[Elecraft] K3 Erratic SSB Power Output (G8DX)

2013-07-24 Thread Tom Boucher
Jack,

Each time I have had problems with my K3, including the one described by 
yourself, I have fixed it by removing the front panel, carefully cleaning all 
connector contacts and re-assembling. I put a thin layer of 'Contralube' 
(Maplins) on the connector pins which not only keeps the connector surfaces in 
good condition but also reduces the amount of force needed to remove the panel. 
I can do it with my thumbs now and don't have to use the little screw driver 
slot. Remember to remove that screw on the 3-D block on the lower left side.

Good luck!
Tom G3OLB
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3} rig control with fldigi

2013-07-24 Thread g8kbvdave
A note for Windows users of Fldigi and the KX3.

The version of Hamlib, compiled into Fldigi (for Windows) is not 
always the latest version as found on the Hamlib project pages.

You can find out what version it is using, with Help, Build Info 
and scroll down to  libraries.

You also CANNOT (sory to shout) just download/install a later 
version of the Hamlib DLL, or build one from source on 
Windows(Cygwin) and expect Fldigi(on Windows) to use it.  It will 
not, it cannot link to, or use a later external file.  The program 
is not built that way on Windows.

(The Linux version does allow you to do that, as it uses whatever is 
installed elsewhere on the system, and that too can sometimes cause 
confusion for some.)

If what rig control facilities already built into Fldigi will not 
work for you, try creating a new XML file for Fldigi's RigCAT 
function, but base it on an existing Elecraft file, that should get 
you close for starters.   You can edit/save/create XML files with 
Windows Notepad just fine.

There is an existing K3 file already in there:-
http://www.w1hkj.com/xmlarchives.html
That should be at a guess, close to what is needed already.

You only realy need frequency control/readback, and mode 
control/readback (remember to go for DATA A(?) mode ('MD 6' CAT 
command I think) to disable any RX/TX compression/equalisation 
settings you use for voice modes.)  Also set the filters for 
something like 100Hz to 3kHz, and use TX/RX control by CAT command, 
as the KX3 supports that.   There almost certainly will be other 
details to figure out and fine tune, but that's the basics's 
covered.

You will need however, knowledge of the commands and parameters used 
by the K3/KX3 (or whatever rig you have) they are all in the 
programmers reference manual, freely downloadable from Elecraft:-
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3KX3%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20E6.pdf
(Yes, that link does work, I just checked it.)

And idealy a dumb terminal emulator to experiment with.  The KX3Util 
program can be used for that, if you don't have such a tool already.

It can all be done, it is not dificult, but can be time consuming 
(Warning.  It can be adictive too!)

Also read the comments in the FldigiWiki (google for it!)  
https://fedorahosted.org/fldigi/wiki/Documentation/HOWTO

Especially the Taming the Wild COMport in Windows item under:-
I/O Device Naming

It is all possible, you just have to search and read how.

I have a KX3, am a long time user of Fldigi on Windows and Linux, 
and have created the Kenwood TS-870s.xml file, so when I get time(?) 
I will do this (also in Flrig, one day, unless someone less rusty at 
C/C++ gets there before me) but in the mean time feel free to create 
one yourself.  You may find it a lot easier than you imagine.   
Plus, the grin factor at the end when *You* made it all work, is 
well worth it.   Just post the result back to the Fldigi list (and 
here) for all to revel in your new found expertise.

It's all open source after all, the idea being that the community 
contributes and all benefit.

There is lots of help on the WinFldigi list (on Yahoo) too if you 
ask.

Get stuck in, and Enjoy!

73.

Dave G0WBX.


On 23 Jul 2013 at 12:00, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

 Message: 21
 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 06:36:07 -0500
 From: Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3} rig control with fldigi
 Message-ID: 20130723113607.gs27...@n0nb.us
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 * On 2013 22 Jul 21:57 -0500, Mike WA8BXN wrote:
  I have found the solution to my problem. First, when the initialize
  button is pressed an error message appeared on the bottom of the
  main window, not on the configuration window that pops up. It took
  me a while to see that. I am using the hamlib option to control the
  KX3. It seems the com port number cannot be bigger than 9 for it to
  work. My Elecraft USB cable defaulted to a com port greater than 9,
  so it did not work. Going to device manager for that com port, one
  can change to com port number, in my case I changed it to com2 and
  it works fine now. 
 
 Hi Mike, et. al.
 
 The latest version of Fldigi that is in testing (I'm not exactly sure,
 ask Dave, W1HKJ, for which version of Fldigi this change affects)
 includes the latest version of Hamlib where the COM9+ limitation
 should be removed.
 
 If there are issues with the KX3 Hamlib support, please let me know.
 
 73, de Nate 
 
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 possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Optimum Monitor for the P3 SVGA?

2013-07-24 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Hank,

I believe the comment you are recalling has to do with the data display at
the very bottom of the external monitor. The data display (CW, RTTY, and
PSK) can be turned on or off.

What Dave meant is that you can obtain a taller waterfall display. If the
waterfall is tall you can see signals that are several minutes old. I never
measured the time duration and of course it would vary depending on how tall
you make the waterfall. Needless to say it is well in excess of 10 seconds. 

In my opinion the SVGA option for the P3 is worth the price of admission.

73,
Mike K2MK


Hank Garretson wrote
 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Dave Hachadorian lt;

 k6ll.dave@

 gt;wrote:
 
 The higher they are, the more time history you can see.

 
 Is that the case? I thought I asked question about more history with SVGA
 awhile back, and I though the answer was that history duration was
 established by P3.
 
 Did I misinterpret? In particular, right now the way my P3 is setup I get
 about ten seconds of waterfall history. If I keep those P3 settings, can I
 see more than ten seconds of waterfall on the SVGA? If yes, how much more?
 
 73,
 Hank, W6SX





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[Elecraft] K3 For Sale (Updated Package Price)

2013-07-24 Thread John Dziedziejko
I have decided to also include my P3 in the package This is what I am
selling now:

K3 Serial #1455
KAT3 Internal ATU
KPA3 Internal 100 Watt Upgrade
KXV3A IF Out  Xverter Interface
KBPF3 General Coverage Module
6K 8 Pole Filter
2.7 KHZ Standard Filter
2.1 KHZ Filter
500 HZ Filter
400 HZ 8 Pole Filter

P3 with SVGA Card

Asking $2650.00 Plus Shipping and Insurance. Sale to US Market Only. No
Trades.

Please contact me off list.

Thanks for looking.

John W9QP

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-24 Thread Rich Heineck
That one reminds me of a story told some time back at one of our local 
QRP group meetings.  One of the fellows once had a coworker who claimed 
the source of the power significantly affected audio quality, and that 
power from a hydro generator produced much cleaner sound  than power 
from a natural gas power plant.  Apparently the guy was dead serious.  
It took quite a while for the laughter to die down...


73,
Rich AC7MA


On 07/23/2013 02:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

And there are those who spend hundreds of dollars on a-c power cords for
their audio systems that have been cryogenically treated to align the
copper crystals to avoid turbulence in the a-c power flowing through the
cord from the wall outlet.

The problem is that human perception determines satisfaction, and perception
is not always based on objective data.

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

I once wired a guy's $20K audio system with RG8.  He claimed it made all the
difference.  He also claimed that vinyl was vastly superior to CD's.  I told
him he had a wonderful imagination.  The very best and cleanest vinyl with a
radial tracking arm turntable and a top of the line cartridge could just
barely make a 40db s/n.  Digital audio can do 100db anytime.  Many years of
selling audio gear taught me about the psychology of hearing.  It takes an
experienced ear to appreciate a truly flat response. Most people prefer a
very unbalanced equalization.
I got lots of chuckles switching between a $300 system and a $3000 system
and having most people prefer the cheap setup.

Having designed loud speakers professionally (of which 1,000s were sold), I
am equipped with very refined and experienced hearing. Unless you were
listening to FM broadcast, how could you possibly appreciate a .3% THD?  I
always assumed anything less than 1% was more than adequate for our kind of
communications.  If we get down to this level of performance, we'll need to
work on the 50% or so of stations that only concern themselves with output
power - not audio quality.  There is a lot of dreadfully distorted signals
on 20 meter SSB.  Nothing beats working a station that is s9+20 and barely
understandable because he has compression and mic gain pushed up so he sees
1500 watts on his output meter all the time.

So, IMHO, the K3 has absolutely splendid audio when I have a chance to work
another station whose audio is actually adjusted correctly.  It amazes me
that most rigs today have a monitor function.  Must be the most unused
feature of all time.

73, Doug -- K0DXV


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[Elecraft] How do I change the bandmap on my KRC2?

2013-07-24 Thread Brian F. Wruble
Hi guys,

I have searched the reflector archives with no luck.

I have been able to modify the bandmap (on my PC) using the latest (rev.
2.17) KRC2 configuration utility, but I can't figure out how to write it to
the KRC2.  The utility is reading the KRC2, comes up with a message KRC-2
Firmware = version 1.6.

I created a Map 2, I can save it to the PC, I can write to KRC-2, and
it acts like it is writing,  but nothing I do seems to tell the KRC2 to use
Map2.  It always winds up with Map1.

Reading the manual suggests there are jumper changes I might need to make,
but the manual is pretty impenetrable to me.  Can someone explain?

Tnx.  73 de Brian W3BW

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Audio circuit distortion

2013-07-24 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A


The audio distortion of the K3...


One can laugh about this, but let us face it. There was a lot of 
laughter about the reported audio artifacts coming from the first few 
/thousand/ K3's. At first it was denied by many.
It took quite a while until people were convinced that it realy was a 
problem to the ears of a group of people.


And yes, finally there came a decent modification in hardware and 
software of the K3. That cleared the audio up and cured most of the 
problems.


The K3 is a good rig, not a perfect one.


73
Arie PA3A



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[Elecraft] FS Elecraft T-1 ATU w/FT-817 cable

2013-07-24 Thread Donald Drennon
Hello,
Selling because I got rid of my 817, so no need for this now since I got the 
KX-3.
http://www.elecraft.com/T1/T1.htm

Original packaging, unit factory assembled.

$195 shipped in continental US

Contact via email, please.

73,
Don
N4TZH

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[Elecraft] [K2] CAL FIL Temperature Sensitivity Question

2013-07-24 Thread John Oppenheimer
My K2 has a 100 Hz difference in CAL FIL frequencies between cold and
full warm up. The 100 Hz difference renders the 200 Hz BW unusable until
the K2 warms up.

Is this typical, or do I have a component with excessive temperature
instability?

John KN5L
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[Elecraft] KRC2 Configuration --- More

2013-07-24 Thread Brian F. Wruble
OK, After many tries, I got the configuration almost right.  Since the KRC2
has no 6 meter terminal, I have tried to assign 6 meters to any terminal I
am not using.

To be specific:

I have a 160/80/30 dipole.  I assign 160, 80 and 30 to the KRC2 80M slot.

I use my 40 meter beam for 40/17/12.  I assign 40/17/12 to the KRC2  40M
slot.

I have a tribander for 20/15/10.  I assign 20, 15 and 10 to the KRC2 20M
slot.

I have tried to assign 6M to 10M, 160M, 17M, 12M, XV1.  Every time, it
winds up attached to the 20M slot.

So, if I put the K3 band on 6M, the band decoder puts 12V on the 20M
terminal --- not what I want.

Yes, I have the switch in the DL position when i load, and in the OP
position when I test.


Tnx de Brian W3BW





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[Elecraft] K3 P3 Package - SOLD

2013-07-24 Thread John Dziedziejko
Thank you all who responded to my ad but the gear has been sold.

 

73's

 

John W9QP

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[Elecraft] K3 what transmit frequencies are blocked around 8.215 IF

2013-07-24 Thread Sam Morgan

I know the K3 will not transmit on frequencies around it's IF frequency.
What are the exact frequencies that are prevented from transmitting?

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Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 Configuration --- More

2013-07-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
Really 20m, not 10m?

On the K3, navigate to CONFIG:KRC2 and tap [1] until you see bnd6=b6.

How is the KRC2 getting band data from the K3? (AUXBUX? BCD? Serial?)

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Brian F. Wruble bwru...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, After many tries, I got the configuration almost right.  Since the KRC2
 has no 6 meter terminal, I have tried to assign 6 meters to any terminal I
 am not using.

 To be specific:

 I have a 160/80/30 dipole.  I assign 160, 80 and 30 to the KRC2 80M slot.

 I use my 40 meter beam for 40/17/12.  I assign 40/17/12 to the KRC2  40M
 slot.

 I have a tribander for 20/15/10.  I assign 20, 15 and 10 to the KRC2 20M
 slot.

 I have tried to assign 6M to 10M, 160M, 17M, 12M, XV1.  Every time, it
 winds up attached to the 20M slot.

 So, if I put the K3 band on 6M, the band decoder puts 12V on the 20M
 terminal --- not what I want.

 Yes, I have the switch in the DL position when i load, and in the OP
 position when I test.


 Tnx de Brian W3BW





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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: HIgh swr on 6m

2013-07-24 Thread GW0ETF
Thanks to all who replied. You fellas really make me feel stupid when you
remind me what important details I've forgotten to include like is the KAT3
included

Well yes, I do have the  KAT3 and with some help from Gary in Support I
found the IF trap on the board (L10/C10) was causing the high swr on 6m. No
obvious damage to the components but for now I've bypassed the trap as
recommended by Gary and all is well.

Thanks again...!

73,
Stewart, GW0ETF  



GW0ETF wrote
 Posted this to support but no reply yet, maybe on a well earned summer
 break?! Anyone here help?
 
 Thanks,
 Stewart, GW0ETF
 
 
 - Forwarded Message -
From: Stewart Rolfe lt;

 gw0etf@

 gt;
To: 

 k3support@

  lt;

 k3support@

 gt; 
Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013, 9:10
Subject: HIgh swr on 6m
 


Hi,


Just tried 6m for the first time on #145(!) and getting high swr into a
well matched antenna as well as a dummy load plugged directly into either
antenna socket; around 2.1/2.6:1 and high enough for tx calibration to fail.


All other bands fine so wondering if I should check the low pass filter?


73,
Stewart Rolfe, GW0ETF


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Power On Sequence

2013-07-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
You might try the 1.32 beta firmware. There have been some fixes
relating to firmware hangs.

http://www.elecraft.com/KPA500/kpa500_software.htm

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Larry Russell k5...@cox.net wrote:
 Is there a routine to be followed to power up the KPA500?  I recently added
 the KPA500 to

 my K3 to complete my K-Line. Sometimes when I punch the power on button of
 the KPA500

 nothing happens till I cycle the switch on the back of the AMP off and back
 on and then the

 front power on switch will work.   I've not seen anything on this in the
 Digest..

 If I power the Amp on first before the K3 it seems to work 8 out of 10 times
 but not 100%

 of the time.



 Is there a sequence I need to follow?



 Larry -  K5ZCJ

 k5...@cox.net

 K3 # 6592

 P3 # 2166

 KAT500 # 0655

 KPA500 # 1488



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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] CAL FIL Temperature Sensitivity Question

2013-07-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

The specified stability for the K2 is less than a 100 Hz drift from a 
cold start at 25 degC, so your K2 is within the specification (granted 
it is just on the border).  The drift will usually be worse for a K2 
with the KPA100 installed than a basic K2 because there is more heat 
generated in the enclosure and less air volume present to disperse it in..


That is a 'cure' --

Is the serial number of your K2 less than 3446?
That is when the PLL Temperature Stability change (Thermistor Mod) 
became available.


If you have a K2 below SN 3000 that has been upgraded, than that mod was 
likely installed with the upgrade.


Examine the K2 RF board toward the left side near the front - if there 
is a small board sitting vertically in the RP3 location, the mod has 
been installed.  You may have to remove the KDSP2 option to see it.


If your K2 does not have it, a kit to install that thermistor mod is 
available from Elecraft - PN E850138.


If you do have that mod installed, the installation instructions for 
that mod have guidelines for advanced builders about altering the value 
of RA to achieve better drift compensation for your K2.  You can 
download those instructions from

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PLL%20upgrade%20rev%20C.pdf.

Note that the information about altering the RA value does not appear in 
the K2 manual, and is intended only for those advanced builders who have 
good capability for properly measuring the drift that results after 
changing RA.  It may take some experimenting to find the right value for 
your K2..


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2013 11:59 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote:

My K2 has a 100 Hz difference in CAL FIL frequencies between cold and
full warm up. The 100 Hz difference renders the 200 Hz BW unusable until
the K2 warms up.

Is this typical, or do I have a component with excessive temperature
instability?

John KN5L



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 what transmit frequencies are blocked around 8.215 IF

2013-07-24 Thread Matt Zilmer
7.5 to 9.0 MHz is TX-blocked on the K3.



On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:24:07 -0500, you wrote:

I know the K3 will not transmit on frequencies around it's IF frequency.
What are the exact frequencies that are prevented from transmitting?
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] CAL FIL Temperature Sensitivity Question

2013-07-24 Thread John Oppenheimer
Hi Don,

My question is directed specifically at the CAL FIL BFO frequency being
100 Hz different between cold and warm. As mentioned, because the BFO
frequency is off by 100 Hz, the 200 HZ filter is unusable because a
properly received pitch will place the signal on the filter skirt.

This K2 serial number is above 7K

The test is: Multi hour warm up, enter CAL FIL, measure and record a
filter BFO frequency. Next morning, cold start, perform same measurement
as above and compare the difference between the two BFO readings.

John KN5L
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[Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Sam Morgan

(reference quote from Joe W4TV below)

while trying to set up my K3's SSB EQ in the way Joe had mentioned,
I happened on an interesting fact. What ever you set the SSB RX EQ for,
sets the TX DATA for (Data Audio) as well.

does this mean if I want to have a flat RX EQ when using Data Audio for WSJT-X 
which runs both JT65  JT9-1, I would need to reset the SSB EQ to flat for data? 
Then set it back like below when I want to go back to SSB?


Do we need another separate EQ setting for Data Audio in the software?
What am I missing here?

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K5OAI
Sam Morgan

Sun, 21 Jul 2013 18:13:31 -0700
Joe Subich, W4TV said:

quote
I'm convinced of that ... the vast majority of rigs I've tested over
the years have a low-pass roll off characteristic to their audio -
generally in the 3 to 6dB per octave range from about 5OO Hz up.
This can be simulated in the K3 by setting 400 Hz at 0, 800 at -3,
1600 at -6, 2400 at -8 and 3200 at -9 (3 dB per octave - double
for -6 dB per octave).  If one couples the 6 dB/octave roll off
with a bandwidth of 2.6 KHz (200 - 2800 Hz) there is very little
difference in the audio sound between the K3 and other mainline
rigs.

I prefer to keep my RX EQ flat from 400-2400 Hz, set 3200 at -16
and bring the bandwidth in to 2.4-2.6 KHz.  The flat setting at
2400 effectively provides a little intelligibility boost compared
to the other rigs for those times I have to use SSB.
/quote


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


TX EQ is automatically set to flat (as is RX EQ) in DATA modes.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/24/2013 1:59 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

(reference quote from Joe W4TV below)

while trying to set up my K3's SSB EQ in the way Joe had mentioned,
I happened on an interesting fact. What ever you set the SSB RX EQ for,
sets the TX DATA for (Data Audio) as well.

does this mean if I want to have a flat RX EQ when using Data Audio for
WSJT-X which runs both JT65  JT9-1, I would need to reset the SSB EQ to
flat for data? Then set it back like below when I want to go back to SSB?

Do we need another separate EQ setting for Data Audio in the software?
What am I missing here?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Sam Morgan

Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:04:08 -0700
Joe Subich, W4TV said:


 TX EQ is automatically set to flat (as is RX EQ) in DATA modes.

I knew that was suppose to be true for TX
But if you Tap [MENU] then RX EQ and then the numbers 1 - 8
you will see it say the settings match the ones you set for SSB.

well then on the other hand ..
the TX EQ also says what SSB TX EQ is set to.

So what you are telling me is to quit believing my lying eyes, hi hi.
The internal software is goofy and showing incorrect info to me?
Both TX  RX are set flat for *ALL* data modes, yes?

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K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 7/24/2013 12:59 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

(reference quote from Joe W4TV below)

while trying to set up my K3's SSB EQ in the way Joe had mentioned,
I happened on an interesting fact. What ever you set the SSB RX EQ for,
sets the TX DATA for (Data Audio) as well.

does this mean if I want to have a flat RX EQ when using Data Audio for WSJT-X
which runs both JT65  JT9-1, I would need to reset the SSB EQ to flat for data?
Then set it back like below when I want to go back to SSB?

Do we need another separate EQ setting for Data Audio in the software?
What am I missing here?



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


I'm telling you that the K3 sets TX EQ FLAT in DATA Modes.  I don't
have my K3 with me but that's the documented behavior and matches
what I've seen since the very beginning.

If you see anything other that FLAT in TX EQ when your are DATA A or
AFSK A, then your rig is not set up correctly.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/24/2013 2:21 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:04:08 -0700
Joe Subich, W4TV said:


  TX EQ is automatically set to flat (as is RX EQ) in DATA modes.
 
I knew that was suppose to be true for TX
But if you Tap [MENU] then RX EQ and then the numbers 1 - 8
you will see it say the settings match the ones you set for SSB.

well then on the other hand ..
the TX EQ also says what SSB TX EQ is set to.

So what you are telling me is to quit believing my lying eyes, hi hi.
The internal software is goofy and showing incorrect info to me?
Both TX  RX are set flat for *ALL* data modes, yes?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
If I try to adjust (with the VFO A knob) any of the sub-bands in
MAIN:TX EQ x (which are all flat) whilst in DATA A or AFSK A mode,
the VFO B line displays N/A. Curiously, though, when tapping the
number buttons, it does briefly display the SSB setting for that
sub-band, before the N/A covers it up. I suppose that there's a some
logic in the firmware that overrides the stored values when in data
modes.

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 I'm telling you that the K3 sets TX EQ FLAT in DATA Modes.  I don't
 have my K3 with me but that's the documented behavior and matches
 what I've seen since the very beginning.

 If you see anything other that FLAT in TX EQ when your are DATA A or
 AFSK A, then your rig is not set up correctly.

 73,

... Joe, W4TV



 On 7/24/2013 2:21 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:04:08 -0700
 Joe Subich, W4TV said:


   TX EQ is automatically set to flat (as is RX EQ) in DATA modes.
  
 I knew that was suppose to be true for TX
 But if you Tap [MENU] then RX EQ and then the numbers 1 - 8
 you will see it say the settings match the ones you set for SSB.

 well then on the other hand ..
 the TX EQ also says what SSB TX EQ is set to.

 So what you are telling me is to quit believing my lying eyes, hi hi.
 The internal software is goofy and showing incorrect info to me?
 Both TX  RX are set flat for *ALL* data modes, yes?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Sam Morgan

to clarify.
I do/did understand the TX EQ is set to flat for transmit for *ALL* data modes!

what I was still curious about was
if the RX EQ is also flat (and *NOT* user configurable) on *ALL* data modes

I finally found my answer in the fine manual on page 52:
Revision D10, August 24, 2011

==
RX EQ
Receiver audio graphic equalizer. VFO A is used as an 8-band bar graph, showing
boost or cut ( -16 dB to +16 dB in 1 dB increments) for each AF band. The 8 
bands
are 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, 1.6, 2.4 and 3.2 kHz. Tap 1 -8 to select an AF 
band. VFO

A selects boost/cut. Tap CLR to reset all bands to +0 dB.
CW RX EQ is separate from RX EQ for voice modes. Not applicable to DATA.
==

the last line answers my question. Not applicable to DATA

so when the mode is set to DATA TX
the RX EQ db level settings that I see in the display
*when* the 1-8 buttons are pushed, are incorrect .

in this case the flat line dashes
are the true representation of the RX EQ setting when in *ANY* Data mode

sorry for all the confusion folks.

topic closed please

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GB  73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 7/24/2013 1:21 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:04:08 -0700
Joe Subich, W4TV said:


  TX EQ is automatically set to flat (as is RX EQ) in DATA modes.
 
I knew that was suppose to be true for TX
But if you Tap [MENU] then RX EQ and then the numbers 1 - 8
you will see it say the settings match the ones you set for SSB.

well then on the other hand ..
the TX EQ also says what SSB TX EQ is set to.

So what you are telling me is to quit believing my lying eyes, hi hi.
The internal software is goofy and showing incorrect info to me?
Both TX  RX are set flat for *ALL* data modes, yes?




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX DATA EQ was Re: K3 RX AUDIO

2013-07-24 Thread Jim Brown

On 7/24/2013 10:59 AM, Sam Morgan wrote:


Do we need another separate EQ setting for Data Audio in the software? 


At the beta test stage for the K3, it was learned that the audio 
transformers, which are unshielded, can couple a strong magnetic field 
into the audio circuits (most often from a big power transformer located 
on a shelf above or below the K3). I experienced a mild case of this 
myself, and my neighbor, K6XX, now an engineer at Elecraft, had enough 
coupling that the K3 regenerated the field and locked in TX.


Wayne and I talked about this. My first recommendation was to ditch the 
transformers, which are completely un-necessary if all the gear in the 
station is properly bonded together. Probably for marketing reasons 
(because most hams are convinced that transformers are needed), Elecraft 
chose my second suggestion, which was to program the TXEQ to roll off 
the low end sharply, with a cutoff on the order of 250 Hz.  So, last I 
heard, that's what's in place for analog data modes.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] CAL FIL Temperature Sensitivity Question

2013-07-24 Thread John Oppenheimer
Performed another test today, last night I aligned 200 Hz CW normal to
04913.08, First power up this afternoon 04913.21, after one hour warm up
(no transmitting) 04913.10.

John KN5L

On 07/24/2013 12:39 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote:
 Hi Don,
 
 My question is directed specifically at the CAL FIL BFO frequency being
 100 Hz different between cold and warm. As mentioned, because the BFO
 frequency is off by 100 Hz, the 200 HZ filter is unusable because a
 properly received pitch will place the signal on the filter skirt.
 
 This K2 serial number is above 7K
 
 The test is: Multi hour warm up, enter CAL FIL, measure and record a
 filter BFO frequency. Next morning, cold start, perform same measurement
 as above and compare the difference between the two BFO readings.
 
 John KN5L
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[Elecraft] Help. K2 noise level variation with band selected

2013-07-24 Thread Ray Collins
I have noticed that as I change frequency bands on my K2 in SSB mode, the audio 
noise level changes in frequency content.  On the five lower bands (3.5 to 18.2 
MHz), the noise sounds typical for a 2.2 KHz audio bandwidth but on the three 
higher bands (21.0 to 28.8 MHz) it is predominantly high frequency with greatly 
reduced low frequency content.

The appropriate sideband is correctly selected for each band, receiver 
sensitivity appears to be well within specification on all bands and the set 
works perfectly in all other respects.  Could the band pass filters for the top 
three bands require adjustment?  If anyone can explain why this is happening 
and suggest a fix (if one is actually necessary), it would be greatly 
appreciated


Thanks for your help,

Ray  
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Re: [Elecraft] Help. K2 noise level variation with band selected

2013-07-24 Thread John Oppenheimer
Hi Ray,

I believe that your observation is normal. I performed a fresh CAL FIL
alignment on the two SSB modes, and tried your test, I get similar results.

When on 21 MHz, USB has lower frequency noise, LSB has higher frequency
noise.

John KN5L
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Erratic SSB Power Output (G8DX)

2013-07-24 Thread Roger Crofts
I had a look at Jack's video showing the power fluctuations. They are quite 
rapid and continuous.
If they stay like that, it will be a big help in tracking down the problem. The 
tx signal can be traced
through the various stages with an oscilloscope to find where the steady signal 
begins the fluctuations.
In my case, the darn fault would always disappear just when I was ready to 
start!
However there are a few simple tests to do, before taking the covers off.

Turn the power down to 12 watts or less. Do the fluctuations disappear? If so, 
problem is in the 100watt 
Amp. If not, 100watt Amp is eliminated.

Are the fluctuations present at the transverter output? I have the 2meter 
transverter installed. So in my
case, I only needed to look at the 2 meter output. If fluctuations are here, 
then the LPA board can be
eliminated.

There is also a method to look at the tx signal on the P3. It is described in 
the manual. Are the fluctuations
present at this intermediate point?

I do understand your frustration, Jack. There was a point when I was about to 
chuck my K3 in the trash.
I'm glad I persevered and now I have a superb radio.

73
Roger, VK4YB
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Re: [Elecraft] Help. K2 noise level variation with band selected

2013-07-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ray,

You would have to use a noise generator for a proper test - the 
atmospheric noise varies from band to band and from antenna to antenna.


On the bands above 17 meters, the K2 local oscillator uses low side 
injection as opposed to high side injection on 17 meters and below.
That means that the audio passband for 15m USB (and 12 and 10 meters 
should be the same as LSB on bands below 15 meters.  There will be no 
difference.


If you have doubts, use a wideband noise generator (Elecraft N-Gen) and 
look at the audio passband on an audio spectrum analyzer (like 
Spectrogram or SpectrumLab) and you should see the same audio passband 
shape on 40 meter LSB as you do on 15 meter USB.


The bandpass filters are not likely to make a lot of difference unless 
they are severely mis-tuned.  For the best response from the bandpass 
filters, tune them in transmit mode for peak output at 100 kHz above the 
low frequency end of the band for 40 through 12 meters, on 10 meters 
tune them at 26.400 MHz and for 80 use 3750 kHz and if you have 160 
meters, start at 1850 kHz and you may have to find a compromise setting 
between 160 and 80 meters since the inductors are shared and the 
capacitor are fixed (but that bandpass is quite broadbanded abd that 
compromise works just fine).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2013 6:05 PM, Ray Collins wrote:

I have noticed that as I change frequency bands on my K2 in SSB mode, the audio 
noise level changes in frequency content.  On the five lower bands (3.5 to 18.2 
MHz), the noise sounds typical for a 2.2 KHz audio bandwidth but on the three 
higher bands (21.0 to 28.8 MHz) it is predominantly high frequency with greatly 
reduced low frequency content.

The appropriate sideband is correctly selected for each band, receiver 
sensitivity appears to be well within specification on all bands and the set 
works perfectly in all other respects.  Could the band pass filters for the top 
three bands require adjustment?  If anyone can explain why this is happening 
and suggest a fix (if one is actually necessary), it would be greatly 
appreciated





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Re: [Elecraft] Help. K2 noise level variation with band selected

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)

Hi Ray and John,

KSB2 manual page 22:
Note: The BFO settings for LSB and USB are swapped on 15, 12 and 10 
meters due to the K2's frequency
mixing scheme. If you use 17 m or below for making BFO changes, the 
following rules apply:
LSB: moving the LSB BFO lower in frequency will raise the voice pitch 
and improve carrier rejection.
USB: moving the USB BFO higher in frequency will raise the voice pitch 
and improve carrier rejection.


That's the reason for what you observe.

73,
Peter - PA0PJE

John Oppenheimer schreef:

Hi Ray,

I believe that your observation is normal. I performed a fresh CAL FIL
alignment on the two SSB modes, and tried your test, I get similar results.

When on 21 MHz, USB has lower frequency noise, LSB has higher frequency
noise.

John KN5L
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Re: [Elecraft] Help. K2 noise level variation with band selected

2013-07-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

You will likely notice the opposite difference between LSB and USB on 
bands lower than 21 MHz.
You may not have the SSB filters aligned correctly.  It is almost 
impossible to get the SSB filters aligned for best results using the by 
the numbers method used in the manual (although those numbers will 
produce workable filters.  The crystal centers marked on the crystal 
envelope for the K2 and KSB2 are marked to the nearest 100 Hz while the 
crystals themselves are matched to the nearest 10 Hz to create a crystal 
set.  That means that the numbers in the manual may be off by as much as 
90 Hz.  Refining that would take too much detail in the manual and might 
just confuse builders.


There is a solution beyond the manual --

To refine the filters Both SSB and CW as well as RTTY if you want to add 
data modes), use a wideband noise generator (Elecraft N-Gen) and observe 
the passband setting(s) with an audio spectrum analyzer such as 
Spectrogram or Spectrum Lab.


Part 3 of the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website www.w3fpr.com 
has information that may be helpful to you.  If you need Spectrogram, 
look for the links near the bottom of the home page.


My experience in repairing and aligning K2s is that most all K2s that 
come onto my workbench need refinement in the filter settings. I have 
had many unsolicited comments about the improvement in the SSB audio 
Both for RX and TX) after I align those filters properly. Place the -3dB 
point of the low frequency slope for the SSB filters at 300 Hz and they 
will work great.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2013 6:27 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote:

Hi Ray,

I believe that your observation is normal. I performed a fresh CAL FIL
alignment on the two SSB modes, and tried your test, I get similar results.

When on 21 MHz, USB has lower frequency noise, LSB has higher frequency
noise.



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[Elecraft] K3 - missing 40m ?

2013-07-24 Thread ku2c





Today 40 meters has disappeared from the band UP and Down sequence on my K3 
(#7306), it works fine with direct frequency entry or from laptop software. In 
other words it skips 40m and goes from 30m to 60m and vice versa when stepping 
thru the bands. 


Any ideas ? 


Pete 



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[Elecraft] OT OH2BUA down?

2013-07-24 Thread Robert G Strickland

Is this site down as of 0010Z?
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Syracuse, New York, USA
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[Elecraft] KX1, ATU, and output power

2013-07-24 Thread Peter N. Spotts

Hi folks,

Should the ATU affect output power from the KX1? If not, here's my 
conundrum:


After finishing the 80-30 mod, the power output seemed a bit low. As per 
the instructions, I adjusted turn spacing on one of the two toroids on 
the new filter board and achieved 4 watts out on 80m and 30m, and 3 
watts out on 40 and 20 at 14 vdc.


I reinstalled the ATU, buttoned up the case. With the radio running into 
a 50-ohm dummy load, and with ATU engaged, I got about 1.5 watts on 80m, 
around 3 watts on 40m, 4 watts on 30m, and about 2.5 on 20m. These 
readings came from the internal watt meter, as well as an outboard 
NorCal wattmeter.


I opened the case again, pulled the ATU, tweaked winding spacing, left 
the ATU out of the package, and the power levels returned to the 
original 4/3/4/3. I plugged the ATU back in and the same reduction in 
power out resulted.


On inspecting the boards, it didn't look as though the ATU was 
physically impinging on the new filter board. And with the ATU attached, 
but with both boards out of the case, I was able to tweak windings to 
get the 4/3/4/3 output again...until the boards went back into the case. 
Then it was back to 1.5/3/4/2.5ish.


What could be altering the output? The only thing I could think of was 
that the toroids might be wound a bit tight, so that when tweaking the 
spacing between windings, the windings basically slide back into more or 
less the original positions in about the time it takes to close the 
case. Yeah, it's a reach, but it's all I've got at the moment.


Any thoughts/suggestions? I can try operating without the ATU and use my 
outboard tuner. But I figured as long as I've got the tuner, I'd like to 
use it.


With best regards,

Pete

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - missing 40m ?

2013-07-24 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
Go to CONFIG:BND MAP. Use the Band up/down buttons to select 7.0.
Rotate VFO A until you see In.

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM,  k...@comcast.net wrote:





 Today 40 meters has disappeared from the band UP and Down sequence on my K3 
 (#7306), it works fine with direct frequency entry or from laptop software. 
 In other words it skips 40m and goes from 30m to 60m and vice versa when 
 stepping thru the bands.


 Any ideas ?


 Pete



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - missing 40m ?

2013-07-24 Thread ku2c



Thanks Ian, Greg, Sam and Bill 


You guys are good and fast - that was the issue ! MNI TNX 


Pete // KU2C 




- Original Message -
From: iain macdonnell - N6ML a...@dseven.org 
To: k...@comcast.net 
Cc: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:15:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - missing 40m ? 

Go to CONFIG:BND MAP. Use the Band up/down buttons to select 7.0. 
Rotate VFO A until you see In. 

73, 

~iain / N6ML 


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM, k...@comcast.net wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
 Today 40 meters has disappeared from the band UP and Down sequence on my K3 
 (#7306), it works fine with direct frequency entry or from laptop software. 
 In other words it skips 40m and goes from 30m to 60m and vice versa when 
 stepping thru the bands. 
 
 
 Any ideas ? 
 
 
 Pete 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX1, ATU, and output power

2013-07-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

Pete,

Any tuner will have losses, but they should be minimal, yours are drastic.

Are you evaluating the power output with the ATU in CAL mode? -- it 
should be

Are the powers you reported working into a dummy load? -- it should be.

If those two conditions are met, I suspect that you have some problem 
because the L and C components should be bypassed by the relays.  I 
would look for a problem in the relays (usually a soldering problem).


If you are getting those results by tuning into an antenna, then I would 
suspect the antenna and conclude that the KXAT1 is not capable of tuning 
into the range of impedance presented by the antenna.
The KXAT1 is optimized to use the antenna depicted on page 10 of the 
KXAT1 manual (and that does not include 80 meters)


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2013 8:14 PM, Peter N. Spotts wrote:

Hi folks,

Should the ATU affect output power from the KX1? If not, here's my 
conundrum:


After finishing the 80-30 mod, the power output seemed a bit low. As 
per the instructions, I adjusted turn spacing on one of the two 
toroids on the new filter board and achieved 4 watts out on 80m and 
30m, and 3 watts out on 40 and 20 at 14 vdc.


I reinstalled the ATU, buttoned up the case. With the radio running 
into a 50-ohm dummy load, and with ATU engaged, I got about 1.5 watts 
on 80m, around 3 watts on 40m, 4 watts on 30m, and about 2.5 on 20m. 
These readings came from the internal watt meter, as well as an 
outboard NorCal wattmeter.


I opened the case again, pulled the ATU, tweaked winding spacing, left 
the ATU out of the package, and the power levels returned to the 
original 4/3/4/3. I plugged the ATU back in and the same reduction in 
power out resulted.


On inspecting the boards, it didn't look as though the ATU was 
physically impinging on the new filter board. And with the ATU 
attached, but with both boards out of the case, I was able to tweak 
windings to get the 4/3/4/3 output again...until the boards went back 
into the case. Then it was back to 1.5/3/4/2.5ish.


What could be altering the output? The only thing I could think of was 
that the toroids might be wound a bit tight, so that when tweaking the 
spacing between windings, the windings basically slide back into more 
or less the original positions in about the time it takes to close the 
case. Yeah, it's a reach, but it's all I've got at the moment.


Any thoughts/suggestions? I can try operating without the ATU and use 
my outboard tuner. But I figured as long as I've got the tuner, I'd 
like to use it.


With best regards,

Pete



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[Elecraft] FW: KRC2 Configuration --- More

2013-07-24 Thread Cady, Fred


-Original Message-
From: Cady, Fred
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:50 PM
To: 'bwru...@gmail.com'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KRC2 Configuration --- More

Brian,
The issue is in the K3. You need to go into the K3 KRC2 menu and tap 1 to set 
BAND6=B6. It will then put out the 1010 6m code when on 6. Otherwise it puts 
out the 10 meter code. I got hung up on that too!
Cheers,
Fred KE7X

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
 boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian F. Wruble
 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:03 AM
 To: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 Configuration --- More

 OK, After many tries, I got the configuration almost right.  Since the
 KRC2
 has no 6 meter terminal, I have tried to assign 6 meters to any
 terminal I
 am not using.

 To be specific:

 I have a 160/80/30 dipole.  I assign 160, 80 and 30 to the KRC2 80M
 slot.

 I use my 40 meter beam for 40/17/12.  I assign 40/17/12 to the KRC2
 40M
 slot.

 I have a tribander for 20/15/10.  I assign 20, 15 and 10 to the KRC2
 20M
 slot.

 I have tried to assign 6M to 10M, 160M, 17M, 12M, XV1.  Every time, it
 winds up attached to the 20M slot.

 So, if I put the K3 band on 6M, the band decoder puts 12V on the 20M
 terminal --- not what I want.

 Yes, I have the switch in the DL position when i load, and in the
 OP
 position when I test.


 Tnx de Brian W3BW





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