[Elecraft] For sale LP-Pan and Emu 0202

2011-12-01 Thread Mike Weir









For sale LP-Pan panadapter with
preamp excellant condition. Creative labs E-MU 0202 24-bit
192KHz USB 2.0 Audio Interface also in excellent condition.  Price for both 
200.00 plus shipping

If interested please contact off list
at ve3...@hotmail.com
Mike
VE3WDM



  
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[Elecraft] Sale fell through, K2-100 (again) For Sale

2011-12-01 Thread Hunsdon Cary III
 Subject: K2-100 For Sale
 
 K2-100 #4991 for sale; well equipped with KAT2 (internal tuner), KSB2, KDSP2, 
 KIO2, KNB2, FDIMP, and MH-2 hand microphone and Anderson PowerPole cable.  It 
 has Don's (W3FPR) constant-level audio output module installed, as well as 
 the K6XX CW tuning indicator (blinks the far right LED on S-meter when within 
 20 hertz of a CW signal). Assembled by a very experienced kit builder (NJ3V) 
 who's a Naval Academy graduate (engineer) and high school physics teacher; 
 rig has less than two hours on the finals; non-smoking environment and never 
 outside.  It performs beautifully and was just aligned by Don Wilhelm, W3FPR, 
 and is in peak condition, power output is better than specifications.; all 
 documentation (and it's extensive!).  Reason for selling?  I use it very 
 little since acquiring a K3-100 (#3448) about two years ago.  Kit price today 
 for a K2-100 with these options is about $1900+.

 Asking $950 and I will ship CONUS only.  Please reply off reflector to 
 h3c...@gmail.com
 73,
 Cary, K4TM
 Lynchburg, VA

 H. Cary III
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[Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread Steve KC8QVO
This may be a stupid question, but does the KX3 click at all transmitting CW?
For example - when I stick my headphones on with my FT-857D it still clicks
between RX and TX. It makes it impossible to have quiet, non-bothersome
QSO's in camp when everyone else is trying to bed down for the night. I can
throw some clothes around the rig but that doesn't solve the problem, just
dampens it. 

Steve, KC8QVO

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Re: [Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski
Steve,

 Except for the noise my straight key makes, I've never noticed any 
noise from the KX3...

 Regards,

 kurtt

 Kurt Pawlikowski, AKA WB9FMC
 The Pinrod Corporation
 ku...@pinrod.com
 (773) 284-9500
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On 12/1/2011 06:06, Steve KC8QVO wrote:
 This may be a stupid question, but does the KX3 click at all transmitting CW?
 For example - when I stick my headphones on with my FT-857D it still clicks
 between RX and TX. It makes it impossible to have quiet, non-bothersome
 QSO's in camp when everyone else is trying to bed down for the night. I can
 throw some clothes around the rig but that doesn't solve the problem, just
 dampens it.

 Steve, KC8QVO

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Re: [Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve,

The K2, K1, KX1 and K3 all have electronic Transmit/Receive switching, 
and I would expect the KX3 will as well, so there will be no relay 
clicking noise.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/1/2011 7:06 AM, Steve KC8QVO wrote:
 This may be a stupid question, but does the KX3 click at all transmitting CW?
 For example - when I stick my headphones on with my FT-857D it still clicks
 between RX and TX. It makes it impossible to have quiet, non-bothersome
 QSO's in camp when everyone else is trying to bed down for the night. I can
 throw some clothes around the rig but that doesn't solve the problem, just
 dampens it.

 Steve, KC8QVO

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[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 - WTB KBPF3

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Lankshear
I would like to purchase a KBPF3 General Coverage RX Bandpass Module for the
K3.   (If seller is in the USA, we can easily sort out payment.)

 

Kindly contact me off list if you have one for sale.

 

 Thanks and 73,  Dave Lankshear G3TJP

 

 g3tjp (at) ARRL (dot) net

 

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[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Closing

2011-12-01 Thread Ken Newman
QRP Contesters,

The N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar is closing down on December 31.
To replace it, I recommend the WA7BNM Contest Calendar (QRP Page)
for your website or desktop with this link:

http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/contestcal_qrp.html

Thanks for your interest in the Calendar 
I have the above link on my desktop for all contest activity.

73,
Ken N2CQ

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Re: [Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread drewko
It is only the very faint quantum clicking of PIN diodes... but you
need really good ears to hear it :)

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 04:06:49 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

This may be a stupid question, but does the KX3 click at all transmitting CW?
For example - when I stick my headphones on with my FT-857D it still clicks
between RX and TX. It makes it impossible to have quiet, non-bothersome
QSO's in camp when everyone else is trying to bed down for the night. I can
throw some clothes around the rig but that doesn't solve the problem, just
dampens it. 

Steve, KC8QVO

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[Elecraft] Ferrite freq response

2011-12-01 Thread Mike Markowski
A few weeks back there was a thread about ferrite cores.  While catching up on
(paper) mail at work this morning, I was flipping through a magazine and came
across an article, The Small-Signal Frequency Response of Ferrites, that might
be of interest to those who took part in the ferrite thread.  It can be found
online at

   http://highfrequencyelectronics.com/

and go to Article Archives and then to June 2011.

73,
Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Firmware Releases

2011-12-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Today - as soon as I get a moment to upload it :-)

73, Eric

www.elecraft.com


On 11/30/2011 7:26 PM, n2...@aol.com wrote:
 I had a question about the old firmware and when a newer one would be
 available and this is the response I received:

 We  plan to release another K3 f/w version anytime now, with support for
 Remote Rig  and some other changes.

 Hope  this is true!

 73's  Michael
 n2zdb


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Re: [Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread Tony Estep
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 It is only the very faint quantum clicking of PIN diodes... but you
 need really good ears to hear it :)

 =
It would probably only be audible to the guy who could read Heisenberg
uncertainty on his voltmeter.

Tony KT0NY



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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
To be clear, I kill mains power to the station *after* powering down the
gear with their individual front panel switches.

Dick, you and I have had similar experiences going way back to vacuum tube
days.

73,  

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
The statement below caught my eye, and I thought I would comment FWIW.  A
few decades ago, the part of the city I lived in had a momentary open on the
power line. When power came back on a moment later, it had a high voltage
spike that took out many, many, colored TV sets (and other things) back when
color TV sets were relatively new and expensive.

I thought of my ham equipment, so I got a metal box and mounted a 110 Volt
relay on it that  fed some outlets attached to boxes on both sides. I bring
up the relay with a momentary push switch. The relay then locks up to it's
own contacts. To release the relay, I press another momentary switch to open
the path to the coil. 

This way, I plug in all equipment I want to protect to the box. If a
momentary open hit occurs, the relay drops and powers off all my equipment
(which has happened).  It is my master power switch as well.
I power off all my equipment before I release the relay to reduce contact
arcing when I re-operate it. The original relay is still in use.

Dick, n0ce

_
 Personally, I simply kill the main supply power line to the station. That
 does the same thing with one switch.

 73,

 Ron AC7AC


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E=IR, it's the law.

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Re: [Elecraft] Itching for a new rig

2011-12-01 Thread Gary D Krause
Sales commission?  You get a sales commission? ;-)  Ed, I only had a new rig 
the first few years.  That was the first three years.  What can I say, I was 
excited about the hobby (I still am) and I was single.  My first was a Kenwood 
TS-530SP which I still have and use.  My second rig was a Ten Tec Century 22 a 
CW rig which I still have and use.  My third rig was a Kenwood TS-440s which I 
no longer have.  In 2007 I bought a Ten Tec Argonaut V.  I didn't like the DSP 
so I sold it after eight months and bought the K2 and put it together.  It 
ended up being a K2/100 but, I switch the tops back and forth depending on how 
I feel and what I want to work.  I really like it and as well as my other rigs 
but, darn it, I have this itch and it won't go away this time!  I may have to 
just buy a K3 and I'll blame you it it doesn't work out.  Okay? ;-)




On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:26:57 -0900
  Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote:
 Gary,
 
 Wow a new rig every year!
 
 Lets see:
 1957 - new Knight Ocean Hopper $19.95, used Heath DX-35 $35
 1966 - used Clegg Interceptor-B, used Johnson Ranger
 1967- new Heath SB-110
 1976 - new IC-211
 1982 - new TS-180S
 1996 - new Tentec Scout
 1997 - used FT-840
 1998 - new FT-847
 1999 - new FT-817
 2009 - new K3
 2012?  new KX3
 
 54-years = 8 new radios - one every seven years.
 
 Gary,  Simply love the K3.  You done your research - now just buy the K3.
 (Wayne - just mail me my sales commission ;-))
 
 
 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Re: [Elecraft] CW transmitting - any clicks?

2011-12-01 Thread riese-k3djc

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:39:29 -0600 Tony Estep estept...@gmail.com
writes:
 On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:
 
  It is only the very faint quantum clicking of PIN diodes... but 
 you
  need really good ears to hear it :)
 
  =
 It would probably only be audible to the guy who could read 
 Heisenberg
 uncertainty on his voltmeter.
 
 Tony KT0NY

H is it or isnt it
oops there it was

Bob K3DJC

53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net

2011-12-01 Thread Phillip Shepard
Hi Gang,

It looks like I will not be able to be NCS for the Sunday Elecraft SSB Net
this week (12/4/11).  I don't have any available back-ups at this point, so
we need someone to step forward and take the net this Sunday.  It is an easy
going group of guys and an informal net.  It isn't too hard.  It would help
if you can put a good signal out on 20m - perhaps with an amplifier and beam
antenna.  If you are interested, drop me a message and I can fill you in.

The net is at 1800z on or about 14.3035 MHz.  Thank you.

73,
Phil
NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Oliver Dröse
Dave,

thanks for taking the time trying to explain it. I know what actually 
happens and why one should first power of the radio before cutting the 
lines. Nevertheless Elecraft is not the only one using encoders but still 
they are the only ones with a requirement for that procedure. This has 
nothing to do with being an SDR.

Lets stay at one defined example, the VFO. Everybody is using an encoder 
here, whatever brand it is. Still when I cut power off my Icom (and all 
other rigs I know of) it always comes back to the last used frequency  
mode. If I just cut power from my K3 it never comes back to the same 
frequency! It usually is one in the same band but not the last used one.

So how do others do it? I imagine they simply write the current frequency 
into memory after probably a few milliseconds of no VFO move. Elecraft could 
do the same (actually they are doing it when powering down the rig).

So my question is simple: Why don't they do it? What are the reasons behind? 
Not enough time while working down the operations code? A limitation of the 
PICs used as the central brain (the other brands use bigger/faster 
processors)?

Don't get me wrong, I really like my K3  KPA500 and have no problems at all 
with how they work. Nevertheless I am curios to know the reasons. Might be 
'cause I'm into (only a little) programming myself and want to understand 
other guys logics and learn something, too. ;-))

73, Olli - DH8BQA
http://www.dh8bqa.de




- Original Message - 
From: David Herring d...@ah6td.com
To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread


Olli,

This is a bit of an oversimplification, but I think it will convey the point 
good enough to address your very valid question without getting into what 
could otherwise be a very long answer.

On most other rigs on the planet, the settings are dictated by the position 
of the knobs and switches.  Pull the plug on them and whatever computing 
faculties are present in the rig will simply reboot their software and 
continue on as normal the next time power is applied.

The K3 is more software defined than that.  The settings are NOT necessarily 
dictated by the position of the knobs and switches.  The settings are 
defined by what's been stored in memory, which is a result of the last 
change in knob and switch position, not necessarily where the knob or switch 
is now.

When you power down the K3 using the front panel power button, this sends an 
instruction to the computer to save all this information in an orderly and 
proper manner for next time, and then power off.

When you pull the plug, the computer in the K3 doesn't get the opportunity 
to save this stuff out in an orderly fashion.  99% of the time it's no 
problem.  But pull the plug while the computer happens to be doing a routine 
save of this information, so that not all gets saved or saved properly (as 
an example), and you could wind up with a collection of settings that are 
inconsistent or self-contradicting.  At that point, when you power on next 
time the computer hasn't got a hope of figuring out what to do.  Your rig 
has just become hosed.  You'll need to reset everything back to a generic 
state and start over.

I don't have first hand knowledge of other SDR rigs, but I imagine Elecraft 
is not the only one with this feature.  (I don't call it a problem because 
it isn't...it's exactly how the architecture is designed to work)

I hope that helps.

Dave
AH6TD



On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

 Hi Ron,

 the arguments are told over and over again (it is like a computer, etc.)
 for the K3 and KPA500. Still I do not see WHY it is possible with every
 other transceiver and PA on earth to simply shut down power (disconnecting
 from mains) without first switching it off and without any possible
 problems? They use the same computer technique inside ...

 Just curious. ;-))

 73, Olli - DH8BQA



 - Original Message - 
 From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread


 Just to be clear - the Elecraft equipment should be turned off using the
 front panel switch *before* it is disconnected from the mains supply so
 the
 logic system can do a proper shut-down. You can get away with pulling 
 the
 plug much of the time, but sooner or later you'll catch the logic in the
 process do doing something critical - writing data to memory, etc. - and
 will end up with scrambled data. That can be corrected by reloading the
 firmware, but it's a hassle easily avoided by powering down with the 
 front
 panel switch first.

 Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net

2011-12-01 Thread Keith Heimbold

Hi Phil,
 
I am a newbie ham (about 1 year) and brand new K3 owner (two days online).  I 
would like to attend the net but am not ready to take on a net faciitiation.  
Plus I don't have my Quadra yet connected to my K3. I will check in on 20m at 
the time to see if the net is taking place.
 
If someone takes on the net facilitation role, please send out a message as 
such.

Thanks  Best Regards,

Keith
AG6AZ
 


 From: ph...@riousa.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:00:29 -0800
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
 
 Hi Gang,
 
 It looks like I will not be able to be NCS for the Sunday Elecraft SSB Net
 this week (12/4/11). I don't have any available back-ups at this point, so
 we need someone to step forward and take the net this Sunday. It is an easy
 going group of guys and an informal net. It isn't too hard. It would help
 if you can put a good signal out on 20m - perhaps with an amplifier and beam
 antenna. If you are interested, drop me a message and I can fill you in.
 
 The net is at 1800z on or about 14.3035 MHz. Thank you.
 
 73,
 Phil
 NS7P
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Itching for a new rig

2011-12-01 Thread Wayne Burdick
Gary D Krause wrote:

 darn it, I have this itch and it won't go away this time!  I may  
 have to
 just buy a K3 and I'll blame [Ed] if it doesn't work out

Gary,

If you buy a K3, you need to blame *me* if it doesn't work out :)

Seriously, let me know if you have any lingering questions.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] How Can Memory access only VFO A?

2011-12-01 Thread Lu Romero
You want to return to the bottom edge of the band, right? 
Just right click on the bandmap in question, no matter how
zoomed in it is and select Go To Bottom of Band and youre
there!

Its smart enough to know if youre in a phone or CW contest
what the bottom of the band actually *IS*, too...

Or, if the frequency is truly left on the sub receiver,
and here I assume its on VFO B, then simply tap (NOT Press
and hold, in that case, you activate B-SET) the a/b key to
swap the frequencies in each VFO.  

That's the way it worked on my old TS850 and works on my
current TS570D, too.

-lu-W4LT-


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 02:37:38 -0500
From: PTA_ABD wb2...@roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How Can Memory access only VFO A?
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: C71B9C39640143A0A99B0AC2A40462FA@dadsdell
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

Since you're using N1MM,  type the desired frequency into
the call entry logging
window and press enter.

Paul WB2ABD

 In CQWW CW it was common to find a pileup that was a big
mess, or the DX 
at the bottom of it was hard to ID for some reason.  Time to
move on and 
return later.  The frequency is left on the SUB receiver
while tuning 
the MAIN.  Eventually I want to return to the bottom edge of
the band 
without spinning the dial, so I need a memory to access only
the MAIN 
VFO so as not to lose that other frequency.  This should be
possible, 
but I can't figure out how to do it.  Can someone explain
how this is 
done like with other radios?

I realize something short can be put into the bandmap for a
later 
return, but if it's in a zoomed in mode the return is too
cumbersome.  
Not a good option.

73, Jim
W6YA 


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[Elecraft] My new KPA500

2011-12-01 Thread Joe K2UF
UPS says my new KPA500 is now in Illinois and due to be delivered on Monday.


There is a CW contest this weekend. 

I am sure we are getting close to a KAT500. 

LOTW is running smthly.  

Life is good!!  ;o}

Joe K2UF   

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Re: [Elecraft] My new KPA500

2011-12-01 Thread Ken Chandler
RTTY  this weekend on 10m, use ARRL  sweepstake template for WinTest users.

Ken..G0ORH

Sent from my iPhone 


 


On 1 Dec 2011, at 20:15, Joe K2UF j...@k2uf.com wrote:

 UPS says my new KPA500 is now in Illinois and due to be delivered on Monday.
 
 
 There is a CW contest this weekend. 
 
 I am sure we are getting close to a KAT500. 
 
 LOTW is running smthly.  
 
 Life is good!!  ;o}
 
 Joe K2UF   
 
 No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons
 were inconvenienced.
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Rick Bates
Responses woven within; trimmed for brevity.

Rick WA6NHC

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Dröse

Nevertheless Elecraft is not the only one using encoders but still 
they are the only ones with a requirement for that procedure. This has 
nothing to do with being an SDR.

* It has to do with Elecraft being more 'up front' and honest about how
* their design is managed.  Other companies simply don't tell you all of
* internal workings (or as much) and shrug their corporate shoulders if
* the memory gets hashed during a power loss.
*
* Try complaining to say, MicroSoft if you pull the plug instead of an
* orderly shutdown.  If they answer at all, they'll say Don't do that.

If I just cut power from my K3 it never comes back to the same 
frequency! It usually is one in the same band but not the last used one.

* Because, as stated, the memory was not written before power removal.  For
* the sake of performance (CPU activity), they chose this way.
*
* The graceful power down writes MANY things into the memory (mode, filters
* bandwidth etc.).  A rude power off doesn't allow this and Elecraft
* warns you of this 'chance occurrence' (it doesn't happen all the time).

So how do others do it? I imagine they simply write the current frequency 
into memory after probably a few milliseconds of no VFO move. Elecraft could

do the same (actually they are doing it when powering down the rig).

* I'll remind you that no other current rig performs as well.  It's the
* small things that add up to make the difference.  Elecraft is not willing
* to give up one small portion that might sacrifice performance.  I simply
* power off, then leave the power supply on, so it isn't an issue.  A power
* failure when I'm not at the shack then leaves no issue other than small
* parasitic drain (and I run other radios 24/7 for IRLP/EchoLink).

So my question is simple: Why don't they do it? What are the reasons behind?

Not enough time while working down the operations code? A limitation of the 
PICs used as the central brain (the other brands use bigger/faster 
processors)?

* You have my opinion as a user.
*
* I happen to also love everything about the radio (except when I get in a
* rush and don't press a button long enough and end up changing bands 
* instead of turning on/off the VOX).  I'm very pleased that the radio does 
* EVERYthing that the manufacturer says it will do (and how!) and that 
* problems or questions are dealt with (answered) within hours, not weeks 
* or months (if ever).
*
* Elecraft has remembered that anyone can make a sale, once.  But it's
* customer service (a faintly remembered commodity) that makes the company.

* As long as they continue to remember that, I'm loyal.  I've dropped other
* companies (not that they'd notice) for just that reason.  If I buy any
* product, I expect it to do what is advertised.  With Elecraft, I win.
* 
* Elecraft, you ROCK!

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Re: [Elecraft] My new KPA500

2011-12-01 Thread Joe K2UF
That means CW all night on 160 and RTTY all day on 10.  No need to sleep at
all. Life gets better and better!!!

Jope K2UF

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-Original Message-
From: Ken Chandler [mailto:g0...@sky.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:42 PM
To: Joe K2UF
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My new KPA500

RTTY  this weekend on 10m, use ARRL  sweepstake template for WinTest users.

Ken..G0ORH

Sent from my iPhone 


 


On 1 Dec 2011, at 20:15, Joe K2UF j...@k2uf.com wrote:

 UPS says my new KPA500 is now in Illinois and due to be delivered on
Monday.
 
 
 There is a CW contest this weekend. 
 
 I am sure we are getting close to a KAT500. 
 
 LOTW is running smthly.  
 
 Life is good!!  ;o}
 
 Joe K2UF   
 
 No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many
electrons
 were inconvenienced.
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Wayne Burdick
The K3 (like the K2 and our other rigs) uses EEPROM for nonvolatile  
parameter storage. This decision was based on several criteria, and we  
believe it was the right choice at the time. It's conceivable that in  
a future product we might go with battery-backed-up RAM.

The MCU does try to write all changed parameters to EEPROM in the  
event of power disappearing suddenly; the electrolytic capacitors do  
hold up the MCU's voltage for some milliseconds. But your humble  
firmware guy is a lot happier when power is turned off at the radio  
first, allowing a clean shut-down sequence.

Thanks for your tolerance of our various idiosyncrasies.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Tony Estep
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de wrote:

 ...when I cut power off my Icom (and all
 other rigs I know of) it always comes back to the last used frequency...

===
Well, it could be worse. There's at least one commercial transceiver that
responds really negatively to a bad power-off sequence; in the worst case,
you might find that your entire configuration could be lost, including CAT
ports, audio interface setup, and saved frequency memories.

Tony KT0NY
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[Elecraft] K3 + Yamaha CM500 and VOX

2011-12-01 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci

Hello,
would someone using the CM500 share his VOX and ANTIVOX settings please?
I can somewhat get vox to work properly when using the phones alone, but
there's no way to get it right if I use spkr+phones (say, if I want
someone to hear what I'm hearing). 

Here're my settings:

MIC SEL = RP.L bias
MIC = 12
CMP = 22
VOX GN = 013
ANTIVOX = 008

With these settings, I get a loud feedback whistle if I have the
speakers turned on. Raising antivox doesn't seem to help, lowering vox
gain much below 10 cuts my first syllables. 



Thanks

Pf





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + Yamaha CM500 and VOX

2011-12-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Pf,

Where do you have the Monitor set?  When using speakers, I believe the 
monitor should be set to zero.  Yes, audio feedback will result if the 
monitor is turned on and coming out of the speakers - that sound will be 
heard y the microphone.

That problem has nothing to do with the VOX or Anti-Vox settings - 
different phenomenon.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/1/2011 4:14 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
 Hello,
 would someone using the CM500 share his VOX and ANTIVOX settings please?
 I can somewhat get vox to work properly when using the phones alone, but
 there's no way to get it right if I use spkr+phones (say, if I want
 someone to hear what I'm hearing).

 Here're my settings:

 MIC SEL = RP.L bias
 MIC = 12
 CMP = 22
 VOX GN = 013
 ANTIVOX = 008

 With these settings, I get a loud feedback whistle if I have the
 speakers turned on. Raising antivox doesn't seem to help, lowering vox
 gain much below 10 cuts my first syllables.



 Thanks

 Pf


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 + Yamaha CM500 and VOX

2011-12-01 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
 Don == Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com writes:


Don Pf,
Don Where do you have the Monitor set?  When using speakers, I believe the
Don monitor should be set to zero.  Yes, audio feedback will result if the
Don monitor is turned on and coming out of the speakers - that sound will
Don be heard y the microphone.

Don That problem has nothing to do with the VOX or Anti-Vox settings - 
Don different phenomenon.

Ah, good point, I keep monitor around 15-17 usually. 
Lowering it below 10 still gives me some useful return of my voice in
the earphones, and I get no whistle unless I put the microphone right in
front of the  external speakers. 

Thanks Don!

Pf


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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread ab2tc
Hi all,

Choosing EEPROM for nonvoatile storage was the right choice then and still
is. Please don't even entertain a single thought about going back to a
battery backed up RAM solution (remember PC BIOS settings in CMOS?). It
has infinitely more problems than an EEPROM based solution. I really have no
idea what people are complaining about. I don't think there are any products
out there anymore relying on battery backed up CMOS RAM, thank God. There
are many ways to improve (if improvements are indeed needed) the power loss
reliability of non-volatile storage, such as fallback on a second copy
should the first one fail (you do use checksums, right?)

AB2TC - Knut


wayne burdick wrote
 
 The K3 (like the K2 and our other rigs) uses EEPROM for nonvolatile  
 parameter storage. This decision was based on several criteria, and we  
 believe it was the right choice at the time. It's conceivable that in  
 a future product we might go with battery-backed-up RAM.
 
 The MCU does try to write all changed parameters to EEPROM in the  
 event of power disappearing suddenly; the electrolytic capacitors do  
 hold up the MCU's voltage for some milliseconds. But your humble  
 firmware guy is a lot happier when power is turned off at the radio  
 first, allowing a clean shut-down sequence.
 
 Thanks for your tolerance of our various idiosyncrasies.
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread David Herring
Olli,

Oh, OK, I see where you are coming from.

The final answer would have to come from Elecraft itself, but I'll hazard a 
guess that it is probably performance and longevity.

Writing to EEPROM is a relatively slow process and may ( ? ) represent a 
performance hit within the K3 architecture, the effects of which can be 
minimized by choosing when to write and when not to write to EEPROM.

EEPROMs have a finite number of writes in their designed lifespan.  You want 
these things to last a very long time.

So I imagine the firmware developer caches settings in volatile memory (for 
performance) and writes to EEPROM in well timed batches (for performance and 
longevity) as a way of addressing these two issues.  

Again, just a guess and it'd sure be nice if Elecraft could weigh in on this 
and stop the guessing (though I get that this is unlikely the most important 
thing they have to do right now). ;-)

73  Aloha,

Dave
AH6TD


On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Oliver Dröse wrote:

 Dave,
 
 thanks for taking the time trying to explain it. I know what actually 
 happens and why one should first power of the radio before cutting the 
 lines. Nevertheless Elecraft is not the only one using encoders but still 
 they are the only ones with a requirement for that procedure. This has 
 nothing to do with being an SDR.
 
 Lets stay at one defined example, the VFO. Everybody is using an encoder 
 here, whatever brand it is. Still when I cut power off my Icom (and all 
 other rigs I know of) it always comes back to the last used frequency  
 mode. If I just cut power from my K3 it never comes back to the same 
 frequency! It usually is one in the same band but not the last used one.
 
 So how do others do it? I imagine they simply write the current frequency 
 into memory after probably a few milliseconds of no VFO move. Elecraft could 
 do the same (actually they are doing it when powering down the rig).
 
 So my question is simple: Why don't they do it? What are the reasons behind? 
 Not enough time while working down the operations code? A limitation of the 
 PICs used as the central brain (the other brands use bigger/faster 
 processors)?
 
 Don't get me wrong, I really like my K3  KPA500 and have no problems at all 
 with how they work. Nevertheless I am curios to know the reasons. Might be 
 'cause I'm into (only a little) programming myself and want to understand 
 other guys logics and learn something, too. ;-))
 
 73, Olli - DH8BQA
 http://www.dh8bqa.de
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Herring d...@ah6td.com
 To: Oliver Dröse dro...@necg.de
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread
 
 
 Olli,
 
 This is a bit of an oversimplification, but I think it will convey the point 
 good enough to address your very valid question without getting into what 
 could otherwise be a very long answer.
 
 On most other rigs on the planet, the settings are dictated by the position 
 of the knobs and switches.  Pull the plug on them and whatever computing 
 faculties are present in the rig will simply reboot their software and 
 continue on as normal the next time power is applied.
 
 The K3 is more software defined than that.  The settings are NOT necessarily 
 dictated by the position of the knobs and switches.  The settings are 
 defined by what's been stored in memory, which is a result of the last 
 change in knob and switch position, not necessarily where the knob or switch 
 is now.
 
 When you power down the K3 using the front panel power button, this sends an 
 instruction to the computer to save all this information in an orderly and 
 proper manner for next time, and then power off.
 
 When you pull the plug, the computer in the K3 doesn't get the opportunity 
 to save this stuff out in an orderly fashion.  99% of the time it's no 
 problem.  But pull the plug while the computer happens to be doing a routine 
 save of this information, so that not all gets saved or saved properly (as 
 an example), and you could wind up with a collection of settings that are 
 inconsistent or self-contradicting.  At that point, when you power on next 
 time the computer hasn't got a hope of figuring out what to do.  Your rig 
 has just become hosed.  You'll need to reset everything back to a generic 
 state and start over.
 
 I don't have first hand knowledge of other SDR rigs, but I imagine Elecraft 
 is not the only one with this feature.  (I don't call it a problem because 
 it isn't...it's exactly how the architecture is designed to work)
 
 I hope that helps.
 
 Dave
 AH6TD
 
 
 
 On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
 
 Hi Ron,
 
 the arguments are told over and over again (it is like a computer, etc.)
 for the K3 and KPA500. Still I do not see WHY it is possible with every
 other transceiver and PA on earth to simply shut down power (disconnecting
 from mains) without first switching it off and without any 

Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Jack Smith
It's also possible to power the micro-controller through a diode 
isolated super capacitor of 1 or 2 farads that will run it for some 
considerable time. The firmware would then detect un-planned power 
removal sequence and perform an appropriate save process before the 
super capacitor voltage drops below the brownout level.

I have a real-time clock in one of my PIC projects powered with a diode 
isolated 0.22 farad super capacitor that will run the RTC clock chip for 
several days if power is removed. That chip consumes much less power 
than a PIC, but it shouldn't take a PIC more than few hundred 
milliseconds to save variables to EEPROM.

Nice thing about the super capacitors is that unlike a battery they have 
essentially unlimited life. However, the discharge voltage follows the 
RC network rule, not like the more or less flat output from a battery.

Jack K8ZOA


On 12/1/2011 6:47 PM, ab2tc wrote:
 Hi all,

 Choosing EEPROM for nonvoatile storage was the right choice then and still
 is. Please don't even entertain a single thought about going back to a
 battery backed up RAM solution (remember PC BIOS settings in CMOS?). It
 has infinitely more problems than an EEPROM based solution. I really have no
 idea what people are complaining about. I don't think there are any products
 out there anymore relying on battery backed up CMOS RAM, thank God. There
 are many ways to improve (if improvements are indeed needed) the power loss
 reliability of non-volatile storage, such as fallback on a second copy
 should the first one fail (you do use checksums, right?)

 AB2TC - Knut


 wayne burdick wrote
 The K3 (like the K2 and our other rigs) uses EEPROM for nonvolatile
 parameter storage. This decision was based on several criteria, and we
 believe it was the right choice at the time. It's conceivable that in
 a future product we might go with battery-backed-up RAM.

 The MCU does try to write all changed parameters to EEPROM in the
 event of power disappearing suddenly; the electrolytic capacitors do
 hold up the MCU's voltage for some milliseconds. But your humble
 firmware guy is a lot happier when power is turned off at the radio
 first, allowing a clean shut-down sequence.

 Thanks for your tolerance of our various idiosyncrasies.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Are we going full circle?  Battery backed RAM was the thing when the 
IBM PC was announced (way back when), and then as technology progressed, 
that changed to EEPROM which did not require voltage to retain the 
settings.  I hope we are not going back to that voltage dependent 
situation for the K3.  As I recall from the IBM computer example, if the 
data was something different than the currently displayed frequency, it 
might be lost with the power outage example.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/1/2011 3:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 The K3 (like the K2 and our other rigs) uses EEPROM for nonvolatile
 parameter storage. This decision was based on several criteria, and we
 believe it was the right choice at the time. It's conceivable that in
 a future product we might go with battery-backed-up RAM.

 The MCU does try to write all changed parameters to EEPROM in the
 event of power disappearing suddenly; the electrolytic capacitors do
 hold up the MCU's voltage for some milliseconds. But your humble
 firmware guy is a lot happier when power is turned off at the radio
 first, allowing a clean shut-down sequence.

 Thanks for your tolerance of our various idiosyncrasies.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread

2011-12-01 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Don,

If we did decide to use battery-backed up RAM in a product, it would  
be shadowed by an EEPROM, and both would be checksummed to ensure fail- 
safe operation. That seemed like overkill in 2007 when we were  
finalizing the parameter storage implementation for the K3.

Wayne
N6KR


On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 Are we going full circle?  Battery backed RAM was the thing when  
 the IBM PC was announced (way back when), and then as technology  
 progressed, that changed to EEPROM which did not require voltage to  
 retain the settings.  I hope we are not going back to that voltage  
 dependent situation for the K3.  As I recall from the IBM computer  
 example, if the data was something different than the currently  
 displayed frequency, it might be lost with the power outage example.

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Rear power switch thread [End of thread]

2011-12-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Folks - We've beaten this to death at this point ;-)  Let's table this 
thread for now.

73, Eric
List Moderator

www.elecraft.com


On 12/1/2011 4:18 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Hi Don,

 If we did decide to use battery-backed up RAM in a product, it would
 be shadowed by an EEPROM, and both would be checksummed to ensure fail-
 safe operation. That seemed like overkill in 2007 when we were
 finalizing the parameter storage implementation for the K3.

 Wayne
 N6KR

 On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Are we going full circle?  Battery backed RAM was the thing when
 the IBM PC was announced (way back when), and then as technology
 progressed, that changed to EEPROM which did not require voltage to
 retain the settings.  I hope we are not going back to that voltage
 dependent situation for the K3.  As I recall from the IBM computer
 example, if the data was something different than the currently
 displayed frequency, it might be lost with the power outage example.
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Re: [Elecraft] How Can Memory access only VFO A?

2011-12-01 Thread Randy Farmer

If I come across a pileup I can't immediately break, and that happens a 
LOT, I just do a quick AB to store the DX frequency in VFO B and 
continue tuning the band. I can periodically check what's happening on 
his frequency with a press of the A/B key and call some more if I wish. 
If I don't get him then another A/B puts me back where I was. Repeat as 
needed.

73...
Randy, W8FN
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[Elecraft] KPQ100 bias adjustment

2011-12-01 Thread Eugene Worth
I'm moving on to the final alignment of my KAT100-2/KPA100 in an EC2 enclosure 
… split from a stock K2 … 

So far, so good. Some of the testing and alignment steps are confusing since 
the construction assumes one wants to build the KPA100 in the K2 body. And, 
since I did not put a speaker into the EC2. 

That said, I'm confused about the best measuring points for the bias current 
adjustment step on page 50 of Appendix G, Rev H KPA100 construction manual 
dated Sept, 2011.

I'm trying to envision exactly where to clip the probes of my DMM. I could clip 
the positive (red) lead to the red lead at the back of the power supply. Then 
the black (negative) lead to the red (+) J3 connector  That seems to be in 
parallel with the positive lead of the power cable … and the instructions 
clearly state in series … so, I am confused as to the best two locations to put 
the test leads. 

After getting to this point, I would hate to goof and let magic smoke out of 
the radio.

Thanks in advance.

gene
WG7GW

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Re: [Elecraft] KPQ100 bias adjustment

2011-12-01 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's right Eugene - just as it says in the manual but you have to
disconnect the red wire of the power cable. The current flowing from the +
side of the power supply goes through your DMM (set for a 10A current range)
and on to the KPA100. 

If you have connectors attaching the wires to your power supply, you can
open the fuse holder in the power cord, remove the fuse, and connect your
DMM between the contacts for the fuse. 

73,

Ron AC7AC

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Subject: [Elecraft] KPQ100 bias adjustment

I'm moving on to the final alignment of my KAT100-2/KPA100 in an EC2
enclosure . split from a stock K2 . 

So far, so good. Some of the testing and alignment steps are confusing since
the construction assumes one wants to build the KPA100 in the K2 body. And,
since I did not put a speaker into the EC2. 

That said, I'm confused about the best measuring points for the bias current
adjustment step on page 50 of Appendix G, Rev H KPA100 construction manual
dated Sept, 2011.

I'm trying to envision exactly where to clip the probes of my DMM. I could
clip the positive (red) lead to the red lead at the back of the power
supply. Then the black (negative) lead to the red (+) J3 connector  That
seems to be in parallel with the positive lead of the power cable . and the
instructions clearly state in series . so, I am confused as to the best two
locations to put the test leads. 

After getting to this point, I would hate to goof and let magic smoke out of
the radio.

Thanks in advance.

gene
WG7GW

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Re: [Elecraft] KPQ100 bias adjustment

2011-12-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gene,

You must connect the DMM in series with the power supply.  Remove the 
positive lead from your power supply and connect the negative lead of 
your DMM to the power supply terminal, then connect the positive lead of 
your DMM to the + wire going to the KPA100.

The instructions are written for the normal installation where the 
KPA100 is installed in place of the QRP top cover, but the same thing 
applies - adjust the bias so the current increase is 400 mA.

I might suggest that you initially put the KPA100 on the K2 as called 
for in the instructions.  Then when all is working normally, move the 
KPA100 to the EC2 enclosure;  There is no need to complicate the picture 
by introducing extra variables into the situation.  Keep everything as 
simple as possible during the bring up steps, and then add the 
necessary complexity after those basic steps have been taken and 
operation verified.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/1/2011 9:38 PM, Eugene Worth wrote:
 I'm moving on to the final alignment of my KAT100-2/KPA100 in an EC2 
 enclosure … split from a stock K2 …

 So far, so good. Some of the testing and alignment steps are confusing since 
 the construction assumes one wants to build the KPA100 in the K2 body. And, 
 since I did not put a speaker into the EC2.

 That said, I'm confused about the best measuring points for the bias current 
 adjustment step on page 50 of Appendix G, Rev H KPA100 construction manual 
 dated Sept, 2011.

 I'm trying to envision exactly where to clip the probes of my DMM. I could 
 clip the positive (red) lead to the red lead at the back of the power supply. 
 Then the black (negative) lead to the red (+) J3 connector  That seems to 
 be in parallel with the positive lead of the power cable … and the 
 instructions clearly state in series … so, I am confused as to the best two 
 locations to put the test leads.

 After getting to this point, I would hate to goof and let magic smoke out of 
 the radio.

 Thanks in advance.

 gene
 WG7GW

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[Elecraft] QRO KXPA100 Price Point?

2011-12-01 Thread szastoupil
I was wondering if a ballpark figure has been announced for the 100W
amplifier?  If so, what is the estimate?

Scott, KB0KFX

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Re: [Elecraft] KPQ100 bias adjustment

2011-12-01 Thread Eugene Worth
Thanks of Don and Ron!

I've got the picture now. 

gene
WG7GW

On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 Gene,
 
 You must connect the DMM in series with the power supply.  Remove the 
 positive lead from your power supply and connect the negative lead of your 
 DMM to the power supply terminal, then connect the positive lead of your DMM 
 to the + wire going to the KPA100.
 
 The instructions are written for the normal installation where the KPA100 is 
 installed in place of the QRP top cover, but the same thing applies - adjust 
 the bias so the current increase is 400 mA.
 
 I might suggest that you initially put the KPA100 on the K2 as called for in 
 the instructions.  Then when all is working normally, move the KPA100 to the 
 EC2 enclosure;  There is no need to complicate the picture by introducing 
 extra variables into the situation.  Keep everything as simple as possible 
 during the bring up steps, and then add the necessary complexity after 
 those basic steps have been taken and operation verified.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
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Re: [Elecraft] How Can Memory access only VFO A?

2011-12-01 Thread Ralph Parker
I just do a quick AB to store the DX frequency in VFO B and 
continue tuning the band.

That's all well and good, but it doesn't address the problem.
I know exactly what Jim is talking about - I also use the memory keys to
get back to the bottom of the band, and have often wished there was a way
to preserve the frequency B too.
Maybe the programmer-in-chief will have an idea.

Ralph, VE7XF

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