Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 6:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I really don't know the relative conductor to shield apacitance of the 4 
> conductor cable may be,

That's something I had to learn about from a practical, hands-on point 
of view for my work in pro audio, and also as a member of the AES 
Standards Committee.

> but common sense tells me that it is variable depending on which conductor 
> you select - at least your implementation of CAT5 twisted pair provides 
> consistency.

In the world of pro audio, for a 10 year period beginning about 15 years 
ago we used RS232 a lot to communicate with DSP used in sound systems, 
and a common connection was for a computer in the audience connected to 
a DSP unit in an equipment rack buried in the bowels of the building. We 
learned by thoughtful experimentation that we could reliably do that 
over 200 ft or more of cable if it was low capacitance cable like CAT5, 
but were limited to far less distance with ordinary cables. The 
capacitance of CAT5 is on the order of 12 pF/ft, while the capacitance 
of ordinary twisted pair is on the order of 35 pF/ft, and it's even 
greater for commonly used cables.

Cable capacitance can be quite important, even with baseband audio, 
where harmonic components coming out of a mic picking up musical 
instruments can extend to 50 kHz and above, and an 38,400 Hz RS232 
circuit will have components well above that..Some output stages can 
ring and even go unstable when driving highly capacitive loads.

BTW -- if you dig up a recent copy of the standard that defines RS232, 
it talks about cable length limitations in terms of cable capacitance, 
not length. In simple terms, it boils down to waveform distortion based 
on capacitive loading of the output stage and high frequency attenuation.

> As far as your "transmission line" suggestions go

What I'm getting at here is that to treat it as a transmission line it 
simply needs to be approximately matched at each end, and the output 
stage needs to be capable of driving the impedance it sees. CAT5 (and 
digital audio cables) are about 100 ohms; most practical jacketed 
cables, twisted or not, are on the order of 70-80 ohms.

With un-matched circuits like RS232, there are three key issues beyond 
timing -- capacitance, loss, and noise. Another important benefit of 
CAT5/6 cables is that their HF attenuation is a lot less than ordinary 
cables.  The method I described for wiring CAT5 at each end helps 
prevent the Pin One Problem from coupling noise, and also minimizes IR 
drop in the return conductor that can be present if the units being 
connected are powered or grounded at different points.

My comment that Elecraft ought to be testing longer cable lengths is 
based on the expectation that, especially with the KX3, some users will 
want to separate their KX3 from their power amp and antenna tuner by 
sticking the KX3 on the dash and the amp/tuner in the trunk. I could see 
cable lengths on the order of 15 ft in a typical car, longer in a few.

I'm with you on specifications too, and simply saying that the bus will 
work for 6 ft is hardly a specification, or even an adequate 
description. What is needed is a more thorough technical description of 
the bus from a SYSTEM point of view, so that a technically educated user 
can look at it, understand its limitations, and understand how to 
implement an optimum interconnection when he needs to approach or 
stretch those limits.

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Control Station

2012-03-23 Thread Phillip Shepard
We are still looking for a substitute NCS for this Sunday's SSB net.  If you
can help out, send me an email.  It's easy and fun.  Sunday, 3/25, at 1800Z
on 14.3035MHz.

 

73,

 

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread Dave Hachadorian
Pasted below is an exchange between myself and Elecraft on a 
similar problem that I had.  I exercised the four pushbuttons to 
the left of the main vfo knobs a few dozen times each, and it 
started working again.  I ordered four encoders at $2 each, but 
the problem has not recurred, so I'm not going to mess with 
replacing the encoders.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, Arizona


Hi Dave,

The most common reason for that to happen, is that one of the 4 
encoders to the left of the main VFO knob is developing a problem 
with the push in switch that is inside the encoder. Often 
wiggling the encoders or pushing their knobs in several times 
will clear the fault. If it becomes persistent, the encoders will 
need to be replaced with new ones.

And yes, sometimes it is just a front panel poor connection. You 
can do exactly what you said about pulling off the front panel 
and pushing it back in. If you have some DeOxit (Radio Shack 
sells it), apply a small amount on the front panel connector pins 
to help stave off moisture related corrosion and poor contact.

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On 9/26/2011 8:15 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
Hi,

Last week, almost all of the front panel buttons on my K3 s/n 993 
stopped working.

I turned the rig off, and back on again.  The POWER switch
worked, but none of the other buttons worked.

I tried to do a switch test, but the menu/config button didn't
work, so I couldn't get into config.

I tried to do an EE INIT, but the shift/lo button wasn't working
either, so the EE INIT failed.

I kept floundering around, pushing buttons, and then everything
started working again.

In the CQWW RTTY contest this weekend, the problem showed up 
again on Sunday morning, after working fine on Friday evening and 
all day Saturday.  I gave the rig a good smack, and it started 
working for a couple of hours.  Then it failed again, and 
couldn't be fixed by further smacking.

Is there an issue with oxidation of front panel pins, where they 
engage the main board?  Maybe I should partially disengage the 
front panel by 1/4 inch, and put it on again to clean the pins? 
Please let me know, because I absolutely need this radio for 
Sweepstakes CW in November.

Thanks.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread Bill K9YEQ
I made no claims, just that with some monitors and card the adapter works.
To be safe, just use a monitor with a VGA connector and get past all this
probability for problems.  The adapters can be very cheap, but if you happen
to have one that works with an earlier DVI/VGA monitor, try it before
investing. The safest bet is a dual vga/dvi card out output video card, or
dvi/vga input on the monitor.  The adapters or cables are truly a crap
shoot.  Anyone who builds or works on desktops would probably tell you that.


I am not sure what this meant:  "K9YEQ, and lo! it spake", but, test your
stuff before spending $'s. 

73,
Bill
K9YEQ
KX3 Field Test #12


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ~BG~
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:09 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

"Hysterical Raisins" aside, DVI-A cables/connectors do exist, they're just
rather rare.

Some people also confuse the DMS-59 connector as a DVI connector.  It's
becoming more common on some display adaptors for dual-monitor on desktop
PCs targeted corporate environments (I see tons of old Dells and HPs with
these at the local TRW Swap meet all the time, not to mention we've got'em
at work as well).

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=dms59

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/video/P69708/Qnvs280_EN/connect.htm


./ben
W6MCM


On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Matthew D. Fuller  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:27:58AM -0500 I heard the voice of Bill 
> K9YEQ, and lo! it spake thus:
>
>
> Or, more verbosely: The point of the DVI connector is to give a 
> digital output (hence the Divital Visual Interface ;).  For hysterical 
> raisins, there are pins on the connector that can also carry a 
> VGA-style analog signal.  So a DVI port can theoretically give you 
> analog, or digital, or both.  Or neither, I guess, but then it's just 
> for show  ;)
>
> Re Joe's mail that I originally replied to:
>
>  > I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However,  > 
> searching the internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with  > 
> DVI but they are for DVI-A.  The cards with DVI-D output are more  > 
> expensive.
>
> I'm not sure what card he's finding that has a DVI-A (only analog) 
> connector on it.  I suspect he's just misreading or something's 
> mislabelled, as there's no real point to that as a port on a card 
> (you'd generally only find it as a cable, or possibly a monitor-side 
> port).  Every DVI card I've ever seen has a DVI-I port (physical pins 
> for both A/D; whether it actually has analog signal on them I don't 
> know).
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR TXF

2012-03-23 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
I've done that already Don. I've checked it via CONFIG and the Utility.

The correct filter is selected, all the settings are correct. It was working
fine, then this error popped up.

Apparently the filter is fine, as it works on RX. 

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR TXF

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Julius,

ERR TXF indicates that the wrong filter is selected for SSB.  It must be 
the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.
You can check usijng K3 Utility or directly with the K2 menu.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/23/2012 8:59 PM, Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote:
> Made a couple SSB QSOs prior to the start of WPX and one QSO in the contest
> itself, but now am getting ERR TXF anytime I try to key the rig. Also, not
> getting any power out to speak of. the pre contest QSOs were LP, the first
> contest QSO QRP.
>
> Checked all the settings, both directly and with the utility, everything is
> set correctly. Tried a reboot, power recycle and reloading the firmware.
> Nada.
>
> Any method of keying in either SSB mode triggers the error message (PTT,
> VOX, DVR). I do have the KDVR3 in this rig, if that makes a diff...
>
> Looks like it works fine on CW, power moves from QRP to LP.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Julius
> n2wn
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim.

Jack Brindle and I just had an off-list email exchange in which he did 
state that the conductor capacitance and resulting waveform distortion 
may be a factor.

I really don't know the relative conductor to shield capacitance of the 
4 conductor cable may be, but common sense tells me that it is variable 
depending on which conductor you select - at least your implementation 
of CAT5 twisted pair provides consistency.

As far as your "transmission line" suggestions go, I am going to go out 
on a limb and say that YES, the AUXBUS signalling is a transmission line 
when external to the K2 (even though it is uncontrolled).  The fact is 
that it "floats around" inside the K2 to all the option processors and 
the KIO2, it is not treated as a transmission line, and level sensing at 
the receivers is sufficient.  When one goes external with that signal, 
the conditions change - to get the signal from "here to there", it must 
appear on some sort of transmission line (the cables in the Elecraft 
KRC2, XVxxx transceivers, KPA100 for some examples) do constitute a 
transmission line whether that is intended or not - but bottom line, the 
receiver is an input to a CMOS firmware chip, and that input is level 
sensitive.
While the drivers and receivers may not have been designed for a 
transmission line ( I believe they were not), they are acting as drivers 
and receivers on whatever transmission line is presented between them.  
Be careful - amateurs often think of transmission lines as coax and 
parallel lines to antennas, but the world of transmission lines is much 
greater then that.

Given the characteristics of transmission lines regarding distortion of 
digital square wave signals, the receiver "interpretation" 
characteristics become important.  I do not see exotic line drivers and 
line receivers in any Elecraft devices, and so the obvious conclusion is 
that the "receivers" are level driven.  If the data pulse is distorted, 
the timing may be off, and if the levels are influenced by line 
capacitance, switching may not occur at all.

In other words, Jack Brindle has tested the K2 AUXBUS up to 6 feet with 
the standard 4 conductor cable, and all seems to be in order.  For those 
who would want to go beyond that length, a lot of careful observation 
for potential problem situations may be required - in other words, go 
ahead and try it - it may work in your setup. but I cannot provide any 
assurance that it will work at that length for all situations.  I am am 
a retired IBM Assurance engineer whose business was testing that a 
product met specifications under all possible conditions.  So I can say 
that it might work for you, but that is no proof that it will work in 
another controlled setting unless you provide detailed data (well beyond 
"it works") to me and the general Elecraft community.

I have not personally tested the command/response timing, but I do 
reflect Jack's comments which I do consider as regsarding "good 
engineering practice".

73,
Don W3FPR


On 3/23/2012 8:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/23/2012 3:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I  recall that 6 feet was
>> considered an OK length because it had been tested - longer lengths had
>> not been tested.
>> Of course, this applies to the K2.  The K3 may or may not be different.
> Thanks Don.  At the very least, if this is a critical issue it ought to
> be tested and the results noted.  There's also the issue of cable
> capacitance, which can be a big deal for high speed lines that are not
> impedance-matched (like RS232).  CAT5 has a big advantage there too --
> it's pretty low capacitance as cables go. Perhaps Jack can tell us if
> that circuit is impedance matched (that is, treated as a transmission
> line).
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K3 ERR TXF

2012-03-23 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
Made a couple SSB QSOs prior to the start of WPX and one QSO in the contest
itself, but now am getting ERR TXF anytime I try to key the rig. Also, not
getting any power out to speak of. the pre contest QSOs were LP, the first
contest QSO QRP.

Checked all the settings, both directly and with the utility, everything is
set correctly. Tried a reboot, power recycle and reloading the firmware.
Nada. 

Any method of keying in either SSB mode triggers the error message (PTT,
VOX, DVR). I do have the KDVR3 in this rig, if that makes a diff... 

Looks like it works fine on CW, power moves from QRP to LP. 

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Julius
n2wn

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
I second this advice! Pull the front panel board and push it back into place.

On 3/23/2012 5:52 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>>
>>> A common cure for this symptom is that one of the buttons on the front>panel
>>> might be stuck
> ==
> Or maybe the front-panel connector has a pin that isn't making
> contact. Maybe if you open it up and wiggle the front panel board?
>
> GL,
> Tony KT0NY
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA no U shaped cursors

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
The 'U' style cursor option will be included in the next SVGA f/w release.

73,

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On 3/23/2012 12:21 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
> Mike you beat me to this by only a couple minutes.  My monitor arrived and 
> I've been beating on it to see what works and what doesn't.  It was 
> disappointing to find that the U shaped cursors didn't come up on the big 
> screen as the vertical bars are a bit overpowering there.  They work 
> absolutely perfect on the small screen, but it would be nice to have them 
> settable on the SVGA independently of the P3 itself if this is even possible. 
>  That way one could select which was better for a given situation.
>
> I picked up a 17" square flat screen off eBay with a 2 year warranty for $85 
> shipped.  It sits right next to my 20" wide screen that I use on the computer 
> and help keep my eyes on the same plane when logging and looking for signals. 
>  Super-super nice addition to the shack equipment.
>
> Now, if only the KAT500 tuner were orderable, I'd have it in the queue as 
> well!
>
> Jim - W0EB
>
>> I just installed my SVGA card and noticed that the VFO cursors are
>> always the
>> green and magenta bar type even if U type is selected. If I select
>> U type,
>> it is U type on the P3 but still bar type on the large monitor. I
>> would like
>> to request that the cursor type on the large screen be the same as
>> that
>> selected on the P3. My firmware version is 1.12.
>>
>> I was surprised at how long it took to load all of the software. I
>> think I
>> dozed off midway and it was still loading when I came to.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K2MK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread Tony Estep
>
>>A common cure for this symptom is that one of the buttons on the front >panel
>>might be stuck
==
Or maybe the front-panel connector has a pin that isn't making
contact. Maybe if you open it up and wiggle the front panel board?

GL,
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[Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread M.
A good thought, and would make sense. On power on, it is in cw mode for a 
second then switches to LSB (rig is on 40m). Tried exercising all the buttons 
but no joy. The two VFOs do tune normally, so seems to be primarily limited to 
the pushbuttons.

Mike N4GU


>A common cure for this symptom is that one of the buttons on the front >panel
>might be stuck. Exercise anything that you need to push for a function >and 
>see if it might clear up.

>John N1JM

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread M.
Thanks for the suggestions, but can't establish serial communications with it 
and can't get to any of the menus from the front panel. It just toggles a few 
items with the wrong buttons.

73, Mike N4GU

--- On Fri, 3/23/12, Thomas Horsten  wrote:

From: Thomas Horsten 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot
To: "M." 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Friday, March 23, 2012, 8:18 PM

Try restoring an old configuration and/or upgrading the firmware with the K3 
utility from a PC. Sounds not so good to me though...
73, Thomas M0TRN

On 24 March 2012 00:11, M.  wrote:


My K3 has lost its mind.



The K3 has been sitting off the operating table for a couple of months 
(sacrilege I know!). Tonight I hooked it back up and powered up and while the 
display looks ok, none of the buttons function as they should. Most of them do 
nothing, others are mis-mapped, i.e. Mode ^ toggles ANT1/2, Mode (dwn) toggles 
RX/ATT, XMIT turns the preamp on and off .





Tried the Shift/Power Up trick to reset and no joy. Of course it doesn't 
respond to any serial communications Checked the internal coin cell and its 
ok ...



Any tricks I'm missing? Hopefully not a trip back to the mothership.



73, Mike N4GU

K3 #01710



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread John_N1JM
A common cure for this symptom is that one of the buttons on the front panel
might be stuck. Exercise anything that you need to push for a function and
see if it might clear up.

John N1JM

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread Jack Berry
Does it accept any commands in the CONFIG menu? Thinking you might be able to 
reset one item at a time. Slow but.

Probably by the time you get my message you'll have six other more helpful 
responses. This is an amazing group. 

Good luck!
Jack - WE5ST

On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Thomas Horsten  wrote:

> Try restoring an old configuration and/or upgrading the firmware with the
> K3 utility from a PC. Sounds not so good to me though...
> 
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
> 
> On 24 March 2012 00:11, M.  wrote:
> 
>> My K3 has lost its mind.
>> 
>> The K3 has been sitting off the operating table for a couple of months
>> (sacrilege I know!). Tonight I hooked it back up and powered up and while
>> the display looks ok, none of the buttons function as they should. Most of
>> them do nothing, others are mis-mapped, i.e. Mode ^ toggles ANT1/2, Mode
>> (dwn) toggles RX/ATT, XMIT turns the preamp on and off .
>> 
>> Tried the Shift/Power Up trick to reset and no joy. Of course it doesn't
>> respond to any serial communications Checked the internal coin cell and
>> its ok ...
>> 
>> Any tricks I'm missing? Hopefully not a trip back to the mothership.
>> 
>> 73, Mike N4GU
>> K3 #01710
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread Thomas Horsten
Try restoring an old configuration and/or upgrading the firmware with the
K3 utility from a PC. Sounds not so good to me though...

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 24 March 2012 00:11, M.  wrote:

> My K3 has lost its mind.
>
> The K3 has been sitting off the operating table for a couple of months
> (sacrilege I know!). Tonight I hooked it back up and powered up and while
> the display looks ok, none of the buttons function as they should. Most of
> them do nothing, others are mis-mapped, i.e. Mode ^ toggles ANT1/2, Mode
> (dwn) toggles RX/ATT, XMIT turns the preamp on and off .
>
> Tried the Shift/Power Up trick to reset and no joy. Of course it doesn't
> respond to any serial communications Checked the internal coin cell and
> its ok ...
>
> Any tricks I'm missing? Hopefully not a trip back to the mothership.
>
> 73, Mike N4GU
> K3 #01710
>
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[Elecraft] K3 reset/reboot

2012-03-23 Thread M.
My K3 has lost its mind.

The K3 has been sitting off the operating table for a couple of months 
(sacrilege I know!). Tonight I hooked it back up and powered up and while the 
display looks ok, none of the buttons function as they should. Most of them do 
nothing, others are mis-mapped, i.e. Mode ^ toggles ANT1/2, Mode (dwn) toggles 
RX/ATT, XMIT turns the preamp on and off .

Tried the Shift/Power Up trick to reset and no joy. Of course it doesn't 
respond to any serial communications Checked the internal coin cell and its 
ok ...

Any tricks I'm missing? Hopefully not a trip back to the mothership.

73, Mike N4GU
K3 #01710

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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 3:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I  recall that 6 feet was
> considered an OK length because it had been tested - longer lengths had
> not been tested.
> Of course, this applies to the K2.  The K3 may or may not be different.

Thanks Don.  At the very least, if this is a critical issue it ought to 
be tested and the results noted.  There's also the issue of cable 
capacitance, which can be a big deal for high speed lines that are not 
impedance-matched (like RS232).  CAT5 has a big advantage there too -- 
it's pretty low capacitance as cables go. Perhaps Jack can tell us if 
that circuit is impedance matched (that is, treated as a transmission 
line).

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA Display Pan Level Change When Turning VFO A or B

2012-03-23 Thread Matt Zilmer
Do you have the P3 in Tracking or Fixed mode?

matt W6NIA

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:15:07 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello fellow owners of the P3SVGA Display Board,
>I must be missing a menu setting.  Whenever I tune either the main or sub VFO 
>the external VGA average pan display trace drops from -120 dbm to -135 dbm all 
>the while the VFO is changing frequency.  This makes it all but impossible to 
>visually tune to a weak CW signal by just watching the VGA pan display as you 
>tune the VFO.  Each time I stop tuning the pan display jumps back up to the 
>-120 dbm reference line and all the weak signals once again appear in the pan 
>display.  This does not happen on the small screen pan display.  Is there a 
>separate menu adjustment that prevents the VGA pan display level from dropping 
>-15 dbm when the either receive VFO is tuned?  I just know I have something 
>set up wrong in the menu system.
>
>Any input welcome,
>Frank - W6NEK
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA Display Pan Level Change When Turning VFO A or B

2012-03-23 Thread W6NEK
Hi Vic,
Many thanks for the feedback.  Yes, Fixed Mode works FB.  Guess I'll just 
have to get used to using this mode when the VGA display is enabled.  Must 
have something to do with the processing power available to redraw the 
entire spectrum compensating for continuous frequency updates in Tracking 
Mode.  LP-PAN/NaP3 displays properly in tracking mode but then again I have 
a Intel I7 powered PC doing the heavy lifting ;-)

Thanks again for the info,
Frank - W6NEK

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA Display Pan Level Change When Turning VFO A 
or B


> I've noticed the same thing -- in tracking mode, but not fixed mode. I 
> don't know the
> reason for it and I'm pretty sure that there's nothing you can do about 
> it. You might see
> if you like fixed mode, which I greatly prefer.
>
> On 3/23/2012 4:15 PM, W6NEK wrote:
>> Hello fellow owners of the P3SVGA Display Board, I must be missing a menu 
>> setting.
>> Whenever I tune either the main or sub VFO the external VGA average pan 
>> display trace
>> drops from -120 dbm to -135 dbm all the while the VFO is changing 
>> frequency.  This
>> makes it all but impossible to visually tune to a weak CW signal by just 
>> watching the
>> VGA pan display as you tune the VFO.  Each time I stop tuning the pan 
>> display jumps
>> back up to the -120 dbm reference line and all the weak signals once 
>> again appear in
>> the pan display.  This does not happen on the small screen pan display. 
>> Is there a
>> separate menu adjustment that prevents the VGA pan display level from 
>> dropping -15 dbm
>> when the either receive VFO is tuned?  I just know I have something set 
>> up wrong in the
>> menu system.
>>
>> Any input welcome, Frank - W6NEK
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA Display Pan Level Change When Turning VFO A or B

2012-03-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
I've noticed the same thing -- in tracking mode, but not fixed mode. I don't 
know the 
reason for it and I'm pretty sure that there's nothing you can do about it. You 
might see 
if you like fixed mode, which I greatly prefer.

On 3/23/2012 4:15 PM, W6NEK wrote:
> Hello fellow owners of the P3SVGA Display Board, I must be missing a menu 
> setting.
> Whenever I tune either the main or sub VFO the external VGA average pan 
> display trace
> drops from -120 dbm to -135 dbm all the while the VFO is changing frequency.  
> This
> makes it all but impossible to visually tune to a weak CW signal by just 
> watching the
> VGA pan display as you tune the VFO.  Each time I stop tuning the pan display 
> jumps
> back up to the -120 dbm reference line and all the weak signals once again 
> appear in
> the pan display.  This does not happen on the small screen pan display.  Is 
> there a
> separate menu adjustment that prevents the VGA pan display level from 
> dropping -15 dbm
> when the either receive VFO is tuned?  I just know I have something set up 
> wrong in the
> menu system.
>
> Any input welcome, Frank - W6NEK
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[Elecraft] P3SVGA Display Pan Level Change When Turning VFO A or B

2012-03-23 Thread W6NEK
Hello fellow owners of the P3SVGA Display Board,
I must be missing a menu setting.  Whenever I tune either the main or sub VFO 
the external VGA average pan display trace drops from -120 dbm to -135 dbm all 
the while the VFO is changing frequency.  This makes it all but impossible to 
visually tune to a weak CW signal by just watching the VGA pan display as you 
tune the VFO.  Each time I stop tuning the pan display jumps back up to the 
-120 dbm reference line and all the weak signals once again appear in the pan 
display.  This does not happen on the small screen pan display.  Is there a 
separate menu adjustment that prevents the VGA pan display level from dropping 
-15 dbm when the either receive VFO is tuned?  I just know I have something set 
up wrong in the menu system.

Any input welcome,
Frank - W6NEK
 
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Re: [Elecraft] kdvr3 update

2012-03-23 Thread K5VWW - Orville
I believe this to be a preemptive measure on the part of Elecraft.
As I was working my way through the assembly of my new K3, I reached the
point on page 38 where it calls for the use of a 4-40x1/4 nylon screw with
the standoff which holds the DVR board in place.
In place of the nylon screws, there were 3 nylon 4-40 nuts. All other
components were correct. The missing component number is E700166. I notified
them of the substitution, possibly in a batch of kdvr3 kits.

Orville Burg, K5VWW

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I got a email saying Elecraft shipped me nylon screws because it might have
gone out with other ones. Does anyone know what this is or does? Thanks.


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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim,

While you may be correct about the noise pickup, there is also concern 
about timing issues - if only because the performance has not been 
tested at longer lengths by observing the bit timings on the AUUXBUS.

Some time back I had discussions with Jack Brindle about about extending 
the cable length to the KRC2.  He did indicate that there could be 
timing issues on the AUXBUS.  Being a single wire interface, when a 
command is sent, the sending device waits for the expected response, and 
if it is not received in time, an error condition will be declared.
Those are the facts as I know them, and I  recall that 6 feet was 
considered an OK length because it had been tested - longer lengths had 
not been tested.
Of course, this applies to the K2.  The K3 may or may not be different.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/23/2012 6:04 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 3/23/2012 12:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I don't think you will get any smoke, but if you get "strange
>> happenings" - like the KPA100 is not recognized, or doesn't give a
>> response back to the K2 in sufficient time (command flow over the
>> AUXBUS) and things get "mixed up" or you get ERR 080, the cure will be
>> to shorten the cable.
> I would not expect timing problems, but parallel wire cables are recipe
> for noise and RFI problems, and making them longer makes that worse. I
> don't understand why, but Elecraft seems still not to have gotten the
> message that TWISTING is FAR more important than shielding in providing
> immunity from RFI and noise.
>
> There are simple instructions on my website for using CAT5 cable for
> this sort of application.
> http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf   The specific wiring
> instructions are given for RS232 connections, and your cable is NOT, but
> if you will be in good shape if you follow the conceptual instructions
> of using one twisted pair for each signal circuit with the "colored"
> conductor used as the numbered pin and all four "white/color striped"
> conductors twisted together and tied to the connector shell.  If you
> have shielded CAT5, tie those four striped whites to the designated
> return pin and tie the shield to the connector shells.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread n3...@n3tzj.org
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 02:14:21PM -0700 I heard the voice of
Joe Ford, and lo! it spake thus:
>
> There must be monitors with DVI-A female (and only DVI-A) otherwise
> why have such a connector. When I ordered a VGI to DVI cable what I
> was sent was the VGA/DVI-A cable which is of no use to me.

That's the general use case for DVI-A connectors; going from the DVI
controller end to a VGA on the device end.

A general purpose video card will practically always have a DVI-I
(both outputs) socket on the back.  Into a DVI-I port, you can plugin
a DVI-A plug (passing only analog), a DVI-D plug (passing only
digital), or a DVI-I plug (passing both).

Both electrically and physically, the DVI-I is a superset; both itself
and the two more specialized variants can plugin to it.  Hence, why
the card will almost certainly be DVI-I.  And since there's not much
point using a DVI port if you're only going to output analog and no
digital, you can pretty well assume any card is putting out at least
the digital side.  Certainly anything in the last 5 or 6 years, since
LCD's are the lion's share of the market.  My video card is something
like 7-8 years old, and it has 2 digital-out DVI ports on it.


If you're going to a LCD, you pretty well always want a digital in.
Even when they take analog (as in a 15-pin VGA), they just turn that
into digital internally, since that's how it controls the pixels.  So,
a LCD will generally have a DVI-D port.  Maybe occasionally a DVI-I,
just for the extra connector compatibility (you can put a DVI-D plug
into a DVI-I port, but not vice versa), but the analog side will
probably not be connected.

On the other hand, a CRT needs that analog steering; that's how it
moves the beam and turns it stronger and weaker.  There may be some
CRT's out there with a digital in (I haven't seen any, but It Stands
To Reason(tm)), but if so, they're going to have to convert it into
analog internally to be able to display the signal (sorta the opposite
of putting analog into a LCD).  So, a common config for this is a
cable with a DVI-A on one side, and a DE-15 VGA connector on the
other.  Possibly, it may have a DVI-I connector on the device side
instead, and only hook up the analog pins, but usually not, since that
cuts down on the ports it can hook into (it could only hook up to a
DVI-I, not a DVI-A).


I doubt there are many device-side DVI-A ports.  There're sure to be
some, for weird special needs, but I'd definitely expect them to be
niche cases.  If something really wants analog, it would just use
DE-15 since that's already all over the place on analog eq.  There may
be some use of device-side DVI-I, for devices that could take either
digital or analog.  But then, it's common enough to just have both a
DVI and a VGA like on your monitor, so that's probably uncommon too.


> My PC which is several years old has only the 15 pin VGA output. If
> my monitor had a DVI-I input, which it doesn't, it should work with
> this cable, because it will work digital or analog.

If it did, yah.  I'd expect such monitors to be rare though; having a
VGA port to handle an analog in is still so standard, there's probably
not much point in adding the complexity of trying to take analog over
the DVI too.


> I was just guessing that because they were cheap they were analog
> but I had no way of knowing for sure. 

I'd bet they're all just digital.  It's _more_ work to turn it into
analog, after all.

For a ref, look at the Radeon 5000 series at Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=17709%20600030349%2067320&IsNodeId=1&name=Radeon%20HD%205000%20series

The 7000 series are mostly out now, so the 5000 is almost 2 gens back.
The 4000's are old enough they're actually often more expensive.
There's a good selection of 5450's under $30 shipping and all, and
they all have at one analog (VGA) and 2 digital (DVI and HDMI) outs.
You could poke around for a 4/5000 on ebay maybe, but I'm not sure
you'd actually save much in the end at those prices, and you wouldn't
get as good a return policy.


> My PC has the 15 pin output and the P3SVGA has that connector also.
> If I'm going to have only one monitor it will have to have 2 of the
> 15 pin inputs or one 15 pin and one DVI-A.

You could try getting a KVM switch and just switch the one 15 pin
between the two.  But a cheap KVM will fuzzy the picture all up, and
an expensive one would be expensive.  It'd be way cheaper and you'd be
way happier spending 30 bucks on a video card.


> Or I'll need to go to 2 monitors.

Well, any excuse...   8-}


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[Elecraft] kdvr3 update

2012-03-23 Thread KC6CNN
I got a email saying Elecraft shipped me nylon screws because it might have
gone out with other ones. Does anyone know what this is or does? Thanks.


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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 12:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I don't think you will get any smoke, but if you get "strange
> happenings" - like the KPA100 is not recognized, or doesn't give a
> response back to the K2 in sufficient time (command flow over the
> AUXBUS) and things get "mixed up" or you get ERR 080, the cure will be
> to shorten the cable.

I would not expect timing problems, but parallel wire cables are recipe 
for noise and RFI problems, and making them longer makes that worse. I 
don't understand why, but Elecraft seems still not to have gotten the 
message that TWISTING is FAR more important than shielding in providing 
immunity from RFI and noise.

There are simple instructions on my website for using CAT5 cable for 
this sort of application.  
http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf   The specific wiring 
instructions are given for RS232 connections, and your cable is NOT, but 
if you will be in good shape if you follow the conceptual instructions 
of using one twisted pair for each signal circuit with the "colored" 
conductor used as the numbered pin and all four "white/color striped" 
conductors twisted together and tied to the connector shell.  If you 
have shielded CAT5, tie those four striped whites to the designated 
return pin and tie the shield to the connector shells.

73, Jim Brown K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] SVGA Monitor

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Sheldon
Yes there is under the SVGA menu -- it's labled SVGA Fill and if "Fill below 
spectrum line" is on, you'll get that grey stuff.  Turn off "Fill below 
spectrum line" and it'll go away.

Jim - W0EB

> I noticed today that the yellow signal cycles on my external
> monitor are
> filled in with a gray-brown color.  I had not noticed this before.
> I cannot
> find a way to turn this off in the P3 menu to see only the yellow
> signal.
> This fill-in color does not appear on the P3 display.  Is it normal
> to see
> this on the external monitor?  Should there be a monitor menu entry
> to cut
> this off?  Roy  W4WFB
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[Elecraft] SVGA Monitor

2012-03-23 Thread Adrian
Go to P3 menu
menu > SVGA menu > SVGA fill  >svga fill off

Adrian ... vk4tux
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[Elecraft] SVGA Monitor

2012-03-23 Thread Roy Morris
I noticed today that the yellow signal cycles on my external monitor are 
filled in with a gray-brown color.  I had not noticed this before.  I cannot 
find a way to turn this off in the P3 menu to see only the yellow signal. 
This fill-in color does not appear on the P3 display.  Is it normal to see 
this on the external monitor?  Should there be a monitor menu entry to cut 
this off?  Roy  W4WFB 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Utility (Mac)

2012-03-23 Thread David Fleming
Yes, in the works...

David, W4SMT

--- Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:

> Hi Bill, 
> 
> It is my understanding that a version is in the works. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> w4ish wrote
> > 
> > Will there soon be the P3 Utility SVGA for the Mac? I
> discovered the hard
> > way that if you update the P3 Software to 1.12 via the
> Mac Utility, it
> > introduces strange bugs into the SVGA operation. (Like
> putting the noise
> > Ref Lvl to -45 dBm on the large monitor while it was
> -90 on the P3, and it
> > could only be corrected by tuning about 2 MHz off
> frequency with the VFO
> > knob and then slowly tuning back to your frequency of
> interest.)  Luckily
> > I had VMWare on my mac, so I could use the Windows
> version of the updated
> > Utility!
> > Bill
> > W4ISH

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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Ford
My one monitor has 2 inputs, one is the standard VGA and the other is a DVI-D 
(3 rows of 8 pins and 1 flat pin). So if I had a card with a DVI-D out I should 
be able to connect the PC to the monitor. I googled "DVI-D". One of the hits 
was Amazon and it showed many cards but they only described the outputs as DVI, 
not DVI-D or DVI-A. And the photos did not show the connector up close. I was 
just guessing that because they were cheap they were analog but I had no way of 
knowing for sure. 


There must be monitors with DVI-A female (and only DVI-A) otherwise why have 
such a connector. When I ordered a VGI to DVI cable what I was sent was the 
VGA/DVI-A cable which is of no use to me. My PC which is several years old has 
only the 15 pin VGA output. If my monitor had a DVI-I input, which it doesn't, 
it should work with this cable, because it will work digital or analog.. 


My PC has the 15 pin output and the P3SVGA has that connector also. If I'm 
going to have only one monitor it will have to have 2 of the 15 pin inputs or 
one 15 pin and one DVI-A.
Or I'll need to go to 2 monitors.

Thanks for the advice.

Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread ~BG~
"Hysterical Raisins" aside, DVI-A cables/connectors do exist, they're just
rather rare.

Some people also confuse the DMS-59 connector as a DVI connector.  It's
becoming more common on some display adaptors for dual-monitor on desktop
PCs targeted corporate environments (I see tons of old Dells and HPs with
these at the local TRW Swap meet all the time, not to mention we've got'em
at work as well).

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=dms59

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/video/P69708/Qnvs280_EN/connect.htm


./ben
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Matthew D. Fuller  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:27:58AM -0500 I heard the voice of
> Bill K9YEQ, and lo! it spake thus:
>
>
> Or, more verbosely: The point of the DVI connector is to give a
> digital output (hence the Divital Visual Interface ;).  For hysterical
> raisins, there are pins on the connector that can also carry a
> VGA-style analog signal.  So a DVI port can theoretically give you
> analog, or digital, or both.  Or neither, I guess, but then it's just
> for show  ;)
>
> Re Joe's mail that I originally replied to:
>
>  > I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However,
>  > searching the internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with
>  > DVI but they are for DVI-A.  The cards with DVI-D output are more
>  > expensive.
>
> I'm not sure what card he's finding that has a DVI-A (only analog)
> connector on it.  I suspect he's just misreading or something's
> mislabelled, as there's no real point to that as a port on a card
> (you'd generally only find it as a cable, or possibly a monitor-side
> port).  Every DVI card I've ever seen has a DVI-I port (physical pins
> for both A/D; whether it actually has analog signal on them I don't
> know).
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K144XV for sale

2012-03-23 Thread Randy Powell
The K144XV has been sold. Thanks for your interest.

Randy W6SW

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA no U shaped cursors

2012-03-23 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
I mentioned that a few days ago and on the list we were told that was to 
be provided at a later update of the firmware. 73, tom n4zpt

On 3/23/2012 3:11 PM, Mike K2MK wrote:
> I just installed my SVGA card and noticed that the VFO cursors are always the
> green and magenta bar type even if U type is selected. If I select U type,
> it is U type on the P3 but still bar type on the large monitor. I would like
> to request that the cursor type on the large screen be the same as that
> selected on the P3. My firmware version is 1.12.
>
> I was surprised at how long it took to load all of the software. I think I
> dozed off midway and it was still loading when I came to.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
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[Elecraft] A new K2 power issue?

2012-03-23 Thread gary7
I am bring a new K2 into the world and I have completed my steps up to P67.
Ready for 'Assembly, Part III'. I am an experienced builder and have a
generous assembly and test bench. One thing I noticed, when I turned the
unit on for 'Alignment and Test, Part II', the K2 was drawing 240mA rather
than the 80mA in my first turn on. As this is more than the unit should draw
when finished I do have some concern. The only part that seems to be getting
warm is Q22 which appears normal, but there seems to be 100mA lost (almost
100% more than the 120mA nominal).

As I am not the first to build one of these, I hope there might be some
ideas out there. I am not sure if this is normal for this stage or there is
something wrong.

Thanks,

Gary
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[Elecraft] KX3 Owner's Manual, revision A

2012-03-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Thanks, everyone, for all of your excellent feedback on the Field-Test  
edition of the KX3 owner's manual. I have incorporated as many of the  
changes as possible, and saved the rest for later editions.

The first production edition of the KX3 manual can be found on our  
manual downloads page:

   http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX3

This edition includes a full Calibration section. All of these steps  
are performed at the factory for *both* kit and assembled KX3s. But we  
wanted to document the procedures in case you ever want to test or  
align the K3 yourself.

Let me know if you find any further typos or missing/incorrect info.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Chris,

I don't think you will get any smoke, but if you get "strange 
happenings" - like the KPA100 is not recognized, or doesn't give a 
response back to the K2 in sufficient time (command flow over the 
AUXBUS) and things get "mixed up" or you get ERR 080, the cure will be 
to shorten the cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/23/2012 2:49 PM, Chris Kimball wrote:
> Just made up a new cable of length approximately 15 ft. (That's the length
> that was available.)  It's foil-shielded, 4 conductor cable probably equal
> or equivalent to that provided by Elecraft.
>
> The KPA-100 / KAT-100 combination appear to be working normally.  Is this a
> new world record for internal bus length?  Or does the smoke appear later?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA no U shaped cursors

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Sheldon
Mike you beat me to this by only a couple minutes.  My monitor arrived and I've 
been beating on it to see what works and what doesn't.  It was disappointing to 
find that the U shaped cursors didn't come up on the big screen as the vertical 
bars are a bit overpowering there.  They work absolutely perfect on the small 
screen, but it would be nice to have them settable on the SVGA independently of 
the P3 itself if this is even possible.  That way one could select which was 
better for a given situation.

I picked up a 17" square flat screen off eBay with a 2 year warranty for $85 
shipped.  It sits right next to my 20" wide screen that I use on the computer 
and help keep my eyes on the same plane when logging and looking for signals.  
Super-super nice addition to the shack equipment.

Now, if only the KAT500 tuner were orderable, I'd have it in the queue as well!

Jim - W0EB

> I just installed my SVGA card and noticed that the VFO cursors are
> always the
> green and magenta bar type even if U type is selected. If I select
> U type,
> it is U type on the P3 but still bar type on the large monitor. I
> would like
> to request that the cursor type on the large screen be the same as
> that
> selected on the P3. My firmware version is 1.12.
>
> I was surprised at how long it took to load all of the software. I
> think I
> dozed off midway and it was still loading when I came to.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA no U shaped cursors

2012-03-23 Thread Mike K2MK
I just installed my SVGA card and noticed that the VFO cursors are always the
green and magenta bar type even if U type is selected. If I select U type,
it is U type on the P3 but still bar type on the large monitor. I would like
to request that the cursor type on the large screen be the same as that
selected on the P3. My firmware version is 1.12.

I was surprised at how long it took to load all of the software. I think I
dozed off midway and it was still loading when I came to.

73,
Mike K2MK

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Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Kimball
Just made up a new cable of length approximately 15 ft. (That's the length
that was available.)  It's foil-shielded, 4 conductor cable probably equal
or equivalent to that provided by Elecraft.

The KPA-100 / KAT-100 combination appear to be working normally.  Is this a
new world record for internal bus length?  Or does the smoke appear later?

Chris
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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread 'Matthew D. Fuller'
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:27:58AM -0500 I heard the voice of
Bill K9YEQ, and lo! it spake thus:
>
> I have found I am able to feed analog signal from a DVI PC output
> into an analog/DVI monitor using and adapter out of the DVI output.

Right, but that's orthogonal.  Many cards with DVI can provide analog
out through the port, yes.  My point though is that I'm not aware of
any that don't provide digital (and I can't imagine what the point of
such a thing would be).


Or, more verbosely: The point of the DVI connector is to give a
digital output (hence the Divital Visual Interface ;).  For hysterical
raisins, there are pins on the connector that can also carry a
VGA-style analog signal.  So a DVI port can theoretically give you
analog, or digital, or both.  Or neither, I guess, but then it's just
for show  ;)

But there'd be no point in having a card's DVI port only speak analog,
and not digital; you might as well just put a DE-15 and be done with
it, as it gives you exactly the same capabilities (and the DE-15 will
be higher quality than the analog pins over DVI).  So it's a pretty
safe assumption that any video card with a DVI port is capable of
talking digital out of it; it may also talk analog (I know some do; I
don't know whether it's common or rare lately), but it's staggeringly
unlikely for a card to do (analog && !digital).

Re Joe's mail that I originally replied to:

  > I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However,
  > searching the internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with
  > DVI but they are for DVI-A.  The cards with DVI-D output are more
  > expensive.

I'm not sure what card he's finding that has a DVI-A (only analog)
connector on it.  I suspect he's just misreading or something's
mislabelled, as there's no real point to that as a port on a card
(you'd generally only find it as a cable, or possibly a monitor-side
port).  Every DVI card I've ever seen has a DVI-I port (physical pins
for both A/D; whether it actually has analog signal on them I don't
know).



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Solomon SR-976 Replacement Tips For Sale

2012-03-23 Thread Garry
Hi,
I would like to buy your SR-976 parts.
Garry
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Utility (Mac)

2012-03-23 Thread Paul Saffren N6HZ
Hi Bill, 

It is my understanding that a version is in the works. 

73, 

Paul


w4ish wrote
> 
> Will there soon be the P3 Utility SVGA for the Mac? I discovered the hard
> way that if you update the P3 Software to 1.12 via the Mac Utility, it
> introduces strange bugs into the SVGA operation. (Like putting the noise
> Ref Lvl to -45 dBm on the large monitor while it was -90 on the P3, and it
> could only be corrected by tuning about 2 MHz off frequency with the VFO
> knob and then slowly tuning back to your frequency of interest.)  Luckily
> I had VMWare on my mac, so I could use the Windows version of the updated
> Utility!
> Bill
> W4ISH
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w4ish wrote
> 
> Will there soon be the P3 Utility SVGA for the Mac? I discovered the hard
> way that if you update the P3 Software to 1.12 via the Mac Utility, it
> introduces strange bugs into the SVGA operation. (Like putting the noise
> Ref Lvl to -45 dBm on the large monitor while it was -90 on the P3, and it
> could only be corrected by tuning about 2 MHz off frequency with the VFO
> knob and then slowly tuning back to your frequency of interest.)  Luckily
> I had VMWare on my mac, so I could use the Windows version of the updated
> Utility!
> Bill
> W4ISH
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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread Bill K9YEQ
I have found I am able to feed analog signal from a DVI PC output into an
analog/DVI monitor using and adapter out of the DVI output.   (FYI-I build
PC's and do various desk topping for a living.)  I don't think a conclusion
can be drawn about DVI outputs from all the various vendors.  Adapters for
Monitors/cards were included in earlier models.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew D. Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:52 AM
To: Joe Ford
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 05:59:55AM -0700 I heard the voice of Joe Ford, and
lo! it spake thus:
> 
> I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However, searching 
> the internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with DVI but they 
> are for DVI-A. The cards with DVI-D output are more expensive.

I'm not sure there are any video cards with DVI outs that only spit analog
out them.  Seems pretty pointless.  If it'd got a DVI port on the card, I'd
take it as given that it has TMDS digital data coming out of it.


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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 05:59:55AM -0700 I heard the voice of
Joe Ford, and lo! it spake thus:
> 
> I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However,
> searching the internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with
> DVI but they are for DVI-A. The cards with DVI-D output are more
> expensive.

I'm not sure there are any video cards with DVI outs that only spit
analog out them.  Seems pretty pointless.  If it'd got a DVI port on
the card, I'd take it as given that it has TMDS digital data coming
out of it.


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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread david Moes
Just had a quick look at Tigerdirect (Canadian version) and they had 
plenty of adapters that were under $20all with VGA  some with DVI-d 
and DVI-Inone with DVI-a   at least for the ones that showed the 
connector in the photo.   also many of these also had HDMI as well.
these were PC express   there was also some agp cards that had DVI-I   
for just over $30still cheaper than a monitor.  based on this you 
should be able to easily find one at your local computer store that will 
work for you.  I am sure I have one or two AGP cards in my junk box.
if your DVI cable is DVI-D  it will fit the DVI-I and will work for 
digital input.



On 3/23/2012 5:59 AM, Joe Ford wrote:
> Thanks for all your inputs on this.
>
> My PC has only one video out and it is VGA. Studying the pictures of DVI 
> connectors, the DVI input on my monitor is DVI-D so it will not accept DVI 
> analog.
>
>
> I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However, searching the 
> internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with DVI but they are for 
> DVI-A. The cards with DVI-D output are more expensive.
>
> So probably a new monitor with the inputs I need is the best way to go.
>
> Joe
> k4nvj
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[Elecraft] K3 Stuck Screw Removal

2012-03-23 Thread Mike K2MK
I wanted to share a very successful procedure to remove one of the flat head
4-40 cover screws from my K3. The screw head was damaged beyond use. There
was a long thread on the subject last year and one poster suggested using a
left hand drill bit. I purchased a 3/32" left hand bit, chucked it into my
hand drill, masked off the screw to avoid any cover damage, drilled very
slowly, and 5 seconds later the drill bit with the entire screw was in my
hands. The threads of the 2-D fastener were totally undamaged and a new
screw was easily put into place. My thanks to the poster that made the
recommendation.

73,
Mike K2MK

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Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Ford
Thanks for all your inputs on this.

My PC has only one video out and it is VGA. Studying the pictures of DVI 
connectors, the DVI input on my monitor is DVI-D so it will not accept DVI 
analog. 


I could add a video card with DVI output to my PC. However, searching the 
internet it appears there are inexpensive cards with DVI but they are for 
DVI-A. The cards with DVI-D output are more expensive.

So probably a new monitor with the inputs I need is the best way to go.

Joe
k4nvj
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[Elecraft] P3SVGA on the Way!

2012-03-23 Thread Ian Kahn
According to the UPS web site, my P3SVGA board is on the truck and should
arrive at the QTH by end of day today.  That's the good news.  The bad news
is I'll wait until after the contest this weekend to perform the
installation.  This makes a great birthday present to myself, and I
can't wait to see the P3 on the big screen that's been waiting for it.

Thanks to everyone at Elecraft!

73,

-- Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
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K3 #281, P3 #688
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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA Utility (Mac)

2012-03-23 Thread William Evans
Will there soon be the P3 Utility SVGA for the Mac? I discovered the hard way 
that if you update the P3 Software to 1.12 via the Mac Utility, it introduces 
strange bugs into the SVGA operation. (Like putting the noise Ref Lvl to -45 
dBm on the large monitor while it was -90 on the P3, and it could only be 
corrected by tuning about 2 MHz off frequency with the VFO knob and then slowly 
tuning back to your frequency of interest.)  Luckily I had VMWare on my mac, so 
I could use the Windows version of the updated Utility!
Bill
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