Re: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?

[Brad J. Butler via Elecraft]

Thanks, Chuck.  I took mine apart and it looks like the cause is the small
plastic donut (with foam wrapped around it) that surrounds the wire between
the circuit board and mic.  I think it had enough room to wiggle around.
Once reassembled, the rattling went away, as I suspect the wire arrangement
no longer allows for it to bounce around on the inside.

-Brad Butler
W6BJB/JS6TQS

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?

Mine doesn't rattle. It comes apart fairly easily to check why.



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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Doug Smith]

I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship.  It was the SS 
Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA.  We worked our way up and down the South American 
coasts from ports in the US gulf coast. 

I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around 30 WPM 
due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once made a 
mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. Johnsen or some 
such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That didn't happen again!

One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep correcting 
myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore station op. He 
said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied all day." Nice guy, 
made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I have little doubt he was a 
Ham.  

You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at:
  http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html

Fond memories...

73,
Doug, W7KF


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
> slow, no matter how painful.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Richard Fjeld]

The guys I looked up to were the radio ops on ship.  They sat at a typewriter 
and had to type perfectly as they copied perfectly.

Rich, n0ce


From: Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 6:34 PM
To: 'KENT TRIMBLE'; 
f...@fmeco.com; 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

In military and commercial brass pounding in the USA, we were limited to
something between 13 and 20 wpm, usually closer to 13, because long studies
demonstrated that slower is faster because of fewer mistakes copying every
letter correctly on a keyboard or paper. And hearing whole "words" was a
path to disaster if one was copying five letter code groups.

If I was caught trying to run an Army CW net above about 15 wpm I'd likely
end up on KP for a month. (KP = kitchen police: cleaning kitchens, peeling
potatoes, etc.) The object was to ensure that everyone on the circuit could
copy perfectly the first time.

In the "day" some commercial point-to-point circuits required the operators
use the "company key" provided - a bug with the weights welded on for about
15 wpm just to keep the speeds down for faster message handling.

I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
slow, no matter how painful.

But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
easily corrected on the next transmission.

73, Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KENT TRIMBLE
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:31 AM
To: f...@fmeco.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in head
and on paper with equal accuracy.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> the moral... put down the pencil and paper.
>
> Fred Moore
>

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[Elecraft] June NAQCC Sprint

[Larry Makoski]

The June NAQCC sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (June 13th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT -
5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Wednesaday,June 14th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint/sprint201706.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other
important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and
DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in
the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer,
straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but
you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other
sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many
veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to
help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have
7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Clay Autery]

Looking forward to starting the academy in the fall.  :)

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On 6/12/2017 6:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote
> But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
> most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
> mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
> voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
> speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
> station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
> cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
> easily corrected on the next transmission.  
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] mic

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks, at 41 postings this thread is well past the normal list guidelines max  
of10-15 posts.


Let's end it for now before someone gets hurt hitting their delete key.. ;-)

73,
Eric
List moderator
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

In military and commercial brass pounding in the USA, we were limited to
something between 13 and 20 wpm, usually closer to 13, because long studies
demonstrated that slower is faster because of fewer mistakes copying every
letter correctly on a keyboard or paper. And hearing whole "words" was a
path to disaster if one was copying five letter code groups. 

If I was caught trying to run an Army CW net above about 15 wpm I'd likely
end up on KP for a month. (KP = kitchen police: cleaning kitchens, peeling
potatoes, etc.) The object was to ensure that everyone on the circuit could
copy perfectly the first time. 

In the "day" some commercial point-to-point circuits required the operators
use the "company key" provided - a bug with the weights welded on for about
15 wpm just to keep the speeds down for faster message handling.  

I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
slow, no matter how painful. 

But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
easily corrected on the next transmission.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KENT TRIMBLE
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:31 AM
To: f...@fmeco.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in head
and on paper with equal accuracy.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> the moral... put down the pencil and paper.
>
> Fred Moore
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Margaret Wold]

That's pretty cool!
mwold



On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Charles Powell doctor...@yahoo.com [KX3] <
kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Just got a chance to turn on the radio and went to 10 meters (2110 UTC).
> I’m listening to W1AW on 28.0675 at S7 with very little QSB.  Granted they
> have a lot of power, but we don’t need no stinking S7!
>
> 72/73,
>
> Charles  - NK8O
>
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 09:47, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3] <
> kx3-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now.
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>
> If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob”
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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[Elecraft] KE7X Macro Programming book updated for DE command

[Cady, Fred]

I've finished the update to include the Delay command in the Elecraft Macro 
Programming book now available at www.lulu.com.  Lulu has a 
10% discount available today (BOOKSHIP17).

See http://www.ke7x.com/home/macro-programming for more details and what has 
been added for the delay command.

73,

Fred KE7X
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Re: [Elecraft] mic -David Clark aviation headsets

[Fred Jensen]

Thanks to all for the all the info.  I have concluded that, should I 
ever find the DC headset in the garage, I'm going to leave it there.  I 
currently use a Heil Proset I got from Elecraft.  I get very good 
reports when I'm on SSB, which is only rarely, thanks in part to my K3's 
TXEQ.  It's not the most comfortable, possibly because I've compressed 
the pads with use. The David Clark probably is in the same condition 
given its use. When I decide I need a new headset, I'll probably check 
here, and if they're still made, get the CM-500 and try it.


Again, thanks for all the info

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/12/17 12:50 PM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:

Some of those use what's called a "Bantam" jack plug for one function
(Mic or Can's, I forget which.)  Was very common in landline telecoms
and broadcast circles some time back.

Best bet, is to look on the David Clark website.  They are also quite
helpful if you contact them too.
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/customer-service.php

But be quick, they have a company shutdown July 3rd to 7th (Cant think why!)

73.

Dave G0WBX.
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Re: [Elecraft] mic

[Dave B via Elecraft]

Some of those use what's called a "Bantam" jack plug for one function
(Mic or Can's, I forget which.)  Was very common in landline telecoms
and broadcast circles some time back.

Best bet, is to look on the David Clark website.  They are also quite
helpful if you contact them too.
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/customer-service.php

But be quick, they have a company shutdown July 3rd to 7th (Cant think why!)

73.

Dave G0WBX.
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Re: [Elecraft] On relearning morse

[Kevin - K4VD]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Tox  wrote:

> Just ordered a KX3 to replace the FT-817 that was stolen last year, and
> hoping to get it in time for Field Day.
>

​Let me be the first to say the potentially politically incorrect thing to
say... Between you and the thief, you're definitely getting the better deal.

Good luck on getting it in time. Our club, W4OWL, will be running 2A
swapping around four KX3s into service.​ It's a 5-person club with 4 KX3s.
A husband and wife team share. Personally I'd tell her to get her own KX3
but they are still basically newlyweds.

What a day.

73,
Kev K4VD


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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[KENT TRIMBLE]

One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in 
head and on paper with equal accuracy.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:

the moral... put down the pencil and paper.

Fred Moore



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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[KENT TRIMBLE]

Doug . . .

This is a super-great story!

You need to send it to QST for its "letters to the editor" page.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 12:03 PM, Doug Smith wrote:

I agree about getting on the air.  And, about the value of the old Novice class 
in providing a “safe harbor”.

When I got my novice ticket I went out and bought crystals for various 
frequencies on 80, 40 and 15 meters.  Frequencies were random and I had three 
on 80 meters — 3713, 3723 and 3741.

It turned out that there was a small bunch of us who, unbeknownst to each 
other, had crystals on 3723.  We mostly were brand new licensees and soon 
became fast friends.  There was a guy in Sacramento, a gal near Portland, 
another gal near Spokane and myself in Montana.  We hung out together on 3723 
each night, sometimes for hours.  Over the weeks and months, we all built up 
T/R switches and went QSK.  We all graduated to bugs and then electronic 
keyers, mostly homebrew and TO keyers.

We had been holding forth on 3723 for 8 or 9 months and one night a guy with a 
general call-sign and who we didn’t know broke in on us and told us we were 
being rude by operating in the Novice band and that we should clear out of 
there if we wanted to run at 40 WPM.  I QRS’d for the guy and replied that we 
would love to move but we were rock-bound Novices and couldn’t move and signed 
my WN7DMA call sign.

It was a real eye opener because we had never really thought about speed.  We 
knew we were going faster that we used to, needed keyers  and whatnot but 
hadn’t really thought much about it.  We were just a bunch of Novices, having 
fun on the radio.

So, the point of this rambling?

Try to find some friends on the air who like to chew the rag and get on the air 
with them as often as possible.  A group of similar speed operators who won’t 
need to ask someone to QRS or feel like they’re imposing on someone to operate 
slowly.  The value of that is huge.  Friendship, brotherhood, and shared goals 
make it easy to overcome the angst and build speed and competence.  And, it’s 
fun!

It is unfortunate the old Novice bands are gone but I do hear lots of guys 
higher in the CW segments, lumbering along at 10 WPM.  Sometimes I get on and 
work one of them because I like to see them doing what they’re doing.  It takes 
some courage to jump on 20 meters and call CQ at 10 WPM..

One more thing.  Once you can copy 15 WPM (or so) loose the pencil or keyboard. 
 Start copying in your head.  CW then becomes a conversation and your speed 
will start to inch upward.  One day you’ll be clipping along at 30 WPM and not 
even thinking about it.  You’ll just be chatting with a friend..

73 and see you on the air!

Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com 




On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE > wrote:


I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."

I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.

The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
exit to those who weren't.

All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
the content designed.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV





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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[KENT TRIMBLE]

Clearly propagation was regional.  I only heard two or three call signs, 
none complete enough for a contact.  All were Midwest stations.


My 100 watts and wire antenna netted no returns, but Reverse Beacon 
showed my CQs consistently strong toward the East Coast.


What power and antenna were you running?

Kent



On 6/12/2017 12:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Yes, but the point is to have them daily! Since this worked, there will be more 
:)

Wayne



On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:46 AM, KENT TRIMBLE  wrote:

A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.

K9ZTV






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[Elecraft] On relearning morse

[Tox]

Thanks to folks for posting what's worked for them in the past. I met bare
minimum accuracy and speed to get my license in ~2001, then never used it.
Now interested in trying to relearn it. Can't find my MFJ trainer (which is
how I passed the test the first time - driving from portland to san jose,
cramming with that trainer on I5 on the way home from a friends wedding).

Just ordered a KX3 to replace the FT-817 that was stolen last year, and
hoping to get it in time for Field Day.

Tentatively signed up for cwops at the end of the summer, but not clear I
can carve out the 30-45 min/day to go with it. We'll see.

Glad to read folks observations, in any case.

Hope to eventually be able to catch you on the air,
AD6YT

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[Elecraft] K7QO Code Course

[Emory Schley]

My own favorite code course is the FREE one offered by the legendary Chuck 
Adams, K7QO. You can find it at http://www.k7qo.net and it is chock-full of 
code practice material, even an entire novel when you get to the point where 
you can read code in your head.
 
Practice lessons, answer key, instructions and advice on how to use, and more 
from a fellow who can cruise along effortlessly at 50 wpm+ and you can't beat 
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[Elecraft] K7QO code course

[Emory Schley]

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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Doug Smith]

I agree about getting on the air.  And, about the value of the old Novice class 
in providing a “safe harbor”.

When I got my novice ticket I went out and bought crystals for various 
frequencies on 80, 40 and 15 meters.  Frequencies were random and I had three 
on 80 meters — 3713, 3723 and 3741.  

It turned out that there was a small bunch of us who, unbeknownst to each 
other, had crystals on 3723.  We mostly were brand new licensees and soon 
became fast friends.  There was a guy in Sacramento, a gal near Portland, 
another gal near Spokane and myself in Montana.  We hung out together on 3723 
each night, sometimes for hours.  Over the weeks and months, we all built up 
T/R switches and went QSK.  We all graduated to bugs and then electronic 
keyers, mostly homebrew and TO keyers.

We had been holding forth on 3723 for 8 or 9 months and one night a guy with a 
general call-sign and who we didn’t know broke in on us and told us we were 
being rude by operating in the Novice band and that we should clear out of 
there if we wanted to run at 40 WPM.  I QRS’d for the guy and replied that we 
would love to move but we were rock-bound Novices and couldn’t move and signed 
my WN7DMA call sign.

It was a real eye opener because we had never really thought about speed.  We 
knew we were going faster that we used to, needed keyers  and whatnot but 
hadn’t really thought much about it.  We were just a bunch of Novices, having 
fun on the radio.

So, the point of this rambling?  

Try to find some friends on the air who like to chew the rag and get on the air 
with them as often as possible.  A group of similar speed operators who won’t 
need to ask someone to QRS or feel like they’re imposing on someone to operate 
slowly.  The value of that is huge.  Friendship, brotherhood, and shared goals 
make it easy to overcome the angst and build speed and competence.  And, it’s 
fun!

It is unfortunate the old Novice bands are gone but I do hear lots of guys 
higher in the CW segments, lumbering along at 10 WPM.  Sometimes I get on and 
work one of them because I like to see them doing what they’re doing.  It takes 
some courage to jump on 20 meters and call CQ at 10 WPM..

One more thing.  Once you can copy 15 WPM (or so) loose the pencil or keyboard. 
 Start copying in your head.  CW then becomes a conversation and your speed 
will start to inch upward.  One day you’ll be clipping along at 30 WPM and not 
even thinking about it.  You’ll just be chatting with a friend..

73 and see you on the air!

Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com 



> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE  > wrote:
> 
>> I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."
>> 
>> I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
>> morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
>> and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
>> encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
>> for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
>> them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.
>> 
>> The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
>> elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
>> away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
>> find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
>> intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
>> desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
>> exit to those who weren't.
>> 
>> All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
>> simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
>> between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
>> you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
>> propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
>> solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
>> be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
>> the content designed.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Kent  K9ZTV
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Wayne Burdick]

Yes, but the point is to have them daily! Since this worked, there will be more 
:)

Wayne


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:46 AM, KENT TRIMBLE  wrote:
> 
> A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.
> 
> K9ZTV
> 



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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Fred Moore]

I am convinced that the barrier most folks have is from bad habits that
allow you to unconsciously learn double and triple conversion in your head.

when you are slow..  hear the sound, count the elements, determine what
it means, then convert to writing.. 

I am 100% convinced that doing anything to fix that problem is the only
solution to the problem.. 

My real life story, which has been applied to multiple other people and
has fixed the problem in most cases..

Back in the mid 70es I was trying to break the 13 WPM barrier to get my
General License.. I was working several stations per night but not
getting anywhere with my speed..  A friend at work who was not a ham,
but taught CW in the Army finally heard from me enough and said "are you
free tonight and do you have a code practice oscillator"  I did so over
he came..

He grabbed a book from the shelf, handed me some paper and said..

I am going to transmit at 15WPM for the next 15 minutes.  I want to you
write each letter down, don't worry about the mistakes I don't care
about them..  I will not stop.

After the 15 minutes he took the paper and started writing down
letters...  He only wrote down the first letter I missed in a string
when done he said..

you are double translating in your head and there are 6 elements you
really don't know.  So after a cup of coffee, he sent me those 6 letters
for the next hour at 20 wpm, no writing only saying the letter out loud
as I heard them.  Spacing was also fast..  no farnsworth, don't even
think it existed them..  if I had it wrong he didn't say anything, he
just kept repeating the character till I had it correct then he went
on.   after a break, we then spent another hour doing the same thing
with all other elements and then he went home. 

The next night he came over and I not only was at 13wpm but could write
at 18 wpm 100%.

then he said.. now get on the air, from now on you are only allowed to
write name, call, address if sent, otherwise copy in your head..you
now know all elements of the code, if you are writing you are
translating from ear to mind to hand,  you do not want to translate at
all, anyone is capable of writing from memory without stopping to
translate..

problem fixed..  and have been enjoying CW since then..  I have used
this method about 10 times myself on other hams, and in all but one case
the problem was fixed...  

the moral..  listen to faster code than you need, and put down the
pencil and paper.. Fred

Fred Moore
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phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/12/17 5:59 AM, Rick M0LEP wrote:
> I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW 
> QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the 
> KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get 
> better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though. 
> I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling 
> along at sub-12wpm.
>
> I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was 
> sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk 
> swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental 
> approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.
>
> I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have 
> worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to 
> find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise, 
> and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like 
> Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their 
> main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year 
> long.
>
> At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down 
> to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an 
> experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some 
> local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then 
> practice, practice, practice...
>
> and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.
>
> On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
>> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>>
>> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
>> you will share?


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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Bob N3MNT]

Got two mid country stations from East Coast.  Heard a few WC stations but
QRN made ID tough.  Much better luck on 6M Canada, Maine, Cuba, KS. 



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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[GWK]

Just worked Detroit, and heard MD but have to QRT.

W3HBM, Bar Harbor, ME


On 6/12/2017 10:47 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
(Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)

If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in 
A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Keith Hutt]

That is the essence of learning CW in a nutshell.

Back in 1969 when i attended college to become a Merchant Navy RO, CW was a 
function that had to mastered, no CW no job it was that simple.


22 people on the course from all walks of life. all with the dream of 
becoming Radio Officers. No excuses of i cant do it etc, you had to learn.


Anyone can learn CW all it takes are the things listed by the previous 
author, there is no magic about all it is is practice, practice and more 
practice.


Anyway after about 6 months of CW every day Monday to Friday we were all at 
the required speed of 25 WPM sending and receiving.


Some found it easier than others but everyone got their.

I suppose the ,main difference is simple you could pass the other 6 exams 
but fail CW it was a complete fail, retake all the exams in 12 months time. 
But when your future

life depends on it you put the effort in and pass.

So good luck to everyone learning CW, but it really is simple put the effort 
in you will learn, speed comes with practice and more practice.



Regards

Keith G0TSH


-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Wheeler

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 4:06 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

I think there are three factors necessary to learning CW. All are important
and they are:



1. Desire
2. Patience
3. Persistence



There is no other easy or quick way to achieve your goal.



Marv

KG7V



K3S, KPA500, KANT3m P3





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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Bill Brooks]

Amen, Kent.

Bill, KE5OG


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE  wrote:

> I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."
>
> I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
> morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
> and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
> encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
> for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
> them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.
>
> The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
> elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
> away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
> find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
> intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
> desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
> exit to those who weren't.
>
> All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
> simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
> between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
> you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
> propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
> solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
> be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
> the content designed.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent  K9ZTV
>
>
>
> On 6/12/2017 9:43 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>
>> How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits
>> them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding the
>> way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them to
>> learn efficiently.
>>
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>>
>>> ​I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and
>>> having
>>> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Kev
>>> ​
>>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[KENT TRIMBLE]

A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.

K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 10:34 AM, Bill Brooks wrote:
You guys are COOL. A flash mob on CW to open up an otherwise dead 
band. What a Wonderful idea, Wayne. Bill, KE5OG


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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Vic Rosenthal]

I hear lots of E skip lately. But there aren't enough ion clouds in the right 
places for me to reach you guys!
But I did work an LZ (about 860 miles away) lower in the band with good signals.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 12 Jun 2017, at 18:55, EUGENE GABRY  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
> 
> I think the key lesson we have learned here is, call CQ much, much more often 
> then just watching spots and listening. If we all just watched spots and 
> listened, the static would be deafening!
> 
> Wished I could have been home and on the air for this "experiment"!
> 
> 73 Gene, N9TF
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[Elecraft] Nothing heard

[Ken G Kopp]

Nothing heard here in Montana on 28050.0

Will continue to QSX

73!

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[EUGENE GABRY]

> On June 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> 
> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR

I think the key lesson we have learned here is, call CQ much, much more often 
then just watching spots and listening. If we all just watched spots and 
listened, the static would be deafening!

Wished I could have been home and on the air for this "experiment"!

73 Gene, N9TF
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[Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[John AE5X]

Well that was fun! Only time for one QSO and it was with Dale WA8SRA (K3, 500 
watts) whose signal got stronger as the QSO continued. I hope this is still 
going on later when I have more time to play. Nice to see 10m being opened by a 
reflector posting!

73 all,

John AE5X
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[Ken G Kopp]

The Farnsworth method is the best!

73

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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[KENT TRIMBLE]

I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."

I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday 
morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 
WPM and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I 
encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air" 
for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back 
to them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.


The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was 
the elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant 
doing away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for 
neophytes to find each other, work each other, and improve each other 
without feeling intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to 
motivate those who were desirous of deeper involvement in 
communications, and to give a graceful exit to those who weren't.


All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are 
simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work 
between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and 
how you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn 
about propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal 
paths, solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things 
that can't be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is 
executed or the content designed.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 9:43 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most 
suits them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. 
Finding the way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's 
helping them to learn efficiently.


Scott N9AA


On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
​I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and 
having

as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[David Bunte]

I only had a few minutes, and worked 5 stations. N8NN was my first. His
signal was actually only 559 but I gave him 599 before looking at the
meter. My noise level was VERY low this morning so several signals really
jumped out at me. Some were honest S-9 sigs... a real treat.

As near as I could tell at a glance, I was picked up by 6 or 7 skimmers,
from coast to coast, plus J68HZ & PJ2A.

I was running my KPA500 at about 450 watts, but my antenna is just a 30'
Flag Pole vertical, so it was a real treat to work anybody.

73 to all de Dave - K9FN

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bert Garcia N8NN 
wrote:

> Worked three, but band conditions are poor.  Wish that sunspot cycle would
> hurry up and peak again!
>
> Bert N8NN
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@
> mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:48 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector ; k...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now.
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>
> If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob”
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[wb6rse1]

Farnsworth.

http://www.justlearnmorsecode.com/farnsworth.html

73 - Steve WB6RSE
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Bill Brooks]

You guys are COOL. A flash mob on CW to open up an otherwise dead band.
 What a Wonderful idea, Wayne.

Bill, KE5OG


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington.
> Signal
> > was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the qso.
> >
> >
> >
> > Marv
> >
> > KG7V
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Bert Garcia N8NN]

Worked three, but band conditions are poor.  Wish that sunspot cycle would 
hurry up and peak again!

Bert N8NN

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Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

Hi all,

I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
(Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)

If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in 
A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[David Bunte]

Just worked 4 folks on 28.050... and am now moving to 28.052.

Dave - K9FN

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler 
wrote:

> Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington.
> Signal
> was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the qso.
>
>
>
> Marv
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Jim Allen]

One approach is to expand one's vocabulary.  You recognize CQ at almost any 
speed, because it is so familiar, as well as most "Q" signals, RST, BT, BK, 
etc.  

Hardly anyone needs to copy 5 letter groups these days like we did as Navy 
radiomen.

One fellow has provided this:

http://www.hamradioqrp.com/2016/11/get-used-to-common-stuff.html

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 

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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Wayne Burdick]

In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington. Signal
> was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the qso.
> 
> 
> 
> Marv
> 
> KG7V
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Kevin - K4VD]

Hello Scott. Out of all that you only quote the word coddling? I didn't say
anything about how someone else should learn Morse code (other than maybe
Just do it). I said how I learned it. Nothing fancy, nose to the
grindstone, learn by doing. It's just Morse code. It is not a new language.
It is a substitute for letters in our existing language. There's 26
letters, 10 numbers and a handful of prosigns. Not terribly complicated.

You seem to need a cause to fight for but it's not here. People do learn
things differently and I shared how I learned. That can't be changed.

Kev K4VD


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Scott Manthe 
wrote:

> How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits
> them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding the
> way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them to
> learn efficiently.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>
>> ​I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
>> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev
>> ​
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Marvin Wheeler]

Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington. Signal
was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.

 

Thanks for the qso.

 

Marv

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Wayne Burdick]

Worked KG7V just now. Thanks. Still on 28050.

Wayne


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Paul Kobetz  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:52 AM, 'kg9hfr...@gmail.com' kg9hfr...@gmail.com [KX3] 
>  wrote:
> 
>> KG9H here
>> 
>> > On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi all,
>> > 
>> > I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
>> > (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>> > 
>> > If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
>> > experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns 
>> > ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> > 
>> > Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>> > 
>> > 73,
>> > Wayne
>> > N6KR
>> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Marvin Wheeler]

I think there are three factors necessary to learning CW. All are important
and they are:

 

1.  Desire
2.  Patience
3.  Persistence

 

There is no other easy or quick way to achieve your goal.

 

Marv

KG7V

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Wayne Burdick]

I hear a few very weak sigs in there. My main antenna is offline so I’m using a 
rotatable dipole at 25’. I’ll be on for awhile.

And yes, this is an experiment in “opening the band” :)  Anyone should be able 
to do it. Name your time/place.

Wayne
N6KR

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:00 AM, kg9hfr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So I guess Wayne / Elecraft can “open the bands?”
> Just worked two folks on 28.050.06
> De KG9H
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
>> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>> 
>> If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
>> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending 
>> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> 
>> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] mic

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,6/11/2017 4:16 PM, Art Peters wrote:

The point that I'll say is that the Yamaha headset, which I did buy largely 
from your raving reviews, did a fine job, but were never as comfortable as my 
other headsets.  I do use them as a spare and for guest ops. In fact, if I wear 
them for more than a couple hours, I get a rather nasty headache...

So, I'd like to add to this conversation.  While we have great ability to 
leverage a wide variety of mics, for me at least, fit and comfort are equal.


I couldn't agree more.  I find my CM500 comfortable enough to wear for a 
long weekend contest (some run 40 hours!). But that's a VERY personal 
thing -- we're all different. So I would be last person to tell you 
what's comfy for me is also comfy for you. :)  In-ear headphones are 
even more "user-specific."


I also find Sony MDR7506 extremely comfortable, so much so that I wear 
these cans all night as I sleep to pump jazz into my head. :)


Several times over the years, I've tried on those expensive aviation 
headsets adapted for ham use, and each time found them an element of 
physical torture.


The weak spot of most headphones is that their cables are not 
replaceable. The Sony cables are quite rugged, and I've never had a set 
break, but I did buy a set at a hamfest for $5 with a bad cable, and was 
never able to find a replacement. :)  I'm not easy on headsets, and have 
managed to break the cables in two CM500s.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

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So I guess Wayne / Elecraft can “open the bands?”
Just worked two folks on 28.050.06
De KG9H


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
> 
> If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending 
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

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KG9H here

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
> 
> If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending 
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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[Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

I’m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. 
(Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)

If you’re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter “flash mob” 
experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in 
A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Scott Manthe]

How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits 
them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding 
the way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them 
to learn efficiently.


Scott N9AA


On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

​I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.

73,
Kev
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Re: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?

[ke9uw]

Mine doesn't rattle. It comes apart fairly easily to check why.



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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Kevin - K4VD]

​I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.

73,
Kev
​
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP]

Without going into too much detail (or extending this OT thread too 
much!), the way to get over the sub-12 wpm "hump" is to learn to copy 
short words and combinations of letters ("ing" "the" "out" etc.) as a 
unit, and not one character at a time.


One way to practice this is to use the well-known RUFZxp program 

and to tell it to use a list of such short words and pieces of words in 
place of callsigns. Such lists are available (google "rufzxp word list") 
already prepared. Then you set it to go a little faster than you can 
comfortably copy, and listen. When you recognize a word or piece of one, 
you can type it in. But wait until you've recognized the whole thing 
before starting to type.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
(A CWops CWA instructor)
On 12 Jun 2017 12:59, Rick M0LEP wrote:

I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW
QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the
KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get
better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though.
I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling
along at sub-12wpm.

I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was
sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk
swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental
approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.

I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have
worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to
find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise,
and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like
Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their
main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year
long.

At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down
to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an
experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some
local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then
practice, practice, practice...

and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.

On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:

I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.

Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
you will share?



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[Elecraft] NoGaQRP Rig Stands

[Richard Thorne]

I purchased a 30/60 radio stand from Paul, W4KLY last week.

The unit is very nice and does exactly what I wanted it to do, stack the 
PX3 above the KX3 which fits nicely on my operating desk.


For those not familiar with the stands (there are several different 
models) check out http://www.nogaqrp.org/projects/NoGaStand/index.html


Now to finish up the details for my first SOTA activation next week in NM.

Rich - N5ZC
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Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

[Richard Lamont]

On 11/06/17 22:41, Erik Basilier wrote:

> I don't have any suggestions for a solution beyond what others have already
> mentioned, but as a side note I would like to discuss the concept of "off
> frequency". 
> 
> It seems to me that these days, on the HF bands that I frequent, more and
> more people tune SSB to where the displayed frequency is on an 500 Hz
> boundary, and their rigs have sufficient frequency accuracy that excellent
> copyability results without any further adjustment. This approach is much
> faster than tuning by listening for most natural voice, which for me takes a
> few moments.
[snip]
> Now tuning SSB stations is a bit like tuning FM "channels". I am not 
> advocating
> "channelizing" the HF bands, as we should have the freedom to select our
> frequenciy according to the situation, but a lot of times, using a frequency
> ending in zeroes saves time and effort.

I agree with all of your post, including the bits I've snipped.

These days the majority of SSB signals are not just on exact multiples
of 500 Hz, but on multiples of 1 kHz too.

I see this evolutionary development as a big improvement over the old
analogue free-running LC VFO days, before digital readouts, when we
could neither measure nor control our frequencies to better than about
500 Hz. We needed the RIT just to cope with drift!

I am not advocating channelizing the HF bands either, as this would
curtail our freedom to an extent that is difficult to justify. However,
assuming a "channel" is 3 kHz wide, if we're working to multiples of 1
kHz, then we've already moved one third of the way to de-facto
channelization without even realising it!

Nowadays one the main sources of QRM is other stations exactly one or
two kHz away from us.

If as individuals we voluntarily choose frequencies that are exact
multiples of 3 kHz, then we can help to reduce this problem. It both
reduces QRM and makes for more efficient use of the spectrum.

The only Elecraft-specific aspect of this relates to CONFIG:VFO CRS,
where the available step sizes (for SSB) are 0.1, 0.5, 1.0 and 2.5 kHz.
It would be nice if 3.0 kHz could be added to this list in a future
firmware upgrade, and the selection made per-band as well as per-mode.

73,
Richard G4DYA
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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Rick M0LEP]

I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW 
QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the 
KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get 
better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though. 
I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling 
along at sub-12wpm.

I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was 
sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk 
swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental 
approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.

I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have 
worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to 
find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise, 
and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like 
Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their 
main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year 
long.

At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down 
to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an 
experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some 
local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then 
practice, practice, practice...

and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.

On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
> 
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
> you will share?

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
The Alchemist's Guild is opposite the Gambler's Guild. Usually.
Sometimes it's above it, or below it, or falling in bits around it.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Men At Arms)

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Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

[Erik Basilier]

I learned morse by copying from 78 rpm phongraph records, gradually
increasing the speed, but I believe modern methods based of Farnsworth are
far superior. 

My club asked me to think about how the club could conduct cw training. I
searched for resources online, and was very impressed when I found the cwops
program some time ago. Students must participate in a series of lessons
where they each both receive and transmit, always at 20 wpm, but with extra
space between characters a la Farnsworth. 3 courses are conducted each year,
via Skype, with students from around the globe. You can easily find that out
online, but here is some additional detail. I asked cwops if they would let
me teach their curriculum locally to our club members, with a time schedule
of our own choosing, and over an FM repeater rather than Skype. The answer
was yes. So, if their schedule doesn't fit you, do ask them, and maybe you
can get something going with your club. Neither instructor nor students need
to be or become cwops members. So far, nothing has come of these ideas in my
club. The requirements that students obtain paddles and keyers suitable for
sending at 20 wpm, and commit to attend the full series of lessons, may be a
strumbling block. Nevertheless I think the program looks great, and I would
be very interested to hear about the experiences of others that have
actually used the cwops program. 

Another thought: For copy practice, you want to listen to speeds faster than
what you are currently comfortable with. That can be frustrating if there is
no way to compare what you caught with the full and correct text. Here is a
way to get that access to the corect answer. Participate in a contest such
as Field Day, where a given station's exchange is the same for every qso.
Find a station using the desired speed that is running CQ on a frequency.
Listen to a few of his qso's until you have copied his callsign and exchange
information (something like 3A SFL, which stands for class 3A in the Section
of South Florida; you should already know the corresponding info for your
own station). Once you are at that point, give him a call when he is done
with a qso. You know that it is time to call him when he sends something
like QRZ or FD or CONTEST. Don't send his callsign, only your own, and don't
bother with K or BK or variations thereof. It is ok to send at a lower speed
as long as you don't send any unneeded info in addition to your callsign.
Once you hear him send your callsign, send your own exchange information.
Etc.  Repeats are often requested by AGN (send it all again) or CLS (send
your class) or SEC (send your section). The qso is over when both stations
have sent R or QSL or some equivalent. The whole qso is so short that you
don't need to send your own callsign again at the end; when you sent it at
the beginning, that also counts as the end. The fact that you can take
plenty of time to copy his information, and that the information is short
and follows a predictable pattern, makes you comfortable communicating at a
speed higher than your normal capability, and meanwhile your brain is
getting used to the sound of high speed morse. 

73,
Erik K7TV

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Yes, the best is

http://www.cwops.org/cwacademy.html

73 Dwight NS9I


On 6/11/2017 5:25 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I 
> hope you will share?
>
> To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs 
> Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron 
> burns, again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and 
> the price is amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.
>
> Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is 
> not for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried 
> hint in PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the 
> PA transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and 
> re-discovered that my micromanipulation skills are right up there with 
> my CW -- maybe better, which is damned depressing.
>
> So, any help mastering Morse?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Jim N3SZ
>

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