Re: [Elecraft] Keep getting BAT Err message

[Bob G3PJT]

Thanks very helpful. I just found the problem it was that the batteries were 
quite discharged and my charger PSU was a touch low in voltage. Seems OK now.
 
73 and thanks again
Bob G3PJT

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> On 31 May 2018, at 22:06, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Read the BAT ERR description on page 4 of the KXBC3 manual.
> 
> You may have to remove the batteries and check the terminal voltage of each 
> one with your DMM to determine if you have a bad one, or if all are possibly 
> fully charged.
> 
> Reloading software will not make any difference, but likely will not hurt 
> anything either.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/31/2018 4:51 PM, Bob G3PJT wrote:
>> When I try to charge the battery I get Bat err message and charging is
>> terminated. I have reloaded s/ware etc but no change.

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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

The Mac/Linux versions of KPA1500 utility are being worked on right now. We 
hope to have them out soon.

73,

Eric
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> On May 31, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Carl Yaffey  wrote:
> 
> I have a Mac. So, no utility program :(
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 12:00 PM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you also see the weird stuff on the KPA1500 Utility program on the 
>> "operate" tab?
>> N2TK, Tony
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3x Reliability? How many have been returned for repair?

[Don Wilhelm]

Gerald,

The cost of repair varies depending on the problem.  Most repairs can be 
accomplished within 2 hours labor at $99.00 per hour.


73,
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On 5/31/2018 7:46 PM, Gerald Capodieci wrote:

What is the average cost of repair? This is for radio problems/failures not
for operator damage.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Nr4c]

You have abat-charger/rtc not a battery. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 31, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:
> 
> Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8 NiMh 
> cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in mine.
> 
> Michael Blake
> k9...@mac.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
>> 
>> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
>> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
>> 
>> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
>> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
>> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
>> be some note about that.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3x Reliability? How many have been returned for repair?

[N4OI - Ken]

They break???





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[Elecraft] K3x Reliability? How many have been returned for repair?

[Gerald Capodieci]

What is the average cost of repair? This is for radio problems/failures not
for operator damage.

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[Elecraft] Cause of KPA1500 SWR bar graph fluctuations identified & fixed

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

As we suspected, the SWR bar graph fluctuations observed by some KPA1500 owners 
were caused by an algorithmic anomaly in the firmware. This has been fixed. A 
few of our field testers will be checking out the new firmware for a couple of 
days before we do a wider release.

Thanks for your patience.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Make sure the NiMH cells are "precharged" types.  They're 
low-self-discharge.


Standard NiMH will run down by themselves rather quickly.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/31/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I will also vouch for the PAE KX33 power supply, it is ideal for the 
KX2, KX3 or the K2/10.


If you are running a KX3 with a PX3, Pro Audio Engineering has a "Y" 
cable that powers both from the same supply.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
You can also power the KX3 from an external 9-15 V battery pack (e.g. 
our KXBT2 & its fast charger) or a power supply. One popular supply:


    https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/

73,
Wayne
N6KR




On May 31, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:

Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 
8 NiMh cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo 
Eneloops in mine.


Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 







On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:

Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.

I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the 
battery
fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there 
would

be some note about that.

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
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Re: [Elecraft] Keep getting BAT Err message

[rich hurd WC3T]

I'd swap out the batteries and then go through the procedure that Don
recommends.

Dumb question; they are all NiMH, right?  Hopefully Eneloop or a similar
marque?

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 17:06 Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Read the BAT ERR description on page 4 of the KXBC3 manual.
>
> You may have to remove the batteries and check the terminal voltage of
> each one with your DMM to determine if you have a bad one, or if all are
> possibly fully charged.
>
> Reloading software will not make any difference, but likely will not
> hurt anything either.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/31/2018 4:51 PM, Bob G3PJT wrote:
> > When I try to charge the battery I get Bat err message and charging is
> > terminated. I have reloaded s/ware etc but no change.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Don Wilhelm]

I will also vouch for the PAE KX33 power supply, it is ideal for the 
KX2, KX3 or the K2/10.


If you are running a KX3 with a PX3, Pro Audio Engineering has a "Y" 
cable that powers both from the same supply.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

You can also power the KX3 from an external 9-15 V battery pack (e.g. our KXBT2 
& its fast charger) or a power supply. One popular supply:

https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/

73,
Wayne
N6KR




On May 31, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:

Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8 NiMh 
cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in mine.

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 







On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:

Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.

I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
be some note about that.

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Autoinfo speed - different with USB?

[gt-i]

Don,
ok, thank you. That clarifies the issue. Would be nice to hear from the 
Elecrafters if there are any firmware changes possible to improve the 
IF-message timing.
If not: I already had the idea to implement a frequency counter which 
measures the VFO's frequency, connects to the RS-232 output and combines 
the two into a super-responsive frequency status message generator :-)

Anybody interested? Then maybe I'll give it a try.
73 Gernot DF5RF


Am 31.05.2018 um 23:12 schrieb Don Wilhelm:

Gernot,

The USB interface will not change anything unless your computer 
changes something at its end.


Realize that the K3S or K3 with the USB interface still runs 
internally with RS-232.  The USB interface simply moves the FTDI 
adapter chip inside the K3/K3S.  You still have to identify the COM 
port that is assigned by the computer to your software applications.


Oh yes, a soundcard chip is also added.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:58 PM, g...@gmx.net wrote:

Hi all,
at the WinTest-reflector people asked why the K3 does not appear 
"smooth" in the band map as another vendor's TRX.

I made some tests and found out the following, see below.
Now my question: will the new USB-Interface change that timing behavior?

tnx, 73, Gernot DF5RF





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Autoinfo speed - different with USB?

[Don Wilhelm]

Gernot,

The USB interface will not change anything unless your computer changes 
something at its end.


Realize that the K3S or K3 with the USB interface still runs internally 
with RS-232.  The USB interface simply moves the FTDI adapter chip 
inside the K3/K3S.  You still have to identify the COM port that is 
assigned by the computer to your software applications.


Oh yes, a soundcard chip is also added.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:58 PM, g...@gmx.net wrote:

Hi all,
at the WinTest-reflector people asked why the K3 does not appear 
"smooth" in the band map as another vendor's TRX.

I made some tests and found out the following, see below.
Now my question: will the new USB-Interface change that timing behavior?

tnx, 73, Gernot DF5RF

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Re: [Elecraft] Keep getting BAT Err message

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

Read the BAT ERR description on page 4 of the KXBC3 manual.

You may have to remove the batteries and check the terminal voltage of 
each one with your DMM to determine if you have a bad one, or if all are 
possibly fully charged.


Reloading software will not make any difference, but likely will not 
hurt anything either.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2018 4:51 PM, Bob G3PJT wrote:

When I try to charge the battery I get Bat err message and charging is
terminated. I have reloaded s/ware etc but no change.

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Jim Brown]

On 5/31/2018 1:14 PM, Michael Blake wrote:

Are you sure that it is not the K3(s) itself that has unstable output power.  I 
see this occur on my KPA500 and it is not getting hot.


Me too.

Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[K9MA]

Absolutely. I have never seen such fluctuations of either output or grid 
current with my other amplifiers. 

Scott K9MA 

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> On May 31, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:
> 
> Are you sure that it is not the K3(s) itself that has unstable output power.  

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Michael Murphy]

Be careful opening the KX-3.  There is a ribbon cable in there that remains
attached when you open the unit.

Mike - KI8R

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:

> DOH!!!
>
> I have Sony Enloops at home :-)
>
> LOL.  Have a great evening!
>
> 73,
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:
>
> > Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8
> > NiMh cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in
> > mine.
> >
> > Michael Blake
> > k9...@mac.com 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> >
> > Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
> > I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
> >
> > I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
> > Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the
> battery
> > fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
> > be some note about that.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
> > Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
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[Elecraft] K3 Autoinfo speed - different with USB?

[gt-i]

Hi all,
at the WinTest-reflector people asked why the K3 does not appear 
"smooth" in the band map as another vendor's TRX.

I made some tests and found out the following, see below.
Now my question: will the new USB-Interface change that timing behavior?

tnx, 73, Gernot DF5RF



I just checked, here is my result:
K3 (FW 5.6)
set AutoInfo to 1: K3 sends out IF-msgs while moving the VFO knob,
even
on 10Hz changes.
The K3 rather slows down message output to about one second,
whatever you'll do with the VFO knob. The timing behavior is
identical to Autoinfo=2.
set AutoInfo to 2: K3 sends out FA/FB messages, WT does not react
to them

KX3: (FW 2.9)
same as K3

K2: (FW 2.04)
same as K3, except it only sends messages after the VFO knob stops
with
a delay of about 1-2 seconds.

Gernot, DF5RF



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[Elecraft] Keep getting BAT Err message

[Bob G3PJT]

When I try to charge the battery I get Bat err message and charging is
terminated. I have reloaded s/ware etc but no change.
Any ideas ?
Thanks 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Gerry Hull]

DOH!!!

I have Sony Enloops at home :-)

LOL.  Have a great evening!

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:

> Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8
> NiMh cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in
> mine.
>
> Michael Blake
> k9...@mac.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
>
> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
>
> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
> be some note about that.
>
> 73,
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Wayne Burdick]

You can also power the KX3 from an external 9-15 V battery pack (e.g. our KXBT2 
& its fast charger) or a power supply. One popular supply:

   https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On May 31, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Blake  wrote:
> 
> Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8 NiMh 
> cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in mine.
> 
> Michael Blake
> k9...@mac.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
>> 
>> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
>> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
>> 
>> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
>> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
>> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
>> be some note about that.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
>> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Grant Youngman]

And if you can’t find Eneloops locally and have to order batteries on line, and 
don’t want to wait, just open it up and put in 8 standard AA cells.  It will 
work fine.  Just don’t turn on the charger :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

> On May 31, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> First, it designed to use NiMH batteries, not NiCads.  Second, batteries are 
> not included.
> 
> I’d suggest Panasonic Eneloop Pros, but others have different preferences.  
> Whatever.  
> 
> Grant NQ5T
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> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
>> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
>> 
>> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
>> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
>> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
>> be some note about that.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
>> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Grant Youngman]

First, it designed to use NiMH batteries, not NiCads.  Second, batteries are 
not included.

I’d suggest Panasonic Eneloop Pros, but others have different preferences.  
Whatever.  

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342

> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> 
> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
> 
> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
> be some note about that.
> 
> 73,
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Michael Blake]

Gerry, the option does not come with cells.  You will have to install 8 NiMh 
cells into the pack.  I use the highly recommended Sanyo Eneloops in mine.

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 






> On May 31, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Gerry Hull  wrote:
> 
> Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
> I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.
> 
> I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
> Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
> fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
> be some note about that.
> 
> 73,
> 
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[Elecraft] KX3 Newbie question...

[Gerry Hull]

Here I am at work, my KX3 arrived, and I opened the box.
I had ordered the assembled radio with the NiCad/RTC option.

I presume I can wait till I get home.. But,
Quick question: The radio does not turn on.  Does it come with the battery
fully discharged, disconnected or what?  I would have thought there would
be some note about that.

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Michael Blake]

Are you sure that it is not the K3(s) itself that has unstable output power.  I 
see this occur on my KPA500 and it is not getting hot.

Michael Blake
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> On May 31, 2018, at 4:09 PM, K9MA  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Rick:  A way to slowly adjust the drive power automatically to 
> maintain constant peak output would solve the problem. I'd think the KPA1500 
> firmware could do this with the K3 via the accessory cable. Probably the K3 
> should revert to its original output when the KPA1500 is cold, or power would 
> initially overshoot.  Better yet if the amp could remember drive power for 
> each band as a function of temperature. 
> 
> While it's annoying to have to keep fiddling with the power control, I can 
> understand that there are higher priorities now. 
> 
> 73,
> Scott K9MA 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
>> 
>> I've seen some gain drift with temperature, too. I've wondered if there
>> might be a way to feed back drive power change requests to a K3, or other
>> radio with adequate command capabilities, to maintain a target output power
>> (say, 1500w) as the amp warms and cools. This should be done slowly - on
>> the order of seconds, not milliseconds like ALC. KPA1500 Utility knows its
>> output power and could be programmed to generate the requests. I don't know
>> how to get commands into a K3 that has its serial port connected to a
>> logging program. There are some port-sharing tools out there that might
>> work, but I'm not familiar with them. In any case, it would require some
>> engineering at Elecraft. In the meantime, I keep an eye on output and tweak
>> the drive manually to stay both powerful and legal.
>> 
>> /Rick N6XI
>> 
>> 
>> Rick Tavan
>> Truckee, CA
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:01 AM, j...@kk9a.com  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My KPA500 also has slightly inconsistent output. If I recall output drops
>>> a little after the first few seconds of key down. Perhaps it is normal for
>>> solid state amps as I have never noticed this with a tube amp. This may be
>>> more of a concern with a legal limit amp if you want to keep it as close
>>> to 1500 watts without going over.
>>> 
>>> John KK9A
>>> 
>>> Bill Stravinsky k3wjv wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I
>>> got the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere
>>> between 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers.
>>> BillK3WJV
>>> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.
>>> 
>>>   On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA >> sdellington.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the
>>> the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with
>>> temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of
>>> 1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the
>>> temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in
>>> antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from
>>> 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't
>>> changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Scott K9MA
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[K9MA]

I agree with Rick:  A way to slowly adjust the drive power automatically to 
maintain constant peak output would solve the problem. I'd think the KPA1500 
firmware could do this with the K3 via the accessory cable. Probably the K3 
should revert to its original output when the KPA1500 is cold, or power would 
initially overshoot.  Better yet if the amp could remember drive power for each 
band as a function of temperature. 

While it's annoying to have to keep fiddling with the power control, I can 
understand that there are higher priorities now. 

73,
Scott K9MA 



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 --- via iPad

> On May 31, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> I've seen some gain drift with temperature, too. I've wondered if there
> might be a way to feed back drive power change requests to a K3, or other
> radio with adequate command capabilities, to maintain a target output power
> (say, 1500w) as the amp warms and cools. This should be done slowly - on
> the order of seconds, not milliseconds like ALC. KPA1500 Utility knows its
> output power and could be programmed to generate the requests. I don't know
> how to get commands into a K3 that has its serial port connected to a
> logging program. There are some port-sharing tools out there that might
> work, but I'm not familiar with them. In any case, it would require some
> engineering at Elecraft. In the meantime, I keep an eye on output and tweak
> the drive manually to stay both powerful and legal.
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee, CA
> 
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:01 AM, j...@kk9a.com  wrote:
>> 
>> My KPA500 also has slightly inconsistent output. If I recall output drops
>> a little after the first few seconds of key down. Perhaps it is normal for
>> solid state amps as I have never noticed this with a tube amp. This may be
>> more of a concern with a legal limit amp if you want to keep it as close
>> to 1500 watts without going over.
>> 
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> Bill Stravinsky k3wjv wrote:
>> 
>> Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I
>> got the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere
>> between 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers.
>> BillK3WJV
>> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.
>> 
>>On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA > sdellington.us> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the
>> the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with
>> temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of
>> 1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the
>> temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in
>> antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from
>> 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't
>> changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Scott K9MA
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 Update Breaks COM Port for K3 & P3 Utilities

[Rich]

Another issue to check once you get your USB sound going. Windows Sound 
>  Recording > Advanced - make sure you have a 2 channel device 
format.  Mine was 1 channel (mono) when I reinstalled the drivers.


Rich
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB Drivers

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

There is a difference between security packages and bug fixes and upgrades.

Security patches are important in our highly-networked world.

When an "upgrade" affects functionality, that is unacceptable.

The typical Windows 10 upgrade is twice the size of the typical Linux 
distribution.


Android at least does this mostly-right.  A major upgrade requires 
permission, security patches don't.  This isn't always true of 
applications.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/31/2018 12:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

When I buy a computer and an operating system, who owns it?  Does it belong to 
he who bought and paid for it, or does it continue to belong to the company 
that produced it?  Windows is not alone in this.  Mac OS has its own version of 
forcing unrequested and often unauthorized updates, as is Samsung / Android or 
whoever makes those systems.  Updates are installed at the producer's election, 
and as often as not in my experience with all three systems they disable or 
scramble the functions of some application I had been relying on.

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[Elecraft] K3 USB Drivers

[Dauer, Edward]

 This may be an instance of a much larger problem, one that has been discussed 
with regard to automobiles and light machinery among other environments of 
computer-type programming.  It is, I suggest, a problem as much jurisprudential 
as electronic.

When I buy a computer and an operating system, who owns it?  Does it belong to 
he who bought and paid for it, or does it continue to belong to the company 
that produced it?  Windows is not alone in this.  Mac OS has its own version of 
forcing unrequested and often unauthorized updates, as is Samsung / Android or 
whoever makes those systems.  Updates are installed at the producer's election, 
and as often as not in my experience with all three systems they disable or 
scramble the functions of some application I had been relying on.

I don't recall granting permission to any of the operating system producers to 
enter my computer unacknowledged and change it, however benevolent their 
purpose may be.  It is not a stretch in my mind to say that this is not much 
different from an automobile maker keeping the keys to the car I bought, 
finding it in my garage and entering it some night, and changing the color of 
the upholstery without my knowledge or consent.  Absurd, right?  From a 
macro-legal point of view, it's not a bad analogy.

And then the complaints are met with silence.  If a fix is offered, the user 
has to go hunting for it.  No-one has ever told me that they patched something 
they fouled up.  Elecraft itself it very different.  Updates are announced; 
they are optional; the changes they make are described; and when a bug appears, 
the discussion even by the company owners is prompt and responsive.  My ire is 
directed rather at the Big Three of the nether world.

Users of the world unite!!

Ted (normally not at all revolutionary but really quite annoyed), KN1CBR
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 01:09:30 -0700
From: Jim Brown 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers
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On 5/31/2018 12:33 AM, Ian White wrote:
> I didn't realise that Win10 Home lacked those update controls, so my
> report applies to Pro users only.

Win10 64K Pro is running on the machine I'm using for my engineering 
work, tech writing, and email, and I've not been able to tame its 
updating. Can you please help me find these settings? I'm losing stuff 
when Win10 asks if I want to update, doesn't get a reply, so does it. 
AAARGH!

73, Jim K9YC


 

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Re: [Elecraft] LCD issue

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

Carl,
That looks like RFI into the CPU.
Mel, K6KBE

  From: Carl Yaffey 
 To: Elecraft Reflector  
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 11:20 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] LCD issue
   
Again, running 1000w on 6m and lcd goes haywire occasionally. 
See  http://www.carl-yaffey.com/lcd.html 


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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Carl Yaffey]

I have a Mac. So, no utility program :(


> On May 31, 2018, at 12:00 PM, N2TK, Tony  wrote:
> 
> Do you also see the weird stuff on the KPA1500 Utility program on the 
> "operate" tab?
> N2TK, Tony
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Carl Yaffey]

The junk changes while transmitting (FT8). Pretty sure it’s RF.



> On May 31, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Mel Farrer  wrote:
> 
> Question, did the pattern on the LCD "move with modulation"? RFI, bad 
> grounding??
> 
> Mel, K6KBE 
> 
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[Elecraft] LCD issue

[Carl Yaffey]

Again, running 1000w on 6m and lcd goes haywire occasionally. 
See  http://www.carl-yaffey.com/lcd.html 


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Rick Tavan]

I've seen some gain drift with temperature, too. I've wondered if there
might be a way to feed back drive power change requests to a K3, or other
radio with adequate command capabilities, to maintain a target output power
(say, 1500w) as the amp warms and cools. This should be done slowly - on
the order of seconds, not milliseconds like ALC. KPA1500 Utility knows its
output power and could be programmed to generate the requests. I don't know
how to get commands into a K3 that has its serial port connected to a
logging program. There are some port-sharing tools out there that might
work, but I'm not familiar with them. In any case, it would require some
engineering at Elecraft. In the meantime, I keep an eye on output and tweak
the drive manually to stay both powerful and legal.

/Rick N6XI


Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:01 AM, j...@kk9a.com  wrote:

> My KPA500 also has slightly inconsistent output. If I recall output drops
> a little after the first few seconds of key down. Perhaps it is normal for
> solid state amps as I have never noticed this with a tube amp. This may be
> more of a concern with a legal limit amp if you want to keep it as close
> to 1500 watts without going over.
>
> John KK9A
>
> Bill Stravinsky k3wjv wrote:
>
>  Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I
> got the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere
> between 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers.
> BillK3WJV
> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.
>
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  sdellington.us> wrote:
>
>  I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the
> the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with
> temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of
> 1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the
> temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in
> antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from
> 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't
> changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott K9MA
>
> --
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>
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[j...@kk9a.com]

My KPA500 also has slightly inconsistent output. If I recall output drops
a little after the first few seconds of key down. Perhaps it is normal for
solid state amps as I have never noticed this with a tube amp. This may be
more of a concern with a legal limit amp if you want to keep it as close
to 1500 watts without going over.

John KK9A

Bill Stravinsky k3wjv wrote:

 Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I
got the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere
between 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers.
BillK3WJV
p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  wrote:

 I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the
the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with
temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of
1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the
temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in
antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from
1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't
changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?

73,

Scott K9MA

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Don Butler]

I have experienced power level changes with s/n 45 since day one.  I had 
envisioned setting the K3s config to ‘power per band’, adjusting the power 
level to just below 1500 watts on each band, and then being able to switch 
bands and magically find that the power level is still sitting exactly where I 
left it ….. but no deal … typically, after I return to a band where the level 
had previously been right at 1500 watts, the first couple transmissions (CW) 
will often jump up to 1600-1700 watts …. It drops a little after the first 
couple dits, but I almost always have to readjust and crank down the drive 
power   so I now crank down the drive and readjust every time I change 
bands ….. not what I had hoped for …  and yes,  I also see small decreases in 
power level as the temperature increases as others have noted.

Don, N5LZ


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From: K9MA
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:42 AM
To: Paul Baldock
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

Yes, turning the drive up a bit restores the output to 1500 W.

I haven't recorded it, but drive seems fairly flat band to band. (The K3, of 
course, saves the drive levels for each band.)

73,
Scott K9MA 

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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Paul Baldock  wrote:
> 
> Can you safely increase the drive to get it back to 1500W?
> 
> Another question: Is the drive requirement (amp gain) pretty flat from band 
> to band?
> 
> - Paul  KW7Y
> 
> At 08:10 AM 5/31/2018, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>> Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I got 
>> the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere between 
>> 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers. BillK3WJV 
>> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing. On Wednesday, May 30, 
>> 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  wrote:  I'm using the K3 
>> with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the the CW drive power 
>> required by mine varies considerably, both with temperature and SWR.  If I 
>> set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of 1500 W output initially, the 
>> output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the temperature stabilizes at around 
>> 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar 
>> change occurs if the SWR goes from 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or 
>> switching antennas.  I haven't changed the ALC from the default setting.  
>> Has anyone else noticed this? 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott  K9MA 
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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[N2TK, Tony]

Do you also see the weird stuff on the KPA1500 Utility program on the "operate" 
tab?
N2TK, Tony

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To: K9MA 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

OK. I’m not alone! Hi hi


> On May 31, 2018, at 11:43 AM, K9MA  wrote:
> 
> I observed some weird display stuff while testing the ATU on, I believe, 10 
> meters. Reset didn't clear it, cycling power did. Happened a couple times. 
> 
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
> 
> --
> 
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> 
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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Mel Farrer via Elecraft]

Question, did the pattern on the LCD "move with modulation"? RFI, bad 
grounding??
Mel, K6KBE 

  From: Carl Yaffey 
 To: K9MA  
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd
   
OK. I’m not alone! Hi hi


> On May 31, 2018, at 11:43 AM, K9MA  wrote:
> 
> I observed some weird display stuff while testing the ATU on, I believe, 10 
> meters. Reset didn't clear it, cycling power did. Happened a couple times. 
> 
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
> 
> --
> 
> Scott Ellington
> 
> --- via iPad
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Carl Yaffey]

OK. I’m not alone! Hi hi


> On May 31, 2018, at 11:43 AM, K9MA  wrote:
> 
> I observed some weird display stuff while testing the ATU on, I believe, 10 
> meters. Reset didn't clear it, cycling power did. Happened a couple times. 
> 
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
> 
> --
> 
> Scott Ellington
> 
> --- via iPad
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[K9MA]

I observed some weird display stuff while testing the ATU on, I believe, 10 
meters. Reset didn't clear it, cycling power did. Happened a couple times. 

73,
Scott K9MA

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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Carl Yaffey  wrote:
> 
> Again, calling CQ on 6m, power around 1000. Various junk on LCD. Attaching 
> picture assuming that’s allowed.
> 
> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[K9MA]

Yes, turning the drive up a bit restores the output to 1500 W.

I haven't recorded it, but drive seems fairly flat band to band. (The K3, of 
course, saves the drive levels for each band.)

73,
Scott K9MA 

--

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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Paul Baldock  wrote:
> 
> Can you safely increase the drive to get it back to 1500W?
> 
> Another question: Is the drive requirement (amp gain) pretty flat from band 
> to band?
> 
> - Paul  KW7Y
> 
> At 08:10 AM 5/31/2018, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
>> Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I got 
>> the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere between 
>> 100 to maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers. BillK3WJV 
>> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing. On Wednesday, May 30, 
>> 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  wrote:  I'm using the K3 
>> with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the the CW drive power 
>> required by mine varies considerably, both with temperature and SWR.  If I 
>> set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of 1500 W output initially, the 
>> output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the temperature stabilizes at around 
>> 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar 
>> change occurs if the SWR goes from 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or 
>> switching antennas.  I haven't changed the ALC from the default setting.  
>> Has anyone else noticed this? 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott  K9MA 
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[Elecraft] More on KPA1500 lcd

[Carl Yaffey]

Again, calling CQ on 6m, power around 1000. Various junk on LCD. Attaching 
picture assuming that’s allowed.

Carl Yaffey  K8NU

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[K9MA]

Yes, it does sound like a solid-state thing.  Not enough negative feedback?  It 
may be a reason NOT to run the fans continuously: Once it reaches 60 C, the fan 
control keeps the temperature fairly stable. 

73,
Scott K9MA 

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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Bill Stravinsky  wrote:
> 
> Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I got 
> the solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere between 
> 100 to maybe 300 watts.
> I never really noted the exact numbers.
> 
> Bill
> K3WJV
> 
> p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.
> 
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the 
> the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with 
> temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of 
> 1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the 
> temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in 
> antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from 
> 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't 
> changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Scott K9MA
> 
> -- 
> Scott  K9MA
> 
> k...@sdellington.us
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Paul Baldock]

Can you safely increase the drive to get it back to 1500W?

Another question: Is the drive requirement (amp 
gain) pretty flat from band to band?


- Paul  KW7Y

At 08:10 AM 5/31/2018, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote:
 Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops 
some.  Even though I'm glad I got the solid 
state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop 
is anywhere between 100 to maybe 300 watts.I 
never really noted the exact numbers. BillK3WJV 
p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state 
thing. On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 
PM EDT, K9MA  wrote:  I'm 
using the K3 with the Elecraft interface 
cable.  I've noticed the the CW drive power 
required by mine varies considerably, both with 
temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output 
for a KPA1500 output of 1500 W output 
initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 
W when the temperature stabilizes at around 65 
C.  (I've ruled out any change in antenna 
impedance, etc.)Â  A similar change occurs if 
the SWR goes from 1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing 
frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't 
changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has 
anyone else noticed this? 73, Scott K9MA -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Drive Power

[Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft]

 Yup, as the temp climbs the output drops some.  Even though I'm glad I got the 
solid state amp I still prefer tubes, hi.  The drop is anywhere between 100 to 
maybe 300 watts.I never really noted the exact numbers.
BillK3WJV
p.s. I'm thinking its a normal solid state thing.

On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 4:23:47 PM EDT, K9MA  
wrote:  
 
 I'm using the K3 with the Elecraft interface cable.  I've noticed the 
the CW drive power required by mine varies considerably, both with 
temperature and SWR.  If I set the K3 output for a KPA1500 output of 
1500 W output initially, the output will drop to perhaps 1100 W when the 
temperature stabilizes at around 65 C.  (I've ruled out any change in 
antenna impedance, etc.)  A similar change occurs if the SWR goes from 
1:1 to 1.2:1 when changing frequency or switching antennas.  I haven't 
changed the ALC from the default setting.  Has anyone else noticed this?

73,

Scott K9MA

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[Elecraft] KPA1500 issue

[Carl Yaffey]

While calling CQ in 6m, I glanced at the LCD and saw that it was lit up but 
blank. Pushing edit and status didn’t restore it. Turning off and back on did. 
??

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers

[Ian White]

Jim,

Apologies, I am about to go away from the office/shack computers for
a few days, but my posting on Wednesday already tells everything I
know. The route to the settings is in the penultimate paragraph.

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-Original Message-
>From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
>boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
>Sent: 31 May 2018 09:10
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers
>
>On 5/31/2018 12:33 AM, Ian White wrote:
>> I didn't realise that Win10 Home lacked those update controls, so
my
>> report applies to Pro users only.
>
>Win10 64K Pro is running on the machine I'm using for my
engineering
>work, tech writing, and email, and I've not been able to tame its
>updating. Can you please help me find these settings? I'm losing
stuff
>when Win10 asks if I want to update, doesn't get a reply, so does
it.
>AAARGH!
>
>73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers

[Clay Autery]

ONE way is to go to:

Settings --> Update and Security -->  Windows Update (default)

Click on "Active Hours" and set those times how you want them. Windows 
will not auto-restart during those times.


Additionally/Alternatively...

Click on "Advanced Options" from the same place and turn ON the switch 
for "Pause Updates".  This will pause updates for UP TO 35 days.  The 
text there will tell you the exact date a pause will cease IF you don't 
turn it off sooner.


Also, turn on "We'll show a reminder..." switch on Advanced Settings to 
get additional warnings PRIOR to auto-download and restarts.


You could ALSO make sure "Semi Annual" is selected rather than 
"Semi-Annual (Targeted)".  THIS will slow the major updates down some so 
that maybe the big stuff will be fixed before you are force fed the 
major version updates.



IF you want to stop updates altogether and ONLY manually get them when 
you want them (not recommended for the NON-OCD or forgetful among us), 
set your network connection to "Metered".


Here is an article that outlines how to do it on either a wireless or 
and wired connection, AND Windows stores sepearte info for EACH 
network... So if you set your home wireless or wired connection to 
metered, you aren't supposed to get NAY updates UNLESS you do a MANUAL 
"get".


https://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/

+++

BUT, IF you JUST want to stop the auto-reboots  Then set Active 
Hours for a 23 hour period... leaving an hour during known sleep or 
non-use times when the system can reboot to finish installs.


Hope this helps...

73,

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On 05/31/18 03:09, Jim Brown wrote:

On 5/31/2018 12:33 AM, Ian White wrote:

I didn't realise that Win10 Home lacked those update controls, so my
report applies to Pro users only.


Win10 64K Pro is running on the machine I'm using for my engineering 
work, tech writing, and email, and I've not been able to tame its 
updating. Can you please help me find these settings? I'm losing stuff 
when Win10 asks if I want to update, doesn't get a reply, so does it. 
AAARGH!


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Potential Solution for: Windows 10 USB problems after UPDATE(AKA: K3s USB/Driver issues)

[Clay Autery]

OK I think these are ALL the links needed to get all the stuff I used...

Essentially, you want to use USB Oblivion, Ghostbuster, USB View, an 
Enviroment Variable change to show unconnected devices, et al to make 
visible what you need to see AND to allow you to CLEARLY identify which 
devices need to be uninstalled. Ghostbuster has the additional function 
of IDing other stuff too.  You want to be VERY sure you aren't deleting 
something you don't want to delete or you CAN hose the installation of 
the OS entirely  There are a number of things I don't touch...  Use 
Google search and read if you aren't sure.  The VID/PID listing will 
help you ID devices with crappy descriptions bu IDing the manufacturer 
(Vendor ID/VID) and product (PID).


NOTE: Connect ALL critical USB components before starting EXCEPT the 
devices that aren't working properly.  THEN, don't uninstall any 
connected devices.  IF you have multiple configs on different ports for 
the SMAE device, THIS should help ID which is where and which to 
delete.  Delete ALL instances of NON-working devices HOPEFULLY, 
doing so will allow a FRESH install of the non-working device that will 
function properly.


http://www.thewindowsclub.com/usboblivion-remove-usb-traces-windows

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/a-ghostbuster-for-your-windows-7

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/show-non-present-devices-windows

http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/pstools

https://wvd-vegt.bitbucket.io/

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/usbview

You'll need to become familiar with how it all works  Win 10 DEVICE 
MANAGER is your friend.  The "Details" tab on each device entry will 
give you a way to cross check each device in the tools I listed above to 
VERIFY if you want to uninstall a device.  While the tools have varying 
ability to do this automated in and in mass fashion, I ONLY used Device 
Manager to do the uninstalls.  One of the articles shows how to set an 
Environment Variable in "Advanced System Settings--->Environment 
Variables that allows DEVICE MANAGER to display disconnected devices.  
THEN, in Device Manager you set it to "SHow Hidden Devices".  NOW, it 
will show everything.  Then use primarily Ghostbuster (download at Swiss 
Tools) (use the installable version, the portable version isn't as 
feature filled.) to identify candidates...  cross check with the other 
tools AND the Details tab on Device Manager... Then, decide if you want 
to uninstall, and then uninstall... ONE at a time!!!


In general  don't uninstall any "hubs" even if they aren't 
connected.  There will be an entry probably for every flash drive or 
card reader EVER connected.  Certain devices if they were plugged into 
multiple ports will have multiple entries.
USBVIEW from Microsoft via the SDK Tools, will show you a GREAT 
hierarchical layout of the ENTIRE USB tree established from last OS 
install.


Hope this helps a little...  I had 237 entries on Ghostbuster of all 
type devices  82 of them were NOT connected.  I ended up deleting 
some 70+ devices...


As a side note  my computer sped up quite a bit I deleted at 
least ONE thing I probably shouldn't have and it caused my USB Audio 
Codec entries to be re-enumerated and dumped the title and custom icon 
on it It happened to be one of my VNWA USB Codecs and VNWA chose the 
wrong two on next startup Chose two from my Mackie Pre-Amp USB 
audion interface  Took me about 20 minutes to figure it out and 
re-set it up but the ones it created WERE still there.



PS - Have NO IDEA if this cleanup will fix anything for those of y'all 
who are having issues... My system was working perfectly before and now.


BUT, I suspect that uninstalling the disconnected entries of NON-working 
USB devices will pave the way for a working FRESH install.


Going on 2 all-nighters in a row... I am going to sleep now.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers

[Jim Brown]

On 5/31/2018 12:33 AM, Ian White wrote:

I didn't realise that Win10 Home lacked those update controls, so my
report applies to Pro users only.


Win10 64K Pro is running on the machine I'm using for my engineering 
work, tech writing, and email, and I've not been able to tame its 
updating. Can you please help me find these settings? I'm losing stuff 
when Win10 asks if I want to update, doesn't get a reply, so does it. 
AAARGH!


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers

[Ian White]

I didn't realise that Win10 Home lacked those update controls, so my
report applies to Pro users only. 

73 from Ian GM3SEK

>-Original Message-
>From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
>boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>Sent: 30 May 2018 18:54
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers
>
>Unfortunately the update options you refer to are not available in
the
>"Windows 10 Home" version that most people have.
>
>73,
>Victor, 4X6GP
>Rehovot, Israel
>Formerly K2VCO
>CWops no. 5
>http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
>On 30/05/2018 10:27, Ian White wrote:
>> The functions that are lost can vary, depending on the Win10
subtype
>and the installed software.
>>
>> With my system - Win10 pro 32-bit, two K3s with KIO3B USB cards,
>and VSPE port forwarding - all of the rig control functions worked
as
>before but the two soundcard interfaces did not. Win10 reported
both
>interfaces running OK with the latest driver already in place, and
>offered no option to roll back to the previous driver.
>>
>> The next step would normally be to uninstall the sound interface,
and
>then restart and allow Windows to search for and install the latest
>drivers; but this only installed the same driver as before.
>>
>> My interim solution has been to roll back the entire Windows
update,
>so everything now works as it did two days ago.
>>
>> For the future, I have set the update options for all so-called
"feature
>updates"  to the more restrictive "Semi-Annual Channel" option
>(meaning, don't update until the update is claimed to be ready for
>widespread deployment in organizations) and with a further delay
>period of 180 days.
>>
>> However, the so-called "quality updates" that include new
security
>features remain at their default setting of 0 days (meaning,
"install
>immediately").
>>
>> All of these options are accessible through Settings - Update &
>Security - Windows Update. For rollback of an existing update,
choose
>Update History - Uninstall Updates. For future updates, choose
>Advanced Options.
>>
>> None of this has involved the radio gear; it has been purely a
>Windows10 issue.
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
>>> boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich
>>> Sent: 30 May 2018 05:16
>>> To: Elecraft
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB Drivers
>>>
>>> I have been seeing this discussion about downloading the
Elecraft
>USB
>>> drivers and so on.   The latest Win10 update deleted my K3s
>>> USB/Soundcard setup also.   However I only needed to plug the
USB
>>> back
>>> into the K3s and all is good.  I did need to rename the K3s in
Win
>Sound
>>> (so I know which codec is for the K3s)  I have never used the
Elecraft
>>> drivers and everything works just fine.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> K3RWN
>>>
>>>
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