but if their noise is S8 and the bush radio is
only 10W ... 

Practical tests communicating between bush camp and home consistently
proved that 10W CW was clear copy every night, but SSB was hit and miss.
25 watts would have made all the difference. I would have been totally
happy with cw, except the other hams in my family are morse-challenged.

Nathon VE7ETS

---
 We could offer a KXPA30 amplifier to deal with the need for more power

 in a much smaller size. But not anytime soon

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
The first kits went out to field testers last week (or so). They're
now providing feedback on the assembly-from-kit experience (we saw
W0YK's report). One might speculate that the final manual printing is
awaiting incorporation of that feedback. or perhaps they'll just
include errata with the kits that ship to the rest of us...

~iain / N6ML


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM,  n...@n5ge.com wrote:

 I suspect the delay is the printing of the assembly manual.  When you see the
 word PRELIMINARY removed from the manual at the link below you will start 
 seeing
 them ship.

 That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Prelim%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual.pdf

 73,
 Tom
 Amateur Radio Operator N5GE


 On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:27:53 -0500, Rob May roblitesp...@hotmail.com wrote:


I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing us 
along.  I don't mind waiting, I waited 5 months for my K3, just tell me a 
realistic date.  I ordered my kit early the first day that they were offered 
and no word yet.  Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, 
I'll meet you at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)

Rob
NV5E
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Eugene Balinski
All,

   The improvement in communications effectiveness of 20
watts verses 10 watts is valid - much more than the 3 dB
increase in power would seem to suggest.  I have seen the
same results as with my SG-2020 as was mentioned below.
 Part of the effectiveness of that particular radio is the
VOGAD speech processor as well.  A similar algorithm for
the KX3 speech process might be something to consider
later.

   A small 30W PA with antenna tuner that would mount to
the back of the KX3 would be simply amazing. Include a
larger rechargeable battery pack and it probably couldn't
get much better - IMHO 

73

Gene K1NR

K2 6Kxx

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:26:14 -0700
 Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
 We could offer a KXPA30 amplifier to deal with the need
 for more power  
 in a much smaller size. But not anytime soon
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
 
 On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, juergen wrote:
 
 
  Hi Dave
 
  The point you make about the added complexity is valid.
 
  However from a communications effectiveness point of
  20 watts is a  
  much more realistic power level, especially for SSB
 QSO's.  Most of  
  the Mil Manpacks  use this output power level.
 
  I operate portable using mil HF manpacks with the power
 varying  
  between 20 and 30 watts. I also have a SGC2020. 95% of
 the time on  
  the first call I can get through  and have the standard
 cookie  
  cutter qso's and move on. If you try and do the same
 with 10 watts   
  its very frustrating and much more of a struggle. These
 are NA Q's  
  not local stuff. 5 to 10 watts is good power level for
 CW. For SSB  
  20 watts is far more effective, even with simple whips.
 Everyone  
  will say its only 3db, however that 3db makes a huge
 difference when  
  using  simple antennas especially on SSB.
 
  While the AMP might be the answer,  looking at the
 projected images  
  and size, it will be a huge hassle carrying another box
 around. If  
  you consider the size of Yaesu FT857, which runs a full
 100 watts of  
  output and its design  is very neatly integrated into a
 tiny  
  package, the KX3 with an external  amplifier will be
 awkward by  
  comparison.
 
  A FT857 with some AA batteries was carried to the top
 of Mount  
  Kilimanjaro by HB9BXE. The operator successfully had
 many qso at 20  
  watts of output. He probably would not have  packed a
 KX3 and  
  amplifier if it was available then.
 
  I dont see why  a duplicate of the KX3's PA could mot
 be offered as  
  a piggy back box with another set of 8 batteries. I
 would rather  
  follow  that option than the 100 watt linear option. It
 certainly  
  would be a lot smaller and portable than the 100 watt
 PA. I am sure  
  many homebrewers will explore this option.
 
  Anyway time will tell. There is always the
 hombrew/modification  
  option. The KX3 has a lot of potential and the design
  is 98% there.
 
  73
  John
 
  --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  From: Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:40 AM
  Here are a couple of additional
  factors to consider.
 
  1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would
 have
  an impact on
  either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to
  maintain a
  desired battery life) or the battery life (the
 existing
  batteries would
  not last as long at the higher power level).
 
  2. It is much easier to add an external power
 amplifier, if
  desired,
  than to significantly improve receiver performance at
 a
  later date.
 
  73,
  Dave, KQ3T
 
  On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
  Hi Kristinn
 
  What i dont get is  why people expect so much
  performance from a
  so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable
  operation generally uses poor antennas and is
 optimized for
  weight, size and battery life.
 
  While its nice having great receiver specifications,
  you do have to be realistic about the real world
  requirements that is placed on the receiver when
 operating
  portable.
 
  For me battery life, convenience and power output are
  very important requirements rather than world beating
  receiver specifications.
  I would gladly have  30 watts output over
  ultimate receiver performance. Most military manpacks
 run 20
  to 30 watts for good reasons.
 
  10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation
 does
  not  demand a receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic
  range.
 
  If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver
  performance for a bargain price I wont say NO, however
 I can
  live with lesser receiver performance when operating
 with
  marginal antennas.
 
  What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that
  will tune a 9 to 13 ft whip on all bands, or
 alternatively a
  end fed wire on all bands. A low noise figure receiver
  is important when using short portable antennas.
 
  We all waiting for the KX3  tech specs with
  baited breath. Time will tell whether we will get a
 

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 86, Issue 14

2011-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
 Practical tests communicating between bush camp and home consistently
 proved that 10W CW was clear copy every night, but SSB was hit and  
 miss.
 25 watts would have made all the difference. I would have been totally
 happy with cw, except the other hams in my family are morse- 
 challenged.

My QTH has many disadvantages (noise, low antenna, wrong part of the  
country, etc.). But I still make lots of contacts at 10 W.

I think we have to draw a distinction between guaranteed  
communications and adequate, sometimes edgy communications. The KX3  
represents a compromise between portability and output power, putting  
it into the latter category.

Yes, you may have to move to slightly higher ground or call three  
times rather than once, but IMHO this is part of the fun.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Wayne Burdick
Effective speech processing will be a given. A 30-W PA is purely  
hypothetical at this point.

Just to save a lot more postings on this subject: The KX3 will be  
limited to 10 watts PEP in its basic form.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Eugene Balinski wrote:

 All,

   The improvement in communications effectiveness of 20
 watts verses 10 watts is valid - much more than the 3 dB
 increase in power would seem to suggest.  I have seen the
 same results as with my SG-2020 as was mentioned below.
 Part of the effectiveness of that particular radio is the
 VOGAD speech processor as well.  A similar algorithm for
 the KX3 speech process might be something to consider
 later.

   A small 30W PA with antenna tuner that would mount to
 the back of the KX3 would be simply amazing. Include a
 larger rechargeable battery pack and it probably couldn't
 get much better - IMHO

 73

 Gene K1NR

 K2 6Kxx

 On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:26:14 -0700
 Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
 We could offer a KXPA30 amplifier to deal with the need
 for more power
 in a much smaller size. But not anytime soon

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR


 On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, juergen wrote:


 Hi Dave

 The point you make about the added complexity is valid.

 However from a communications effectiveness point of
 20 watts is a
 much more realistic power level, especially for SSB
 QSO's.  Most of
 the Mil Manpacks  use this output power level.

 I operate portable using mil HF manpacks with the power
 varying
 between 20 and 30 watts. I also have a SGC2020. 95% of
 the time on
 the first call I can get through  and have the standard
 cookie
 cutter qso's and move on. If you try and do the same
 with 10 watts
 its very frustrating and much more of a struggle. These
 are NA Q's
 not local stuff. 5 to 10 watts is good power level for
 CW. For SSB
 20 watts is far more effective, even with simple whips.
 Everyone
 will say its only 3db, however that 3db makes a huge
 difference when
 using  simple antennas especially on SSB.

 While the AMP might be the answer,  looking at the
 projected images
 and size, it will be a huge hassle carrying another box
 around. If
 you consider the size of Yaesu FT857, which runs a full
 100 watts of
 output and its design  is very neatly integrated into a
 tiny
 package, the KX3 with an external  amplifier will be
 awkward by
 comparison.

 A FT857 with some AA batteries was carried to the top
 of Mount
 Kilimanjaro by HB9BXE. The operator successfully had
 many qso at 20
 watts of output. He probably would not have  packed a
 KX3 and
 amplifier if it was available then.

 I dont see why  a duplicate of the KX3's PA could mot
 be offered as
 a piggy back box with another set of 8 batteries. I
 would rather
 follow  that option than the 100 watt linear option. It
 certainly
 would be a lot smaller and portable than the 100 watt
 PA. I am sure
 many homebrewers will explore this option.

 Anyway time will tell. There is always the
 hombrew/modification
 option. The KX3 has a lot of potential and the design
 is 98% there.

 73
 John

 --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 6:40 AM
 Here are a couple of additional
 factors to consider.

 1. Increasing the output power to 20 or 30 watts would
 have
 an impact on
 either the weight of the KX3 (more batteries needed to
 maintain a
 desired battery life) or the battery life (the
 existing
 batteries would
 not last as long at the higher power level).

 2. It is much easier to add an external power
 amplifier, if
 desired,
 than to significantly improve receiver performance at
 a
 later date.

 73,
 Dave, KQ3T

 On 6/6/2011 12:25 AM, juergen wrote:
 Hi Kristinn

 What i dont get is  why people expect so much
 performance from a
 so called portable rig. A rig designed for portable
 operation generally uses poor antennas and is
 optimized for
 weight, size and battery life.

 While its nice having great receiver specifications,
 you do have to be realistic about the real world
 requirements that is placed on the receiver when
 operating
 portable.

 For me battery life, convenience and power output are
 very important requirements rather than world beating
 receiver specifications.
 I would gladly have  30 watts output over
 ultimate receiver performance. Most military manpacks
 run 20
 to 30 watts for good reasons.

 10 watts and a wire in the tree type of operation
 does
 not  demand a receiver with 100db of IMD dynamic
 range.

 If the KX3 does deliver incredible receiver
 performance for a bargain price I wont say NO, however
 I can
 live with lesser receiver performance when operating
 with
 marginal antennas.

 What I would prefer to see is an antenna tuner that
 will tune a 9 to 13 ft whip on all bands, or
 alternatively a
 end fed wire on all bands. A low noise figure receiver
 is important when 

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/6/2011 8:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
 I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
 really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing us 
 along.

Elecraft is a small company -- they are my neighbors, including some of 
their employees. They have always had the top priority of doing it 
right. From what I can see by watching this reflector, they're currently 
making sure that the building instructions make sense by having a few 
folks close to them build a kit from the instructions and re-writing as 
needed.  I'm waiting for a kit, and I'm happy to know that it will be 
right when I get it.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K3: defective ant.relay?

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Meilstrup
My K3 (ser.no. 2994) has suddenly started behaving strangely: When CW-keyed
by N1MM (and sometime also by Logger 32's CW-machine, but not as often!) the
TX goes br (TX interrupted 100 times/second). Now lately, the RX
seems to go dead (no signal in) until I activate the key.   Do I have dirty
ant-relay contacts? Must the relay be changed?
Rick OZ5RM
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Keith-K5ENS
I know many a contest station that would and have spent $1000's for an extra
3db.  There must to a reason.

Keith, K5ENS

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Rob May

Jim,
I agree with you, I'd rather have it right than right now.  But it's easy to 
put an update on the shipping status page saying that delivery is delayed.  It 
could be a supplier issue or correcting the manual or just being overwhelmed 
with orders.  No problem at all, like I said, I waited 5 months for the K3.  
It's not the delay, it's not the not knowing that I mind.
Rob
NV5E


 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:41:25 -0700
 From: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits
 
 On 6/6/2011 8:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
  I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
  really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing 
  us along.
 
 Elecraft is a small company -- they are my neighbors, including some of 
 their employees. They have always had the top priority of doing it 
 right. From what I can see by watching this reflector, they're currently 
 making sure that the building instructions make sense by having a few 
 folks close to them build a kit from the instructions and re-writing as 
 needed.  I'm waiting for a kit, and I'm happy to know that it will be 
 right when I get it.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
I was sent an email after my last inquiry that kits would be shipping 
last week.  They didn't say they were just going out to field testers 
though.

I also don't mind waiting for them to make sure everything is right.  A 
bit more communication in the way of shipping updates would be helpful.

On 6/6/2011 12:35 PM, Rob May wrote:
 Jim,
 I agree with you, I'd rather have it right than right now.  But it's easy to 
 put an update on the shipping status page saying that delivery is delayed.  
 It could be a supplier issue or correcting the manual or just being 
 overwhelmed with orders.  No problem at all, like I said, I waited 5 months 
 for the K3.  It's not the delay, it's not the not knowing that I mind.
 Rob
 NV5E


 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:41:25 -0700
 From: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

 On 6/6/2011 8:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
 I don't think anyone has received a kit or even shipping confirmation.  I 
 really wish Elecraft would give a realistic ship date instead of stringing 
 us along.
 Elecraft is a small company -- they are my neighbors, including some of
 their employees. They have always had the top priority of doing it
 right. From what I can see by watching this reflector, they're currently
 making sure that the building instructions make sense by having a few
 folks close to them build a kit from the instructions and re-writing as
 needed.  I'm waiting for a kit, and I'm happy to know that it will be
 right when I get it.

 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K2/GATO

2011-06-06 Thread John Cooper
To anyone interested plug my call WT5Y into QRZ.COM scroll to the bottom and 
check out the Elecraft K2/GATO aboard the Cavalla.   
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 LO injection

2011-06-06 Thread Terry Conboy
On 2011-06-02 1:25 AM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:
 Dave KK7SS wrote:
 Just thought I'd ask, as there are two common ways to do it:
 One is to shift the filter passband and the other is to adjust the LO
 injection frequency.

 My IC7200 had the 'hiss' problem. Using IF shift would reduce it but would
 also tend to muffle the audio. Didn't like that. :(
 But shifting the LO injection frequency would worsen the carrier
 suppression. I used to spend a lot of time fiddling with analog rigs trying
 to do the same thing. Got it sounding nice, then noticed that when I keyed
 the mic the output meter was showing a reading even though there was no
 modulation. :( I run my K3 in SSB with the filter centered on 1.4kHz and it
 sounds great to me.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
I suspect the KX3 will use the equivalent of the so-called phasing 
method of SSB generation (but digitally, in DSP software).  I don't 
think there will be a xtal filter like in the older analog radios, so 
the carrier suppression shouldn't change.  All of the filtering (except 
perhaps for the baseband roofing filter) will probably be via DSP.

Eventually, the Elecraft guys will give us more details of the radio 
design so we can eliminate the guesswork.

Keep clam,
Terry N6RY

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread n5ge

All,

I would rather not hear anything than have them telling me once a week it will
be next week and repeating that each week.  It's better to be silent than give
out bad information.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE


On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:35:28 -0500, Rob May roblitesp...@hotmail.com wrote:


Jim,
I agree with you, I'd rather have it right than right now.  But it's easy to 
put an update on the shipping status page saying that delivery is delayed.  It 
could be a supplier issue or correcting the manual or just being overwhelmed 
with orders.  No problem at all, like I said, I waited 5 months for the K3.  
It's not the delay, it's not the not knowing that I mind.
Rob
NV5E
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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread Igor Sokolov
I second that. I wish KX3 has both 2m and ATU. I would rather use external 
batteries then give up ATU. Choosing between ATU and 2m option is going to 
be pretty difficult.

73, Igor UA9CDC
- Original Message - 
From: David Yarnes w7...@cox.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options


 Wayne,

 If a VHF option is possible, but would require some substitution, is it
 possible to have it be an alternative to the internal battery option 
 instead
 of the ATU?  Maybe I'm in the minority, but to me, the internal ATU is 
 much
 more valuable than the battery option.  External power is much less
 problematic than a good ATU.  I'm pretty sure that, if I had to pick 
 between
 the ATU and a VHF option, I'd drop the VHF idea.  I suppose, though, the 
 ATU
 wouldn't be operational on VHF anyway, so perhaps that is why you suggest 
 it
 as the alternative option?

 Dave W7AQK






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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Alan Bloom
World-class contest stations are a different animal.  If the extra 3 dB
adds an extra 0.1% to the contact total, that could easily be the
difference between winning and coming in number 2.

But for the average ham a 0.1% increase in your total contacts is such a
small difference that you would never even notice it.

Alan N1AL


On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 11:14 -0700, Keith-K5ENS wrote:
 I know many a contest station that would and have spent $1000's for an extra
 3db.  There must to a reason.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Bruce Beford
Agreed. And at that level of competition, operator skill makes a much bigger
difference in score than 3 dB of power. Sadly, many who try to compete at
that level just don't seem to understand this.
 
Bruce, N1RX
 
 World-class contest stations are a different animal.  If the extra 3 dB
 adds an extra 0.1% to the contact total, that could easily be the
 difference between winning and coming in number 2.
 
 But for the average ham a 0.1% increase in your total contacts is such a
 small difference that you would never even notice it.
 
 Alan N1AL
 
 
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 11:14 -0700, Keith-K5ENS wrote:
 I know many a contest station that would and have spent $1000's for an
extra
 3db.  There must to a reason.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs. K3 and other rigs?

2011-06-06 Thread Byron Servies
The KX3 (K3 Extremely Portable is how I think of it) does have 3db of
additional power compared to the intended market: 5w QRP portable.

The portable QRP market is where Elecrafts' roots lie, after all, so
it should be no surprise that the KX3 is aimed at that target. Having
an optional external 100w amplifier makes it practical for field day
and other mobile operations, too, and perhaps some really constrained
home stations where even a small K3 will not fit.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Keith-K5ENS ke...@nelasat.com wrote:
 I know many a contest station that would and have spent $1000's for an extra
 3db.  There must to a reason.

73, Byron N6NUL

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Squire - HB9ANM
Yes, great idea, indeed!

Eric, see you at Friedrichshafen! :)


Robert Redmon wrote:
 
 Great idea, Rob!  (Hamcom delivery) If this is possible, count me in, 
 too. (order confirmed 4-8)
 
 73, Bob K5SM
 
 On 6/6/2011 10:27 AM, Rob May wrote:
   Eric, just throw mine in your bag and bring it to Hamcom, I'll meet you
 at the Elecraft booth on Friday.  :)
 
 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Bruce Beford
Ok, While we're tossing out inducements... Eric or Wayne,

 

Bring my KPA-500 kit to Lobstercon in Brunswick, ME next month. I'll throw
in two Maine lobsters and plenty of whatever favorite beverages you
prefer...

 

Bruce, N1RX

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread VE3NFK

Me too  - same time, same place, more lobster, more beverage - saves travel!

Ok, While we're tossing out inducements... Eric or Wayne,

Bring my KPA-500 kit to Lobstercon in Brunswick, ME next month. I'll throw
in two Maine lobsters and plenty of whatever favorite beverages you
prefer... 

John VE3NFK (going down to Maine)

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Kits

2011-06-06 Thread Ralph Parker
... I'd rather have it right than right now...

Absolutely!!!
But you 6m types will have to put up with my 100w from 3500' in the ARRL
VHF instead of 500+ watts, so listen a little harder.
Next year, eh?

Ralph, VE7XF


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[Elecraft] (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread John Ragle
For a while, I have been trying to add to my library a book on DSP that 
was mid-way between cookbook and pure theory. Thinking someone else 
might like to have the reference to a book that I recently found, I am 
using Elecraft bandwidth to send it:

The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to Digital Signal Processing -- ISBN 
0-9660176-3-3 -- By Steven W. Smith, Ph.D.

The book is available free on the following web site:   
http://www.dspguide.com/If it interests you, you might want to look 
at the Chapter headings contained there.

Many of the routines (e.g. convolution, sinc, windowed-sinc, 
deconvolution, etc.) are described in a /pseudo/-BASIC language form, 
but I have found that they can more easily be worked out in a language 
like Mathcad, etc. (This observation is probably not worth much for 
those who have spent big bucks for the signal processing add-ins for the 
latter.)

John Ragle -- W1ZI



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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread Tony Estep
Very cool, John, thanks!

Tony KT0NY

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:36 PM, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com wrote:

 For a while, I have been trying to add to my library a book on DSP that
 was mid-way between cookbook and pure theory. Thinking someone else
 might like to have the reference to a book that I recently found, I am
 using Elecraft bandwidth to send it:

 The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to Digital Signal Processing -- ISBN
 0-9660176-3-3 -- By Steven W. Smith, Ph.D.

 The book is available free on the following web site:
 http://www.dspguide.com/If it interests you, you might want to look
 at the Chapter headings contained there.

 Many of the routines (e.g. convolution, sinc, windowed-sinc,
 deconvolution, etc.) are described in a /pseudo/-BASIC language form,
 but I have found that they can more easily be worked out in a language
 like Mathcad, etc. (This observation is probably not worth much for
 those who have spent big bucks for the signal processing add-ins for the
 latter.)

 John Ragle -- W1ZI



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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread ~BG~
Toting around a T1 not sufficient?


./Ben


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Igor Sokolov ua9...@gmail.com wrote:

 I second that. I wish KX3 has both 2m and ATU. I would rather use external
 batteries then give up ATU. Choosing between ATU and 2m option is going to
 be pretty difficult.

 73, Igor UA9CDC
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 From: David Yarnes w7...@cox.net
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 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options


  Wayne,
 
  If a VHF option is possible, but would require some substitution, is it
  possible to have it be an alternative to the internal battery option
  instead
  of the ATU?  Maybe I'm in the minority, but to me, the internal ATU is
  much
  more valuable than the battery option.  External power is much less
  problematic than a good ATU.  I'm pretty sure that, if I had to pick
  between
  the ATU and a VHF option, I'd drop the VHF idea.  I suppose, though, the
  ATU
  wouldn't be operational on VHF anyway, so perhaps that is why you suggest
  it
  as the alternative option?
 
  Dave W7AQK
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread Phil Hystad
Another (possibly cheaper) mathematical computation system for doing signal 
processing is Mathematica by Wolfram.  Mathematica is used quite a bit in the 
academic world for a very wide variety of computational problems.  With 
regarding to signal processing there is support for various types of DSP 
implementations supporting image processing, sound processing, and RF signal 
processing.

But, a professional version of Mathematica is about $2500 these days.  At 
least, that is what we pay for it at work.  I do have my own copy at home, 
actually two copies, for the At Home edition which costs only $295.  Everything 
I can do on the professional version at work I can do with the At Home edition. 
 There are only a few limitations of the Home Edition of Mathematica and so far 
I have not run into any of them.

The license limits you to one Home edition per computer so I have purchased one 
copy for my Apple Mac laptop and one copy for my desktop iMac-24.  Yes, I use 
both systems even to do Mathematica stuff.

By the way, I also have the professional (or, commercial) license to Matlab 
which I have used for some contract work a few years ago.  I still play around 
with it from time to time but my first love is Mathematica.  I have also played 
around with Mathcad which although is nice and has some cute features for 
documentation, it is not anywhere close to the capability of Mathematica. So, 
at $295, the Mathematica Home Edition is quite a good buy.

So, if you want to experiment with Mathematica you might consider the Wolfram 
Alpha web site at http://www.wolframalpha.com.  The command entry window on 
Alpha will accept most (if not all) Mathematica commands that you can type in.  
For example, to integrate the six(x) function, just go to Wolfram Alpha and 
type in:  Integrate[Sin[x],x]

In the command above, capital letters are important and the use of square 
brackets [] is important.  If you want to play around with some of Wolfram 
Alpha features, start by typing in your name, just your first name like Phil, 
Roger, Dick or whatever.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Jun 6, 2011, at 3:36 PM, John Ragle wrote:

 For a while, I have been trying to add to my library a book on DSP that 
 was mid-way between cookbook and pure theory. Thinking someone else 
 might like to have the reference to a book that I recently found, I am 
 using Elecraft bandwidth to send it:
 
 The Scientist and Engineer's Guide to Digital Signal Processing -- ISBN 
 0-9660176-3-3 -- By Steven W. Smith, Ph.D.
 
 The book is available free on the following web site:   
 http://www.dspguide.com/If it interests you, you might want to look 
 at the Chapter headings contained there.
 
 Many of the routines (e.g. convolution, sinc, windowed-sinc, 
 deconvolution, etc.) are described in a /pseudo/-BASIC language form, 
 but I have found that they can more easily be worked out in a language 
 like Mathcad, etc. (This observation is probably not worth much for 
 those who have spent big bucks for the signal processing add-ins for the 
 latter.)
 
 John Ragle -- W1ZI
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Private sales of used Elecraft Rigs

2011-06-06 Thread Phil Kane
On 6/3/2011 3:06 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

 Recently I ordered a Tablet PC from Amazon, and was surprised
 that they shipped it via USPS.  What I can't figure out is the
 reason that it's scheduled to take until next Wednesday to get
 here from the Seattle area.  When Amazon has shipped books from
 Seattle previously, they took two business days to arrive,
 whether via USPS or UPS.

  Some shippers are now using a hybrid method where UPS sends the
  shipment to a regional USPS distribution center and you then
  get it via USPS. (Forgot the nickname of the service.)

  The absurd situation that I experienced was that using the UPS
  Tracking site I tracked a shipment sent on a Union Pacific RR
  Z-train (hotshot UPS container train) from Los Angeles right
  through Portland (OR) on the way to the Regional Center in
  Kent, WA - across the state near Seattle - and then the USPS
  brought it back to Portland for delivery.  Added three days to
  the shipment versus off-loading the container at UPS Portland
  and out for delivery the next morning along with all the other
  UPS stuff destined for Portland on that train.

  --- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
  Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

  From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
  Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] K3: Kit Resistance Value Question

2011-06-06 Thread Joe Word
I am building a new K3 kit and doing resistance checks, the book
states the resistance value on U12 to ground should be more than 500
ohms, mine checks 349 ohms, is this a problem? U13 to ground is 378
ohms, books states should be greater than 125 ohms, so OK.


Joe  N9VX
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Kit Resistance Value Question

2011-06-06 Thread Joe Word
Just heard back from tech support (thought they were closed for the
day), the value is OK.

Joe  N9VX



On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Joe Word joe.n...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am building a new K3 kit and doing resistance checks, the book
 states the resistance value on U12 to ground should be more than 500
 ohms, mine checks 349 ohms, is this a problem? U13 to ground is 378
 ohms, books states should be greater than 125 ohms, so OK.


 Joe  N9VX

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[Elecraft] Digital Signal Processing, was (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread John Ragle
I hearily endorse Phil's recommendation of Mathematica and MatLab. Both 
are excellent. Yet another is Maple, but all these are somewhat 
expensive to purchase, even for home use. If cost is a real 
consideration (and when is it not?), one can always go with Liberty 
BASIC or its free version, or PowerBasic, or even Microsoft Visual C++. 
I have used all of these, but my purpose was not to tout a programming 
environment, but to recommend the book I mentioned in my first post:

http://www.dspguide.com/

You can't beat free...I wish I had had this book in the 70's when I was active 
in the lab...Oh, for a time machine!

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 6/6/2011 8:45 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 Another (possibly cheaper) mathematical computation system for doing signal 
 processing is Mathematica...I also have the professional (or, commercial) 
 license to Matlab

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Re: [Elecraft] (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Rock
Octave is an open source alternative to Mathematica.  I have found DSP  
packages for it.  The command structure is much like MatLab so those of  
you fresh from academe will find it familiar.
73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:45:50 -0700, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:

 Another (possibly cheaper) mathematical computation system for doing  
 signal processing is Mathematica by Wolfram.  Mathematica is used quite  
 a bit in the academic world for a very wide variety of computational  
 problems.  With regarding to signal processing there is support for  
 various types of DSP implementations supporting image processing, sound  
 processing, and RF signal processing.
...
 73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] Digital Signal Processing, was (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Rock
Wayne has firmly denied any desire to build a TARDIS into any future  
Elecraft product.  I am unsure why.
Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:52:13 -0700, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com  
wrote:

...

 http://www.dspguide.com/

 You can't beat free...I wish I had had this book in the 70's when I was  
 active in the lab...Oh, for a time machine!

 John Ragle -- W1ZI
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Re: [Elecraft] Digital Signal Processing, was (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread Mike WA8BXN

 
Octave is a free nearly equivalent of matlib in terms of programming syntax.

 
73 - Mike WA8BXN 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Digital Signal Processing, was (no subject)

2011-06-06 Thread John Ragle
Octave:  http://octave.sourceforge.net/

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 6/6/2011 10:10 PM, Mike WA8BXN wrote:
 Octave is a free nearly equivalent of matlib in terms of programming syntax.

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Re: [Elecraft] And/Or Options

2011-06-06 Thread Igor Sokolov
Not quite... I see myself taking KX3 with me everywhere (business trips, 
vacations etc). Carring second box (even that small) is not appealing to me. 
Level of integration is not the same as with the internal ATU. Besides KX3 
will easily pass for general coverage RX at the customs while T1 will 
require a lot of explanations.

73, Igor UA9CDC
 Toting around a T1 not sufficient?


 ./Ben


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 I second that. I wish KX3 has both 2m and ATU. I would rather use 
 external
 batteries then give up ATU. Choosing between ATU and 2m option is going 
 to
 be pretty difficult.

 73, Igor UA9CDC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: defective ant.relay?

2011-06-06 Thread Val
Rick,

This usually happens when the cable between the computer and K3 gets some 
HF. Have you tried some turns on a ferrite ring or a clamp?

73 Val LZ1VB


 My K3 (ser.no. 2994) has suddenly started behaving strangely: When 
 CW-keyed
 by N1MM (and sometime also by Logger 32's CW-machine, but not as often!) 
 the
 TX goes br (TX interrupted 100 times/second). Now lately, the RX
 seems to go dead (no signal in) until I activate the key.   Do I have 
 dirty
 ant-relay contacts? Must the relay be changed?
 Rick OZ5RM

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[Elecraft] Elecraft [K3] Macro Mess

2011-06-06 Thread Dave Zeph
I've read the K3 Programmer's Reference and the K3 Utility (V1.4.4.25)
Help.  Perhaps a programmer can understand it, but it offers me no
step-by-step guide as to how to construct a Macro.  So I suppose I'll limit
myself to Macros others have written - but I based on the following
experience, I have no confidence that I can assign them to a M-Key.

 

I tried to implement a simple Audio Mixer Command, !bed3, that was listed in
an October 2009 posting.  I edited Macro 1, gave it a name, and wrote it to
the K3.  I entered the CONFIG Menu and selected Macro.  I pressed 1, and
the then the M3 key to assign it to the M3 Key.  When I pressed the M3 Key,
the name I'd assigned to the Macro was displayed, but the Macro did not
execute.  I could execute it from the K3 Utility, but not from the M3 Key.
A subsequent READ MACROS FROM K3 showed that  !bed3  was assigned to the
Name I'd used for MACRO 1

 

I know the Audio Mixer functionality is now on the CONFIG Menu and this
exercise was unnecessary, but I wanted to try something that was simple.
I'd sure like to know what I did wrong?  I doubt my ability to assign ANY
Macro to an M-Key.

 

Further, I have no DVR and tapping any of the M1-4 buttons returns NO DVR.
The K3 Utility Help says to restore standard memory recording functions to
tap the REC Key followed by the M-Key to be restored.  The only way I could
restore my M3 Key to returning a NO DVR Message was to send Blank Macro
named NO DVR and then assigning that to the M3 Key.  I would expect the
restoration procedure to have done this.  I have little confidence that
getting the message to coincide with the other M-Keys makes that Key behave
as the others.

 

Also, several times after I'd written the Macro to the K3, the K3 MAIN Audio
was muted.  The S-Meter read full scale, and there was no audio.  Cycling
power restored operation but it was an unpleasant occurrence.

 

 

 

73 * Dave, W9ZRX

 

 

 

 

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