Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Jim Brown]

Bill,

Look at k9yc.com/7QP.pdf to see what W6GJB did to temporarily mount a 
KX3 with PX3 in his pickup.  One of my Chicago buddies, K9IKZ, was able 
to fit his KX3 beautifully into an opening in the console of his Audi. 
I've seen a picture, but can't find it.


73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,8/28/2016 8:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
I have been looking at rigs for HF mobile. Not having 6 meters is 
annoying. The smaller size is wonderful. 



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3

[Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft]

>David stated (repeatedly) that RX I/Q was suppressed on the KX2 ... not to


reduce cost, size or weight, but rather to create "product differentiation"
(his words) with the K3 and KX3.  In other words (my words), Elecraft didn't
want to make the same "mistake" with the KX2 that it made with the KX3.

Forced product differentiation is rarely ever done well. Is the implication 
that if the KX3 were intentionally crippled so it were substantially less 
effective than a K3, many Elecraft customers would buy both? I know I certainly 
wouldn't have. I wouldn't have bought a K3 or any other similarly sized 
transceiver for home. My home station upstream of the coax is disassembled and 
packed/locked up after most operating sessions. Furthermore, if the KX3 were 
less effective, I may not have paid the premium for it (twice) for portable use 
either. I bought the KX3 precisely because its combination of features made it 
a superior choice for both my home and portable use. If Elecraft never existed, 
I'd probably have been happy enough--ignorance is bliss--with my FT-857D and 
its successors. 
>Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose
RX I/Q on the KX2.  

I'm conflicted on this. With no RX I/Q, I'm not tempted to buy one. My wife 
already thinks I've bought too many expensive R2D2s... 

73, Ryan AI6DO   
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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Bob Nielsen]

The KDSP2 came out in the early 2000s. KK7P reverse-engineered the KAF2 
interface on his K2 prior to Elecraft's involvement, although Wayne 
later became a field tester.


73, Bob N7XY (former KDSP2 field tester)

On 8/28/16 6:07 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then
would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years
later in 2016.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick 
wrote:


Hi Jim,
The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts.

73,
Mark Musick, WB9CIF

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Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2

On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with
DSP!"

Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories.  When
you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory.

In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued."

Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable?

73 Jim Allen W6OGC
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[Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

> For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig
> at the home QTH, which features (unique to the
> KX3 as compared to the KX2) are critical? 

Hajo (DL1SDZ) wrote,

The Px3, the rest is nice to have.

Ryan (AI6DO) wrote,

I find the PX3 panadapter to be indispensible
in both environments (both in the shack and in
the field), so the lack of RX I/Q outputs is the
KX2's biggest shortcoming to me.  

Thank you, Hajo and Ryan.  I think you're absolutely correct.

I attended David Shoaf’s "Shrinking the HF Transceiver" presentation at
Ham-Com in Irving, Texas this year.  David is in charge of international
distribution and customer support at Elecraft.  As part of his presentation,
David shared that Elecraft was (unpleasantly) surprised by the high
percentage of KX3's being used as base stations, in many cases, serving as
the operator's one and only one HF rig.  In other words, operators were
buying KX3's in lieu of, rather than in addition to, K3's.

David stated (repeatedly) that RX I/Q was suppressed on the KX2 ... not to
reduce cost, size or weight, but rather to create "product differentiation"
(his words) with the K3 and KX3.  In other words (my words), Elecraft didn't
want to make the same "mistake" with the KX2 that it made with the KX3.

I was able to play with a KX2 at Ham-Com.  What a blast.  I'm anxious to
purchase a KX2.  However, I’d feel cheated purchasing a KX2 knowing RX I/Q
was unnecessarily suppressed (at least from an engineering perspective). 
I’d like Elecraft to offer a KXIQ2 (an alternative to the KXIO2), replacing
the AUX output of the KXIO2 with an RX I/Q output.

Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose
RX I/Q on the KX2.  This will enable the KX2 to be used with a PX3 for
backyard / picnic table portable operation, travel, ... and, of course, in
using the KX2 as a base station at the home QTH.  For hand-held, pedestrian
mobile and ultralight backpacking, I'll leave the PX3 at home and disable
the RX I/Q output in order to save the 10 - 15 mA receive-mode current
drain. 

Joe Stone
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Bill Frantz]

I have been looking at rigs for HF mobile. Not having 6 meters 
is annoying. The smaller size is wonderful.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 8/28/16 at 10:32 AM, kf5...@wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone 
(KF5WBO)) wrote:



What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2?  I'm
not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison.


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[Elecraft] KDSP2

[Dauer, Edward]

When I heard that the KDSP2 was being discontinued I ordered a second K2 with 
all the accessories – KAT2, KPA100, KNB2, KAF2, etc.  There just isn’t any 
other real build-it-yourself transceiver in the market today.  The Sienna 
revision, apparently, is still in prototype.

The K2 kits are now in my basement closet.  The question – should I build it?  
Or save it . . .   

Consider – how much would a never-opened-box be worth today for a DX-100B kit?  
(Shipping weight at the time was 107 pounds, in case that’s of interest.)

Let’s see – the DX-100B came out in more or less 1960.  That’s 56 years ago.  
In 2072 I’d be 128.  Will Richard at Elecraft Parts still be able to provide 
whatever might be missing from the K2 parts list for whoever owns the box then?

Ted, KN1CBR





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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:07:21 -0400
From: Guy Olinger K2AV 
To: "Mark E. Musick" 
Cc: Jim Allen , Elecraft Reflector

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then
would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years
later in 2016.

73, Guy.

 

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[Elecraft] K3timewin Program

[AL7CR]

Can anyone provide a working link to and/or a copy of the K3timewin
program?  Yes, I KNOW you can set the time from the K3utils program.  I
want to experiment with running this program on a schedule and can not
find a copy.

BTW a hundred "the clock does not keep time" messages ago it was noted,
without comment, that pushing DISP twice will cause the clock to jump
several seconds to near the correct time.  My new K3S evidences this
behavior.  It will lose time quickly after transmit and "regain" the
correct time in this manner.  There appears to be some syncing of the
display in the operating system that is a bit funky.
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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

>> Re:  "...Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set." 
>
> Back in early 2013, there was some discussion on the
> Yahoo Group about doing something like that either
> through the Utility, or even a menu entry with "factor"
> that could be adjusted by the user.  It never went a
> anywhere because most of us just learned to ignore
> the clock, or be sure to reset the clock when we are
> setting up a site.

This was implemented with the KX2, "RTC ADJ".  Any feedback from KX2 owner's
who purchased the KX2 / KXIO2 Real Time Clock?

> If the KX3 clock isn’t stable with temperature, it isn’t worth bothering.

The accuracy of RTC IC's (e.g., DS3231) are typically measured in seconds
per year (+/-2 ppm) across a broad range of temperatures (e.g., 32°F to
104°F).  The KX3 / KXBC3 uses a PIC microcontroller to keep time, not a RTC
IC.

The KX2 manual states, "Monitor your clock's accuracy over 24 hours,
preferably at your typical ambient operating temperature."  I'm not sure
there's such a thing as a "typical ambient operating temperature" for a
portable rig like the KX2 and KX3.

Joe
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[Elecraft] K1 low power cabin radio

[KC6CNN]

We have a off grid cabin that has a small solar system.  
When either myself or my daughter are up there, you have to go to the gate
or highest point to get cell service. So since my daughter is a ham although
she is learning code we wanted a way to communicate with each other when she
is there. Here is the K1 with fixed audio mod and a K42. 
Here is the link to see it work. 
https://youtu.be/wjwL5Vpx7a4

73 Gerald 



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K1 # 0014
K2 # 5486
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft]

>For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the home QTH, which 
>features (unique to the KX3) are critical?
A pair of KX3s are my primary rigs, both in the shack and in the field. I find 
the PX3 panadapter to be indispensible in both environments, so the lack of RX 
I/Q outputs is the KX2's biggest shortcoming to me. 

73, Ryan AI6DO

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[Elecraft] KDSP2

[Johnny Siu via Elecraft]

Hello Phil,
Very well respected and I did read similar favorable comments about KDSP2 like 
yours in the past. The best part of this mail listing is that we are used to 
agree to 'disagree'.
My K2 was gone some time and replaced by K3 and KX3.  Now, I am keeping a close 
eye on the Icom new IC7610 SDR which I saw in Tokyo ham fair 2016.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

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 傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:36 AM
 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2
   
Au Contraire in my case, Johnny.  I've found the 
KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 
in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig.

The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings 
right. That was tricky and probably took me a year 
or two of experimentation. But now it works very 
well for me and I find the NR very effective.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote:
> I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2.  In my case, I do not feel 
> any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much 
> lower cost.  While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can 
> manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result.  The 
> artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3.
> IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did 
> not try the KX2).  KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any 
> selectivity like the DSP in K3
> KAF2 in the used market is really cheap.  Adding the KAF2 will not cost much 
> but at least give you some listening comfort.  With some careful choices of R 
> and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet 
> spot even for SSB.
> 73
> Johnny VR2XMC
   
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[Elecraft] **WANTED Elecraft kx3 or kx2 ****

[Enzo Greco]

Hi Guys,

 

Looking for a Elecraft Kx2 or Kx3 let me know what options and price shipped
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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[JOE]

The W2 wattmeter is connected to an RS-232 port onan  Avocent ESP-4 
Serial Hub at the remote location.  This eliminates the need for a 
computer at the remote site.


73, Joe, K1ike

On 8/28/2016 9:33 PM, Mike va3mw wrote:

Correct, but you do need the initial first com port to connect the W2 to the 
computer. Then you can do a client / server connection over IP.

I've been doing it for years.

Mike va3mw


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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Wes Stewart]

In my last job before retirement I was supervising a group of folks in a 
components engineering department at Raytheon.  A good number of them worked on 
nothing but obsolete parts issues.  When the latest and greatest parts are 
obsolete in a year or so and you have missile products that require support for 
at least 10 years (there are probably TOW Missiles in inventory that I worked on 
in 1966) you have a real problem.


This was especially true when suppliers issued End Of Life notices and the bean 
counters in Procurement were aghast at the idea of lifetime buys and inventories.




On 8/28/2016 3:03 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote:

Hi Jim,
The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts.

73,
Mark Musick, WB9CIF



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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Phil Wheeler]

Au Contraire in my case, Johnny.  I've found the 
KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 
in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig.


The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings 
right. That was tricky and probably took me a year 
or two of experimentation. But now it works very 
well for me and I find the NR very effective.


73, Phil W7OX

On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote:

I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2.  In my case, I do not feel any 
usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower 
cost.  While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, 
regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result.  The artifacts from 
the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3.
IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did 
not try the KX2).  KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any 
selectivity like the DSP in K3
KAF2 in the used market is really cheap.  Adding the KAF2 will not cost much 
but at least give you some listening comfort.  With some careful choices of R 
and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot 
even for SSB.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

   寄件人︰ Guy Olinger K2AV 
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副本(CC)︰ Elecraft Reflector ; Jim Allen 

  傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:07 AM
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The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then

would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years
later in 2016.

73, Guy.


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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[Mike va3mw]

Correct, but you do need the initial first com port to connect the W2 to the 
computer. Then you can do a client / server connection over IP. 

I've been doing it for years. 

Mike va3mw

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:25 PM, JOE  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> The software has the capability of connecting to a com port as you described, 
> but it also can be set up as a client.  In the client configuration it does 
> not use the com port.  I'm using it in the client configuration.
> 
> 73, Joe, k1ike
> 
>> On 8/28/2016 9:04 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Pardon me.  It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in
>> your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which
>> is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port.
>> 
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ
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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[JOE]

Hi Bill,

The software has the capability of connecting to a com port as you 
described, but it also can be set up as a client.  In the client 
configuration it does not use the com port.  I'm using it in the client 
configuration.


73, Joe, k1ike

On 8/28/2016 9:04 PM, Bill wrote:

Pardon me.  It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in
your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which
is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port.

Bill
K9YEQ


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[Elecraft] KDSP2

[Johnny Siu via Elecraft]

I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2.  In my case, I do not feel any 
usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower 
cost.  While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, 
regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result.  The artifacts from 
the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3.
IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did 
not try the KX2).  KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any 
selectivity like the DSP in K3
KAF2 in the used market is really cheap.  Adding the KAF2 will not cost much 
but at least give you some listening comfort.  With some careful choices of R 
and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot 
even for SSB.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

  寄件人︰ Guy Olinger K2AV 
 收件人︰ Mark E. Musick  
副本(CC)︰ Elecraft Reflector ; Jim Allen 

 傳送日期︰ 2016年08月29日 (週一) 9:07 AM
 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2
   
The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then
would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years
later in 2016.

73, Guy.


   
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer)

[Bill]

Brian, as I recall after extensive field testing and from experience, losing
power can cause issues with the current required state.  I would suggest
using a battery backup for critical components.  I use a Rig Runner device
to keep a marine battery charged and a power supply for just such issues.
Good luck.

Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian
D. Comer
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:09 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer)

Expanding my problem a little more. I have a remote that uses a KAT500 that
is now 3000 miles away. The KAT500 was calibrated to use the correct antenna
over all bands 160 to 6 meters at the specified increments (10 KHz 160 etc
and 20 KHz for the higher bands) For an unknown reason the KAT 500 has
switched to antenna 2 (160 and 80) for all frequencies. Unfortunately  I did
not connect the USB cable because I could not see recalibrating the kAT500
remotely . The remote is now shut down until I can persuade my daughter who
lives 60 miles from the station to add a USB cable I will have to have
shipped to her.

 

73 Brian KF6C

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer)

[Brian D. Comer]

Expanding my problem a little more. I have a remote that uses a KAT500 that
is now 3000 miles away. The KAT500 was calibrated to use the correct antenna
over all bands 160 to 6 meters at the specified increments (10 KHz 160 etc
and 20 KHz for the higher bands) For an unknown reason the KAT 500 has
switched to antenna 2 (160 and 80) for all frequencies. Unfortunately  I did
not connect the USB cable because I could not see recalibrating the kAT500
remotely . The remote is now shut down until I can persuade my daughter who
lives 60 miles from the station to add a USB cable I will have to have
shipped to her.

 

73 Brian KF6C

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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then
would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years
later in 2016.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick 
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts.
>
> 73,
> Mark Musick, WB9CIF
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Allen
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2
>
> On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with
> DSP!"
>
> Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories.  When
> you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory.
>
> In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued."
>
> Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable?
>
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[Bill]

Pardon me.  It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in
your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which
is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port.  

Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: JOE [mailto:k1...@snet.net] 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:51 PM
To: Bill ; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

No computer com ports are used in this application, as it is an IP
connection.

Joe

On 8/28/2016 2:04 PM, Bill wrote:
> Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port.
>

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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[JOE]

No computer com ports are used in this application, as it is an IP 
connection.


Joe

On 8/28/2016 2:04 PM, Bill wrote:

Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port.



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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[JOE]

Hello John,

We have a remote station that is 10 miles from my house.  I use 
Remoterig to link a TS480SAT from my house to the remote site. There is 
also a 600 watt amplifier at the site, so I am using the W2 wattmeter to 
monitor the output and VSWR at the remote location.  The Elecraft W2 
Interface software is loaded on my computer at my house and is used as a 
client to talk to the remote site.  No com port is involved on the local 
computer.  At the site I have a device called an Avocent ESP-4 Serial 
Hub.  This is connected to the LAN at the site and provides 4 com ports 
for various pieces of equipment.  All was working well, except for the 
fact that I had to occasionally power cycle the W2 wattmeter to get it 
to connect.  I built a small circuit that powers up the W2 wattmeter 
when the DTR goes high when the software connects.  The OS in the 
computer and the W2 software has not changed.


It's almost as if the Elecraft W2 Interface software has stopped 
functioning for some reason.


Joe

On 8/28/2016 12:45 PM, John wrote:

Hi Joe,

I'd not realised until now that you can do this with the W2, but I'm looking
to set mine up to test this now for you!

I assume you have the same W2 software running at both ends? It looks to me
that the network function simply bridges the software at both sides, based
on the manual.

When you say you are connecting to the remote W2, where are you doing this?
>From the 'client' machine? From the 'server' machine connected to the W2? If
from the 'client', what exact settings are you using?

You've not got anything like Windows Firewall running on either end, have
you? Have any updates been done on either PC? What OSs are you working with?

73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JOE
Sent: 28 August 2016 16:59
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

Hello to All,

I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2
Interface software available on the website using an internet connection.
The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18  The
error is "Looking for a W2 on Network".

I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped.  Using Putty
communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with
V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using
a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine.  I'm
using the factory cable that did work in the past.

The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client,
and the server IP and port that worked with Putty.

This has me stumped.  It has to be something simple that I am missing.

73, Joe, K1ike
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Bill]

Better to have a radio you can update, or that has updates instead of being
stuck with workarounds.  All SDR systems are on the "fly" so to speak.  I'd
rather own an upgradable radio where there are programmers acutally working
on updates.

Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes
Stewart
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:29 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

And my factory-built K3S.  Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-)
To Elecraft's credit they almost always* fix it in due time.  (I keep a
spare radio on hand just in case)

* still waiting for that VOX/AntiVOX gain setting by mode.

As I write CY9C's RTTY signal is breaking up on the beginning of each
transmission. I'm guessing a VOX issue.



On 8/28/2016 11:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> ... N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, ...
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable

[Bill Conkling]

The cable pictured has a TRRS 3.5 mm plug, not the TRS as on the real thing.

id skip it  





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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  "...Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set."

Back in early 2013, there was some discussion on the Yahoo Group about doing 
something like that either through the Utility, or even a menu entry with 
"factor" that could be adjusted by the user.  It never went a anywhere because 
most of us just learned to ignore the clock, or be sure to reset the clock when 
we are setting up a site.

As I recall, Wayne's KX3 was far more accurate than some of ours, and he was a 
bit surprised.  Mine was one of the worst ones, but it has either gotten better 
in that 3 year period, or I am more tolerant now than I was then.  I think it 
is the latter since retirement has helped me stop worrying about such little 
things.

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

It'd draw power and make the radio bigger.

On 8/28/2016 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Wes Stewart]

And my factory-built K3S.  Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-)  To 
Elecraft's credit they almost always* fix it in due time.  (I keep a spare radio 
on hand just in case)


* still waiting for that VOX/AntiVOX gain setting by mode.

As I write CY9C's RTTY signal is breaking up on the beginning of each 
transmission. I'm guessing a VOX issue.




On 8/28/2016 11:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

... N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, ...
73, Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Walter Underwood]

Sometime around 1990, Unix added the adjtime(2) system call. This allowed 
changing the frequency of the system clock, typically by adjusting how many 
wall-time ticks were added per hardware clock tick. If the clock was stable but 
off frequency, progressive adjustments (compared to a reference clock) would 
get it very close to the right frequency. This is pretty much always done with 
NTP, the Network Time Protocol. 

If the KX3 clock is stable and is adjustable, the KX3 Utility could do this. 
Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set.

If the KX3 clock isn’t stable with temperature, it isn’t worth bothering.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wun...@wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> I don't know either, but need accurate time on my computer to use the various 
> WSJT modes. For about four years, I've used a freeware Windoze utility called 
> NetTime. www.timesynctool.com  There are several other such programs in 
> common use.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> On Sun,8/28/2016 4:02 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and UTC time. GPS 
>> time does not include the recent leap seconds. The GPS message includes the 
>> current difference between GPS time and UTC. I don't know which time the JT 
>> modes use, probably UTC.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Jim Brown]

I don't know either, but need accurate time on my computer to use the 
various WSJT modes. For about four years, I've used a freeware Windoze 
utility called NetTime. www.timesynctool.com  There are several other 
such programs in common use.


73, Jim K9YC


On Sun,8/28/2016 4:02 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and UTC 
time. GPS time does not include the recent leap seconds. The GPS 
message includes the current difference between GPS time and UTC. I 
don't know which time the JT modes use, probably UTC.



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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Bill Frantz]

There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and 
UTC time. GPS time does not include the recent leap seconds. The 
GPS message includes the current difference between GPS time and 
UTC. I don't know which time the JT modes use, probably UTC.


See: 
, 
and . For an idea 
of how complex the idea of time really is, see .



The ideal programs to have automatically update the K3(S) and 
KX3 clocks would be logging programs and utilities that are 
running "all the time". RUMlogNG, N2MM, Win4K3Suite, etc.



When I built my BeagleBone Box, a low power computer using a 
BeagleBone system board, I had to add a real-time clock. I chose 
a high precision one, the ChronoDot - Ultra-precise Real Time 
Clock (v2.1) from Adafruit part# 255 = $17.50. I wanted 
precision in case I wanted to run JT modes while out in the wilderness.


I just checked it and found it 23 seconds slow compared with 
NTP. It has been at least 5 months since I synced the clock on 
that computer, and probably a lot more. Not too bad for a clock 
that runs off a button battery. (Hmmm, that describes my watch 
too, but the ChronoDot is significantly more precise.)


73 Bill AE6JV

On 8/28/16 at 2:03 PM, kl...@acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) wrote:

But if you are off the grid then some other time std is 
needed.  GPS time is probably the answer.  I bought a GPS with 
USB dongle for under $50 dollars which there is software to 
update the computer time.


Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that 
could be downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week 
would be nice.  It could elicit the K3 Utility program to 
connect and update the K3 clock, automatically.  No change to 
the K3 clock hardware would be needed.


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Re: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB

[Joe W2KJ]

The SignaLink USB has been sold.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am
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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Mark E. Musick]

Hi Jim,
The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts.

73,
Mark Musick, WB9CIF

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Allen
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2

On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with
DSP!"

Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories.  When
you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory.

In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued."

Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable?

73 Jim Allen W6OGC
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Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2

[Don Wilhelm]

Jim,

The KDSP2 option has been discontinued.
The main DSP module is no longer available.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 5:22 PM, Jim Allen wrote:

On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!"

Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories.  When you 
click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory.

In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued."




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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift

[Gary Smith]

This may be a redux of what has already been stated but I am a nut 
for stability in my radio and my timekeeping. What I have done is 
purchased a BG7TBL from faymo-trading.service for $150 from Hong Kong 

(fast shipping and the newest version of this GPSDO). He still 
apparently is selling them: http://tinyurl.com/gtpzkvx

I have the KTCXO3-1 TXCO installed in the K3s & I installed the 
K3EXREF in the K3. It locks beautifully to the Satellite data and I 
then set REF CAL to sync with the GPSDO. 

I found two softwares to sync the computer with the satellites: NMEA 
time and BIG BEN. I chose NMEA as it has a smaller footprint but 
either are out of sight once you set it. Both use the info from the 
GPSDO and they sync to the computer and keep it accurate to an 
incredibly precise number. NMEA lives in the hidden icons folder and 
I have it set to start with the computer so it is syncing constantly 
and updating the computer clock every minute.

With the computer dead on, you just use the K3 Utility at the bottom 
of the Configuration tab and sync your accurate computer time to the 
K3/K3s.

Now my K3 is about as stable as possible and that is a beautiful 
thing.

73,

Gary
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[Elecraft] Clock accuracy and JT-65

[John R. Lonigro]

As I understand it, JT65 requires a highly accurate clock, accurate to 
less than a second.  However, unless the KX3 is capable of 
encoding/decoding JT65, that accuracy is required in the computer doing 
the encoding/decoding, not the radio.  Sure, it would be nice if the KX3 
clock were more accurate, but I can't see what practical use that 
feature would have, other than preventing you from jumping the gun at 
Field Day.  And setting the clock the night before Field Day would solve 
that problem.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable

[Charles]

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[Elecraft] (no subject)

[Edward R Cole]

Kevin,

I agree.  I'd guess digital modes will not be embedded into the K3xs 
(I made that model up) until after the "touch screen" is added and 
external computer screen driver.  But if you need an external screen 
then why not just use a computer with the K3, K3s, KX3 as its done now.


I use my computer time for logging and controlling WSJT modes.  Its 
updated once/minute and keeps within about 10ms accurate using D4.


Maybe if I hauled the K3 out in portable locations the internal clock 
would matter.  But then having a smart phone or GPS corrected laptop 
it still would not matter.  I will be using my KX3 in my truck which 
has a digital clock and I also can use my I-phone...duh.  My Timex 
keeps within a few seconds/year.  I could wear that.


enough chatter on this OT.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Won't ever be a big deal. For JT65 and JT9 it's the computer clock that
matters.  My rigs RTC could be off by an hour and it won't effect the
timing of a JT65/JT9 QSO.It would matter if Elecraft decided to add
those modes to the radio for direct keying by the on board keyer (God I
hope not).



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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Wes Stewart]

I wish I would have bought something from them instead of the Leo Bodnar unit.  
It seems to be fine but the support is lacking.


On 8/28/2016 11:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff...  And THAT is not expensive in
the grand scheme of things...  LOTS of GPSDOs et al time/freq standards
costing many multiples of that price...  :)

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On 8/28/2016 12:17 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:


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[Elecraft] KDSP2

[Jim Allen]

On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!"

Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories.  When you 
click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory.

In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued."

Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable?

73 Jim Allen W6OGC
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Re: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Lewis Phelps]

I concur, and suggest another path for those who have a strong need for 0.01 
second accuracy of their rig’s clock. 

There are Arduino GPS shields available for $40 and less.  If one were so 
inclined, it would seem feasible to use an Arduino with GPS shield connected to 
the serial port of the rig; you could even build a pass-through connector sot 
that other serial devices could be connected. 

Lew N6LEW

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Edward R Cole  wrote:
> 
> I think this topic is a little over the edge.
> 
> Do ALL radios have clocks, even??  My 1950's HQ100C had a clock which was 
> option C in the model number.  It was an electric clock.  Do I wish the K3 
> clock kept better time?  Yes, but its not something I'm going to bother 
> Elecraft about.
> 
> Accurate time is required for some digital modes but they run in a computer 
> so that is where accurate time is needed.  Several sources of atomic quality 
> time are available from the Internet.
> 
> But if you are off the grid then some other time std is needed.  GPS time is 
> probably the answer.  I bought a GPS with USB dongle for under $50 dollars 
> which there is software to update the computer time.
> 
> Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that could be 
> downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week would be nice.  It could 
> elicit the K3 Utility program to connect and update the K3 clock, 
> automatically.  No change to the K3 clock hardware would be needed.
> 
> I assume this not rocket science for all you computer whizzes.  I'm not 
> suggesting Elecraft take this on - somebody else.  Surely the K3 utility is 
> not that hard a nut to crack?
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB for PSK31

[Lewis Phelps]

Hey, Joe,

I sent you an email yesterday saying I’d buy this.

If you didn’t get it, please respond off-list.

Lew N6LEW


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Joe W2KJ  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Howdy Gang:
>> 
>> I have for sale a like-new SignaLink USB with the appropriate cables and 
>> also the optional plug-in module for the internal jumper settings for the K3.
>> 
>> I used this unit a couple of times with my K3 but just couldn't get into 
>> that mode...guess I'm a die-hard CW fan.
>> 
>> Also, I sold my K3 so I no longer have any use for the SignaLink.
> 
> The USB is in mint, like-new condition.
>> 
>> Will ship for $90 via Priority Mail.
>> 
>>  73, Joe W2KJ
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[Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB for PSK31

[Joe W2KJ]

> 
> Howdy Gang:
> 
> I have for sale a like-new SignaLink USB with the appropriate cables and also 
> the optional plug-in module for the internal jumper settings for the K3.
> 
> I used this unit a couple of times with my K3 but just couldn't get into that 
> mode...guess I'm a die-hard CW fan.
> 
> Also, I sold my K3 so I no longer have any use for the SignaLink.

The USB is in mint, like-new condition.
> 
> Will ship for $90 via Priority Mail.
> 
>   73, Joe W2KJ
>   I QRP, therefore I am
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[Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift

[Edward R Cole]

I think this topic is a little over the edge.

Do ALL radios have clocks, even??  My 1950's HQ100C had a clock which 
was option C in the model number.  It was an electric clock.  Do I 
wish the K3 clock kept better time?  Yes, but its not something I'm 
going to bother Elecraft about.


Accurate time is required for some digital modes but they run in a 
computer so that is where accurate time is needed.  Several sources 
of atomic quality time are available from the Internet.


But if you are off the grid then some other time std is needed.  GPS 
time is probably the answer.  I bought a GPS with USB dongle for 
under $50 dollars which there is software to update the computer time.


Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that could 
be downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week would be 
nice.  It could elicit the K3 Utility program to connect and update 
the K3 clock, automatically.  No change to the K3 clock hardware 
would be needed.


I assume this not rocket science for all you computer whizzes.  I'm 
not suggesting Elecraft take this on - somebody else.  Surely the K3 
utility is not that hard a nut to crack?


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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable

[Don Wilhelm]

Bret,

I don't think that will work - it is apparently not a USB to RS-232 
converter, and who knows what the signals at the plug might be.  It is 
advertised as a charging cable, so it likely only pipes the USB 
connector +5V to the connected device.


You can get a KXUSB cable from Elecraft in 3 days or less if you choose 
USPS Priority Mail or 1st class mail from the on-line order form.  If 
the package is less than 13 oz, it can ship 1st class mail - the website 
will indicate that it cannot be shipped that way by showing a shipping 
charge of $99.00!


73,
Don W3FPR


On 8/28/2016 4:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote:

I just can't find my KXUSB cable for my KX2 - not in the KX2 stuff box...

Will one of these suffice until I find a reason to place an order to
Elecraft?
https://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-Charge-Cable/dp/B00X77J9TQ/ref=pd_sim_23_3?ie=UTF8=1=59RSH9N3F8HBCVH9TCSM




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[Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable

[MaverickNH]

I just can't find my KXUSB cable for my KX2 - not in the KX2 stuff box...

Will one of these suffice until I find a reason to place an order to
Elecraft? 
https://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-Charge-Cable/dp/B00X77J9TQ/ref=pd_sim_23_3?ie=UTF8=1=59RSH9N3F8HBCVH9TCSM

Bret/N4SRN



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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Don Wilhelm]

Dave,

Yes, the RTC is an "add-on convenience" item for the rig.  It is a nice 
thing to have for logging when operating portable (set it before the 
outing).


As far as digital modes go, the Elecraft gear offers only PSK and FSK 
internally and as far as I know, those are not time critical and logging 
the contact as much as a minute off is not going to cause a big problem.
For those operating JT modes (which are time critical), a computer or 
other 'smart' device is required and the timing is controlled by that 
device and not by the K3(S), KX3 or KX2, so the RTC in the transceiver 
does not control the transmission/receive timing.


Certainly, I have a $39 Timex watch on my wrist, and it has not been set 
for the last many months.  It does not sync to WWVB or anything else, it 
just runs, and matches my atomic clock time if I ignore the seconds.  I 
consider that an accurate timepiece.


If Elecraft were to automate trimming the accuracy of the RTC, I suspect 
it would add to the cost of the option that includes the RTC.  With the 
RTC in the K2's KAF2 and KDSP2 options, the builder is given 
instructions on how to change the capacitor value to give more long term 
accuracy to the clock, but I don't know of any builders who have done 
that.  It takes a long time to determine how much clock drift occurs and 
it takes a bit of experimenting with the capacitor value to get it 
'right on'.  In other words, it is a lengthy process.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 3:53 PM, w7aqk wrote:
Now Don, don't get testy!  Hi.  Actually, I think the critics may have 
a good point--especially the ones using digital. For me, it is no big 
deal, but the clock gets so far off so quickly I have stopped even 
looking at it. However, the digital users do need some precision in 
order to get their transmissions timed correctly for an exchange.


I don't know why the clock doesn't work so well, but there probably is 
a good explanation for it.  Still, in this day and age when a few 
bucks can get you a clock that only loses/gains a second or two a 
month, it's hard to understand why this clock performs so poorly.  I 
don't have a KX2 clock, but I do have one in my KX3.  At this moment 
it is 5 minutes fast, and I last set it to WWV about a month ago.  The 
specs for the KX2 clock say the deviation can be minimized to about 2 
seconds per day, so apparently it is a lot better!


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  "$10 wristwatches are accurate to a few seconds per month."

Yep!  That is exactly what the original poster was concerned with.  You said it 
even better than he did.  The original poster's KXBC3 clock isn't as accurate 
as a $10 wristwatch.  Mine isn't either, last time I checked it.  
The poster simply asked what other people were experiencing, so I provided my 
experience.  I am not complaining. I dont really use the clock.  There are too 
many other things that need the display.  

Mark
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[Elecraft] Mike Reublin NF4L(SK) K3 config program

[Gary Smith]

I must have missed it but Mike Reublin is now a SK. RIP Mike.

I was helping him Beta test a program he was calling K3 Configure, it 
analyses the configuration of your K3 and lists the config functions 
and your matching settings. You can save the text file so you can 
later review or print them out in case you want to reset your K3 / 
K3s back to what you earlier had saved.

I found what I thought was a bug but turns out that like the K3 
utility, it requires direct connection and LP-Bridge running is a 
conflict. With that it runs perfectly again.

Has anyone else picked up working with this beta, after Mike's 
passing?

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Phil Wheeler]

HTs, of course. But I meant HF rigs. Sounds like there may be a few. 

Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Aug 28, 2016, at 13:10, Bill Gerth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver, 
> synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC.  Makes a dandy self-contained 
> APRS system.  Granted, it is only for VHF/UHF on the ham bands (no HF).  It 
> also makes it really easy to set the KXBC3 clock in my KX3 just before 
> hitting the trail for a SOTA summit, even if I'm out of range on my cell 
> phone.
> 
> 73,
> BILL
> W4RK
> KX3 S/N 112
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:
>> 
>> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham 
>> transceivers with on-board GPS receivers?
>> 
>> Phil W7OX
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Hajo Dezelski]

Hi,

The Px3, the rest is nice to have. Sometimes the roofing filter.

73 de Hajo dl1sdz

Am 28.08.2016 7:33 nachm. schrieb "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" <
kf5...@wickedbeernut.com>:

> What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2?
> I'm
> not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison.  I can find that in the
> color brochure.  For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the
> home
> QTH, which features (unique to the KX3) are critical?
>
> Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Bill Gerth]

Hi Phil,

My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver, 
synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC.  Makes a dandy self-contained 
APRS system.  Granted, it is only for VHF/UHF on the ham bands (no HF).  It 
also makes it really easy to set the KXBC3 clock in my KX3 just before hitting 
the trail for a SOTA summit, even if I'm out of range on my cell phone.

73,
BILL
W4RK
KX3 S/N 112




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> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham 
> transceivers with on-board GPS receivers?
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Bill Frantz]

I certainly agree with Jim about liking light weight radios. I 
take my K3 out 2 or 3 times a year, and being able to easily 
carry it is very welcome. My KX3 is a perfect airplane rig.


But the real advantage of the radios, and the K3 in particular, 
is their modular construction. When the K3S came out it was 
possible to gain most of the advantages of K3S by upgrading a 
K3. Keeping up with advances in the art is not only cheaper, 
it's fun installing updates.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 8/28/16 at 11:35 AM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:

No product is perfect, but perfection usually comes with 
increased cost. N7WS has found issues with some products, 
including his K3, and I've found issues as well. When I was a 
kid growing up in WV in the '50s, I didn't know anyone who 
could afford Collins gear, but I saw a lot of Heathkit, 
Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Globe, and Viking. One of the great 
thing about Elecraft is that the gear is as good as it is at 
far lower cost than competitive products that cost a lot more. 
And I really love their design concept that a bigger heavier 
radio is not a better radio. I am SO happy to have those huge 
FT1000MPs gone from my operating desk. :)

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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[w7aqk]

Now Don, don't get testy!  Hi.  Actually, I think the critics may have a 
good point--especially the ones using digital.  For me, it is no big deal, 
but the clock gets so far off so quickly I have stopped even looking at it. 
However, the digital users do need some precision in order to get their 
transmissions timed correctly for an exchange.


I don't know why the clock doesn't work so well, but there probably is a 
good explanation for it.  Still, in this day and age when a few bucks can 
get you a clock that only loses/gains a second or two a month, it's hard to 
understand why this clock performs so poorly.  I don't have a KX2 clock, but 
I do have one in my KX3.  At this moment it is 5 minutes fast, and I last 
set it to WWV about a month ago.  The specs for the KX2 clock say the 
deviation can be minimized to about 2 seconds per day, so apparently it is a 
lot better!  I have a wrist watch that barely loses or gains 1 second a 
month--it's solar powered and no GPS involved either!  In any event, it is a 
bit of a misnomer to call the rig accessory a "real time clock"!  Hi. 
However, the clock feature is really an "extra", and not the main reason for 
buying the accessory in the first place--at least I don't think anyone is 
doing that.  So, it's hard to be too critical of the cost, since that 
applies mainly to the other features provided by the accessory.


It would be nice to better understand the problem, though, so maybe someone 
from Elecraft can explain it.  Then we can all get back to our regularly 
scheduled program, which is already in progress!


Dave W7AQK


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I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
periods. :-) 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time?

[MaverickNH]

Thanks y'all - that sets me straight.

Clay, if you come up with a solution, let us know!

Bret/N4SRN



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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift

[Kevin]

Won't ever be a big deal. For JT65 and JT9 it's the computer clock that 
matters.  My rigs RTC could be off by an hour and it won't effect the 
timing of a JT65/JT9 QSO.It would matter if Elecraft decided to add 
those modes to the radio for direct keying by the on board keyer (God I 
hope not).



On 8/28/2016 1:23 PM, Clay Autery wrote:

Yes and no...  the utility will sync time with whatever computer/laptop
that is running the utility...  The accuracy of the computer is
independent of the utility.

This is what I am currently doing...  I have an NTP client running that
is keeping my laptop to within a few milliseconds
Periodically, I shut down Win4K3 Suite and crank up the K3 Utility, and
sync the time...

It's a bit fidgety...  don't always get a good sync...  So the radio is
never more accurate than the computer, and seldom matches the computer
on sync to less than 1/10th of a second or so best case...  luck of the
draw/random as to how close the sync ends up...

RIght now, not a big deal...  but on some of the digital modes, I am
given to understand that having the time sync pretty close is key to
function...


73,

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On 8/28/2016 12:43 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

Doesn’t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3’s on-board 
clock time to UTC Internet time?  It doesn’t make the clock any more accurate, 
but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the configuration 
menu.  As I recall it’s in the KX3 Utility as well.

Ted, KN1CBR

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 Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most

 accurate time commonly available.
 
 73!
 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Alan. G4GNX]

I believe that the IC7100 has the facility, but it's an option.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS 

As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked 
into it: Are there any ham transceivers with 
on-board GPS receivers?


Phil W7OX
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,8/28/2016 11:12 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

I would say a customer has every right to see the schematic.


I think so too, but Elecraft is one of the few mfrs that provides 
schematics for most, if not all, of their products.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Don Wilhelm]

I have a Seiko watch that is extremely accurate twice a day! You just 
have to know when to look at it.

One day I will put a new battery in it.:-)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 2:25 PM, Kevin wrote:

Well that's it darn it!

I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock 
built in or available as an add on option. That'll make my JT65/JT9 
signals hyper accurate...Oh wait...that's the computer clock. I 
*demand* while Elecraft is fixing my radio's clock they also offer a 
fix for my computer clock. Oh wait...I'm already running Dimension 4 
that adjusts my computer to NIST time every 15 minutes. There's the 
answer. I *demand* Elecraft make available as an option a motherboard, 
processor, and sufficient memory to run Windows 10 and D4 on my radio. 
Of course the video from said radio will need to be displayed directly 
on a P3.




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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Jim Brown]

You are both correct -- I live about 20 miles from Eric, 3 miles from 
K6XX, and know Wayne from many conversations both on and off the 
reflector, including several in the bar at ham events. These guys are 
VERY clear-eyed observers of the scene, and I've never seen "worship" of 
their product line. No question -- Elecraft products are as good as they 
are because Eric and Wayne read this reflector every day, because they 
carefully study the needs/desires of their customers, and because they 
incorporate many customer suggestions and design advice into their 
products.


And, as a long time member of this reflector (about 12 years) have seen 
WAY too much "fan worship." But if you think it's bad here, spend a week 
reading the Ten Tec reflector, where the company and product they still 
worship no longer exists. :)


No product is perfect, but perfection usually comes with increased cost. 
N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, and I've 
found issues as well. When I was a kid growing up in WV in the '50s, I 
didn't know anyone who could afford Collins gear, but I saw a lot of 
Heathkit, Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Globe, and Viking. One of the great 
thing about Elecraft is that the gear is as good as it is at far lower 
cost than competitive products that cost a lot more. And I really love 
their design concept that a bigger heavier radio is not a better radio. 
I am SO happy to have those huge FT1000MPs gone from my operating desk. :)


73, Jim K9YC



On Sun,8/28/2016 8:21 AM, Ray Sills wrote:

OTOH, many criticisms have resulted in improvements in the products.  Wayne and 
Eric are quite capable of tolerating criticism, so owners are more than welcome 
to point out any deficiency or problem.  That’s why people like Elecraft 
products: having the ear of the company.

73 de Ray
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On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Wes Stewart  wrote:

QSL

On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:

Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis 
any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as 
an owner and list member. :-)
Mike / KK5F


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

There is an argument that if a clock is included it should at perform as well 
as we expect from other timepieces.

Of course the next step beyond a highly-accurate clock that does not require 
resetting is to have the K3S able to use that time, read frequencies and signal 
levels, modes, etc., and automatically log each contact through a built-in 
internet wi-fi or cel phone connection to the on-line logging site of our 
choice, either in real time or the next time the rig is in range.  

I just glance at my phone for the accurate time in UTC. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  "You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting 
off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)"

That is why I have never complained about it, and I only offered my experience 
with it as a data point.  I do, however, need to run controlled tests and spend 
some time with the schematics to better understand if voltage is a factor, or 
if something else is causing the differences in time swing.

In any case, I have been extremely pleased with my KX3 for over 3 years and I 
haven't spent much time investigating this yet, so it obviously isn't high on 
my priority list.  I usually use my cell phone for time so the KX3 display 
remains free for other things ( VFO B, batt, current, PA temp, etc.).

Mark
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Date: 8/28/16  9:46 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector 
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift 

> 
> Re:  "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
> 

You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to 
how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)

Grant NQ5T


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Kevin]

Well that's it darn it!

I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock 
built in or available as an add on option. That'll make my JT65/JT9 
signals hyper accurate...Oh wait...that's the computer clock. I *demand* 
while Elecraft is fixing my radio's clock they also offer a fix for my 
computer clock. Oh wait...I'm already running Dimension 4 that adjusts 
my computer to NIST time every 15 minutes. There's the answer. I 
*demand* Elecraft make available as an option a motherboard, processor, 
and sufficient memory to run Windows 10 and D4 on my radio. Of course 
the video from said radio will need to be displayed directly on a P3.


Never mind. I can change the time on the radio manually every couple of 
months.


The above was sarcasm for those who just don't get it.


On 8/28/2016 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Re:  "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”


You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to 
how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)

Grant NQ5T


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Clay Autery]

Never mind...  ;-)

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On 8/28/2016 12:46 PM, Rose wrote:
>
> No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's
> display ... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the 
> display.  (Mine has about a half inch high display.)
>
> That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time
> it is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features..
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift

[Clay Autery]

Yes and no...  the utility will sync time with whatever computer/laptop
that is running the utility...  The accuracy of the computer is
independent of the utility.

This is what I am currently doing...  I have an NTP client running that
is keeping my laptop to within a few milliseconds
Periodically, I shut down Win4K3 Suite and crank up the K3 Utility, and
sync the time...

It's a bit fidgety...  don't always get a good sync...  So the radio is
never more accurate than the computer, and seldom matches the computer
on sync to less than 1/10th of a second or so best case...  luck of the
draw/random as to how close the sync ends up...

RIght now, not a big deal...  but on some of the digital modes, I am
given to understand that having the time sync pretty close is key to
function...


73,

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On 8/28/2016 12:43 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Doesn’t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3’s on-board 
> clock time to UTC Internet time?  It doesn’t make the clock any more 
> accurate, but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the 
> configuration menu.  As I recall it’s in the KX3 Utility as well.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
> --
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift
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>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
> accurate time commonly available.
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> 73!
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Alan. G4GNX]

I can't see what all the fuss is about. I like my time to be very accurate - 
1 second in 10million years, so I wear a cheap radio controlled watch, which 
is accurate once a day, but isn't even inaccurate by one second until the 
next update. FWIW my friends expensive Rolex tracks with it very well too. 
:-)


I don't expect a radio of any sort to show that accuracy and I must admit to 
hardly ever checking the K3's time. It would only be important to me if I 
had to set alarms by it.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Rose

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:46 PM
To: Clay Autery ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display
... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the  display.
(Mine has about a half inch high display.)

That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time it
is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features..

73

K0PP 


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Clay Autery]

Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff...  And THAT is not expensive in
the grand scheme of things...  LOTS of GPSDOs et al time/freq standards
costing many multiples of that price...  :)

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On 8/28/2016 12:17 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
> Flexradio offers a GPSDO option for their receivers. It's made by Jackson
> Labs (and it isn't cheap):
>
> http://cart.flexradio.com/FLEX-65006700-GPSDO-Upgrade_p_899.html
>
> It's internal to the radio.
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:
>
>> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any
>> ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers?
>>
>> Phil W7OX
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

Mike,

> The manufacturer specs for all the Elecraft RTC chips promise much better.

What Elecraft RTC chips are you referring to?  The KXBC3 keeps time using a
PIC microcontroller.

> ... a customer does indeed have every right to expect a competent RTC
> implementation when he purchases the option.  No???

I would say a customer has every right to see the schematic.  He/she can
then judge for him/herself whether the RTC implementation is competent,

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3SchematicDiagramDec2012.pdf

Speaking of which  ... when can we expect to see the KX2 schematics?

73's

Joe
KF5WBO




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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[Bill]

Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port.

Bill
K9YEQ

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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:59 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

Hello to All,

I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2
Interface software available on the website using an internet connection.
The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18  The
error is "Looking for a W2 on Network".

I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped.  Using Putty
communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with
V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using
a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine.  I'm
using the factory cable that did work in the past.

The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client,
and the server IP and port that worked with Putty.

This has me stumped.  It has to be something simple that I am missing.

73, Joe, K1ike
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[David Anderson via Elecraft]

Funnily enough the IC-7300 guys were complaining about the same thing ;-)

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 17:46, GRANT YOUNGMAN  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Re:  "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
> 
> You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off 
> to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time?

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

The clock has its own oscillator that runs from the battery inside your K3S.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time?

I have the K3EXREF and XTCXO3-1 installed on my K3s and have a Jackson Labs
LC-XO-Plus GPSDO attached to the factory-installed port. The config setting
REF*CAL shows the * to be blinking, indicating data is being received.

I tuned into WWV 10MHz and found that my K3s time was pretty far off, based
on the audible signal. Using Config:Time, I can adjust the time to match the
audible beat. I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time?

I have a separate GPSDO running from ToyNTP http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/
to keep my PC on time to less than +/- 50 microseconds. There's some high
latency somewhere... But digital modes like WSPR have adequately accurate
reference time.

Bret/N4SRN



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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Rose]

No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display
... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the  display.
(Mine has about a half inch high display.)

That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time it
is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features..

73

K0PP

On Aug 28, 2016 11:03, "Clay Autery"  wrote:

> OK Ken...  How do you propose to get that "uber-accurate" time from the
> cell phone into the radio?
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> > accurate time commonly available.
> >
> > 73!
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Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

> My only question - does this originate with Elecraft or the reflector?

Reflector.



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[Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift

[Dauer, Edward]

Doesn’t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3’s on-board 
clock time to UTC Internet time?  It doesn’t make the clock any more accurate, 
but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the configuration 
menu.  As I recall it’s in the KX3 Utility as well.

Ted, KN1CBR

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Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
accurate time commonly available.

73!

K0PP

 


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2?  I'm
not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison.  I can find that in the
color brochure.  For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the home
QTH, which features (unique to the KX3) are critical?

Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Phil Hystad]

Ditto!

Well, actually, I did once have an accurate (for its day) clock on my receiver, 
my HQ-170AC, back in or about 1964 to 1967.  Being run by a synchronous motor, 
the local power company had the job of keeping my clock accurate (feature of 
AGC controlling ACE and Frequency).

But, today, in my opinion of course, a clock on a radio is a feature that I 
would exchange for a half dozen or more other features better suited to using 
the radio itself.  Yes, there is a clock feature on my K3 and it is very 
thoroughly ignored by me.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> I think you overreact a bit, Mike. I can criticize Elecraft with the best of 
> them if a product does not do as promised. But nowhere in any spec or promise 
> have I seen highly accurate time-keeping -- but perhaps my reading skills 
> fail me with age.
> 
> In my shack I have a large LaCrosse clock, updated nightly by WWVH or some 
> such: $35 or so on line. On my wrist I often wear a Casio wristwatch with 
> similar capabilities (NOT in that price range).
> 
> I prefer Elecraft to focus on what they do best, not capabilities I can 
> obtain elsewhere at very reasonable cost.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 8/28/16 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive 
>> basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 
>> years as an owner and list member.  :-)
>> 
>> Mike / KK5F
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[Elecraft] WTB: USED KX2 - Anyone?

[Dan Boardman]

Wonder if anyone on list for one reason or another wants to sell a KX2? I know 
its new, but just in case!

Thanks much

Please email me directly - dan.boardman AT shreditfast DOT com

Dan - NB1C
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Peter Pauly]

Flexradio offers a GPSDO option for their receivers. It's made by Jackson
Labs (and it isn't cheap):

http://cart.flexradio.com/FLEX-65006700-GPSDO-Upgrade_p_899.html

It's internal to the radio.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any
> ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers?
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/28/16 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>
>> So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?
>>
>> We can dream...  we can dream.  :-)
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>> On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while
>>> portable.
>>> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
>>> periods. :-)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>>
 Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!  >>> w/PPS INSIDE the K3s>

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Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen

[Joel Black]

I have seen this pop up several times over the past few days. I cannot seem to 
find the OP.

My only question - does this originate with Elecraft or the reflector?

Thanks.

73,
Joel - W4JBB


> 
>PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN
> 
>Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e.,
>PX3HDMI) to
>connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface.
> 
>Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to
>connect a
>PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface.
> 
>DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN
> 
>Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to
>write, 
> 
>* text decoded by the K3, and 
>* text to be transmitted / transmitted text
> 
>to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA).  This 
> firmware
>change
>must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit Monitor)
>option, for
>example, displaying the power output and SWR displays in place of the
>decoded
>text during transmit,
> 
>http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg
> 
>73's
> 
>Joe
>KF5WBO
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS

[Phil Wheeler]

As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked 
into it: Are there any ham transceivers with 
on-board GPS receivers?


Phil W7OX

On 8/28/16 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?

We can dream...  we can dream.  :-)

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On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while
portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
periods. :-)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!  


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Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen

[Joe Stone (KF5WBO)]

> Since you asked . . . 

Actually, I asked "if*you're interested in*one or both of these new
features ... please reply to this thread".  Wayne is trying to gauge how
many PX3 HDMI Large Screen Adapters he'll sell, not how many PX3 HDMI Large
Screen Adapters he won't sell.

I don't own a K3.  I have no plans to purchase a K3.  I could have said
displaying decoded text on the native P3 screen should be a low priority. 
However, that would have been selfish on my part.  I chimed in when it was
(incorrectly) stated that the P3SVGA (and PX3) decodes text and that the P3
could never display decoded text without a P3SVGA.  Wayne confirmed it's
simply a "Small matter of programming."  I left it to reflector participants
to express their interest in this feature.

I currently display decoded text and text to be transmitted on my PX3 screen
using a 5 x 7 font.  That's 335 text characters across five lines.  I
appreciate the fact that not everyone can comfortably see 5 x 7 text
characters on a 4-1/4" diagonal screen.   However, I see no reason why the
P3 shouldn't support those who can.  Would I prefer to view decoded and
transmitted text on a larger screen connected to my PX3 via an HDMI cable? 
Absolutely.  That's why I proposed the new feature.

73's

Joe
KF5WBO

Message: 13 
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:08:39 -0700 (MST) 
From: "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" <[hidden email]> 
To: [hidden email] 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; 
and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen 
Message-ID: <[hidden email]> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

I've attempted to fold in the feedback thus far.  If you haven't
already, 
please reply to this thread if you're interested in one or both of these
new 
features. 

PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN 

Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter
(i.e., 
PX3HDMI) to connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI
interface. 

Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA)
to 
connect a PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface. 

DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN 

Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware
to 
write, 

* text decoded by the K3, and 
* text to be transmitted / transmitted text 

to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA).  This
firmware 
change must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit
Monitor) option, for example, displaying the power output and SWR
displays in place of the decoded text during transmit, 

http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg

73's 

Joe 
KF5WBO 



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Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[John]

Hi Joe,

I'd not realised until now that you can do this with the W2, but I'm looking
to set mine up to test this now for you!

I assume you have the same W2 software running at both ends? It looks to me
that the network function simply bridges the software at both sides, based
on the manual.

When you say you are connecting to the remote W2, where are you doing this?
>From the 'client' machine? From the 'server' machine connected to the W2? If
from the 'client', what exact settings are you using?

You've not got anything like Windows Firewall running on either end, have
you? Have any updates been done on either PC? What OSs are you working with?

73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)

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To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

Hello to All,

I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2
Interface software available on the website using an internet connection.
The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18  The
error is "Looking for a W2 on Network".

I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped.  Using Putty
communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with
V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using
a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine.  I'm
using the factory cable that did work in the past.

The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client,
and the server IP and port that worked with Putty.

This has me stumped.  It has to be something simple that I am missing.

73, Joe, K1ike
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Clay Autery]

OK Ken...  How do you propose to get that "uber-accurate" time from the
cell phone into the radio?

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On 8/28/2016 9:34 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
> accurate time commonly available.
>
> 73!
>
> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Clay Autery]

So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don?

We can dream...  we can dream.  :-)

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On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while
> portable.
> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest
> periods. :-)
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!  > w/PPS INSIDE the K3s>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

> 
> Re:  "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.”
> 

You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to 
how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)

Grant NQ5T


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Tom Francis]

Same here - I like it a lot - perfect size for just messing around - I 
have the KX3 if

I want to get serious. :-)

Tom, W1TEF

On 8/28/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Guenther wrote:
I've only had KX2 serial No. 857 for about ten days. It was purchased 
as a replacement for my KX1, to be used primarily for portable 
operations while on vacation.  However, I'm finding it so much fun to 
operate it at home, it has displaced my K2-10 on my operating desk.  
(In case anyone is tempted to ask, I have no plans to sell the K2 that 
I built 10 years ago; rather I am giving it to my son).



I'm perhaps unusual in that I'm an avid DX'er who has never before 
used a transceiver with "dual watch." So I'm finding the KX2 a perfect 
trainer in learning to listen to both sides of a DX pileup at once, 
using a stereo headset.  I may be wrong, but the KX2 does not appear 
to have a balance control. However, the individual R/L volume controls 
on my MFJ-392B headphones serve the purpose.


I made a ten watt QSO, and a five watt QSO with the recent CY9C 
expedition, using dual watch.  Great fun!  Some day I will purchase a 
second receiver for my K3.


Thanks to Elecraft for its continuing innovation and superb products.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
KX1; KX2; K2-10, K3/P3



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[Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio

[Chuck Guenther]

I've only had KX2 serial No. 857 for about ten days. It was purchased as 
a replacement for my KX1, to be used primarily for portable operations 
while on vacation.  However, I'm finding it so much fun to operate it at 
home, it has displaced my K2-10 on my operating desk.  (In case anyone 
is tempted to ask, I have no plans to sell the K2 that I built 10 years 
ago; rather I am giving it to my son).



I'm perhaps unusual in that I'm an avid DX'er who has never before used 
a transceiver with "dual watch." So I'm finding the KX2 a perfect 
trainer in learning to listen to both sides of a DX pileup at once, 
using a stereo headset.  I may be wrong, but the KX2 does not appear to 
have a balance control. However, the individual R/L volume controls on 
my MFJ-392B headphones serve the purpose.


I made a ten watt QSO, and a five watt QSO with the recent CY9C 
expedition, using dual watch.  Great fun!  Some day I will purchase a 
second receiver for my K3.


Thanks to Elecraft for its continuing innovation and superb products.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
KX1; KX2; K2-10, K3/P3



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[Elecraft] PR-6 for sale

[Ken Roberson via Elecraft]

For sale PR6 - 6 meter preamp$65.00 I ship CONUSEmail good on qrzKen K5DNL
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Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen

[Kevin]

Ditto.

On 8/28/2016 8:59 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote

Option number 2 – text on the P3 screen – is not important to me for two 
reasons.  For one, in all the years I have owned it I have never used the K3’s 
text decode even though I am 100% CW.And if text did appear on the P3 
screen, I wouldn’t be able to read it on that screen anyway.  Too small.


--
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
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FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:  "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month."

I didn't buy the KXBC3 for the clock, and I don't expect it to automatically 
sync with WWV or GPS, but mine seems to be sensitive to applied voltage:

If I leave 14v applied to my KX3, it gains a few seconds per day, probably not 
far off what yours loses,  Erik.  If l remove the 14v supply and store the KX3 
in my day pack for a week or more, it will be an hour or more off next time I 
check it.  I can't remember if it gains or loses though.  I need to quantify 
that a bit better.

It works, but certainly isn't up to the level of performance we usually see 
from Elecraft.

Mark
KE6BB
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[Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software

[JOE]

Hello to All,

I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the 
Elecraft W2 Interface software available on the website using an 
internet connection.  The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 
software is V1.12.1.18  The error is "Looking for a W2 on Network".


I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped.  Using Putty 
communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds 
with V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is 
good. Using a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port 
works fine.  I'm using the factory cable that did work in the past.


The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, 
Client, and the server IP and port that worked with Putty.


This has me stumped.  It has to be something simple that I am missing.

73, Joe, K1ike
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Phil Wheeler]

I think you overreact a bit, Mike. I can criticize 
Elecraft with the best of them if a product does 
not do as promised. But nowhere in any spec or 
promise have I seen highly accurate time-keeping 
-- but perhaps my reading skills fail me with age.


In my shack I have a large LaCrosse clock, updated 
nightly by WWVH or some such: $35 or so on line. 
On my wrist I often wear a Casio wristwatch with 
similar capabilities (NOT in that price range).


I prefer Elecraft to focus on what they do best, 
not capabilities I can obtain elsewhere at very 
reasonable cost.


73, Phil W7OX

On 8/28/16 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:

Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis 
any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as 
an owner and list member.  :-)

Mike / KK5F


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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Ray Sills]

OTOH, many criticisms have resulted in improvements in the products.  Wayne and 
Eric are quite capable of tolerating criticism, so owners are more than welcome 
to point out any deficiency or problem.  That’s why people like Elecraft 
products: having the ear of the company.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> QSL
> 
> On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive 
>> basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 
>> years as an owner and list member. :-)
>> Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Wes Stewart]

QSL

On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote:
Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis 
any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as 
an owner and list member. :-)

Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Mike Morrow]

> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable.
> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest 
> periods. :-)

I would be suprised that even as a joke the listing above could win any 
arguments for the extraordinary lack of performance of Elecraft RTCs.  A $5 
watch does better by orders of magnitude...even the Dallas Semiconductor RTC in 
30-year-old Kantronics hardware does better.  The manufacturer specs for all 
the Elecraft RTC chips promise much better.  Unlike the items in the quoted 
listing, a customer does indeed have every right to expect a competent RTC 
implementation when he purchases the option.  No???

Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis 
any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as 
an owner and list member.  :-)

Mike / KK5F
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Ken G Kopp]

Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most
accurate time commonly available.

73!

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Does the KXUSBa (USB to 3.5mm) Have a Level Converter Inside?

[Don Wilhelm]

Ken,

I do not know the signalling voltage developed by the KXUSB.  I do know 
that the KX3 (and other devices using the KUSB cable) are capable of 
receiving the full RS-232 levels, but will only send a 5 volt level.
The KXUSB FTDI chip is powered from the USB 5 volt source, so it is a 
possibility that the voltage will not exceed 5 volts.


HOWEVER, I would suggest measuring the voltage levels at the plug of the 
KXUSB to be certain before connecting it to your FT-817.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2016 2:39 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:

Hi All,

I'm thinking of using a KXUSB cable for CAT control of an FT-817ND. 
The 817 apparently cannot use RS232 straight from a computer (as the 
K2 couldn't as I recall) and requires a level converter.  However, I 
have a handful of KXUSB cables now and was wondering if using one with 
my 817 will be as simple as making an adapter to go from the 3.5mm 
plug to the 8-pin mini-DIN that plugs into the 817.


So, long story short; can I go straight from a KXUSB to an FT-817 
without a level converter or do I need to add one inline.  I'd prefer 
not to find out the hard way!  :-)


Many thanks,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Phil Wheeler]

Maybe just buy a $15 wristwatch with a 10 year 
battery made by Casio and set it every week or so 
? :-)


Phil W7OX

On 8/28/16 7:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my 
sandwiches cool while portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for 
use during contest periods. :-)


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!  thought of an ONBOARD GPSDO

w/PPS INSIDE the K3s>






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Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift

[Don Wilhelm]

I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable.
Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest 
periods. :-)


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

Mmmm... not JUST the KX3!  




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